Re: The size of the universe

On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 12:40 AM smitra wrote: > On 28-06-2020 01:18, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 11:19 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > > wrote: > >> > >> How about this one? > >> > >> https://journals.aps.org/prl/pdf/10.1103/PhysRevLett.124.251302 > > > > The

Re: The size of the universe

On 28-06-2020 01:18, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 11:19 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: On 6/13/2020 4:30 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: Can you point me to some recent key papers? How about this one? https://journals.aps.org/prl/pdf/10.1103/PhysRevLett.124.251302

Re: The size of the universe

On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 7:20 PM Philip Thrift wrote: > > BTW, this paper > > *Signals of a Quantum Universe*, by Daniel Green and Rafael A. Porto > > also at https://arxiv.org/abs/2001.09149 > > seems to be a significant one. > Significantly stupid -- for reasons previously noted. Bruce --

Re: The size of the universe

On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 1:20:08 AM UTC-5 Philip Thrift wrote: > On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 4:58:54 PM UTC-5 Brent wrote: > >> >> So I still don't know what your point is. You just repeat sections of the >> website...which is interesting. But so what? Can you not state your point >>

Re: The size of the universe

On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 4:58:54 PM UTC-5 Brent wrote: > > > On 6/27/2020 2:33 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 4:12:22 PM UTC-5 Brent wrote: > >> >> >> On 6/27/2020 1:32 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> > > // Example 4-1. Teleport and verify > > include

Re: The size of the universe

On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 4:58:54 PM UTC-5 Brent wrote: > > So I still don't know what your point is. You just repeat sections of the > website...which is interesting. But so what? Can you not state your point > clearly and explicitly? > > Brent > > You posted a link in a previous

Re: The size of the universe

On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 11:19 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > On 6/13/2020 4:30 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > Can you point me to some recent key papers? > > > How about this one? > > https://journals.aps.org/prl/pdf/10.1103/PhysRevLett.124.251302

Re: The size of the universe

On 6/27/2020 2:33 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 4:12:22 PM UTC-5 Brent wrote: On 6/27/2020 1:32 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: In any case, teleportation in quantum computers gives a better picture of the phenomenon.

Re: The size of the universe

On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 4:12:22 PM UTC-5 Brent wrote: > > > On 6/27/2020 1:32 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > In any case, teleportation in quantum computers gives a better picture of > the phenomenon. > > >

Re: The size of the universe

On 6/27/2020 1:32 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 3:21:02 PM UTC-5 Brent wrote: On 6/27/2020 12:54 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 2:34:58 PM UTC-5 Brent wrote: On 6/27/2020 11:53 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> The

Re: The size of the universe

On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 3:21:02 PM UTC-5 Brent wrote: > > > On 6/27/2020 12:54 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 2:34:58 PM UTC-5 Brent wrote: > >> >> >> On 6/27/2020 11:53 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> The instantaneous correlations of >> >> quantum

Re: The size of the universe

On 6/27/2020 12:54 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 2:34:58 PM UTC-5 Brent wrote: On 6/27/2020 11:53 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> The instantaneous correlations of >> quantum entanglement cannot be used to >> transmit information because the result

Re: The size of the universe

On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 2:34:58 PM UTC-5 Brent wrote: > > > On 6/27/2020 11:53 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: > >> The instantaneous correlations of > >> quantum entanglement cannot be used to > >> transmit information because the result > >> at each end is random. > >> Brent > >

Re: The size of the universe

On 6/27/2020 11:53 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: The instantaneous correlations of quantum entanglement cannot be used to transmit information because the result at each end is random. Brent Correlation: the resuls at the two ends are stochastcally *dependent* not the results at the two ends

Re: The size of the universe

https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/programming-quantum-computers/9781492039679/ch04.html "In this chapter we introduce a QPU program allowing us to immediately teleport an object across a distance of 3.1 millimeters! The same code would work over interstellar distances, given the right

Re: The size of the universe

>The instantaneous correlations of > quantum entanglement cannot be used to > transmit information because the result > at each end is random. > Brent Correlation: the resuls at the two ends are stochastcally *dependent* not the results at the two ends are stochastcally independent.

