[FairfieldLife] Levitating, was: Re: Charlie Lutes in print audios clips]- sidhis practice

2006-02-15 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Levitating, was: Re: Charlie Lutes in print audios clips]- sidhis practice on 2/14/06 11:16 PM, Jamshad Ghanbar at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I meant in my previous mail does not concern people who meditate TM or practice TM- Siddhis. My friends whom are levitating here are Sufis

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - Sidhis Health

2006-02-15 Thread Rick Archer
on 2/15/06 12:36 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/14/06 5:16 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When you look at the long term sidhi-practicing community, do you see a significantly above avg

[FairfieldLife] Re: Beatles angels on earth

2006-02-15 Thread markmeredith2002
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Feb 14, 2006, at 5:50 PM, Rick Archer wrote: That's the first allegation I've ever heard that the Beatles were doing drugs in Rishikesh.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - Sidhis Health

2006-02-15 Thread markmeredith2002
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/15/06 12:36 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 2/14/06 5:16 PM, sparaig at sparaig@ wrote: When you look at the long

[FairfieldLife] Spiritual practice after awakening: why?

2006-02-15 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- jim_flanegin wrote: Still do TM... How come, Jim? What's in it for you? Not long ago someone -- I think Alex Stanley -- pointed out how great meditation must be in enlightenment. Is that the motivator? These queries are all part of a larger question of how people's spiritual practices

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - Sidhis Health

2006-02-15 Thread Vaj
On Feb 15, 2006, at 8:32 AM, markmeredith2002 wrote:My guess is that the sidha community is about avg or slightly higher in terms of death and disease but much higher in terms of mental and emotional problems - look at all the sidhas in town on disability insurance and increasing numbers on

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Beatles angels on earth

2006-02-15 Thread Vaj
On Feb 15, 2006, at 8:21 AM, markmeredith2002 wrote:The article describes Chopra as "an erstwhile disciple of the Maharishi and a close friend of the Beatles, spiritual master Deepak Chopra is probably one of the few people who knew the real story" - the entire sentence is absurd.  Plus the idea

[FairfieldLife] was[Re: Charlie Lutes in print audios clips]- sidhis practice

2006-02-15 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Jamshad Ghanbar wrote: My friends whom are levitating here are Sufis and Dervishes who use special Zekr in group and then after some time of playing Daff and dancing, all together start floating while shouting out a very loud Zekr. Sweet Jesus, I've found my next spiritual path.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - Sidhis Health

2006-02-15 Thread feste37
Meredith always takes the negative view, but I would hate it if the out-of- towners on this board allowed his comments to fuel their already jaundiced beliefs about what happens to those who are involved in the TM movement. My guess is that rates of illness, whether mental or physical, are no

[FairfieldLife] Sulemain (was Charlie Lutes)

2006-02-15 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Jamshad Ghanbar wrote: Solaiman was a prophet who had many powers. One of them was the ability to fly. Whether or not he could fly, he was certainly a capable guy. http://tinyurl.com/cu9ws I had heard of Sulemain the Magnificent, so I googled him and found this short summary which

[FairfieldLife] Re: Beatles angels on earth

2006-02-15 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 15, 2006, at 8:21 AM, markmeredith2002 wrote: The article describes Chopra as an erstwhile disciple of the Maharishi and a close friend of the Beatles, spiritual master Deepak Chopra is probably one of the few

Re: [FairfieldLife] Spiritual practice after awakening: why?

2006-02-15 Thread Vaj
On Feb 15, 2006, at 8:39 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote:--- jim_flanegin wrote: Still do TM... How come, Jim? What's in it for you? Not long ago someone -- I think Alex Stanley --  pointed out how great meditation must be in  enlightenment. Is that the motivator? These queries are all part of a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Beatles angels on earth

2006-02-15 Thread Vaj
On Feb 15, 2006, at 9:07 AM, authfriend wrote:The TMO may well have tasked Chopra with putting out misinformation when Chopra was still with the TMO; as Bob suggested, the quotes in this article may have been taken from an old interview. But as I already pointed out, the TMO is not going to use

