[FairfieldLife] Men Only: HO and the 4th?

2005-10-18 Thread cardemaister
Is it possible to stay in samâdhi whilst having an intense Shiva-lingam -like hard-on? :0 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.

2005-10-18 Thread peterklutz
Moreover, Christ was not a 'bourgeoiuse revolutionary' or PhD that changed side - but a salt-of-the-earth working man. It would be like your small town car-mechanic, grease on his hands and all, stepped out of his garage and started to do these things and perform those miracles.. Oh boy, would

[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada

2005-10-18 Thread peterklutz
I once found myself in a discussion with a westerner who had lived in India as a disciple with one of Guru Dev's other disciples (other than MMY) and who had encountered some TM:ers and was upset by how the TMO had misunderstood how to practice the Patanjali Yoga Sutras. He went on to explain how

[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada

2005-10-18 Thread uns_tressor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/17/05 1:43 PM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, I think the TM-Sidhi program is great and I'm not a TB by any stretch of the imagination. It took years of regular practice before I noticed anything

[FairfieldLife] Request for quote from5/14/2003 press conference

2005-10-18 Thread Ron F
Does anyone have a copy of this press conference? The following was said but I believe this is incomplete: 30 or 40 thousand teachers of TM I have trained, many of them have gone on their own, and they may not call it Maharishi's TM, but they are teaching it in some different name here and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Men Only: HO and the 4th?

2005-10-18 Thread uns_tressor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it possible to stay in samâdhi whilst having an intense Shiva-lingam -like hard-on? :0 Try it and tell us. The march of Science must not be impeded. Uns. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.

2005-10-18 Thread TurquoiseB
I didn't get that Lawson was comparing specific characteristics, just noting that many people of Jesus' time didn't approve of his behavior-- socializing with prostitutes and tax collectors and such, healing on the Sabbath, etc. Different expectations, but the same tendency to be

[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada

2005-10-18 Thread uns_tressor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/17/05 9:20 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's not the way it started out though. That's why there was a

[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada

2005-10-18 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paula Youmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It did help a little - thanks :-) I am reading patanjali now after years of being told I should lol Just be aware that the various

[FairfieldLife] Real levitation (not human)?

2005-10-18 Thread cardemaister
http://www.sinenmaa.com/kuvax.html Kati Sinenmaa is a Finnish eccentric who lives in a forest nearby Helsinki. Her lifter (not invited by her) uses the 25k(?) volts of a PC monitor. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite

[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada

2005-10-18 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 17, 2005, at 4:13 PM, authfriend wrote: I noticed effects too, subtle but definitely there.  What I object too is the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Real levitation (not human)?

2005-10-18 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.sinenmaa.com/kuvax.html Kati Sinenmaa is a Finnish eccentric who lives in a forest nearby Helsinki. Her lifter (not invited by her) uses the 25k(?) volts of a PC monitor. Oops! You gots to click on

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.

2005-10-18 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, because he was doing what he knew to be right, not conforming to someone else's standards. Bevan? Whose standards is Bevan conforming

[FairfieldLife] Re: Men Only: HO and the 4th?

2005-10-18 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it possible to stay in samâdhi whilst having an intense Shiva-lingam -like hard-on? :0 Diamond mind while maintaining a diamond cutter? You betcha. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor

[FairfieldLife] Re: Men Only: HO and the 4th?

2005-10-18 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it possible to stay in samâdhi whilst having an intense Shiva-lingam -like hard-on? :0 Try it and tell us. The march of Science

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.

2005-10-18 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, because he was doing what he knew to be right, not

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.

2005-10-18 Thread TurquoiseB
Yes, because he was doing what he knew to be right, not conforming to someone else's standards. Bevan? Whose standards is Bevan conforming to? Have you ever spent any time around Bevan? If you had, I don't think you'd accuse him of having a mind of his own. I have never

[FairfieldLife] Re: Real levitation (not human)?

2005-10-18 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.sinenmaa.com/kuvax.html Kati Sinenmaa is a Finnish eccentric who lives in a forest nearby Helsinki. Her lifter

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada

2005-10-18 Thread Vaj
On Oct 18, 2005, at 4:01 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paula Youmans" [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote: It did help a little - thanks :-) I am reading patanjali now after years of being told I

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada

2005-10-18 Thread Vaj
On Oct 17, 2005, at 10:57 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 17, 2005, at 5:36 PM, Paula Youmans wrote: Hey, I think the TM-Sidhi program is great and I'm not a TB by any stretch of the imagination. It took years of regular practice

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada

2005-10-18 Thread Peter
--- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 17, 2005, at 4:13 PM, authfriend wrote: I noticed effects too, subtle but

Re: [FairfieldLife] Men Only: HO and the 4th?

