Re: NYTimes.com: Red Covid

[John Clark]

On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 3:10 PM  wrote:

*> As the mechanics of human mitochondria become better understood, we as a
> species will employ even better medicines, post infection, in neutralizing
> the virus's effects.   *


No doubt, but those scientific advances will do stupid people absolutely no
good because they'd be just too stupid to make use of them. Stupidity is
the reason 200,000 Americans died unnecessarily in the last 8 months; not
surprisingly most of them were Trump supporters because if somebody is
stupid enough to think a man like Trump would make a good president then
they're stupid enough not to get a life-saving vaccine.

And Spud, if 6.33 billion people take that pill you were talking about do
you really imagine you won't be reading any articles on the Internet about
that pill giving somebody a bad reaction?

John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis


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> *> Actually JC, you don't read what I submit anyway.*
>
>
> The difference between you and me is that I do read something before I
> submit it to the list,  but now I know for a fact that you do not because
> the CDC link you submitted was making the exact opposite point of the point
> you were trying to make.
>
> *> "I don't have time to read all that!" a quote.*
>
>
> It's true I don't read every link you submit because I know from
> experience the more links you give in a post the less likely any of them
> are worth a damn. When I challenged you to give me one single example of
> corporate censorship you regurgitated about 12, I strongly suspected that
> you simply typed in the words "corporate censorship"  into a search engine
> and then just copied out  the first dozen links it churned out. My
> suspicion turned out to be correct because when I insisted you go through
> your long list and find the single strongest one for me to read it was
> indeed worthless because a book publisher declining to print a book by a
> known traitor is not an example of censorship, corporate or otherwise.
> Nobody, not even a traitor, has a constitutional right to demand that
> somebody else print their book.
>
>
> *> Also the article did indicate that yeah there are people who suffer bad
> reactions to the vaccines, and fortunately for us, these are very rare.*
>
>
> They are incredibly rare, and none of those bad reactions turned out to be
> fatal.  I very much doubt that new pill you like so much will have a
> lower bad reaction rate than the vaccine because I can't think of any
> medicine that has a lower bad reaction rate than the vaccine, not even
> aspirin.
>
>
>
> *> A death is a death. I am sure your statements about vaccines will be
> sufficient to condole the grieving and allay the fears of the reticent.
> Yeah, Buddy!*
>
>
> No, I'm not going to let you cover over ridiculous illogic and monumental
> stupidity with a thin veneer of emotion. 6.33 BILLION vaccine shots have
> been administered and not a single death has been unambiguously attributed
> to taking that shot, but 4,816,256 deaths have been unambiguously
> attributed to *NOT* taking the shot.
>
>  Somebody must  get to the other side of a deep gorge and there is a
> well-maintained modern steel suspension bridge over it, but they refuse
> to take it because however strong the bridge may be there will always be a
> non-zero possibility that it will collapse just as they're in the middle of
> it. They refuse to take the slightest risk even if it's infinitesimally
> tiny, but they must get to the other side so out of an abundance of caution
> they decide to ignore the bridge and get to the other side by jumping over
> the gorge on their motorcycle Evel Knievel style just to play it safe.
>
> If that's not an example of being as dumb as dog shit what the hell is?
>
>
> cqx
>
>
>
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Re: NYTimes.com: Red Covid

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

I contend that there will be further studies which will adjust the death rate, 
however small it is, up or down. Corrections in medical studies always occur as 
new information and new methods become available. I didn't celebrate the 
article concerning the curative pill in my citation, Fauci did, which is why I 
sent it. The shots are a God send, or in your case, a Lysenko-sent vaccine. As 
the mechanics of human mitochondria become better understood, we as a species 
will employ even better medicines, post infection, in neutralizing the virus's 
effects.   


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From: John Clark 
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Sent: Mon, Oct 4, 2021 4:20 am
Subject: Re: NYTimes.com: Red Covid

On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 9:01 PM  wrote:


> Actually JC, you don't read what I submit anyway.

The difference between you and me is that I do read something before I submit 
it to the list,  but now I know for a fact that you do not because the CDC link 
you submitted was making the exact opposite point of the point you were trying 
to make. 

> "I don't have time to read all that!" a quote.

It's true I don't read every link you submit because I know from experience the 
more links you give in a post the less likely any of them are worth a damn. 
When I challenged you to give me one single example of corporate censorship you 
regurgitated about 12, I strongly suspected that you simply typed in the words 
"corporate censorship"  into a search engine and then just copied out  the 
first dozen links it churned out. My suspicion turned out to be correct because 
when I insisted you go through your long list and find the single strongest one 
for me to read it was indeed worthless because a book publisher declining to 
print a book by a known traitor is not an example of censorship, corporate or 
otherwise.  Nobody, not even a traitor, has a constitutional right to demand 
that somebody else print their book.   
> Also the article did indicate that yeah there are people who suffer bad 
> reactions to the vaccines, and fortunately for us, these are very rare.

They are incredibly rare, and none of those bad reactions turned out to be 
fatal.  I very much doubt that new pill you like so much will have a lower bad 
reaction rate than the vaccine because I can't think of any medicine that has a 
lower bad reaction rate than the vaccine, not even aspirin. 
 
> A death is a death. I am sure your statements about vaccines will be 
> sufficient to condole the grieving and allay the fears of the reticent.  
> Yeah, Buddy!

No, I'm not going to let you cover over ridiculous illogic and monumental 
stupidity with a thin veneer of emotion. 6.33 BILLION vaccine shots have been 
administered and not a single death has been unambiguously attributed to taking 
that shot, but 4,816,256 deaths have been unambiguously attributed to NOT 
taking the shot. 
 Somebody must  get to the other side of a deep gorge and there is a 
well-maintained modern steel suspension bridge over it, but they refuse to take 
it because however strong the bridge may be there will always be a non-zero 
possibility that it will collapse just as they're in the middle of it. They 
refuse to take the slightest risk even if it's infinitesimally tiny, but they 
must get to the other side so out of an abundance of caution they decide to 
ignore the bridge and get to the other side by jumping over the gorge on their 
motorcycle Evel Knievel style just to play it safe.
If that's not an example of being as dumb as dog shit what the hell is? 
John K Clark    See what's on my new list at  Extropolis
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Re: NYTimes.com: Red Covid

[John Clark]

On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 9:01 PM  wrote:

*> Actually JC, you don't read what I submit anyway.*
>

The difference between you and me is that I do read something before I
submit it to the list,  but now I know for a fact that you do not because
the CDC link you submitted was making the exact opposite point of the point
you were trying to make.

*> "I don't have time to read all that!" a quote.*
>

It's true I don't read every link you submit because I know from experience
the more links you give in a post the less likely any of them are worth a
damn. When I challenged you to give me one single example of corporate
censorship you regurgitated about 12, I strongly suspected that you simply
typed in the words "corporate censorship"  into a search engine and then
just copied out  the first dozen links it churned out. My suspicion turned
out to be correct because when I insisted you go through your long list and
find the single strongest one for me to read it was indeed worthless
because a book publisher declining to print a book by a known traitor is
not an example of censorship, corporate or otherwise.  Nobody, not even a
traitor, has a constitutional right to demand that somebody else print
their book.


> *> Also the article did indicate that yeah there are people who suffer bad
> reactions to the vaccines, and fortunately for us, these are very rare.*
>

They are incredibly rare, and none of those bad reactions turned out to be
fatal.  I very much doubt that new pill you like so much will have a lower
bad reaction rate than the vaccine because I can't think of any medicine
that has a lower bad reaction rate than the vaccine, not even aspirin.