Re: The size of the universe

orrect can it?) topics become more interesting. Thanks. -Original Message- From: Philip Thrift To: Everything List Sent: Sat, Jun 27, 2020 5:57 am Subject: Re: The size of the universe On Friday, June 26, 2020 at 8:19:08 PM UTC-5 Brent wrote: https://journals.aps.org/prl/p

Re: The size of the universe

en you see what looks like the instantaneous movement of information, (it cannot be correct can it?) topics become more interesting. Thanks.  -Original Message- From: Philip Thrift To: Everything List Sent: Sat, Jun 27, 2020 5:57 am Subject: Re: The size of the universe On Frida

Re: The size of the universe

On Friday, June 26, 2020 at 8:19:08 PM UTC-5 Brent wrote: > > https://journals.aps.org/prl/pdf/10.1103/PhysRevLett.124.251302 > > Brent > Interesting. *As a consequence, this theory propagates information instantaneously everywhere in space-time. This is not surprising as causality in a

Re: The size of the universe

On 6/13/2020 4:30 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 3:54 AM smitra > wrote: On 13-06-2020 02:57, Bruce Kellett wrote: > >> My point is that your arguments are >> totally flawed. You stated that a free field theory is analogous to >>

Re: The size of the universe

On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 12:25 PM smitra wrote: > On 26-06-2020 03:24, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 9:31 AM smitra wrote: > > > >> On 14-06-2020 01:30, Bruce Kellett wrote: > >>> > >>> There seems to be something wrong with this. QFT is equivalent to a > >>> picture in which

Re: The size of the universe

On 26-06-2020 03:24, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 9:31 AM smitra wrote: On 14-06-2020 01:30, Bruce Kellett wrote: There seems to be something wrong with this. QFT is equivalent to a picture in which there are independent SHOs at every point in space. This is false, the

Re: The size of the universe

On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 9:31 AM smitra wrote: > On 14-06-2020 01:30, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > > > There seems to be something wrong with this. QFT is equivalent to a > > picture in which there are independent SHOs at every point in space. > > This is false, the SHO are only independent in

Re: The size of the universe

On 14-06-2020 01:30, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 3:54 AM smitra wrote: On 13-06-2020 02:57, Bruce Kellett wrote: My point is that your arguments are totally flawed. You stated that a free field theory is analogous to a set of independent harmonic oscillators in real

Re: The size of the universe

On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 10:54:08 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Saturday, June 13, 2020 at 5:53:27 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 7:31:18 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 1:53 AM smitra wrote: >>> On 11-06-2020

Re: The size of the universe

On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 6:11:16 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 5:03:46 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 4:27:35 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 2:50 AM Alan Grayson >>> wrote: >>> On

Re: The size of the universe

On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 5:03:46 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 4:27:35 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: >> >> On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 2:50 AM Alan Grayson wrote: >> >>> On Saturday, June 13, 2020 at 5:30:15 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: Consequently, the

Re: The size of the universe

On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 4:27:35 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 2:50 AM Alan Grayson > wrote: > >> On Saturday, June 13, 2020 at 5:30:15 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: >>> >>> >>> Consequently, the usual mythology about quantum fluctuations is not true. >>> >> >> *But isn't there

Re: The size of the universe

On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 2:50 AM Alan Grayson wrote: > On Saturday, June 13, 2020 at 5:30:15 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: >> >> >> Consequently, the usual mythology about quantum fluctuations is not true. >> > > *But isn't there factually undeniable, empirical evidence that if one > repeatedly measures

Re: The size of the universe

On Saturday, June 13, 2020 at 5:53:27 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 7:31:18 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: >> >> On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 1:53 AM smitra wrote: >> >>> On 11-06-2020 02:01, Bruce Kellett wrote: >>> >>> > Energy and momentum are conserved locally, even

