Not that it makes any difference to what David is offering, but some of the
information in this post is incorrect. I became friends with David when we both
did CCP on campus at various times well into the early 1990's, so it's
incorrect to say that his last time on campus was in the 1970's.
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Maharishi was not a jyotish. Planetary mantras are free and open for anyone to
use.
? My guess is that you don't agree with what I've said below, but neither of
your two statements supports or takes away from the point I made
I was going to point out much of what olliesewuz has written below, but given
what he has written, I can be brief:
Doug,
Regardless of what one thinks of jyotish/MMY, or (God help us), ideas arising
from a Fairfield coffee house discussion group, your message below is contrary
to MMY's
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Today, Aug 26 Jupiter Venus Mercury in Virgo. It is said to be a particularly
good day to meditate, a Saraswati Yoga..
Om Ayim Srim Hrim Saraswati Devyai Namah
You should not be posting mantras on FFL. It is completely
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
It is what happened. Was done most discretely at pay grades in this way above
most. Was very bravely done. Lot of committee work and no e-mails to show and
was strategically done in a way to save face for everyone. They all
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
--- snip --- Several have not gone to the group meditation in years. Most
were not even aware that Bevan was changed out...
I've asked you several times to produce evidence that "Bevan was changed out",
and you've never
I agree with everything you say, especially about 'repatriation of whole
classes of alumni refugees.' Repatriation of MUM alumni must be first on
Hagelin's agenda.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Really Beautiful comments and perspective. About Fairfield,
Good one. Maybe FFL should submit this (or some variation) to the visitors
bureau for free.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
How about a new tagline..
Fairfield, Iowa: Where New Age and Old Age Meet
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
The communal question being asked in the meditating community right back which
I hear in asking for people's reaction to Bevan being relieved of command is,
whether Hagelin can be trusted(?).
I've recently returned from a couple of weeks in FF and none of my friends said
that they had heard
ireland/10-Bevan-enjoying
http://www.pictures.globalgoodnews.com/ireland10.3/slides/10-Bevan-enjoying.html
http://www.pictures.globalgoodnews.com/ireland10.3/slides/10-Bevan-enjoying.html
ireland/10-Bevan-enjoying
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
LOL! Detroit is the perfect example of what you're talking about. Halloween
isn't enough for them, they have to have *devil's night* in which teens go out
and burn buildings down.
Fuck off
Angels’ Night quietest in 20 years
Fuck off.
Angels’ Night quietest in 20 years
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/detroit-city/2015/10/30/fires-first-angels-night-patrols/74885164/
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/detroit-city/2015/10/30/fires-first-angels-night-patrols/74885164/
Angels’ Night
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Let's take it outside, okay?
Yes, that is a supreme bit of asking for self-moderation and respect for the
larger group, Back_Formore. An asking very
FORWARDED:
>
> Sender: gcwpnews@
> Date: Friday, 25 September 2015 12:10:09 -0500
> X-Google-Sender-Auth: d7b7e88776d0drt6d
> Subject: Devi Devantri Guru Moon of the Global Country or World Peace
>
> Following consultation with 26 Rajas of Maharishi's worldwide movement, His
> Majesty
OK. I;m waiting to see what BIG and BAD happens today.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
"The astrological indications for 23 Sep 2015 seem to support the likelihood
of something BIG and BAD happening that day..."
this is from the group SAMVA
It all depends on how you interpret the events. Pope Francis arrived here in
the USA today. By itself, it cannot be interpreted as a bad event. But in
western astrology, the Sun is fallen at the Autumn Equinox. The Sun symbolizes
the ruler. So, it can be interpreted that a spiritual ruler
Burke noted that “distorted” sexual activity and “false” ideas about male and
female identity showed the need for a “new evangelization about the distinct
gifts of man and woman.”