> *> A death is a death. I am sure your statements about vaccines will be
> sufficient to condole the grieving and allay the fears of the reticent.
> Yeah, Buddy!*
>

No, I'm not going to let you cover over ridiculous illogic and monumental
stupidity with a thin veneer of emotion. 6.33 BILLION vaccine shots have
been administered and not a single death has been unambiguously attributed
to taking that shot, but 4,816,256 deaths have been unambiguously
attributed to *NOT* taking the shot.

 Somebody must  get to the other side of a deep gorge and there is a
well-maintained modern steel suspension bridge over it, but they refuse to
take it because however strong the bridge may be there will always be a
non-zero possibility that it will collapse just as they're in the middle of
it. They refuse to take the slightest risk even if it's infinitesimally
tiny, but they must get to the other side so out of an abundance of caution
they decide to ignore the bridge and get to the other side by jumping over
the gorge on their motorcycle Evel Knievel style just to play it safe.

If that's not an example of being as dumb as dog shit what the hell is?

John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis

cqx



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Re: NYTimes.com: Red Covid

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

True. But I am concerned that a fraction of a percent will succumb to being 
injected. If there are other causes of morbidity to add in as factors, say, 
obesity, we should never discard this factor. 
I am pro vaccine booster shots and will do as soon as it arrives to my locale. 
I had heard tonight that one should also have the normal flu vaccines and wait 
4 weeks before each vaccine.  



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On 10/3/2021 6:01 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
> Also the article did indicate that yeah there are people who suffer 
> bad reactions to the vaccines, and fortunately for us, these are very 
> rare. A death is a death.

A bad reaction isn't a death.  And a death isn't necessarily a death due 
to a vaccine.

Brent

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Re: NYTimes.com: Red Covid

['Brent Meeker' via Everything List]

On 10/3/2021 6:01 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
Also the article did indicate that yeah there are people who suffer 
bad reactions to the vaccines, and fortunately for us, these are very 
rare. A death is a death.


A bad reaction isn't a death.  And a death isn't necessarily a death due 
to a vaccine.


Brent

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Re: NYTimes.com: Red Covid

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

Actually JC, you don't read what I submit anyway. "I don't have time to read 
all that!" a quote. Also the article did indicate that yeah there are people 
who suffer bad reactions to the vaccines, and fortunately for us, these are 
very rare. A death is a death. I am sure your statements about vaccines will be 
sufficient to condole the grieving and allay the fears of the reticent.  Yeah, 
Buddy!
For the rest of us we can simply be grateful, and take the booster.



-Original Message-
From: John Clark 
To: spudboy...@aol.com
Cc: everything-list@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Sun, Oct 3, 2021 3:15 pm
Subject: Re: NYTimes.com: Red Covid

On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 1:43 PM  wrote:


> Not even the CDC says that there have been no deaths attributable to 
> vaccination for Covid. Simply very rare. 
> https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html


Bullshit. You don't even read what's in your own links! I said "Worldwide there 
has not been one single death that has been unambiguously attributed to the 
COVID-19 vaccine even though it has been given 6.33 billion times, and human 
inventions just don't get much safer than that", and I stand by every word I 
said. The above link, the one that you not me provided, clearly says that:
 "During this time, VAERS received 8,164 reports of death (0.0021%) among 
people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to 
report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear 
whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following 
vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a 
health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death 
certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link 
to COVID-19 vaccines."
And I'm not the one who put in the bold type, the CDC did!


> Once a person has contracted The Delta, Kappa, Gamma...flavor of the bug. You 
> become Republican again, for this instance, and go cheap on treatment cost$.  

Only during the last 8 months, after the vaccine became widely available, have 
I become stingy on paying for COVID-19 treatment costs. During that time 
200,000 Americans died, and every one of those deaths was unnecessary and was 
the product of pure stupidity. These imbeciles refused to do what modern 
science advised them to do if they wish to live and take a shot that only cost 
$19.20 to manufacture, but the instant they become so sick with COVID that 
hospitalization is required they go crying to medical science crying "cure me 
cure me, put me in intensive care no matter how much it cost". But by then if 
they are to have any hope for survival other people will have to pay tens of 
thousands of dollars to get them healthy again, and even then the chances of 
them surviving are less than 50-50. So yes, I have very little sympathy for 
these assholes. And the fact that the overwhelming majority of these filthy 
sick bastards would rather live in a fascist dictatorship than a democracy, and 
are willing to take active measures to make that happen, does not significantly 
increase my empathy towards them.  

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Re: NYTimes.com: Red Covid

[John Clark]

On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 1:43 PM  wrote:

> Not even the CDC says that there have been no deaths attributable to
> vaccination for Covid. Simply very rare.
>
> https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html
>


Bullshit. You don't even read what's in your own links! I said "*Worldwide
there has not been one single death that has been unambiguously attributed
to the COVID-19 vaccine even though it has been given 6.33 billion times,
and human inventions just don't get much safer than that*", and I stand by
every word I said. The above link, the one that you not me provided,
clearly says that:


*"During this time, VAERS received 8,164 reports of death (0.0021%) among
people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers
to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s
unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to
VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that
a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical
information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records,
has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines."*

And I'm not the one who put in the bold type, the CDC did!

*> Once a person has contracted The Delta, Kappa, Gamma...flavor of the
> bug. You become Republican again, for this instance, and go cheap on
> treatment cost$.  *


Only during the last 8 months, after the vaccine became widely available,
have I become stingy on paying for COVID-19 treatment costs. During that
time 200,000 Americans died, and every one of those deaths was unnecessary
and was the product of pure stupidity. These imbeciles refused to do what
modern science advised them to do if they wish to live and take a shot that
only cost $19.20 to manufacture, but the instant they become so sick with
COVID that hospitalization is required they go crying to medical science
crying "*cure me cure me, put me in intensive care no matter how much it
cost*". But by then if they are to have any hope for survival other people
will have to pay tens of thousands of dollars to get them healthy again,
and even then the chances of them surviving are less than 50-50. So yes, I
have very little sympathy for these assholes. And the fact that the
overwhelming majority of these filthy sick bastards would rather live in a
fascist dictatorship than a democracy, and are willing to take active
measures to make that happen, does not significantly increase my empathy
towards them.

 John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis

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Re: NYTimes.com: Red Covid

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

Not even the CDC says that there have been no deaths attributable to 
vaccination for Covid. Simply very rare. 
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html
In the biological sciences, a biologist will test to see if something has the 
possibility of some remediation? They may be going in, deeply skeptical, but 
they will look at test results and not simply dismiss out of hand. That is if 
they are honest. 
For the stupidity of voters, this would be going off-topic, and I am looking 
forward to discussing this feature with you, in other threads.On medical care, 
we both concur on the efficacy of current vaccinations for Covid and disagree 
on the worth of costs for remediation. Once a person has contracted The Delta, 
Kappa, Gamma...flavor of the bug. You become Republican again, for this 
instance, and go cheap on treatment cost$.  



-Original Message-
From: John Clark 
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Sent: Sun, Oct 3, 2021 6:11 am
Subject: Re: NYTimes.com: Red Covid

On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 10:09 PM  wrote:
 
 > My suspicion is that they fear heart inflammation and blood clots all 
 > leading to death caused by taking the vaccines.

Worldwide there has not been one single death that has been unambiguously 
attributed to the COVID-19 vaccine even though it has been given 6.33 billion 
times, and human inventions just don't get much safer than that. However 
perhaps you're right, perhaps that is the reason stupid people don't want the 
vaccine, but I really don't care because as I keep saying, and as you keep 
failing to understand, explaining why somebody is stupid does not make them one 
bit less stupid. And as I also said, if somebody is too dumb to take the 
vaccine why wouldn't they also be too dumb to take that new pill and prefer to 
stick with horse deworming concoctions?

