Sulla mia mandrake ho installato wine.
Dove trovo la documentazione per farlo
funzionare?
Qualcuno mi puo' dare qualche informazione rapida
per un quick start?
Saluti.
Alberto Marcedone
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sulla mia mandrake ho installato wine.
Dove trovo la documentazione per farlo funzionare?
Nella mndk-7.1 era in /usr/doc/wine-990518/
adesso sara` cambiato il numero(data) finale e forse e` in
/usr/share/doc
poi c'e` sempre www.winehq.org
Qualcuno mi puo' dare
Il 12:42, gioved 08 marzo 2001, scrivesti:
salve a Tutti da Stefano, volevo chiedervi se anche a voi capita di non
riuscire a cambiare la risoluzione video in linux mandrake 7.2, mi spiego,
la scheda video e' stata riconosciuta correttamente, ma quando tento di
cambiare l' attuale
Il 12:03, venerd 09 marzo 2001, scrivesti:
Sulla mia mandrake ho installato wine.
Dove trovo la documentazione per farlo funzionare?
Qualcuno mi puo' dare qualche informazione rapida per un quick start?
Saluti.
Hai provato a vedere cosa c' su
http://www.winehq.org
--
Fabio Coatti
On Thursday 08 March 2001 23:36, Michele Armati wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Salve a tutti,
ho appena installato la mandrake 7.2 e gli rpm di xlock e xscreensaver
per poter cosi' bloccare il terminale grafico durante la mia assenza, ma
non so se puo' servire ma con vlock blocchi pure i
Hi:
I've got two questions!
Do you think sendmail is faster than postfix as MTA's? Why?
Do you think sendmail is more secure than postfix as MTA's? Why?
I have always use sendmail and now I have a Mandrake 7.2 with postfix and I
would like to know your opinions.
Thanks a lot.
My best regards.
KDE 2.0
un-updated install of Mandrake 7.2 (ie, straight off the install disks)
My cursor constantly blinks. And I don't mean the "I" cursor that
appears when you're typing somewhere. I mean the mouse cursor. And it's
especially annoying when I've moved the mouse onto something that has a
tool
Saw a post about one having a problem with backspace behaving like delete..
Well, i have the opposite problem. Delete behaves as backspace. Xmodmap
settings are as they should, /etc/sysconfig/keyboard as well. Any clues ?
Gerry
On Friday 09 March 2001 01:08, you wrote:
** Reply to message from Claudio (sekko) [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Thu, 08
Mar 2001 16:00:27 +0100
I used raid 1 with no problem but 2 days to build the raid with
kernel-2.2.17. Installed 2.4.0-5mdk and all went fine: 20 minutes to
build the same raid
The problem was exactly as I stated in my diagnosis...
Thanks.
-JMS
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of Boddhisatva Troutwaxer
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 4:22 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [expert] best
Hi Rusty,
No, that's not exactly what i was looking for. I already tried the dig -x ip.add.dre.ss
What i was looking for was basically what i get if i submit a query for 216.18.11.* to
the whois
search engine on arin.net:
http://www.arin.net/cgi-bin/whois.pl?queryinput=216.18.11.*B1=Submit
Solaris no longer costs money, depending on the license that you need. I don't know the
particulars but i think it's free for individuals using it in a non-commercial
environment. It may
be free for other uses too, but i don't know what they are.
j
--- "goldengull.net administrator" [EMAIL
When I click on a web link in Kmail I get Quanta. I
would rather have Netscape or Konqueror. How do I
configure this properly?
__
Do You Yahoo!?
Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail.
http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
In the KDE Control Center, you need to change the file associations for
html files, to point to your browser of choice.
Dave
On Friday 09 March 2001 04:13, Gary Bond wrote:
When I click on a web link in Kmail I get Quanta. I
would rather have Netscape or Konqueror. How do I
configure this
hi,
glib-config is part of glib-devel package.
take a look at this link, and install it.
http://www.rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=glib-config
bye.
