[FairfieldLife] Free Man In Paris, v2.15

[turquoiseb]

Packed up my stuff this morning and moved from one Airbnb apartment to
the next, getting to see it and leave my suitcase there before I
officially move in on Sunday. I've been Airbnb-ing it here because I'd
forgotten what a nightmare it is trying to rent an apartment in Paris if
you're not French...landlords and real estate people think nothing of
demanding a full year's rent in advance, and that's just not going to
happen.

So I've been doing the Airbnb thang, renting different apartments for
1-2 week periods. It's actually been fun, because I've gotten to live in
several different neighborhoods and thus get a feel for what it would be
like to live there long-term.

Anyway, the only reason for this rap is that the latest one is a real
find -- it's large, spacious (a rarity in itself in Paris) and has a
private garden (a *remarkable* rarity in Paris). I look forward to
spending the next couple of weeks being able to have my coffee and
croissants there instead of a cafe,  and being able to kick back in the
garden on these warm Spring nights.

Also, this latest apartment comes with built-in pussy.

No, I haven't followed in the footsteps of Henri de Toulouse-Lautrec and
moved into a brothel. (Although I would in a heartbeat if such a housing
opportunity was made available to me.) It's just that this apartment
comes with a cat.

It's a nice cat, and used to being on its own most of the time, so my
cat-sitting duties will be minimal. It'll actually be nice to have some
company as I enjoy the garden.

That's all. Nothing more to see here...move along. Just another morning
in My Kinda Paradise...

[FairfieldLife] Galaxy S4: fairly good camera!

[card]

http://www.technobuffalo.com/2013/04/25/samsung-galaxy-s4-vs-nokia-lumia-920-camera-comparison/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Surprising IQs of Famous People

[John]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> >
> > Johann Bach was 165.  Asia Carrera is 156.  Charles Dickens had 180. 
> > Marilyn Vos Savant is 228.  Surprisingly, Albert Einstein "only" had 160 
> > compared to some of the people on the list.
> > 
> > http://newsterm.blogspot.com/2013/02/johann-sebastian-bachs-iq-was-165.html
> >
> 
> Marilyn vs Savant really only has an IQ of about 130. Her 228 is due to some 
> fancy manipulation of test scores by her and her publicist in a way that was 
> deliberately designed to allow her to claim "world's highest IQ."
> 
> L

If she can find the answer to what happened before the Big Bang, I'll believe 
in her IQ.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Surprising IQs of Famous People

[John]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> >
> > Johann Bach was 165.  Asia Carrera is 156.  Charles Dickens had 180. 
> > Marilyn Vos Savant is 228.  Surprisingly, Albert Einstein "only" had 160 
> > compared to some of the people on the list.
> > 
> > http://newsterm.blogspot.com/2013/02/johann-sebastian-bachs-iq-was-165.html
> 
> 
> How do they know the IQ of people like Dickens and Bach who died
> before the IQ test was invented?

Good question.  It's probably an estimate based on their body of work.


>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Surprising IQs of Famous People

[salyavin808]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> >
> > Johann Bach was 165.  Asia Carrera is 156.  Charles Dickens had 180. 
> > Marilyn Vos Savant is 228.  Surprisingly, Albert Einstein "only" had 160 
> > compared to some of the people on the list.
> > 
> > http://newsterm.blogspot.com/2013/02/johann-sebastian-bachs-iq-was-165.html
> >
> 
> Marilyn vs Savant really only has an IQ of about 130. Her 228 is due to some 
> fancy manipulation of test scores by her and her publicist in a way that was 
> deliberately designed to allow her to claim "world's highest IQ."

She must be pretty smart to have thought of that.
 
> L
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: to azgrey was what a Sunday on FFL

[salyavin808]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
> >
> > Ravi, you really are wearing me out. I can only toy with you 
> > for so long. It's two hours earlier where you are. I'm getting 
> > ready to turn in. Try something to calm yourself down before 
> > you retire for the evening. That's what I'm going to do.
> 
> Here's something to give you nightmares.
> 
> Ravi and Dr.Dumbass pose for photos:
> 
> http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-10-greatest-wrestler-glamour-shots-all-time/
> 
> :-)

Unnerving, but can't say if if it's more than this gem I found under
their photos:

http://www.cracked.com/article_15628_the-5-creepiest-urban-legends-that-happen-to-be-true.html?wa_user1=4&wa_user2=Weird+World&wa_user3=article&wa_user4=recommended

I was hoping the old story about the couple's car breaking down
on a country road complete with escaped madman who ends up banging 
the boyfriends head on the roof would turn out to be true, but alas.

I'll have to be content with the old one about scratch marks being found on the 
inside of coffin lids after people were buried alive. 
Urgh, I'm going underground with a fully charged mobile

[FairfieldLife] The American Heart Association Recommends TM for Hypertension

[Dick Mays]

The American Heart Association Recommends TM for Hypertension
(Published online April 22, 2013)


Beyond Medications and Diet: Alternative Approaches to Lowering Blood Pressure
A Scientific Statement from the American Heart Association

An estimated 29% of American adults suffer from hypertension and it is 
projected to affect >1.5 billion people by 2025. It accounts for 13.5% of all 
deaths and half of all strokes and ischemic heart disease. The global 
hypertension-related public health burden is enormous.

The American Heart Association just published a scientific statement on 
alternative approaches to reducing blood pressure, which included a critical 
evaluation of research on meditation techniques, including the Transcendental 
Meditation technique (TM). Here is what the AHA's statement said about the TM 
technique and other meditation practices:
“TM may be considered in clinical practice to lower BP.
Because of many negative studies or mixed results and a paucity of available 
trials, all other meditation techniques (including MBSR [Mindfulness-Based 
Stress Reduction]) received a Class III, no benefit, Level of Evidence C 
recommendation .
Thus, other meditation techniques are not recommended in clinical practice to 
lower BP at this time.”
Here is a link to the full report:
http://hyper.ahajournals.org/content/early/2013/04/22/HYP.0b013e318293645f.full.pdf+html?sid=0aea85a1-f240-4b68-8174-07ecc3e2cfec


The following is a take on the AHA's statement by Dr. Robert Schneider, M.D., 
leading researcher on the effects of TM on hypertension:

While the AHA statement is conservative, they and other official medical 
councils generally are, especially with vanguard therapies. However, the fact 
that the AHA statement concluded that only Transcendental Meditation is 
effective in lowering BP and that other meditation and relaxation techniques 
are neither effective nor recommended is major. In addition, the AHA statement 
reports that long-term T M practice leads to lower heart disease clinical 
events. This was also not found for any other behavioral intervention.

Finally, it is noteworthy that this is the first time in 50 years of teaching 
and researching Transcendental Meditation that it has been recognized and 
recommended by a national medical organization that provides professional 
practice guidelines to physicians, health care payers and policy makers. This 
type of guideline statement has been what insurance companies have been 
requesting from us for many years.

For these reasons, this week's Scientific Statement from the American Heart 
Association may be considered historic.

Re: [FairfieldLife] The American Heart Association Recommends TM for Hypertension

[Michael Jackson]

wonder how many TM teachers are on the committee that made the recommendation? 





 From: Dick Mays 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 6:49 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] The American Heart Association Recommends TM for 
Hypertension
 


  
The American Heart Association Recommends TM for Hypertension
(Published online April 22, 2013)


Beyond Medications and Diet: Alternative Approaches to Lowering Blood Pressure
A Scientific Statement from the American Heart Association

An
estimated 29% of American adults suffer from hypertension and it is projected
to affect >1.5 billion people by 2025. It accounts for 13.5% of all deaths
and half of all strokes and ischemic heart disease. The global
hypertension-related public health burden is enormous.

The
American Heart Association just published a scientific statement on alternative
approaches to reducing blood pressure, which included a critical evaluation of
research on meditation techniques, including the Transcendental Meditation
technique (TM). Here is what the AHA's statement said about
the TM technique and other meditation practices:* “TM may be considered 
in clinical practice
to lower BP.
* Because of many negative studies or
mixed results and a paucity of available trials,
all other meditation techniques (including MBSR [Mindfulness-Based Stress 
Reduction]) received a Class III,
no benefit, Level of Evidence C recommendation .
* Thus, other meditation techniques are not recommended in clinical
practice to lower BP at this time.”
Here is a link to the full report:
http://hyper.ahajournals.org/content/early/2013/04/22/HYP.0b013e318293645f.full.pdf+html?sid=0aea85a1-f240-4b68-8174-07ecc3e2cfec


The following is a take on the AHA's statement by Dr. Robert Schneider, M.D., 
leading researcher on the effects of TM on hypertension:

While
the AHA statement is conservative, they and other official medical councils
generally are, especially with vanguard therapies. However, the fact that
the AHA statement concluded that only Transcendental Meditation is effective in
lowering BP and that other meditation and relaxation techniques are neither
effective nor recommended is major. In addition, the AHA statement reports that
long-term T M practice leads to lower heart disease clinical events. This was
also not found for any other behavioral intervention.

Finally,
it is noteworthy that this is the first time in 50 years of teaching and
researching Transcendental Meditation that it has been recognized and
recommended by a national medical organization that provides professional
practice guidelines to physicians, health care payers and policy makers.
This type of guideline statement has been what insurance companies have been
requesting from us for many years.

For
these reasons, this week's Scientific Statement from the American Heart
Association may be considered historic.

 

[FairfieldLife] TRANSCENDENTAL MEDITATION FOR YOUR BUSINESS

[merlin]

TRANSCENDENTAL MEDITATION (TM)

FOR YOUR BUSINESS:

+ DR. Normann Rosenthal
+ DR. Oz
+ Bob Jones

  Former CIO,Goldmann Sachs
+ Jeffrey Abramson
  Partner Tower Companies

+ Ray Dalio
  Bridgewater  Associates
+ Oprah Winfrey
  Media Proprietor

.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34Y99b6WadQ

.

Normann Rosenthal:
How Meditation Can Help Your
Business

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Responses to DrD, Stevie-poo, Share, and Barry

[Share Long]

Ann, the FACT is, according to Judy's oft beloved but now strangely rejected 
archives, that in the upsets with Robin I used the term psychological rape not 
rapist.  Judy's sneaky attributing of the latter term to me as something I said 
is an example IMO of the depth of her dishonesty, more so because she presents 
herself as the epitome of honesty, as the one who always sticks to the facts.  
Here is just one example that she, like the rest of us, does not always stick 
to the facts.  But in this case I think she does so maliciously not because of 
faulty memory and or emotional upset.


Judy herself has said in a recent post to Steve that Robin pushes people.  I 
use the term psychological rape to say that Robin pushed me too hard and he 
went too far in terms of attributing thoughts and feelings to me that I wasn't 
having.  And since it was happening to me, the fact is it is for me to label 
what I was experiencing.  And it is for Robin and I to reconcile about.  As for 
the initial upset, it is the same.  Judy can use the term innocuous all she 
wants to describe Robin's comment that upset me on Sept 6.  That is her opinion 
and she is entitled to it.  But the fact is that again only I can say whether 
Robin's comment was merely innocuous TO ME.  And again it is for he and I to 
reconcile about.  

Of course anyone can say to me how it seemed to them from the outside.  And I 
am open to such feedback from reasonable and unprejudiced individuals.  But I 
do not put Judy in either one of these categories.  BTW, Judy, according to 
google, kabash is a valid spelling.  

TO ROBIN:  you recently said to Curtis that you want a reconciliation with me.  
I am cautious because I remember at least one other time when you said such but 
later said you were just being ironic.  In any case, I would like a 
reconciliation with you.  And I don't think FFL is the best venue for that.  
Nor IMO is Judy a reasonable choice for mediator.  If you want, we can go from 
this point and
 see if we can have a reconciliation.

In case you don't already know, Judy is demanding an apology from me to you and 
says she will continue to demand it.  However, given that we both have 
apologized and not accepted the apologies of each other, I think it wisest to 
save additional apologies for after more reconciliation has taken place.


To FFL:  I will send this to Robin directly given that I don't know if he's 
currently lurking on FFL.  I don't know if the addresses I have are still
 valid, but hopefully they are.  



 From: Ann 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 12:29 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Responses to DrD, Stevie-poo, Share, and Barry
 


  


> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:

> > As you know, you're just echoing Share's dimwit ploy. As you
> > also know, I pointed out to her that someone who commits rape
> > (psychological or physical) is *by definition* a rapist. So
> > if you claim you were "psychologically raped" by somebody,
> > as Share did, you are ipso facto accusing them of being a
> > "psychological rapist."
> 
> 
> Right Judy.  So the fact is that Share never called Robin a
> "psychological rapist".  That's what we call in the trade, "the bottom
> line".  That is a business term that is often applied to other
> situations.  Another example might be something like saying someone "hit
> a home run" in a non baseball context.  These all come under the heading
> of devices that are sometimes used by writers.  Wait, could we also say
> that you are what is called a, a, a, LIAR
> 

Come on Steve, at least concede this point. You only look silly not to admit 
that it follows if someone said they had been "psychologically raped" by X then 
it follows that the accuser is saying X is a psychological rapist. To deny this 
is so makes it appear you either don't know that 1+1=2 or that you have no 
degree of rational, logical reasoning or that in your efforts to defend someone 
you are willing to look like a fool.

> > (Kibosh, not "kabash.")



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[FairfieldLife] news item to Xeno, Twinkies making a come back

[Share Long]

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/twinkies-real-ones-back-store-shelves-july-6C9590050

[FairfieldLife] English pronunciation of 'oolong'?

[card]

http://translate.google.com/#en/sv/oolong

Never before heard 'oo' pronounced that frontal... :o

[FairfieldLife] Re: curious about Sal Sunshine

[seventhray27]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote:
> >
> > > Gez, I think you just gave away Sal's first name. How could
you?
> > Steve, is Barry despicable for doing this or just being silly?
> >
> >
> > Hi Ann, No Ruth is not Sal's first name. I do happen to know what it
> > is so I can say that with some authority. Ruth was another
contributor
> > who had some good posts, or at least I thought so. I think in Ruth's
> > case, she tired of the nitpickiness for which Judy is known for.
> >
> > Actually I thought Judy raised some good points with Ruth. IMO it
> > didn't get to the level of nitpicking that I often find
objectionable
> > in Judy's posting. And in the case of Sal, (and I have nothing to
base
> > this on, other than my own opinion) I think that she finally had had
> > enough of the constant demeaning from Judy, not at all unlike what
we
> > see from Judy towards Share. Although in Share's case I think Judy
has
> > amped it up. Putting Share on the level of Monsanto is a first I
> > believe.
>
> Hey Steve. I 've missed you here. You went strangely silent for the
last few days and then Ravi showed up and you got verrry animated! In
fact, this afternoon became a veritable flurry of activity here at FFL.
It has been really, really entertaining.
>
> That is good that Sal's name is not Ruth because it didn't sound like
it should be Ruth, it just didn't FEEL right. Plus, Ruth is quite an old
fashioned name. It was my mother's name actually and she was born in
1921 and I doubt Sal is that old. Too bad I missed all the action here
when she was around because I don't have any real 'take' on her other
than she had a pretty good mouth on her.

Yes, she did, and it makes me smile just thinking of some of things she
would say.

I wonder if people will remember Judy so fondly when she quits this
place; it sounds like Sal was quite a pistol and of course Judy could
qualify as an Uzi in comparison. But I doubt, if Sal was half of what
she seems to be cracked up to be, that Judy could have demeaned Sal to
the point where she exited this place. That would disappoint me.


Barry feels that was not the case.  The thing is Ann, I think
continually being called "STUPID SAL", constantly can take a toll of
sorts.  At some point you weigh the cost/benefit analysis and decide,
"maybe this just isn't worth it"


> Now about that Monsanto thing. I read it that Share said Judy should
take on Monsanto. I don't think it had anything to do with Share being
equated with Monsanto by Judy. Why not check it out for both of us so we
get it right?


Ann, I think you are right, and I got it wrong.  That happens when you
are trying to do too many things at once.  I'm not sure I will get  back
to sort out the details.  I just got it wrong.


> Anyway, you keep that Ravi in line, okay? I think you're just the man
for the job - he is such a pest and what is with all those insults he
keeps throwing around? Maybe he's trying to quit smoking and is just a
bit cranky these days. At any rate, I don't want to take him on, he sort
of likes me at the moment and I want to keep it that way. The last thing
I want is either Judy or Ravi to start harping at me. One they get the
taste of blood it's over, man.


Ann, let's just talk, you and me.  Really, I think you would be better
trying to keep Ravi in line.   But I understand you reluctance to do
this.


> Anyway, glad to see you're back and in full swing. Raunchy even made
an appearance today. The only one conspicuous by his absence was Curtis
- oh, and Robin but he doesn't really count.

I miss Robin.  I do.  But you can be sure he is reading every word here.
I think Curtis also, takes most of it in.  Certainly I miss him.


>
>
> >
> > > >
> > > > - What was Andrew Skolnick's mortal sin that she
> > > > spent *years* stalking him on alt.m.t. and still
> > > > rants about him occasionally on FFL, a decade
> > > > after he last posted to any TM forum?
> > > >
> > > > - What did John Knapp do to deserve Judy's never-
> > > > ending hatred?
> > > >
> > > > - What exactly does Judy have against Vaj?
> > > >
> > > > - What made Judy turn on John from Brazil (do.rflex)
> > > > and spend so many posts trying to demonize him?
> > > >
> > > > - What is it about Curtis (whom most people like)
> > > > that drives Judy crazy and causes her to devote so
> > > > much time to trying to get other people to hate
> > > > him as much as she does?
> > > >
> > > > - What was it about Barry that caused Judy to start
> > > > stalking him within days of his first appearance
> > > > on alt.m.t., and to continue doing so -- pretty much
> > > > non-stop -- for over EIGHTEEN YEARS?
> > >
> > > Steve, I think it is Barry who has the almighty flow chart posted
on
> > his wall and he seems to carry it with him wherever he goes.
> > > >
> > > > There. That should give her some

[FairfieldLife] Re: to azgrey was what a Sunday on FFL

[seventhray27]

Good work Barry!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
> >
> > Ravi, you really are wearing me out. I can only toy with you 
> > for so long. It's two hours earlier where you are. I'm getting 
> > ready to turn in. Try something to calm yourself down before 
> > you retire for the evening. That's what I'm going to do.
> 
> Here's something to give you nightmares.
> 
> Ravi and Dr.Dumbass pose for photos:
> 
> http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-10-greatest-wrestler-glamour-shots-all-time/
> 
> :-)
> 
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
> > >
> > > Please don't humiliate yourself with your frivolous, careless,
> > reactive
> > > posts - day in and day out. How shameless, clueless, brainless can you
> > be -
> > > is there a bottom that you can hit or is this a bottomless pit you are
> > in?
> > >
> > > Take another shot at it, take your time, there's no hurry, I will give
> > my
> > > complete attention to it, I promise.
> > >
> > > Come up with something that has a morsel of dignity and intelligence -
> > > anything - some creative insult, insight, irony. Please I beg you -
> > give me
> > > something Steve baby.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 8:58 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@:
> > >
> > > > **
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ravi, you're in a league of your own with the reactive, frivolous,
> > stupid
> > > > posts. But I liked the lawyer bit. I wish you'd stay on that theme a
> > > > little more.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Please don't humiliate yourself with your frivolous, careless,
> > reactive
> > > > > posts - day in and day out. How shameless, clueless, brainless can
> > you
> > > > be -
> > > > > is there a bottom that you can hit or is this a bottomless pit you
> > are
> > > > in?
> > > > >
> > > > > Take another shot at it, take your time, there's no hurry, I will
> > give my
> > > > > complete attention to it, I promise.
> > > > >
> > > > > Come up with something that has a morsel of dignity and
> > intelligence -
> > > > > anything - some creative insult, insight, irony. Please I beg you
> > - give
> > > > me
> > > > > something Steve baby.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 8:25 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@:
> > > > >
> > > > > > **
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You are vomiting Ravi. You might want to try the toilet. They
> > should
> > > > have
> > > > > > a nice one where you work. Or at least tomorrow, if it should
> > come up
> > > > > > again.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sorry dear Share we all got distracted by your stalking err
> > searching
> > > > > > for Sal.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Considering your disability I have made this real easy for
> > you.
> > > > Please
> > > > > > feel free to take the help of the idiots Feste and Steve.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Your post referring to my grandmother below has the
> > characteristics
> > > > of
> > > > > > which of the following
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > a) Phony
> > > > > > > b) Passive-aggressive
> > > > > > > c) Platitude puking
> > > > > > > d) Pitta-putrefied
> > > > > > > e) Paranoid
> > > > > > > d) My heart says (a) but it's probably (b)
> > > > > > > g) My intuition says (b) but it's probably (d)
> > > > > > > h) My gut says (e) but it's probably (a)
> > > > > > > i) Feste may say sweet but it's (a)
> > > > > > > j) Steve may say Kali but it's (b)
> > > > > > > h) Any of the above
> > > > > > > k) All of the above
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Remember there's no right or wrong answer and there's good and
> > bad in
> > > > > > you and imagine this process to be a kind of a spring cleaning
> > for your
> > > > > > chakras which even the likes of John Newton may approve.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Love,
> > > > > > > Ravi
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Apr 25, 2013, at 4:54 AM, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > dear Ravi, even before I read this tale of grandsons
> > illustrious
> > > > and
> > > > > > otherwise, I was remembering that sweet sweet photo of you with
> > your
> > > > > > Grandmother. See how in tune we are?! Anyway, IMHO what's in
> > that
> > > > photo is
> > > > > > what's really important in life.
> > > > > > > > love,
> > > > > > > > Share
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"
> > FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 2:59 AM
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to azgrey was what a Sunday
> > on FFL
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Dear Share,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > A sincere apology entails honesty, accountability and
> > integrity and
> > > > > > you show none of these qua

[FairfieldLife] Re: Responses to DrD, Stevie-poo, Share, and Barry

[seventhray27]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote:

> Come on Steve, at least concede this point. You only look silly not to
admit that it follows if someone said they had been "psychologically
raped" by X then it follows that the accuser is saying X is a
psychological rapist. To deny this is so makes it appear you either
don't know that 1+1=2 or that you have no degree of rational, logical
reasoning or that in your efforts to defend someone you are willing to
look like a fool.


Think about who we are dealing with Ann.  Ms. Editor, Ms. Corrector, the
person who insists on exactness, but who is willing to (attempt, at
least) spin any situation to try to prove a point.  Share did not say
those words.  Judy puts those words in quotes as though she did.  To me
there is a subtle difference between feeling that one was
"psychologically raped", and calling someone a "psychological rapist" 
Of course your mileage may vary.  That is fine.

Certainly Judy, (and perhaps this is your take), feels that techincally
there is no difference.  I just see it differently.


> Now on that note I am going to sleep. Fun is fun but tomorrow is
another day and I am sure we will all have lots of fascinating examples
of the human character to analyze and enjoy then. Good night to you.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The American Heart Association Recommends TM for Hypertension

[salyavin808]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays  wrote:
>
> The American Heart Association Recommends TM for Hypertension
> (Published online April 22, 2013)

Interesting, but when you read the article:

http://newsroom.heart.org/news/alternative-therapies-may-help-lower-blood-pressure

You realise there is more to it than meets the eye. Exercise is
a better way of reducing blood pressure for instance. As is slow
breathing. And it isn't really "beyond" medication and diet as
they recommend alternative therapies don't replace standard
treatment.

Still, if you've got to crow about which technique is best they
do recommend TM above other types of meditation, but it isn't as
good as isometric hand grip exercises. 

