[FairfieldLife] Re: TM makes one more neurotically disturbed?

2006-07-17 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: [...] But at a certain point, Occam's razor comes into play; the different experience premise may multiply entities beyond necessity. The explanation

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM makes one more neurotically disturbed?

2006-07-17 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would say that the same phenomenon would be present in research on any technique of meditation in which the meditators were devoted practitioners of the technique being researched. They already know what they're

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM makes one more neurotically disturbed?

2006-07-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I would say that the same phenomenon would be present in research on any technique of meditation in which the meditators were devoted practitioners

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM makes one more neurotically disturbed?

2006-07-17 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: [...] But at

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM makes one more neurotically disturbed?

2006-07-17 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: [...] But at a certain point, Occam's razor comes into play; the different

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM makes one more neurotically disturbed?

2006-07-17 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I would say that the same phenomenon would be present in research on any technique of meditation in which the meditators were devoted practitioners

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM makes one more neurotically disturbed?

2006-07-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM makes one more neurotically disturbed?

2006-07-17 Thread Peter
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are plenty of scenarios where any number of states might have no qualities that one can remember. If you can't remember any qualities, than its a state without qualities. And pure consciousness has no qualities. It is outside of the mind. The

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM makes one more neurotically disturbed?

2006-07-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are plenty of scenarios where any number of states might have no qualities that one can remember. If you can't remember any qualities, than its a state without

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM makes one more neurotically disturbed?

2006-07-17 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- sparaig sparaig@ wrote: There are plenty of scenarios where any number of states might have no qualities that one can remember.

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM makes one more neurotically disturbed?

2006-07-16 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i posted this original post as a joke. But with a serious point. Something Barry touched on earlier. We take target or desired physiological parameters as a given -- with scant justification -- though admittedly often

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM makes one more neurotically disturbed?

2006-07-16 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: i posted this original post as a joke. But with a serious point. Something Barry touched on earlier. We take target or desired physiological

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM makes one more neurotically disturbed?

2006-07-16 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: i posted this original post as a joke. But with a serious point. Something

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM makes one more neurotically disturbed?

2006-07-16 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: i

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM makes one more neurotically disturbed?

2006-07-16 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: ---

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM makes one more neurotically disturbed?

2006-07-16 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: i posted this original post as a joke. But with a serious point. Something

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM makes one more neurotically disturbed?

2006-07-16 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] But at a certain point, Occam's razor comes into play; the different experience premise may multiply entities beyond necessity. The explanation that the TMers are experiencing the same thing as what is reported

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM makes one more neurotically disturbed?

2006-07-16 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: [...] But at a certain point, Occam's razor comes into play; the different experience premise may multiply entities beyond necessity. The explanation

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM makes one more neurotically disturbed?

2006-07-16 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: [...] But at a certain point, Occam's razor comes into play; the different

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM makes one more neurotically disturbed?

2006-07-15 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.psychosomaticmedicine.org/cgi/content/abstract/46/4/347 This study attempted to follow up this finding and hypothesized that a group of neurotically disturbed patients would have a higher S value

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM makes one more neurotically disturbed?

2006-07-15 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 15, 2006, at 2:09 PM, new.morning wrote: http://www.psychosomaticmedicine.org/cgi/content/abstract/46/4/347 This study attempted to follow up this finding and hypothesized that a group of neurotically

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM makes one more neurotically disturbed?

2006-07-15 Thread new . morning
i posted this original post as a joke. But with a serious point. Something Barry touched on earlier. We take target or desired physiological parameters as a given -- with scant justification -- though admittedly often with basic common sense. Just because brain waves become coherent, or low-S

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM makes one more neurotically disturbed?

2006-07-15 Thread Robert Gimbel
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 15, 2006, at 2:09 PM, new.morning wrote: http://www.psychosomaticmedicine.org/cgi/content/abstract/46/4/347 This study attempted to follow up this finding and hypothesized that a group of neurotically