[FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa complaint -- Butler case

2006-03-14 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/14/06 3:30 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF IOWA

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa complaint -- Butler case

2006-03-14 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Mar 14, 2006, at 3:54 PM, Rick Archer wrote: This whole document is worth reading. Certain things jumped out at me, such as Suzy Dillbeck trying to get students upset about the pen attack - some still crying - to forget about what had just happened and focus on a Maharishi tape. Apparently

[FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa complaint -- Butler case

2006-03-14 Thread feste37
For God's sake, she was just doing her best as she saw it, not using a tactic to alienate people from what they're experiencing. You always take the most negative interpretation possible, while posing as an impartial, detached observer. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa complaint -- Butler case

2006-03-14 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/14/06 4:05 PM, feste37 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For God's sake, she was just doing her best as she saw it, Of course she was. Everyone does. not using a tactic to alienate people from what they're experiencing. That wasn't her intention, but that's often the net effect of the TMO

[FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa complaint -- Butler case

2006-03-14 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/14/06 4:05 PM, feste37 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For God's sake, she was just doing her best as she saw it, Of course she was. Everyone does. not using a tactic to alienate people from what

[FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa complaint -- Butler case

2006-03-14 Thread feste37
You may have a point. I was objecting to the use of the word tactic, which makes it sound insincere and even sinister. I think the trick is knowing when the technique of bringing in the second element is appropriate for the situation, and when something else is required. It's easy to be wise

[FairfieldLife] My life is that level where unmanifest prevails...

2006-03-14 Thread bbrigante
Where do you get your energy from when you e.g. sleep only 2 hours? MAHARISHI: Nobody knows if I am sleeping even those two hours. People make their stories. This is not significant in my case. Because I am not living in terms of how much I sleep and how much I eat and how much I wake up.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa complaint -- Butler case

2006-03-14 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You may have a point. I was objecting to the use of the word tactic, which makes it sound insincere and even sinister. I think the trick is knowing when the technique of bringing in the second element is appropriate

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM lawsuit

2006-03-14 Thread bbrigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The campus itself went stapathya Vedic and now there are like 100 students occupying a 200 acre campus, 2 acres per student. It's a ghost town, soon it will resemble a Hindu Ghost Town, nice buildings run by skinny,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip What I'm contending is that only when TM is 100 percent effortless is one

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Just a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa complaint -- Butler case

2006-03-14 Thread bbrigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the particulars regarding Joel Wysong are accurate here, I'm sorry but I'll retract my previous posts from yesterday saying he shouldn't feel guilty or responsible over the death of Levi. If the particulars

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'How Does the Intellect to Settle - During TM?'

2006-03-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm wondering what other experiences are.. during meditation and the question of arriving at the state of 'settled intellect' as was discussed by Maharishi in the state of Samadhi.. As the intellect is the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff anonyff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: The question is, why are you so desperate to prove TM isn't effortless? It

[FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa complaint -- Butler case

2006-03-14 Thread bbrigante
IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF IOWA CENTRAL DIVISION ESTATE OF LEVI ANDELIN BUTLER, by and through his Personal Representative, JOSHUA BUTLER, Plaintiff, v. MAHARISHI UNIVERSITY OF MANAGEMENT and MAHARISHI VEDIC EDUCATION DEVELOPMENT

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM lawsuit

2006-03-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: It's the same way of thinking, though. The idea that we know more than they do about what's good for them. If you talk to people on campus

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Ides of March Attachment Test :-)

2006-03-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff anonyff@ wrote: You might not be interested in taking a writing class and learning how to really say what you want to say in a very precise way, maybe that wouldn't

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa complaint -- Butler case

2006-03-14 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/14/06 5:12 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can't expect some faculty member with no experience in dealing with the wild and crazy to be able to handle the situation -- that's why the school had security guards, that's what Fairfield cops are for -- it was a decision by top

[FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa complaint -- Butler case