> If the Joe admin and the DNC have trouble convincing that precinct of Joe 
> voters,

Death statistics over the last eight months do unambiguously show one thing, a 
small minority of Joe voters are stupid but a majority of Trump voters are 
stupid. Oh well, at least Trump got a majority in something, he didn't get a 
majority (or even a plurality) in either of his 2 presidential elections.  If 
only people who died of COVID-19 could vote in 2024 then Trump would win in the 
largest landslide in American history. 
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Re: NYTimes.com: Red Covid

[John Clark]

On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 10:09 PM  wrote:


> > My suspicion is that they fear heart inflammation and blood clots all
> leading to death caused by taking the vaccines.
>

Worldwide there has not been one single death that has been unambiguously
attributed to the COVID-19 vaccine even though it has been given 6.33
billion times, and human inventions just don't get much safer than that.
However perhaps you're right, perhaps that is the reason stupid people
don't want the vaccine, but I really don't care because as I keep saying,
and as you keep failing to understand, explaining why somebody is stupid
does not make them one bit less stupid. And as I also said, if somebody is
too dumb to take the vaccine why wouldn't they also be too dumb to take
that new pill and prefer to stick with horse deworming concoctions?

*> If the Joe admin and the DNC have trouble convincing that precinct of
> Joe voters,*


Death statistics over the last eight months do unambiguously show one
thing, a small minority of Joe voters are stupid but a majority of Trump
voters are stupid. Oh well, at least Trump got a majority in something, he
didn't get a majority (or even a plurality) in either of his 2 presidential
elections.  If only people who died of COVID-19 could vote in 2024 then Trump
would win in the largest landslide in American history.

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Re: NYTimes.com: Red Covid

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

Please remember that last year you were one of those who attacked poster, Jason 
Resch last year for even considering that chloroquine might be of some help, 
medically to Covid sufferers. All he claimed was simply to see if this old drug 
was of any use as medical remediation? It seems that there is no evidence to 
indicate that this old drug or ivermectin are of any good use. Dismissing drugs 
out of hand is not to be done, despite one's ideology, and we have succeeded 
where those 2 drugs have failed with the use of monoclonal treatment. On the 
other hand studies persist. Researchers perform more research. Don't refute Big 
Don on medical advice, refute Nature magazine, for Christ sakes. 
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-97031-x

Anthraquinolone and quinolizine derivatives as an alley of future treatment for 
COVID-19: an in silico machine learning hypothesis
This analysis or simulation might well drop like a bag of wet concrete, but 
that is how science advances. 
Its not our failures that matter, only our successes. 
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Cc: everything-list@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Sat, Oct 2, 2021 8:29 am
Subject: Re: NYTimes.com: Red Covid

On Fri, Oct 1, 2021 at 8:48 PM  wrote:




> "Fauci says new pill 'impressive' at keeping COVID patients alive and out of 
> hospitals"

If it really works as well as this preliminary study would seem to indicate 
then it would reduce the rate of hospitalization or death from Covid-19 by 
nearly 50%, and that would all be very nice except that we already have a 
vaccine which only cost $19.20 and reduces the rate of hospitalization or death 
from Covid-19 by nearly 100%. And if somebody is too dumb to take the vaccine 
why wouldn't they also be too dumb to take that new pill and prefer to stick 
with horse deworming concoctions? 
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Re: NYTimes.com: Red Covid

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

As before, you have already dismissed the Donny resisters as sub-human, so now 
as a comparison you must now account for the Trump opponents who also say Hell 
No to vaccines. I would start by asking these people why? My suspicion is that 
they fear heart inflammation and blood clots all leading to death caused by 
taking the vaccines. If the Joe admin and the DNC have trouble convincing that 
precinct of Joe voters, an ideologically untarnished person would why is this? 


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Sent: Sat, Oct 2, 2021 8:29 am
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On Fri, Oct 1, 2021 at 8:48 PM  wrote:




> "Fauci says new pill 'impressive' at keeping COVID patients alive and out of 
> hospitals"

If it really works as well as this preliminary study would seem to indicate 
then it would reduce the rate of hospitalization or death from Covid-19 by 
nearly 50%, and that would all be very nice except that we already have a 
vaccine which only cost $19.20 and reduces the rate of hospitalization or death 
from Covid-19 by nearly 100%. And if somebody is too dumb to take the vaccine 
why wouldn't they also be too dumb to take that new pill and prefer to stick 
with horse deworming concoctions? 
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Re: NYTimes.com: Red Covid

[John Clark]

On Fri, Oct 1, 2021 at 8:48 PM  wrote:

>
*> "Fauci says new pill 'impressive' at keeping COVID patients alive and
> out of hospitals"*


If it really works as well as this preliminary study would seem to
indicate then
it would reduce the rate of hospitalization or death from Covid-19 by
nearly 50%, and that would all be very nice except that we already have a
vaccine which only cost $19.20 and reduces the rate of hospitalization or
death from Covid-19 by nearly 100%. And if somebody is too dumb to take the
vaccine why wouldn't they also be too dumb to take that new pill and prefer
to stick with horse deworming concoctions?

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Re: NYTimes.com: Red Covid

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

I think with gene altering machines like Crispr Cas-9, we will deal doom to 
most viruses in a couple decades, as a wing of immunology. But this is a guess 
based on a review of science news. 
One thing is this research from Rockefeller University regarding hybrid 
immunity. 

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/09/07/1033677208/new-studies-find-evidence-of-superhuman-immunity-to-covid-19-in-some-individuals
Between herd immunity and better medicines including vaccines, this becomes a 
manageable situation. Ultimately is what you are indicating is that we 
euthanize the unvaccinated? You have a fix, camps?


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Sent: Fri, Oct 1, 2021 5:26 pm
Subject: Re: NYTimes.com: Red Covid

 
 
 On 10/1/2021 1:17 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
  
 
You can blame Donny, but in truth the vax averse simply are fearful that they 
will die from heart inflammation or blood clots if they get the shots.  
 And why are they afraid of that in spite of the vaccine trials that produced 
no such data?  It's a consequence of the drumbeat of right-wing politicians 
going back at least to Reagan that you can't trust the government; they're out 
to screw you, to control you, to enslave you.  Sure The Dump didn't invent 
that, but unlike Reagan and other conservative politicans, he spread and 
encouraged conspiracy theories.
 
 
 I would say that both Donny & Joe have done very poor work at clarifying the 
medical risks and rewards. Donny was never tight with his messaging and so left 
his statements were open to interpretation. Joe and company seem to want to 
intimidate the populace into submission, and by this appear to treat the vax as 
some kind of loyalty oath and obedience test. For public policy and popularity, 
when people start getting fired for not vaxing, this will not be a 
progressive-friendly environment to say the least.   
 
 What not progressive about firing people for endangering public health.  You 
can be quarantined for having TB.  If you're in the military or public school 
you've been required to be vaccinated for a long list of diseases for as long 
as I've been alive.
 
 
  
  By evolution if you get the shots and we don't and we die off as a result, 
how does this affect you in a bad way? Less country folks to oppose your 
progressive policies, savvy? Cynical on my part indeed, yet, most of the 
politicians are attorneys so cynicism is baked in. Unavoidable even by the best 
of us. 
   
 
 Until you die off, you're a breeding ground for new variants which may 
circumvent existing vaccines and affect all the rest of us.  THAT'S HOW.
 
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Re: NYTimes.com: Red Covid

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

Well allow me to update you with this minor detail. Fauci is likes this new 
medicine.

