On Dec 23, 2005, at 7:30 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 23, 2005, at 12:01 AM, bbrigante wrote: his generous service to the world. What service might that be? Bob has a tendency to redefine words and concepts to match his
on 12/23/05 12:30 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maharishi walked away from middle class life after he left college,
to live a simple life, sleeping on the ground outside Guru Dev's
door. After Guru Dev
on 12/22/05 11:57 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Was the Bentley the one that I heard Vesey Crighton gave to MMY?
Didn't know Vesey gave it, but it could be.
I had heard that he gave him either a Bentley or a Rolls...and I
could never understand that (assuming the story to be
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
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on 12/23/05 12:30 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bob is dealing in fantasy. When Maharishi was in the
US for the first Merv TV show, the hotel bill for
his four days' stay at the Beverly Wilshire
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I bet someplace, somewhere, there's a jivan mukta
blazing in the brilliance of Brahman who would
miserably fail this test.
Just because someone's 'jivan mukta' also doesn't mean that you have
to agree with them, follow
How about, teaching TM around the world to many thousands of people and
changing their lives for the better?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Dec 23, 2005, at 12:01 AM, bbrigante wrote:
his generous service to the world.
What service might that
On Dec 23, 2005, at 12:28 PM, feste37 wrote:How about, teaching TM around the world to many thousands of people and changing their lives for the better? If it were for free, that would be generous. I honestly doubt if he were so generous as you claim, he wouldn't be a billionaire nor have
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Dec 23, 2005, at 12:28 PM, feste37 wrote:
How about, teaching TM around the world to many thousands of
people and changing their lives for the better?
If it were for free, that would be generous. I honestly doubt
On Dec 23, 2005, at 1:49 PM, authfriend wrote:I wonder how much was given to the Tsunami victims or the victims of 9/11 by him? No, you don't wonder at all. There are many charitable organizations and individuals that have given money to victims of the tsunami and 9/11 (and Katrina, and many
Very well said.
**
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Dec 23, 2005, at 12:28 PM, feste37 wrote:
How about, teaching TM around the world to many thousands of
people and
ldLife] Re: the false guru testBob has a tendency to redefine words and concepts to match his preconceptions. So 'service' in this case may be his tendency to relieve his followers of the burden of that hotbed of evil, money. :-) It's similar to his redefinition of what 'not living in lux
Generosity is the giving of your time and talents to help improve the lives of
others. I would say MMY passes that test to all but the most cynical observers.
It seems that you see no value at all in what he has done. I would call you a
TN (true nonbeliever), which is a bit like being a TB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Generosity is the giving of your time and talents to help improve
the lives of
others. I would say MMY passes that test to all but the most cynical
observers.
It seems that you see no value at all in what he has done. I
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Dec 23, 2005, at 1:49 PM, authfriend wrote:
I wonder how much was given to the Tsunami victims or the
victims of 9/11 by him?
No, you don't wonder at all.
There are many charitable organizations and
Judy,
How, exactly, will the amount of people practicing TM affect the number of tsunamis, (or anything else relating to them) seeing as how the cause of those are far beneath the ocean? Yes, I know the silliness the TMO tries to perpetrate on how we can affect natural disasters, but do you
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Judy,
How, exactly, will the amount of people practicing TM affect the
number of tsunamis, (or anything else relating to them) seeing as
how the cause of those are far beneath the ocean? Yes, I know the
silliness
Yes, I am aware of the TMO dogma regarding stress in the atmosphere, as I said. That is why I am asking--do you really believe that stress, as defined in human terms, is what is responsible for natural disasters, things that have been going on, by all accounts, for millions of years, long before
When the sea gods pick up a sattvic cosmic vibe, they smile and there
is like rad 10-15 ft perfect glassy waves with unbelievable and
awesomely radical endless pipes, huge papayas gently falling when you
are hungry, and ever righteous babes everywhere on the beach.
And when there is a tamasic
Responses interleaved.
--- Sal Sunshine wrote:
Yes, I am aware of the TMO dogma regarding stress in the atmosphere,
as I said. That is why I am asking--do you really believe that stress,
as defined in human terms,
Maharishi's definition of stress is effectively a definition
of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Responses interleaved.
--- Sal Sunshine wrote:
Yes, I am aware of the TMO dogma regarding stress in the
atmosphere,
as I said. That is why I am asking--do you really believe that
stress,
as defined in
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hey, Bob Brigante, Did you say Exc. Bevan Morris has a
million dollar marble bathroom.??
Why should Maharishi be afraid of CIA.??
***
Guru Bev's old digs on campus
I think for every natural disaster that strikes, we should set up giant loudspeakers and blast either Barry Manilow or Ozzy at full volume right above the offending ocean, or mountain, or whatever else has the nerve to unstress on us. That would teach em.
