Re: If you can't disprove the science, you can always try suing

2014-04-04 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-04-04 1:29 GMT+02:00 LizR lizj...@gmail.com: Climate Deniers Intimidate Journal into Retracting Paper that Finds They Believe Conspiracy Theories Ironically, it looks like they are conspiring to silence any mention of this fact!

RE: If you can't disprove the science, you can always try suing

2014-04-04 Thread Chris de Morsella
-Original Message- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of meekerdb Fortunately, the University of Western Australia was not so timid; so you can read the original paper here:

Re: Max and FPI

2014-04-04 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 03 Apr 2014, at 08:56, LizR wrote: As I understand it, the QM interpretation movement stalled for about 30 years before the MWI came along. My view on this has changed. I tend to think that the Newton/Huygens debate, which was a debate about the nature of light (particle, for Newton;

Re: [foar] Amoeba's Secret now available in paperback

2014-04-04 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 03 Apr 2014, at 16:42, Gabriel Bodeen wrote: FWIW, on a flight this weekend I read a bit of Amoeba's Secret on my kindle while the stranger in the seat next to me was reading Tegmark's book. If plane rides didn't make me fall unconscious almost immediately, that might have been

Re: Climate models

2014-04-04 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 03 Apr 2014, at 17:46, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: They're trying to find that jet that got lost on the Indian Ocean somewhere. But most of the objects the satellites zoom in on are just... trash. Ocean garbage is creating so many false positives, that it impedes finding a missing

Re: Daphne du Maurier was right!

2014-04-04 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 1:24 AM, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.comwrote: On 4 April 2014 15:59, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: I suggest we study and evaluate it for its literal merit, rather than 'what it might mean' thus removing all constructs and myths surrounding it.

Re: Daphne du Maurier was right!

2014-04-04 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 4 April 2014 20:33, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 1:24 AM, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.comwrote: On 4 April 2014 15:59, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: I suggest we study and evaluate it for its literal merit, rather than 'what

Re: Daphne du Maurier was right!

2014-04-04 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 4 April 2014 16:41, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: What is more important? Faith or Honest Faith? How can we honestly believe in God when we think God doesn't know what He created? I think its a disservice to God, to religion and to ourselves when we choose to not to question

Re: Daphne du Maurier was right!

2014-04-04 Thread Samiya Illias
Stathis Papaioannou asks: So are you saying that if a scientific error is pointed out to you in the Bible or the Quran you will accept that they are not the word of God? Honest answer: I don't know. To quote from the last paragraph of General Conclusions from Dr Maurice Bucaille's book: 'In view

Re: Daphne du Maurier was right!

2014-04-04 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-04-04 12:20 GMT+02:00 Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com: Stathis Papaioannou asks: So are you saying that if a scientific error is pointed out to you in the Bible or the Quran you will accept that they are not the word of God? Honest answer: I don't know. To quote from the last

Re: Daphne du Maurier was right!

2014-04-04 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 6:23 AM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-04-04 12:20 GMT+02:00 Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com: Stathis Papaioannou asks: So are you saying that if a scientific error is pointed out to you in the Bible or the Quran you will accept that they are

Re: Daphne du Maurier was right!

2014-04-04 Thread meekerdb
On 4/3/2014 10:47 PM, Samiya Illias wrote: To see what I mean, please read the book by Dr Maurice Bucaille https://ia700504.us.archive.org/18/items/TheBibletheQuranScienceByDr.mauriceBucaille/TheBibletheQuranScienceByDr.mauriceBucaille.pdf Oh, so you didn't mean *literally*; because that

Re: Daphne du Maurier was right!

2014-04-04 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 04 Apr 2014, at 11:44, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 4 April 2014 20:33, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 1:24 AM, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote: On 4 April 2014 15:59, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: I suggest we study

Re: Daphne du Maurier was right!

2014-04-04 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 04 Apr 2014, at 11:44, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 4 April 2014 20:33, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 1:24 AM, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.comwrote: On 4 April

Re: Daphne du Maurier was right!

2014-04-04 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-04-04 19:05 GMT+02:00 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com: On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 04 Apr 2014, at 11:44, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 4 April 2014 20:33, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 1:24

Re: Daphne du Maurier was right!