Re: The size of the universe

On Saturday, June 13, 2020 at 5:30:15 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 3:54 AM smitra > > wrote: > >> On 13-06-2020 02:57, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> > >> >> My point is that your arguments are >> >> totally flawed. You stated that a free field theory is analogous to >> >> a set

Re: The size of the universe

On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 3:54 AM smitra wrote: > On 13-06-2020 02:57, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > > >> My point is that your arguments are > >> totally flawed. You stated that a free field theory is analogous to > >> a set of independent harmonic oscillators in real space, which is > >> nonsense as

Re: The size of the universe

On 13-06-2020 02:57, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 2:05 AM smitra wrote: On 12-06-2020 06:33, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 2:08 PM smitra wrote: Indeed, it doesn't have the same value everywhere. And that makes the original point you were arguing wrong.

Re: The size of the universe

On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 7:31:18 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 1:53 AM smitra > > wrote: > >> On 11-06-2020 02:01, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> >> > Energy and momentum are conserved locally, even in GR where global >> > energy conservation fails in a non-static universe.

Re: The size of the universe

On 6/12/2020 9:29 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Friday, June 12, 2020 at 10:02:46 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: On 6/12/2020 7:08 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 11:50 AM Alan Grayson > wrote: On Friday, June 12, 2020 at 6:57:29 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:

Re: The size of the universe

On Friday, June 12, 2020 at 10:02:46 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 6/12/2020 7:08 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 11:50 AM Alan Grayson > wrote: > >> On Friday, June 12, 2020 at 6:57:29 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: >>> >>> >>> There is no need to misrepresent what I have

Re: The size of the universe

On 6/12/2020 7:08 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 11:50 AM Alan Grayson > wrote: On Friday, June 12, 2020 at 6:57:29 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: There is no need to misrepresent what I have said. I have no problem with treating

Re: The size of the universe

On 6/12/2020 6:50 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: *I think you're avoiding an important issue here; namely, it's claimed that the time-energy form of the UP implies energy fluctuations (and temporary violations of energy conservation) at a particular region of space, and we know the UP is implied

Re: The size of the universe

On Friday, June 12, 2020 at 8:18:41 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 12:14 PM Alan Grayson > wrote: > >> On Friday, June 12, 2020 at 8:08:28 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: >>> >>> On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 11:50 AM Alan Grayson >>> wrote: >>> On Friday, June 12, 2020 at 6:57:29

Re: The size of the universe

On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 12:14 PM Alan Grayson wrote: > On Friday, June 12, 2020 at 8:08:28 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: >> >> On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 11:50 AM Alan Grayson >> wrote: >> >>> On Friday, June 12, 2020 at 6:57:29 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: There is no need to misrepresent what

Re: The size of the universe

On Friday, June 12, 2020 at 8:08:28 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 11:50 AM Alan Grayson > wrote: > >> On Friday, June 12, 2020 at 6:57:29 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: >>> >>> >>> There is no need to misrepresent what I have said. I have no problem >>> with treating the

Re: The size of the universe

On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 11:50 AM Alan Grayson wrote: > On Friday, June 12, 2020 at 6:57:29 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: >> >> >> There is no need to misrepresent what I have said. I have no problem with >> treating the background as a classical field, and quantizing only the >> variations from

Re: The size of the universe

On Friday, June 12, 2020 at 6:57:29 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 2:05 AM smitra > > wrote: > >> On 12-06-2020 06:33, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> > On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 2:08 PM smitra > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Indeed, it doesn't have the same value everywhere. And that makes

Re: The size of the universe

On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 2:05 AM smitra wrote: > On 12-06-2020 06:33, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 2:08 PM smitra wrote: > >> > >> Indeed, it doesn't have the same value everywhere. And that makes > >> the original point you were arguing wrong. > No, all I was arguing twas

Re: The size of the universe

On 12-06-2020 06:33, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 2:08 PM smitra wrote: On 12-06-2020 03:31, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 1:53 AM smitra wrote: On 11-06-2020 02:01, Bruce Kellett wrote: Energy and momentum are conserved locally, even in GR where global

Re: The size of the universe

On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 9:57:22 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 6/11/2020 8:34 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > *Alternatively, you might approach this issue by discussing the alleged > violation of energy conservation by showing the interpretive flaw in the > time-energy form of the UP.

