Angela Mailander wrote:
...who will do all the grunt work for us so
we can meditate all day?
You and Curtis have really dropped the ball
on this discussion. I really expected you two
to do your homework before you blasted off with
all this misinformation about the 'class' system
and
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Angela Mailander wrote:
...who will do all the grunt work for us so
we can meditate all day?
You and Curtis have really dropped the ball
on this discussion. I really expected you two
to do your
Curtis wrote:
Can you show me one example of Guru Dev saying
something outside the orthodox tradition that
spawned him, and thousands of others like him?
It has already been established that we don't know
what SBS said about much of anything, Curtis, since
we can't understand much Hindi, but
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Curtis wrote:
Can you show me one example of Guru Dev saying
something outside the orthodox tradition that
spawned him, and thousands of others like him?
It has already been established that we don't
Curtis wrote:
The original point of mine which is getting lost
is that Guru Dev was just another traditional
religious guy spouting traditional religious
crap including his support for the caste system
of INDIA.
But wasn't Gandhi just another 'traditional religious
guy' who read from
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Curtis wrote:
The original point of mine which is getting lost
is that Guru Dev was just another traditional
religious guy spouting traditional religious
crap including his support for the caste system
Can you cite a single religious teacher from India
that supported the corrupted Indian caste system?
Curtis wrote:
Guru Dev.
So, where is the evidence? That's all I'm asking. I
might be willing to take your word for it, but I'd
really like to see some evidence. Maybe an excerpt
from one
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson
Irmeli.Mattsson@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
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Again, I'd suggest that what you're calling hair-
splitting is
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
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One more time: You might want to ask yourself why you
feel the need to attack me personally when my previous
posts were entirely polite and
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson
Irmeli.Mattsson@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
snip
One more time: You might want to ask yourself why you
feel the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
Post # 91477 was your first response on my analysis of MMY's
talk. I didn't answer to you, because I felt your comment was
stupid. You kept later on demanding answer on that.
I asked you, politely, twice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
A governor friend told me MMY also said the children
would not be able to cognize the Vedas.
As if he can. :-)
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Regarding caste, Maharishi said at Amherst in 1971
The caste system is always promoted and lauded by
the members of the upper two castes, and never by
the lower ones. That should tell you something
about its real intent.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A governor friend told me MMY also said the children
would not be able to cognize the Vedas.
What does that mean?
That they are unable to transcend?
Ot that they can transcend but are unable to recall
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The caste system is always promoted and lauded by
the members of the upper two castes, and never by
the lower ones. That should tell you something
about its real intent.
Except that it is entirely possible taht MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
The caste system is always promoted and lauded by
the members of the upper two castes, and never by
the lower ones. That should tell you something
On Mar 21, 2006, at 3:50 AM, sparaig wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The caste system is always promoted and lauded by
the members of the upper two castes, and never by
the lower ones. That should tell you something
about its real
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson
Irmeli.Mattsson@ wrote:
snip
P.S.When I read your posts I have quite often got the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
snip
Absolutely. But that form of elitism is no worse than
the one at the heart of the Indian caste system. Elitism
is elitism. IMO trying to
On Mar 21, 2006, at 2:53 AM, Irmeli Mattsson wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you want to have your mind blown
in regards to why democracy is an aberration and how the caste
system
reflects the real natural condition of society, you should
On Mar 21, 2006, at 4:14 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
My point is that justifications of the Indian caste
system tend to come from members of the two castes
who are deemed fit to rule. So *of course* they're
in favor of preserving a system that keeps them and
their kids in power. It's a status quo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
Absolutely. But that form of elitism is no worse than
the one at the heart of the Indian caste system. Elitism
is elitism. IMO trying to justify it on the basis of who
is more highly evolved vs. less highly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mar 21, 2006, at 3:50 AM, sparaig wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@
wrote:
The caste system is always promoted and lauded by
the members of the upper two castes, and never by
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mar 21, 2006, at 4:14 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
My point is that justifications of the Indian caste
system tend to come from members of the two castes
who are deemed fit to rule. So *of course* they're
in favor of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
On Mar 21, 2006, at 4:14 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
My point is that justifications of the Indian caste
system tend to come from members of the two castes
On Mar 21, 2006, at 8:03 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mar 21, 2006, at 4:14 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
My point is that justifications of the Indian caste
system tend to come from members of the two castes
who are deemed fit
on 3/21/06 1:10 AM, Irmeli Mattsson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Regarding caste, Maharishi said at Amherst in 1971 that he opposed
interracial marriage because the best qualities of both races are
lost in
the
On Mar 21, 2006, at 8:09 AM, Vaj wrote:
As I suggested before, I'd highly recommend people read Danielou's
work on the subject, not only to have your mind blown, but also as a
kind of back door view into the real mind of Swami Brahmananda
Saraswati before he embraced a position espousing
--- peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Another way to put this is to say that the outcome
of mixing two (or
more) races is based on the lowest common
denomimator found with each
race.
And what knowledge background is this opinion based
on? Do you know anything about genetics? Genetics
On Mar 21, 2006, at 8:56 AM, sparaig wrote:
Which is MMY's stated reason for pricing TMout of the range of normal
people: appeal to the elite who need to grow spiritually *at least*
as much as the poor.
That's also why many devout Hindus consider him a seller of the
Vedas whose eventual
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mar 21, 2006, at 8:56 AM, sparaig wrote:
Which is MMY's stated reason for pricing TMout of the range of
normal
people: appeal to the elite who need to grow spiritually *at least*
as much as the poor.