I dunno, the press release doesn't look so good to me now


> Beyond Medications and Diet: Alternative Approaches to Lowering Blood Pressure
> A Scientific Statement from the American Heart Association
> 
> An estimated 29% of American adults suffer from hypertension and it is 
> projected to affect >1.5 billion people by 2025. It accounts for 13.5% of all 
> deaths and half of all strokes and ischemic heart disease. The global 
> hypertension-related public health burden is enormous.
> 
> The American Heart Association just published a scientific statement on 
> alternative approaches to reducing blood pressure, which included a critical 
> evaluation of research on meditation techniques, including the Transcendental 
> Meditation technique (TM). Here is what the AHA's statement said about the TM 
> technique and other meditation practices:
> "TM may be considered in clinical practice to lower BP.
> Because of many negative studies or mixed results and a paucity of available 
> trials, all other meditation techniques (including MBSR [Mindfulness-Based 
> Stress Reduction]) received a Class III, no benefit, Level of Evidence C 
> recommendation .
> Thus, other meditation techniques are not recommended in clinical practice to 
> lower BP at this time."
> Here is a link to the full report:
> http://hyper.ahajournals.org/content/early/2013/04/22/HYP.0b013e318293645f.full.pdf+html?sid=0aea85a1-f240-4b68-8174-07ecc3e2cfec
> 
> 
> The following is a take on the AHA's statement by Dr. Robert Schneider, M.D., 
> leading researcher on the effects of TM on hypertension:
> 
> While the AHA statement is conservative, they and other official medical 
> councils generally are, especially with vanguard therapies. However, the fact 
> that the AHA statement concluded that only Transcendental Meditation is 
> effective in lowering BP and that other meditation and relaxation techniques 
> are neither effective nor recommended is major. In addition, the AHA 
> statement reports that long-term T M practice leads to lower heart disease 
> clinical events. This was also not found for any other behavioral 
> intervention.
> 
> Finally, it is noteworthy that this is the first time in 50 years of teaching 
> and researching Transcendental Meditation that it has been recognized and 
> recommended by a national medical organization that provides professional 
> practice guidelines to physicians, health care payers and policy makers. This 
> type of guideline statement has been what insurance companies have been 
> requesting from us for many years.
> 
> For these reasons, this week's Scientific Statement from the American Heart 
> Association may be considered historic.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: curious about Sal Sunshine

[Share Long]

Ditto to what Ann said to Steve:  it's great that you're posting again, Steve.  
BTW, you both forgot Emily in listing who's missing here these days.  
Anyway, I've sent the post to Robin so we'll see what happens with that, if 
anything.





 From: seventhray27 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 6:57 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: curious about Sal Sunshine
 


  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@ wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote:
> > 
> > > Gez, I think you just gave away Sal's first name. How could you?
> > Steve, is Barry despicable for doing this or just being silly?
> > 
> > 
> > Hi Ann, No Ruth is not Sal's first name. I do happen to know what it
> > is so I can say that with some authority. Ruth was another contributor
> > who had some good posts, or at least I thought so. I think in Ruth's
> > case, she tired of the nitpickiness for which Judy is known for.
> > 
> > Actually I thought Judy raised some good points with Ruth. IMO it
> > didn't get to the level of nitpicking that I often find objectionable
> > in Judy's posting. And in the case of Sal, (and I have nothing to base
> > this on, other than my own opinion) I think that she finally had had
> > enough of the constant demeaning from Judy, not at all unlike what we
> > see from Judy towards Share. Although in Share's case I think Judy has
> > amped it up. Putting Share on the level of Monsanto is a first I
> > believe.
> 
> Hey Steve. I 've missed you here. You went strangely silent for the last few 
> days and then Ravi showed up and you got verrry animated! In fact, this 
> afternoon became a veritable flurry of activity here at FFL. It has been 
> really, really entertaining. 
> 
> That is good that Sal's name is not Ruth because it didn't sound like it 
> should be Ruth, it just didn't FEEL right. Plus, Ruth is quite an old 
> fashioned name. It was my mother's name actually and she was born in 1921 and 
> I doubt Sal is that old. Too bad I missed all the action here when she was 
> around because I don't have any real 'take' on her other than she had a 
> pretty good mouth on her. 
Yes, she did, and it makes me smile just thinking of some of things she would 
say.
I wonder if people will remember Judy so fondly when she quits this place; it 
sounds like Sal was quite a pistol and of course Judy could qualify as an Uzi 
in comparison. But I doubt, if Sal was half of what she seems to be cracked up 
to be, that Judy could have demeaned Sal to the point where she exited this 
place. That would disappoint me.

Barry feels that was not the case.  The thing is Ann, I think continually being 
called "STUPID SAL", constantly can take a toll of sorts.  At some point you 
weigh the cost/benefit analysis and decide, "maybe this just isn't worth it" 

> Now about that Monsanto thing. I read it that Share said Judy should take on 
> Monsanto. I don't think it had anything to do with Share being equated with 
> Monsanto by Judy. Why not check it out for both of us so we get it right?

Ann, I think you are right, and I got it wrong.  That happens when you are 
trying to do too many things at once.  I'm not sure I will get  back to sort 
out the details.  I just got it wrong.
 
> Anyway, you keep that Ravi in line, okay? I think you're just the man for the 
> job - he is such a pest and what is with all those insults he keeps throwing 
> around? Maybe he's trying to quit smoking and is just a bit cranky these 
> days. At any rate, I don't want to take him on, he sort of likes me at the 
> moment and I want to keep it that way. The last thing I want is either Judy 
> or Ravi to start harping at me. One they get the taste of blood it's over, 
> man.

Ann, let's just talk, you and me.  Really, I think you would be better trying 
to keep Ravi in line.   But I understand you reluctance to do this.  

> Anyway, glad to see you're back and in full swing. Raunchy even made an 
> appearance today. The only one conspicuous by his absence was Curtis - oh, 
> and Robin but he doesn't really count.
I miss Robin.  I do.  But you can be sure he is reading every word here.  I 
think Curtis also, takes most of it in.  Certainly I miss him.

> 
> 
> > 
> > > >
> > > > - What was Andrew Skolnick's mortal sin that she
> > > > spent *years* stalking him on alt.m.t. and still
> > > > rants about him occasionally on FFL, a decade
> > > > after he last posted to any TM forum?
> > > >
> > > > - What did John Knapp do to deserve Judy's never-
> > > > ending hatred?
> > > >
> > > > - What exactly does Judy have against Vaj?
> > > >
> > > > - What made Judy turn on John from Brazil (do.rflex)
> > > > and spend so many posts trying to demonize him?
> > > >
> > > > - What is it about Curtis (whom most people like)
> > > > that drives Judy crazy and causes her to devote so
> > > > 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Surprising IQs of Famous People

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> >
> > Johann Bach was 165.  Asia Carrera is 156.  Charles Dickens had 180. 
> > Marilyn Vos Savant is 228.  Surprisingly, Albert Einstein "only" had 160 
> > compared to some of the people on the list.
> > 
> > http://newsterm.blogspot.com/2013/02/johann-sebastian-bachs-iq-was-165.html
> 
> 
> How do they know the IQ of people like Dickens and Bach who died
> before the IQ test was invented?
>

IQ is supposed to measure, up until about age 16, how much more intellectual 
ability you have than other people your age, by comparing scores. The average 
16 year old's score, by definition, puts them at an IQ o f 100. After age 16, 
it is used as a statistical measure of where you are on the standard bell curve 
with respect to intelligence.

You can estimate where people are on the bell curve by looking at their 
achievements, their writings, their interests, etc. and comparing it to the 
average.

Marilyn vos Savant is a total underachiever by any measure, if her IQ really is 
as high as she claims. 


L

[FairfieldLife] Re: The American Heart Association Recommends TM for Hypertension

[sparaig]

I sent notice about this to David Orme-Johnson, Fred Travis, Dr Rosenthal, etc, 
earlier this week. David summarized the study and sent it to all his friends 
the next day. Dr. Schneider is only now making remarks on the paper.

So, 2-3 days from hearing unexpectedly about an announcement to getting formal 
responses from Dr. Schneider.

This gives you a feel for how the TM organization responds to an unexpected 
event, rather than to a planned event. If the TM organization had any inkling 
that this was coming, they would have had a press release out within hours of 
publication on Monday, instead of releasing something on Thursday. My local TM 
center is currently contacting every cardiologist in town after I talked to 
them yesterday. While we were talking, they got David's notification in the 
email.

This paper could be very big, just as Dr Schneider suggests.

I called it "HUGE" in my email to David.

Another study was released at the same time out of Germany that says that high 
workplace stress can double your chances of heart attack or stroke.

Combine those two papers and you have a foothold in every major company in the 
world.

Like I said, HUGE.

L





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays  wrote:
>
> The American Heart Association Recommends TM for Hypertension
> (Published online April 22, 2013)
> 
> 
> Beyond Medications and Diet: Alternative Approaches to Lowering Blood Pressure
> A Scientific Statement from the American Heart Association
> 
> An estimated 29% of American adults suffer from hypertension and it is 
> projected to affect >1.5 billion people by 2025. It accounts for 13.5% of all 
> deaths and half of all strokes and ischemic heart disease. The global 
> hypertension-related public health burden is enormous.
> 
> The American Heart Association just published a scientific statement on 
> alternative approaches to reducing blood pressure, which included a critical 
> evaluation of research on meditation techniques, including the Transcendental 
> Meditation technique (TM). Here is what the AHA's statement said about the TM 
> technique and other meditation practices:
> �TM may be considered in clinical practice to lower BP.
> Because of many negative studies or mixed results and a paucity of available 
> trials, all other meditation techniques (including MBSR [Mindfulness-Based 
> Stress Reduction]) received a Class III, no benefit, Level of Evidence C 
> recommendation .
> Thus, other meditation techniques are not recommended in clinical practice to 
> lower BP at this time.�
> Here is a link to the full report:
> http://hyper.ahajournals.org/content/early/2013/04/22/HYP.0b013e318293645f.full.pdf+html?sid=0aea85a1-f240-4b68-8174-07ecc3e2cfec
> 
> 
> The following is a take on the AHA's statement by Dr. Robert Schneider, M.D., 
> leading researcher on the effects of TM on hypertension:
> 
> While the AHA statement is conservative, they and other official medical 
> councils generally are, especially with vanguard therapies. However, the fact 
> that the AHA statement concluded that only Transcendental Meditation is 
> effective in lowering BP and that other meditation and relaxation techniques 
> are neither effective nor recommended is major. In addition, the AHA 
> statement reports that long-term T M practice leads to lower heart disease 
> clinical events. This was also not found for any other behavioral 
> intervention.
> 
> Finally, it is noteworthy that this is the first time in 50 years of teaching 
> and researching Transcendental Meditation that it has been recognized and 
> recommended by a national medical organization that provides professional 
> practice guidelines to physicians, health care payers and policy makers. This 
> type of guideline statement has been what insurance companies have been 
> requesting from us for many years.
> 
> For these reasons, this week's Scientific Statement from the American Heart 
> Association may be considered historic.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Champion of humankind spreading Thoughtfulness

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> > >
> > > On a more interesting note: how was Shriver's talk last night?
> > > 
> > 
> > I enjoyed it. It was taped, and it should be up on YouTube before too long. 
> > I'll post a link when I get it.
> 
> Thank you. I know virtually nothing about this man but the little I know and 
> the little I read coupled with his response the the 'outing' of his 'dying' 
> here at FFL I can certainly see he is one smart, well-spoken strong 
> personality. I like that.
> >
>

Yep, you you can read some of L. B. Shriver's writing and thinking by looking 
at some of the early posts on FFL.  Under "Messages" click on "oldest" and then 
come up through the posts clicking on  "newer".   Come up through the posts for 
a while and you can start to sample his writing in context.
-Buck  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Responses to DrD, Stevie-poo, Share, and Barry

[doctordumbass]

To borrow a word from The Bush lexicon, you misunderestimated my meaning...The 
joke about "breast feeding" from across the room was a general musing, and had 
nothing to do with Sal. The later comment about four teats was riffing on 
Ravi's stuff. I was in a mood to joke about tits last night. I barely remember 
Sal, and used the memory as a convenient vehicle for a laugh. Go figure. Tits! 
LOL

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > Sorry, but that reminds me, would a male, or lesbian, 
> (snip)
> 
> DrD, no matter what Sal's faults may be, this post was out
> of line, IMHO. Nobody deserves this kind of crap.
> 
> 
> 
> Using my last post of the week to clean up a bunch of
> pathetic messes:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > 
> > > It's hard to read, feste, that you consider calling
> > > someone a "psychological rapist" to be "no big deal."
> > 
> > Hey Judy, would you care to put your well honed 
> > investigative skills to work and show where Share 
> > actually used this, exact, term in addressing, or
> > referring to Robin, or is just this just some
> > concoction on your part.  I'll wait.
> >
> > P.S.  A straight answer will be preferred if you
> > are capable of one.
> 
> Well, yours is not a straight question, but I'll give you a 
> straight answer anyway:
> 
> As you know, you're just echoing Share's dimwit ploy. As you 
> also know, I pointed out to her that someone who commits rape
> (psychological or physical) is *by definition* a rapist. So
> if you claim you were "psychologically raped" by somebody,
> as Share did, you are ipso facto accusing them of being a
> "psychological rapist."
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
> >
> > Judy, honey, hopefully you have extinguished your fifty 
> > posts for the week,  But thank you, thank you very much
> > for this Share - Monsanto tirade.
> 
> You're not even smart enough to respond to the right post. 
> This one had nothing to do with Monsanto.
> 
> But I'll comment on your remarks as if they had been in
> response to the correct post:
> 
> > This truly is one for the records books.  Share's stature 
> > in your mind is of global proportions.  Yes, it's true,
> > I've liked her from the start, but you are elevating her
> > status to a whole other level.
> 
> You missed the irony *again*, Stevie boy. It was Share who
> elevated *me* to global stature by suggesting that I was
> so powerful I could take on Monsanto. I'm just riffing on
> that idiocy.
> 
> > But it's pretty good entertainment, if it wasn't so 
> > poisonous to the person spewing it.
> 
> Sorry to disappoint you, but actually I'm immune to my
> own poison. Hopefully it did cause Share some discomfort
> (although she'll deny it), if only because of the effort
> required for her to block out the reality and pretend
> she was untouched by it.
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > turq, please don't you go daft too. Of course I figured
> > Sunshine was not her last name! But I wanted to kid Doc
> > without fibbing so I did look it up in the FF phone book.
> > Besides I don't think having been bullied by Judy makes a 
> > great basis for anything
> 
> Actually Sal was the bully. I just bullied her back, and she
> didn't like it.
> 
> (snip)
> > Just how desperate Judy is shows in her most recent jabs at
> > feste. Feste and Robin, as best as I remember, have had only
> > cordial and interesting exchanges. But Judy seems to be 
> > trying to put the kabash
> 
> (Kibosh, not "kabash.")
> 
> > on that friendship too. Hmmm, detecting a pattern, light 
> > bulb going on over Share head...
> 
> Light bulb going on over Share['s] head: Oh, boy, I'll bet
> I can make feste loathe Judy and make Robin loathe feste
> *and* Judy by pretending she was trying to create enmity
> between them.
> 
> You poor sap. Did you really think I wouldn't correct you?
> Did you really think either feste or Robin would fall for
> this?
> 
> (What was the *other* friendship I've been trying to put the
> k[ibo]sh on, by the way?)
> 
> In the first place, as I'm quite sure you know, feste not
> long ago went through a phase of denouncing Robin rather
> nastily. He's told us he got over that, and I hope it's true,
> because he and Robin *did* have some wonderful exchanges.
> 
> In the second place, my "jab" at feste had to do with his
> dismissing your accusation that Robin was a "psychological
> rapist" as "no big deal." That's shocking, and what it told
> us about him was that he was willing to sacrifice his sense
> of what's right in order to defend you.
> 
> That had nothing to do with Robin; no matter who the
> accusation was aimed at, it would have been a *very* big
> deal indeed, and it's shameful for feste to pretend
> otherwise.
> 
> In any case, we k

[FairfieldLife] Re: The American Heart Association Recommends TM for Hypertension

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> wonder how many TM teachers are on the committee that made the 
> recommendation? 
> 
> 

See my analysis of the timing of the TM response to this. As far as I know, I 
was first to catch it and bring it to the TMO's attention -just a random google 
search on TM caught the first online reference to the report on a medical news 
website.

If any kind of true believer was on the committee, I'm pretty sure that the TMO 
would have gotten a heads up before the release of the report.



L
> 
> 
> 
>  From: Dick Mays 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 6:49 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] The American Heart Association Recommends TM for 
> Hypertension
>  
> 
> 
>   
> The American Heart Association Recommends TM for Hypertension
> (Published online April 22, 2013)
> 
> 
> Beyond Medications and Diet: Alternative Approaches to Lowering Blood Pressure
> A Scientific Statement from the American Heart Association
> 
> An
> estimated 29% of American adults suffer from hypertension and it is projected
> to affect >1.5 billion people by 2025. It accounts for 13.5% of all deaths
> and half of all strokes and ischemic heart disease. The global
> hypertension-related public health burden is enormous.
> 
> The
> American Heart Association just published a scientific statement on 
> alternative
> approaches to reducing blood pressure, which included a critical evaluation of
> research on meditation techniques, including the Transcendental Meditation
> technique (TM). Here is what the AHA's statement said about
> the TM technique and other meditation practices:  * “TM may be 
> considered in clinical practice
> to lower BP.
>   * Because of many negative studies or
> mixed results and a paucity of available trials,
> all other meditation techniques (including MBSR [Mindfulness-Based Stress 
> Reduction]) received a Class III,
> no benefit, Level of Evidence C recommendation .
>   * Thus, other meditation techniques are not recommended in clinical
> practice to lower BP at this time.”
> Here is a link to the full report:
> http://hyper.ahajournals.org/content/early/2013/04/22/HYP.0b013e318293645f.full.pdf+html?sid=0aea85a1-f240-4b68-8174-07ecc3e2cfec
> 
> 
> The following is a take on the AHA's statement by Dr. Robert Schneider, 
> M.D., leading researcher on the effects of TM on hypertension:
> 
> While
> the AHA statement is conservative, they and other official medical councils
> generally are, especially with vanguard therapies. However, the fact that
> the AHA statement concluded that only Transcendental Meditation is effective 
> in
> lowering BP and that other meditation and relaxation techniques are neither
> effective nor recommended is major. In addition, the AHA statement reports 
> that
> long-term T M practice leads to lower heart disease clinical events. This was
> also not found for any other behavioral intervention.
> 
> Finally,
> it is noteworthy that this is the first time in 50 years of teaching and
> researching Transcendental Meditation that it has been recognized and
> recommended by a national medical organization that provides professional
> practice guidelines to physicians, health care payers and policy makers.
> This type of guideline statement has been what insurance companies have been
> requesting from us for many years.
> 
> For
> these reasons, this week's Scientific Statement from the American Heart
> Association may be considered historic.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The American Heart Association Recommends TM for Hypertension

[sparaig]

Well, this only evaluated the effects of TM on blood pressure. A German think 
tank released a study the same day that found that workplace stress can double 
your chances of heart attack and stroke. BP is only one factor of many that TM 
apparently effects, and the recent finding that shows a 48% drop in your chance 
of having a fatal heart attack or stroke if you do TM fits right in with the 
German study results.

The AHA report also calls for head-to-head studies on various meditation 
techniques. THat is HUGE since your average Buddhist-oriented meditation 
researcher insists that TM isn't worth studying in the first place, and they 
have been getting all the research grants to study mindfulness by itself.

Now, they're going to have to grit their teeth and study TM side by side  with 
mindfulness in order to get the big grant money, or so I suspect.

Just as TM researchers are jumping around, mindfulness researchers are very 
dejected right now, I am betting.


L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays  wrote:
> >
> > The American Heart Association Recommends TM for Hypertension
> > (Published online April 22, 2013)
> 
> Interesting, but when you read the article:
> 
> http://newsroom.heart.org/news/alternative-therapies-may-help-lower-blood-pressure
> 
> You realise there is more to it than meets the eye. Exercise is
> a better way of reducing blood pressure for instance. As is slow
> breathing. And it isn't really "beyond" medication and diet as
> they recommend alternative therapies don't replace standard
> treatment.
> 
> Still, if you've got to crow about which technique is best they
> do recommend TM above other types of meditation, but it isn't as
> good as isometric hand grip exercises. 
> 
> I dunno, the press release doesn't look so good to me now
> 
> 
> > Beyond Medications and Diet: Alternative Approaches to Lowering Blood 
> > Pressure
> > A Scientific Statement from the American Heart Association
> > 
> > An estimated 29% of American adults suffer from hypertension and it is 
> > projected to affect >1.5 billion people by 2025. It accounts for 13.5% of 
> > all deaths and half of all strokes and ischemic heart disease. The global 
> > hypertension-related public health burden is enormous.
> > 
> > The American Heart Association just published a scientific statement on 
> > alternative approaches to reducing blood pressure, which included a 
> > critical evaluation of research on meditation techniques, including the 
> > Transcendental Meditation technique (TM). Here is what the AHA's statement 
> > said about the TM technique and other meditation practices:
> > "TM may be considered in clinical practice to lower BP.
> > Because of many negative studies or mixed results and a paucity of 
> > available trials, all other meditation techniques (including MBSR 
> > [Mindfulness-Based Stress Reduction]) received a Class III, no benefit, 
> > Level of Evidence C recommendation .
> > Thus, other meditation techniques are not recommended in clinical practice 
> > to lower BP at this time."
> > Here is a link to the full report:
> > http://hyper.ahajournals.org/content/early/2013/04/22/HYP.0b013e318293645f.full.pdf+html?sid=0aea85a1-f240-4b68-8174-07ecc3e2cfec
> > 
> > 
> > The following is a take on the AHA's statement by Dr. Robert Schneider, 
> > M.D., leading researcher on the effects of TM on hypertension:
> > 
> > While the AHA statement is conservative, they and other official medical 
> > councils generally are, especially with vanguard therapies. However, the 
> > fact that the AHA statement concluded that only Transcendental Meditation 
> > is effective in lowering BP and that other meditation and relaxation 
> > techniques are neither effective nor recommended is major. In addition, the 
> > AHA statement reports that long-term T M practice leads to lower heart 
> > disease clinical events. This was also not found for any other behavioral 
> > intervention.
> > 
> > Finally, it is noteworthy that this is the first time in 50 years of 
> > teaching and researching Transcendental Meditation that it has been 
> > recognized and recommended by a national medical organization that provides 
> > professional practice guidelines to physicians, health care payers and 
> > policy makers. This type of guideline statement has been what insurance 
> > companies have been requesting from us for many years.
> > 
> > For these reasons, this week's Scientific Statement from the American Heart 
> > Association may be considered historic.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Man In Paris, v2.15

[doctordumbass]

Your making the word "pussy" synonymous with "brothel", leads me to assume you 
always pay for "it". Makes sense. I guess that's why a year's rent up front is 
out of the question, huh? Those hard earned Euros are earmarked for "a man's 
needs". Hey, let's wrestle instead.:-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> Packed up my stuff this morning and moved from one Airbnb apartment to
> the next, getting to see it and leave my suitcase there before I
> officially move in on Sunday. I've been Airbnb-ing it here because I'd
> forgotten what a nightmare it is trying to rent an apartment in Paris if
> you're not French...landlords and real estate people think nothing of
> demanding a full year's rent in advance, and that's just not going to
> happen.
> 
> So I've been doing the Airbnb thang, renting different apartments for
> 1-2 week periods. It's actually been fun, because I've gotten to live in
> several different neighborhoods and thus get a feel for what it would be
> like to live there long-term.
> 
> Anyway, the only reason for this rap is that the latest one is a real
> find -- it's large, spacious (a rarity in itself in Paris) and has a
> private garden (a *remarkable* rarity in Paris). I look forward to
> spending the next couple of weeks being able to have my coffee and
> croissants there instead of a cafe,  and being able to kick back in the
> garden on these warm Spring nights.
> 
> Also, this latest apartment comes with built-in pussy.
> 
> No, I haven't followed in the footsteps of Henri de Toulouse-Lautrec and
> moved into a brothel. (Although I would in a heartbeat if such a housing
> opportunity was made available to me.) It's just that this apartment
> comes with a cat.
> 
> It's a nice cat, and used to being on its own most of the time, so my
> cat-sitting duties will be minimal. It'll actually be nice to have some
> company as I enjoy the garden.
> 
> That's all. Nothing more to see here...move along. Just another morning
> in My Kinda Paradise...
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: to azgrey was what a Sunday on FFL

[doctordumbass]

You are FINALLY discovering Cracked magazine? It has been the bad boy to MAD 
magazine for decades; kinda Rolling Stones to Beatles.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Ravi, you really are wearing me out. I can only toy with you 
> > > for so long. It's two hours earlier where you are. I'm getting 
> > > ready to turn in. Try something to calm yourself down before 
> > > you retire for the evening. That's what I'm going to do.
> > 
> > Here's something to give you nightmares.
> > 
> > Ravi and Dr.Dumbass pose for photos:
> > 
> > http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-10-greatest-wrestler-glamour-shots-all-time/
> > 
> > :-)
> 
> Unnerving, but can't say if if it's more than this gem I found under
> their photos:
> 
> http://www.cracked.com/article_15628_the-5-creepiest-urban-legends-that-happen-to-be-true.html?wa_user1=4&wa_user2=Weird+World&wa_user3=article&wa_user4=recommended
> 
> I was hoping the old story about the couple's car breaking down
> on a country road complete with escaped madman who ends up banging 
> the boyfriends head on the roof would turn out to be true, but alas.
> 
> I'll have to be content with the old one about scratch marks being found on 
> the inside of coffin lids after people were buried alive. 
> Urgh, I'm going underground with a fully charged mobile
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Space Ship Two

[Jason]

 
> 
> On Behalf Of John
> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:07 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Space Ship Two
>
> 
> If Hawking has any sway in world politics, this statement may help NASA get
> some funding for its Mars program which would include the human exploration
> and settlement on the planet.
> 
>
---  "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> If we don't change the mentality that is causing us to ruin this planet,
> then we'd just ruin any other planet we managed to get to. Besides which,
> the survivability of Mars is much less than that of Earth.
> 

Mars molten core lasted for just 500 or 600 million years 
before it lost all it's heat and became solid. It also lost 
it's magnetic field and solar radiation stripped it's 
atmosphere away.

