Re: MWI and Born's rule / Bruce

On Monday, February 17, 2020 at 11:28:14 PM UTC-7, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Monday, February 17, 2020 at 6:21:47 AM UTC-7, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 16 Feb 2020, at 17:54, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, February 16, 2020 at 5:49:38 AM UTC-7, Philip Thrift wrote: >>> >>>

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

On Monday, February 17, 2020 at 9:27:42 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > Many worlds are for people who loathe uncertainty and long for > determinism. But for theories with collapse there is a problem of > explicating the collapse as a physical process (not just a mathematical > projector). I'm

Re: MWI and Born's rule / Bruce

On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 12:38:16 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Sunday, February 16, 2020 at 5:49:38 AM UTC-7, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> > > It's *your own "interpretation"*, not MWI. Publish it and call it >> something else. >> >> @philipthrift >> > >

Re: Quantum computing, entanglement, and theorem provers

The preprint at 165 pages is a bit much to tackle right away. This does though indicate that quantum computing can work a subset of recursively enumerable languages LC On Monday, February 17, 2020 at 1:44:55 PM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: > > Quantum computing, entanglement, and theorem

Re: MWI and Born's rule / Bruce

Le mar. 18 févr. 2020 à 22:15, Alan Grayson a écrit : > > > On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 1:17:59 PM UTC-7, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> >> >> Le mar. 18 févr. 2020 à 16:43, Alan Grayson a >> écrit : >> >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 6:59:11 AM UTC-7, Bruno Marchal wrote:

Re: MWI and Born's rule / Bruce

On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 2:22:46 PM UTC-7, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > Le mar. 18 févr. 2020 à 22:15, Alan Grayson > a écrit : > >> >> >> On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 1:17:59 PM UTC-7, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Le mar. 18 févr. 2020 à 16:43, Alan Grayson a >>>

Re: MWI and Born's rule / Bruce

Le mar. 18 févr. 2020 à 16:43, Alan Grayson a écrit : > > > On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 6:59:11 AM UTC-7, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 18 Feb 2020, at 07:28, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, February 17, 2020 at 6:21:47 AM UTC-7, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 16 Feb

Re: MWI and Born's rule / Bruce

On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 1:17:59 PM UTC-7, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > Le mar. 18 févr. 2020 à 16:43, Alan Grayson > a écrit : > >> >> >> On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 6:59:11 AM UTC-7, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 18 Feb 2020, at 07:28, Alan Grayson wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>

Re: Quantum computing, entanglement, and theorem provers

> On 18 Feb 2020, at 11:55, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > The preprint at 165 pages is a bit much to tackle right away. This does > though indicate that quantum computing can work a subset of recursively > enumerable languages > > LC > > On Monday, February 17, 2020 at 1:44:55 PM UTC-6,

Re: Quantum computing, entanglement, and theorem provers

> On 18 Feb 2020, at 12:56, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > Purely theoretically, not surprising that quantum computing - computing with > qubits ( geometry of qubits: > http://home.lu.lv/~sd20008/papers/essays/Geometry%20[paper].pdf >

Re: Quantum computing, entanglement, and theorem provers

Purely theoretically, not surprising that quantum computing - computing with qubits ( geometry of qubits: http://home.lu.lv/~sd20008/papers/essays/Geometry%20[paper].pdf ) - should be RE-language capable. But of course theory may not end up in reality - of actually making a quantum computer

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 17 Feb 2020, at 22:50, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 1:15 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > On 16 Feb 2020, at 23:17, Bruce Kellett > wrote: > >> They clearly can't all be right, so either there is no actual

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 18 Feb 2020, at 02:37, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 11:37 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> > wrote: > On 2/17/2020 4:09 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 9:46 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>

Re: MWI and Born's rule / Bruce

On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 2:54:09 PM UTC-7, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 2:22:46 PM UTC-7, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> >> >> Le mar. 18 févr. 2020 à 22:15, Alan Grayson a >> écrit : >> >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 1:17:59 PM UTC-7,

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 12:05 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 18 Feb 2020, at 02:37, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > > And if the probabilities are to be objective > > > They have to be at least first person plural. > 'Objective', as I use the word here, means 'interpersonally agreed'. In your

Re: MWI and Born's rule / Bruce

On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 3:07:07 PM UTC-7, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > Le mar. 18 févr. 2020 à 22:54, Alan Grayson > a écrit : > >> >> >> On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 2:22:46 PM UTC-7, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Le mar. 18 févr. 2020 à 22:15, Alan Grayson a >>>

Re: Quantum computing, entanglement, and theorem provers

On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 7:19:58 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 18 Feb 2020, at 11:55, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > The preprint at 165 pages is a bit much to tackle right away. This does > though indicate that quantum computing can work a subset of recursively > enumerable

Re: MWI and Born's rule / Bruce

Le mar. 18 févr. 2020 à 23:36, Alan Grayson a écrit : > > > On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 3:07:07 PM UTC-7, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> >> >> Le mar. 18 févr. 2020 à 22:54, Alan Grayson a >> écrit : >> >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 2:22:46 PM UTC-7, Quentin Anciaux wrote:

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 11:41 PM Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 17 Feb 2020, at 22:50, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > > On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 1:15 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 16 Feb 2020, at 23:17, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> >> They clearly can't all be right, so either there is no actual probability