2006-03-14 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/14/06 3:30 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF IOWA

[FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa complaint -- Butler case

2006-03-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the particulars regarding Joel Wysong are accurate here, I'm sorry but I'll retract my previous posts from yesterday saying he shouldn't feel guilty or responsible over the death of Levi. If the particulars of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa complaint -- Butler case

2006-03-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: If the particulars regarding Joel Wysong are accurate here, I'm sorry but I'll retract my previous posts from yesterday saying he

[FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa complaint -- Butler case

2006-03-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: Which article are you referring to, Shemp? Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa complaint -- Butler case

2006-03-14 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 3/14/06 4:05 PM, feste37 at feste37@ wrote: For God's sake, she was just doing her best as she saw it, Of course she was.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa complaint -- Butler case

2006-03-14 Thread wayback71
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: If the particulars regarding Joel Wysong are accurate here, I'm sorry but I'll retract my previous posts from yesterday saying he shouldn't

[FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa complaint -- Butler case

2006-03-14 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: If the particulars regarding Joel Wysong are accurate here, I'm sorry but I'll retract my previous posts from yesterday saying he shouldn't

[FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa complaint -- Butler case

2006-03-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] They ignored the psychologist's recommendation. Fatal mistake. Dr. Robert Boyer, a clinical psychologist and member of the University faculty, was contacted. He advised that Shuvender Sem was dangerous, should

[FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa complaint -- Butler case

2006-03-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Good points, Bob, but how a reasonable person -- even someone not trained in the security guard rts -- could fear for his personal safety, hear the person placed in his care who just stabbed someone

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip What I'm

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa complaint -- Butler case

2006-03-14 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/14/06 5:39 PM, wayback71 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't imagine why they even thought it ok to put him on a plane home the next day!!! He probably wouldn't have been allowed on a plane in this post-9/11 world. Or even prior to 9/11, if he was that obviously crazy.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa complaint -- Butler case

2006-03-14 Thread Vaj
On Mar 14, 2006, at 4:30 PM, jyouells2000 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF IOWA CENTRAL DIVISION ESTATE OF LEVI ANDELIN BUTLER, by and through his Personal

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-14 Thread Vaj
On Mar 14, 2006, at 6:05 PM, sparaig wrote:But even someportion of some concentrative technique is effortless so what is the difference then? MMY has set up a training procedure that helps bring people to a state of "letting" better than concentration, but if someone using some slight effort in

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-14 Thread Nelson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti no_reply@ wrote: I think there is a big confusion of what evolution

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 14, 2006, at 6:05 PM, sparaig wrote: But even someportion of some concentrative technique is effortless so what is the difference then? MMY has set up a training procedure that helps bring people to a state of

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Fatigue of the Non-Self

2006-03-14 Thread gullible fool
Are you sure you weren't over in Livingston Manor? It would have been easier to hide from you that MMY was in S. Fallsburg. I was in South Fallsburg. The first time I was at Livingston Manor was not until April 1979, when I went there for the first CAC Phase III. Phase III sounded

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'How Does the Intellect to Settle - During TM?'

2006-03-14 Thread Robert Gimbel
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: I'm wondering what other experiences are.. during meditation and the question of arriving at the state of 'settled intellect' as was

[FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa complaint -- Butler case

2006-03-14 Thread Ingegerd
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For God's sake, she was just doing her best as she saw it, not using a tactic to alienate people from what they're experiencing. You always take the most negative interpretation possible, while posing as an impartial,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa complaint -- Butler case

2006-03-14 Thread Ingegerd
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: You may have a point. I was objecting to the use of the word tactic, which makes it sound insincere and even sinister. I think the trick is

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Ides of March Attachment Test :-)

2006-03-14 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff anonyff@ wrote: You might not be interested in taking a writing class and learning how to really say

[FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa complaint -- Butler case

2006-03-14 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Am I the only one who, upon reading the brief, felt that much of what was written represented to a very great degree how I felt the movement

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