We simply don't have the technology to heat up and melt down 
Mars core and bring it's magnetic field back on line.

In other words, Mars has been a dead planet for 4 billion 
years.


> 
> 
> "Richard J. Williams" mailto:richard@> > wrote:
> >
> > "Stephen Hawking Says Humans Won't Survive Another 1,000 
> > Years On Earth. We need sustainable off-Earth settlements 
> > by the end of this century."
> > 
> > 'SpaceShipTwo Moves Forward to First Powered Flight'
> > Space Exploration: 
> > http://tinyurl.com/coa85xk
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The American Heart Association Recommends TM for Hypertension

[Michael Jackson]

Its just a matter of time before all or most of the TM research is de-bunked.





 From: sparaig 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 8:24 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The American Heart Association Recommends TM for 
Hypertension
 


  
I sent notice about this to David Orme-Johnson, Fred Travis, Dr Rosenthal, etc, 
earlier this week. David summarized the study and sent it to all his friends 
the next day. Dr. Schneider is only now making remarks on the paper.

So, 2-3 days from hearing unexpectedly about an announcement to getting formal 
responses from Dr. Schneider.

This gives you a feel for how the TM organization responds to an unexpected 
event, rather than to a planned event. If the TM organization had any inkling 
that this was coming, they would have had a press release out within hours of 
publication on Monday, instead of releasing something on Thursday. My local TM 
center is currently contacting every cardiologist in town after I talked to 
them yesterday. While we were talking, they got David's notification in the 
email.

This paper could be very big, just as Dr Schneider suggests.

I called it "HUGE" in my email to David.

Another study was released at the same time out of Germany that says that high 
workplace stress can double your chances of heart attack or stroke.

Combine those two papers and you have a foothold in every major company in the 
world.

Like I said, HUGE.

L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays  wrote:
>
> The American Heart Association Recommends TM for Hypertension
> (Published online April 22, 2013)
> 
> 
> Beyond Medications and Diet: Alternative Approaches to Lowering Blood Pressure
> A Scientific Statement from the American Heart Association
> 
> An estimated 29% of American adults suffer from hypertension and it is 
> projected to affect >1.5 billion people by 2025. It accounts for 13.5% of all 
> deaths and half of all strokes and ischemic heart disease. The global 
> hypertension-related public health burden is enormous.
> 
> The American Heart Association just published a scientific statement on 
> alternative approaches to reducing blood pressure, which included a critical 
> evaluation of research on meditation techniques, including the Transcendental 
> Meditation technique (TM). Here is what the AHA's statement said about the TM 
> technique and other meditation practices:
> �TM may be considered in clinical practice to lower BP.
> Because of many negative studies or mixed results and a paucity of available 
> trials, all other meditation techniques (including MBSR [Mindfulness-Based 
> Stress Reduction]) received a Class III, no benefit, Level of Evidence C 
> recommendation .
> Thus, other meditation techniques are not recommended in clinical practice to 
> lower BP at this time.�
> Here is a link to the full report:
> http://hyper.ahajournals.org/content/early/2013/04/22/HYP.0b013e318293645f.full.pdf+html?sid=0aea85a1-f240-4b68-8174-07ecc3e2cfec
> 
> 
> The following is a take on the AHA's statement by Dr. Robert Schneider, M.D., 
> leading researcher on the effects of TM on hypertension:
> 
> While the AHA statement is conservative, they and other official medical 
> councils generally are, especially with vanguard therapies. However, the fact 
> that the AHA statement concluded that only Transcendental Meditation is 
> effective in lowering BP and that other meditation and relaxation techniques 
> are neither effective nor recommended is major. In addition, the AHA 
> statement reports that long-term T M practice leads to lower heart disease 
> clinical events. This was also not found for any other behavioral 
> intervention.
> 
> Finally, it is noteworthy that this is the first time in 50 years of teaching 
> and researching Transcendental Meditation that it has been recognized and 
> recommended by a national medical organization that provides professional 
> practice guidelines to physicians, health care payers and policy makers. This 
> type of guideline statement has been what insurance companies have been 
> requesting from us for many years.
> 
> For these reasons, this week's Scientific Statement from the American Heart 
> Association may be considered historic.
>


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enemy of Mankind spreading Negativity

[Buck]

Yes, considering TM as being under a general blog internet attack here and its 
ongoing specious forms of persistent FFL anti-meditation bush-whacking 
terrorism; not withstanding, there are clearly some anti-meditation radicals 
trying to live here among us who would blow up and derail passenger trains of 
innocents crossing over river bridges if they could.  Stinking anti-meditation 
terrorists.  It is time we do some things more to protect our spiritual 
securities ourselves for all we love, our families, our friends and our 
community.  It is time.
-Buck 

> 
> >
> > (Fairfield, Iowa) Interviews with elderly meditators who reportedly knew 
> > the anti-meditation suspects at earlier times, an elder meditator remarks, 
> > "Anti-meditation is the dark religion and the former meditators became 
> > religiously anti-meditative".
> > -0---
> > 
> >
> 
> Considering now that both the modern science and people's direct deeper 
> spiritual experience are confirming first hand ancient and spiritual 
> scriptures showing just how spiritually imperative transcending meditation 
> practices are to all of humankind I feel it is important that we be more 
> proactive in protecting ourselves from the radicalism of the anti-meditators 
> here.
> -Buck
> 
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > About The FFL anti-meditation terrorism,
> > > > 
> > > > Buck, nobody on FFL is stopping anyone on this forum from meditation 
> > > > who wants to meditate. There are those that feel that prospective 
> > > > meditators would be better served by having a larger range of facts 
> > > > (and in some cases fantasies) to chose from when making a decision. 
> > > > There are some who do not understand what meditation can do, and some 
> > > > who overstate what meditation can do. It is a tool for a particular 
> > > > task. The task is to experience reality unvarnished as is possible. As 
> > > > reality is all there is, this would seem to be a very peculiar task, 
> > > > trying to find what is in fact the only thing that is. Because most 
> > > > have a bee in their bonnet, there is a distractive element in our lives 
> > > > that meditation is an aid for ameliorating.
> > > > >
> > > 
> > > What a slick specious bunch of sophistry. By science and virtue of 
> > > people's experience it is conclusive that all our public policy should be 
> > > that people come to meditation for all our welfare.
> > > -Buck   
> > >  
> > > > > (FAIRFIELD)-- The former meditators come from broken families of 
> > > > > meditation, ...
> > > > 
> > > > Well the TMO and Fairfield are in certain ways broken communities now. 
> > > > As people mature they find the simplistic ideal society model of life 
> > > > slightly inaccurate when applied to living. In their awareness 
> > > > everything may be ideal society, but the average joe on the street 
> > > > would find the concept as applied to say the city of Fairfield, IA to 
> > > > be appallingly short of the mark, if all details be made known.
> > > > 
> > > > ...and the remaining elder meditator speaking resplendent in meditative 
> > > > light and spiritual triumph having survived many years of 
> > > > organizational tumult along the way...
> > > > 
> > > > Sounds as if this guy is up on a pedestal, a top down manager, who 
> > > > probably has no idea what the average meditator is going through.
> > > > 
> > > > ...said "..these former meditators brought shame to the meditating 
> > > > family". The  former meditators were last seen meditating with the 
> > > > group in December 2005 and 1978 respectively.
> > > > 
> > > > Shame is the emotion experienced by an ego with low self-esteem; if 
> > > > this elder is experiencing this, or attempting to get others to 
> > > > experience life this way, he/she has no business being an elder, or 
> > > > being any kind of an instructor for the benefit of life. The elder 
> > > > would serve best by guiding people strong, independent, and wise
> > > > 
> > > > > "You put a shame on our entire family -- the meditating family -- and 
> > > > > you put a shame on the entire meditating community," The community 
> > > > > meditation Elder said.
> > > > 
> > > > As I said, this elder is clueless, trying to berate people instead of 
> > > > lifting them up.
> > > > 
> > > > > When asked what provoked the anti-meditation suspects, the elder 
> > > > > meditator stated: "Being losers, hatred to those who were able to 
> > > > > settle themselves -- these are the only reasons I can imagine"." 
> > > > 
> > > > Weak imagination too. Whoever this elder is, the elder should be sacked.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Responses to DrD, Stevie-poo, Share, and Barry

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote:
> 
> > Come on Steve, at least concede this point. You only look silly not to
> admit that it follows if someone said they had been "psychologically
> raped" by X then it follows that the accuser is saying X is a
> psychological rapist. To deny this is so makes it appear you either
> don't know that 1+1=2 or that you have no degree of rational, logical
> reasoning or that in your efforts to defend someone you are willing to
> look like a fool.
> 
> 
> Think about who we are dealing with Ann.  Ms. Editor, Ms. Corrector, the
> person who insists on exactness, but who is willing to (attempt, at
> least) spin any situation to try to prove a point.  Share did not say
> those words.  Judy puts those words in quotes as though she did.  To me
> there is a subtle difference between feeling that one was
> "psychologically raped", and calling someone a "psychological rapist" 
> Of course your mileage may vary.  That is fine.
> 
> Certainly Judy, (and perhaps this is your take), feels that techincally
> there is no difference.  I just see it differently.

Let me just say this, because I am getting mighty tired of this subject, so I 
say it as a general point; a point I would be making no matter who we were 
talking about here. There is no leap of faith, there is no reason to bicker 
over small semantics in this case. It is not a huge stretch, or even a stretch 
at all, for someone to make the very rational step from saying "I felt 
psychologically raped" to saying "The person who got into my mind in a way that 
made me feel psychologically raped is a psychological rapist." Although you 
wouldn't actually say that because it is a corollary that naturally follows so 
you would look like a twit actually using a sentence like that which proves 
redundant. At this point I am through with this subject because not only do I 
not actually care whether Share or anyone else does what I think she could and 
probably should do but there has been so much 'press' already on this subject 
that it is becoming, for me, very tiresome with very little result in the way 
of admission/apology/personal responsibility taken on the 'rape' statement. 
Everything but has been spoken about and there has been endless beating around 
the proverbial bush. The mere fact that you or Share will not take the actual 
words and just ADMIT what she meant AT THE TIME was exactly what I think (and 
it appears Judy does as well) she meant means you both think it was a terrible 
thing to say so you are avoiding it like the plague. 

Still, we are all free agents here and as of this moment I am officially moving 
on from the rape subject. That does not mean to say I am moving on from the 
truth subject as it may or may not rear its beautiful head.

On another note, your admission of having gotten the Monsanto subject wrong was 
a big thing to do in my opinion and although it is a normal thing to be able to 
admit (I was wrong) it is relatively rare to see it here.
> 
> 
> > Now on that note I am going to sleep. Fun is fun but tomorrow is
> another day and I am sure we will all have lots of fascinating examples
> of the human character to analyze and enjoy then. Good night to you.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The American Heart Association Recommends TM for Hypertension

[doctordumbass]

Good stuff. Though it *did* take 30+ years for TM to fix my high blood 
pressure, since I was genetically predisposed to it. 

My BP was around 145/90 for most of my life. My doctor wanted to prescribe this 
stuff, and I said I didn't want to take it, because I had heard it caused 
dizziness. He said, no, its OK. So I filled the prescription and saw the first 
warning in bold letters, "May Cause Dizziness", so I threw the pills away. 

Finally, after consistently dissolving any psychological causes for the high 
BP; fear, anxiety, and PTSD-like symptoms, and beginning to live a more 
non-dual consciousness, my BP has stabilized at 120/80. After confirming it at 
his office, I mentioned it to my doctor, and he offhandedly congratulated me, 
though couldn't give any explanation. TM has also contributed to my typical low 
pulse, 47 to 60 bpm, average.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
>
> I sent notice about this to David Orme-Johnson, Fred Travis, Dr Rosenthal, 
> etc, earlier this week. David summarized the study and sent it to all his 
> friends the next day. Dr. Schneider is only now making remarks on the paper.
> 
> So, 2-3 days from hearing unexpectedly about an announcement to getting 
> formal responses from Dr. Schneider.
> 
> This gives you a feel for how the TM organization responds to an unexpected 
> event, rather than to a planned event. If the TM organization had any inkling 
> that this was coming, they would have had a press release out within hours of 
> publication on Monday, instead of releasing something on Thursday. My local 
> TM center is currently contacting every cardiologist in town after I talked 
> to them yesterday. While we were talking, they got David's notification in 
> the email.
> 
> This paper could be very big, just as Dr Schneider suggests.
> 
> I called it "HUGE" in my email to David.
> 
> Another study was released at the same time out of Germany that says that 
> high workplace stress can double your chances of heart attack or stroke.
> 
> Combine those two papers and you have a foothold in every major company in 
> the world.
> 
> Like I said, HUGE.
> 
> L
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays  wrote:
> >
> > The American Heart Association Recommends TM for Hypertension
> > (Published online April 22, 2013)
> > 
> > 
> > Beyond Medications and Diet: Alternative Approaches to Lowering Blood 
> > Pressure
> > A Scientific Statement from the American Heart Association
> > 
> > An estimated 29% of American adults suffer from hypertension and it is 
> > projected to affect >1.5 billion people by 2025. It accounts for 13.5% of 
> > all deaths and half of all strokes and ischemic heart disease. The global 
> > hypertension-related public health burden is enormous.
> > 
> > The American Heart Association just published a scientific statement on 
> > alternative approaches to reducing blood pressure, which included a 
> > critical evaluation of research on meditation techniques, including the 
> > Transcendental Meditation technique (TM). Here is what the AHA's statement 
> > said about the TM technique and other meditation practices:
> > �TM may be considered in clinical practice to lower BP.
> > Because of many negative studies or mixed results and a paucity of 
> > available trials, all other meditation techniques (including MBSR 
> > [Mindfulness-Based Stress Reduction]) received a Class III, no benefit, 
> > Level of Evidence C recommendation .
> > Thus, other meditation techniques are not recommended in clinical practice 
> > to lower BP at this time.�
> > Here is a link to the full report:
> > http://hyper.ahajournals.org/content/early/2013/04/22/HYP.0b013e318293645f.full.pdf+html?sid=0aea85a1-f240-4b68-8174-07ecc3e2cfec
> > 
> > 
> > The following is a take on the AHA's statement by Dr. Robert Schneider, 
> > M.D., leading researcher on the effects of TM on hypertension:
> > 
> > While the AHA statement is conservative, they and other official medical 
> > councils generally are, especially with vanguard therapies. However, the 
> > fact that the AHA statement concluded that only Transcendental Meditation 
> > is effective in lowering BP and that other meditation and relaxation 
> > techniques are neither effective nor recommended is major. In addition, the 
> > AHA statement reports that long-term T M practice leads to lower heart 
> > disease clinical events. This was also not found for any other behavioral 
> > intervention.
> > 
> > Finally, it is noteworthy that this is the first time in 50 years of 
> > teaching and researching Transcendental Meditation that it has been 
> > recognized and recommended by a national medical organization that provides 
> > professional practice guidelines to physicians, health care payers and 
> > policy makers. This type of guideline statement has been what insurance 
> > companies have been requesting from us for many years.
> > 
> > For these reasons, this week's Scientific 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enemy of Mankind spreading Negativity

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> > >
> > > On a more interesting note: how was Shriver's talk last night?
> > > 
> > 
> > I enjoyed it. It was taped, and it should be up on YouTube before too long. 
> > I'll post a link when I get it.
> >
> 
> yup this town is full of public intellectuals and that guy is public 
> intellectual number 1.  It effectively was the narrative of the Fairfield 
> meditating community.  It was very graceful.  Was video-ed by a number of 
> people.  It should surface.
>
So, Buck, you think  stupidity should be elevated above the kind of mental 
claity ome intellectuals have? LB has always been clear, perceptive, and a 
meditator, genuinely interested in the real value of spirituality.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enemy of Mankind spreading Negativity

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> > >
> > > On a more interesting note: how was Shriver's talk last night?
> > > 
> > 
> > I enjoyed it. It was taped, and it should be up on YouTube before too long. 
> > I'll post a link when I get it.
> >
> 
> yup this town is full of public intellectuals and that guy is public 
> intellectual number 1.  It effectively was the narrative of the Fairfield 
> meditating community.  It was very graceful.  Was video-ed by a number of 
> people.  It should surface.
>
So, Buck, you feel that stupidity should be elevatd above the kind of 
intellectual clarity that some individuals have? LB has always been perceptive, 
and clear, is a meditator and has concerns about how the human ego tends to 
subvert spirituality for its less than glorious purposes. This is the main 
reason spiritual movements eventually fail.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The American Heart Association Recommends TM for Hypertension

[salyavin808]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> Good stuff. Though it *did* take 30+ years for TM to fix my high blood 
> pressure, since I was genetically predisposed to it. 

You should have spent your time squeezing things, much more 
effective according to the AHA.


> My BP was around 145/90 for most of my life. My doctor wanted to prescribe 
> this stuff, and I said I didn't want to take it, because I had heard it 
> caused dizziness. He said, no, its OK. So I filled the prescription and saw 
> the first warning in bold letters, "May Cause Dizziness", so I threw the 
> pills away. 
> 
> Finally, after consistently dissolving any psychological causes for the high 
> BP; fear, anxiety, and PTSD-like symptoms, and beginning to live a more 
> non-dual consciousness, my BP has stabilized at 120/80. After confirming it 
> at his office, I mentioned it to my doctor, and he offhandedly congratulated 
> me, though couldn't give any explanation. TM has also contributed to my 
> typical low pulse, 47 to 60 bpm, average.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > I sent notice about this to David Orme-Johnson, Fred Travis, Dr Rosenthal, 
> > etc, earlier this week. David summarized the study and sent it to all his 
> > friends the next day. Dr. Schneider is only now making remarks on the paper.
> > 
> > So, 2-3 days from hearing unexpectedly about an announcement to getting 
> > formal responses from Dr. Schneider.
> > 
> > This gives you a feel for how the TM organization responds to an unexpected 
> > event, rather than to a planned event. If the TM organization had any 
> > inkling that this was coming, they would have had a press release out 
> > within hours of publication on Monday, instead of releasing something on 
> > Thursday. My local TM center is currently contacting every cardiologist in 
> > town after I talked to them yesterday. While we were talking, they got 
> > David's notification in the email.
> > 
> > This paper could be very big, just as Dr Schneider suggests.
> > 
> > I called it "HUGE" in my email to David.
> > 
> > Another study was released at the same time out of Germany that says that 
> > high workplace stress can double your chances of heart attack or stroke.
> > 
> > Combine those two papers and you have a foothold in every major company in 
> > the world.
> > 
> > Like I said, HUGE.
> > 
> > L
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays  wrote:
> > >
> > > The American Heart Association Recommends TM for Hypertension
> > > (Published online April 22, 2013)
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Beyond Medications and Diet: Alternative Approaches to Lowering Blood 
> > > Pressure
> > > A Scientific Statement from the American Heart Association
> > > 
> > > An estimated 29% of American adults suffer from hypertension and it is 
> > > projected to affect >1.5 billion people by 2025. It accounts for 13.5% of 
> > > all deaths and half of all strokes and ischemic heart disease. The global 
> > > hypertension-related public health burden is enormous.
> > > 
> > > The American Heart Association just published a scientific statement on 
> > > alternative approaches to reducing blood pressure, which included a 
> > > critical evaluation of research on meditation techniques, including the 
> > > Transcendental Meditation technique (TM). Here is what the AHA's 
> > > statement said about the TM technique and other meditation practices:
> > > �TM may be considered in clinical practice to lower BP.
> > > Because of many negative studies or mixed results and a paucity of 
> > > available trials, all other meditation techniques (including MBSR 
> > > [Mindfulness-Based Stress Reduction]) received a Class III, no benefit, 
> > > Level of Evidence C recommendation .
> > > Thus, other meditation techniques are not recommended in clinical 
> > > practice to lower BP at this time.�
> > > Here is a link to the full report:
> > > http://hyper.ahajournals.org/content/early/2013/04/22/HYP.0b013e318293645f.full.pdf+html?sid=0aea85a1-f240-4b68-8174-07ecc3e2cfec
> > > 
> > > 
> > > The following is a take on the AHA's statement by Dr. Robert Schneider, 
> > > M.D., leading researcher on the effects of TM on hypertension:
> > > 
> > > While the AHA statement is conservative, they and other official medical 
> > > councils generally are, especially with vanguard therapies. However, the 
> > > fact that the AHA statement concluded that only Transcendental Meditation 
> > > is effective in lowering BP and that other meditation and relaxation 
> > > techniques are neither effective nor recommended is major. In addition, 
> > > the AHA statement reports that long-term T M practice leads to lower 
> > > heart disease clinical events. This was also not found for any other 
> > > behavioral intervention.
> > > 
> > > Finally, it is noteworthy that this is the first time in 50 years of 
> > > teaching and researching Transcendental Meditation that it 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The American Heart Association Recommends TM for Hypertension

[salyavin808]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
>
> Well, this only evaluated the effects of TM on blood pressure. A German think 
> tank released a study the same day that found that workplace stress can 
> double your chances of heart attack and stroke. BP is only one factor of many 
> that TM apparently effects, and the recent finding that shows a 48% drop in 
> your chance of having a fatal heart attack or stroke if you do TM fits right 
> in with the German study results.
> 
> The AHA report also calls for head-to-head studies on various meditation 
> techniques. THat is HUGE since your average Buddhist-oriented meditation 
> researcher insists that TM isn't worth studying in the first place, and they 
> have been getting all the research grants to study mindfulness by itself.
> 
> Now, they're going to have to grit their teeth and study TM side by side  
> with mindfulness in order to get the big grant money, or so I suspect.
> 
> Just as TM researchers are jumping around, mindfulness researchers are very 
> dejected right now, I am betting.

But if they really cared about peoples health - as opposed to just banging 
their respective drums - they'd be singing the praises of 
hand squeezing and slow breathing.

According to the evidence anyway

> L
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays  wrote:
> > >
> > > The American Heart Association Recommends TM for Hypertension
> > > (Published online April 22, 2013)
> > 
> > Interesting, but when you read the article:
> > 
> > http://newsroom.heart.org/news/alternative-therapies-may-help-lower-blood-pressure
> > 
> > You realise there is more to it than meets the eye. Exercise is
> > a better way of reducing blood pressure for instance. As is slow
> > breathing. And it isn't really "beyond" medication and diet as
> > they recommend alternative therapies don't replace standard
> > treatment.
> > 
> > Still, if you've got to crow about which technique is best they
> > do recommend TM above other types of meditation, but it isn't as
> > good as isometric hand grip exercises. 
> > 
> > I dunno, the press release doesn't look so good to me now
> > 
> > 
> > > Beyond Medications and Diet: Alternative Approaches to Lowering Blood 
> > > Pressure
> > > A Scientific Statement from the American Heart Association
> > > 
> > > An estimated 29% of American adults suffer from hypertension and it is 
> > > projected to affect >1.5 billion people by 2025. It accounts for 13.5% of 
> > > all deaths and half of all strokes and ischemic heart disease. The global 
> > > hypertension-related public health burden is enormous.
> > > 
> > > The American Heart Association just published a scientific statement on 
> > > alternative approaches to reducing blood pressure, which included a 
> > > critical evaluation of research on meditation techniques, including the 
> > > Transcendental Meditation technique (TM). Here is what the AHA's 
> > > statement said about the TM technique and other meditation practices:
> > > "TM may be considered in clinical practice to lower BP.
> > > Because of many negative studies or mixed results and a paucity of 
> > > available trials, all other meditation techniques (including MBSR 
> > > [Mindfulness-Based Stress Reduction]) received a Class III, no benefit, 
> > > Level of Evidence C recommendation .
> > > Thus, other meditation techniques are not recommended in clinical 
> > > practice to lower BP at this time."
> > > Here is a link to the full report:
> > > http://hyper.ahajournals.org/content/early/2013/04/22/HYP.0b013e318293645f.full.pdf+html?sid=0aea85a1-f240-4b68-8174-07ecc3e2cfec
> > > 
> > > 
> > > The following is a take on the AHA's statement by Dr. Robert Schneider, 
> > > M.D., leading researcher on the effects of TM on hypertension:
> > > 
> > > While the AHA statement is conservative, they and other official medical 
> > > councils generally are, especially with vanguard therapies. However, the 
> > > fact that the AHA statement concluded that only Transcendental Meditation 
> > > is effective in lowering BP and that other meditation and relaxation 
> > > techniques are neither effective nor recommended is major. In addition, 
> > > the AHA statement reports that long-term T M practice leads to lower 
> > > heart disease clinical events. This was also not found for any other 
> > > behavioral intervention.
> > > 
> > > Finally, it is noteworthy that this is the first time in 50 years of 
> > > teaching and researching Transcendental Meditation that it has been 
> > > recognized and recommended by a national medical organization that 
> > > provides professional practice guidelines to physicians, health care 
> > > payers and policy makers. This type of guideline statement has been what 
> > > insurance companies have been requesting from us for many years.
> > > 
> > > For these reasons, this week's Scientific Statement from the A

[FairfieldLife] Re: to azgrey was what a Sunday on FFL

[salyavin808]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> You are FINALLY discovering Cracked magazine? It has been the bad boy to MAD 
> magazine for decades; kinda Rolling Stones to Beatles.

