Re: BLOBS [was: Allah: the One and Only Deity]

> On 2 Jun 2019, at 17:02, John Clark wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 8:18 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > > The fact that you compare Plotinus ir Proclus to a Caveman shows that you > > have not even try to read them > > Well of course I haven't read them! Unless

Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity

> On 2 Jun 2019, at 20:40, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 6/2/2019 1:02 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> To make this into a theory, you need to explain where that virtuous circle >> comes from. With mechanism, you have the mathematical tools to address the >> “circle”

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

> On 3 Jun 2019, at 09:55, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Monday, June 3, 2019 at 2:35:27 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > Computer science is concerned a lot with non computable notions. 99,999 % > of the arithmetical is highly not computable, but plays a key role in the >

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

> On 2 Jun 2019, at 17:52, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List > wrote: > > How is he coherent with you if he is aware of non-computable phenomenon, > while you are oblivious ? Pensose is coherent because Mechanism and Materialism are inconsistent when taken together. So a Mechanist must

Re: Consciousness in 5 grams or less

> On 2 Jun 2019, at 20:45, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 6/2/2019 2:53 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> Assuming there is an ontological world, which is precisely what I have never >> found any evidence for. > > You refer to ontological existence and

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

You just said in another post that mechanism = computationalism. Now you say that mechanism = partially computationalism. Can you make up your mind ? On Monday, 3 June 2019 10:35:27 UTC+3, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > If we assume mechanism, we assume to be at least Turing Universal, and the >

Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity

> On 3 Jun 2019, at 04:59, Samiya Illias wrote: > > > > On 02-Jun-2019, at 11:38 PM, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> > wrote: > >>> Here the materialist often fails, as they talk like if they knew primitive >>> matter exists, >> >> A straw

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On Monday, June 3, 2019 at 2:35:27 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > Computer science is concerned a lot with non computable notions. > 99,999 % of the arithmetical is highly not computable, but plays a key > role in the machine’s self”s phenomenology. Löbian machine (i.e. universal >

Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity

> On 2 Jun 2019, at 20:38, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 6/2/2019 12:52 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> On 1 Jun 2019, at 17:54, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 6/1/2019 12:30 AM, Bruno

Re: BLOBS [was: Allah: the One and Only Deity]

On Sunday, June 2, 2019 at 7:17:59 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > > It is only with the advent of Quantum Mechanics that physicists begin to > grasp the problem of relating first person description and third person > theory. Ot out Everett’s wording, the importance of the difference

Re: Trump Supporters?

> On 3 Jun 2019, at 04:37, PGC wrote: > > > > On Monday, June 3, 2019 at 2:14:29 AM UTC+2, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > About every century there is a tendency for more sociopathic disordered or > malignant narcissists, such as t'Rump *-- see below for more, to assume > power. Last century

Re: BLOBS [was: Allah: the One and Only Deity]

> On 3 Jun 2019, at 03:27, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > As a minor of mine in college was philosophy I have read some of these > ancient texts. I have even read Aristotle's Physics, which is all wrong > really. So of what use are these texts, or really philosophy in general? It > is

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

> On 3 Jun 2019, at 11:47, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List > wrote: > > You just said in another post that mechanism = computationalism. Yes, I use computationalism as a synonym of “Indexical Digital Mechanism”, or simply Mechanism to be short. > Now you say that mechanism = partially

Re: Trump Supporters?

Like *Richard Rorty*, I'm just a (cultured, intellectual) *bourgeoisie liberal*. "While the Left’s back was turned, the bourgeoisification of the white proletariat which began in WWII and continued up through the Vietnam War has been halted, and the process has gone into reverse. America is

Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity

On Monday, June 3, 2019 at 6:01:05 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 3 Jun 2019, at 04:59, Samiya Illias > > wrote: > > > > On 02-Jun-2019, at 11:38 PM, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everyth...@googlegroups.com > wrote: > > Here the materialist often fails, as they talk like if

Re: BLOBS [was: Allah: the One and Only Deity]

On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 5:18 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: > *you have espoused the theology of Aristotle, which is based on the act > of faith* > Congratulations, you have now repeated that exact same schoolyard insult (6.02*10^23) *+1* times, you've broken through the mole barrier! > >

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

How do you explain OBE and NDE ? On Monday, 3 June 2019 14:38:33 UTC+3, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > I have defined mechanism by the idea that we can survive with a digital > (universal) machine at the place of the brain > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

Also, have a look at my paper "The Problem of the Self" and tell me how do you solve those thought experiments. https://philpeople.org/profiles/cosmin-visan On Monday, 3 June 2019 14:38:33 UTC+3, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > I have defined mechanism by the idea that we can survive with a digital

Re: Trump Supporters?