Same thing with anyone who gives as
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Generosity is the giving of your time and talents to help improve
the lives of
others. I would say MMY passes that test to all but the most
cynical observers.
It seems that you see no value at all in what he has done.
swallowing Earth and Mars.!! Could we prevent this from happening.??OriginalMessage- From: "Sal Sunshine" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 14:56:35 -0600 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test Yes, I am aware of the TMO dogma regarding "
00 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru testGuru Bev's old digs on campus did contain an $18,000 marble bathroom -- however, he now lives in Vedic City when he's not in Vlodrop -- no word on the marbleness of his toilet.Maharishi was a target of the CIA because he was targeted by that pean
This is not the case--but I honestly don't think you'll convince many people at all that if you give money to Mahesh or practice his McMeditation you're going to stop tsunamis.On Dec 23, 2005, at 3:19 PM, feste37 wrote:Generosity is the giving of your time and talents to help improve the lives
On Dec 23, 2005, at 3:38 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote:Ted Turner is another example. He paved the way for world-wide, instant news (while it currently has it excesses, overall it is a great development, IMO.) And he had given much of his fortune away. Over one billion I think to the UN. When we were
On Dec 23, 2005, at 3:41 PM, authfriend wrote: Are you implying they/he gave nothing? Not even a small amount? I'm sure many have died due to these faulty beliefs--really just extortion schemes. No, they died due to the disasters, as you know. No, I was referring specifically to people
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Yes, I am aware of the TMO dogma regarding stress in the
atmosphere,
as I said. That is why I am asking--do you really believe that
stress,
as defined in human terms, is what is responsible for natural
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
When the sea gods pick up a sattvic cosmic vibe, they smile and
there is like rad 10-15 ft perfect glassy waves with unbelievable
and awesomely radical endless pipes, huge papayas gently falling
when you are
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I think for every natural disaster that strikes, we should set up
giant
loudspeakers and blast either Barry Manilow or Ozzy at full volume
right above the offending ocean, or mountain, or whatever else has
the
On Dec 23, 2005, at 4:41 PM, authfriend wrote:
Speaking of silly, I've always thought it's pretty silly
to conflate a person reporting what someone else has said,
with that person *advocating* what they are reporting
someone else said.
Yep. I know it's totally silly and almost unthinkable
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Dec 23, 2005, at 3:41 PM, authfriend wrote:
Are you implying they/he gave
nothing? Not even a small amount?
I'm sure many have died due to these faulty beliefs--really just
extortion schemes.
No, they died
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Dec 23, 2005, at 4:41 PM, authfriend wrote:
Speaking of silly, I've always thought it's pretty silly
to conflate a person reporting what someone else has said,
with that person *advocating* what they are
You're evading the point and also attributing to me an argument I never put
forward.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is not the case--but I honestly don't think you'll convince many
people at all that if you give money to Mahesh or practice his
OK, Judy, so you don't believe what you stated below, you're simply reporting what some else has said even though you state that it seems as good an explanation as any (Which begs the question, what other explanations for natural disasters have you read--I mean, other than DC Comics?)
> > > >
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Dec 23, 2005, at 4:41 PM, authfriend wrote:
Speaking of silly, I've always thought it's pretty silly
to conflate a person reporting what someone else has said,
with that person *advocating* what they are
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Dec 23, 2005, at 4:41 PM, authfriend wrote:
Speaking of silly, I've always thought it's pretty silly
to conflate a person
Hey, don't go knocking DC comics now. It might upset the Sea Gods.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
OK, Judy, so you don't believe what you stated below, you're simply
reporting what some else has said even though you state that it
seems as good an
Perish the thought. I loved em.
Sal
On Dec 23, 2005, at 5:36 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote:
Hey, don't go knocking DC comics now. It might upset the Sea Gods.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> OK, Judy, so you don't believe what you stated below,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
When the sea gods pick up a sattvic cosmic vibe, they smile and
there is like rad 10-15 ft perfect glassy waves with unbelievable
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Dec 23, 2005, at 4:41 PM, authfriend wrote:
Speaking of silly, I've always thought it's pretty silly
to conflate a
.
OriginalMessage-
From: bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 21:23:15 -
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
Guru Bev's old digs on campus did contain an $18,000 marble
bathroom -- however, he now lives in Vedic City when he's
in Iran.
He allowed Ayatholla Khomeni to take power. I think, he sent just
three helicopters.