One of these gifts being the ability to dress up and look fabulous
http://is.gd/5oBXo8 http://is.gd/5oBXo8
---In
Michael Mini-Blessings
Greetings, beautiful community! It was only after twenty years of studying
that it became clear to me, a lifelong yogi, that no person, no matter how much
he meditated or practiced yoga, could hope to clear any karma without first
clearing the dark energy of the Poop
A nice place to meditate indeed. That's why I think that you should seriously
consider my idea from a few days ago of you organizing a get-together for
disenfranchised TM teachers in Fairfield. I was talking to a governor friend of
mine in Fairfield earlier today and he thinks that there would
Very good insight as usual. Not many people could pick up on the difference
between moral reasoning and ethical reasoning, but you have. For decades now,
you have been consistent in holding the TMO’s feet to the fire in pointing out
its lack of ethical reasoning, while always holding yourself
So, why don’t you set up some kind of get-together for these TM teachers in
Fairfield? Especially if you were the public spokesperson (ad in FWR with
article, maybe even an interview on KHOE, promote it here on FFL and with all
your contacts around the country), I am sure many locals would
Of course, you are right. You realize that you’ve been permanently
excommunicated from TM, and you’ve decided to continue to be a leader in
promoting Maharishi’s work through the engine of FFL. You have found what
you’re meant to be doing as a wise elder here on FFL and on the ground in
I'm afraid that you're never again going to qualify for a Dome badge again.
Your negativity on FFL over the years was obviously well known to the course
office, and is the main reason you have been permanently banned from the dome.
Now it's even worse for you because you're the owner of FFL,
Reading this tortuous prose is like eating stones.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :
'Don't need to meditate', yup that is an aspect of popular neo advaita POV
perpetuated by some. But something which the long arc of Rick's BATGAP
interviews by experience is
Maybe you could check out the Vyasa story with George Hammond
(www.30thnovember.com). I can't remember if Vyasa was one George's previous
incarnations (he had so many), but if not, I''m he knows someone who knew
Vyasa.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote :
You
What a piss ant “apology”. You spend so much time trolling through posts to
point out ‘who said what, when’. Then, when someone calls you on a mistake, you
say that you ‘sure ain’t gonna go trawling through posts’. Listen, you’ve spent
at least 1/3 of your adult life doing exactly that –
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :
Hard to really get a feel of where you're coming from James, as you post so
infrequently.
I'd be inclined to put your comments in the category of sour grapes.
Perhaps you can reveal more of yourself here, so we can get a
The responses below are some of the least rational, internally most
contradictory responses that I have come across here. How the writer
(apparently) considers these to constitute even a remotely coherent argument
(and fails to see his responses as a complete surrender of moral principle to
I
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :
:
:
And, of course, the purpose of any group like this, should be to try to share
some experiences, and insights.
So, why do you never share either experiences or insights?
But, usually the temptation to become
If this wordy, badly written, convoluted, and incoherent paragraph below is a
sign of what's to come - and I think it is exactly what we can expect - then
let the fun begin!
Hell and Handbasket come to mind.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :
Dear MJ; Son, I
Doug Hamilton has volunteered to moderate and to limit his moderation to
ensuring adherence to Yahoo’s guidelines and no more.
He will not moderate with his puritanical Buck alter-ego.
Click on the link below to see a sample of how Doug Hamilton has commonly used
FFL over the years. This is
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :
Look, Barry, let me work with you for a minute.
It may make me late for work, but that's okay.
You run your own business, yet you're willing to be late for work to post
here?
This is now where you're at?
Pot. Kettle.
I think you've certainly got a point in your most recent posting, Doug, but I
still have to disagree with you about the sentence beginning in Line 86 and
Lines 112-113. I know I've brought up these with you before, and if you really
are interested in a respectful discussion, I don't see why you
That's just a load of bull. Try this: Get 10 people around FF to look at your
posts here, and ask them how readable they think they are, whats their first
impressions, how likely they would be to read through your post. Then come back
and post a summary of their reactions here.
---In
In other words, you don't know who these 'most other observers and you don't
know what they think.
FWIW, observers, by definition, don't have a posting history.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :
numbers dude. they tell the story.
then look at your posting
I remember being very angry with Dawkin's comments about the tsunami. I had a
look today at your letter to The Guardian and I though you made your point to
him very well.
I thought it was interesting, especially as real lives depend on a Palestinian
state.
It popped up on Richard Dawkin's
Tell me: Who are these most other observers and how do you know what they
think?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :
---snip---.
To most other observers, it's a boring ass place, made interesting by seeing
Barry's pals suck up to him on daily basis.
How can you imaging that anyone - and I mean anyone - would choose to read
through this load of bumpf below?