[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - Sidhis Health

2006-02-15 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 2/15/06 12:36 AM, sparaig at sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - Sidhis Health

2006-02-15 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/15/06 12:36 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 2/14/06 5:16 PM, sparaig at sparaig@ wrote: When you look at the long

[FairfieldLife] CNN web article about Maharishi

2006-02-15 Thread Ron F
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[FairfieldLife] Re: CNN web article about Maharishi

2006-02-15 Thread Patrick Gillam
Here's that sleep story again. http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/02/14/maharishi.yoga.ap/ Sleeping only two or three hours a day, ... 'He runs several shifts of us into the ground,' said American John Hagelin, a physicist who interprets Maharishi's thoughts into science-based language that

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CNN web article about Maharishi

2006-02-15 Thread Vaj
On Feb 15, 2006, at 11:16 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote:Here's that sleep story again. http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/02/14/maharishi.yoga.ap/ "Sleeping only two or three hours a day, ..." "'He runs several shifts of us into the ground,' said American John Hagelin, a physicist who  interprets

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CNN web article about Maharishi

2006-02-15 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CNN web article about Maharishi on 2/15/06 10:30 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yep. Pretty common. Makes me wonder if movement sources are following FFL? They are. Things have been mentioned here which have become topics of discussion in Purusha board

[FairfieldLife] ANANDAGIRIJI CONFERENCE CALL

2006-02-15 Thread Rick Archer
Title: ANANDAGIRIJI CONFERENCE CALL Conference call with Acharya Anandagiri being interviewed by Janet Attwood in India. There is no charge for this call and everyone is welcome to join on: Date: Thursday, February 16 Time: 7-8 AM Pacific time, 10-11 AM Eastern Call in: 646-519-5800

[FairfieldLife] Re: 1991 meeting G harrison/ MMY- as told by Chopra in interview

2006-02-15 Thread TurquoiseB
I think that the people who have suggested that this a patchwork article pieced together (badly) from different sources and different time periods are correct. It's a mess...I wouldn't put any credence in anything in it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron F [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: CNN web article about Maharishi

2006-02-15 Thread a_non_moose_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 15, 2006, at 11:16 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote: Here's that sleep story again. What is the source of low sleep levels in high states? Some texts? Vaj appears to be the primary text researcher on this. Are there first

[FairfieldLife] Re: CNN web article about Maharishi

2006-02-15 Thread a_non_moose_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/15/06 10:30 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yep. Pretty common. Makes me wonder if movement sources are following FFL? They are. Things have been mentioned here which have become topics of discussion in

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CNN web article about Maharishi

2006-02-15 Thread Rick Archer
on 2/15/06 11:05 AM, a_non_moose_ff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/15/06 10:30 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yep. Pretty common. Makes me wonder if movement sources are following FFL? They are. Things

[FairfieldLife] Re: CNN web article about Maharishi

2006-02-15 Thread a_non_moose_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: About a month or two ago I posted an email from a Purusha friend who was looking for some logistical assistance in getting his stuff from North Carolina to Fairfield. I inadvertently left in some stuff which made it

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CNN web article about Maharishi

2006-02-15 Thread Peter
The powers that be actually follow what is posted on FFL? What a waste of their time! --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/15/06 10:30 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yep. Pretty common.�Makes me wonder if movement sources are following FFL? They are. Things have been

[FairfieldLife] Re: CNN web article about Maharishi

2006-02-15 Thread a_non_moose_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The powers that be actually follow what is posted on FFL? What a waste of their time! But its not a waste of our time? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples

[FairfieldLife] Re: CNN web article about Maharishi

2006-02-15 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/15/06 11:05 AM, a_non_moose_ff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 2/15/06 10:30 AM, Vaj at vajranatha@ wrote: Yep. Pretty common.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CNN web article about Maharishi

2006-02-15 Thread Rick Archer
on 2/15/06 11:19 AM, a_non_moose_ff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: About a month or two ago I posted an email from a Purusha friend who was looking for some logistical assistance in getting his stuff from North Carolina