2014-04-04 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 7:07 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-04-04 19:05 GMT+02:00 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com: On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 04 Apr 2014, at 11:44, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 4 April 2014

Re: Climate models

2014-04-04 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 8:55 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 02 Apr 2014, at 23:03, LizR wrote: On 3 April 2014 05:56, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com wrote: -Original Message- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On

Re: The Shale unconventional oil play is just a bubble (and one that is about to burst) -- reserves have been wildly overstated.

2014-04-04 Thread Stephen Paul King
This article is packed full of falsehoods that a simple bit of research could correct. read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shale As to its main point, all predictions are based on models. Models are never the real thing. Duh! So some expert has a wrong model. Big News! LOL. What is the point

Re: Video of VCR

2014-04-04 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 04 Apr 2014, at 03:40, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, April 3, 2014 2:34:06 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 02 Apr 2014, at 21:34, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, April 2, 2014 1:00:54 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 01 Apr 2014, at 21:55, Craig Weinberg wrote: I

Re: [foar] COMP = no cloning?

2014-04-04 Thread Stephen Paul King
All of those different versions of you have slightly different quantum states, or else they would be exactly this you and not a different version. There is no contradiction. On Monday, March 24, 2014 5:55:47 PM UTC-4, yanniru wrote: According to MWI I am not unique for there are many versions

Re: My model re Comp and Life re the Everything

2014-04-04 Thread Hal Ruhl
Hi Bruno: On Friday, April 4, 2014 12:36:13 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: Hal, Yes, we might be on the same length wave for the ultimate TOE, Thank you but your terming is rather terrible. I will work on it, perhaps needing some help. Today I tend to think of the current

Re: Climate models

2014-04-04 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.comwrote: Solar PV is here today Solar PV has been here for 60 years and THOUSANDS of times more money has been spent developing it than has been spent on LFTR RD, and yet solar PV is still just a rounding error in our total

RE: The Shale unconventional oil play is just a bubble (and one that is about to burst) -- reserves have been wildly overstated.

2014-04-04 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR On 4 April 2014 08:16, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com wrote: This article from Bloomberg delves into some detail on how the unconventional oil sector is actually based on

RE: Climate models

2014-04-04 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 12:57 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Climate models On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com wrote:

Re: The Shale unconventional oil play is just a bubble (and one that is about to burst) -- reserves have been wildly overstated.

2014-04-04 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hear, Hear! Sadly, we (collectively speaking) keep buying the smooth talk and shiny baubles they promise and keep electing them. To oppose it we must think for ourselves. Form opinions from facts we collect and examine them to our best ability and collaborate with each other. It's hard work, very

Re: Climate models

2014-04-04 Thread spudboy100
By solar and wind its isn't. -Original Message- From: LizR lizj...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, Apr 2, 2014 8:13 pm Subject: Re: Climate models On 3 April 2014 12:17, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: We still have to possess the technology in

My scepticism took a small knock today

2014-04-04 Thread LizR
Last night just before I woke up I had a dream about a guy coming to the door selling religion, so to speak - the details were a bit weird, as in most dreams, but that was the gist of it - I sent him away, saying no thanks we don't indulge or words to that effect. I've never had a dream of that

Re: Climate models

2014-04-04 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hey Chris, About a uranium shortage. Come scrape up a few yards of dirt near where I live and you'lll find lots and lots of uranium. We have a huge problem with the radon gas that the stuff generates... What have you been reading? On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 3:56 PM, John Clark

RE: Climate models

2014-04-04 Thread Chris de Morsella
Hey Stephen - try refining it from your dirt. Your garden dirt is not ore quality; it is not a feasible supply. Do you believe the minuscule quantities of uranium in your garden's dirt should be counted as part of global uranium reserves? Why exactly? By your count the garden dirt argument -

RE: [foar] Amoeba's Secret now available in paperback

2014-04-04 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gabriel Bodeen Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 7:43 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [foar] Amoeba's Secret now available in paperback FWIW, on a flight this weekend I read a

RE: Climate models

2014-04-04 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Telmo Menezes On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 8:55 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 02 Apr 2014, at 23:03, LizR wrote: On 3 April 2014 05:56, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com

Re: Climate models

2014-04-04 Thread Stephen Paul King
Here is the thing. You are complete discounting future technological advancements in your analysis. 50 years ago, no one considered shale to be a source ore for hydrocarbons. Soon enough we will be syphoning hydrogen off Jupiter. Why the panic over resources? Lean forward man! Think forward. No

RE: Climate models

2014-04-04 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Paul King Here is the thing. You are complete discounting future technological advancements in your analysis. 50 years ago, no one considered shale to be a source ore for hydrocarbons.