---
The challenge of FFL as a forum
This is all fine and good, but I'm assuming that it is copied from some article
or other and is clearly not your writing. A few days ago, I pointed out the
clear degeneration of your writing by comparing your posts in the last year to
those from several years ago. Do you accept that there is
Oh, I don't know, the Peak has more than a 'Like' button. I've seen a much
wider range of comments over there:
Oh, Fleet, you're so funny
Well, I try..:):):)
Now, that I get you Richard, I really think you're too funny! (Yep, that or
something like it was actually posted by someone)
Regardless of who said what, or for what reason, your writing is almost
incomprehensible. I am not familiar with what your writing has been like over
the years, but your links to past posts below prompted me to search for
postings under your name in 2001. Several messages came up and they all
Lots of photos, but clearly Maharishi's nephew (can't remember his name now) is
nowhere to be seen.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
and hundreds of other pictures
Day 3, International Conference to... - Re-Establishing Vedic India | Facebook
This guy - the main speaker on the last day of conference-
Day 3, International Conference to... - Re-Establishing Vedic India | Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/656994527761148/photos/a.668487723278495.1073741833.656994527761148/668492186611382/?type=1theater
Harvard Bans Sexual Relationships Between Professors And Students
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2015/02/05/384080539/harvard-bans-sexual-relationships-between-professors-and-students
Well said
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
The notion of spending my last moments concerned what others thought of me and
hoping for them to forgive me doesn't appeal to me. What I hope for at the
moment of death is a sense of expectation and looking forward to
You have not defined what looking forward to work means. Looking forward to
what comes next does not require that a next to exist for looking forward to
work.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :
This would not work if there is no next.
---In
Goodness, don't you think you're getting a tad over-irritated? I know my
response is the trigger, not the cause of your over-the-top reaction, but
still...relax.
Yep, I could have been clearer. So, here's my corrected response to anartaxius'
comment:
You have not defined what it means for
And you talk a lot about anyone who talks about The Peak.
Explain that.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :
Barry, do you have some kind of envy issue going on with the_peak?
You sure talk about it a lot.
Let me know if I can help. (-:
---In
Feste,
Your response has many inaccuracies and incorrect assumptions, many of which
arise from your lack of understanding of what addiction is:
Routine activities - 'things we like to do on a regular basis' - are not
addictions, and your statement that they are is complete nonsense. In this
I think your concern for Richard is genuine, but mistaken. In any case, there
are many other ways to show your concern than to condemn me as being
'mean-spirited' (an approach, as I have pointed out, you use regularly here),
or to make wildly mistaken statements about addiction.
You also
Hi Feste. Yes, I agree with you - we all wear masks of one form or another, and
at the most fundamental level, we are 'not too dissimilar', as you put it.
I know that you took Richard's part because 'your heart went out to him', so to
speak. And,without doubt, that was good of you.
---In
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote :
He had emailed a few days ago that people were still talking about him on FFL
and that it is only fair that he be let back in to respond.
It's Friday afternoon and I need a I'm not surprised, look at what I wrote a
few
And Richard has posted 10 comments in the few hours he's been back here,
whereas he's posted around 18 comments in the past two weeks on the The Peak.
Oh good, he prefers us
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
I like Serious Richard. He is rather a
We drove by this Walmart today, but we didn't go in
Good one. ROFL
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote :
I fixed the dishwasher. When we installed it, we didn't secure it firmly
enough, and closing the door had pushed the dishwasher in, such that the door
seal, running around the edge, got tweaked, and water
And so Richard is back, and here is my prediction of how his behaviors will
play out.
Richard will continue to exhibit classic behaviors of a person with an
addiction. As I noted in a previous post (included below), he is (and clearly
was, prior to his banning) unable to control his
Yeah, but who started the forest fire?? Capture the fort to destroy the host
and all that we heard about for year. Looks very suspicious to me
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote :
No one. Honestly ! There was a forest fire that started miles away and burned
it's way
Yeah, but who started the forest fire?? Capture the fort to destroy the host
and all that we heard about for years
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote :
No one. Honestly ! There was a forest fire that started miles away and burned
it's way to the Capitol. A lot of
Barry,
I have not yet read any more recent comments that yours below, but I was
joking. It surely is all George. The kicker, as I think I mentioned, was the
sign off. Can anyone with any connection with Maharishi/TMO even remotely
imagine MMY signing off with Love, Maharishi?
Sorry if I got
It's eerie. I can just hear MMY talking as I read this - tone, words, cadence,
etc., is exactly as I remember Maharishi.
