Re: The Great Acceleration

2015-01-17 Thread Samiya Illias
On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 8:46 AM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Quite the collection of hockey sticks! http://www.slideshare.net/fullscreen/IGBPSecretariat/great-acceleration-2015/1 Humanity's tendency to self-destruct?!!! The

Re: Isn't this group supposed to be about trying to figure out how the universe works and not so much about religion and insults?

2015-01-17 Thread Jason Resch
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 7:46 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/15/2015 8:31 PM, Kim Jones wrote: On 16 Jan 2015, at 5:18 am, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/15/2015 3:04 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: It is the reason why I stopped, a long time ago, to qualify myself

Re: Isn't this group supposed to be about trying to figure out how the universe works and not so much about religion and insults?

2015-01-17 Thread Jason Resch
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 3:32 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Clearly one cannot disbelieve in God without knowing, or at least having an idea of, what God is. I would go further and say one cannot disbelieve in God without knowing, or at least having an idea of what reality is, for unless

Re: Digest for everything-list@googlegroups.com - 4 updates in 1 topic

2015-01-17 Thread Jason Resch
Brent, I think this message might have slipped past you in your inbox, but I'm curious what your answers are. Jason On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 8:35 PM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 6:01 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: How would you define

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-17 Thread Jason Resch
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 1:18 AM, 'Roger' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: On Wednesday, January 14, 2015 at 5:28:03 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Jan 2015, at 08:05, 'Roger' via Everything List wrote: I have to admit I have a hard time going with the

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-17 Thread Jason Resch
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 2:43 AM, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: If you never change your mind - why have one? Excellent saying! I might have to quote you on it. :-) Jason -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-17 Thread Samiya Illias
http://m.deseretnews.com/ Michael Gerson: Modern science: Design of the divine? By Michael Gerson, Washington Post Published: Fri, Jan. 16 12:43 a.m. WASHINGTON — The biographer Eric Metaxas recently made waves by arguing that modern science increasingly makes the case for God. Writing in The

Re: Democracy

2015-01-17 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 10:23 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: -- *From:* spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Friday, January 16,

The Weakness of Panpsychism?

2015-01-17 Thread David Nyman
I've been reading some of the responses to the Edge 2015 question What do you think about machines that think?: http://edge.org/contributors/q2015 Lee Smolin's contribution contains the following statement: So let us hypothesize that qualia are internal properties of some brain processes. When

RE: The Great Acceleration

2015-01-17 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Samiya Illias Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 1:49 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Great Acceleration On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 8:46 AM, 'Chris de Morsella' via

Re: Democracy

2015-01-17 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
I am sure, not that your summaries listed are not accurate, but they pale into comparison, from a religious-ideology pov, with the followers of sharia. Even on a per capita basis, I will argue that these guys are now the heavy hitters for intolerance and violence. And, tomorrow it may be the

Re: Isn't this group supposed to be about trying to figure out how the universe works and not so much about religion and insults?

2015-01-17 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
The only thing about Larry Krauss that I like is his sketching out a conjecture for faster than light travel. -Original Message- From: 'Roger' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, Jan 17, 2015 12:17 am

Re: Isn't this group supposed to be about trying to figure out how the universe works and not so much about religion and insults?

2015-01-17 Thread meekerdb
On 1/17/2015 2:02 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 7:46 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/15/2015 8:31 PM, Kim Jones wrote: On 16 Jan 2015, at 5:18 am, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote:

RE: Isn't this group supposed to be about trying to figure out how the universe works and not so much about religion and insults?

2015-01-17 Thread John Ross
Roger, If you focus a speed-of-light Coulomb force wave to a point, you produce a point particle that has no property except charge. If you have a charge, you have a source of Coulomb force. This is the tronnie. Its charge is either plus or minus e. Three tronnies can combine to make a

Re: Isn't this group supposed to be about trying to figure out how the universe works and not so much about religion and insults?

2015-01-17 Thread meekerdb
On 1/17/2015 2:12 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 3:32 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com mailto:lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Clearly one cannot disbelieve in God without knowing, or at least having an idea of, what God is. I would go further and say one cannot disbelieve in

Re: Isn't this group supposed to be about trying to figure out how the universe works and not so much about religion and insults?