*** REPLY SEPARATOR ***
On 03/03/01 at 12:08 Collins Richey wrote:
I'm trying to install sylpheed-0.4.61 on
My wife found a nifty(*) (microDollar (#)) program for helping keep
track of stuff, especially paper. But I've got 2 problems with it:
1 - it runs on the dark side
2 - it costs $80, and it seems to me that its really just a nice
front end to a database
3 (%) - it forces you to decide,
John Wolford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Solaris no longer costs money, depending on the license that you need. ...
WARNING pedantic mode Well, actually it costs $25 shipping, I think /pedantic mode
Close enough to free for most of us, though ;-)
rc
On Thursday 08 March 2001 07:26 pm, Alan Shoemaker wrote:
Tom Brinkman wrote:
That was last Saturday AM, and the system's been up
since with no problems. Kmail has no fixed width fonts
available (but Knode and other KDE apps do [?]), but I've
seen others report the same for KDE2.1
Thanks! that did it...
Regards,
Dave
Registered Linux User #184784
Pipit [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/08/01 09:32PM
DP I have done: ipconfig hme0 plumb
DP I know I need to type something like: ipconfig hme0:1 servername
Try to use ip address than servername. In linux it work.
DP Can someone tell me
Robert,
Could you put that in english please? I'm not sure what you're talking
about.
Mark
Robert Boggs wrote:
For some reason, my messages are not getting to the list. I have a reverse
ip problem. My localhost is comming up with my isp, and their give ip add of
the day. Does anyone know
Hi!
When I click on a web link in Kmail I get Quanta. I
would rather have Netscape or Konqueror. How do I
configure this properly?
Start the 'control center', go to 'FileBrowsing', select 'File Associations',
then, under 'text' choose 'html' and replace 'quanta' with 'konqueror'.
so long,
Downloading and trying out some of the (skimpy) statistics apps available for
linux, I find that one package requires xforms. Turns out, Mandrake doesn't
supply xforms - unless it is under a totally bizarre name.
IS there an xforms package for mandrake?
--
Against stupidity, the gods
Hello there
I have windows 2000 network in our office but me
couple of my friend have built up a machine there to install mandrake in
..now
cause we will use it for educational
purpose dont have a monitor for it we would like to access it over telnet
learn it ...it will be multiple
Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
-- Contents of mail
DB2problem...:missing or empty key value specified
Reading active file failed, exiting (see syslog for more
information). Has fetchnews been run?
--
Which file did you
I can confirm that mine did work for user accounts at one earlier point in time. I
remember it
working. Now it's not, so i agree, it must have happened with an update. Hmm.which
package.the hunt begins.
j
--- dany allard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
John
I reported the same problem
** Reply to message from Claudio (sekko) [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Fri, 09 Mar
2001 10:48:17 +0100
I boot from RAID. I mean: partition "/boot" is not on raid device, while
partition "/" is a raid 1 device. You just should create a small "/boot"
partition (about 50 MB)...
Thanks! I'm rather
i use IMP
http://www.horde.org/imp
works well.
mattg
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Stephen Carville
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 11:48 AM
To: Mandrake Expert
Subject: [expert] Web Mail System
Any recommendations for a
I have heard that, kde's Konqueror, does not support .asp pages ? is that
true ? i have also heard that whole Linux does not support .asp well ? is
that true ?
Please, answers are wel come.
thanx in advance.
Ritesh.
- Original Message -
From: "Ron Stodden"
Dan is right about the question. Is it Qmail or Postfix?
Qmail is just as secure (if not more) as Postfix and much easier to
configure and manage. Mandrake now comes with sendmail and Postfix
but I wish they would have included Qmail. I wonder why they left
Qmail out?
Just my two cents.
Do you think sendmail is more secure than postfix as MTA's? Why?
As Mike said...
Sendmail: Wasn't written by Weitse Venema, who is God.
Postfix: was.
Weitse also wrote TCP wrappers.
Postfix is definitely more secure and easier to administer than
sendmail.