And the sign off at the end? Pure MMY
The TM Movement Going Forward ‹ 30th November 2014
http://www.30thnovember.com/tm-movement-going-forward/
Me bad. Talked to soon. Things are brewing over up on The Peak:
---In the_p...@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
dear Fearless Leader, I pray this is not a sign that the_peak is about to be
transformed into a slippery slope. A slippery slope greased by the idea that we
can assume how
I'm not that surprised. He's the Pied Piper and most of his TB followers who
took themselves away from FFL to join him (or at least to join his Dr. Jekyll
personality) have placed themselves in a position where if they criticize him,
they're showing themselves up to be idiots. I remember when
I love you, Buck. You're a great guy
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :
In Yahoo-groups guideline: Don't threaten.
in FairfieldLife Post #409764
Anartaxius threatens:
“This means real bullets.”
Bhairitu in FFL post # 409743 now maligns:
“..Buck is in a
Thanks very much, Seven. Yes, please intercede on my behalf. That would be
wonderful. Jim has not responded to my request to join The Peak. If you could
ask him why (or post this on The Peak), and get back to me that would be great.
I know I'm positively obsessed with Jim and Buck. I can't
I've known it's only a matter of time before Buck and Fleet would be back on
FFL to let off steam. The need to do so is in both of them, and they don't
have control over it - it's just a question of when.
Buck will spend a few days here, get it out of his system, and then go away
until the
Just saw this over on The Peak. Fleet is needing to put the knife in again.
So, to be in the presence of what I call an ego-maniac, is to witness someone
who tears down any sign of external spiritual progress, attacks religion, God,
and any organization dedicated to the rebirth of the soul in
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :
snip
Piss on America.
May the infidel dog bite the ankle of the Great Satan!
Hi. It's about 30 years ago since we had the conversations that I referred to
earlier. Too long to remember the nuances of our conversations now, and also I
don't have the interest. So, I'll leave it to the Vedic scientists here to
argue.
Anyway, one of Tony's views at that time (and also
That's correct, you really shouldn't post unless you promise to begin TM 'at
your earliest convenience'.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote :
Here's an article that discusses points discussed here on the France attack,
reprinted from the New York Times in the Seattle
'No reply needed'?
Looks like a drive-by attack, badly disguised as a question. Letting of steam?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote :
Well, had to click on this.pretty cute cow, I'd say. Barry, what *are* you
interested in? Why do you post here? Can you just
This is the second time in 40 minutes that you've Gotta go. So, off you go
then.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote :
H...drive-by attack? Lighten up - if I was on the attack, I'd do better
than this. I was just showing my love. Ha. The letting of
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote :
snip
Here is a way to test his seriousness. Answer this question: Did Maharishi mean
the connection between the unified field in physics to be an analogy, or was he
equating the two? Try to make a case for your choice. If you
Absolutely. I give FFL a week and then it will naturally just fade away. I
suppose there is a small possibility that FFL might last until the end of
January, I'll give you that, but if it does it will be just Barry and nobody
else.
Oh, and also by the end of January, Jim will be back for a
Indian worker 'takes 24-year sickie'
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-30722515
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-30722515
Indian worker 'takes 24-year sickie'
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-30722515 The Indian government sacks a
civil servant who it says went on
Michael, I guessed that you were joking. I suppose it didn't come across, but I
was suggesting you do a Richard Williams and start posting posting inane things
like (in this case), 'east facing doors' or 'south facing windows', with
captions like we wen through this door or we saw this window'.
Do you have a This is me at my south facing window to post? Or, maybe even a
video?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
My main entrance used to face east, but I blocked it up after I got on FFL and
now I climb in and out of a south facing window.
From:
#26:
About 28-29 Jim-free days on FFL each month followed by 1-2 days when he comes
over here to act out, versus 28-29 days of Jim and 1-2 days of RR.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
#23 No TM nostalgia on FFL, like what Maharishi said on what Rishikesh
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
#23 No TM nostalgia on FFL, like what Maharishi said on what Rishikesh course
about Vyasa or Vasistha.
#24 No more updates about the latest crop circles and messages from aliens.
#25 No more messages about the next or
#26:
About 28-29 Jim-free days on FFL each month followed by 1-2 days when he comes
over here to act out, versus 28-29 days of Jim and 2-3 days of RR.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
#23 No TM nostalgia on FFL, like what Maharishi said on what Rishikesh
I don't want to start any unsubstantiated rumors or anything like that, but
I've just talked to someone who applied to join the_peak.