Gosh, I feel so inadequate for not having read the entire internet
already.


> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ravi, you really are wearing me out. I can only toy with you 
> > > > for so long. It's two hours earlier where you are. I'm getting 
> > > > ready to turn in. Try something to calm yourself down before 
> > > > you retire for the evening. That's what I'm going to do.
> > > 
> > > Here's something to give you nightmares.
> > > 
> > > Ravi and Dr.Dumbass pose for photos:
> > > 
> > > http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-10-greatest-wrestler-glamour-shots-all-time/
> > > 
> > > :-)
> > 
> > Unnerving, but can't say if if it's more than this gem I found under
> > their photos:
> > 
> > http://www.cracked.com/article_15628_the-5-creepiest-urban-legends-that-happen-to-be-true.html?wa_user1=4&wa_user2=Weird+World&wa_user3=article&wa_user4=recommended
> > 
> > I was hoping the old story about the couple's car breaking down
> > on a country road complete with escaped madman who ends up banging 
> > the boyfriends head on the roof would turn out to be true, but alas.
> > 
> > I'll have to be content with the old one about scratch marks being found on 
> > the inside of coffin lids after people were buried alive. 
> > Urgh, I'm going underground with a fully charged mobile
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Responses to DrD, Stevie-poo, Share, and Barry

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote:
> >
> > Come on Steve, at least concede this point. You only look 
> > silly not to admit that it follows if someone said they had 
> > been "psychologically raped" by X then it follows that the 
> > accuser is saying X is a psychological rapist. To deny this 
> > is so makes it appear you either don't know that 1+1=2 or 
> > that you have no degree of rational, logical reasoning or 
> > that in your efforts to defend someone you are willing to
> > look like a fool.
> 
> Think about who we are dealing with Ann.  Ms. Editor, Ms. 
> Corrector, the person who insists on exactness, but who 
> is willing to (attempt, at least) spin any situation to 
> try to prove a point.  Share did not say those words.  
> Judy puts those words in quotes as though she did. To me
> there is a subtle difference between feeling that one was
> "psychologically raped", and calling someone a "psychological 
> rapist" 

Especially when the equivalence is coming from the
person who screams the loudest when anyone does the
same thing to her, placing something in quotes 
("scare" or otherwise) and (in her eyes) WILLFULLY,
HARMFULLY, and MALEVOLENTLY making it sound as if
she (Judy) said the words in quotes.

Yet again, it's fine when she does it, but a terrible
crime punishable by The Corrector if anyone else does it.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Responses to DrD, Stevie-poo, Share, and Barry

[Share Long]

Here Ann goes one step further.  She actually drops the word psychological 
altogether!  Of course recently Ann wrote a whole paragraph about physical rape 
so I guess she had already primed herself for that leap.  OTOH she is now tired 
of this topic so probably she won't respond to this.  

I used the phrase psychological rape.  I never said I was psychologically 
raped.  More importantly, I never called Robin a psychological rapist.  As Judy 
well knows, because she is a word person, these phrases carry differing 
connotations and weight.  


I have already emailed Robin about the separate but related issues of 
reconciliation and apologies.  As far as I'm concerned, the next step is his.  
Any badgering by Judy et al IMHO should be directed his way.



 From: Ann 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 8:50 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Responses to DrD, Stevie-poo, Share, and Barry
 


  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote:
> 
> > Come on Steve, at least concede this point. You only look silly not to
> admit that it follows if someone said they had been "psychologically
> raped" by X then it follows that the accuser is saying X is a
> psychological rapist. To deny this is so makes it appear you either
> don't know that 1+1=2 or that you have no degree of rational, logical
> reasoning or that in your efforts to defend someone you are willing to
> look like a fool.
> 
> 
> Think about who we are dealing with Ann.  Ms. Editor, Ms. Corrector, the
> person who insists on exactness, but who is willing to (attempt, at
> least) spin any situation to try to prove a point.  Share did not say
> those words.  Judy puts those words in quotes as though she did.  To me
> there is a subtle difference between feeling that one was
> "psychologically raped", and calling someone a "psychological rapist" 
> Of course your mileage may vary.  That is fine.
> 
> Certainly Judy, (and perhaps this is your take), feels that techincally
> there is no difference.  I just see it differently.

Let me just say this, because I am getting mighty tired of this subject, so I 
say it as a general point; a point I would be making no matter who we were 
talking about here. There is no leap of faith, there is no reason to bicker 
over small semantics in this case. It is not a huge stretch, or even a stretch 
at all, for someone to make the very rational step from saying "I felt 
psychologically raped" to saying "The person who got into my mind in a way that 
made me feel psychologically raped is a psychological rapist." Although you 
wouldn't actually say that because it is a corollary that naturally follows so 
you would look like a twit actually using a sentence like that which proves 
redundant. At this point I am through with this subject because not only do I 
not actually care whether Share or anyone else does what I think she could and 
probably should do but there has been so much 'press' already on this subject 
that it is becoming, for me, very tiresome
 with very little result in the way of admission/apology/personal 
responsibility taken on the 'rape' statement. Everything but has been spoken 
about and there has been endless beating around the proverbial bush. The mere 
fact that you or Share will not take the actual words and just ADMIT what she 
meant AT THE TIME was exactly what I think (and it appears Judy does as well) 
she meant means you both think it was a terrible thing to say so you are 
avoiding it like the plague. 

Still, we are all free agents here and as of this moment I am officially moving 
on from the rape subject. That does not mean to say I am moving on from the 
truth subject as it may or may not rear its beautiful head.

On another note, your admission of having gotten the Monsanto subject wrong was 
a big thing to do in my opinion and although it is a normal thing to be able to 
admit (I was wrong) it is relatively rare to see it here.
> 
> 
> > Now on that note I am going to sleep. Fun is fun but tomorrow is
> another day and I am sure we will all have lots of fascinating examples
> of the human character to analyze and enjoy then. Good night to you.
>


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The American Heart Association Recommends TM for Hypertension

[doctordumbass]

Good one! I heard you've been accepted into the third grade next year. Congrats!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > Good stuff. Though it *did* take 30+ years for TM to fix my high blood 
> > pressure, since I was genetically predisposed to it. 
> 
> You should have spent your time squeezing things, much more 
> effective according to the AHA.
> 
> 
> > My BP was around 145/90 for most of my life. My doctor wanted to prescribe 
> > this stuff, and I said I didn't want to take it, because I had heard it 
> > caused dizziness. He said, no, its OK. So I filled the prescription and saw 
> > the first warning in bold letters, "May Cause Dizziness", so I threw the 
> > pills away. 
> > 
> > Finally, after consistently dissolving any psychological causes for the 
> > high BP; fear, anxiety, and PTSD-like symptoms, and beginning to live a 
> > more non-dual consciousness, my BP has stabilized at 120/80. After 
> > confirming it at his office, I mentioned it to my doctor, and he 
> > offhandedly congratulated me, though couldn't give any explanation. TM has 
> > also contributed to my typical low pulse, 47 to 60 bpm, average.
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > >
> > > I sent notice about this to David Orme-Johnson, Fred Travis, Dr 
> > > Rosenthal, etc, earlier this week. David summarized the study and sent it 
> > > to all his friends the next day. Dr. Schneider is only now making remarks 
> > > on the paper.
> > > 
> > > So, 2-3 days from hearing unexpectedly about an announcement to getting 
> > > formal responses from Dr. Schneider.
> > > 
> > > This gives you a feel for how the TM organization responds to an 
> > > unexpected event, rather than to a planned event. If the TM organization 
> > > had any inkling that this was coming, they would have had a press release 
> > > out within hours of publication on Monday, instead of releasing something 
> > > on Thursday. My local TM center is currently contacting every 
> > > cardiologist in town after I talked to them yesterday. While we were 
> > > talking, they got David's notification in the email.
> > > 
> > > This paper could be very big, just as Dr Schneider suggests.
> > > 
> > > I called it "HUGE" in my email to David.
> > > 
> > > Another study was released at the same time out of Germany that says that 
> > > high workplace stress can double your chances of heart attack or stroke.
> > > 
> > > Combine those two papers and you have a foothold in every major company 
> > > in the world.
> > > 
> > > Like I said, HUGE.
> > > 
> > > L
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The American Heart Association Recommends TM for Hypertension
> > > > (Published online April 22, 2013)
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Beyond Medications and Diet: Alternative Approaches to Lowering Blood 
> > > > Pressure
> > > > A Scientific Statement from the American Heart Association
> > > > 
> > > > An estimated 29% of American adults suffer from hypertension and it is 
> > > > projected to affect >1.5 billion people by 2025. It accounts for 13.5% 
> > > > of all deaths and half of all strokes and ischemic heart disease. The 
> > > > global hypertension-related public health burden is enormous.
> > > > 
> > > > The American Heart Association just published a scientific statement on 
> > > > alternative approaches to reducing blood pressure, which included a 
> > > > critical evaluation of research on meditation techniques, including the 
> > > > Transcendental Meditation technique (TM). Here is what the AHA's 
> > > > statement said about the TM technique and other meditation practices:
> > > > �TM may be considered in clinical practice to lower BP.
> > > > Because of many negative studies or mixed results and a paucity of 
> > > > available trials, all other meditation techniques (including MBSR 
> > > > [Mindfulness-Based Stress Reduction]) received a Class III, no benefit, 
> > > > Level of Evidence C recommendation .
> > > > Thus, other meditation techniques are not recommended in clinical 
> > > > practice to lower BP at this time.�
> > > > Here is a link to the full report:
> > > > http://hyper.ahajournals.org/content/early/2013/04/22/HYP.0b013e318293645f.full.pdf+html?sid=0aea85a1-f240-4b68-8174-07ecc3e2cfec
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > The following is a take on the AHA's statement by Dr. Robert Schneider, 
> > > > M.D., leading researcher on the effects of TM on hypertension:
> > > > 
> > > > While the AHA statement is conservative, they and other official 
> > > > medical councils generally are, especially with vanguard therapies. 
> > > > However, the fact that the AHA statement concluded that only 
> > > > Transcendental Meditation is effective in lowering BP and that other 
> > > > meditation and relaxation techniques are neither effective nor 
> > > > recommended is

[FairfieldLife] Re: to azgrey was what a Sunday on FFL

[doctordumbass]

Nah, you feel so inadequate for a *whole* host of other reasons...:-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > You are FINALLY discovering Cracked magazine? It has been the bad boy to 
> > MAD magazine for decades; kinda Rolling Stones to Beatles.
> 
> Gosh, I feel so inadequate for not having read the entire internet
> already.
> 
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Ravi, you really are wearing me out. I can only toy with you 
> > > > > for so long. It's two hours earlier where you are. I'm getting 
> > > > > ready to turn in. Try something to calm yourself down before 
> > > > > you retire for the evening. That's what I'm going to do.
> > > > 
> > > > Here's something to give you nightmares.
> > > > 
> > > > Ravi and Dr.Dumbass pose for photos:
> > > > 
> > > > http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-10-greatest-wrestler-glamour-shots-all-time/
> > > > 
> > > > :-)
> > > 
> > > Unnerving, but can't say if if it's more than this gem I found under
> > > their photos:
> > > 
> > > http://www.cracked.com/article_15628_the-5-creepiest-urban-legends-that-happen-to-be-true.html?wa_user1=4&wa_user2=Weird+World&wa_user3=article&wa_user4=recommended
> > > 
> > > I was hoping the old story about the couple's car breaking down
> > > on a country road complete with escaped madman who ends up banging 
> > > the boyfriends head on the roof would turn out to be true, but alas.
> > > 
> > > I'll have to be content with the old one about scratch marks being found 
> > > on the inside of coffin lids after people were buried alive. 
> > > Urgh, I'm going underground with a fully charged mobile
> > >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] What Martial Arts Have to Do With Atheism

[Share Long]

Xeno, thanks I've been wanting to read an entire Sam Harris article and this 
fit the bill perfectly.  And hopefully Raunchy will be inspired to tell her 
goat buddies that they no longer have to fear men staring at them (-:




 From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 6:27 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] What Martial Arts Have to Do With Atheism
 


  
'An interview with Sam Harris about self-defense and the seduction of faith.'

'Sam Harris is best known as a vocal opponent of religious faith. But he is 
also a student of martial arts and armed self-defense, and a practitioner of 
daily silent meditation.'

'In the May issue of The Atlantic, Graeme Wood recounts the experience of 
learning meditation and Brazilian jiu-jitsu with him. Harris is finishing his 
next book, Waking Up: Science, Skepticism, Spirituality, about 
self-transcendence in the absence of religion. Following their encounter, Wood 
caught up with Harris to discuss violence, faith, and meditation.'

http://tinyurl.com/ceur4wo

[ 
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/04/what-martial-arts-have-to-do-with-atheism/275273/
 ]


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The American Heart Association Recommends TM for Hypertension

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
>

> But if they really cared about peoples health - as opposed to just banging 
> their respective drums - they'd be singing the praises of 
> hand squeezing and slow breathing.
> 
> According to the evidence anyway
> 

The AHA evaluation was directly on blood pressure, not any other risk factor 
for heart disease. If the only thing you were hoping to accomplish was to lower 
your BP, then you are correct, hand squeezing and slow breathing would be 
better.

But for almost any specific thing that TM is known to affect, I can almost 
always find a specific therapy or process that affects that one specific thing 
better than TM, so your point doesn't really add anything to the discussion, as 
far as I am concerned.

TM, due to its stress-reduction/normalization effect, has a more holistic 
effect than anything else that I am aware of (aside from getting enough to eat 
and drink and sleep and staying warm in freezing weather -oh, and having a 
proper supply of oxygen handy). Have I missed anything?

L

L

[FairfieldLife] Re: The American Heart Association Recommends TM for Hypertension

[salyavin808]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
> >
> 
> > But if they really cared about peoples health - as opposed to just banging 
> > their respective drums - they'd be singing the praises of 
> > hand squeezing and slow breathing.
> > 
> > According to the evidence anyway
> > 
> 
> The AHA evaluation was directly on blood pressure, not any other risk factor 
> for heart disease. If the only thing you were hoping to accomplish was to 
> lower your BP, then you are correct, hand squeezing and slow breathing would 
> be better.
> 
> But for almost any specific thing that TM is known to affect, I can almost 
> always find a specific therapy or process that affects that one specific 
> thing better than TM, so your point doesn't really add anything to the 
> discussion, as far as I am concerned.

What it adds to a discussion on HBP is that the TM press release
was misleading. TM press releases are often misleading (I know,
I used to help write them) nothing unusual, most companies like to
blow their achievements up and omit other embarrassing  details.

If you were recommending a therapy for HBP to someone who didn't
want to take drugs you would look at the evidence and prescribe
hand squeezing or slow breathing but you would also urge them to
get with a traditional drug programme. If you were following the
AHA guidelines in the paper that is. That's something else my
point adds.


> TM, due to its stress-reduction/normalization effect, has a more holistic 
> effect than anything else that I am aware of (aside from getting enough to 
> eat and drink and sleep and staying warm in freezing weather -oh, and having 
> a proper supply of oxygen handy). Have I missed anything?

You see, you aren't arguing from a scientific viewpoint but from
a belief based one. It's your *opinion* that TM is "holistic" enough 
to make it's lack of veracity as a treatment compared to alternatives
*less* relevant than its ability to fulfill something *you* think is
important, when someone with HBP might just want something that works
best for the task at hand and doesn't care if he also gets a glimpse of some 
allegedly higher state of consciousness.


> L
> 
> L
>

[FairfieldLife] Too Sexy for Saudi?

[John]

Let this be a warning to FFL members who may think they're too hot.  You can 
get arrested in Saudi Arabia.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/too-sexy-for-saudi-omar-borkan-al-gala-deported-from-saudi-arabia-for-being-too-handsome-photo-94779/

[FairfieldLife] Re: The American Heart Association Recommends TM for Hypertension

[sparaig]

from the press release:

�TM may be considered in clinical practice to lower BP.

Because of many negative studies or mixed results and a paucity of available 
trials, all other meditation techniques (including MBSR [Mindfulness-Based 
Stress Reduction]) received a Class III, no benefit, Level of Evidence C 
recommendation .

Thus, other meditation techniques are not recommended in clinical practice to 
lower BP at this time.�

Here is a link to the full report:
http://hyper.ahajournals.org/content/early/2013/04/22/HYP.0b013e318293645f.full.pdf+html?sid=0aea85a1-f240-4b68-8174-07ecc3e2cfec

The only relevant lines from the summary on research on meditation/relaxation 
that is missing is:

"The overall evidence is that TM modestly lowers BP. It is not certain whether 
it is truly superior to other meditation techniques in terms of BP lowering 
because there are few head-to-head studies."

...

In fact the only head to head study on BP between TM and mindfulness that I am 
aware of DOES show that TM has a larger effect on BP than mindfulness.

The TM researchers will be very happy to cooperate with mindfulness researchers 
in establishing "which is better," I am confident. It is the mindfulness 
researchers who don't want to work with the TM researchers, as far as I can 
tell, because the mindfulness researchers don't believe that TM has any real 
effect worth investigating.


L


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > 
> > > But if they really cared about peoples health - as opposed to just 
> > > banging their respective drums - they'd be singing the praises of 
> > > hand squeezing and slow breathing.
> > > 
> > > According to the evidence anyway
> > > 
> > 
> > The AHA evaluation was directly on blood pressure, not any other risk 
> > factor for heart disease. If the only thing you were hoping to accomplish 
> > was to lower your BP, then you are correct, hand squeezing and slow 
> > breathing would be better.
> > 
> > But for almost any specific thing that TM is known to affect, I can almost 
> > always find a specific therapy or process that affects that one specific 
> > thing better than TM, so your point doesn't really add anything to the 
> > discussion, as far as I am concerned.
> 
> What it adds to a discussion on HBP is that the TM press release
> was misleading. TM press releases are often misleading (I know,
> I used to help write them) nothing unusual, most companies like to
> blow their achievements up and omit other embarrassing  details.
> 
> If you were recommending a therapy for HBP to someone who didn't
> want to take drugs you would look at the evidence and prescribe
> hand squeezing or slow breathing but you would also urge them to
> get with a traditional drug programme. If you were following the
> AHA guidelines in the paper that is. That's something else my
> point adds.
> 
> 
> > TM, due to its stress-reduction/normalization effect, has a more holistic 
> > effect than anything else that I am aware of (aside from getting enough to 
> > eat and drink and sleep and staying warm in freezing weather -oh, and 
> > having a proper supply of oxygen handy). Have I missed anything?
> 
> You see, you aren't arguing from a scientific viewpoint but from
> a belief based one. It's your *opinion* that TM is "holistic" enough 
> to make it's lack of veracity as a treatment compared to alternatives
> *less* relevant than its ability to fulfill something *you* think is
> important, when someone with HBP might just want something that works
> best for the task at hand and doesn't care if he also gets a glimpse of some 
> allegedly higher state of consciousness.
> 
> 
> > L
> > 
> > L
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Scorpions No More!

[salyavin808]

UK Peace Index highlights rate of fall in violent crime

Rates of murder and violent crime have fallen more rapidly in the UK in
the past decade than many other countries in Western Europe, researchers
say.

The UK Peace Index
 , from the Institute for Economics and Peace,
found UK homicides per 100,000 people had fallen from 1.99 in 2003, to
one in 2012.

The UK was more peaceful overall, it said, with the reasons for it
varied.

The index found Broadland, Norfolk, to be the most peaceful local
council area but Lewisham, London, to be the least.

The research by the international non-profit research organisation comes
as a separate study by Cardiff University suggests the number of people
treated in hospital in England and Wales after violent incidents fell by
14% in 2012  .

Some 267,291 people required care - 40,706 fewer than in 2011 -
according to a sample of 54 hospital units, its report said.

BBC home editor Mark Easton called it the "riddle of peacefulness" and
said the fall in violence was "perhaps a symptom of a new morality".


"We are less tolerant of violence in all forms," our correspondent
added.

For its inaugural index, the Institute for Economics and Peace (IEP),
which defined peace as "the absence of violence or fear of violence",
used Home Office data on crime, such as public disorder offences and
weapons crime, and police officer numbers.

It found the violent crime rate was down by about one quarter - from
1,255 per 100,000 people in 2003, to 933 in 2012. This was a more rapid
fall than the average decrease across western Europe for that period -
although not more rapid than all other European countries, as was stated
in earlier reports on the BBC News website.

These reductions came despite a 6% drop in the number of police officers
per 100,000 people, it said.

"I do wonder whether the analysis is focusing on traditional social and
criminal justice theories when the answer to the quite remarkable drop
in violence may lie somewhere else entirely. Could it be that global
communication is having a calming effect on people's behaviour?" -
Mark Easton, Home Editor.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22275280

[FairfieldLife] Re: Responses to DrD, Stevie-poo, Share, and Barry

[seventhray27]

Sure Ann.  And perhaps my final comment,  why not just stick with what a
person says,  and thereby stay on same ground.  Once you deviate from
what a person says, then you open yourself to different interpretations.
It seems pretty simple to me.  The only reason to change an actual quote
would be to try to skew it in some way.
And let's be real about it.  Legal documents are written in such a way
so as to remove any ambiguities.  And if someone touts themselves as a
high arbiter of truthfulness, then that is what I'd expect.  And yes, in
case you're wondering, I find Judy to fall well short of that goal both
in spirit and practice.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote:
> >
> > > Come on Steve, at least concede this point. You only look silly
not to
> > admit that it follows if someone said they had been "psychologically
> > raped" by X then it follows that the accuser is saying X is a
> > psychological rapist. To deny this is so makes it appear you either
> > don't know that 1+1=2 or that you have no degree of rational,
logical
> > reasoning or that in your efforts to defend someone you are willing
to
> > look like a fool.
> >
> >
> > Think about who we are dealing with Ann.  Ms. Editor, Ms. Corrector,
the
> > person who insists on exactness, but who is willing to (attempt, at
> > least) spin any situation to try to prove a point.  Share did not
say
> > those words.  Judy puts those words in quotes as though she did.  To
me
> > there is a subtle difference between feeling that one was
> > "psychologically raped", and calling someone a "psychological
rapist"
> > Of course your mileage may vary.  That is fine.
> >
> > Certainly Judy, (and perhaps this is your take), feels that
techincally
> > there is no difference.  I just see it differently.
>
> Let me just say this, because I am getting mighty tired of this
subject, so I say it as a general point; a point I would be making no
matter who we were talking about here. There is no leap of faith, there
is no reason to bicker over small semantics in this case. It is not a
huge stretch, or even a stretch at all, for someone to make the very
rational step from saying "I felt psychologically raped" to saying "The
person who got into my mind in a way that made me feel psychologically
raped is a psychological rapist." Although you wouldn't actually say
that because it is a corollary that naturally follows so you would look
like a twit actually using a sentence like that which proves redundant.
At this point I am through with this subject because not only do I not
actually care whether Share or anyone else does what I think she could
and probably should do but there has been so much 'press' already on
this subject that it is becoming, for me, very tiresome with very little
result in the way of admission/apology/personal responsibility taken on
the 'rape' statement. Everything but has been spoken about and there has
been endless beating around the proverbial bush. The mere fact that you
or Share will not take the actual words and just ADMIT what she meant AT
THE TIME was exactly what I think (and it appears Judy does as well) she
meant means you both think it was a terrible thing to say so you are
avoiding it like the plague.
>
> Still, we are all free agents here and as of this moment I am
officially moving on from the rape subject. That does not mean to say I
am moving on from the truth subject as it may or may not rear its
beautiful head.
>
> On another note, your admission of having gotten the Monsanto subject
wrong was a big thing to do in my opinion and although it is a normal
thing to be able to admit (I was wrong) it is relatively rare to see it
here.
> >
> >
> > > Now on that note I am going to sleep. Fun is fun but tomorrow is
> > another day and I am sure we will all have lots of fascinating
examples
> > of the human character to analyze and enjoy then. Good night to you.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Psychological Rape

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

Psychological rape is a term that does not seem to have much of a fixed 
professional definition in psychology. It sometimes is applied to parents who 
drug their children to keep them under control. On a common sense level, the 
term would seem to imply a kind of invasiveness into one's private space. That 
private space is the ego, our sense of individuality and self. There are other 
private spaces, such as the experience that some call transcendental 
consciousness, which at a certain point in practice, seems deep inside. But 
this space (TC) has no characteristics other than the sense of wakefulness, so 
it really does not do anything, or provide one with an individual identity; it 
has no identity other than bare existence, it is neither private or public, 
though the experience seems to be restricted to the individual body, which we 
gather from the experience of coming out of a deep meditation, that that 
experience occurred somehow in what we are. 