Your choice should not be
On Thursday 08 March 2001 10:46, you unburdened yourself thus:
Dear friends:
I would really appreciate your help in solving this last part of the
Konqueror java puzzle. In KDE 2.01 (NOT 2.1) Konqueror, under Settings,
Configure, Browser, Java, I am asked at the bottom of the dialogue box
I hvae tried yet send mail with fetchmail and kamial or pine ?
I have never get anything on postfix that how can i configure it ?
would you please tell me ? i have heard Post Fix is better or the best mail
server. Do you konw how to configure Post fix ? or do you know any tool that
you can
Can someone tell me where to get Mandrake-Linux 8.0.
I'm aware it's still BETA.
Thanks,
Dave
Registered Linux User #184784
On Friday 09 March 2001 00:46, you wrote:
Solaris no longer costs money, depending on the license that you need. I
don't know the particulars but i think it's free for individuals using it
in a non-commercial environment. It may be free for other uses too, but i
don't know what they are
Am Freitag, 9. März 2001 08:00 schrieben Sie:
Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
-- Contents of mail
DB2problem...:missing or empty key value specified
Reading active file failed, exiting (see syslog for more
information). Has fetchnews been run?
You can use yahoo. you will be able to use it from browser, as well as from
you Linux box too with the use of pop mail.
- Original Message -
From: "Stephen Carville" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "Mandrake Expert" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 10:18 PM
Subject: [expert] Web
There are (generic) RPMs available here:
http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=xforms
M.
On Friday 09 March 2001 10:06, you wrote:
Downloading and trying out some of the (skimpy) statistics apps available
for linux, I find that one package requires xforms. Turns out,
This is an annoyance that has yet to be fixed in KDE. For some reason,
konqueror is not, by default, at the top of the html applnk list.
To fix this, simply open up Control Center, go to File Browsing, go to Text,
then to html. In the large window you will see only Quanta listed. You now
There is a known issue with the Matrox G450 and Xfree86 4.0.2 (and 4.0.1 I
believe) where it activates the second header when going into X. This
means that it outputs your display on port 2 instead of port 1. The only
fix for this I have heard so far is to install the binary files from the
Never telnet as root!!! I wouldn't even telnet as a user and su to
root. Your best bet is to use ssh or openssh.
That said...
man telnet
man ssh
These should tell you everything you need to know.
Dave
On Saturday 10 March 2001 01:23, faisal gillani wrote:
Hello there
I have windows 2000
Stephen Carville wrote:
Any recommendations for a good open source web mail systems for Linux?
Desired characteristics are IMAP support. I want to set up a system
for my wife to access her mail from work using a browser.
IMP/Horde is a good one, from all that I have heard. A friend of
So is this a java or apache or mandrake issue?
my guess is that it is more of an RPM issue. When you install files
(e.g. the jdk files) using something other than rpm (e.g. executing .sh
install) then the rpm database does not get modified to reflect the
existence of the newly installed files.
Is cups working properly ? What do you get if you type lpq
Sometimes (on slow machines), CUPS doesn't load the printers before
samba starts. Try restarting samba.
Have you got "printing=cups" in your smb.conf file ?
Maybe you want to post you smb.conf file to the list. I have found that
after
When I'm in Kongueror and I click on an MP3 I get two
identical sessions of xmms running. I couldn't
understand why doing anything would cause playback to
pause and break up all the time. I ran the process
monitor and it point out that there were two identical
xmms processes runing, they were
Actually, if you have a good high speed connection and a cd burner, you
can now download the iso's for the entire Solaris 8 10/00 release. Just
check Sun's website and look for the Free Binary License Program.
Wayne
Rusty Carruth wrote:
John Wolford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Solaris no
How can we get out every trace of Cups ??
--
Circumstances rule men; men do not rule circumstances.
-- Herodotus
I have windows 2000 network in our office but me
couple of my friend have built up a machine there to install mandrake in
..now
cause we will use it for educational
purpose dont have a monitor for it we would like to access it over telnet
learn it ...it will be multiple accesed
What are the commands for software raid? like status, array rebuilt etc.
thank you
- Original Message -
From: "John J. LeMay Jr." [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 6:30 AM
Subject: Re: [expert] RAID installation
** Reply to message from Claudio
I have a system with one dvd-drive and one cdrw-drive (both with
audio-cables). Playing audio-cds from the dvd works fine, but from the cdrw
it doesn't even find any tracks to play. Normal cd's work fine. What's wrong ?