2015-01-17 Thread meekerdb
On 1/17/2015 3:08 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 2:29 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/17/2015 2:12 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 3:32 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com mailto:lizj...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-17 Thread meekerdb
On 1/17/2015 2:29 AM, Jason Resch wrote: Do you believe the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of Pi has a certain definite value, which is either 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, or 9? If so, would you still believe this if you knew that this number is too difficult to ever compute by anyone in this

Fwd: What over 170 people think about machines that think

2015-01-17 Thread meekerdb
Some interesting short essays. http://edge.org/contributors/q2015 Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-17 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 11:59 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: What is behind the idea of the sun, what exactly is the sun? I don't know but I do know that the sun is not the heat on my face nor is it a image on my retina nor is it a idea in my mind, it is something more fundamental

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-17 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 8:45 PM, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: I guess all those statues that the Egyptians and Babylonians carved were of the set of Godel numbers that were sentences of arithmetic. It must be tricky making a statue of Godel numbers, but somehow they pulled it off

RE: Democracy

2015-01-17 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Telmo Menezes Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 6:39 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Democracy On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 10:23 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything

RE: Democracy

2015-01-17 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] I am sure, not that your summaries listed are not accurate, but they pale into comparison, from a religious-ideology pov, with the followers of sharia. How many Afghanis, Iraqis, Syrians, Libyans,

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-17 Thread Jason Resch
On Saturday, January 17, 2015, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/17/2015 2:29 AM, Jason Resch wrote: Do you believe the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of Pi has a certain definite value, which is either 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, or 9? If so, would you still believe this if you knew

Re: Isn't this group supposed to be about trying to figure out how the universe works and not so much about religion and insults?

2015-01-17 Thread Jason Resch
On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 2:29 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/17/2015 2:12 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 3:32 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Clearly one cannot disbelieve in God without knowing, or at least having an idea of, what God is. I would go

Re: Isn't this group supposed to be about trying to figure out how the universe works and not so much about religion and insults?

2015-01-17 Thread meekerdb
On 1/17/2015 2:35 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 2:12 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/17/2015 2:02 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 7:46 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net

RE: What over 170 people think about machines that think

2015-01-17 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
-Original Message- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of meekerdb Some interesting short essays. Thanks, they do seem interesting. Also topical, on this subject: AI experts around the globe are signing an open letter issued

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-17 Thread Jason Resch
On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 3:47 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/17/2015 12:38 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Saturday, January 17, 2015, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/17/2015 2:29 AM, Jason Resch wrote: Do you believe the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of Pi has a

Re: The Weakness of Panpsychism?

2015-01-17 Thread David Nyman
I'm assuming it because he states it explicitly. He specifically distinguishes what can be observed from the outside from additional internal properties. He specifically brackets qualia with the extreme case of the latter as paradigmatic examples of the unobservable. I suggest you read the whole

Re: Isn't this group supposed to be about trying to figure out how the universe works and not so much about religion and insults?

2015-01-17 Thread Jason Resch
On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 2:12 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/17/2015 2:02 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 7:46 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/15/2015 8:31 PM, Kim Jones wrote: On 16 Jan 2015, at 5:18 am, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net

Re: The Weakness of Panpsychism?

2015-01-17 Thread meekerdb
On 1/17/2015 2:36 PM, David Nyman wrote: I'm assuming it because he states it explicitly. He specifically distinguishes what can be observed from the outside from additional internal properties. He specifically brackets qualia with the extreme case of the latter as paradigmatic examples of

Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?

2015-01-17 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 10:33 PM, PGC multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: A fair question. I'm not so sure about that. The question presupposes ironically that violence is a justified response to insult. I observe a empirical fact, Muslims behave like homicidal imbeciles when their religion is

Re: The Weakness of Panpsychism?

2015-01-17 Thread meekerdb
On 1/17/2015 9:25 AM, David Nyman wrote: I've been reading some of the responses to the Edge 2015 question What do you think about machines that think?: http://edge.org/contributors/q2015 Lee Smolin's contribution contains the following statement: So let us hypothesize that qualia are

Re: What over 170 people think about machines that think

2015-01-17 Thread meekerdb
There's a whole organization, the Machine Intelligence Research Insitute (Google MIRI) which seems to do little except think about how to ensure that a superhuman AI is friendly - which I'm pretty sure is provably impossible. Brent On 1/17/2015 2:20 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-17 Thread meekerdb
On 1/17/2015 12:38 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Saturday, January 17, 2015, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/17/2015 2:29 AM, Jason Resch wrote: Do you believe the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of Pi has a certain definite value, which is either 0, 1,

Re: Isn't this group supposed to be about trying to figure out how the universe works and not so much about religion and insults?

2015-01-17 Thread meekerdb
On 1/17/2015 4:08 PM, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 2:13 AM, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au mailto:kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: In Russell's Theory of Nothing he says that the informational content of the universe was entirely present at whatever juncture we call the

Re: Isn't this group supposed to be about trying to figure out how the universe works and not so much about religion and insults?