2005-10-18 Thread Peter
--- cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it possible to stay in samâdhi whilst having an intense Shiva-lingam -like hard-on? :0 Yes Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.

2005-10-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't get that Lawson was comparing specific characteristics, just noting that many people of Jesus' time didn't approve of his behavior-- socializing with prostitutes and tax collectors and such, healing

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.

2005-10-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, because he was doing what he knew to be right, not conforming to someone else's standards. Bevan? Whose standards is Bevan conforming to? Have you ever spent any time around Bevan? If you

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.

2005-10-18 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't get that Lawson was comparing specific characteristics, just noting that many people of Jesus' time didn't approve of his

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.

2005-10-18 Thread Paula Youmans
It would be like your small town car-mechanic, grease on his hands and all, stepped out of his garage and started to do these things and perform those miracles.. Oh boy, would this scare the establishment? Not as much as if it was a girl lol How sad is that :P

[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada

2005-10-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 18, 2005, at 4:01 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paula Youmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I am reading

[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada

2005-10-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 17, 2005, at 4:13 PM, authfriend wrote: I

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.

2005-10-18 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, because he was doing what he knew to be right, not conforming to someone else's standards. Bevan? Whose standards

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.

2005-10-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't get that Lawson was comparing specific

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.

2005-10-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, because he was doing what he knew to be right, not

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.

2005-10-18 Thread TurquoiseB
I didn't get that Lawson was comparing specific characteristics, just noting that many people of Jesus' time didn't approve of his behavior-- socializing with prostitutes and tax collectors and such, healing on the Sabbath, etc. Different expectations, but the

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.

2005-10-18 Thread peterklutz
Good job, perhaps you could help the list be filling out also this definition..? Main Entry: TurquoiseB Pronunciation: Turk-o-ass-Be ? Function: any? Inflected Form(s): ? Etymology: ? synonym(s): ? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.

2005-10-18 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good job, perhaps you could help the list be filling out also this definition..? Main Entry: TurquoiseB Pronunciation: Turk-o-ass-Be ? Function: any? Inflected Form(s): ? Etymology: ?

[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada

2005-10-18 Thread markmeredith2002
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/17/05 9:20 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[FairfieldLife] Re: Real levitation (not human)?

2005-10-18 Thread uns_tressor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.sinenmaa.com/kuvax.html Kati Sinenmaa

[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada

2005-10-18 Thread peterklutz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- snip -- The TMO NEVER says the word hopping and ALWAYS uses the wordss flying or levitation when talking about the sidhis, in press conferences, in any public discussion. That's because hopping is the

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.

2005-10-18 Thread Paula Youmans
It seems to me that enlightenment (which I think all of us agree is pretty much a useless term, but one we're stuck with) would be pretty wasted on a person who drew his or her primary sense of identity from the person of power, wealth or influence he or she had attached himself to.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Real levitation (not human)?

2005-10-18 Thread TurquoiseB
http://www.sinenmaa.com/kuvax.html Kati Sinenmaa is a Finnish eccentric who lives in a forest nearby Helsinki. Her lifter (not invited by her) More oops: *invented* by her... uses the 25k(?) volts of a PC monitor. Oops! You gots to click on Kuvat (Pictures).

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada

2005-10-18 Thread Peter
--- petepeterklutztepeterklutzoo.com.au auote: --- In FairFairfieldLifeoyahoogroups, markmarkmeredith markmarkmeredith. wrote: -- snip -- The TMO TMOER says the word hopping and ALWAYS uses the wordwordss flying or levitation when talking about the sidhsidhis press conferences, in

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.

2005-10-18 Thread TurquoiseB
It seems to me that enlightenment (which I think all of us agree is pretty much a useless term, but one we're stuck with) would be pretty wasted on a person who drew his or her primary sense of identity from the person of power, wealth or influence he or she had attached himself to.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Siddhis culture Samadhi NOT...was..Proclaiming ones enlightenment

2005-10-18 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hanumanhoffman9 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * If they (vibhutis) do not lead one to this state, they will be called as ÒsiddhisÓ and not vibhutis. Siddhis hinder samadhi and lead one to ÒvyuththanataÓ (becoming outward). Therefore, Patanjali has

[FairfieldLife] Re: Real levitation (not human)?