Hello,
The day before I installed KDE 2.1 my ISP upgraded their server. I can still
receive mail but I can't send any.
Initially a message box told me that the host could not be contacted now the
situation has worsened; the mail client now crashes after a short period of
inactivity. I normally
That's true. Ill have to give it a shot this weekend if I can
get my wife off of ebay long enough to boot the PC into linux
and get connectiong sharing working there so I can use either OS
I wanna with no interruption to the boss :)
--
"'Tis some script kidd3z," I muttered, "tapping at my
Thinking the way, My linux shouls also work better then windows not worse.
My sound card is configured, i can only play mp3, and wave files, i can hear
the music of kde 2.0 when i log in, but midi file, i can not play. nor in my
video games i can hear any music. I have sound card of
In, kde, and
[Elice Wu]
Sounds to me like Windows didnt recognise your partitions properly, and
installed over the root partition of Linux.
I've had this happen to me before. The only solution that I found was to
re-install the whole lot, both OS's, making sure that windows recognised
the partitions
Under Mandrake 7.2, I issued the following command to print a man
page: (It has worked under Red Hat and SuSE.)
man -t mkfs | lpr
and got the following messages:
/usr/bin/groff: can't find `DESC' file
/usr/bin/groff:fatal error: invalid device `ps'
Error executing formatting or display
I can't get any system sounds...
I hear Licq sounds, MP3s, midi's, wavs...if clicked on separately...
but not any systems sounds...why?
do i need to install ALSA
--
Registered Linux User: 167369
= http://www.kompukit.com =
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I've been using Apache on 2.2.x kernels for over a
year and never had a problem with, now I built 2.4.1 and 2.4.2 kernels and
Apache gives some mm error "failed to acquires shared memory segment " or
something similar. I boot back into 2.217 and everything's smooth. What's
the problem?
Same for me !
I was an old cups user but since I upgrade it and also KDE2
couldn't print anything.
Uninstalled cups and no printing any more.
Reinstalled DrakConf, lpr, rhs- and reconfigured
'lp'.
Nothing helps.
So I'm searching what happen exactly.
ILooked at /var/log/lpr.log :
Mar 9
Well, in mandrake 7.2 postfix will be installed by default, but i have never
ever found yet that, how to configure Post fix, nor from Gui nor from
console mode.
but my sir, said Post fix is working nicely by default in LMK 7.2, you can
use K mail with that and working fine ? do you want to use
Because qmail isn't Open Source, it just has source code available (much
like Windows)
Mike
On Fri, 9 Mar 2001, Larry Blodgett wrote:
Dan is right about the question. Is it Qmail or Postfix?
Qmail is just as secure (if not more) as Postfix and much easier to
configure and manage.
http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/80beta.php3
On Fri, 9 Mar 2001, Dave Peat wrote:
Can someone tell me where to get Mandrake-Linux 8.0.
I'm aware it's still BETA.
Thanks,
Dave
Registered Linux User #184784
peace,
Rog
Registered Linux user #19071
My resolve.conf had lots of repeating entries in it so I modified the file.
That may have been the cure or my ISP may have fix the fault.
Anyway, I can now send mail.
--
Regards,
Phil
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
You know i was going to download it but obviously i hadn't gotten around to trying!
Thanks %
j
--- Rusty Carruth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
John Wolford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Solaris no longer costs money, depending on the license that you need. ...
WARNING pedantic mode Well, actually
On Thursday 08 March 2001 21:08, you wrote:
I have a system with one dvd-drive and one cdrw-drive (both with
audio-cables). Playing audio-cds from the dvd works fine, but from the cdrw
it doesn't even find any tracks to play. Normal cd's work fine. What's
wrong ?