[FairfieldLife] Re: CNN web article about Maharishi

2006-02-15 Thread a_non_moose_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 2/15/06 11:05 AM, a_non_moose_ff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Beatles angels on earth

2006-02-15 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 15, 2006, at 8:21 AM, markmeredith2002 wrote: The article describes Chopra as an erstwhile disciple of the Maharishi and a close friend of the Beatles, spiritual master Deepak Chopra is probably one of the few

[FairfieldLife] Re: CNN web article about Maharishi

2006-02-15 Thread a_non_moose_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Rick Archer wrote: on 2/15/06 11:50 AM, Vaj at vajranatha@ wrote: A popular example is Napoleon--although his style is more like the 'yogin who sleeps like a dog' (lots of little naps) and who can

[FairfieldLife] SBS Quote

2006-02-15 Thread a_non_moose_ff
This sheds light on prior discussion. Role and teachings as Shankaracharaya vs private teacings, my own thinking. Adherng to shastra was the teaching of a Shankaracharaya and its institutions, not necessarily SBS's full view on right action. I must explain these teachings strictly as they are

[FairfieldLife] Re: ANANDAGIRIJI CONFERENCE CALL

2006-02-15 Thread a_non_moose_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/15/06 1:43 PM, t3rinity at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now you can read the links below, predicting a major tsunami which will wipe away the Himalayas and 60% of the worlds population

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sidhis Health

2006-02-15 Thread a_non_moose_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was opposing the claim that ffld sidhas exhibit clearly superior health due to intense molecular purification from t he sidhi program. My perception is we're about average physically and probably worse off

[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - Sidhis Health

2006-02-15 Thread feste37
I agree with much of this. I wasn't trying to endorse claims that TMO programs necessarily result in superior levels of health. I was really referring to the entire TM and ex-TM spiritual community here, which I guess (and we're only dealing in subjective impressions here) shapes up pretty

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ANANDAGIRIJI CONFERENCE CALL

2006-02-15 Thread Rick Archer
on 2/15/06 4:41 PM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/15/06 1:43 PM, t3rinity at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now you can read the links below, predicting a major tsunami which will wipe away the Himalayas and 60% of the worlds population

[FairfieldLife] Eco-farming 'helps world's poor'

2006-02-15 Thread claudiouk
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4716224.stm By Mark Kinver BBC News science and nature reporter Sustainable farming methods can help the poorest farmers in developing nations out of poverty, new research suggests. Scientists found that techniques such as crop rotation and organic

[FairfieldLife] New DJ service in Ottumwa, will travel

2006-02-15 Thread James Goetz
Wanted to let everyone know that I have started a new DJ service. I have state of the art equipment and I have reasonable rates. Im looking to do meduim weddings, parties and dances. Here is a link to my website. Thanks, Jim http://www.geocities.com/premier_dj4u/index.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] New DJ service in Ottumwa, will travel

2006-02-15 Thread Rick Archer
on 2/15/06 5:00 PM, James Goetz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wanted to let everyone know that I have started a new DJ service. I have state of the art equipment and I have reasonable rates. Im looking to do meduim weddings, parties and dances. Here is a link to my website. Thanks, Jim

[FairfieldLife] Letters more urgent since Council vote

2006-02-15 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Letters more urgent since Council vote Dear JFAN Supporter, On Monday night the Fairfield City Council voted down two resolutions presented by JFAN asking the state legislature to pass (1) a moratorium on new hog confinement construction statewide, and (2) legislation allowing Local

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual practice after awakening: why?

2006-02-15 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 15, 2006, at 8:39 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote: --- jim_flanegin wrote: Still do TM... How come, Jim? What's in it for you? Not long ago someone -- I think Alex Stanley -- pointed out how great

[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - Sidhis Health

2006-02-15 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Meredith always takes the negative view, but I would hate it if the out-of- towners on this board allowed his comments to fuel their already

[FairfieldLife] was[Re: Charlie Lutes in print audios clips]- sidhis practice

2006-02-15 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ [...] Don't be concerned about 'attachments', per se. All attachments drop off anyway after the goal is reached. The opposite 'problem' to waking state

[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - Sidhis Health

2006-02-15 Thread a_non_moose_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what I meant was that the sidhis do provide a tangible and powerful benefit for those genuinely focused on gaining enlightenment. There. So again, for you, at least partly a belief /attitude is necessary for results,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual practice after awakening: why?