That's also
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@
wrote:
The caste system is always promoted and lauded by
the members of the upper two
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mar 21, 2006, at 8:09 AM, Vaj wrote:
As I suggested before, I'd highly recommend people read Danielou's
work on the subject, not only to have your mind blown, but also as a
kind of back door view into the real mind
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mar 21, 2006, at 4:14 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
My point is that justifications of the Indian caste
system tend to come from members of the two castes
who are deemed fit to rule. So *of course* they're
in favor of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@
wrote:
snip
Absolutely. But that form of elitism is no worse than
the one at the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@
wrote:
snip
Absolutely. But that form of elitism is no worse than
the one at the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson
Irmeli.Mattsson@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff no_reply@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@
wrote:
snip
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wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff no_reply@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
snip
Again, I'd suggest that what you're calling hair-
splitting is in fact analysis of the facts, premises,
assumptions, and logic of a
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff no_reply@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
In this vein, I would guess most artists are sudras. Including
filmmakers. And actors. and musicians.
Yes they are.
So the Academy and Gramy Awards
are great extravaganzas of noted sudras. And much of the
It means *cognize* the Vedas, in other words, growing
up as a rishi who can see the Vedas. More than your
average enlightened seer.
--- peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A governor friend told me MMY also
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
snip
Judy:I can think of quite a few people that I don't understand
how anyone with their full mental faculties could take
seriously, whom no one
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
However, I think your primitive Hindu fundamentalist/
mildly retarded in his mental faculties is a false
dichotomy; and I don't necessarily agree with your
assertion that because he doesn't put things in groups
the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson
Irmeli.Mattsson@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
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Judy:I can think of quite a few people that I don't understand
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson
Irmeli.Mattsson@ wrote:
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I think that you would also perceive these fallacies, if
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
P.S.When I read your posts I have quite often got the impression
that you excersice hairsplitting to divert attention away from the
main theme or the main problem the poster is successfully
presenting. When
Regarding caste, Maharishi said at Amherst in 1971 that he opposed
interracial marriage because the best qualities of both races are lost in
the offspring. Also, he is alleged to have opposed the geographic
intermingling of races, when it was brought to his attention that this was
sometimes a
On Mar 20, 2006, at 12:26 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
Regarding caste, Maharishi said at Amherst in 1971 that he opposed
interracial marriage because the best qualities of both races are
lost in
the offspring. Also, he is alleged to have opposed the geographic
intermingling of races, when it
A governor friend told me MMY also said the children
would not be able to cognize the Vedas.
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Regarding caste, Maharishi said at Amherst in 1971
that he opposed
interracial marriage because the best qualities of
both races are lost in
the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Regarding caste, Maharishi said at Amherst in 1971 that he opposed
interracial marriage because the best qualities of both races are
lost in
the offspring. Also, he is alleged to have opposed the geographic
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson
Irmeli.Mattsson@ wrote:
snip
P.S.When I read your posts I have quite often got the impression
that you excersice hairsplitting to divert attention away from the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Regarding caste, Maharishi said at Amherst in 1971 that he opposed
interracial marriage because the best qualities of both races are
lost in
the offspring. Also, he is alleged to have opposed the geographic
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Danielou points out that a society who bases education and training
for jobs on IQ testing are essentially already recognizing and
recreating a new caste system based on an individuals innate skills
and karma.
***
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
P.S.: Irmeli, you might want to think about why you
felt the need to launch an ad hominem attack at me
when my responses to you contained no ad hominem at
all.
I have not the slightest idea what
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you want to have your mind blown
in regards to why democracy is an aberration and how the caste system
reflects the real natural condition of society, you should read this
book. From this POV, the idea that all
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
MMY says here: Those who do not know, they can say anything. Like
a
mad man, they can say anything. I think he is by that statement
subconsciously describing himself.
MMY has been successful in surrounding
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson
Irmeli.Mattsson@ wrote:
snip
he clearly is getting old and senile. Usually the nearest people
protect the elderly person from this kind of humiliation. I guess
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson
Irmeli.Mattsson@ wrote:
snip
he clearly is getting old and senile. Usually the nearest
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson
Irmeli.Mattsson@ wrote:
snip
MMY says here: Those who do not know, they can say anything. Like
a
mad man, they can say anything. I think he is by that
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson
Irmeli.Mattsson@ wrote:
snip
he clearly is getting old and senile. Usually the nearest
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson
Irmeli.Mattsson@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Question - - - - - - - - - - In your vedic system, India establish caste
system. If so, is this most harmful for society?
Maharishi - - - - - - - - - -(Laughs) Caste is not harmful. That
is what
which makes a
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Question - - - - - - - - - - In your vedic system, India establish caste
system. If so, is this most harmful for society?
Maharishi - - - - - - - - - -(Laughs) Caste is not harmful. That
is what
which makes a
on 3/18/06 10:15 AM, Irmeli Mattsson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
MMY has been successful in surrounding himself with yes-men. That
success has however created a situation were he can get no critical
assessment and he is totally free to publicly humiliate himself, when
he clearly is getting
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
Caste in India is a rigid system of social classes based on birth.
This rigidity brings with it awful, unnatural tensions.
I wonder what he means when he says, We want to
eliminate all the different caste.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@
wrote:
Question - - - - - - - - - - In your vedic system, India
establish caste
system. If so, is this most harmful for society?
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