On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 4:18 PM howardmarks wrote: > I think the labels "fascist" or "liberal" of A. and B. are distortions. > I too am very confused about this entire left-wing right-wing business, just a few years ago right wingers thought the CIA and FBI were the good guys and the Kremlin the

Re: Trump Supporters?

On Monday, June 3, 2019 at 8:13:44 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 4:18 PM howardmarks > wrote: > > > I think the labels "fascist" or "liberal" of A. and B. are distortions. >> > > I too am very confused about this entire left-wing right-wing business, > just a few years

Re: Trump Supporters?

On Monday, June 3, 2019 at 8:13:44 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 4:18 PM howardmarks > wrote: > > > I think the labels "fascist" or "liberal" of A. and B. are distortions. >> > > I too am very confused about this entire left-wing right-wing business, > just a few years

Re: Trump Supporters?

On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 9:37 AM Philip Thrift wrote: *> Name a single progressive law passed when there was a Republican > president and Republican House and Senate since 1932.* > To be honest at this point I don't think the distinction between progressive and non-progressive is very important.

Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity

Look, Sam, you're not going to succeed at Dawa here, unless you get into the weeds, via physics. So, thus, you have got to be prepared to peek over Allah's shoulder and answer the biggest questions of all, not the Why questions, but the How, the mechanics of How Mister Allah does his things,

Re: Trump Supporters?

Yes indeed, but it is still rule by rich Rogues whether the Koch's or Georgy Soros. Banks were declared too big to fail, under Bush 43, and happy Obama continued their funding, if you remember? There are hardly any, billionaire good guys, which is why the globalist crap has been pushed by both

Re: Trump Supporters?

On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 12:33 PM Lawrence Crowell < goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> wrote: > The equivalency between the two parties is often drawn with the fact they > both take corporate campaign donations. > I don't mind that so much, governments have caused vastly more misery in the world

Re: Trump Supporters?

So, you don't feel that the democrats are funded by billionaires as well and do the billionaires bidding?Do you think that democrats are the party of the 'little guy," or the US middle class?You do know that the money flows in from the uber rich and this, then, is a Plutocracy? Or do you feel

Re: Trump Supporters?

On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 6:10 PM spudboy100 via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: So, you don't feel that the democrats are funded by billionaires as well > and do the billionaires bidding? > It depends on the billionaire. Warren Buffett and Bill Gates agree with the

Re: Trump Supporters?

It's an attempt to control or coral the rest of us. I look at the Left (soc-comms) whether media or not, as sort of an obsessive-compulsive disorder. Hell, I should know, I used to be one them.   -Original Message- From: Lawrence Crowell To: Everything List Sent: Sun, Jun 2, 2019

Re: Trump Supporters?

Yeah, of course!  Nyet Problemy, comrade!   -Original Message- From: PGC To: Everything List Sent: Sun, Jun 2, 2019 7:29 pm Subject: Re: Trump Supporters? On Sunday, June 2, 2019 at 11:47:24 PM UTC+2, spudb...@aol.com wrote: Darwin bless us all! Lol, not you. He'd say you're

Re: Trump Supporters?

On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 7:32 PM spudboy100 via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: *>Yes indeed, but it is still rule by rich Rogues whether the Koch's or > Georgy Soros. * > Do you think there is a difference between the rich ruling that the rich should pay more taxes to

Re: Trump Supporters?

On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 10:00 PM spudboy100 via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Well, to tell the world that Most Americans do not have insurance > coverage would be one of the democrat lies. > I never said most don't have insurance, but before Obamacare 41 million

Re: Trump Supporters?

Well,  to tell the world that Most Americans do not have insurance coverage would be one of the democrat lies."Health insurance coverage in the United States is provided by several public and private sources. During 2016, the U.S. population overall was approximately 325 million, with 53

Re: Trump Supporters?

I'd go for a cross-state (the Euro's will be confused by this!) wide participation on plans, millions throw in, millions take out. I'd do medicare for all as a temp thing to cross over into eventually. Obamacare was insolvency care and the rates kept going vastly, higher and higher. This is why

Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity

Nobody succeeds at Dawah except as Allah wills. I'm not trying to do Dawah, just trying to keep my duty. This is how I understand it: The Quran I see a lot of speculative discussions on this list where even the basic assumptions are unknown.