Re: Re: Re: Re: Impossible connections

2012-10-12 Thread Roger Clough
2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-10-12, 07:28:42 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Impossible connections Roger, Brian definitely thinks that sp

Re: Re: Re: Impossible connections

2012-10-12 Thread Richard Ruquist
long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen > > > - Receiving the following content - > From: Richard Ruquist > Receiver: everything-list > Time: 2012-10-11, 11:35:29 > Subject: Re: Re: Impossible connections > > > Roger, > I know Brian Greene person

Re: Re: Re: Impossible connections

2012-10-12 Thread Roger Clough
:35:29 Subject: Re: Re: Impossible connections Roger, I know Brian Greene personally and have read his book, Fabric of the Cosmos. He was a postdoc at my school. He is not a founder of string theory, Max Green is. His view of space is quite conventional except for the extra dimensions o

Re: Impossible connections

2012-10-11 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, October 11, 2012 1:23:48 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: > > Nobody said it was empty. I was just correcting your misconception that > spacetime had to > be flat in the absence of matter. > I'm saying that it is beyond empty. It is only the inferred distance between which objects defin

Re: Impossible connections

2012-10-11 Thread meekerdb
On 10/11/2012 9:41 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote: Brent, According to Einstein it takes massive objects to warp spacetime. No, that's wrong. Mass-energy warps spacetime, but the Einstein equations have non-flat solutions with a zero stress-energy tensor. DeSitter showed this shortly after Eistei

Re: Impossible connections

2012-10-11 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, October 11, 2012 12:41:29 PM UTC-4, yanniru wrote: > > Brent, > According to Einstein it takes massive objects to warp spacetime. > Therefore a warped spacetime cannot be empty. > Sure it can. What is mass? A relation between objects. Relativity shows us nothing if not that. Ear

Re: Impossible connections

2012-10-11 Thread Richard Ruquist
Brent, According to Einstein it takes massive objects to warp spacetime. Therefore a warped spacetime cannot be empty. The apparently flat spacetime that exists is due to dark energy, dark matter and visible matter. Although flat, it is hardly considered to be empty. Richard On Thu, Oct 11, 2012

Re: Impossible connections

2012-10-11 Thread meekerdb
On 10/11/2012 5:17 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote: Spacetime could not be warped if it were a void. Why not? Spacetime is just the set of relations, i.e. intervals, between events. If those intervals satisfy the Minkowski metric the spacetime is flat. If they don't the spacetime is warped. Bre

Re: Re: Impossible connections

2012-10-11 Thread Richard Ruquist
ible > universes, must therefore be wrong.[8] > > Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net > 10/11/2012 > "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen > > > - Receiving the following content - > From: Craig Weinberg > Receiver: every

Re: Re: Impossible connections

2012-10-11 Thread Roger Clough
-list Time: 2012-10-11, 08:11:17 Subject: Re: Impossible connections I agree with Roger on this one (except for the insults). I did not know that Einstein recognized that spacetime was a true void - I had assumed that his conception of gravitational warping of spacetime was a literal plenum or

Re: Re: Impossible connections

2012-10-11 Thread Roger Clough
Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-10-11, 08:17:23 Subject: Re: Impossible connections Spacetime could not be warped if it were a void. On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 8:11 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > I agree with Roger on this one (except for the insults). I did not kno

Re: Impossible connections

2012-10-11 Thread Richard Ruquist
Spacetime could not be warped if it were a void. On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 8:11 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > I agree with Roger on this one (except for the insults). I did not know that > Einstein recognized that spacetime was a true void - I had assumed that his > conception of gravitational warpin

Re: Impossible connections

2012-10-11 Thread Craig Weinberg
I agree with Roger on this one (except for the insults). I did not know that Einstein recognized that spacetime was a true void - I had assumed that his conception of gravitational warping of spacetime was a literal plenum or manifold, but if it's true that he recognized spacetime as an abstrac

Re: Impossible connections

2012-10-11 Thread Richard Ruquist
Roger, You are entitled to your opinion, but that is all it is. Richard On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 5:31 AM, Roger Clough wrote: > Hi Richard Ruquist > > Here you go again. Monads are basically ideas. > The BECs are physical. No physical connection is possible > between ideas and things. > > > Roger

Impossible connections

2012-10-11 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Richard Ruquist Here you go again. Monads are basically ideas. The BECs are physical. No physical connection is possible between ideas and things. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 10/11/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the followin