2005-10-18 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.whitebirdgallery.com/k.grant/2004/levitation.jpg OUCH! :) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Real levitation (not human)?

2005-10-18 Thread Paula Youmans
Very Clockwork Orange lol But my favorite (because of her outfit) is still: http://www.whitebirdgallery.com/k.grant/2004/levitation.jpg To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada

2005-10-18 Thread Rick Archer
on 10/17/05 11:34 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even now though, when Maharishi and others talk about it, they imply that something other than muscular thrust is causing the body to lift up, i.e., that Newtonian physics is being defied, which it isn't. What do you think

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada

2005-10-18 Thread Rick Archer
on 10/17/05 11:55 PM, gullible fool at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even now though, when Maharishi and others talk about it, they imply that something other than muscular thrust is causing the body to lift up, i.e., that Newtonian physics is being defied, which it isn't. My very first

[FairfieldLife] Yogic Flying, was: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada

2005-10-18 Thread Rick Archer
on 10/18/05 12:07 AM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *** The strongest young gymnasts can only do a very poor imitation of yogic flying for a couple minutes, at which time they are so exhausted that they can't carry on -- that alone indicates that even the slight evidence of

[FairfieldLife] Yogic Flying, was: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada

2005-10-18 Thread Rick Archer
on 10/18/05 2:49 AM, uns_tressor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/17/05 1:43 PM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, I think the TM-Sidhi program is great and I'm not a TB by any stretch of the imagination. It

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.

2005-10-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip This brings up an interesting question -- can one be enlightened and at the same time be a total toady? Define total toady. Main Entry: toady Pronunciation: 'tO-dE Function: noun

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.

2005-10-18 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip This brings up an interesting question -- can one be enlightened and at the same time be a total toady? Define total

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.

2005-10-18 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I ask again: Were you suggesting Bevan is insincere in his apparent devotion to MMY? Well, to be completely honest, the thought never

[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada

2005-10-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The TMO NEVER says the word hopping and ALWAYS uses the wordss flying or levitation when talking about the sidhis, in press conferences, in any public discussion. It's absurd to say the TMO is honest in

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada

2005-10-18 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Oct 18, 2005, at 10:05 AM, authfriend wrote: Well, they're not teaching hopping, they're teaching flying, so it would be dishonest to say the former. They are not teaching flying, they are teaching how to repeat phrases mentally X number of times, suggesting that when you do, a desire to

[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada

2005-10-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/17/05 11:34 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even now though, when Maharishi and others talk about it, they imply that something other than muscular thrust is causing the body to lift up, i.e.,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.

2005-10-18 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Oct 18, 2005, at 2:04 AM, peterklutz wrote: Moreover, Christ was not a 'bourgeoiuse revolutionary' or PhD that changed side - but a salt-of-the-earth working man. You've got to be kidding. Let's see, he was supposedly a direct descendant of David, the most exalted lineage in ancient

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.

2005-10-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I ask again: Were you suggesting Bevan is insincere in his

[FairfieldLife] In Fairfield: Ben Jerry's Oreo budget mobile

2005-10-18 Thread Rick Archer
Title: In Fairfield: Ben Jerry's Oreo budget mobile TrueMajority's OreoMobile coming to Fairfield Come on over to the Town Square at 12:00 noon, Thursday Where: the South Side of the Town Square When: 12:00 noon, Thursday, October 20th What: OreoMobile presentation at the Town Square

[FairfieldLife] Yogic Flying, was: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada

2005-10-18 Thread Rick Archer
on 10/18/05 10:05 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ballet dancers can touch down in such a way that it looks like they weigh almost nothing, but they do it with their legs extended so they act as shock absorbers. In full lotus, there isn't much to work with in that respect. Yes

[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada

2005-10-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 18, 2005, at 10:05 AM, authfriend wrote: Well, they're not teaching hopping, they're teaching flying, so it would be dishonest to say the former. They are not teaching flying, they are teaching how to

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.

2005-10-18 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.