12. Your peak badge will be revoked if you're found to be visiting the forums
of other saints.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
#22 (?). The Peak has This is a window at Walmart. We stopped here today but
didn't go in posts, and FFL doesn't (anymore)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
10 MORE reasons why FFL is better, and the_peak sucks FFL has better parties.
We serve booze at them and
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :
Just a couple points as I go through it:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote :
The moderator of the Peak comes over here for drive bys when he wants to get
his nasty on. After provoking the group
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :
Just a couple points as I go through it:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote :
The moderator of the Peak comes over here for drive bys when he wants to get
his nasty on. After provoking the group
It will interesting to see if he can hold back on his posts to that other forum
that we're all obsessed about over here. My guess is that he won't be able to
do so.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :
On 01/04/2015 12:35 PM, salyavin808 wrote:
---In
Fair point, I agree. And when I did call him out on his 'inconsistent ways'
directly, he responded with that verve and spirit for which we all love him. He
even invited me to join his forum so that I could debate with him. Maybe the
direct way is the way to go in the future.
Although Jim
On herding alone be thy attention,
Never on its outcomes.
Let not the rewards of herding be thy motive,
Nor be thy attachment to non-herding.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote :
cowboys herding cats http://youtu.be/Pk7yqlTMvp8
What I am about to say may well have been argued to death given the number of
posts that I’ve still to read, but here goes.
Jim, you say you have a right to post to this group to defend yourself [see
below]. I’m down with that. However, I see that four people in your group
responded
I guess I'm not the only one seeing the disparity in tone between Jim's posts
on The Peak and his post on FFL
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/the_peak/conversations/messages/1089
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/the_peak/conversations/messages/1089
Cardozy and his insults have been
Geez, Jim, what's going on with you? Seriously.
You left FFL with a post titled 'Rick: Until Barry is removed, Goodbye', and
saying that FFL 'was no longer a healthy environment for anyone to participate
in'.
You founded 'The Peak' which you wanted to be 'without the over the top
Maybe I'm being a bit too sensitive, but the reverse_archery moniker suggests
to me a cheap shot at Rick Archer which isn't needed.
The changes reported in the NBC news pieces are as follows:
79% reduction in suspensions, 93% increase in attendance, 0.4 increase on 4.0
point scale (10% increase) in GPA over four years in School one.
75% reduction in suspensions and a move from the bottom in academic performance
in SF to
Oh for Chrissakes. Then, just go away, leave the group, go p*ss somewhere else.
Nope, posting to this forum of Rick's any of a current of real things about
Fairfield, Iowa and the meditating community here is too much like casting
pearls before the swine or trying to turn a sow's ear in to a
On this first day of winter when all of us old meditators are being mercilessly
into the depths of black hell darkness and demonic evil negativity here on FFl,
I suggest that we have a period of silence ending at 12:01am on January 11th. I
further suggest that the silence last for a full 108
On this first day of winter when all of us old meditators are being mercilessly
into the depths of black hell darkness and demonic evil negativity here on FFl,
I suggest that we have a period of silence ending at 12:01am on January 12th. I
further suggest that the silence last for a full 108
I agree. Even the Old Testament has many references to a fair field.
“For the fruit felleth from the spirit, and the field of blood turneth to a
fair field, unto this day.” [Obadiah 5:34]
Sincerely,
The OT Prophets
Naveb, Sirrom, Jarmar Nilegah
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
We agree. Even the Old Testament has many references to a fair field.
“For the fruit felleth from the spirit, and the field of blood turneth to a
fair field, unto this day.” [Obadiah 5:34]
Sincerely,
The OT Prophets
Naveb, Sirrom, Jarmar Nilegah
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
Dear Rick. I pray that in this time when both Old and New Testament believers
float in the Dead Sea of self-aware vacuum states of Big Self vedic molecules,
I implore that you do as the prophets Naveb and Sirrom did when they expelled
those who worshipped false gods from the Golden Temples, and
Naveb and Sirrom. Jarmar Nilegah.
I'm sorry. Even though I've been faithfully doing 40 years of TM, I'm not as
sharp as I used to be.
Sometimes I get the Old Testament prophets confused. I can hardly believe it. I
used to know them so well. Now, sometimes I even spell their names completely
Rick, in the spirit of this season, I ask you to lead in a spirit of moral
upstandingness, as the Old Testament prophets Sirrom and Nevab expelled the
vile speakers and negetators from the Great Temple in Jerusalem, and led their
people from the desert and dry stones of blasphemy, and bile; to
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