OriginalMessage-
From: bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 21:23:15 -
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
Guru Bev's
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
OK, Judy, so you don't believe what you stated below, you're simply
reporting what some else has said even though you state that it
seems as good an explanation as any (Which begs the question,
what other
On Dec 23, 2005, at 7:04 PM, authfriend wrote:
> OK, Judy, so you don't believe what you stated below, you're simply
> reporting what some else has said even though you state that it
> seems as good an explanation as any (Which begs the question,
> what other explanations for natural
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
OK, Judy, so you don't believe what you stated below, you're simply
reporting what some else has said even though you state that it
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Dec 23, 2005, at 7:04 PM, authfriend wrote:
OK, Judy, so you don't believe what you stated below, you're simply
reporting what some else has said even though you state that it
seems as good an
On Dec 23, 2005, at 7:45 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote:
Damn. A response without insults or patronization etc. SAL! You don't
know how to play this game, do you?!!!
I guess not. Obviously, I'm tired. I think you got it all pinned down pretty well--insults, rude remarks, sarcasm...that's an astute
No, no Sal. That's why Mahesh and crew don't need to donate at such a gross level, they believe this. Judy's not sure what she believes. Or so her posts indicate.On Dec 23, 2005, at 8:36 PM, Sal Sunshine wrote:On Dec 23, 2005, at 7:04 PM, authfriend wrote: OK, Judy, so you don't believe what
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Dec 23, 2005, at 7:04 PM, authfriend wrote:
OK, Judy, so you don't believe what you stated below, you're
simply reporting what some else has said even though you
state that it seems as good an
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine
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OK, Judy, so you don't believe what you stated
on 12/23/05 6:21 PM, matrixmonitor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
---Yeah but the Fundie's have won the battle (not the long term war).
Since Carter's Presidency, the Fundies have more or less Shangheid the
executive branch of government, with plenty of right-wing big brass
Fundies (even going
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine
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On Dec 23, 2005, at 7:04 PM, authfriend wrote:
OK, Judy, so you don't believe what you stated below, you're
simply
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine
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OK, Judy, so you don't believe what you stated
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine
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On Dec 23, 2005, at 7:04 PM, authfriend wrote:
On Dec 23, 2005, at 10:06 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote:
Though, to be honest, I am not sure why neither of you thinks its wise
to be (or even pretend to be) the better person and say ok, it get
the point you were making and then bite your tongue -- not dwell on
phrasing -- which seems to be more
Yep, far better to give at the level of the root, (ie to MMY) than at that gross level where they might actually help someone in need. And this is what passes for logic in the TMO.
Sal
On Dec 23, 2005, at 8:48 PM, Vaj wrote:
No, no Sal. That's why Mahesh and crew don't need to donate at such
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine
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On Dec 23, 2005, at 10:06 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote:
Though, to be honest, I am not sure why neither of you thinks
its wise
to be (or even pretend to be) the better person and say ok, it
get
the point you
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Yep, far better to give at the level of the root, (ie to MMY)
For the record, I don't give anything to the TMO
or to MMY.
than at
that gross level where they might actually help someone in need. And
this is what
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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OK, Judy, so you don't believe what
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yep, far better to give at the level of the root, (ie to MMY)
For the record, I don't give anything to the TMO
or to MMY.
than at
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
---Yeah but the Fundie's have won the battle (not the long term
war).
Since Carter's Presidency, the Fundies have more or less Shangheid
the
executive branch of government, with plenty of right-wing big brass
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
Maharishi was a target of the CIA
This is utter, unproven crap.
There is ZERO evidence -- and never
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor
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[snip]
Maharishi was a target of the CIA
This is utter, unproven crap.
Not to mention being a fantasy based in self
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor
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Somebody - some remarkable Guru - must appear on the scene with a
visible demonstration of Siddhis.
Why should the performance of
On Dec 21, 2005, at 7:36 PM, braaahmaan wrote:Ok then.Its certainly not a mandatory thing. If its useful, fine, if not move on and go with whatever enlightenment proclaiming, thin-skinned, easily insulted, unaccountable, goal not practice teaching, hypocritical, plagarizing,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Dec 21, 2005, at 7:36 PM, braaahmaan wrote:
Ok then.Its certainly not a mandatory thing. If its useful,
fine, if
not move on and go with whatever enlightenment proclaiming,
thin-skinned, easily insulted,
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On Dec 21, 2005, at 7:36 PM, braaahmaan wrote:
Ok then.Its certainly not a mandatory thing. If
its useful, fine, if
not move on and go with whatever enlightenment
proclaiming,
thin-skinned, easily insulted, unaccountable, goal
not practice
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Excellent list. Could be used for major and minor gurus.