2005-10-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 18, 2005, at 2:04 AM, peterklutz wrote: Moreover, Christ was not a 'bourgeoiuse revolutionary' or PhD that changed side - but a salt-of-the-earth working man. You've got to be kidding. Let's see, he

[FairfieldLife] Re: In Fairfield: Ben Jerry's Oreo budget mobile

2005-10-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip and, of course, eat some Oreos. Better yet, *don't* eat some Oreos. They're full of trans-fat. They've just came out with *whole wheat* Oreos in a bid to attract the health-food crowd. I was delighted until I

[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada

2005-10-18 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 17, 2005, at 10:57 PM, sparaig wrote: [...] Funky, I STILL believe or tentatively believe that TM is the best mediation technique, and unique, to boot. I thought you no longer practiced it? Not with perfect

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic Flying, was: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada

2005-10-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/18/05 10:05 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ballet dancers can touch down in such a way that it looks like they weigh almost nothing, but they do it with their legs extended so they act as shock

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.

2005-10-18 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't get that Lawson was comparing specific

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.

2005-10-18 Thread Sal Sunshine
Very possible. I've also read some commentaries that speculate that the carpentry actually applied to Joseph, and was used by early writers in order to give Jesus more of a down-to-earth aura, so to speak. Then again, as all educated Jewish men of the time were required to also learn a trade in

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.

2005-10-18 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paula Youmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be like your small town car-mechanic, grease on his hands and all, stepped out of his garage and started to do these things and perform those miracles.. Oh boy, would this scare the establishment?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.

2005-10-18 Thread Vaj
On Oct 18, 2005, at 11:39 AM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote: On Oct 18, 2005, at 2:04 AM, peterklutz wrote:  Moreover, Christ was not a 'bourgeoiuse revolutionary' or PhD that  changed side - but a salt-of-the-earth working man.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.

2005-10-18 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't get that Lawson was comparing specific characteristics, just noting that many people of Jesus' time didn't approve of his behavior-- socializing with prostitutes and tax collectors

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.

2005-10-18 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This brings up an interesting question -- can one be enlightened and at the same time be a total toady? snip to So you're suggesting

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.

2005-10-18 Thread Peter
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip So Bhakti is impossible for someone who is not enlightened (at least to CC), according to MMY, and is impossible for someone who is, according to you. In the Bhakti Sutras of Narada different types of bhakti are deliniated. They are basically

[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada

2005-10-18 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/17/05 9:20 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[FairfieldLife] Re: Awakening

2005-10-18 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I¹ve attached 6 scanned pages from a new book by David Carse, entitled ŒPerfect Brilliant Stillness¹ from a chapter entitled 'Confused Thinking. David discusses the nature of true awakeness relative to all the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic Flying, was: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada

2005-10-18 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/18/05 2:49 AM, uns_tressor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/17/05 1:43 PM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, I think

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.

2005-10-18 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I ask again: Were you suggesting Bevan is insincere in his

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Awakening

2005-10-18 Thread Peter
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/18/05 11:14 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I¹ve attached 6 scanned pages from a new book by David Carse, entitled ŒPerfect Brilliant Stillness¹

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic Flying, was: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada

2005-10-18 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/18/05 10:05 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ballet dancers can touch down in such a way that it looks like they weigh almost nothing, but they do it with their legs extended so they act as shock

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.

2005-10-18 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL

[FairfieldLife] Re: In Fairfield: Ben Jerry's Oreo budget mobile

2005-10-18 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip and, of course, eat some Oreos. Better yet, *don't* eat some Oreos. They're full of trans-fat. They've just came out with *whole

[FairfieldLife] Re: Awakening

2005-10-18 Thread TurquoiseB
I don't know squat. I just posted something I thought people would enjoy reading. How long have you experienced clear squat consciousness? I am squat, thou art squat, all this is nothing but squat. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.

