Re: A proper definition of reality

2013-12-25 Thread Russell Standish
More to the point, the product of the two cycles gives a much greater period than what their predators can track - in effect implementing the linear congruential pseudo random number generation algorithm. Evolution is very smart! Cheers On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 12:43:01PM -0600, Jason Resch wrote

Re: A proper definition of reality

2013-12-25 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 24 Dec 2013, at 18:18, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Edgar L. Owen wrote: Bruno, No. "17 is prime" depends entirely on humans who invented the concept of prime numbers. That's human not Reality math. Really? Discovery channel would disagree with

Re: A proper definition of reality

2013-12-25 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 24 Dec 2013, at 17:42, Edgar L. Owen wrote: Bruno, No. "17 is prime" depends entirely on humans who invented the concept of prime numbers. Show me the dependence. I think you confuse the human math, with math. "17 is prime" is defined without mentioning any humans. It just means tha

Re: A proper definition of reality

2013-12-24 Thread Jason Resch
On Dec 24, 2013, at 1:13 PM, "Edgar L. Owen" wrote: Jason, Factor into exactly two factors? Just divide by 2 assuming it's an even number. Nothing to do with primes! Is that what you meant? Yes. If you meant factor completely I'm not sure reality ever does that. What, in your mind, d

Re: A proper definition of reality

2013-12-24 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Jason, Factor into exactly two factors? Just divide by 2 assuming it's an even number. Nothing to do with primes! Is that what you meant? If you meant factor completely I'm not sure reality ever does that. It's likely something that only human mathematicians do. Can you think of a process in n

Re: A proper definition of reality

2013-12-24 Thread Jason Resch
There is also a 13 year cicada. Is it a coincidence they cycle their mass appearances on large prime numbers? It is thought that this strategy prevents predators from tuning their population cycles to those of the cicadas. Jason On Dec 24, 2013, at 12:19 PM, "Edgar L. Owen" wrote: Cowb

Re: A proper definition of reality

2013-12-24 Thread Jason Resch
On Dec 24, 2013, at 10:42 AM, "Edgar L. Owen" wrote: Bruno, No. "17 is prime" depends entirely on humans who invented the concept of prime numbers. That's human not Reality math. The logico- mathematical system of reality has no such concept as a prime number. Why? Because reality doesn

Re: A proper definition of reality

2013-12-24 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Cowboy, The fact that cicadas tend to emerge at 17 year intervals has nothing at all to do with the fact that 17 is a prime number. It's simply counting. If I find 17 cents in my pocket that's just counting - nothing at all to do with primes or prime theory. That should be obvious... Edgar

Re: A proper definition of reality

2013-12-24 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Edgar L. Owen wrote: > Bruno, > > No. "17 is prime" depends entirely on humans who invented the concept of > prime numbers. That's human not Reality math. > Really? Discovery channel would disagree with you ;-) > The logico-mathematical system of reality has

Re: A proper definition of reality

2013-12-24 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Bruno, No. "17 is prime" depends entirely on humans who invented the concept of prime numbers. That's human not Reality math. The logico-mathematical system of reality has no such concept as a prime number. Why? Because reality doesn't care whether a number is prime or not. The computations of

Re: A proper definition of reality

2013-12-24 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Hi Craig, First thanks for your thoughtful and detailed comments. A lot of meat there and I'll respond to some of them as I think we see the implications of the initial agreement somewhat differently. First, of course there are plenty of differences between the various categories of the very v

Re: A proper definition of reality

2013-12-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 24 Dec 2013, at 16:16, Edgar L. Owen wrote: Bruno, OK. Glad we agree, pretty much, on defining reality. Sorry for thinking otherwise. However you state that "This (reality is entirely computational) is logically impossible. If reality is computational, then I am computational, but i

Re: A proper definition of reality

2013-12-24 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Bruno, OK. Glad we agree, pretty much, on defining reality. Sorry for thinking otherwise. However you state that "This (reality is entirely computational) is logically impossible. If reality is computational, then I am computational, but if I am computational, the UDA shows that reality, whate

Re: A proper definition of reality

2013-12-24 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Richard, Sure it's an assertion, just as your post is, but it has plenty of basis in physics and logic. It's a consistent part of the whole web of my theory which is quite consistent with modern physics, though not always with its current interpretations... Edgar On Tuesday, December 24, 2

Re: A proper definition of reality

2013-12-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
I think that you are on the right track and I both understand and agree with your view of theory and reality all being part of the same ocean - however, there is a difference between an artist painting a picture and a painting of an artist painting a picture of himself. The former can be said t

Re: A proper definition of reality

2013-12-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 24 Dec 2013, at 13:48, Edgar L. Owen wrote: All, Both Roger and Bruno took issue with my definition of reality to include theories about reality. The theories can be real, even when they are wrong. You should quote the assertions said, as I have no idea what makes you think I said t

Re: A proper definition of reality

2013-12-24 Thread Richard Ruquist
Edgar, Even what you wrote above is entirely assertion with no basis in math or physics: "Reality is a single ocean of ontological energy and everything that exists exists as a computationally evolving information form within it. There is nothing outside of it because there is no outside. Therefo

Re: A proper definition of reality

2013-12-24 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Richard, First you are wrong. There is some math in the book. Apparently you read only part of it. As for my book being composed of words, most books are for gosh sakes! And ALL YOUR posts consist ONLY of words with Zero math. Does that make them not credible or meaningful? Of course my book c

Re: A proper definition of reality

2013-12-24 Thread Richard Ruquist
I read Edgar's book and it is entirely words and mostly assertions- no math at all. In my opinion that makes his book not credible Richard On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 7:48 AM, Edgar L. Owen wrote: > All, > > Both Roger and Bruno took issue with my definition of reality to include > theories about r

A proper definition of reality

2013-12-24 Thread Edgar L. Owen
All, Both Roger and Bruno took issue with my definition of reality to include theories about reality. But the proper definition of reality is that reality includes everything that exists and theories of reality most certainly exist. Roger and Bruno seem to be coming from the old dualistic defi