Re: The size of the universe

On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 2:08 PM smitra wrote: > On 12-06-2020 03:31, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 1:53 AM smitra wrote: > > > >> On 11-06-2020 02:01, Bruce Kellett wrote: > >> > >>> Energy and momentum are conserved locally, even in GR where global > >>> energy conservation

Re: The size of the universe

On 12-06-2020 03:31, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 1:53 AM smitra wrote: On 11-06-2020 02:01, Bruce Kellett wrote: Energy and momentum are conserved locally, even in GR where global energy conservation fails in a non-static universe. Not in the sense you are suggesting.

Re: The size of the universe

On 6/11/2020 8:34 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: *Alternatively, you might approach this issue by discussing the alleged violation of energy conservation by showing the interpretive flaw in the time-energy form of the UP. Recently, I posed this issue to Brent, several times; precisely, what this

Re: The size of the universe

On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 9:16:18 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 7:31:18 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: >> >> On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 1:53 AM smitra wrote: >> >>> On 11-06-2020 02:01, Bruce Kellett wrote: >>> >>> > Energy and momentum are conserved locally, even

Re: The size of the universe

On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 7:31:18 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 1:53 AM smitra > > wrote: > >> On 11-06-2020 02:01, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> >> > Energy and momentum are conserved locally, even in GR where global >> > energy conservation fails in a non-static universe.

Re: The size of the universe

On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 1:53 AM smitra wrote: > On 11-06-2020 02:01, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > > Energy and momentum are conserved locally, even in GR where global > > energy conservation fails in a non-static universe. > > Not in the sense you are suggesting. Energy and momentum are constant in

Re: The size of the universe

On 11-06-2020 02:01, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 11:48 PM smitra wrote: On 09-06-2020 01:32, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 10:33 PM smitra wrote: You are confusing the nontechnical introduction for the rigorous content that comes later. Where later? The

Re: The size of the universe

On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 11:48 PM smitra wrote: > On 09-06-2020 01:32, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 10:33 PM smitra wrote: > >> > >> You are confusing the nontechnical introduction for the rigorous > >> content that comes later. > > > > Where later? The only justification

Re: The size of the universe

On 09-06-2020 01:32, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 10:33 PM smitra wrote: On 08-06-2020 13:01, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 7:09 PM smitra wrote: On 07-06-2020 01:16, Bruce Kellett wrote: Applying the idea of quantum fluctuations to the inflaton field is a

Re: The size of the universe

On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 10:33 PM smitra wrote: > On 08-06-2020 13:01, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 7:09 PM smitra wrote: > > > >> On 07-06-2020 01:16, Bruce Kellett wrote: > >> > >>> Applying the idea of quantum fluctuations to the inflaton field is > >> a mistake, since

Re: The size of the universe

On 08-06-2020 13:01, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 7:09 PM smitra wrote: On 07-06-2020 01:16, Bruce Kellett wrote: Applying the idea of quantum fluctuations to the inflaton field is a mistake, since inflation is based on a classical field. And you do not quantize a

Re: The size of the universe

On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 7:09 PM smitra wrote: > On 07-06-2020 01:16, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > > Applying the idea of quantum fluctuations to the inflaton field is a > > mistake, since inflation is based on a classical field. And you do not > > quantize a classical field by adding "quantum

Re: The size of the universe

On 07-06-2020 01:16, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 11:54 PM smitra wrote: On 06-06-2020 01:07, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 3:11 AM smitra wrote: These fluctuations at zero temperature are what we call "quantum fluctuations" in physics. I think you are