To me, it reads more like a Test of Characteristics I Don't Think
Gurus Should
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Excellent list. Could be used for major and minor
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--- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Dec 21, 2005, at 7:36 PM, braaahmaan wrote:
Ok then.Its certainly not a mandatory thing. If
its useful, fine, if
not move on and go with whatever enlightenment
on 12/22/05 8:51 AM, markmeredith2002 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Seems to me #s 2,3,6,13,14,15,16,17,20,21,23,24,25, and 26 apply.
And I'm not even including the outrageous titles point, which MMY
gives liberally to others but not himself,
He didn't object to being called Maharishi, may have
on 12/22/05 10:00 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I can't figure out how anybody could reasonably justify
applying the opulence criterion, for example.
Have you ever been in his private suite? Flown on the Movement's Boeing 707
(now sold), ridden in his Bentley?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Seems to me #s 2,3,6,13,14,15,16,17,20,21,23,24,25, and 26 apply.
And I'm not even including the outrageous titles point, which MMY
gives liberally to others but not himself, or the questionable
linneage
On Dec 22, 2005, at 9:51 AM, markmeredith2002 wrote:Seems to me #s 2,3,6,13,14,15,16,17,20,21,23,24,25, and 26 apply. And I'm not even including the "outrageous titles" point, which MMY gives liberally to others but not himself, or the "questionable linneage" point, as the jyotir math
On Dec 22, 2005, at 11:07 AM, Rick Archer wrote:on 12/22/05 10:00 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't figure out how anybody could reasonably justify applying the "opulence" criterion, for example. Have you ever been in his private suite? Flown on the Movement's Boeing 707 (now
Certainly these points might be applied to cult leaders but not to a
guru. To my understanding a true guru has no need to be a guru, it is
the seeker that has the need for the guru. Therefore a clear test for
a guru might better be how much or how little are followers sought or
needed by them.
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on 12/22/05 8:51 AM, markmeredith2002 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Seems to me #s 2,3,6,13,14,15,16,17,20,21,23,24,25, and 26 apply.
And I'm not even including the outrageous titles point, which
MMY
gives
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Dec 22, 2005, at 11:07 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
on 12/22/05 10:00 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I can't figure out how anybody could reasonably justify
applying the opulence criterion, for example.
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on 12/22/05 10:00 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I can't figure out how anybody could reasonably
justify
applying the opulence criterion, for example.
Have you ever been in his private suite? Flown on
the Movement's Boeing 707
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip Since basically what he preaches is Neoadvaita with a
little Patanjali and Kashmir Shaivism mixed in as well as Dharma
shastra, perhaps a clearer way to look at this one is does he teach
effective Advaita vedanta or
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on 12/22/05 10:00 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I can't figure out how anybody could reasonably justify
applying the opulence criterion, for example.
Have you ever been in his private suite? Flown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
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on 12/22/05 8:51 AM, markmeredith2002 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Seems to me #s 2,3,6,13,14,15,16,17,20,21,23,24,25, and 26 apply.
On Dec 22, 2005, at 11:24 AM, jim_flanegin wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Since basically what he "preaches" is Neoadvaita with a little Patanjali and Kashmir Shaivism mixed in as well as Dharma shastra, perhaps a clearer way to look at this
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip Since basically what he preaches is Neoadvaita with a
little Patanjali and Kashmir Shaivism mixed in as well as Dharma
shastra, perhaps
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Dec 22, 2005, at 11:24 AM, jim_flanegin wrote:
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snip Since basically what he preaches is Neoadvaita with a
little Patanjali and Kashmir
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on 12/22/05 10:00 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I can't figure out how anybody could reasonably justify
applying the opulence criterion, for example.
Have you ever been in his private suite? Flown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason
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Certainly these points might be applied to cult leaders but not to a
guru. To my understanding a true guru has no need to be a guru, it is
the seeker that has the need for the guru. Therefore a clear test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
For #4, clearly M. gives an intro path and then talks on big E
but never gives the full path, esp. regarding the finer techniques
for realization, which are simply missing.
Unless the techniques he teaches are in
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on 12/22/05 8:51 AM, markmeredith2002 at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
For #4, clearly M. gives an intro path and then talks on big E
but never gives the full path, esp. regarding the finer
techniques
for
I just realized that this whole discussion of a
false guru is nonsense. Of what purpose are all
these criteria? Are these to be used to select a guru?
No, not as they are written. They are simply an
attempt by a mind to position itself in relationship
to a narrative it likes regarding gurus. They
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On Dec 22, 2005, at 11:42 AM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip For #4, clearly M. gives an intro path and then talks on big "E" but never gives the full path, esp. regarding the finer techniques for realization, which are simply missing.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I just realized that this whole discussion of a
false guru is nonsense. Of what purpose are all
these criteria? Are these to be used to select a guru?
No, not as they are written. They are simply an
attempt by a mind to
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