On 24 Mar 2012, at 18:44, John Clark wrote:
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 5:47 PM, Quentin Anciaux
<[email protected]> wrote:
> From a 3rd POV, there is no indeterminacy,
From a "3rd POV" there is ALWAYS indeterminacy, we don't know for
sure what the thing we're looking at will do. From a "1 POV" there
is ALWAYS indeterminacy, we don't know for sure what we will do
until we do it. Bruno says there is a vast difference between these
two things and his entire proof hinges on that, and this despite him
conceding that this difference does not involve atoms or
information. If someone can clearly explain exactly what is
remaining that causes this difference without resorting to mystical
BULLSHIT I will concede the argument and publicly thank them for
eliminating a small part of my ignorance.
In the WM experience(s), what causes the first person difference is
the first person differentiation, into living in W and living in M.
Bruno
> you'll (both you) still feel singular,
Yes.
> and the you who was asked before the experience
Is now 2 because HE HAS BEEN DUPLICATED.
> what he expect to feel after the duplication
If he is logical he will expect to feel he is in Moscow and
Washington, if he is not I can not say what he will predict because
there are many ways to be wrong and only one way to be right.
was unable to predict which one of the WM guy it will be, yet each
one is only one.
But each one is you. Your premise is that object X has been exactly
duplicated but then you ask what one and only one SINGULAR event
will happen to it. The question makes no sense.
> You keep asking who is this "you"
Yes.
> it is the usual you, as the one you use in your everyday
The word "you" works fine in the usual everyday world, but when you
bring duplicating chambers into the mix concepts that you never
needed to give a second thought to become vitally important.
John K Clark
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