2006-02-15 Thread a_non_moose_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, it only matters if suffering becomes transient, like everything else--in any situation, or state of mind. If the 'seeker's burn', as I've heard it described, remains, then there is not enlightenment. If

[FairfieldLife] Re: Beatles angels on earth

2006-02-15 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 15, 2006, at 12:51 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: it would be a very bad job of planting because the main source for the article is Deepak Chopra who is quite estranged from the TMO...and if he is misrepresented in the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual practice after awakening: why?

2006-02-15 Thread a_non_moose_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, it only matters if suffering becomes transient, like everything else--in any situation, or state of mind. If the 'seeker's burn', as I've heard it described, remains, then there is not enlightenment. If

Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi's meeting with George Harrison - as told by Chopra in interview

2006-02-15 Thread gullible fool
Chopra smiled. Part of the Beatles lore is that when they made their first appearance on American TV, on the Ed Sullivan show, there was no crime in the US for that one hour. Maharishi told us, 'When I heard this, I knew the Beatles were angels on earth. It doesn't matter what John

[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - Sidhis Health

2006-02-15 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: what I meant was that the sidhis do provide a tangible and powerful benefit for those genuinely focused on gaining enlightenment. There.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual practice after awakening: why?

2006-02-15 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: Yeah, it only matters if suffering becomes transient, like everything else--in any situation, or state of mind. If the 'seeker's burn', as

[FairfieldLife] Re: Beatles angels on earth

2006-02-15 Thread feste37
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Feb 15, 2006, at 12:51 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: it would be a very bad job of planting because the main source for the article is Deepak Chopra

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's meeting with George Harrison - as told by Chopra in interview

2006-02-15 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chopra smiled. Part of the Beatles lore is that when they made their first appearance on American TV, on the Ed Sullivan show, there was no crime in the US for that one hour. Maharishi told us, 'When

[FairfieldLife] Re: Beatles angels on earth

2006-02-15 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Feb 15, 2006, at 12:51 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: it would be a very bad job of

[FairfieldLife] The Value of Tradition

2006-02-15 Thread a_non_moose_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff no_reply@ wrote: You seem to be beyond MMY's teachings. Do you feel you have transcended his insights and have (re)cognized a newer or higher reality? Do you

Re: [FairfieldLife] The Value of Tradition

2006-02-15 Thread Vaj
On Feb 15, 2006, at 9:51 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote:Not to say the holy tradition that MMY says he represents is the single ultimate gold standard. But it is one "internally consistent" standard that is based on a substantial amount of tradition, practices, milestones, research, traditional

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Value of Tradition

2006-02-15 Thread a_non_moose_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 15, 2006, at 9:51 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote: Not to say the holy tradition that MMY says he represents is the single ultimate gold standard. But it is one internally consistent standard that is based on a

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Value of Tradition

2006-02-15 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@

Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi's meeting with George Harrison - as told by Chopra in interview

2006-02-15 Thread Rick Archer
on 2/15/06 7:01 PM, gullible fool at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chopra smiled. Part of the Beatles lore is that when they made their first appearance on American TV, on the Ed Sullivan show, there was no crime in the US for that one hour. Maharishi told us, 'When I heard this, I knew the

[FairfieldLife] was[Re: Charlie Lutes in print audios clips]- sidhis practice

2006-02-15 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ [...] Don't be concerned about 'attachments', per se. All attachments drop off

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's meeting with George Harrison - as told by Chopra in interview

2006-02-15 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chopra smiled. Part of the Beatles lore is that when they made their first appearance on American TV, on the Ed Sullivan show, there was no crime in the US for that one hour. Maharishi told us, 'When