Share used this term 'psychological rape' in reference to Robin. I take this to 
mean invasion of that personal space we call the ego, our sense of self as an 
individual person, or at a minimum, the sense that our human body is a locus or 
point of focus for experience. The ego is a big problem in spirituality because 
it is seen as an obstacle to universal experience, it is the process that makes 
us seem as if we are special in some way. It divides us from everything else. 
So one way to attempt to get rid of the ego, so we can experience unity 
(non-division with the world about us) is to try to manipulate it or attack it. 

But this is the point of maximum resistance. The ego is that in us which wants 
us as individuals to survive and never die. Subjugating the ego has to be an 
inside job. It has to be eaten away from inside. This is why meditative 
techniques may be important because they give our experience a wider dimension 
than just the ego, they put the ego in a larger space. Because we are not 
really our ego (so the spiritual talk goes), eventually, if we are lucky, we 
begin to see that this thing we call our ego, our 'me' is not such a hot thing. 
The ego cannot really be taken down much until a substantial experience of 
unity dawns because unity provides a big enough space around ego to manoeuvre 
it into lesser importance. CC, experiencing yourself as pure consciousness 
inside, as silence inside while in activity is too small a puddle of spiritual 
value to kick ego off its perch. We can be ass holes in waking awareness, ass 
holes in CC, and even ass holes in unity. The ego is the most subtle beast in 
the field, and given its chance, it can take these spiritual benchmark 
experiences and subvert their potential to its own machinations. Then you 
become a spiritual ass hole. Your AssHoliness if you will. I will venture to 
say no one ever escapes becoming a spiritual ass hole at some point in their 
journey.

Robin's technique was to saddle up to you kind of friendly like, and then 
attempt to get you to see reality by taking down the ego, by attacking it. And 
it resists. It does anything to survive. Robin's method, as applied in the 
past, and seemingly also recently, though he has claimed he is changed, is 
basically to trash the ego, the individual. I find this strange because of his 
emphasis on personal ontology. If the ego goes, so does personal ontology. 
Without the ego, there is no internal 'self' with which to experience the 
world. Therefore I would conclude that Robin's method is deceptive in that 
getting to see reality by way of personal ontology is an impossibility. My view 
is that personal ontology is the main reason, that whatever reality there is 
that is possible for a human body to experience, that reality is *not* 
experienced.

The following quotation (so I read) was published in Ms. magazine some years 
ago. It describes psychological rape in the manner that a number of us here 
feel is Robin's modus operandi:

'Trashing is a particularly vicious form of character assassination which 
amounts to psychological rape. It is manipulative, dishonest, and excessive. It 
is occasionally disguised by the rhetoric of honest conflict, or covered up by 
denying that any disapproval exists at all. But it is not meant to resolve 
differences. It is done to disparage and destroy'

Now, whether Robin has changed is not necessarily the point. I did not know 
Robin in the past, and only know of him as an occasional contributor on this 
forum in the past couple of years. My sense of him, based on the history I am 
familiar with at this point, is perhaps he has changed a bit from those past 
days, but I do not trust what he says about being dramatically changed from his 
former ways. But in fact, this is just evaluating words on a page.

In my interactions with him, I felt what he was doing was strangely invasive in 
this sense: imagine you are a clam, and you are having the time of your life 
just sitting on the ocean fl

Re: [FairfieldLife] Galaxy S4: fairly good camera!

[Bhairitu]

On 04/26/2013 12:39 AM, card wrote:
> http://www.technobuffalo.com/2013/04/25/samsung-galaxy-s4-vs-nokia-lumia-920-camera-comparison/
>
>

Though Android was originally developed as a camera OS and my Samsung 
Galaxy Nexus even does 1080p HD I still use a camera for more serious 
video and stills.  I just look at phones as a way to get some quick 
handy videos and photos.  If you want really good pictures use a DSLR 
where you can change lenses and more control over shooting settings.  
Phones will often use a slightly wider angle lens than you get with most 
cameras in recognition they will most often be used for party photos, 
etc where you need a wider angle lens.  Perhaps with 4K sensors one will 
be able to do a 1080p digital zoom without losing detail.  In fact that 
is why some filmmakers are enjoying 4K because they can zoom in a frame 
post production and not lose detail for a 2K release.

Re: [FairfieldLife] The American Heart Association Recommends TM for Hypertension

[Bhairitu]

On 04/26/2013 03:49 AM, Dick Mays wrote:
> The American Heart Association Recommends TM for Hypertension
> (Published online April 22, 2013)
>
>
> Beyond Medications and Diet: Alternative Approaches to Lowering Blood Pressure
> A Scientific Statement from the American Heart Association
>
> An estimated 29% of American adults suffer from hypertension and it is 
> projected to affect >1.5 billion people by 2025. It accounts for 13.5% of all 
> deaths and half of all strokes and ischemic heart disease. The global 
> hypertension-related public health burden is enormous.
>
> The American Heart Association just published a scientific statement on 
> alternative approaches to reducing blood pressure, which included a critical 
> evaluation of research on meditation techniques, including the Transcendental 
> Meditation technique (TM). Here is what the AHA's statement said about the TM 
> technique and other meditation practices:
> “TM may be considered in clinical practice to lower BP.
> Because of many negative studies or mixed results and a paucity of available 
> trials, all other meditation techniques (including MBSR [Mindfulness-Based 
> Stress Reduction]) received a Class III, no benefit, Level of Evidence C 
> recommendation .
> Thus, other meditation techniques are not recommended in clinical practice to 
> lower BP at this time.”
> Here is a link to the full report:
> http://hyper.ahajournals.org/content/early/2013/04/22/HYP.0b013e318293645f.full.pdf+html?sid=0aea85a1-f240-4b68-8174-07ecc3e2cfec
>
>
> The following is a take on the AHA's statement by Dr. Robert Schneider, M.D., 
> leading researcher on the effects of TM on hypertension:
>
> While the AHA statement is conservative, they and other official medical 
> councils generally are, especially with vanguard therapies. However, the fact 
> that the AHA statement concluded that only Transcendental Meditation is 
> effective in lowering BP and that other meditation and relaxation techniques 
> are neither effective nor recommended is major. In addition, the AHA 
> statement reports that long-term T M practice leads to lower heart disease 
> clinical events. This was also not found for any other behavioral 
> intervention.
>
> Finally, it is noteworthy that this is the first time in 50 years of teaching 
> and researching Transcendental Meditation that it has been recognized and 
> recommended by a national medical organization that provides professional 
> practice guidelines to physicians, health care payers and policy makers. This 
> type of guideline statement has been what insurance companies have been 
> requesting from us for many years.
>
> For these reasons, this week's Scientific Statement from the American Heart 
> Association may be considered historic.
>

I'll say it again, lots of meditation programs can reduce blood 
pressure.  It's just that TM teachers wear suits.  The AHA doesn't want 
to send people to teachers wearing pajamas i.e. kurtajamis which many 
Indians wear which are cool in hot weather and American teachers in some 
paths adopt.  And then maybe Girish cut loose some big bucks as a 
donation to the AHA.

Most meditation programs and gurus aren't concerned about impressing 
western institutions.  They have their practices which have worked for 
centuries.  The idea that just using a beej akshara is somehow superior 
to a traditional mantra would be considered laughable. Example of how 
beej aksharas are used in making a planetary mantra for Ketu more powerful:

Om shram shreem shroum sah ketave namah

Base mantra would be: Om ketave namah

Mantras are formulas which are often enhanced by adding additional beej 
aksharas.  The technique of enhancing mantras is called samput.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: The American Heart Association Recommends TM for Hypertension

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:

> 
> In fact the only head to head study on BP between TM and mindfulness that I 
> am aware of DOES show that TM has a larger effect on BP than mindfulness.
> 
> The TM researchers will be very happy to cooperate with mindfulness 
> researchers in establishing "which is better," I am confident. It is the 
> mindfulness researchers who don't want to work with the TM researchers, as 
> far as I can tell, because the mindfulness researchers don't believe that TM 
> has any real effect worth investigating.


The real reason ofcourse is that they fear studies will show TM to be far 
superior to any Buddhist meditation. 
In fact, future research will be so strong in favor of TM that it will blow 
their (funny) hats off :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enemy of Mankind spreading Negativity

[Buck]

I feel it is quite time to invoke emergency measures here to protect the 
integrity of FFL as a public and spiritual forum.  Though I do not look for 
this position, but as it is now brought to us and if however brought and placed 
by a loyal Unified Field of FFL into a position of authority to wrought out the 
necessary positive change to FFL security I should willingly step forward and 
volunteer if drafted by the community to serve as a channel to help with this 
great task.  I look to all your support with this great endeavor to make FFL a 
spiritually safe place once again.  
-Buck

>
> 
> Yes, considering TM as being under a general blog internet attack here and 
> its ongoing specious forms of persistent FFL anti-meditation bush-whacking 
> terrorism; not withstanding, there are clearly some anti-meditation radicals 
> trying to live here among us who would blow up and derail passenger trains of 
> innocents crossing over river bridges if they could.  Stinking 
> anti-meditation terrorists.  It is time we do some things more to protect our 
> spiritual securities ourselves for all we love, our families, our friends and 
> our community.  It is time.
> -Buck 
> 
> > 
> > >
> > > (Fairfield, Iowa) Interviews with elderly meditators who reportedly knew 
> > > the anti-meditation suspects at earlier times, an elder meditator 
> > > remarks, 
> > > "Anti-meditation is the dark religion and the former meditators became 
> > > religiously anti-meditative".
> > > -0---
> > > 
> > >
> > 
> > Considering now that both the modern science and people's direct deeper 
> > spiritual experience are confirming first hand ancient and spiritual 
> > scriptures showing just how spiritually imperative transcending meditation 
> > practices are to all of humankind I feel it is important that we be more 
> > proactive in protecting ourselves from the radicalism of the 
> > anti-meditators here.
> > -Buck
> > 
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > About The FFL anti-meditation terrorism,
> > > > > 
> > > > > Buck, nobody on FFL is stopping anyone on this forum from meditation 
> > > > > who wants to meditate. There are those that feel that prospective 
> > > > > meditators would be better served by having a larger range of facts 
> > > > > (and in some cases fantasies) to chose from when making a decision. 
> > > > > There are some who do not understand what meditation can do, and some 
> > > > > who overstate what meditation can do. It is a tool for a particular 
> > > > > task. The task is to experience reality unvarnished as is possible. 
> > > > > As reality is all there is, this would seem to be a very peculiar 
> > > > > task, trying to find what is in fact the only thing that is. Because 
> > > > > most have a bee in their bonnet, there is a distractive element in 
> > > > > our lives that meditation is an aid for ameliorating.
> > > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > What a slick specious bunch of sophistry. By science and virtue of 
> > > > people's experience it is conclusive that all our public policy should 
> > > > be that people come to meditation for all our welfare.
> > > > -Buck   
> > > >  
> > > > > > (FAIRFIELD)-- The former meditators come from broken families of 
> > > > > > meditation, ...
> > > > > 
> > > > > Well the TMO and Fairfield are in certain ways broken communities 
> > > > > now. As people mature they find the simplistic ideal society model of 
> > > > > life slightly inaccurate when applied to living. In their awareness 
> > > > > everything may be ideal society, but the average joe on the street 
> > > > > would find the concept as applied to say the city of Fairfield, IA to 
> > > > > be appallingly short of the mark, if all details be made known.
> > > > > 
> > > > > ...and the remaining elder meditator speaking resplendent in 
> > > > > meditative light and spiritual triumph having survived many years of 
> > > > > organizational tumult along the way...
> > > > > 
> > > > > Sounds as if this guy is up on a pedestal, a top down manager, who 
> > > > > probably has no idea what the average meditator is going through.
> > > > > 
> > > > > ...said "..these former meditators brought shame to the meditating 
> > > > > family". The  former meditators were last seen meditating with the 
> > > > > group in December 2005 and 1978 respectively.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Shame is the emotion experienced by an ego with low self-esteem; if 
> > > > > this elder is experiencing this, or attempting to get others to 
> > > > > experience life this way, he/she has no business being an elder, or 
> > > > > being any kind of an instructor for the benefit of life. The elder 
> > > > > would serve best by guiding people strong, independent, and wise
> > > > > 
> > > > > > "You put a shame on our entire family -- the meditating family -- 
> > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: The American Heart Association Recommends TM for Hypertension

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:

> 
> What it adds to a discussion on HBP is that the TM press release
> was misleading. TM press releases are often misleading (I know,
> I used to help write them)

Interesting claim. I guess the british lurkers here would be intersted to know 
which pressreleases were written by you and not Peter Warburton.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enemy of Mankind spreading Negativity

[Buck]

Friends, as a means to have constructive engagement with these nay-bobs of 
anti-meditation negativity here,
In process first we need to enact a FFL resolution of mutual respect
to have something in all our favor to rally around to enforce against the 
anti-meditators here.  As a motion of consideration I hereby move the adoption 
of the 
The FFL Saha Nav Resolution.
For top banner publication across the FFL homepage.
-Buck

>
> 
> I feel it is quite time to invoke emergency measures here to protect the 
> integrity of FFL as a public and spiritual forum.  Though I do not look for 
> this position, but as it is now brought to us and if however brought and 
> placed by a loyal Unified Field of FFL into a position of authority to 
> wrought out the necessary positive change to FFL security I should willingly 
> step forward and volunteer if drafted by the community to serve as a channel 
> to help with this great task.  I look to all your support with this great 
> endeavor to make FFL a spiritually safe place once again.  
> -Buck
> 
> >
> > 
> > Yes, considering TM as being under a general blog internet attack here and 
> > its ongoing specious forms of persistent FFL anti-meditation bush-whacking 
> > terrorism; not withstanding, there are clearly some anti-meditation 
> > radicals trying to live here among us who would blow up and derail 
> > passenger trains of innocents crossing over river bridges if they could.  
> > Stinking anti-meditation terrorists.  It is time we do some things more to 
> > protect our spiritual securities ourselves for all we love, our families, 
> > our friends and our community.  It is time.
> > -Buck 
> > 
> > > 
> > > >
> > > > (Fairfield, Iowa) Interviews with elderly meditators who reportedly 
> > > > knew the anti-meditation suspects at earlier times, an elder meditator 
> > > > remarks, 
> > > > "Anti-meditation is the dark religion and the former meditators became 
> > > > religiously anti-meditative".
> > > > -0---
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > 
> > > Considering now that both the modern science and people's direct deeper 
> > > spiritual experience are confirming first hand ancient and spiritual 
> > > scriptures showing just how spiritually imperative transcending 
> > > meditation practices are to all of humankind I feel it is important that 
> > > we be more proactive in protecting ourselves from the radicalism of the 
> > > anti-meditators here.
> > > -Buck
> > > 
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > About The FFL anti-meditation terrorism,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Buck, nobody on FFL is stopping anyone on this forum from 
> > > > > > meditation who wants to meditate. There are those that feel that 
> > > > > > prospective meditators would be better served by having a larger 
> > > > > > range of facts (and in some cases fantasies) to chose from when 
> > > > > > making a decision. There are some who do not understand what 
> > > > > > meditation can do, and some who overstate what meditation can do. 
> > > > > > It is a tool for a particular task. The task is to experience 
> > > > > > reality unvarnished as is possible. As reality is all there is, 
> > > > > > this would seem to be a very peculiar task, trying to find what is 
> > > > > > in fact the only thing that is. Because most have a bee in their 
> > > > > > bonnet, there is a distractive element in our lives that meditation 
> > > > > > is an aid for ameliorating.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > What a slick specious bunch of sophistry. By science and virtue of 
> > > > > people's experience it is conclusive that all our public policy 
> > > > > should be that people come to meditation for all our welfare.
> > > > > -Buck   
> > > > >  
> > > > > > > (FAIRFIELD)-- The former meditators come from broken families of 
> > > > > > > meditation, ...
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Well the TMO and Fairfield are in certain ways broken communities 
> > > > > > now. As people mature they find the simplistic ideal society model 
> > > > > > of life slightly inaccurate when applied to living. In their 
> > > > > > awareness everything may be ideal society, but the average joe on 
> > > > > > the street would find the concept as applied to say the city of 
> > > > > > Fairfield, IA to be appallingly short of the mark, if all details 
> > > > > > be made known.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > ...and the remaining elder meditator speaking resplendent in 
> > > > > > meditative light and spiritual triumph having survived many years 
> > > > > > of organizational tumult along the way...
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Sounds as if this guy is up on a pedestal, a top down manager, who 
> > > > > > probably has no idea what the average meditator is going through.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > ...said "..these former meditators brought shame to the meditati

[FairfieldLife] Re: The TM hymn on Negativity

[Buck]

Yes, I suggest we adopt this more correct Saha Nav Hymn as a code of conduct 
for posting on FairfieldLife. 
-Buck

> 
> You know, the TM Hymn on Negativity
> I should think it would make a nice unified code of conduct as an inclusive 
> guideline for posting on FairfieldLife..  Particularly for posting negativity 
> here on FFL.  You know, posting on FFL is a privilege, not a right.  We 
> should do more to protect that privilege.  This is a simple guideline that is 
> very easily enforced.  Coulld just revoke someone's FFL membership when they 
> violate it.  For being negative like that. 
> 
> Have it on the homepage as part of the forum description so it comes up every 
> time.  It's a uniform code of justice to attend to that we could all use and 
> our moderators enforce. We'd all be better off and the list a safer place to 
> be.
> 
> Sincerely,
> -Buck
> 
> Om ! May the Unified Field protect us both together; 
> may It nourish us both together;
> May we work conjointly with great energy,
> May our study be vigorous and effective;
> May we not mutually dispute 
> or may we not hate any.
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  >
> > 
> > I kind of suspected you'd come up with the more correct translation of that 
> > hymn. Thanks Cardm,
> > 
> > Om ! May the Unified Field protect us both together; 
> > may It nourish us both together;
> > May we work conjointly with great energy,
> > May our study be vigorous and effective;
> > May we not mutually dispute (or may we not hate any).
> >   
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Om Jeezus X-mas, they've been chanting it wrong all this time!
> > > > > > Well then, no wonder.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > saha nau avatu . 
> > > > > > saha nau bhunaktu . 
> > > > > > saha viiryaM karavaavahai .
> > > > > > tejasvi nau; 
> > > > > > adhiitam astu maa vidviSaavahai . 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > That's pada-paaTha (word-reading), so to speak.
> > > > > The saMhitaa-paaTha goes like this:
> > > > > 
> > > > >  saha naav avatu . saha nau bhunaktu . saha viiryaM karavaavahai .
> > > > >  tejasvi naav adhiitam astu maa vidviSaavahai .
> > > > > 
> > > > > That is, before a *vowel*, 'nau' changes to 'naav',
> > > > > without any effect on the *semantic* level.
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > This seems to be the most accurate translation I could
> > > > find quickly:
> > > > 
> > > > Om ! May He protect us both together; may He nourish us both together;
> > > > May we work conjointly with great energy,
> > > > May our study be vigorous and effective;
> > > > May we not mutually dispute (or may we not hate any).
> > > >
> > > 
> > > Oh, so that's the correct translation.  For us meditators here, it reads 
> > > really well substituting in `Unified Field.  It's beautiful even if it is 
> > > not the way Maharishi and Bevan used it. 
> > > 
> > > Om ! May the Unified Field protect us both together; 
> > > may It nourish us both together;
> > > May we work conjointly with great energy,
> > > May our study be vigorous and effective;
> > > May we not mutually dispute (or may we not hate any).
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  
> > > >  May He protect (avatu) us both (nau [~now] accusative *dual*) together 
> > > > (saha);
> > > >  may He nourish (bhunaktu) us both (nau) together (saha);
> > > > May we work (karavaavahai) conjointly (saha) 
> > > > with great energy (viiryam),
> > > > May our study be (adhiitam [study] astu [may (it) be])
> > > >  vigorous-and-effective (tejasvi);
> > > > May we not (maa: 'we' in the verb ->) mutually-dispute (vidviSaavahai)
> > > > (or may we not hate any: vidviSaavahai).
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The American Heart Association Recommends TM for Hypertension

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:

>> In fact the only head to head study on BP between TM and mindfulness that I 
>> am aware of DOES show that TM has a larger effect on BP than mindfulness.
>> 
>> The TM researchers will be very happy to cooperate with mindfulness 
>> researchers in establishing "which is better," I am confident. It is the 
>> mindfulness researchers who don't want to work with the TM researchers, as 
>> far as I can tell, because the mindfulness researchers don't believe that TM 
>> has any real effect worth investigating.
> 
> The real reason ofcourse is that they fear studies will show TM to be far 
> superior to any Buddhist meditation. 
> In fact, future research will be so strong in favor of TM that it will blow 
> their (funny) hats off :-)

The original post by Dick Mays is selective use of information. Here is the 
conclusion of the paper that was quoted:

'Numerous alternative approaches for lowering BP have been evaluated during the 
past few decades. The strongest evidence supports the effectiveness of using 
aerobic and/or dynamic resistance exercise for the adjuvant treatment of high 
BP. Biofeedback techniques, isometric handgrip, and device-guided breathing 
methods are also likely effective treatments. There is insufficient or 
inconclusive evidence at the present time to recommend the use of the other 
techniques reviewed in this scientific statement for the purposes of treating 
overt hypertension or prehypertension.'

Thus, based on the evidence evaluated in this paper, no meditation technique 
makes the cut in comparison to aerobic exercise.

Aerobic exercise was by far the best: Procedure/Treatment SHOULD be performed 
based on data derived from multiple randomized clinical trials and 
meta-analyses.

For TM the result was: Procedure/Treatment MAY BE considered, additional 
studies with broad objectives needed; additional registry data would be 
helpful. Data derived from a single study or nonrandomized studies.

Movement hype. Since practicing TM, my blood pressure has increased. This is 
not a clinical trial though, my personal result does not count for or against 
the possibility that TM might reduce blood pressure generally in a large group, 
that is BP would go down in more people than up. It is just not certain that it 
actually does this.

The real reason to practice a meditation technique is to find out what is real. 
Could this actually work?

[FairfieldLife] Re: The American Heart Association Recommends TM for Hypertension

[doctordumbass]

wasn't it Tibetan Lama Risotto No Tuba who proclaimed, "Knowledge Is Structured 
In Funny Hats."?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> 
> > 
> > In fact the only head to head study on BP between TM and mindfulness that I 
> > am aware of DOES show that TM has a larger effect on BP than mindfulness.
> > 
> > The TM researchers will be very happy to cooperate with mindfulness 
> > researchers in establishing "which is better," I am confident. It is the 
> > mindfulness researchers who don't want to work with the TM researchers, as 
> > far as I can tell, because the mindfulness researchers don't believe that 
> > TM has any real effect worth investigating.
> 
> 
> The real reason ofcourse is that they fear studies will show TM to be far 
> superior to any Buddhist meditation. 
> In fact, future research will be so strong in favor of TM that it will blow 
> their (funny) hats off :-)
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enemy of Mankind spreading Negativity

[Buck]

FFL Moderators, List Owner, Friends; as a motion for consideration, I move we 
consider the adoption of the more correct translation of the Saha Nav hymn as:

The Fairfieldlife (FFL) Resolution of Mutual Respect: 

Om ! May the Unified Field protect us both together;
May It nourish us both together;
May we work conjointly with great energy,
May our study be vigorous and effective;
May we not mutually dispute or may we not hate any. 