2005-10-18 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip So Bhakti is impossible for someone who is not enlightened (at least to CC), according to MMY, and is impossible for someone who is, according to you. In the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Awakening

2005-10-18 Thread Sal Sunshine
Rick, Ever wonder why so many of these endless treatises on awakening are so good at putting people to sleep? Beats Sominex any day. Sal On Oct 18, 2005, at 9:26 AM, Rick Archer wrote: x-tad-biggerI’ve attached 6 scanned pages from a new book by David Carse, entitled ‘Perfect Brilliant

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic Flying, was: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada

2005-10-18 Thread Peter
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/18/05 2:49 AM, uns_tressor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/17/05 1:43 PM,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Awakening

2005-10-18 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/18/05 11:14 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I¹ve attached 6 scanned pages from a new book by David Carse, entitled

[FairfieldLife] Re: Was NOva Scotia - Now Flying, Hopping, Wright Brothers

2005-10-18 Thread markmeredith2002
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do you think accounts for the phenomenon that some people *appear* not to be exerting enough muscular effort to hop as high and as

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic Flying, was: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada

2005-10-18 Thread Sal Sunshine
Chocolate or vanilla? On Oct 18, 2005, at 11:29 AM, sparaig wrote: > How interesting. I was having flavor experiences > for every one of > the sutras at one point or another during the > course.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Awakening

2005-10-18 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know squat. I just posted something I thought people would enjoy reading. How long have you experienced clear squat consciousness? I am squat, thou art squat, all this is nothing but squat. We

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.

2005-10-18 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I ask again: Were you suggesting Bevan is insincere in his apparent devotion to MMY? Well, to be completely honest, the thought never crossed my mind. But now that you bring it up, my

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.

2005-10-18 Thread TurquoiseB
The only thing I can think of to say on the subject is that if his [Bevan's] devotion is apparent, it's because he *wants* it to be apparent. That is, my suspicion is that his desire is more to be *perceived* as devoted than it is to be devoted. Do you think that Bevan has NOT

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic Flying, was: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada

2005-10-18 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/18/05 2:49 AM, uns_tressor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Awakening

2005-10-18 Thread Rick Archer
on 10/18/05 11:29 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IN which case you should have said discusses what HE BELIEVES is the nature of true awakeness relative to all expectations... Forgive me sir. As far as I'm concerned anything anyone says in an opinion, so it goes without saying.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Was Nova Scotia - Now Flying, Hopping, Wright Brothers

2005-10-18 Thread Rick Archer
on 10/18/05 11:30 AM, markmeredith2002 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone in good shape, esp strong leg muscles, knows that full lotus is no barrier whatsoever to using leg muscles to lift the body into the air. That's why the best flyers are always people in good athletic shape. I flew in

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.

2005-10-18 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only thing I can think of to say on the subject is that if his [Bevan's] devotion is apparent, it's because he *wants* it to be apparent. That is, my suspicion is that his desire is more to be *perceived*

[FairfieldLife] Re: Was NOva Scotia - Now Flying, Hopping, Wright Brothers

2005-10-18 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do you think accounts for the phenomenon that

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.

2005-10-18 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I ask again: Were you suggesting Bevan is insincere in his apparent devotion to MMY? Well, to be completely honest, the

[FairfieldLife] Basis of Dharma

2005-10-18 Thread hanumanhoffman9
Jaya Guru Datta Moolam svaroopam saranishcha rakshaa Dharmasya nityasya ya eka eva Dharma pravaaho guru shishya naalyaam Yashcha svayam gurudatta meede (Sri Datta Dhyaana Maalika) He is the basis of the Eternal Dharma. He is verily the embodiment of Dharma. He is the path and He is the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Siddhis culture Samadhi NOT... reply to Cardemaister

2005-10-18 Thread hanumanhoffman9
* If they (vibhutis) do not lead one to this state, they will be called as ÒsiddhisÓ and not vibhutis. Siddhis hinder samadhi and lead one to ÒvyuththanataÓ (becoming outward). Therefore, Patanjali has stated thus: ÒTe samaadhaavupasargaah vyuththaane siddhayahÓ or

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.

2005-10-18 Thread Paula Youmans
THe original post was a reference to one of the Richard Bach stories, wasn't it? The Reluctant Messiah or somesuch? Hmmdont remember. Im fairly certain though that anyone who comes out performing messiah-like feats openly is going to pretty much get slaughtered. No matter

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.

2005-10-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I ask again: Were you suggesting Bevan is insincere in his apparent devotion to MMY? Well, to be completely honest, the thought never crossed my mind. But now that you bring it up, my

[FairfieldLife] Energy and Siddhis

2005-10-18 Thread hanumanhoffman9
Energy (Sri Ganapati Sachchidananda SwamijiÕs discourse during the Kriya Yoga Camp, USA, 1986) This is a story about Ramakrishna, a great saint who lived in Calcutta. One day Ramakrishna and a Yogi friend were going to visit a temple on the far side of the Ganges river. Ramakrishna hired a

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