Re: The size of the universe

> On 6 Jun 2020, at 16:34, smitra wrote: > > On 06-06-2020 12:57, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> On 5 Jun 2020, at 19:11, smitra wrote: >>> On 05-06-2020 18:07, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Jun 5, 2020, 5:55 AM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 7:16 PM Jason Resch >

Re: The size of the universe

On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 4:37 PM Jason Resch wrote: > On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 12:39 AM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > >> On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 3:13 PM Jason Resch wrote: >> >>> >>> When you look up at the sky you are indirectly performing a measurement >>> of the inflaton field's energy in different

Re: The size of the universe

On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 12:39 AM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 3:13 PM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Saturday, June 6, 2020, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> >>> On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 11:54 PM smitra wrote: >>> On 06-06-2020 01:07, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at

Re: The size of the universe

On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 3:13 PM Jason Resch wrote: > On Saturday, June 6, 2020, Bruce Kellett wrote: > >> On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 11:54 PM smitra wrote: >> >>> On 06-06-2020 01:07, Bruce Kellett wrote: >>> > On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 3:11 AM smitra wrote: >>> >>> >> These fluctuations at zero

Re: The size of the universe

On Saturday, June 6, 2020, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 11:54 PM smitra wrote: > >> On 06-06-2020 01:07, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> > On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 3:11 AM smitra wrote: >> >> >> These fluctuations at zero temperature are what we call "quantum >> >> fluctuations" >> >>

Re: The size of the universe

On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 11:54 PM smitra wrote: > On 06-06-2020 01:07, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 3:11 AM smitra wrote: > > >> These fluctuations at zero temperature are what we call "quantum > >> fluctuations" > >> in physics. > > > > I think you are confusing the zero point

Re: The size of the universe

On 6/6/2020 7:34 AM, smitra wrote: On 06-06-2020 12:57, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 5 Jun 2020, at 19:11, smitra wrote: On 05-06-2020 18:07, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Jun 5, 2020, 5:55 AM Bruce Kellett wrote: On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 7:16 PM Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 8:51 PM

Re: The size of the universe

On 06-06-2020 12:57, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 5 Jun 2020, at 19:11, smitra wrote: On 05-06-2020 18:07, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Jun 5, 2020, 5:55 AM Bruce Kellett wrote: On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 7:16 PM Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 8:51 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: On Tue, Jun 2,

Re: The size of the universe

On 06-06-2020 01:07, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 3:11 AM smitra wrote: There obviously do exist quantum fluctuations. A down to Earth example is Johnson noise. Connect a sensitive voltmeter to a resistor and you'll detect fluctuations in the voltage. The average voltage is

Re: The size of the universe

> On 5 Jun 2020, at 19:11, smitra wrote: > > On 05-06-2020 18:07, Jason Resch wrote: >> On Fri, Jun 5, 2020, 5:55 AM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >>> On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 7:16 PM Jason Resch >>> wrote: >>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 8:51 PM Bruce Kellett >>> wrote: >>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 9:59

Re: The size of the universe

On Friday, June 5, 2020 at 7:31:56 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Friday, June 5, 2020 at 5:07:58 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: >> >> On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 3:11 AM smitra wrote: >> >>> >>> There obviously do exist quantum fluctuations. A down to Earth example >>> is Johnson noise. Connect

Re: The size of the universe

On Friday, June 5, 2020 at 5:07:58 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 3:11 AM smitra > > wrote: > >> >> There obviously do exist quantum fluctuations. A down to Earth example >> is Johnson noise. Connect a sensitive voltmeter to a resistor and you'll >> detect fluctuations in

Re: The size of the universe

On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 2:08 AM Jason Resch wrote: > On Fri, Jun 5, 2020, 5:55 AM Bruce Kellett wrote: > >> >> You video gives an oversimplified comic-book version of inflation. If you >> want to understand inflation, you have to go to a professional, expert >> review, such as Bassett,