Usually Audio cards only
well i agree windows has screwed up your partitions,
you may be able to use partition commander to repair the damage, but as for salvaging
your data, most likely only windows data can be salvaged, im unsure how to salvage
data from linux partitions, the cause seems to be that when windows was
I have a 3DFX Voodoo 3 2000. In runlevel 5, whenever I attempt tp change
to another configured reolution, X changes to that resolution and them
promptly hangs. I can't even go to another virtual terminal to kill it.
In runlevel 3, all is love (ie, its AOK)
Any ideas?
Mike
I've compiled rpms of qt2.3 for Mandrake 7.2 from the cooker srpms.
You can download them here: http://rpm.digitalprojects.com.
They install fine, but the unsupported xfree4.02 rpms seem not to
support antialiasing. I'm going to compile new xfree rpms from cooker
tomorow. I hope this will help.
ASP works fine on any browser if you're just looking at a site. All the
browser ever gets is just the html with an .asp extension. Any problems with
rendering are usually due to bad HTML support or (more likely) bad CSS (bad
CSS engine, wrong fonts, etc)
The only lack of complete support for
Dear friends:
I found out from the KDE web site that the best Java (J2RE) for KDE 2.0
(and, I assume, KDE 2.1) is NOT the SunJava 1.3.0 nor the IBM Java but
the one from Blackdown. So, I downloaded the JRE 1.3.0 file from
http://www.blackdown.org/
Specifically, the file
This is wonderful! Thank you for doing this.
M.
On Friday 09 March 2001 18:03, Tobias Marx wrote:
I've compiled rpms of qt2.3 for Mandrake 7.2 from the cooker srpms.
You can download them here: http://rpm.digitalprojects.com.
They install fine, but the unsupported xfree4.02 rpms seem not to
** Reply to message from Benjamin Sher [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Fri, 09 Mar
2001 19:01:40 -0600
bunzip j2re-1.3.0-FCS-linux-i386.tar.bz2
The file uncompressed successfully.
I would assume you need to untar the file as well. "tar xf
j2re-1.3.0-FCS-linux-i386.tar" should do the trick. You should
I have been using TWIG (http://twig.screwdriver.net/) for some time now.
Though it has much more than just Web Based Email (with IMAP/POP3
group/Calendar/Notes/forums etc) you can configure it to select just
what you want. It is pretty fast too! My server is a Celeron 433 machine
with
I've finally got a decent enough way to watch DVDs under Linux (and the
MPAA/CSS people know where they can kiss). This was about to be an
e-mail asking about how to get sound out of Xine under KDE2, but instead
I'll share what I did to get it working.
"artsdsp xine"
Now I just need to get it to
It is however entirely possible that konqueror only works with jdk-sun1.2.2
- which means you would have to download and install the relevant rpm. Java
in Star Office, for example, only works with jdk118_v3. Don't ask me why!
Sujeet
--
When you jump for joy, beware that no-one moves the
On Friday 09 March 2001 07:37 am, you wrote:
My wife found a nifty(*) (microDollar (#)) program for helping keep
track of stuff, especially paper. But I've got 2 problems with it:
1 - it runs on the dark side
2 - it costs $80, and it seems to me that its really just a nice
front end
ftp://ftp.wtfo.com/pub/linux/mandrake-devel/cooker/ or one of the many
other mirrors listed on Mandrake-Linux.com's site.
Dave Peat wrote:
Can someone tell me where to get Mandrake-Linux 8.0.
I'm aware it's still BETA.
Thanks,
Dave
Registered Linux User #184784
--
Digital Wokan, Tribal
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Gerry
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 9:56 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [expert] kernel panic, can not mount root fs
The problem could also be that you have more than one primary
{Comments regarding excessive use of Administrator on NT removed by
author.}
Telnet in as a normal use, then type "su" and enter the root password.
If this box is going to be access from the Internet, you should
seriously consider using ssh instead (which can be used for root logins
without
On Friday 09 March 2001 20:01, you wrote:
It used to get installed in the /usr/lib/java if I rember correctly, but it
was in a place one would not normaly think to look. Hope that helps
Aries
Dear friends:
I found out from the KDE web site that the best Java (J2RE) for KDE 2.0
(and, I
It ain't a hardware thing, and the 3dfx already has a heatsink.