"Fauci says new pill 'impressive' at keeping COVID patients alive and out of 
hospitals"
https://news.yahoo.com/fauci-says-new-pill-impressive-at-keeping-covid-patients-alive-and-out-of-hospitals-181412672.html

Whoah!! You mean Fauch has adopted the Spud method of problem solving?  But But 
But what if JC hates this development. You know, decrease the surplus 
population, as said in A Christmas Carol, or your buddy population biologist 
Paul Ehrlich did with his Population Bomb, its still ticking. I understand. The 
cost the cost $$$. Yep, yer still a Rep at heart. (wink wink).
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Sent: Fri, Oct 1, 2021 4:26 pm
Subject: Re: NYTimes.com: Red Covid


On Fri, Oct 1, 2021 at 4:17 PM spudboy100 via Everything List 
 wrote:


> By evolution if you get the shots and we don't and we die off as a result, 
> how does this affect you in a bad way?

We've answered that question in some detail on at least three separate 
occasions, but apparently your idea of a debate is not to logically confront 
the ideas raised or even to read the answers given but instead to simply keep 
repeating the exact same question over and over and over again.

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Re: NYTimes.com: Red Covid

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

Not if one is relying on results. Warp Speed was all his. Worrying about his 
ego costs extra. 


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Sent: Fri, Oct 1, 2021 5:48 pm
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 On 10/1/2021 1:38 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
  
 
I think your accusation of a Trumpy Coup d' etat sells medium well among your 
fellow ideologists, but outside of your mind set, is not a feature in this 
land.  
 I know.  Donny land is fact free.
 
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Re: NYTimes.com: Red Covid

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

No I jumped with your earlier reference to solving all problems at once. Keep 
up, keep up!


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Sent: Fri, Oct 1, 2021 4:45 pm
Subject: Re: NYTimes.com: Red Covid

 
 
 On 10/1/2021 1:05 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
  
 

 I would say that the Tuskegee experiment was indeed akin to Unit 731 & Dachau, 
because it didn't care whether the sufferers live or died.  But that's false.  
The subjects in the Tuskegee experiments were provided food and shelter and 
care to keep them healthy and alive.  They were only denied the current, very 
speculative treatments for syphilis...which turned out to be the right thing to 
do.  They did as well as untreated persons, up till 1947 when real treatment 
became available.
 
 And after the above assertion you ramble about completely unrelated questions 
of energy and global warming.
 
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Re: NYTimes.com: Red Covid

['Brent Meeker' via Everything List]

On 10/1/2021 1:38 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
I think your accusation of a Trumpy Coup d' etat sells medium well 
among your fellow ideologists, but outside of your mind set, is not a 
feature in this land.


I know.  Donny land is fact free.

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Re: NYTimes.com: Red Covid

['Brent Meeker' via Everything List]

On 10/1/2021 1:17 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
You can blame Donny, but in truth the vax averse simply are fearful 
that they will die from heart inflammation or blood clots if they get 
the shots.


And why are they afraid of that in spite of the vaccine trials that 
produced no such data?  It's a consequence of the drumbeat of right-wing 
politicians going back at least to Reagan that you can't trust the 
government; they're out to screw you, to control you, to enslave you.  
Sure The Dump didn't invent that, but unlike Reagan and other 
conservative politicans, he spread and encouraged conspiracy theories.


I would say that both Donny & Joe have done very poor work at 
clarifying the medical risks and rewards. Donny was never tight with 
his messaging and so left his statements were open to interpretation. 
Joe and company seem to want to intimidate the populace into 
submission, and by this appear to treat the vax as some kind of 
loyalty oath and obedience test. For public policy and popularity, 
when people start getting fired for not vaxing, this will not be a 
progressive-friendly environment to say the least.


What not progressive about firing people for endangering public health.  
You can be quarantined for having TB.  If you're in the military or 
public school you've been required to be vaccinated for a long list of 
diseases for as long as I've been alive.




By evolution if you get the shots and we don't and we die off as a 
result, how does this affect you in a bad way? Less country folks to 
oppose your progressive policies, savvy? Cynical on my part indeed, 
yet, most of the politicians are attorneys so cynicism is baked in. 
Unavoidable even by the best of us.


Until you die off, you're a breeding ground for new variants which may 
circumvent existing vaccines and affect all the rest of us. THAT'S HOW.


Brent

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Re: NYTimes.com: Red Covid

['Brent Meeker' via Everything List]

On 10/1/2021 1:05 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:


I would say that the Tuskegee experiment was indeed akin to Unit 731 & 
Dachau, because it didn't care whether the sufferers live or died.
But that's false.  The subjects in the Tuskegee experiments were 
provided food and shelter and care to keep them healthy and alive. They 
were only denied the current, very speculative treatments for 
syphilis...which turned out to be the right thing to do.  They did as 
well as untreated persons, up till 1947 when real treatment became 
available.


And after the above assertion you ramble about completely unrelated 
questions of energy and global warming.


Brent

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Re: NYTimes.com: Red Covid

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

I think your accusation of a Trumpy Coup d' etat sells medium well among your 
fellow ideologists, but outside of your mind set, is not a feature in this 
land. Are the rest of your land dwellers as ignorant as swine for not taking up 
this flag of a coup? From a polling perspective, even amongst 'your' pollsters, 
it is not even in the radar. Right now I am keeping my eye on inflation, 
logistics, and the open border your team likes as a policy, de facto. These are 
the things of today and not Donny, a snap shot. Violent crime now is a rising 
concern. Allow me to use this article from The San Francisco Examiner, a 
definitely non-Trump boy, outlet. On crime. 
First the headline.- 
"A terrifying murder on a quiet street highlights California’s blame game over 
crime"

The the sub head line for ideological disavowal of the headline.-"Historically 
low crime rates can’t stop Republicans from blaming Democrats for murder and 
theft"

Yeah, its all our fault, 
heh!https://www.sfexaminer.com/news/a-terrifying-murder-on-a-quiet-street-highlights-californias-blame-game-over-crime/

I need more better polling data to throw in crime as a bigger concern that 
Donald of Orange as an issue. Do you miss him yet JC, as a feature of unity? I 
imagine Donny as the Emanuel Goldstein to your Big Brother's in the DNC. Let me 
know. (George Orwell 1984 reference).


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Sent: Fri, Oct 1, 2021 4:07 pm
Subject: Re: NYTimes.com: Red Covid

On Fri, Oct 1, 2021 at 3:42 PM  wrote:


> I think JC, that you have essentially admitted to supporting a dictatorship,

Says the Potato Boy who is a follower of a president who perverted the 
constitution of the USA, inspired a coup d'état by attacking the Capitol 
Building on January 6, and tried to invalidate a free election that he lost by 
7 million votes and thus become the President For Life, a euphemism for a 
dictator. 
 John K Clark    See what's on my new list at  Extropolisvxb



It's true that Black people were initially more reluctant to get vaccinated 
than white people, but one of the hallmarks of intelligence is the ability to 
learn from your mistakes and change your behavior. And the fact is that from 
April to September of this year the percentage of Black adults who are 
vaccinated rose from 51% to 70%; but things were different with White Trumpy 
Rednecks (aka republicans), the percentage only rose from 52% to 58% because 
Black people tend to be smarter than White Trumpy Rednecks. And because of this 
stupidity it's not surprising that if you rank all the counties in the USA by 
the percentage of the vote that went for Trump in 2020 you will find that since 
June 30 of this year the Trumpiest tenth of the counties had a rate of COVID-19 
deaths that was 5.5 times higher than that of the least Trumpy tenth.  