-Buck

>
> 
> Friends, as a means to have constructive engagement with these nay-bobs of 
> anti-meditation negativity here,
> In process first we need to enact a FFL resolution of mutual respect
> to have something in all our favor to rally around to enforce against the 
> anti-meditators here.  As a motion of consideration I hereby move the 
> adoption of the 
> The FFL Saha Nav Resolution.
> For top banner publication across the FFL homepage.
> -Buck
>
> >
> > 
> > I feel it is quite time to invoke emergency measures here to protect the 
> > integrity of FFL as a public and spiritual forum.  Though I do not look for 
> > this position, but as it is now brought to us and if however brought and 
> > placed by a loyal Unified Field of FFL into a position of authority to 
> > wrought out the necessary positive change to FFL security I should 
> > willingly step forward and volunteer if drafted by the community to serve 
> > as a channel to help with this great task.  I look to all your support with 
> > this great endeavor to make FFL a spiritually safe place once again.  
> > -Buck
> > 
> > >
> > > 
> > > Yes, considering TM as being under a general blog internet attack here 
> > > and its ongoing specious forms of persistent FFL anti-meditation 
> > > bush-whacking terrorism; not withstanding, there are clearly some 
> > > anti-meditation radicals trying to live here among us who would blow up 
> > > and derail passenger trains of innocents crossing over river bridges if 
> > > they could.  Stinking anti-meditation terrorists.  It is time we do some 
> > > things more to protect our spiritual securities ourselves for all we 
> > > love, our families, our friends and our community.  It is time.
> > > -Buck 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > >
> > > > > (Fairfield, Iowa) Interviews with elderly meditators who reportedly 
> > > > > knew the anti-meditation suspects at earlier times, an elder 
> > > > > meditator remarks, 
> > > > > "Anti-meditation is the dark religion and the former meditators 
> > > > > became religiously anti-meditative".
> > > > > -0---
> > > > > 
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > Considering now that both the modern science and people's direct deeper 
> > > > spiritual experience are confirming first hand ancient and spiritual 
> > > > scriptures showing just how spiritually imperative transcending 
> > > > meditation practices are to all of humankind I feel it is important 
> > > > that we be more proactive in protecting ourselves from the radicalism 
> > > > of the anti-meditators here.
> > > > -Buck
> > > > 
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > About The FFL anti-meditation terrorism,
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Buck, nobody on FFL is stopping anyone on this forum from 
> > > > > > > meditation who wants to meditate. There are those that feel that 
> > > > > > > prospective meditators would be better served by having a larger 
> > > > > > > range of facts (and in some cases fantasies) to chose from when 
> > > > > > > making a decision. There are some who do not understand what 
> > > > > > > meditation can do, and some who overstate what meditation can do. 
> > > > > > > It is a tool for a particular task. The task is to experience 
> > > > > > > reality unvarnished as is possible. As reality is all there is, 
> > > > > > > this would seem to be a very peculiar task, trying to find what 
> > > > > > > is in fact the only thing that is. Because most have a bee in 
> > > > > > > their bonnet, there is a distractive element in our lives that 
> > > > > > > meditation is an aid for ameliorating.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > What a slick specious bunch of sophistry. By science and virtue of 
> > > > > > people's experience it is conclusive that all our public policy 
> > > > > > should be that people come to meditation for all our welfare.
> > > > > > -Buck   
> > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > (FAIRFIELD)-- The former meditators come from broken families 
> > > > > > > > of meditation, ...
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Well the TMO and Fairfield are in certain ways broken communities 
> > > > > > > now. As people mature they find the simplistic ideal society 
> > > > > > > model of life slightly inaccurate when applied to living. In 
> > > > > > > their awareness everything may be ideal society, but the average 
> > > > > > > joe on the street would find t

[FairfieldLife] New Video: Iowa State Trampoline Champions

[raunchydog]

Thirteen of Fairfield's fabulous flyers attended the USTA Iowa State 
Championship trampoline competition in Pella, Iowa, on Saturday, April 20, 
2013, and all of the lucky thirteen qualified to go on to Nationals in June. 
Four members of the Fairfield Parks and Rec team leaped their way into first 
place status and were named Iowa State Champions in their respective events: 

Juliette in Sub-advanced girls, age 8 & under, with a score of 17.0; Olivia in 
Novice girls, age 10, with a score of 17.3; Bryanna in Beginner girls, 11 and 
over, with a score of 17.2; and Justin in Intermediate boys, with a score of 
12.4.

Other members of the team: Kristin, Sub-Advanced girls, 13-14; Kiara, Beginner 
girls, 8; Michelle, Beginner girls 9; Taryn, Beginner girls 10; Ashlyn, 
Intermediate girls 13-14; Maddy & Maggie, Novice Girls 13-14; Ella, 
Intermediate girls 11-12; and Gracey, Novice girls 8.

All of the competitors received trophies as well as "boarding passes" entitling 
them to compete in the National Championship USTA meet in Fort Lauderdale, 
Florida, beginning on June 18, 2013.
http://youtu.be/90NoCP2K0Kk

[FairfieldLife] Re: The American Heart Association Recommends TM for Hypertension

[sparaig]

Actually, both biofeedback and TM received the same rating for evidence and 
effectiveness. The wording in the summary of the biofeedback section is the 
same as for TM: "may be considered."

Looking more carefully at the two modalities, it looks like TM may actually be 
more effective than biofeedback, but I'm running late, and the text is rather 
small so I won't claim for sure until I reread it when I get back.

My guess is that, given the equivalent wording and roughly equivalent (?) 
results for TM and biofeedback, not mentioning TM while mentioning biofeedback 
in the conclusion was an oversight, but of course, I am often wrong.

L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> 
> >> In fact the only head to head study on BP between TM and mindfulness that 
> >> I am aware of DOES show that TM has a larger effect on BP than mindfulness.
> >> 
> >> The TM researchers will be very happy to cooperate with mindfulness 
> >> researchers in establishing "which is better," I am confident. It is the 
> >> mindfulness researchers who don't want to work with the TM researchers, as 
> >> far as I can tell, because the mindfulness researchers don't believe that 
> >> TM has any real effect worth investigating.
> > 
> > The real reason ofcourse is that they fear studies will show TM to be far 
> > superior to any Buddhist meditation. 
> > In fact, future research will be so strong in favor of TM that it will blow 
> > their (funny) hats off :-)
> 
> The original post by Dick Mays is selective use of information. Here is the 
> conclusion of the paper that was quoted:
> 
> 'Numerous alternative approaches for lowering BP have been evaluated during 
> the past few decades. The strongest evidence supports the effectiveness of 
> using aerobic and/or dynamic resistance exercise for the adjuvant treatment 
> of high BP. Biofeedback techniques, isometric handgrip, and device-guided 
> breathing methods are also likely effective treatments. There is insufficient 
> or inconclusive evidence at the present time to recommend the use of the 
> other techniques reviewed in this scientific statement for the purposes of 
> treating overt hypertension or prehypertension.'
> 
> Thus, based on the evidence evaluated in this paper, no meditation technique 
> makes the cut in comparison to aerobic exercise.
> 
> Aerobic exercise was by far the best: Procedure/Treatment SHOULD be performed 
> based on data derived from multiple randomized clinical trials and 
> meta-analyses.
> 
> For TM the result was: Procedure/Treatment MAY BE considered, additional 
> studies with broad objectives needed; additional registry data would be 
> helpful. Data derived from a single study or nonrandomized studies.
> 
> Movement hype. Since practicing TM, my blood pressure has increased. This is 
> not a clinical trial though, my personal result does not count for or against 
> the possibility that TM might reduce blood pressure generally in a large 
> group, that is BP would go down in more people than up. It is just not 
> certain that it actually does this.
> 
> The real reason to practice a meditation technique is to find out what is 
> real. Could this actually work?
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The American Heart Association Recommends TM for Hypertension

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote:
>
> wasn't it Tibetan Lama Risotto No Tuba who proclaimed, "Knowledge Is
Structured In Funny Hats."?


That's right, it's the guy on the left :-)


480 × 360 - blogs.transparent.com
 

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The American Heart Association Recommends TM for Hypertension

[salyavin808]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
> 
> > 
> > What it adds to a discussion on HBP is that the TM press release
> > was misleading. TM press releases are often misleading (I know,
> > I used to help write them)
> 
> Interesting claim. I guess the british lurkers here would be intersted to 
> know which pressreleases were written by you and not Peter Warburton.


Help write them Nabby. Help write them.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Psychological Rape

[Share Long]

Xeno, I've been out of town today.  Shopping for my foray into the big city.  
Thank you for this even though I know you did not write it for me or for my 
big, fat, stupid ego.  Hope you won't gag when I say how healing this is for me 
to read.  Oy, more ego!  What you did here, the time and attention you put into 
it, really feels like a labor of love, love for what is.  I didn't even freak 
out too much when I read that I did say psychologically raped instead of rape.  
But I remember how I felt, especially at that point in time when ego had been 
invaded uninvited and pulverized for a few weeks and not only by Robin.  
Extremely upset and still reeling from events I'd never experienced before.  So 
out popped a phrase that I had not used before nor that was so familiar too me. 
 But felt spot on nonetheless.  


I'm so grateful that I'm gonna shut up now (-:



 From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 1:00 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Psychological Rape
 


  
Psychological rape is a term that does not seem to have much of a fixed 
professional definition in psychology. It sometimes is applied to parents who 
drug their children to keep them under control. On a common sense level, the 
term would seem to imply a kind of invasiveness into one's private space. That 
private space is the ego, our sense of individuality and self. There are other 
private spaces, such as the experience that some call transcendental 
consciousness, which at a certain point in practice, seems deep inside. But 
this space (TC) has no characteristics other than the sense of wakefulness, so 
it really does not do anything, or provide one with an individual identity; it 
has no identity other than bare existence, it is neither private or public, 
though the experience seems to be restricted to the individual body, which we 
gather from the experience of coming out of a deep meditation, that that 
experience occurred somehow in what we are. 

Share used this term 'psychological rape' in reference to Robin. I take this to 
mean invasion of that personal space we call the ego, our sense of self as an 
individual person, or at a minimum, the sense that our human body is a locus or 
point of focus for experience. The ego is a big problem in spirituality because 
it is seen as an obstacle to universal experience, it is the process that makes 
us seem as if we are special in some way. It divides us from everything else. 
So one way to attempt to get rid of the ego, so we can experience unity 
(non-division with the world about us) is to try to manipulate it or attack it. 

But this is the point of maximum resistance. The ego is that in us which wants 
us as individuals to survive and never die. Subjugating the ego has to be an 
inside job. It has to be eaten away from inside. This is why meditative 
techniques may be important because they give our experience a wider dimension 
than just the ego, they put the ego in a larger space. Because we are not 
really our ego (so the spiritual talk goes), eventually, if we are lucky, we 
begin to see that this thing we call our ego, our 'me' is not such a hot thing. 
The ego cannot really be taken down much until a substantial experience of 
unity dawns because unity provides a big enough space around ego to manoeuvre 
it into lesser importance. CC, experiencing yourself as pure consciousness 
inside, as silence inside while in activity is too small a puddle of spiritual 
value to kick ego off its perch. We can be ass holes in waking awareness, ass 
holes in CC, and even ass holes in unity. The
 ego is the most subtle beast in the field, and given its chance, it can take 
these spiritual benchmark experiences and subvert their potential to its own 
machinations. Then you become a spiritual ass hole. Your AssHoliness if you 
will. I will venture to say no one ever escapes becoming a spiritual ass hole 
at some point in their journey.

Robin's technique was to saddle up to you kind of friendly like, and then 
attempt to get you to see reality by taking down the ego, by attacking it. And 
it resists. It does anything to survive. Robin's method, as applied in the 
past, and seemingly also recently, though he has claimed he is changed, is 
basically to trash the ego, the individual. I find this strange because of his 
emphasis on personal ontology. If the ego goes, so does personal ontology. 
Without the ego, there is no internal 'self' with which to experience the 
world. Therefore I would conclude that Robin's method is deceptive in that 
getting to see reality by way of personal ontology is an impossibility. My view 
is that personal ontology is the main reason, that whatever reality there is 
that is possible for a human body to experience, that reality is *not* 
experienced.

The following quotation (so I read) was published in Ms. magazine some years 
ago. It describes psychological rape in the manner that a nu

[FairfieldLife] Re: to azgrey was what a Sunday on FFL

[azgrey]

dirty fingernails
of future perch owls converse  
moist seedlings nourished in desert soil
arbor day complete

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> In Nebraska there is a holiday for planting trees
> for owls to perch in, watching the begonias grow, then
> drop their petals onto the green and silent grass
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: azgrey 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 3:21 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to azgrey was what a Sunday on FFL
>  
> 
> 
>   
> the hurler of curses and insults
> spinning truth as though it is a dreidel
> fails again and again
> 
> succeeds only in revealing 
> inner darkness
> poisoned words from disturbed mind
> 
> earth day echoes in native nebraskan's consciousness
> arbor day planting day after next
> desert willow- chilopsis linearis
> while mindful of grateful dead scarlet begonias earworm
> "and i knew without asking she was into the blues" 
> 
> soft smile dreams of lush lawns as owls converse
> "too pat to open and too cool to bluff"
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > Earth Day is ending, the lawn
> > of my lady-parts is still not green.
> > Has J's curse gone astray, dear grey?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: azgrey 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 6:14 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: what a Sunday on FFL
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > Dear Share, 
> > 
> > Google has a full translation function. I'm not sure that
> > the Jerseyese section contains all of the dialects as what
> > I came up with is she either wants to preform sanyama
> > on your lawn or is expressing an unnatural interest in the 
> > operation of your lady-parts. 
> > 
> > Alex might be able to help as he seen to be a native speaker. 
> > He might have to first get a refill on his ointment. 
> > 
> > Hugs, 
> > 
> > azgrey 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Share, are you familiar with the expression "Blow it
> > > out your ass"?
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Judy, your biases are noted.  As is your continuing self
> > > > delusion about the presence of those biases and your ongoing 
> > > > inability to see more complete truth much less express it.
> > > (snip)
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > > > (snip)
> > > > > from Judy, best expression of her *hypochondria:  I'm allergic
> > > > > to dishonesty.
> > > > (snip)
> > > > > *hypochondria n. The persistent conviction that one is or is
> > > > > likely to become ill, often involving symptoms when illness
> > > > > is neither present nor likely,
> > > > 
> > > > Says the person who has to her discredit an *astounding*
> > > > number of examples of the most flagrant dishonesty--most
> > > > recently her combined smear of raunchy and Robin today--
> > > > including rewriting history as documented by *her own 
> > > > posts*, and who has been unable either to explain away
> > > > the dishonesty or acknowledge it.
> > > > 
> > > > (And by the way, the symptoms of allergy *are* the illness.)
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enemy of Mankind spreading Negativity

[wleed3]

Amen to this buck



In a message dated 04/26/13 16:15:50 Eastern Daylight Time, 
dhamiltony...@yahoo.com writes:
FFL Moderators, List Owner, Friends; as a motion for consideration, I move we 
consider the adoption of the more correct translation of the Saha Nav hymn as: 

The Fairfieldlife (FFL) Resolution of Mutual Respect: 

Om ! May the Unified Field protect us both together; 
May It nourish us both together; 
May we work conjointly with great energy, 
May our study be vigorous and effective; 
May we not mutually dispute or may we not hate any. 

-Buck 

> 
> 
> Friends, as a means to have constructive engagement with these nay-bobs of 
> anti-meditation negativity here, 
> In process first we need to enact a FFL resolution of mutual respect 
> to have something in all our favor to rally around to enforce against the 
> anti-meditators here.  As a motion of consideration I hereby move the 
> adoption of the 
> The FFL Saha Nav Resolution. 
> For top banner publication across the FFL homepage. 
> -Buck 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > I feel it is quite time to invoke emergency measures here to protect the 
> > integrity of FFL as a public and spiritual forum.  Though I do not look for 
> > this position, but as it is now brought to us and if however brought and 
> > placed by a loyal Unified Field of FFL into a position of authority to 
> > wrought out the necessary positive change to FFL security I should 
> > willingly step forward and volunteer if drafted by the community to serve 
> > as a channel to help with this great task.  I look to all your support with 
> > this great endeavor to make FFL a spiritually safe place once again.   
> > -Buck 
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Yes, considering TM as being under a general blog internet attack here 
> > > and its ongoing specious forms of persistent FFL anti-meditation 
> > > bush-whacking terrorism; not withstanding, there are clearly some 
> > > anti-meditation radicals trying to live here among us who would blow up 
> > > and derail passenger trains of innocents crossing over river bridges if 
> > > they could.  Stinking anti-meditation terrorists.  It is time we do some 
> > > things more to protect our spiritual securities ourselves for all we 
> > > love, our families, our friends and our community.  It is time. 
> > > -Buck 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > (Fairfield, Iowa) Interviews with elderly meditators who reportedly 
> > > > > knew the anti-meditation suspects at earlier times, an elder 
> > > > > meditator remarks, 
> > > > > "Anti-meditation is the dark religion and the former meditators 
> > > > > became religiously anti-meditative". 
> > > > > -0--- 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Considering now that both the modern science and people's direct deeper 
> > > > spiritual experience are confirming first hand ancient and spiritual 
> > > > scriptures showing just how spiritually imperative transcending 
> > > > meditation practices are to all of humankind I feel it is important 
> > > > that we be more proactive in protecting ourselves from the radicalism 
> > > > of the anti-meditators here. 
> > > > -Buck 
> > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> > > > > >  wrote: 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > About The FFL anti-meditation terrorism, 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Buck, nobody on FFL is stopping anyone on this forum from 
> > > > > > > meditation who wants to meditate. There are those that feel that 
> > > > > > > prospective meditators would be better served by having a larger 
> > > > > > > range of facts (and in some cases fantasies) to chose from when 
> > > > > > > making a decision. There are some who do not understand what 
> > > > > > > meditation can do, and some who overstate what meditation can do. 
> > > > > > > It is a tool for a particular task. The task is to experience 
> > > > > > > reality unvarnished as is possible. As reality is all there is, 
> > > > > > > this would seem to be a very peculiar task, trying to find what 
> > > > > > > is in fact the only thing that is. Because most have a bee in 
> > > > > > > their bonnet, there is a distractive element in our lives that 
> > > > > > > meditation is an aid for ameliorating. 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > What a slick specious bunch of sophistry. By science and virtue of 
> > > > > > people's experience it is conclusive that all our public policy 
> > > > > > should be that people come to meditation for all our welfare. 
> > > > > > -Buck   
> > > > > >   
> > > > > > > > (FAIRFIELD)-- The former meditators come from broken families 
> > > > > > > > of meditation, ... 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Well the TMO and Fairfield are in certain ways broken communities 
> > > > > > > now. As people mature they find the simplistic ideal society 
> > > > > > > model of life slightly inaccurate when

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enemy of Mankind spreading Negativity

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> FFL Moderators, List Owner, Friends; as a motion for consideration, I move we 
> consider the adoption of the more correct translation of the Saha Nav hymn as:
> 
> The Fairfieldlife (FFL) Resolution of Mutual Respect: 
> 
> Om ! May the Unified Field protect us both together;
> May It nourish us both together;
> May we work conjointly with great energy,
> May our study be vigorous and effective;
> May we not mutually dispute or may we not hate any. 
> 
> -Buck
> 

Buck, I'm totally on the same wavelength with respect to this important matter, 
and I'd give it my full attention and consideration, if only I could just stop 
thinking about your tits.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enemy of Mankind spreading Negativity

[Bhairitu]

On 04/26/2013 02:38 PM, Alex Stanley wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>> FFL Moderators, List Owner, Friends; as a motion for consideration, I move 
>> we consider the adoption of the more correct translation of the Saha Nav 
>> hymn as:
>>
>> The Fairfieldlife (FFL) Resolution of Mutual Respect:
>>
>> Om ! May the Unified Field protect us both together;
>> May It nourish us both together;
>> May we work conjointly with great energy,
>> May our study be vigorous and effective;
>> May we not mutually dispute or may we not hate any.
>>
>> -Buck
>>
> Buck, I'm totally on the same wavelength with respect to this important 
> matter, and I'd give it my full attention and consideration, if only I could 
> just stop thinking about your tits.
>
>

I think the two of us could accommodate Buck with his own custom version 
of FFL for a measly $150K.  It could auto generate all the posts he 
wants to see.  No one would see it but him of course. :-D

Re: [FairfieldLife] Psychological Rape

[Ravi Chivukula]

OMG - what a fucking idiot you are Xeno.

So much analysis, concepts yet ultimately just garbage, totally obscuring the 
facts, obscuring reality, deceiving yourself. You are the epitome of how one 
can use logic, analysis yet be far far away from truth.

Totally blind to your hypocrisy and bullshit -  the fact that it's all 
platitudes when you confronted with conflict and dishonest behavior yet strong 
words for Robin, Judy - what gives Guru Xeno?

Why is not Robin explained away using the generic concepts of ego, delusion, 
pure consciousness, CC, UC, GC instead of the malicious falsehoods you spread - 
invasive, deceptive, trashing, insincere - what gives Guru Xeno?

Why is this not your ego, delusion, your assholiness any more?

You remind of a retard named tartbrain who used to post here, he was all 
love-bliss when faced with conflict, dishonesty, deception. May be you are the 
retarded tartbrain?



On Apr 26, 2013, at 11:00 AM, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  
wrote:

> Psychological rape is a term that does not seem to have much of a fixed 
> professional definition in psychology. It sometimes is applied to parents who 
> drug their children to keep them under control. On a common sense level, the 
> term would seem to imply a kind of invasiveness into one's private space. 
> That private space is the ego, our sense of individuality and self. There are 
> other private spaces, such as the experience that some call transcendental 
> consciousness, which at a certain point in practice, seems deep inside. But 
> this space (TC) has no characteristics other than the sense of wakefulness, 
> so it really does not do anything, or provide one with an individual 
> identity; it has no identity other than bare existence, it is neither private 
> or public, though the experience seems to be restricted to the individual 
> body, which we gather from the experience of coming out of a deep meditation, 
> that that experience occurred somehow in what we are. 
> 
> Share used this term 'psychological rape' in reference to Robin. I take this 
> to mean invasion of that personal space we call the ego, our sense of self as 
> an individual person, or at a minimum, the sense that our human body is a 
> locus or point of focus for experience. The ego is a big problem in 
> spirituality because it is seen as an obstacle to universal experience, it is 
> the process that makes us seem as if we are special in some way. It divides 
> us from everything else. So one way to attempt to get rid of the ego, so we 
> can experience unity (non-division with the world about us) is to try to 
> manipulate it or attack it. 
> 
> But this is the point of maximum resistance. The ego is that in us which 
> wants us as individuals to survive and never die. Subjugating the ego has to 
> be an inside job. It has to be eaten away from inside. This is why meditative 
> techniques may be important because they give our experience a wider 
> dimension than just the ego, they put the ego in a larger space. Because we 
> are not really our ego (so the spiritual talk goes), eventually, if we are 
> lucky, we begin to see that this thing we call our ego, our 'me' is not such 
> a hot thing. The ego cannot really be taken down much until a substantial 
> experience of unity dawns because unity provides a big enough space around 
> ego to manoeuvre it into lesser importance. CC, experiencing yourself as pure 
> consciousness inside, as silence inside while in activity is too small a 
> puddle of spiritual value to kick ego off its perch. We can be ass holes in 
> waking awareness, ass holes in CC, and even ass holes in unity. The ego is 
> the most subtle beast in the field, and given its chance, it can take these 
> spiritual benchmark experiences and subvert their potential to its own 
> machinations. Then you become a spiritual ass hole. Your AssHoliness if you 
> will. I will venture to say no one ever escapes becoming a spiritual ass hole 
> at some point in their journey.
> 
> Robin's technique was to saddle up to you kind of friendly like, and then 
> attempt to get you to see reality by taking down the ego, by attacking it. 
> And it resists. It does anything to survive. Robin's method, as applied in 
> the past, and seemingly also recently, though he has claimed he is changed, 
> is basically to trash the ego, the individual. I find this strange because of 
> his emphasis on personal ontology. If the ego goes, so does personal 
> ontology. Without the ego, there is no internal 'self' with which to 
> experience the world. Therefore I would conclude that Robin's method is 
> deceptive in that getting to see reality by way of personal ontology is an 
> impossibility. My view is that personal ontology is the main reason, that 
> whatever reality there is that is possible for a human body to experience, 
> that reality is *not* experienced.
> 
> The following quotation (so I read) was published in Ms. magazine some years 
> ago. It describes psy

Re: [FairfieldLife] The American Heart Association Recommends TM for Hypertension

[Michael Jackson]

I am asking this in all seriousness, if mantras like this are effective, why 
doesn't everyone in India use whatever mantras would create financial 
prosperity and then everyone would have plenty of money?





