Re: The limit of all computations

On 20 May 2012, at 18:27, Stephen P. King wrote: On 5/20/2012 6:06 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: In Bruno's theory, the physical world is not computed by an algorithm, the physical world is the limit of all computations going throught your current state... what is computable is your curre

Re: The limit of all computations

On 21 May 2012, at 07:31, meekerdb wrote: On 5/20/2012 8:15 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: Yes. Are those entities that exist from the beginning (which is what ontological primitivity implies...) or are they aspects of the unfolding reality? I think they are concepts we made up. B

Re: The limit of all computations

On 20 May 2012, at 21:06, meekerdb wrote: On 5/20/2012 9:27 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 5/20/2012 6:06 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: In Bruno's theory, the physical world is not computed by an algorithm, the physical world is the limit of all computations going throught your current sta

Re: The limit of all computations

On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 12:06:05PM -0700, meekerdb wrote: > On 5/20/2012 9:27 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: > > > >4) What is the cardinality of "all computations"? > > Aleph1. > Actually, it is aleph_0. The set of all computations is countable. OTOH, the set of all experiences (under COMP) is unco

Re: The limit of all computations

On 5/21/2012 12:33 AM, Russell Standish wrote: On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 12:06:05PM -0700, meekerdb wrote: On 5/20/2012 9:27 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: 4) What is the cardinality of "all computations"? Aleph1. Actually, it is aleph_0. The set of all computations is countable. OTOH, the set of

Re: The limit of all computations

On 5/21/2012 1:55 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: No it's not a computation, it arises because at every step, computations diverge into new sets of infinite computations, giving rise to the 1p indeterminacy. Quentin Hi Quentin, So could we agree that the idea that the universe is defined/d

Re: The limit of all computations

2012/5/21 Stephen P. King > On 5/21/2012 1:55 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > >> No it's not a computation, it arises because at every step, computations >> diverge into new sets of infinite computations, giving rise to the 1p >> indeterminacy. >> >> Quentin >> >> Hi Quentin, > >So could we ag

Re: The limit of all computations

On 5/21/2012 7:54 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2012/5/21 Stephen P. King > On 5/21/2012 1:55 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: No it's not a computation, it arises because at every step, computations diverge into new sets of infinite computations,

Re: Free will in MWI

On Sun, May 20, 2012 PM Quentin Anciaux wrote: > Free means it is not imposed onto you. It is free because the choice was > made by you. > I have no problem with that and I have no problem with the word "will"; its meaning is clear, people want to do some things and they don't want to do other

Re: The limit of all computations

On 5/20/2012 9:33 PM, Russell Standish wrote: On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 12:06:05PM -0700, meekerdb wrote: On 5/20/2012 9:27 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: 4) What is the cardinality of "all computations"? Aleph1. Actually, it is aleph_0. I see that the set of all programs is countable. The set

Re: Free will in MWI

On May 21, 10:47 am, John Clark wrote: > On Sun, May 20, 2012  PM Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > Free means it is not imposed onto you. It is free because the choice was > > made by you. > > I have no problem with that and I have no problem with the word "will"; its > meaning is clear, people want

Re: The limit of all computations

On 5/21/2012 7:54 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2012/5/21 Stephen P. King > On 5/21/2012 1:55 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: No it's not a computation, it arises because at every step, computations diverge into new sets of infinite computations,

Re: The limit of all computations

2012/5/21 Stephen P. King > On 5/21/2012 7:54 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > 2012/5/21 Stephen P. King > >> On 5/21/2012 1:55 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >>> No it's not a computation, it arises because at every step, computations >>> diverge into new sets of infinite computations, giving

Re: The limit of all computations

On 5/21/2012 12:51 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 21 May 2012, at 07:31, meekerdb wrote: On 5/20/2012 8:15 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: Yes. Are those entities that exist from the beginning (which is what ontological primitivity implies...) or are they aspects of the unfolding reality?

Re: The limit of all computations

On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 07:42:01AM -0400, Stephen P. King wrote: > On 5/21/2012 12:33 AM, Russell Standish wrote: > >On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 12:06:05PM -0700, meekerdb wrote: > >>On 5/20/2012 9:27 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: > >>>4) What is the cardinality of "all computations"? > >>Aleph1. > >> > >

Re: Free will in MWI

On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 4:00 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> In a branching multiverse where all possibilities happen at a decision >> point, some versions of you decide to type the sentence and others do >> not. This could be completely deterministic for the multiverse as a >> whole: x versions of

Re: The limit of all computations

On 5/21/2012 3:49 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2012/5/21 Stephen P. King > On 5/21/2012 7:54 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2012/5/21 Stephen P. King mailto:stephe...@charter.net>> On 5/21/2012 1:55 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: No it's no

Re: The limit of all computations

2012/5/22 Stephen P. King > On 5/21/2012 3:49 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > 2012/5/21 Stephen P. King > >> On 5/21/2012 7:54 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> >> >> 2012/5/21 Stephen P. King >> >>> On 5/21/2012 1:55 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >>> No it's not a computation, it arises

Re: The limit of all computations

On 5/21/2012 10:56 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2012/5/22 Stephen P. King mailto:stephe...@charter.net>> On 5/21/2012 3:49 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2012/5/21 Stephen P. King mailto:stephe...@charter.net>> On 5/21/2012 7:54 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2012/5/21 Ste