Various 16 bit resolutions and configured and I have Q3 UT SOF
etc. all working fine in runlevel 3.
Thnaks anyway,
Mike
On Fri, 9 Mar 2001, Tom Brinkman wrote:
On Friday 09 March 2001 06:01 pm, Mike MacCana wrote:
I have a
Nice! I was going to build it myself but yours do fine. It looks REAL nice
to have antialiased fonts (finally). Fortunately, I already had
XFree86-4.0.2 built and installed...and it works just fine with qt-2.3.0
antialiasing.
On Friday 09 March 2001 19:03, you wrote:
I've compiled rpms
Mike your right, it aint a hardware thing and your not alone! There is something
FUBAR in the the way LM 7.2 default configures the Xfree86 config. I have a
server with a ATI expert2000 (Rage 128) chipset that has the exact same problem. I
am stuck at 800x600. If I try to change it, the systems
On Friday 09 March 2001 06:01 pm, Mike MacCana wrote:
I have a 3DFX Voodoo 3 2000. In runlevel 5, whenever I attempt tp change
to another configured reolution, X changes to that resolution and them
promptly hangs. I can't even go to another virtual terminal to kill it.
In runlevel 3, all is
Dear Aries and friends:
Thanks so very much for your kind advice.
Unfortunately, this may be a KDE problem. I have now installed
Blackdown's j2re 1.1.3, Sun's j2re 1.1.3, IBM's j2 re1.1.3 plus Sun's
JDK 1.2.2. In fact, I have them all on my system simultaneously. I
recall that Axalon from
Dear friends:
A warning from someone who did not listen:
If you are planning to upgrade from KDE 2.0 or 2.01 to KDE 2.1, do NOT
do so at this time. WAIT till March 26, when the final official KDE
2.1.1 with all the bug fixes is released.
I had the misfortune to find out that one bug alone
can you post instructions/pointers about how to compile XF86 4.0.2
with AA support for mandrake? that would be great!
Do I have to compile WHOLE KDE again to get AA enabled??
-nak
Praedor Tempus wrote:
Nice! I was going to build it myself but yours do fine. It looks REAL nice
to have
Nope. I have an audio-cable for both (i built the machine myself), and, it
works in windows. Anyway, the problem isn't that there's no sound, the
problem is that no programs find anything to play in the first place. Other
operations work fine, even digital audio extraction and burning.. I'm
Dear Sujeet:
Thank you so kindly for your help.
I am downloading right now the jdk-sun file you mentioned. Here is the
name of the file:
jdk-sun-1.2.2-3mdk RPM for i586
I am downloading it from www.rpmfind.net.
Is this the right file? Please check the name carefully and let me know
if I am
Of course # of primary partitions is not os-dependent. What i'm talking
about is that windows screw up 2nd, 3rd and 4th primary partitions if it
finds any.
What are you talking about.
Windows has nothing to do with the # of primary partitions which can be
used.
Any drive can contain up to 4
(I'm not saying that you necessarily have to re-install, but I have no
further suggestions as to how to recover your linux data)
There's no need to add any extra partitions between Windows and Linux
partitions. You just need to make sure that when you do your install,
that you install Windows
Dear Sujeet and friends:
Well, I downloaded the jdk-sun java file, hoping to make it work with
Konqueror in KDE 2.01. The file is:
jdk-sun-1.2.2-3mdk.i586.rpm
To install jdk-sun, I had to first install the file unixODBC:
unixODBC-1.8.12-1mdk.i586.rpm
Alas, after selecting "user-defined"
This might be trivial, but have you considered this yet?
Most CD player apps default to /dev/cdrom. Try finding the settings for the
CD device, and change it to /dev/cdrom2 if you want to play CD's from the
CDRW.
On 2001.03.10 06:51 Gerry wrote:
Nope. I have an audio-cable for both (i built
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