 From: Bhairitu 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The American Heart Association Recommends TM for 
Hypertension
 

On 04/26/2013 03:49 AM, Dick Mays wrote:
> The American Heart Association Recommends TM for Hypertension
> (Published online April 22, 2013)
>
>
> Beyond Medications and Diet: Alternative Approaches to Lowering Blood Pressure
> A Scientific Statement from the American Heart Association
>
> An estimated 29% of American adults suffer from hypertension and it is 
> projected to affect >1.5 billion people by 2025. It accounts for 13.5% of all 
> deaths and half of all strokes and ischemic heart disease. The global 
> hypertension-related public health burden is enormous.
>
> The American Heart Association just published a scientific statement on 
> alternative approaches to reducing blood pressure, which included a critical 
> evaluation of research on meditation techniques, including the Transcendental 
> Meditation technique (TM). Here is what the AHA's statement said about the TM 
> technique and other meditation practices:
> “TM may be considered in clinical practice to lower BP.
> Because of many negative studies or mixed results and a paucity of available 
> trials, all other meditation techniques (including MBSR [Mindfulness-Based 
> Stress Reduction]) received a Class III, no benefit, Level of Evidence C 
> recommendation .
> Thus, other meditation techniques are not recommended in clinical practice to 
> lower BP at this time.”
> Here is a link to the full report:
> http://hyper.ahajournals.org/content/early/2013/04/22/HYP.0b013e318293645f.full.pdf+html?sid=0aea85a1-f240-4b68-8174-07ecc3e2cfec
>
>
> The following is a take on the AHA's statement by Dr. Robert Schneider, M.D., 
> leading researcher on the effects of TM on hypertension:
>
> While the AHA statement is conservative, they and other official medical 
> councils generally are, especially with vanguard therapies. However, the fact 
> that the AHA statement concluded that only Transcendental Meditation is 
> effective in lowering BP and that other meditation and relaxation techniques 
> are neither effective nor recommended is major. In addition, the AHA 
> statement reports that long-term T M practice leads to lower heart disease 
> clinical events. This was also not found for any other behavioral 
> intervention.
>
> Finally, it is noteworthy that this is the first time in 50 years of teaching 
> and researching Transcendental Meditation that it has been recognized and 
> recommended by a national medical organization that provides professional 
> practice guidelines to physicians, health care payers and policy makers. This 
> type of guideline statement has been what insurance companies have been 
> requesting from us for many years.
>
> For these reasons, this week's Scientific Statement from the American Heart 
> Association may be considered historic.
>

I'll say it again, lots of meditation programs can reduce blood 
pressure.  It's just that TM teachers wear suits.  The AHA doesn't want 
to send people to teachers wearing pajamas i.e. kurtajamis which many 
Indians wear which are cool in hot weather and American teachers in some 
paths adopt.  And then maybe Girish cut loose some big bucks as a 
donation to the AHA.

Most meditation programs and gurus aren't concerned about impressing 
western institutions.  They have their practices which have worked for 
centuries.  The idea that just using a beej akshara is somehow superior 
to a traditional mantra would be considered laughable. Example of how 
beej aksharas are used in making a planetary mantra for Ketu more powerful:

Om shram shreem shroum sah ketave namah

Base mantra would be: Om ketave namah

Mantras are formulas which are often enhanced by adding additional beej 
aksharas.  The technique of enhancing mantras is called samput.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Psychological Rape

[seventhray27]

Wowzer.  According to the Ravi meter, Xeno nailed it.  It is a most
reliable guide.  The more apoplectic Ravi becomes,the more you can be
sure someone has hit the mark.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
>
> OMG - what a fucking idiot you are Xeno.
>
> So much analysis, concepts yet ultimately just garbage, totally
obscuring the facts, obscuring reality, deceiving yourself. You are the
epitome of how one can use logic, analysis yet be far far away from
truth.
>
> Totally blind to your hypocrisy and bullshit -  the fact that it's all
platitudes when you confronted with conflict and dishonest behavior yet
strong words for Robin, Judy - what gives Guru Xeno?
>
> Why is not Robin explained away using the generic concepts of ego,
delusion, pure consciousness, CC, UC, GC instead of the malicious
falsehoods you spread - invasive, deceptive, trashing, insincere - what
gives Guru Xeno?
>
> Why is this not your ego, delusion, your assholiness any more?
>
> You remind of a retard named tartbrain who used to post here, he was
all love-bliss when faced with conflict, dishonesty, deception. May be
you are the retarded tartbrain?
>
>
>
> On Apr 26, 2013, at 11:00 AM, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" anartaxius@...
wrote:
>
> > Psychological rape is a term that does not seem to have much of a
fixed professional definition in psychology. It sometimes is applied to
parents who drug their children to keep them under control. On a common
sense level, the term would seem to imply a kind of invasiveness into
one's private space. That private space is the ego, our sense of
individuality and self. There are other private spaces, such as the
experience that some call transcendental consciousness, which at a
certain point in practice, seems deep inside. But this space (TC) has no
characteristics other than the sense of wakefulness, so it really does
not do anything, or provide one with an individual identity; it has no
identity other than bare existence, it is neither private or public,
though the experience seems to be restricted to the individual body,
which we gather from the experience of coming out of a deep meditation,
that that experience occurred somehow in what we are.
> >
> > Share used this term 'psychological rape' in reference to Robin. I
take this to mean invasion of that personal space we call the ego, our
sense of self as an individual person, or at a minimum, the sense that
our human body is a locus or point of focus for experience. The ego is a
big problem in spirituality because it is seen as an obstacle to
universal experience, it is the process that makes us seem as if we are
special in some way. It divides us from everything else. So one way to
attempt to get rid of the ego, so we can experience unity (non-division
with the world about us) is to try to manipulate it or attack it.
> >
> > But this is the point of maximum resistance. The ego is that in us
which wants us as individuals to survive and never die. Subjugating the
ego has to be an inside job. It has to be eaten away from inside. This
is why meditative techniques may be important because they give our
experience a wider dimension than just the ego, they put the ego in a
larger space. Because we are not really our ego (so the spiritual talk
goes), eventually, if we are lucky, we begin to see that this thing we
call our ego, our 'me' is not such a hot thing. The ego cannot really be
taken down much until a substantial experience of unity dawns because
unity provides a big enough space around ego to manoeuvre it into lesser
importance. CC, experiencing yourself as pure consciousness inside, as
silence inside while in activity is too small a puddle of spiritual
value to kick ego off its perch. We can be ass holes in waking
awareness, ass holes in CC, and even ass holes in unity. The ego is the
most subtle beast in the field, and given its chance, it can take these
spiritual benchmark experiences and subvert their potential to its own
machinations. Then you become a spiritual ass hole. Your AssHoliness if
you will. I will venture to say no one ever escapes becoming a spiritual
ass hole at some point in their journey.
> >
> > Robin's technique was to saddle up to you kind of friendly like, and
then attempt to get you to see reality by taking down the ego, by
attacking it. And it resists. It does anything to survive. Robin's
method, as applied in the past, and seemingly also recently, though he
has claimed he is changed, is basically to trash the ego, the
individual. I find this strange because of his emphasis on personal
ontology. If the ego goes, so does personal ontology. Without the ego,
there is no internal 'self' with which to experience the world.
Therefore I would conclude that Robin's method is deceptive in that
getting to see reality by way of personal ontology is an impossibility.
My view is that personal ontology is the main reason, that whatever
reality there is that is possible for a human body to experience, that
reality is 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Psychological Rape

[Ravi Chivukula]

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/342270

Stop being an attention whore.


On Apr 26, 2013, at 3:39 PM, "seventhray27"  wrote:

> Wowzer.  According to the Ravi meter, Xeno nailed it.  It is a most reliable 
> guide.  The more apoplectic Ravi becomes,the more you can be sure someone has 
> hit the mark.  
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
> >
> > OMG - what a fucking idiot you are Xeno.
> > 
> > So much analysis, concepts yet ultimately just garbage, totally obscuring 
> > the facts, obscuring reality, deceiving yourself. You are the epitome of 
> > how one can use logic, analysis yet be far far away from truth.
> > 
> > Totally blind to your hypocrisy and bullshit - the fact that it's all 
> > platitudes when you confronted with conflict and dishonest behavior yet 
> > strong words for Robin, Judy - what gives Guru Xeno?
> > 
> > Why is not Robin explained away using the generic concepts of ego, 
> > delusion, pure consciousness, CC, UC, GC instead of the malicious 
> > falsehoods you spread - invasive, deceptive, trashing, insincere - what 
> > gives Guru Xeno?
> > 
> > Why is this not your ego, delusion, your assholiness any more?
> > 
> > You remind of a retard named tartbrain who used to post here, he was all 
> > love-bliss when faced with conflict, dishonesty, deception. May be you are 
> > the retarded tartbrain?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Apr 26, 2013, at 11:00 AM, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" anartaxius@... 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > Psychological rape is a term that does not seem to have much of a fixed 
> > > professional definition in psychology. It sometimes is applied to parents 
> > > who drug their children to keep them under control. On a common sense 
> > > level, the term would seem to imply a kind of invasiveness into one's 
> > > private space. That private space is the ego, our sense of individuality 
> > > and self. There are other private spaces, such as the experience that 
> > > some call transcendental consciousness, which at a certain point in 
> > > practice, seems deep inside. But this space (TC) has no characteristics 
> > > other than the sense of wakefulness, so it really does not do anything, 
> > > or provide one with an individual identity; it has no identity other than 
> > > bare existence, it is neither private or public, though the experience 
> > > seems to be restricted to the individual body, which we gather from the 
> > > experience of coming out of a deep meditation, that that experience 
> > > occurred somehow in what we are. 
> > > 
> > > Share used this term 'psychological rape' in reference to Robin. I take 
> > > this to mean invasion of that personal space we call the ego, our sense 
> > > of self as an individual person, or at a minimum, the sense that our 
> > > human body is a locus or point of focus for experience. The ego is a big 
> > > problem in spirituality because it is seen as an obstacle to universal 
> > > experience, it is the process that makes us seem as if we are special in 
> > > some way. It divides us from everything else. So one way to attempt to 
> > > get rid of the ego, so we can experience unity (non-division with the 
> > > world about us) is to try to manipulate it or attack it. 
> > > 
> > > But this is the point of maximum resistance. The ego is that in us which 
> > > wants us as individuals to survive and never die. Subjugating the ego has 
> > > to be an inside job. It has to be eaten away from inside. This is why 
> > > meditative techniques may be important because they give our experience a 
> > > wider dimension than just the ego, they put the ego in a larger space. 
> > > Because we are not really our ego (so the spiritual talk goes), 
> > > eventually, if we are lucky, we begin to see that this thing we call our 
> > > ego, our 'me' is not such a hot thing. The ego cannot really be taken 
> > > down much until a substantial experience of unity dawns because unity 
> > > provides a big enough space around ego to manoeuvre it into lesser 
> > > importance. CC, experiencing yourself as pure consciousness inside, as 
> > > silence inside while in activity is too small a puddle of spiritual value 
> > > to kick ego off its perch. We can be ass holes in waking awareness, ass 
> > > holes in CC, and even ass holes in unity. The ego is the most subtle 
> > > beast in the field, and given its chance, it can take these spiritual 
> > > benchmark experiences and subvert their potential to its own 
> > > machinations. Then you become a spiritual ass hole. Your AssHoliness if 
> > > you will. I will venture to say no one ever escapes becoming a spiritual 
> > > ass hole at some point in their journey.
> > > 
> > > Robin's technique was to saddle up to you kind of friendly like, and then 
> > > attempt to get you to see reality by taking down the ego, by attacking 
> > > it. And it resists. It does anything to survive. Robin's method, as 
> > > applied in the past, and seemingly also recentl

[FairfieldLife] To Curtis - were you trying to PR me?

[emilymae.reyn]

Hi Curtis:  Hey, I was just responding to Xeno on his psychological rape
post and this spontaneously came off my fingertips:
"nor did I [feel psychologically raped] recently, when Curtis referred
me to the gang rape lyrics of a song he posted.  I probably should have
then, come to think about it, but I just figured I had crossed his
boundary again, unknowingly, like I did the first time.  I was teasing
him; he got angry"
God bless it, were you trying to publicly PR me?  Did I not pick up on
that?  I'm kind of slow on the uptake sometimes, it's true.  You never
did explain to me why you referred me to the lyrics you did.  If you
were, than I say "Fuck you, man, fuck you."  If you weren't than maybe
you could explain it to me.  Am I right in my assumption above?
I know you ain't a country guy, in terms of music, but here's a song
from George Jones - RIP, that may bring you back to a performance period
that would be best left forever.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Onfce-UNmmE

Re: [FairfieldLife] Psychological Rape

[Emily Reyn]

Share:

Re:

"But I remember how I felt, especially at that point in time when ego had been 
invaded uninvited and pulverized for a few weeks and not only by Robin."

Who else?  Or, was it just your general shock at being exposed to FFL?  
Pulverized is defined as "utterly defeated."  I am so sorry for your loss for 
those few weeks.  Your ego, if you don't mind my saying, is up and running very 
well, IMO.  

Curiously, is TM a technique that professes to address the ego? How? Are there 
stated goals related to one's ego and the purpose of TM?  Yes, I ask because I 
don't know.  



>
> From: Share Long 
>To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
>Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 2:21 PM
>Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Psychological Rape
> 
>
>
>  
>Xeno, I've been out of town today.  Shopping for my foray into the big city.  
>Thank you for this even though I know you did not write it for me or for my 
>big, fat, stupid ego.  Hope you won't gag when I say how healing this is for 
>me to read.  Oy, more ego!  What you did here, the time and attention you put 
>into it, really feels like a labor of love, love for what is.  I didn't even 
>freak out too much when I read that I did say psychologically raped instead of 
>rape.  But I remember how I felt, especially at that point in time when ego 
>had been invaded uninvited and pulverized for a few weeks and not only by 
>Robin.  Extremely upset and still reeling from events I'd never experienced 
>before.  So out popped a phrase that I had not used before nor that was so 
>familiar too me.  But felt spot on nonetheless.  
>
>
>
>I'm so grateful that I'm gonna shut up now (-:
>
>
>
> From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 1:00 PM
>Subject: [FairfieldLife] Psychological Rape
> 
>
>
>  
>Psychological rape is a term that does not seem to have much of a fixed 
>professional definition in psychology. It sometimes is applied to parents who 
>drug their children to keep them under control. On a common sense level, the 
>term would seem to imply a kind of invasiveness into one's private space. That 
>private space is the ego, our sense of individuality and self. There are other 
>private spaces, such as the experience that some call transcendental 
>consciousness, which at a certain point in practice, seems deep inside. But 
>this space (TC) has no characteristics other than the sense of wakefulness, so 
>it really does not do anything, or provide one with an individual identity; it 
>has no identity other than bare existence, it is neither private or public, 
>though the experience seems to be restricted to the individual body, which we 
>gather from the experience of coming out of a deep meditation, that that 
>experience occurred somehow in what we are. 
>
>Share used this term 'psychological rape' in reference to Robin. I take this 
>to mean invasion of that personal space we call the ego, our sense of self as 
>an individual person, or at a minimum, the sense that our human body is a 
>locus or point of focus for experience. The ego is a big problem in 
>spirituality because it is seen as an obstacle to universal experience, it is 
>the process that makes us seem as if we are special in some way. It divides us 
>from everything else. So one way to attempt to get rid of the ego, so we can 
>experience unity (non-division with the world about us) is to try to 
>manipulate it or attack it. 
>
>But this is the point of maximum resistance. The ego is that in us which wants 
>us as individuals to survive and never die. Subjugating the ego has to be an 
>inside job. It has to be eaten away from inside. This is why meditative 
>techniques may be important because they give our experience a wider dimension 
>than just the ego, they put the ego in a larger space. Because we are not 
>really our ego (so the spiritual talk goes), eventually, if we are lucky, we 
>begin to see that this thing we call our ego, our 'me' is not such a hot 
>thing. The ego cannot really be taken down much until a substantial experience 
>of unity dawns because unity provides a big enough space around ego to 
>manoeuvre it into lesser importance. CC, experiencing yourself as pure 
>consciousness inside, as silence inside while in activity is too small a 
>puddle of spiritual value to kick ego off its perch. We can be ass holes in 
>waking awareness, ass holes in CC, and even ass holes in unity. The
 ego is the most subtle beast in the field, and given its chance, it can take 
these spiritual benchmark experiences and subvert their potential to its own 
machinations. Then you become a spiritual ass hole. Your AssHoliness if you 
will. I will venture to say no one ever escapes becoming a spiritual ass hole 
at some point in their journey.
>
>Robin's technique was to saddle up to you kind of friendly like, and then 
>attempt to get you to see reality by taking down the ego, by attacking i

[FairfieldLife] Sam Harris - Athiesm and Martial Arts

[Yifu]

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/04/what-martial-arts-have-to-do-with-atheism/275273/

[FairfieldLife] Re: to azgrey was what a Sunday on FFL

[seventhray27]

Ravi, doggonnit, you are not as dumb as I thought.  Since you always,
pretty much post the same thing, it makes sense to cut and paste as you
have been doing.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
>
> Please don't humiliate yourself with your frivolous, careless,
reactive
> posts - day in and day out. How shameless, clueless, brainless can you
be -
> is there a bottom that you can hit or is this a bottomless pit you are
in?
>
> Take another shot at it, take your time, there's no hurry, I will give
my
> complete attention to it, I promise.
>
> Come up with something that has a morsel of dignity and intelligence -
> anything - some creative insult, insight, irony. Please I beg you -
give me
> something Steve baby.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 8:58 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@...wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > Ravi, you're in a league of your own with the reactive, frivolous,
stupid
> > posts. But I liked the lawyer bit. I wish you'd stay on that theme a
> > little more.
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
> > >
> > > Please don't humiliate yourself with your frivolous, careless,
reactive
> > > posts - day in and day out. How shameless, clueless, brainless can
you
> > be -
> > > is there a bottom that you can hit or is this a bottomless pit you
are
> > in?
> > >
> > > Take another shot at it, take your time, there's no hurry, I will
give my
> > > complete attention to it, I promise.
> > >
> > > Come up with something that has a morsel of dignity and
intelligence -
> > > anything - some creative insult, insight, irony. Please I beg you
- give
> > me
> > > something Steve baby.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 8:25 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@...:
> > >
> > > > **
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You are vomiting Ravi. You might want to try the toilet. They
should
> > have
> > > > a nice one where you work. Or at least tomorrow, if it should
come up
> > > > again.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry dear Share we all got distracted by your stalking err
searching
> > > > for Sal.
> > > > >
> > > > > Considering your disability I have made this real easy for
you.
> > Please
> > > > feel free to take the help of the idiots Feste and Steve.
> > > > >
> > > > > Your post referring to my grandmother below has the
characteristics
> > of
> > > > which of the following
> > > > >
> > > > > a) Phony
> > > > > b) Passive-aggressive
> > > > > c) Platitude puking
> > > > > d) Pitta-putrefied
> > > > > e) Paranoid
> > > > > d) My heart says (a) but it's probably (b)
> > > > > g) My intuition says (b) but it's probably (d)
> > > > > h) My gut says (e) but it's probably (a)
> > > > > i) Feste may say sweet but it's (a)
> > > > > j) Steve may say Kali but it's (b)
> > > > > h) Any of the above
> > > > > k) All of the above
> > > > >
> > > > > Remember there's no right or wrong answer and there's good and
bad in
> > > > you and imagine this process to be a kind of a spring cleaning
for your
> > > > chakras which even the likes of John Newton may approve.
> > > > >
> > > > > Love,
> > > > > Ravi
> > > > >
> > > > > On Apr 25, 2013, at 4:54 AM, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > dear Ravi, even before I read this tale of grandsons
illustrious
> > and
> > > > otherwise, I was remembering that sweet sweet photo of you with
your
> > > > Grandmother. See how in tune we are?! Anyway, IMHO what's in
that
> > photo is
> > > > what's really important in life.
> > > > > > love,
> > > > > > Share
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@
> > > >
> > > > > > To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 2:59 AM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to azgrey was what a Sunday
on FFL
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dear Share,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A sincere apology entails honesty, accountability and
integrity and
> > > > you show none of these qualities - all we see is this bait and
switch
> > of an
> > > > impending apology while you continue along your phony,
> > passive-aggressive,
> > > > platitude-filled posts.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You continue this week after week, this bait and switch
strategy
> > and I
> > > > can clearly see this.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Year 2043 - you are in ICU, you can't talk but due to the
advances
> > > > made after the hugely popular book of Dr. Curtis M - "NDE's -
the
> > > > perspective of the Epistemological Purity of Neuroscience" - my
> > grandson
> > > > who is your attending neurosurgeon, and the only Neurosurgeon to
be
> > > > enlightened, analyzes your brain scans which Steve's grandson
converts
> > as
> > > > posts to FFL.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You are already wildly popular as the leading subject of Dr.
Curtis
> > > > M's book, the only person in history who slips into NDE every
week.
> > Robin's
> > > > not alive but his brain scans sho

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to azgrey was what a Sunday on FFL

[Share Long]

Gaia bits pressed to skin, add
in tears, laughter, wide eyed wonder.
Tulips may sprout between your toes (-:





 From: azgrey 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 4:24 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to azgrey was what a Sunday on FFL
 


  
dirty fingernails
of future perch owls converse 
moist seedlings nourished in desert soil
arbor day complete

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> In Nebraska there is a holiday for planting trees
> for owls to perch in, watching the begonias grow, then
> drop their petals onto the green and silent grass
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: azgrey 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 3:21 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to azgrey was what a Sunday on FFL
> 
> 
> 
>   
> the hurler of curses and insults
> spinning truth as though it is a dreidel
> fails again and again
> 
> succeeds only in revealing 
> inner darkness
> poisoned words from disturbed mind
> 
> earth day echoes in native nebraskan's consciousness
> arbor day planting day after next
> desert willow- chilopsis linearis
> while mindful of grateful dead scarlet begonias earworm
> "and i knew without asking she was into the blues" 
> 
> soft smile dreams of lush lawns as owls converse
> "too pat to open and too cool to bluff"
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > Earth Day is ending, the lawn
> > of my lady-parts is still not green.
> > Has J's curse gone astray, dear grey?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: azgrey 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 6:14 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: what a Sunday on FFL
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > Dear Share, 
> > 
> > Google has a full translation function. I'm not sure that
> > the Jerseyese section contains all of the dialects as what
> > I came up with is she either wants to preform sanyama
> > on your lawn or is expressing an unnatural interest in the 
> > operation of your lady-parts. 
> > 
> > Alex might be able to help as he seen to be a native speaker. 
> > He might have to first get a refill on his ointment. 
> > 
> > Hugs, 
> > 
> > azgrey 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Share, are you familiar with the expression "Blow it
> > > out your ass"?
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Judy, your biases are noted.  As is your continuing self
> > > > delusion about the presence of those biases and your ongoing 
> > > > inability to see more complete truth much less express it.
> > > (snip)
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > > > (snip)
> > > > > from Judy, best expression of her *hypochondria:  I'm allergic
> > > > > to dishonesty.
> > > > (snip)
> > > > > *hypochondria n. The persistent conviction that one is or is
> > > > > likely to become ill, often involving symptoms when illness
> > > > > is neither present nor likely,
> > > > 
> > > > Says the person who has to her discredit an *astounding*
> > > > number of examples of the most flagrant dishonesty--most
> > > > recently her combined smear of raunchy and Robin today--
> > > > including rewriting history as documented by *her own 
> > > > posts*, and who has been unable either to explain away
> > > > the dishonesty or acknowledge it.
> > > > 
> > > > (And by the way, the symptoms of allergy *are* the illness.)
> > > >
> > >
> >
>


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Scorpions No More!