2015-01-17 Thread Bruce Kellett
meekerdb wrote: On 1/17/2015 4:08 PM, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 2:13 AM, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au mailto:kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: In Russell's Theory of Nothing he says that the informational content of the universe was entirely present at whatever

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-17 Thread 'Roger' via Everything List
Roger, I have a question for you. Do you believe the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of Pi has a certain definite value, which is either 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, or 9? If so, would you still believe this if you knew that this number is too difficult to ever compute by anyone in this

Re: Isn't this group supposed to be about trying to figure out how the universe works and not so much about religion and insults?

2015-01-17 Thread meekerdb
On 1/17/2015 9:03 PM, Jason Resch wrote: Which is fine if you want to dissemble. Why do you take the Abrahamic God to be the canonical definition? Not canonical. There's no one with the authority to issue canon law on the meaning of English. There are 7 billion people on this Earth

RE: What over 170 people think about machines that think

2015-01-17 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
-Original Message- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of meekerdb Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 3:28 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: What over 170 people think about machines that think There's a whole

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-17 Thread Jason Resch
On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 1:12 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/17/2015 9:27 PM, Jason Resch wrote: Do you believe that *one and only one* of the following statements is true? the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of pi is 0 the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of pi is 1 the

Re: Isn't this group supposed to be about trying to figure out how the universe works and not so much about religion and insults?

2015-01-17 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 2:13 AM, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: In Russell's Theory of Nothing he says that the informational content of the universe was entirely present at whatever juncture we call the BB. And early in Big Bang when the cosmic fireball was at the Planck

Re: Isn't this group supposed to be about trying to figure out how the universe works and not so much about religion and insults?

2015-01-17 Thread Jason Resch
On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 5:56 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/17/2015 3:08 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 2:29 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/17/2015 2:12 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 3:32 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-17 Thread 'Roger' via Everything List
On Sunday, January 18, 2015 at 12:27:06 AM UTC-5, Jason wrote: On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 11:11 PM, 'Roger' via Everything List everyth...@googlegroups.com javascript: wrote: Roger, I have a question for you. Do you believe the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of Pi has a certain

Re: Isn't this group supposed to be about trying to figure out how the universe works and not so much about religion and insults?

2015-01-17 Thread 'Roger' via Everything List
On Saturday, January 17, 2015 at 1:12:20 PM UTC-5, spudb...@aol.com wrote: The only thing about Larry Krauss that I like is his sketching out a conjecture for faster than light travel. Agreed. Krauss kind of irritates me, too. His book title A universe from nothing: Why there is

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-17 Thread Jason Resch
On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 11:48 PM, 'Roger' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: On Sunday, January 18, 2015 at 12:27:06 AM UTC-5, Jason wrote: On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 11:11 PM, 'Roger' via Everything List everyth...@googlegroups.com wrote: Roger, I have a

Re: The Weakness of Panpsychism?

2015-01-17 Thread David Nyman
On 17 January 2015 at 23:39, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: I agree, with such a constraining definition of internal it would seem that no interaction with the world or other people is possible. It would only be consistent with a brain in a vat, dreaming the world. I don't see what

Re: Isn't this group supposed to be about trying to figure out how the universe works and not so much about religion and insults?

2015-01-17 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 7:50 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: early in Big Bang when the cosmic fireball was at the Planck Temperature of 1.41*10^32 degrees Kelvin how does Russell propose the information was encoded? High temperature means there are lots of states energetically

RE: Free Speech is not Free unless it is allowed for every point of view

2015-01-17 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
It is sad to see, for France has such a heritage, but it seems there is diminishing actual functioning Free Speech rights in France; when scores of people are getting arrested and thrown into jail for unpopular free speech, which in France has now become the new Orwellian thought crime of

Re: Isn't this group supposed to be about trying to figure out how the universe works and not so much about religion and insults?

2015-01-17 Thread Jason Resch
On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 5:32 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/17/2015 2:35 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 2:12 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/17/2015 2:02 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 7:46 PM, meekerdb

Re: Isn't this group supposed to be about trying to figure out how the universe works and not so much about religion and insults?

2015-01-17 Thread meekerdb
On 1/17/2015 9:17 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 5:56 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/17/2015 3:08 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 2:29 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-17 Thread meekerdb
On 1/17/2015 9:27 PM, Jason Resch wrote: Do you believe that *one and only one* of the following statements is true? the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of pi is 0 the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of pi is 1 the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of pi is 2 the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal