[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)

2005-07-25 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And to be caught up in revulsion towards your own genitals is even stranger. I find it very revealing that many in the TMO refer to the genitals as if they are something out there, and the phrase is usually accompanied

[FairfieldLife] Re: 2nd Day of Sat Yuga? Bollywood's Good Girls Learn to Be Bad

2005-07-25 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is your take, 108? My take is that it is all about an american plot to degenerate the civilized world, making it a mirror of their own perversities, including of course, India. They will fail, just like they

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Not that one can be out of the phenomenal realm. But

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Wnat I *do* want badly enough to spend the time day

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL

[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)

2005-07-25 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] but eventually, she whittled him down to a size that she could handle and

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread TurquoiseB
Wnat I *do* want badly enough to spend the time day after day doing program is to no longer be overshadowed. You aren't really. Its just a trick of the mind that you believe the duality- that there is something external to you. Its a common trick of

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wnat I *do* want badly enough to spend the time day after day doing program is to no longer be overshadowed. You aren't really. Its just a trick of the mind that you believe the

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: See? Attachment. so say we all... Actually, not all. The there is a path to enlightenment / there is something wrong with you that

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread Robert Gimbel
--Helping the world or being over-shadowed? Who is helping the world, and who is being overshadowed? If you mean, that you are helping the world when you are positive and loving, and you are not helping anything when you are in fear and seperation, and ego. Then, it is the same; you help the

[FairfieldLife] Levitation-Part II

2005-07-25 Thread Robert Gimbel
-- The ability to float the body, must come from the ability to maintain an extremely high vibration. As was mentioned before, I don't believe the ability to levitate or perform any of the Siddhis, can be as important than the goal of Self-Realization, or Enlightenment. Of course, how could

[FairfieldLife] Sat Yuga ushered in but what does that mean??

2005-07-25 Thread George DeForest
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[FairfieldLife] Satya yuga!

2005-07-25 Thread cardemaister
Throughout the entire conference, and especially on the day of celebration of the Guru, many achievements of this past year from around the world were offered back to Maharishi, Maharishi's master, Sri Guru Dev, and the Holy Tradition of Vedic Masters, the source of this great transformation

[FairfieldLife] Re: Levitation-Part II

2005-07-25 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- The ability to float the body, must come from the ability to maintain an extremely high vibration. As was mentioned before, I don't believe the ability to levitate or perform any of the Siddhis, can be as

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga ushered in but what does that mean??

2005-07-25 Thread TurquoiseB
It means that soon there will be new uniforms to supplement the Rajas' robes and crowns. If you can't come up with 3 mill to be a Raja, for only 100K you can become an Usher. You get a red uniform with a cute little usher's cap. And a flashlight. :-) To subscribe, send a message to:

[FairfieldLife] Sat yuga declared but not truly visible - wtf??

2005-07-25 Thread George DeForest
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[FairfieldLife] Sat Yuga ushered in but what does that mean??

2005-07-25 Thread George DeForest
Title: World Peace News: Top Stories Global celebrations usher in a time of peace and happiness for the world by GGN staff writer Global Good News Translate This Article 25 July 2005 On 25 July 2005 Global Good News reported:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Levitation-Part II

2005-07-25 Thread Patrick Gillam
Comments interleaved below. Robert Gimbel wrote: Even Jesus levitated only in front of his disciples.. Jesus did a lot of things that were out of the ordinary, but I don't recall levitation as being among them. Where did he levitate? TurquoiseB wrote: And thus the question arises,

[FairfieldLife] Re: 2nd Day of Sat Yuga? Bollywood's Good Girls Learn to Be Bad

2005-07-25 Thread Ingegerd
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is your take, 108? My take is that it is all about an american plot to degenerate the civilized world, making it a mirror of

Re: [FairfieldLife] IRRATIONAL TABOOS

2005-07-25 Thread Llundrub
It's really a waste of time to make drinking piss into such an esoteric religion. - Original Message - From: tantrayudha To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 12:32 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] IRRATIONAL TABOOS

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread Llundrub
IMO, this is called missing the point. It's the feeling of being overshadowed that isn't real. -It just depends doesn't it? For instance, a fish hawker comes home overshadowed by the smell of fish. That's not imagination to his wife. Though it might even be his imagination that he

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread Llundrub
But please do tell what I would get from studying Rama. You do know I have seen him a few times when I was a kid. As well as Pat Collins.I don't know exactly. In some ways his style would have seemed well suited to your personality. He seemed to push the envelope in his ways, and you

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread Llundrub
And does understanding that you are attachedto not perceiving the trick help you perceivethe trick? No, something *else* has to happen. I have the trick for you, but you wouldn't believe me. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to:

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The there is a path to enlightenment / there is something wrong with you that must be corrected if you're not experiencing enlightenment paradigm is *very* popular, but far from the only approach. In dealing with

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Even Guru Dev told his Master something like: first teach me to be self-sufficient, then teach me about enlightenment, so you're in good company. I'll have to look up the real quote - I think it's in The Whole

[FairfieldLife] Re: Levitation-Part II

2005-07-25 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comments interleaved below. Robert Gimbel wrote: Even Jesus levitated only in front of his disciples.. Jesus did a lot of things that were out of the ordinary, but I don't recall levitation as being

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread Peter Sutphen
--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And does understanding that you are attached to not perceiving the trick help you perceive the trick? No, something *else* has to happen. I have the trick for you, but you wouldn't believe me. And *that* is

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I like the fact that their approach doesn't deal with excuses. So many other techniques and traditions have an *excuse* for why more students don't realize enlightenment (they're full of stress, they're not serious

[FairfieldLife] Re: Levitation-Part II

2005-07-25 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comments interleaved below. Robert Gimbel wrote: Even Jesus levitated only in front of his disciples.. Jesus did a lot of

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip You can take it back as many levels as you like, but still the bottom line is that something *else* has to happen before you see through

[FairfieldLife] Re: Levitation-Part II

2005-07-25 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comments interleaved below. Robert Gimbel wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread Jeff Fischer
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip You can take it back as many levels as you like, but

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a very legitimate complaint about Advaitic approaches that fail to explain how an initial intellectual understanding that one is already enlightened can be utilized to trigger realization. If this

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The baggage from alt med is getting old for me. There's been a spate of spats and my opinion is they don't prove anything. As I pointed out in a previous post, you FFL old- timers have your own baggage. There

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread Peter Sutphen
--- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a very legitimate complaint about Advaitic approaches that fail to explain how an initial intellectual understanding that one is already enlightened can be

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a very legitimate complaint about Advaitic approaches that fail to explain how an initial intellectual understanding that one is

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Levitation-Part II

2005-07-25 Thread Peter Sutphen
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comments interleaved below. Robert Gimbel wrote: Even Jesus levitated only in

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread Llundrub
- Original Message - From: TurquoiseB To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 8:33 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" [EMAIL PROTECTED]...

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread L B Shriver
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I've been on this forum several months and have been subject to my share of putdowns. It's opinions. I'll let others decide for themselves which opinions are valuable or which ones are off the wall. The

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread Jeff Fischer
One thing I have noted is that any trace of judgementalism in one of my posts comes back to me a hundred fold. And I don't have to wait very long. L B S Isn't instant karma supposed to be a good thing? :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread Llundrub
\P.S.: The explanation should probably be givenby someone for whom the authentic inquiry hasactually triggered realization.\ All that there is, is God. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip But if one could for a second remember the qualities of consciousness when not in meditation and then realize that life simply cannot exist even when ignorant, outside of those qualities, and also accept that

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's it, pretty much. Some people come here to explore their views, others come to consolidate them. In my experiences, the pissing contests begin with those who come to consolidate. Very perceptive. Those who are

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread Robert Gimbel
--If it were that easy to Let Go of dogma, or anything else, that would be wonderful, wouldn't it. But, the lesson maybe, that which there is the most resistance to, is where we need to bust the presumption, and grow to a higher understanding. The less we hold to dogma, and assumptions, the

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --If it were that easy to Let Go of dogma, or anything else, that would be wonderful, wouldn't it. Hey, sometimes it take years to realize that some of our assumptions *came* from dogma, much less let go of them.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread Robert Gimbel
---Eckhart Tolle in all of his writings and experiences attempts to describe the enlightened state to the rest of us; he gives many examples of: how to become aware of what he calls Presence. Become aware of the witness, he tries to give immediate awareness of the Now Moment. I have found his

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread Llundrub
- Original Message - From: Robert Gimbel To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 10:53 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying? ---Eckhart Tolle in all of his writings and experiences attempts to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread Llundrub
In that regard, it's astonishing that *anybody*who has realized their enlightenment can teachthose still in ignorance to realize their ownenlightenment. It's the blind (blind to ignorance)leading the blind (blind to enlightenment).To the extent that one has faith in the lineage, and

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's it, pretty much. Some people come here to explore their views, others come to consolidate them. In my experiences, the pissing

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread Patrick Gillam
authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's like watching Doug Henning perform his close-up magic. Intellectually you know it's a trick, but that doesn't help you see through it, because it's so well done. Something *else* has to happen for you to perceive the trick. That's what

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread Peter Sutphen
--- lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Strange, simply strange how differently people read a person's intent. lurk You're not fooling anyone, lurk, with your constant snide put-downs of me! Ha! I'm onto you and your anti-TM ways. To subscribe, send a message to:

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's like watching Doug Henning perform his close-up magic. Intellectually you know it's a trick, but that doesn't help you see through it, because it's so well

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread L B Shriver
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: big snip Not much of an explanation, but I'm on the last few chapters of the new Harry Potter book, and that's much more important than spouting theory about enlightenment... :-) I agree most emphatically

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread Irmeli Mattsson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Wnat I *do* want badly enough to spend the time day

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which is why this intellectualization is useless, either for encouragement or for putting people down. All it does is push things back a level: Instead of having

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing I have noted is that any trace of judgementalism in one of my posts comes back to me a hundred fold. And I don't have to wait very long. L B S Isn't instant karma supposed to be a good thing?

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: \ P.S.: The explanation should probably be given by someone for whom the authentic inquiry has actually triggered realization. \ All that there is, is God. Grok. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's like watching Doug Henning perform his close-up magic. Intellectually you know it's a trick, but that doesn't help you see through it, because it's so well

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --If it were that easy to Let Go of dogma, or anything else, that would be wonderful, wouldn't it. But, the lesson maybe, that which there is the most resistance to, is where we need to bust the presumption, and

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's like watching Doug Henning perform his close-up magic. Intellectually you know it's a trick, but that doesn't help you see through it, because it's so well

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [...] I had a powerful awakening experience at age 16. At that time I didn't even know about the concepts of awakening or enlightenment. I had not practiced the kind of meditation, where your aim is to silence your mind. I don't ever

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In that regard, it's astonishing that *anybody* who has realized their enlightenment can teach those still in ignorance to realize their own enlightenment. It's the blind (blind to ignorance) leading the blind (blind

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's like watching Doug Henning perform his close-up magic. Intellectually you know it's

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's like watching Doug Henning perform his close-up magic. Intellectually you know it's a

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread Patrick Gillam
jim_flanegin wrote: Challenge ruthlessly, non-stop, every concept and idea and feeling of yourself and your world and everyone in it, until there is nothing left. Then you will wake up. That's how you did it, Jim? - Patrick Gillam To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jim_flanegin wrote: Challenge ruthlessly, non-stop, every concept and idea and feeling of yourself and your world and everyone in it, until there is nothing left. Then you will wake up. That's how you did

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --If it were that easy to Let Go of dogma, or anything else, that would be wonderful, wouldn't it. But, the lesson maybe, that which

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The enlightened remember what its like NOT to be enlightened Do they? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo!

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I could gain by loosening my attachment to attachment? I think so. snip What I was thinking of when I first wrote that was the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread Peter Sutphen
--- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's like watching Doug Henning perform his

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread Peter Sutphen
--- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip What I was thinking of when I first wrote that was the attachment we all have to *formula*. We'd all like to believe that there is something we can *do* -- a tech- nique, a mantra, some behavior we perform, some behavior we give up -- that

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread Vaj
On Jul 25, 2005, at 5:57 PM, Peter Sutphen wrote: Yes, theories of attachment are know to cause severe intellectual diarrhea and cramping in 73% of the 20 years or more meditating population in a recent double-blind study published in High-Ho India!. Shit! To subscribe, send a message

[FairfieldLife] How to get Enlightened

2005-07-25 Thread Peter Sutphen
Just be. Try that and if it doesn't work I'll post more. Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread Peter Sutphen
--- L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I've been on this forum several months and have been subject to my share of putdowns. It's opinions. I'll let others decide for themselves which

[FairfieldLife] was [Re: 'Levitation] awakening

2005-07-25 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I meant you were saying it to be helpful, not as a putdown. OK, got it. Yes, that's right. I mention it because it is the living truth. Which you admit to knowing intellectually already. If I had a nickel

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unity is seeing the same God within thee that one sees in me. Brahman is also recognizing the color of shirt you are wearing ;) If you can find a thee or me in Unity I'll mail you $50. To do that would be

[FairfieldLife] Religion Religious freedom

2005-07-25 Thread Jeff Fischer
Is religion good for the world? Should every country support religious freedom? In other areas of the world there is often not the level of religious freedom we enjoy in this country (USA). Curious about how people feel about this. Thanks. Jeff To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL

[FairfieldLife] Re: How to get Enlightened

2005-07-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just be. Try that and if it doesn't work I'll post more. Try to just be? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it's the attachment to there being some trick or something else that has to happen before we realize our enlightenment that seems to prevent the realization of enlightenment. I completely agree. Subtle (or

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Thanks for responding Rory. Your Nowness is always much appreciated! Thanks for sharing these, Jim! Your boundless appreciation is always much appreciated! :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I think my inner dialogues had moulded the ground for this transition. Can definitely relate, Irmeli -- after getting fed up with the carrot- on-a-stick and deciding to accept/insist on Perfection NOW, the

[FairfieldLife] was [Re: 'Levitation] awakening

2005-07-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip All the stories about our experience prior to awakening are rendered useless though, in my experience. Which may be why, as I've been suggesting, there's this huge disconnect between the enlightened and the

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nyah. The enlightened remember what its like NOT to be enlightened, snip Gotta say it's more like a memory of a memory of a memory -- not a lot of juice there. Rather, am continually surprised by people's steadfast

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it's the attachment to there being some trick or something else that has to happen before we realize our enlightenment that seems to

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread anonymousff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Moreover, even if I'd never encountered Barry prior to joining FFL, I'd find a lot of his behavior offensive and inappropriate. and I'll bet he's DAMN proud of it! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Thanks for responding Rory. Your Nowness is always much appreciated! Thanks for sharing these, Jim! Your boundless appreciation is

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I think my inner dialogues had moulded the ground for this transition. Can definitely relate, Irmeli -- after getting fed up

[FairfieldLife] was [Re: 'Levitation] awakening

2005-07-25 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip All the stories about our experience prior to awakening are rendered useless though, in my experience. Which may be why, as

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread Llundrub
Interesting! I am on the first few chapters of the new Harry Potter book myself :-)How very very interesting, my wife is reading it, and I will be reading it after. Wow. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it's the attachment to there being some trick or

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting! I am on the first few chapters of the new Harry Potter book myself :-) How very very interesting, my wife is reading it, and I will be reading it after. Wow. I take your point; how very unusual

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?

2005-07-25 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting! I am on the first few chapters of the new Harry Potter book myself :-) How very very interesting, my wife is

[FairfieldLife] was [Re: 'Levitation] awakening

2005-07-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip All the stories about our experience prior to

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