Re: The size of the universe

On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 3:11 AM smitra wrote: > > There obviously do exist quantum fluctuations. A down to Earth example > is Johnson noise. Connect a sensitive voltmeter to a resistor and you'll > detect fluctuations in the voltage. The average voltage is zero, but > there are fluctuations due

Re: The size of the universe

On 05-06-2020 18:07, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Jun 5, 2020, 5:55 AM Bruce Kellett wrote: On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 7:16 PM Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 8:51 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 9:59 AM Jason Resch wrote: On Monday, June 1, 2020, Bruce Kellett

Re: The size of the universe

On Fri, Jun 5, 2020, 5:55 AM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 7:16 PM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 8:51 PM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 9:59 AM Jason Resch wrote: >>> On Monday, June 1, 2020, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Tue,

Re: The size of the universe

On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 7:16 PM Jason Resch wrote: > On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 8:51 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > >> On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 9:59 AM Jason Resch wrote: >> >>> On Monday, June 1, 2020, Bruce Kellett wrote: >>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 5:39 AM Jason Resch wrote: > On

Re: The size of the universe

> On 2 Jun 2020, at 14:05, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, June 2, 2020 at 4:33:39 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 2 Jun 2020, at 03:07, Alan Grayson > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, June 1, 2020 at 3:58:01 PM UTC-6, Jason wrote: >> Let's say time and space are

Re: The size of the universe

On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 8:51 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 9:59 AM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Monday, June 1, 2020, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 5:39 AM Jason Resch wrote: >>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 6:26 AM Alan Grayson wrote: > On

Re: The size of the universe

On Tuesday, June 2, 2020 at 4:33:39 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 2 Jun 2020, at 03:07, Alan Grayson > > wrote: > > > > On Monday, June 1, 2020 at 3:58:01 PM UTC-6, Jason wrote: >> >> Let's say time and space are continuous. Now lets design a stop watch >> that works as follows: >>

Re: The size of the universe

> On 2 Jun 2020, at 03:07, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Monday, June 1, 2020 at 3:58:01 PM UTC-6, Jason wrote: > Let's say time and space are continuous. Now lets design a stop watch that > works as follows: > > 1. Start button: shoots a photon with a wavelength of 300 nanometers down the

Re: The size of the universe

> On 2 Jun 2020, at 01:59, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Monday, June 1, 2020, Bruce Kellett > wrote: > On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 5:39 AM Jason Resch > wrote: > On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 6:26 AM Alan Grayson

Re: The size of the universe

> On 1 Jun 2020, at 19:31, Jason Resch wrote: > > Speaking of large but finite numbers, I think sometimes we forget just how > big some finite numbers can be: > > This article really stretched my brain/hurt my head: > https://waitbutwhy.com/2014/11/100-grahams-number.html >

Re: The size of the universe

> On 1 Jun 2020, at 15:55, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Monday, June 1, 2020 at 7:31:14 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > On Monday, May 18, 2020 at 9:20:36 PM UTC-6, Jason wrote: > I recently wrote an article on the size of the universe and the scope of > reality: >

Re: The size of the universe

> On 1 Jun 2020, at 13:26, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Monday, May 18, 2020 at 9:20:36 PM UTC-6, Jason wrote: > I recently wrote an article on the size of the universe and the scope of > reality: > https://alwaysasking.com/how-big-is-the-universe/ >

Re: The size of the universe

On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 9:59 AM Jason Resch wrote: > On Monday, June 1, 2020, Bruce Kellett wrote: > >> On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 5:39 AM Jason Resch wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 6:26 AM Alan Grayson >>> wrote: >>> On Monday, May 18, 2020 at 9:20:36 PM UTC-6, Jason wrote: > >

Re: The size of the universe

On Monday, June 1, 2020 at 3:58:01 PM UTC-6, Jason wrote: > > Let's say time and space are continuous. Now lets design a stop watch that > works as follows: > > 1. *Start button:* shoots a photon with a wavelength of 300 nanometers > down the length of a ruler. > 2. *Stop button:* raises the