Re: Climate models

2014-04-04 Thread Stephen Paul King
read this paper please and ponder its implications if applied universally. http://ajae.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2014/02/24/ajae.aau001.abstract On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 9:25 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.comwrote: *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:

Re: Climate models

2014-04-04 Thread Stephen Paul King
We live in a world ruled by power; this is the fundamental problem - IMO. No, no problem is without a solution. Find the solution that keeps the current equilibria in place. Our world is a chaotic and complex system. One does not harness such a beast. One learns to ride it. On Fri, Apr 4, 2014

Re: My scepticism took a small knock today

2014-04-04 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, April 4, 2014 6:00:09 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: Last night just before I woke up I had a dream about a guy coming to the door selling religion, so to speak - the details were a bit weird, as in most dreams, but that was the gist of it - I sent him away, saying no thanks we don't

Re: Climate models

2014-04-04 Thread Stephen Paul King
are betting the destiny of planet earth that these hypothetical future technologies will become realized in time for the human race to cheat destiny again and again Say again? What models are you trusting? On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 9:25 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.comwrote:

Re: Climate models

2014-04-04 Thread meekerdb
Here's the Mountain Pass rare earth mine in Southern California: 35.48°N 115.53°W It produced cerium, lanthanium neodymium, and europium for rare earth magnets until the Chinese undercut the market. It has huge piles of tailings rich in thorium and radium which are at present just a waste

RE: Climate models

2014-04-04 Thread Chris de Morsella
Oh come on now - a climate change denier are you? For real? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Paul King Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 7:07 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Climate models read this paper

RE: Climate models

2014-04-04 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Paul King Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 7:09 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Climate models We live in a world ruled by power; this is the fundamental problem - IMO.

RE: Climate models

2014-04-04 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Paul King are betting the destiny of planet earth that these hypothetical future technologies will become realized in time for the human race to cheat destiny again and again Say

Re: Climate models

2014-04-04 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Brent, Good question. A leading question in response. How is it that we (generically speaking) are leaving such designs and building up to inefficient systems to perform? On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 10:15 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: Here's the Mountain Pass rare earth mine in

RE: Climate models

2014-04-04 Thread Chris de Morsella
Br From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of meekerdb Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 7:15 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Climate models Here's the Mountain Pass rare earth mine in Southern California: 35.48°N 115.53°W

Re: Climate models

2014-04-04 Thread Stephen Paul King
ones that I built for myself. The data is hard to get... On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 11:09 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.comwrote: *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto: everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Paul King are betting the destiny of

RE: My scepticism took a small knock today

2014-04-04 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Craig Weinberg Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 7:11 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: My scepticism took a small knock today On Friday, April 4, 2014 6:00:09 PM UTC-4, Liz R

RE: Climate models

2014-04-04 Thread Chris de Morsella
By solar and wind its isn't. Current global installed solar PV capacity is greater than 150 GW; in two years or so this is expected to surpass 300GW of installed capacity. The installed capacity base for Solar PV has been doubling every two years or so for quite some time now and so far

Re: Climate models

2014-04-04 Thread Stephen Paul King
This data is interesting: http://www.indeed.com/salary/Green-Growth-Ventures-LLC.html On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 11:09 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.comwrote: *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto: everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Paul King are

Re: Climate models

2014-04-04 Thread Stephen Paul King
back trace from: Merrill Lynch Information Technology Intranet future trading http://www.ite.poly.edu/presentations/MLcase.pdf page 11. Merrill Lynch is the most active trading firm on the New York Stock Exchange, with a 1995 market share of 11.7%. I rest my case. On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 11:09

Re: My scepticism took a small knock today

2014-04-04 Thread LizR
On 5 April 2014 15:10, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, April 4, 2014 6:00:09 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: Last night just before I woke up I had a dream about a guy coming to the door selling religion, so to speak - the details were a bit weird, as in most dreams, but that

Re: Daphne du Maurier was right!

2014-04-04 Thread LizR
On 5 April 2014 06:14, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 7:07 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.comwrote: 2014-04-04 19:05 GMT+02:00 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com: On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: the existence