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

On 2/18/2020 5:05 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: It is simply a fact that all computational (and thus all conscious state, with mechanism) are executed by an infinity of universal machine/number in arithmetic That's about as much a fact as "Jehovah did it." Brent -- You received this message

Re: MWI and Born's rule / Bruce

Le mar. 18 févr. 2020 à 22:54, Alan Grayson a écrit : > > > On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 2:22:46 PM UTC-7, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> >> >> Le mar. 18 févr. 2020 à 22:15, Alan Grayson a >> écrit : >> >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 1:17:59 PM UTC-7, Quentin Anciaux wrote:

Re: MWI and Born's rule / Bruce

On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 4:13:03 PM UTC-7, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > Le mar. 18 févr. 2020 à 23:36, Alan Grayson > a écrit : > >> >> >> On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 3:07:07 PM UTC-7, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Le mar. 18 févr. 2020 à 22:54, Alan Grayson a >>>

Re: MWI and Born's rule / Bruce

Le mer. 19 févr. 2020 à 01:24, Alan Grayson a écrit : > > > On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 4:13:03 PM UTC-7, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> >> >> Le mar. 18 févr. 2020 à 23:36, Alan Grayson a >> écrit : >> >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 3:07:07 PM UTC-7, Quentin Anciaux wrote:

Re: MWI and Born's rule / Bruce

On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 11:25:59 PM UTC-7, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > Le mer. 19 févr. 2020 à 01:24, Alan Grayson > a écrit : > >> >> >> On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 4:13:03 PM UTC-7, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Le mar. 18 févr. 2020 à 23:36, Alan Grayson a >>>

Re: MWI and Born's rule / Bruce

Le mer. 19 févr. 2020 à 07:36, Alan Grayson a écrit : > > > On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 11:25:59 PM UTC-7, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> >> >> Le mer. 19 févr. 2020 à 01:24, Alan Grayson a >> écrit : >> >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 4:13:03 PM UTC-7, Quentin Anciaux wrote:

Re: MWI and Born's rule / Bruce

Le mer. 19 févr. 2020 à 08:03, Quentin Anciaux a écrit : > > > Le mer. 19 févr. 2020 à 07:36, Alan Grayson a > écrit : > >> >> >> On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 11:25:59 PM UTC-7, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Le mer. 19 févr. 2020 à 01:24, Alan Grayson a >>> écrit : >>>

Re: MWI and Born's rule / Bruce

Le mer. 19 févr. 2020 à 08:30, Alan Grayson a écrit : > > > On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 12:10:54 AM UTC-7, Quentin Anciaux > wrote: >> >> >> >> Le mer. 19 févr. 2020 à 08:03, Quentin Anciaux a >> écrit : >> >>> >>> >>> Le mer. 19 févr. 2020 à 07:36, Alan Grayson a >>> écrit : >>>

Re: MWI and Born's rule / Bruce

On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 12:54:21 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > *What is being computed? What, or who wrote the program? Or is there no > program? If no program, your claim makes no sense in being an analogy with > computers we have. AG * > Matter is

Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

https://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/03/03/was-wittgenstein-right/ *Was Wittgenstein Right?* BY PAUL HORWICH MARCH 3, 2013 A reminder of philosophy’s embarrassing failure, after over 2000 years, to settle any of its central issues. The singular achievement of the controversial early

Re: MWI and Born's rule / Bruce

On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 11:36:40 PM UTC-7, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 11:25:59 PM UTC-7, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> >> >> Le mer. 19 févr. 2020 à 01:24, Alan Grayson a >> écrit : >> >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 4:13:03 PM UTC-7,

Re: MWI and Born's rule / Bruce

On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 12:10:54 AM UTC-7, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > Le mer. 19 févr. 2020 à 08:03, Quentin Anciaux > a écrit : > >> >> >> Le mer. 19 févr. 2020 à 07:36, Alan Grayson > > a écrit : >> >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 11:25:59 PM UTC-7, Quentin Anciaux

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 18 Feb 2020, at 01:37, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 2/17/2020 4:09 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 9:46 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >> mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> >> wrote: >> On 2/17/2020 2:11 AM, Bruce Kellett

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 9 Feb 2020, at 00:21, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > > On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 at 09:13, Bruce Kellett > wrote: > On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 6:38 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> > wrote: > On 2/7/2020 11:00 PM,

Re: MWI and Born's rule / Bruce

> On 18 Feb 2020, at 07:28, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Monday, February 17, 2020 at 6:21:47 AM UTC-7, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 16 Feb 2020, at 17:54, Alan Grayson > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, February 16, 2020 at 5:49:38 AM UTC-7, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> On Sunday,

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 17 Feb 2020, at 22:13, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 2/16/2020 6:09 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 16 Feb 2020, at 05:50, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2/15/2020 9:09 AM,

Re: MWI and Born's rule / Bruce

On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 6:59:11 AM UTC-7, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 18 Feb 2020, at 07:28, Alan Grayson > > wrote: > > > > On Monday, February 17, 2020 at 6:21:47 AM UTC-7, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 16 Feb 2020, at 17:54, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, February

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 17 Feb 2020, at 23:46, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 2/17/2020 2:11 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 6:04 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >> mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> >> wrote: >> On 2/16/2020 9:48 PM, Bruce Kellett