Re: The size of the universe

On Monday, June 1, 2020, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 5:39 AM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 6:26 AM Alan Grayson >> wrote: >> >>> On Monday, May 18, 2020 at 9:20:36 PM UTC-6, Jason wrote: I recently wrote an article on the size of the universe and

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Let's say time and space are continuous. Now lets design a stop watch that works as follows: 1. *Start button:* shoots a photon with a wavelength of 300 nanometers down the length of a ruler. 2. *Stop button:* raises the ruler so that the photon hits it at a certain point that we can measure.

Re: The size of the universe

On Monday, June 1, 2020 at 1:43:09 PM UTC-6, Jason wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 8:31 AM Alan Grayson > wrote: > >> >> >> On Monday, May 18, 2020 at 9:20:36 PM UTC-6, Jason wrote: >>> >>> I recently wrote an article on the size of the universe and the scope of >>> reality: >>>

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On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 8:31 AM Alan Grayson wrote: > > > On Monday, May 18, 2020 at 9:20:36 PM UTC-6, Jason wrote: >> >> I recently wrote an article on the size of the universe and the scope of >> reality: >> https://alwaysasking.com/how-big-is-the-universe/ >> >> It's first of what I hope will

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On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 6:26 AM Alan Grayson wrote: > > > On Monday, May 18, 2020 at 9:20:36 PM UTC-6, Jason wrote: >> >> I recently wrote an article on the size of the universe and the scope of >> reality: >> https://alwaysasking.com/how-big-is-the-universe/ >> >> It's first of what I hope will

Re: The size of the universe

Speaking of large but finite numbers, I think sometimes we forget just how big some finite numbers can be: This article really stretched my brain/hurt my head: https://waitbutwhy.com/2014/11/100-grahams-number.html Numbers can be so big they become scary. Jason On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 6:37

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On Monday, June 1, 2020 at 7:31:14 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Monday, May 18, 2020 at 9:20:36 PM UTC-6, Jason wrote: >> >> I recently wrote an article on the size of the universe and the scope of >> reality: >> https://alwaysasking.com/how-big-is-the-universe/ >> >> It's first of

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On Monday, May 18, 2020 at 9:20:36 PM UTC-6, Jason wrote: > > I recently wrote an article on the size of the universe and the scope of > reality: > https://alwaysasking.com/how-big-is-the-universe/ > > It's first of what I hope will be a series of articles which are > largely inspired by some

Re: The size of the universe

On Monday, May 18, 2020 at 9:20:36 PM UTC-6, Jason wrote: > > I recently wrote an article on the size of the universe and the scope of > reality: > https://alwaysasking.com/how-big-is-the-universe/ > > It's first of what I hope will be a series of articles which are > largely inspired by some

Re: The size of the universe

> On 31 May 2020, at 09:50, Russell Standish wrote: > > On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 01:21:38PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 24 May 2020, at 01:37, Russell Standish wrote: >>> >>> However, I would think that ultrafinitism would change COMP's >>> predictions, and in a sense be

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On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 01:21:38PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 24 May 2020, at 01:37, Russell Standish wrote: > > > > However, I would think that ultrafinitism would change COMP's > > predictions, and in a sense be incompatibe with it. Some programs will > > not exist, because one

Re: The size of the universe

There is a tendency in science fiction to see alien life as similar to Earth life. Intelligent life is again similar to us. The problem is that alien life may be profoundly different on just a molecular level. On Earth there are three major branches of multicellular life, animals, plants and

Re: The size of the universe

On 5/26/2020 10:51 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 11:16 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 5/26/2020 3:33 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 5:14 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List

Re: The size of the universe

> On 24 May 2020, at 13:33, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Sunday, May 24, 2020 at 5:59:42 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 23 May 2020, at 21:05, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >> > wrote: >> >> >> Recently you have said that your theory is consistent with finitism, > > > It

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