And because Florida has a very White Trumpy Redneck governor, Ron DeSantos, 
Florida has a death rate from COVID-19 that is 50 times higher than that of 
Australia, and it is the reason DeSantos said Australia is not a free country 
anymore and is more like China because of its COVID-19 restrictions even though 
if they had followed the same policies that Florida had 63,000 Australians who 
are now alive would be dead.
I certainly don't expect you to logically confront any of these drim facts 
headlong, instead I expect you to start talking about campaign contributions or 
some other irrelevancy and post a dozen links that lead to nothing that is of 
any interest or is even relevant.  And that very inability to recognize that 
one's worldview just does not fit the facts is the very reason tens of 
thousands of people are dead and are continuing to die, 2,220 Americans died of 
stupidity yesterday alone.   
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Re: NYTimes.com: Red Covid

[John Clark]

On Fri, Oct 1, 2021 at 4:17 PM spudboy100 via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:

*> By evolution if you get the shots and we don't and we die off as a
> result, how does this affect you in a bad way?*
>

We've answered that question in some detail on at least three separate
occasions,
but apparently your idea of a debate is not to logically confront the ideas
raised or even to read the answers given but instead to simply keep
repeating the exact same question over and over and over again.

John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis

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Re: NYTimes.com: Red Covid

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

You can blame Donny, but in truth the vax averse simply are fearful that they 
will die from heart inflammation or blood clots if they get the shots. I would 
say that both Donny & Joe have done very poor work at clarifying the medical 
risks and rewards. Donny was never tight with his messaging and so left his 
statements were open to interpretation. Joe and company seem to want to 
intimidate the populace into submission, and by this appear to treat the vax as 
some kind of loyalty oath and obedience test. For public policy and popularity, 
when people start getting fired for not vaxing, this will not be a 
progressive-friendly environment to say the least. 
By evolution if you get the shots and we don't and we die off as a result, how 
does this affect you in a bad way? Less country folks to oppose your 
progressive policies, savvy? Cynical on my part indeed, yet, most of the 
politicians are attorneys so cynicism is baked in. Unavoidable even by the best 
of us. 


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Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 5:47 pm
Subject: Re: NYTimes.com: Red Covid

 And not all anti-vaxxers are Trumpists.  In fact before Trump and covid the 
main anti-vaxxers were leftist celebrities like Gwenth Paltrow and Robert F. 
Kennedy Jr.  But they were a small fringe group.  Now, thanks to Trump and the 
other anti-government conspiracy theorists, the is a majority of Republicans 
who anti-vaxxers, but just on for the covid vaccine.  The fact that someone 
else is also anti-vaxx doesn't make that large group any less stupid or any 
less of a threat to public health.
 
 Brent
 
 On 9/30/2021 2:04 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
  
 
Simply because you conflate the two actions in a continuous manner savvy.  Your 
consistent message is that only the trumpy voter won't take the vaccines.  Only 
white trumpy rednecks are vaccine averse. 
  This is like the old saying that all bar tenders are democrats But not all 
democrats are bar tenders.  
  Except the above contention is accurate, and your contention is not accurate. 
 
  If you're going to do science so science, but that will have to be dependent 
on all the facts, unlike ideology. 
 
 
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 From: John Clark 
 To: spudboy...@aol.com
 Cc: everything-list@googlegroups.com 
 Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 5:24 am
 Subject: Re: NYTimes.com: Red Covid
 
 On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 8:06 PM  wrote:

  
 > Heh! These must be life long Trump voters, JC?  Black L.A. residents have 
 > highest COVID hospitalization rate: 
 
  You keep bringing up Black people over and over and over again as if you 
expect me to say that only Caucasians can be stupid and that Black people never 
are, well I'm afraid you're going to be waiting for a very long time.     
   > your progressive policies now spawn free enterprise. Black market for fake 
vaccination cards [blah blah blah]  
 
  None of your complete irrelevancies can distract from the fact that Trump 
supporters are dying of COVID-19 at a vastly higher rate than Biden supporters 
because Biden supporters tend to be less stupid.    
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Re: NYTimes.com: Red Covid

[John Clark]

On Fri, Oct 1, 2021 at 3:42 PM  wrote:

*> I think JC, that you have essentially admitted to supporting a
> dictatorship,*
>

Says the Potato Boy who is a follower of a president who perverted the
constitution of the USA, inspired a coup d'état by attacking the Capitol
Building on January 6, and tried to invalidate a free election that he lost
by 7 million votes and thus become the President For Life, a euphemism for
a dictator.
 John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis

vxb



It's true that Black people were initially more reluctant to get vaccinated
> than white people, but one of the hallmarks of intelligence is the ability
> to learn from your mistakes and change your behavior. And the fact is that
> from April to September of this year the percentage of Black adults who are
> vaccinated rose from 51% to 70%; but things were different with White
> Trumpy Rednecks (aka republicans), the percentage only rose from 52% to 58%
> because Black people tend to be smarter than White Trumpy Rednecks. And
> because of this stupidity it's not surprising that if you rank all the
> counties in the USA by the percentage of the vote that went for Trump in
> 2020 you will find that since June 30 of this year the Trumpiest tenth of
> the counties had a rate of COVID-19 deaths that was 5.5 times higher than
> that of the least Trumpy tenth.
>
> And because Florida has a very White Trumpy Redneck governor, Ron
> DeSantos, Florida has a death rate from COVID-19 that is 50 times higher
> than that of Australia, and it is the reason DeSantos said Australia is not
> a free country anymore and is more like China because of its COVID-19
> restrictions even though if they had followed the same policies that
> Florida had 63,000 Australians who are now alive would be dead.
>
> I certainly don't expect you to logically confront any of these drim facts
> headlong, instead I expect you to start talking about campaign
> contributions or some other irrelevancy and post a dozen links that lead
> to nothing that is of any interest or is even relevant.  And that very
> inability to recognize that one's worldview just does not fit the facts is
> the very reason tens of thousands of people are dead and are continuing to
> die, 2,220 Americans died of stupidity yesterday alone.
>
> aec
>
>

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Re: NYTimes.com: Red Covid

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

I would say that the Tuskegee experiment was indeed akin to Unit 731 & Dachau, 
because it didn't care whether the sufferers live or died. On problem solving I 
always deliberately race to technology as the first and foremost solution to 
most problems. It is not always this way, but I'd bet that it often is the 
best. Since we are both technologically inclined one of the issues we may be 
facing soon is mass unemployment due to the old term, automation. Andrew Yang's 
fix for this was guaranteed income. Rather than just print money which leads to 
hyperinflation, we will need to, at least, drive down the costs of 
manufacturing. The costs of manufacturing besides wages have been heat and 
electricity mostly. 
We could hugely expand solar and wind-a-sea, as the lowest cost method's of 
generating electricity directly, or water splitting in the form of hydrogen, 
combined with batteries and fuel cells respectively. Siemens has built a gas 
turbine that burns only H2 rather than methane, additionally. 
Last we need materials that are cheap to produce and process. Materials that 
will substitute for plastics and leather. For this we now have algae, 
mushrooms, and crop and forest harvesting. One can throw in hemp as well. I buy 
plates made from palm leaves at Whole Earth. These are from India. The paper 
plates they sell are from China (Xi-land) so I get the palm plates, I like the 
feel, much sturdier.  I am more virtuous for doing this? Hell no. The same is 
true about plastics from algae, and packing materials from shrooms. 
Please note, that even rednecks like solar power and batteries, especially for 
off the grid living. This is a marketing fact. Still, costs must come down to 
become dominant. 

-Original Message-
From: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List 
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 6:06 pm
Subject: Re: NYTimes.com: Red Covid

 
 
 On 9/30/2021 2:16 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
  
 
What you have stated is absolutely true. The Tuskegee "experiment" is 100% 
historical fact. It is akin to the Nazis at Dachau, and also the Japanese Unit 
731 on the Yang Tze.  
 No it was not akin to those programs whose explicit purpose was to kill the 
subjects.  The Tuskegee experiment was begun at a time when there was no 
effective treatment, but some questionable ones.  The experiment was to study 
whether people who got no treatment actually fared worse that those given the 
questionable ones.  So the subjects were not given the "cures" but were 
otherwise cared for.  They did as well as people treated with so-called cures.  
So up until 1947 the experiment wasn't harming anyone...although it was 
unethical.  After 1947 antibiotics were available and were effective in 
treating syphillis and so the continuation of the experiment was harming the 
subjects...but not deliberately killing them.
 
 
 Trump did operation warp speed which was basically what is called The 
Wattenberg Method. The Wattenberg Method is simply as he stated which was, 
"Throw enough money and capital at a problem." Capital also so means STEM 
people. Trump was Booed at a rally or rallies, so yeah he backed off. 
Undeniable.  
  Now getting back to problem solving, let us focus medical research for 
certain, but also, if you want to remediate climate change for example, why not 
spend that "Infrastructure" cash on technology. Like solar power and batteries 
and other things. We won't save the earth on wishes and dreams. Viva 
materialism. 
   
 
 Why not solve more than one problem at a time?  That's what it takes to 
survive in the world.
 
 Brent
 
 
   
 
 -Original Message-
 From: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List 
 To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2021 8:55 pm
 Subject: Re: NYTimes.com: Red Covid
 
   Blacks have some historically justified suspicion of "the man" because of 
things like the Tuskegee syphilis experiment, and the Trumpists have fed the 
general suspicion of vaccines.  Which is ironic since Trump would like to take 
credit for Operation Warp Speed producing a new vaccine in record time 
(although he had little to do with it).  But he was booed at one of his rallies 
when he suggested it would be good to get vaccinated, and he quickly backed 
away from it.
 
 Brent
 
 On 9/29/2021 5:06 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
  
 
   Heh! These must be life long Trump voters, JC? 
  
Black L.A. residents have highest COVID hospitalization rate: ‘A deplorable 
reality’
 
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-09-25/black-residents-have-highest-covid-hospitalizations-in-l-a
 
  Hey! Wait a minute. I'm deplorable too. But JC you'll be pleased to know that 
your progressive policies now spawn free enterprise.  
Black market for fake vaccination cards is booming
  
https://www.boston25news.com/news/health/black-market-fake-vaccination-cards-is-booming/5ZUE3BU3HFBS7I3TRSY3QDQNTY/
 

Re: NYTimes.com: Red Covid

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

I think JC, that you have essentially admitted to supporting a dictatorship, as 
long as it's one to your own liking. Now, not to Pidgeon hole your ideology, 
but that is essentially what writer Jonah Goldberg called in his book, Liberal 
Fascism. If white rednecks die off and you liberate the land from 'us,' as your 
author from Breitbart, Nolte, indicated, than why object? Oh, that's right you 
didn't want then blocking your access to emergency rooms. That's was it wasn't 
it? very sensible, in a process of artificial selection. 


-Original Message-
From: John Clark 
To: spudboy...@aol.com
Cc: everything-list@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Fri, Oct 1, 2021 7:53 am
Subject: Re: NYTimes.com: Red Covid

On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 5:04 PM  wrote:



>> You keep bringing up Black people over and over and over again as if you 
>> expect me to say that only Caucasians can be stupid and that Black people 
>> never are, well I'm afraid you're going to be waiting for a very long time.  





> Simply because you conflate the two actions in a continuous manner savvy. 
> Your consistent message is that only the trumpy voter won't take the 
> vaccines. Only white trumpy rednecks are vaccine averse.

It's true that Black people were initially more reluctant to get vaccinated 
than white people, but one of the hallmarks of intelligence is the ability to 
learn from your mistakes and change your behavior. And the fact is that from 
April to September of this year the percentage of Black adults who are 
vaccinated rose from 51% to 70%; but things were different with White Trumpy 
Rednecks (aka republicans), the percentage only rose from 52% to 58% because 
Black people tend to be smarter than White Trumpy Rednecks. And because of this 
stupidity it's not surprising that if you rank all the counties in the USA by 
the percentage of the vote that went for Trump in 2020 you will find that since 
June 30 of this year the Trumpiest tenth of the counties had a rate of COVID-19 
deaths that was 5.5 times higher than that of the least Trumpy tenth.  

And because Florida has a very White Trumpy Redneck governor, Ron DeSantos, 
Florida has a death rate from COVID-19 that is 50 times higher than that of 
Australia, and it is the reason DeSantos said Australia is not a free country 
anymore and is more like China because of its COVID-19 restrictions even though 
if they had followed the same policies that Florida had 63,000 Australians who 
are now alive would be dead.
I certainly don't expect you to logically confront any of these drim facts 
headlong, instead I expect you to start talking about campaign contributions or 
some other irrelevancy and post a dozen links that lead to nothing that is of 
any interest or is even relevant.  And that very inability to recognize that 
one's worldview just does not fit the facts is the very reason tens of 
thousands of people are dead and are continuing to die, 2,220 Americans died of 
stupidity yesterday alone.   John K Clark    See what's on my new list at  
Extropolis
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Re: NYTimes.com: Red Covid

[John Clark]

On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 5:04 PM  wrote:

>> You keep bringing up Black people over and over and over again as if you
>> expect me to say that only Caucasians can be stupid and that Black
>> people never are, well I'm afraid you're going to be waiting for a very
>> long time.
>
>
> *> Simply because you conflate the two actions in a continuous manner
> savvy. Your consistent message is that only the trumpy voter won't take the
> vaccines. Only white trumpy rednecks are vaccine averse.*
>

It's true that Black people were initially more reluctant to get vaccinated
than white people, but one of the hallmarks of intelligence is the ability
to learn from your mistakes and change your behavior. And the fact is that
from April to September of this year the percentage of Black adults who are
vaccinated rose from 51% to 70%; but things were different with White
Trumpy Rednecks (aka republicans), the percentage only rose from 52% to 58%
because Black people tend to be smarter than White Trumpy Rednecks. And
because of this stupidity it's not surprising that if you rank all the
counties in the USA by the percentage of the vote that went for Trump in
2020 you will find that since June 30 of this year the Trumpiest tenth of
the counties had a rate of COVID-19 deaths that was 5.5 times higher than
that of the least Trumpy tenth.

And because Florida has a very White Trumpy Redneck governor, Ron DeSantos,
Florida has a death rate from COVID-19 that is 50 times higher than that of
Australia, and it is the reason DeSantos said Australia is not a free
country anymore and is more like China because of its COVID-19 restrictions
even though if they had followed the same policies that Florida had 63,000
Australians who are now alive would be dead.

I certainly don't expect you to logically confront any of these drim facts
headlong, instead I expect you to start talking about campaign
contributions or some other irrelevancy and post a dozen links that lead to
nothing that is of any interest or is even relevant.  And that very
inability to recognize that one's worldview just does not fit the facts is
the very reason tens of thousands of people are dead and are continuing to
die, 2,220 Americans died of stupidity yesterday alone.
John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis

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Re: NYTimes.com: Red Covid

['Brent Meeker' via Everything List]

On 9/30/2021 2:16 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
What you have stated is absolutely true. The Tuskegee "experiment" is 
100% historical fact. It is akin to the Nazis at Dachau, and also the 
Japanese Unit 731 on the Yang Tze.


No it was not akin to those programs whose explicit purpose was to kill 
the subjects.  The Tuskegee experiment was begun at a time when there 
was no effective treatment, but some questionable ones.  The experiment 
was to study whether people who got no treatment actually fared worse 
that those given the questionable ones.  So the subjects were not given 
the "cures" but were otherwise cared for.  They did as well as people 
treated with so-called cures.  So up until 1947 the experiment wasn't 
harming anyone...although it was unethical. After 1947 antibiotics were 
available and were effective in treating syphillis and so the 
continuation of the experiment was harming the subjects...but not 
deliberately killing them.


Trump did operation warp speed which was basically what is called The 
Wattenberg Method. The Wattenberg Method is simply as he stated which 
was, "Throw enough money and capital at a problem." Capital also so 
means STEM people. Trump was Booed at a rally or rallies, so yeah he 
backed off. Undeniable.


Now getting back to problem solving, let us focus medical research for 
certain, but also, if you want to remediate climate change for 
example, why not spend that "Infrastructure" cash on technology. Like 
solar power and batteries and other things. We won't save the earth on 
wishes and dreams. Viva materialism.


Why not solve more than one problem at a time?  That's what it takes to 
survive in the world.


Brent




-Original Message-
From: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List 


To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2021 8:55 pm
Subject: Re: NYTimes.com: Red Covid

Blacks have some historically justified suspicion of "the man" because 
of things like the Tuskegee syphilis experiment, and the Trumpists 
have fed the general suspicion of vaccines.  Which is ironic since 
Trump would like to take credit for Operation Warp Speed producing a 
new vaccine in record time (although he had little to do with it).  
But he was booed at one of his rallies when he suggested it would be 
good to get vaccinated, and he quickly backed away from it.


Brent

On 9/29/2021 5:06 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
Heh! These must be life long Trump voters, JC?


  Black L.A. residents have highest COVID hospitalization rate: ‘A
  deplorable reality’


  
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-09-25/black-residents-have-highest-covid-hospitalizations-in-l-a
  
<https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-09-25/black-residents-have-highest-covid-hospitalizations-in-l-a>


Hey! Wait a minute. I'm deplorable too. But JC you'll be pleased to 
know that your progressive policies now spawn free enterprise.



  Black market for fake vaccination cards is booming

https://www.boston25news.com/news/health/black-market-fake-vaccination-cards-is-booming/5ZUE3BU3HFBS7I3TRSY3QDQNTY/ 
<https://www.boston25news.com/news/health/black-market-fake-vaccination-cards-is-booming/5ZUE3BU3HFBS7I3TRSY3QDQNTY/>


And,


  Racial Disparities Exist Among Children Due to COVID-19, Report Shows

https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/health-news-florida/2021-09-24/racial-disparities-exist-among-children-due-to-covid-19-report-shows 
<https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/health-news-florida/2021-09-24/racial-disparities-exist-among-children-due-to-covid-19-report-shows>


Do you think the "Trump voters" frightened off this last category of 
citizens cuz racism trumpy-style? I mean I realize liberals already  
know that nonwhites cant think for themselves, right? Or possibly 
these people may just have another reason?


"Hospitalization trends were also higher for AIAN, Black and Hispanic 
children, who are more likely to have multisystem inflammatory 
syndrome (MIS-C). They were two to three times as likely to be 
hospitalized as a result of COVID-19 than other groups."


I know, no excuses for those that must be trump voters or witches 
(Almost Halloween!), and lacking faith in the dems who are now all 
progressivies is an unforgivable sin. I think they must simply all 
misunderstand the great genius of comrade Joe. Yeah, that's the ticket.







-Original Message-
From: John Clark  <mailto:johnkcl...@gmail.com>
To: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List 
 
<mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>

Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2021 6:37 am
Subject: NYTimes.com: Red Covid

From The New York Times:

Yet more evidence Trump supporters are STUPID.

"In counties where Donald Trump received at least 70 percent of the 
vote, the virus has killed about 47 out of every 100,000 people since 
the end of June. In counties where Trump won less than 32 percent of 
the vote, the 

Re: NYTimes.com: Red Covid

['Brent Meeker' via Everything List]

And not all anti-vaxxers are Trumpists.  In fact before Trump and covid 
the main anti-vaxxers were leftist celebrities like Gwenth Paltrow and 
Robert F. Kennedy Jr.  But they were a small fringe group.  Now, thanks 
to Trump and the other anti-government conspiracy theorists, the is a 
majority of Republicans who anti-vaxxers, but just on for the covid 
vaccine.  The fact that someone else is also anti-vaxx doesn't make that 
large group any less stupid or any less of a threat to public health.


Brent

On 9/30/2021 2:04 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:

Simply because you conflate the two actions in a continuous manner savvy.
Your consistent message is that only the trumpy voter won't take the 
vaccines.

Only white trumpy rednecks are vaccine averse.

This is like the old saying that all bar tenders are democrats
But not all democrats are bar tenders.

Except the above contention is accurate, and your contention is not 
accurate.


If you're going to do science so science, but that will have to be 
dependent on all the facts, unlike ideology.



-Original Message-
From: John Clark 
To: spudboy...@aol.com
Cc: everything-list@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 5:24 am
Subject: Re: NYTimes.com: Red Covid

On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 8:06 PM <mailto:spudboy...@aol.com>> wrote:


/> Heh! These must be life long Trump voters, JC? Black L.A.
residents have highest COVID hospitalization rate:/


You keep bringing up Black people over and over and over again as if 
you expect me to say that only Caucasians can be stupid and that Black 
people never are, well I'm afraid you're going to be waiting for a 
very long time.


> your progressive policies now spawn free enterprise./Black market
for fake vaccination cards/[blah blah blah]


None of your completeirrelevancies can distract from the fact that 
Trump supporters are dying of COVID-19 at a vastly higher rate than 
Biden supporters because Biden supporters tend to be less stupid.


John K Clark    See what's on my new list at Extropolis 
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Re: NYTimes.com: Red Covid

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

What you have stated is absolutely true. The Tuskegee "experiment" is 100% 
historical fact. It is akin to the Nazis at Dachau, and also the Japanese Unit 
731 on the Yang Tze. Trump did operation warp speed which was basically what is 
called The Wattenberg Method. The Wattenberg Method is simply as he stated 
which was, "Throw enough money and capital at a problem." Capital also so means 
STEM people. Trump was Booed at a rally or rallies, so yeah he backed off. 
Undeniable. 
Now getting back to problem solving, let us focus medical research for certain, 
but also, if you want to remediate climate change for example, why not spend 
that "Infrastructure" cash on technology. Like solar power and batteries and 
other things. We won't save the earth on wishes and dreams. Viva materialism. 


-Original Message-
From: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List 
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2021 8:55 pm
Subject: Re: NYTimes.com: Red Covid

 Blacks have some historically justified suspicion of "the man" because of 
things like the Tuskegee syphilis experiment, and the Trumpists have fed the 
general suspicion of vaccines.  Which is ironic since Trump would like to take 
credit for Operation Warp Speed producing a new vaccine in record time 
(although he had little to do with it).  But he was booed at one of his rallies 
when he suggested it would be good to get vaccinated, and he quickly backed 
away from it.
 
 Brent
 
 On 9/29/2021 5:06 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
  
 
Heh! These must be life long Trump voters, JC? 
  
Black L.A. residents have highest COVID hospitalization rate: ‘A deplorable 
reality’
 
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-09-25/black-residents-have-highest-covid-hospitalizations-in-l-a
 
  Hey! Wait a minute. I'm deplorable too. But JC you'll be pleased to know that 
your progressive policies now spawn free enterprise.  
Black market for fake vaccination cards is booming
  
https://www.boston25news.com/news/health/black-market-fake-vaccination-cards-is-booming/5ZUE3BU3HFBS7I3TRSY3QDQNTY/
  
  And,  
   
Racial Disparities Exist Among Children Due to COVID-19, Report Shows
  
https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/health-news-florida/2021-09-24/racial-disparities-exist-among-children-due-to-covid-19-report-shows
  
  Do you think the "Trump voters" frightened off this last category of citizens 
cuz racism trumpy-style? I mean I realize liberals already  know that nonwhites 
cant think for themselves, right? Or possibly these people may just have 
another reason?  
  "Hospitalization trends were also higher for AIAN, Black and Hispanic 
children, who are more likely to have multisystem inflammatory syndrome 
(MIS-C). They were two to three times as likely to be hospitalized as a result 
of COVID-19 than other groups."
  
  I know, no excuses for those that must be trump voters or witches (Almost 
Halloween!), and lacking faith in the dems who are now all progressivies is an 
unforgivable sin. I think they must simply all misunderstand the great genius 
of comrade Joe. Yeah, that's the ticket.  
  
  
  
  
  
 -Original Message-
 From: John Clark 
 To: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List 
 Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2021 6:37 am
 Subject: NYTimes.com: Red Covid
 
  From The New York Times:
 
 Yet more evidence Trump supporters are STUPID. 
  "In counties where Donald Trump received at least 70 percent of the vote, the 
virus has killed about 47 out of every 100,000 people since the end of June. In 
counties where Trump won less than 32 percent of the vote, the number is about 
10 out of 100,000."  
  Red Covid
 
 Covid’s partisan pattern is growing more extreme.
 
 
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/27/briefing/covid-red-states-vaccinations.html?smid=em-share
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Re: NYTimes.com: Red Covid

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

Simply because you conflate the two actions in a continuous manner savvy. Your 
consistent message is that only the trumpy voter won't take the vaccines. Only 
white trumpy rednecks are vaccine averse.
This is like the old saying that all bar tenders are democratsBut not all 
democrats are bar tenders. 
Except the above contention is accurate, and your contention is not accurate. 
If you're going to do science so science, but that will have to be dependent on 
all the facts, unlike ideology. 


-Original Message-
From: John Clark 
To: spudboy...@aol.com
Cc: everything-list@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 5:24 am
Subject: Re: NYTimes.com: Red Covid

On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 8:06 PM  wrote:


> Heh! These must be life long Trump voters, JC?  Black L.A. residents have 
> highest COVID hospitalization rate:

You keep bringing up Black people over and over and over again as if you expect 
me to say that only Caucasians can be stupid and that Black people never are, 
well I'm afraid you're going to be waiting for a very long time.   
 > your progressive policies now spawn free enterprise. Black market for fake 
 > vaccination cards [blah blah blah]

None of your complete irrelevancies can distract from the fact that Trump 
supporters are dying of COVID-19 at a vastly higher rate than Biden supporters 
because Biden supporters tend to be less stupid.   
John K Clark    See what's on my new list at  Extropolis
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Re: NYTimes.com: Red Covid

[John Clark]

On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 8:06 PM  wrote:

*> Heh! These must be life long Trump voters, JC?  Black L.A. residents
> have highest COVID hospitalization rate:*
>

You keep bringing up Black people over and over and over again as if you
expect me to say that only Caucasians can be stupid and that Black people
never are, well I'm afraid you're going to be waiting for a very long time.



> > your progressive policies now spawn free enterprise. *Black market for
> fake vaccination cards* [blah blah blah]
>

None of your complete irrelevancies can distract from the fact that Trump
supporters are dying of COVID-19 at a vastly higher rate than Biden
supporters because Biden supporters tend to be less stupid.

John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis

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Re: NYTimes.com: Red Covid

['Brent Meeker' via Everything List]

Blacks have some historically justified suspicion of "the man" because 
of things like the Tuskegee syphilis experiment, and the Trumpists have 
fed the general suspicion of vaccines.  Which is ironic since Trump 
would like to take credit for Operation Warp Speed producing a new 
vaccine in record time (although he had little to do with it).  But he 
was booed at one of his rallies when he suggested it would be good to 
get vaccinated, and he quickly backed away from it.


Brent

On 9/29/2021 5:06 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:

Heh! These must be life long Trump voters, JC?


  Black L.A. residents have highest COVID hospitalization rate: ‘A
  deplorable reality’


  
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-09-25/black-residents-have-highest-covid-hospitalizations-in-l-a


Hey! Wait a minute. I'm deplorable too. But JC you'll be pleased to 
know that your progressive policies now spawn free enterprise.



  Black market for fake vaccination cards is booming

https://www.boston25news.com/news/health/black-market-fake-vaccination-cards-is-booming/5ZUE3BU3HFBS7I3TRSY3QDQNTY/

And,


  Racial Disparities Exist Among Children Due to COVID-19, Report Shows

https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/health-news-florida/2021-09-24/racial-disparities-exist-among-children-due-to-covid-19-report-shows

Do you think the "Trump voters" frightened off this last category of 
citizens cuz racism trumpy-style? I mean I realize liberals already  
know that nonwhites cant think for themselves, right? Or possibly 
these people may just have another reason?


"Hospitalization trends were also higher for AIAN, Black and Hispanic 
children, who are more likely to have multisystem inflammatory 
syndrome (MIS-C). They were two to three times as likely to be 
hospitalized as a result of COVID-19 than other groups."


I know, no excuses for those that must be trump voters or witches 
(Almost Halloween!), and lacking faith in the dems who are now all 
progressivies is an unforgivable sin. I think they must simply all 
misunderstand the great genius of comrade Joe. Yeah, that's the ticket.







-Original Message-
From: John Clark 
To: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List 
Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2021 6:37 am
Subject: NYTimes.com: Red Covid

From The New York Times:

Yet more evidence Trump supporters are STUPID.

"In counties where Donald Trump received at least 70 percent of the 
vote, the virus has killed about 47 out of every 100,000 people since 
the end of June. In counties where Trump won less than 32 percent of 
the vote, the number is about 10 out of 100,000."


Red Covid

Covid’s partisan pattern is growing more extreme.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/27/briefing/covid-red-states-vaccinations.html?smid=em-share 


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Re: NYTimes.com: Red Covid

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Heh! These must be life long Trump voters, JC? 

Black L.A. residents have highest COVID hospitalization rate: ‘A deplorable 
reality’

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-09-25/black-residents-have-highest-covid-hospitalizations-in-l-a

Hey! Wait a minute. I'm deplorable too. But JC you'll be pleased to know that 
your progressive policies now spawn free enterprise.
Black market for fake vaccination cards is booming
https://www.boston25news.com/news/health/black-market-fake-vaccination-cards-is-booming/5ZUE3BU3HFBS7I3TRSY3QDQNTY/

And, 

Racial Disparities Exist Among Children Due to COVID-19, Report Shows
https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/health-news-florida/2021-09-24/racial-disparities-exist-among-children-due-to-covid-19-report-shows

Do you think the "Trump voters" frightened off this last category of citizens 
cuz racism trumpy-style? I mean I realize liberals already  know that nonwhites 
cant think for themselves, right? Or possibly these people may just have 
another reason? 
"Hospitalization trends were also higher for AIAN, Black and Hispanic children, 
who are more likely to have multisystem inflammatory syndrome (MIS-C). They 
were two to three times as likely to be hospitalized as a result of COVID-19 
than other groups."

I know, no excuses for those that must be trump voters or witches (Almost 
Halloween!), and lacking faith in the dems who are now all progressivies is an 
unforgivable sin. I think they must simply all misunderstand the great genius 
of comrade Joe. Yeah, that's the ticket. 





-Original Message-
From: John Clark 
To: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List 
Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2021 6:37 am
Subject: NYTimes.com: Red Covid

>From The New York Times:

Yet more evidence Trump supporters are STUPID.
"In counties where Donald Trump received at least 70 percent of the vote, the 
virus has killed about 47 out of every 100,000 people since the end of June. In 
counties where Trump won less than 32 percent of the vote, the number is about 
10 out of 100,000."
Red Covid

Covid’s partisan pattern is growing more extreme.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/27/briefing/covid-red-states-vaccinations.html?smid=em-share--
 
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