[obbajeeba]

Because they have been genetically modified into corn. Sit in the fields 
waiting to wither, as the squirrels stay away from the treat. The surveillance 
sets stage to watch the action becoming nothing but data based. Tea time high, 
celebrated in the local pub with the favorite tune sang as the bladders are 
filled with cancerous waste, chemo, surgery in place. The Muslims are mum and 
so are the grace of the Queen's race.  High times on the brink, when Scorpions 
score with 2 ears of corn and a drink. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
>
> 
> UK Peace Index highlights rate of fall in violent crime
> 
> Rates of murder and violent crime have fallen more rapidly in the UK in
> the past decade than many other countries in Western Europe, researchers
> say.
> 
> The UK Peace Index
>  ex-2013-IEP-Report.pdf> , from the Institute for Economics and Peace,
> found UK homicides per 100,000 people had fallen from 1.99 in 2003, to
> one in 2012.
> 
> The UK was more peaceful overall, it said, with the reasons for it
> varied.
> 
> The index found Broadland, Norfolk, to be the most peaceful local
> council area but Lewisham, London, to be the least.
> 
> The research by the international non-profit research organisation comes
> as a separate study by Cardiff University suggests the number of people
> treated in hospital in England and Wales after violent incidents fell by
> 14% in 2012  .
> 
> Some 267,291 people required care - 40,706 fewer than in 2011 -
> according to a sample of 54 hospital units, its report said.
> 
> BBC home editor Mark Easton called it the "riddle of peacefulness" and
> said the fall in violence was "perhaps a symptom of a new morality".
> 
> 
> "We are less tolerant of violence in all forms," our correspondent
> added.
> 
> For its inaugural index, the Institute for Economics and Peace (IEP),
> which defined peace as "the absence of violence or fear of violence",
> used Home Office data on crime, such as public disorder offences and
> weapons crime, and police officer numbers.
> 
> It found the violent crime rate was down by about one quarter - from
> 1,255 per 100,000 people in 2003, to 933 in 2012. This was a more rapid
> fall than the average decrease across western Europe for that period -
> although not more rapid than all other European countries, as was stated
> in earlier reports on the BBC News website.
> 
> These reductions came despite a 6% drop in the number of police officers
> per 100,000 people, it said.
> 
> "I do wonder whether the analysis is focusing on traditional social and
> criminal justice theories when the answer to the quite remarkable drop
> in violence may lie somewhere else entirely. Could it be that global
> communication is having a calming effect on people's behaviour?" -
> Mark Easton, Home Editor.
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22275280
> 
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to azgrey was what a Sunday on FFL

[Ravi Chivukula]

Yes, you got it right Steve baby this is how I sometimes choose to respond to 
attention sluts (thanks Barry baby) who have nothing intelligent, honest, 
creative to say.

Have something intelligent to say - I'm all ears baby.

Did you read the post by Emily - beautiful isn't it?

No Share Long-ish pathetic, phony, passive-aggressive, pitta-deranged, 
paranoid, platitude puking there.


On Apr 26, 2013, at 4:37 PM, "seventhray27"  wrote:

> Ravi, doggonnit, you are not as dumb as I thought.  Since you always, pretty 
> much post the same thing, it makes sense to cut and paste as you have been 
> doing.
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
> >
> > Please don't humiliate yourself with your frivolous, careless, reactive
> > posts - day in and day out. How shameless, clueless, brainless can you be -
> > is there a bottom that you can hit or is this a bottomless pit you are in?
> > 
> > Take another shot at it, take your time, there's no hurry, I will give my
> > complete attention to it, I promise.
> > 
> > Come up with something that has a morsel of dignity and intelligence -
> > anything - some creative insult, insight, irony. Please I beg you - give me
> > something Steve baby.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 8:58 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@...wrote:
> > 
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > Ravi, you're in a league of your own with the reactive, frivolous, stupid
> > > posts. But I liked the lawyer bit. I wish you'd stay on that theme a
> > > little more.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Please don't humiliate yourself with your frivolous, careless, reactive
> > > > posts - day in and day out. How shameless, clueless, brainless can you
> > > be -
> > > > is there a bottom that you can hit or is this a bottomless pit you are
> > > in?
> > > >
> > > > Take another shot at it, take your time, there's no hurry, I will give 
> > > > my
> > > > complete attention to it, I promise.
> > > >
> > > > Come up with something that has a morsel of dignity and intelligence -
> > > > anything - some creative insult, insight, irony. Please I beg you - give
> > > me
> > > > something Steve baby.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 8:25 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@...:
> > > >
> > > > > **
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > You are vomiting Ravi. You might want to try the toilet. They should
> > > have
> > > > > a nice one where you work. Or at least tomorrow, if it should come up
> > > > > again.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sorry dear Share we all got distracted by your stalking err 
> > > > > > searching
> > > > > for Sal.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Considering your disability I have made this real easy for you.
> > > Please
> > > > > feel free to take the help of the idiots Feste and Steve.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Your post referring to my grandmother below has the characteristics
> > > of
> > > > > which of the following
> > > > > >
> > > > > > a) Phony
> > > > > > b) Passive-aggressive
> > > > > > c) Platitude puking
> > > > > > d) Pitta-putrefied
> > > > > > e) Paranoid
> > > > > > d) My heart says (a) but it's probably (b)
> > > > > > g) My intuition says (b) but it's probably (d)
> > > > > > h) My gut says (e) but it's probably (a)
> > > > > > i) Feste may say sweet but it's (a)
> > > > > > j) Steve may say Kali but it's (b)
> > > > > > h) Any of the above
> > > > > > k) All of the above
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Remember there's no right or wrong answer and there's good and bad 
> > > > > > in
> > > > > you and imagine this process to be a kind of a spring cleaning for 
> > > > > your
> > > > > chakras which even the likes of John Newton may approve.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Love,
> > > > > > Ravi
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Apr 25, 2013, at 4:54 AM, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > dear Ravi, even before I read this tale of grandsons illustrious
> > > and
> > > > > otherwise, I was remembering that sweet sweet photo of you with your
> > > > > Grandmother. See how in tune we are?! Anyway, IMHO what's in that
> > > photo is
> > > > > what's really important in life.
> > > > > > > love,
> > > > > > > Share
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@
> > > > >
> > > > > > > To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 2:59 AM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to azgrey was what a Sunday on 
> > > > > > > FFL
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dear Share,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > A sincere apology entails honesty, accountability and integrity 
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > you show none of these qualities - all we see is this bait and switch
> > > of an
> > > > > impending apology while you continue along your phony,
> > > passive-aggressive,
> > > > > platitude-filled posts.
> > > > > > >
> > > 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Psychological Rape

[Ravi Chivukula]

Yaay Emily !!!

On Apr 26, 2013, at 4:27 PM, "Ann"  wrote:

> What happened? I am either having an NDE or actually died and went to a 
> heaven where logic and cool heads prevail. Emily, oh Emily, is that you? How 
> did you get so smart, so insightful, so clear? Is there a magic potion for 
> that or do you just have to be brave and strong like you are?
> 
> Seriously, this has to be the post of the year. I am humbled by it; anything 
> I wrote on this subject is so elementary/pathetic by comparison. Thank you 
> for this Emily. Not only did you bring out so much that seems like truth but 
> you did it without malice or ill intent.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emilymae.reyn"  
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Xeno. I also was looking up the definition of "psychological rape." 
> > I found similar information to what you mention, but also a number of
> > references to "emotional rape," which it seems is what Share has
> > implied. I've included this definition in comments below.
> > It was helpful for Share to "unpack" the term to define for herself/us
> > how she was thinking of it in terms of behaviors - as it is a loaded
> > term for sure. "Attributing thoughts and feelings" is nowhere near what
> > the term means, however, and is done all the time here in the back and
> > forth of feedback to one another. I've watched it happen to everyone
> > and experienced myself and been guilty of it - I don't consider doing
> > this a bad thing - we, as adults can all respond to clarify our position
> > and intent, as did Dr. Dumbass yesterday about his comments posted to
> > the the Sal Sunshine thread.
> > The post of Share's you include below is an example of how she feels
> > Robin "attributed thoughts and feeling to her" and is a perfect example
> > of my point. She was clearly offended, but so it goes here on FFL. She
> > also was new to FFL and didn't understand how many conversations go here
> > and how they are conducted and what the spirit of the forum is. 
> > Remember she did nothing but encourage us all to heal with the hopopopo
> > prayer - I think FFL shocked the organic beans she was soaking right out
> > of their bowl.
> > Sometimes it leads to introspection - opportunities to examine one's own
> > motives and thought process and communication and to think more deeply
> > about one's own reactions. I use FFL in this way quite a bit,
> > personally. It has helped me get honest with myself, which, IMO, is
> > required for any real growth of any kind to occur. I have received all
> > kinds of feedback that I don't appreciate, I assure you, but I always
> > take a look at it and sometimes chew on it for awhile to determine its
> > validity. I think it is difficult for us to see ourselves as we come
> > across sometimes. And, how boring and pointless and useless would it be
> > to assume that one's own perspective is always right, especially about
> > oneself, and can't or shouldn't be touched by others'.
> > Share also has stated that she felt that the term she used was "spot on"
> > after she communicated with the Howells and with Lord Knows (if I read
> > correctly) and it felt very real to her.  Who can question that? She
> > felt what she felt - invaded as you say below. However we all know that
> > feelings aren't always facts and they can change radically depending on
> > many factors, including for example, how much sugar one might ingest in
> > a day. Or, an idea that someone else's experience resonates with them. 
> > It seems like she latched onto the term solidly as her experience after
> > she had garnered support from others.' Feelings are important for sure,
> > but they don't always give an accurate reflection of the truth of any
> > situation. But, again, if one goes back to how she defined it, it isn't
> > what she thought it was.
> > What I keep coming back to is the idea that once one unpacks a judgement
> > or accusation and realizes the reality of it is different than what one
> > thought, why wouldn't one retract the statement? None of us are perfect
> > - seems like a major ego issue to me - to be so attached to one's own
> > perception, that in the face of realizing it isn't what it seems, she
> > still can't bring oneself to acknowledge publicly that she may have been
> > mistaken in how she was thinking of this term.
> > What could happen if Share did this?. To clarify, to take
> > responsibility for one's own emotional self, to clean up one's own side
> > of the street, to promote understanding, etc. is required for all of us
> > interested in personal growth. Given Share's penchant for healers and
> > meditation and counseling and having dedicated much of her adult life in
> > various "spiritual" pursuits, it amazes me that something like a
> > retraction, in that her own definition of psychological rape is not what
> > it is, would be so difficult for her. It is a very victim based
> > accusation, so perhaps she's attached to her victim stance with Robin.
> > How would s

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Psychological Rape

[authfriend]

Emily, this is a brilliantly insightful and comprehensive
post.

I have a couple of comments. (I'm snipping everything
that doesn't relate to them; I agree with everything
you said. I had written a post to Xeno myself, which
covers a few of the same points and makes a couple of
others, and I'll put that up shortly.)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emilymae.reyn"  wrote:
(snip>
> The post of Share's you include below is an example of how
> she feels Robin "attributed thoughts and feeling to her"
> and is a perfect example of my point.  She was clearly
> offended, but so it goes here on FFL.  She also was new to
> FFL and didn't understand how many conversations go here
> and how they are conducted and what the spirit of the forum is.

Two points: First, *at the time*, Share was, at most, only 
mildly annoyed, according to her own report.

Second, she joined FFL the same time Robin did, in June 2011.
This incident occurred in September 2012, so she was by no
means new to the group; she'd been here well over a year.
Further, the post that annoyed her was the most recent in a
*long* series of friendly and warm exchanges she had had with
Robin.

> Share also has stated that she felt that the term she used
> was "spot on" after she communicated with the Howells and
> with Lord Knows (if I read correctly) and it felt very real
> to her.

As I understand her, she claims these people didn't get in
touch with her until *after* the "psychological rape"
charge--i.e., to applaud her.

However, as I've pointed out, there are others on FFL who
do not wish Robin well who may have counseled her privately
*before* she made the accusation.

(snip)
> EM:  Are you saying the article defines "psychological rape" with 
> "trashing?"  (I didn't read this article or find it in the first few
> items that came up on my search.)

Yes, it does. Here's the full text:

http://www.jofreeman.com/joreen/trashing.htm

As you'll see when you read it, what it describes could
hardly be much farther from what went on with Share. For
Xeno to use it in this context was a big mistake.

In fact, the "trashing" it talks about is much more like
what *Robin* has had to endure on FFL (including in Xeno's
most recent post).

As I've been digging around in the archives looking for
dates and quotes relevant to this discussion, I've come
across some positively appalling attacks on Robin from
the usual suspects--vicious, malicious, false, and
totally undeserved. It almost began to seem as though
the "demons" Robin believed he had expelled from members
of his group in his WTS days had returned to take revenge
on him in the guise of certain FFL members, the attacks
were that malign. And Share's were among the worst.

(snip)
> I think Share was offended, and in a big way.  I think she 
> responded to feeling offended (i.e. experiencing feeling
> where the boundary of her ego was) by launching an attack on 
> Robin.  Her emotions escalated as she dug her heels in; her 
> feelings of being "wronged" increased as her self-rightousness 
> mounted.  It took on a life of its own - she became so
> attached to the high off of her emotions, carried along by her
> conversations with the Howell's and Lord Knows, that she 
> appropriated her perception of the experiences had by those 
> character's in the book, the Cult.  She lost touch with
> reality in the high she was experiencing.

This is a terrific analysis, but there's one aspect it
doesn't cover that I think is important.

Share's first response to the comment Robin made that
purportedly so offended her indicated nothing more than mild annoyance, brought 
on by "grumpiness" that she attributed to
eating too much sugar:

> "Yes I will excuse your presumption if you excuse my not going
> down this particular rabbit hole againSo no problemo. Sigh,
> btw, I notice I'm feeling grumpy this morning. Blaming it on
> the sugar I ate yesterday. Somehow I've become very sensitive
> to sugar. Anyway, Robin, apologies for taking it out on you."

Three days later, referring to her reaction to the same
comment from Robin:

> "As for what my feelings were, I didn't suffer or feel
> insulted. Nor did I think you were being hurtful or cruel.
> I simply did not want to pursue the theme of whether or not
> I was being the real me. Nor the theme of my alleged hyper
> positivity."

Four weeks later--referring to her reaction to the very
same comment from Robin:

> Just for the record, this is exactly why I got so upset
> initially with Robin about the Russian flash mob post.
> Being psychologically raped didn't feel good then just
> as it doesn't feel good now.

So it's not just that her anger had built over the four
weeks. She is rewriting history in this last post. She
experienced his comment as "psychological rape" *at the
time*, she claims, and was "so upset" by it *at the
time*, before any of the rest of what she's complaining
about had even happened.

But this is *not* what she said *at the time*. Look at
the first tw

Re: [FairfieldLife] The American Heart Association Recommends TM for Hypertension

[Bhairitu]

Some do.  Mantras to Lakshmi are supposed to increase wealth.  They have 
to do a lot repetitions though.  In astrology remedials for the second 
house lord are supposed to help.

On 04/26/2013 03:34 PM, Michael Jackson wrote:
> I am asking this in all seriousness, if mantras like this are effective, why 
> doesn't everyone in India use whatever mantras would create financial 
> prosperity and then everyone would have plenty of money?
>
>
>
>
> 
>   From: Bhairitu 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 3:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The American Heart Association Recommends TM for 
> Hypertension
>   
>
> On 04/26/2013 03:49 AM, Dick Mays wrote:
>> The American Heart Association Recommends TM for Hypertension
>> (Published online April 22, 2013)
>>
>>
>> Beyond Medications and Diet: Alternative Approaches to Lowering Blood 
>> Pressure
>> A Scientific Statement from the American Heart Association
>>
>> An estimated 29% of American adults suffer from hypertension and it is 
>> projected to affect >1.5 billion people by 2025. It accounts for 13.5% of 
>> all deaths and half of all strokes and ischemic heart disease. The global 
>> hypertension-related public health burden is enormous.
>>
>> The American Heart Association just published a scientific statement on 
>> alternative approaches to reducing blood pressure, which included a critical 
>> evaluation of research on meditation techniques, including the 
>> Transcendental Meditation technique (TM). Here is what the AHA's statement 
>> said about the TM technique and other meditation practices:
>> “TM may be considered in clinical practice to lower BP.
>> Because of many negative studies or mixed results and a paucity of available 
>> trials, all other meditation techniques (including MBSR [Mindfulness-Based 
>> Stress Reduction]) received a Class III, no benefit, Level of Evidence C 
>> recommendation .
>> Thus, other meditation techniques are not recommended in clinical practice 
>> to lower BP at this time.”
>> Here is a link to the full report:
>> http://hyper.ahajournals.org/content/early/2013/04/22/HYP.0b013e318293645f.full.pdf+html?sid=0aea85a1-f240-4b68-8174-07ecc3e2cfec
>>
>>
>> The following is a take on the AHA's statement by Dr. Robert Schneider, 
>> M.D., leading researcher on the effects of TM on hypertension:
>>
>> While the AHA statement is conservative, they and other official medical 
>> councils generally are, especially with vanguard therapies. However, the 
>> fact that the AHA statement concluded that only Transcendental Meditation is 
>> effective in lowering BP and that other meditation and relaxation techniques 
>> are neither effective nor recommended is major. In addition, the AHA 
>> statement reports that long-term T M practice leads to lower heart disease 
>> clinical events. This was also not found for any other behavioral 
>> intervention.
>>
>> Finally, it is noteworthy that this is the first time in 50 years of 
>> teaching and researching Transcendental Meditation that it has been 
>> recognized and recommended by a national medical organization that provides 
>> professional practice guidelines to physicians, health care payers and 
>> policy makers. This type of guideline statement has been what insurance 
>> companies have been requesting from us for many years.
>>
>> For these reasons, this week's Scientific Statement from the American Heart 
>> Association may be considered historic.
>>
> I'll say it again, lots of meditation programs can reduce blood
> pressure.  It's just that TM teachers wear suits.  The AHA doesn't want
> to send people to teachers wearing pajamas i.e. kurtajamis which many
> Indians wear which are cool in hot weather and American teachers in some
> paths adopt.  And then maybe Girish cut loose some big bucks as a
> donation to the AHA.
>
> Most meditation programs and gurus aren't concerned about impressing
> western institutions.  They have their practices which have worked for
> centuries.  The idea that just using a beej akshara is somehow superior
> to a traditional mantra would be considered laughable. Example of how
> beej aksharas are used in making a planetary mantra for Ketu more powerful:
>
> Om shram shreem shroum sah ketave namah
>
> Base mantra would be: Om ketave namah
>
> Mantras are formulas which are often enhanced by adding additional beej
> aksharas.  The technique of enhancing mantras is called samput.
>
>
>
> 
>
> To subscribe, send a message to:
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> Or go to:
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 27-Apr-13 00:15:03 UTC

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount  wrote:
>
> Fairfield Life Post Counter
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> 50 authfriend 
> 49 doctordumbass
> 49 Share Long 
> 49 Michael Jackson 

Shree Krishna
Govinda 
Hare Muraare
He Naatha Naaraayana 
Vaasudeva 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Psychological Rape

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:

> Robin's method, as applied in the past, and seemingly
> also recently, though he has claimed he is changed, is 
> basically to trash the ego, the individual.

Not only was this not Robin's "method" in the past, it
would be totally contrary to what he believes in now.  
"Trashing the ego" is an Eastern concept that he has
utterly rejected. Even back then, his focus was on
"the Personal." (And as Ann has pointed out, the
"confrontations" were always two-way.)

> I find this strange because of his emphasis on personal 
> ontology. If the ego goes, so does personal ontology.

Exactly. It's only natural that you'd find it "strange,"
because it simply isn't the case. You got that badly
wrong, Xeno.

> The following quotation (so I read) was published in Ms. 
> magazine some years ago. It describes psychological rape 
> in the manner that a number of us here feel is Robin's 
> modus operandi:
> 
> 'Trashing is a particularly vicious form of character
> assassination which amounts to psychological rape. It
> is manipulative, dishonest, and excessive. It is 
> occasionally disguised by the rhetoric of honest 
> conflict, or covered up by denying that any disapproval
> exists at all. But it is not meant to resolve 
> differences. It is done to disparage and destroy'

This is insupportable and unconscionable, Xeno. It's
inexcusable for you to suggest that it describes anything
Robin ever did to Share.

Let's look at what Robin actually said to Share that
Xeno implies was "a particularly vicious form of
character assassination":

"You must excuse my presumption here (because it is very 
likely I am wrong) but I must tell you that in this post
I get to feel the most Share that is there severed (perhaps
not consciously:)) from her philosophy. It just *seemed* to
me that all you wrote here came out of your experience
unmediated by any final beliefs about what is real. Like a
beautiful accident of Share making herself available beyond
what would be possible were she solidly, as she almost 
always is, behind her spiritual orientation to people and 
reality (which, in the weaponry and ordnance deployed by 
some of us more irascible FFL posters, is sometimes--
silently, mind you--denigrated as being overly positive--
and therefore impotent:))."

Yeah, wow, that's really vicious, isn't it?

Gag me with a spoon.

And when Share expressed some "grumpiness" at it,
Robin immediately took it back. He had meant it as
a compliment, and Share had misunderstood.

What is the reason for Xeno's ferocious and utterly 
unreasonable hostility toward Robin in this post?

One's ego can be bruised without anyone specifically
going after it with the intention of trashing it. It
can happen as the result of an entirely friendly
exchange in which one perceives that the other party's 
insights are superior to one's own. Or even just
observing what someone has said about something and 
recognizing that it's a better analysis than one is
capable of oneself. I think we've all had this
experience; I certainly have.

But some have such extremely delicate egos that even
this sort of ego-bruising triggers them to lash out
at the person whose insights and analysis trump their
own, especially if they have always thought of
themselves as insightful and are used to having
others admire their thinking.

(snip)
> Now Share felt Robin was invasive and she used the
> term 'psychological rape' as how she felt Robin was 
> interacting with her. She had not given her consent
> for Robin to ply his trade.

Robin was not "plying a trade." He has no trade. He
was having what until that point had been a mutually
very friendly, warm, extended conversation with Share.

> There are those here, Judy specifically, who feels
> Robin has changed.

You meant to write, "Ann specifically." I wasn't there
30 years ago. I go by what Ann has said, because she
knew him well back then. I trust what she says because
she has shown herself to be one of the most level-headed,
honest, objective, reality-oriented posters on FFL.

> She takes what he says more literally than do I, or
> than quite a few here on FFL do.

Let's have an example of this, Xeno. Perhaps you've never 
read any of my posts explaining Robin's use of abstraction 
and figures of speech to people who *did* take him 
literally.

> I do not feel Robin's statements to this effect are 
> sincere. I think they are a ploy, so he can approach
> and apply his deadly embrace.

This is simply crazy, Xeno. It's big-time paranoid. "Deadly
embrace"??

> 
> POST 321664: Share's Original Post where the term 'psychological rape' was 
> mentioned in the form of 'psychologically raped'
> 
> 
> Thank you so much Curtis and Xeno and Steve and Bhairitu 
who was lighter the second time around.  And JR too.  Sometimes when these 
pilings on happen, I get flummoxed and it helps a lot to hear from suppo

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Psychological Rape

[Ravi Chivukula]

"God, the hypocrisy and malice are monumental."

Thank you - my feelings exactly. What causes our platitude puking wannabe Guru 
Xeno so much discomfort or why do his pseudo-Eastern concepts of ego, delusion, 
pure consciousness break down here?

What's obvious is his hypocrisy, maliciousness and his perverse application of 
his mental constructs to suit his agenda.

Considering the fact these very same concepts explain away all the dishonesty, 
deception of the likes of Share, Curtis and pure paranoid, delusional, 
malicious rants of Barry. A writer honing his skills? OMG what retarded crap 
from Xeno.


On Apr 26, 2013, at 5:27 PM, "authfriend"  wrote:

> God, the hypocrisy and malice are monumental.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Too Sexy for Saudi?

[Mike Dixon]

I'm too sexy for my sheets, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39YUXIKrOFk

 


 From: John 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 9:28 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Too Sexy for Saudi?
  
 
   
 
Let this be a warning to FFL members who may think they're too hot.  You can 
get arrested in Saudi Arabia.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/too-sexy-for-saudi-omar-borkan-al-gala-deported-from-saudi-arabia-for-being-too-handsome-photo-94779/

   
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 27-Apr-13 00:15:03 UTC

[Emily Reyn]

Dang it Alex, are you listening to Krishna Das or something?  There are 4 names 
isolated off the post and 5 references that you list.  Talk to me, Alex, talk 
to me.  What is the intention behind this post?  



>
> From: Alex Stanley 
>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 5:29 PM
>Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 27-Apr-13 00:15:03 UTC
> 
>
>
>  
>
>
>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount  wrote:
>>
>> Fairfield Life Post Counter
>> ===
>> Start Date (UTC): 04/20/13 00:00:00
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>> 50 authfriend 
>> 49 doctordumbass
>> 49 Share Long 
>> 49 Michael Jackson 
>
>Shree Krishna
>Govinda 
>Hare Muraare
>He Naatha Naaraayana 
>Vaasudeva 
>
>
> 
>
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sam Harris - Athiesm and Martial Arts

[Buck]

See, even the godless atheist believes in a unified transcendent by 
Self-revealing experience.  He seems very spiritual with his guard down here 
even though he is usually trying not to be to his followers,
 "Nevertheless, meditation is a skill that can be taught. Self-transcendence is 
a repeatable experiment". Yup. 


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Yifu"  wrote:
>
> http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/04/what-martial-arts-have-to-do-with-atheism/275273/
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sam Harris - Athiesm and Martial Arts

[Buck]

Nice lay-person description by the atheist of the transcendent in contrast.
"You are thinking every moment and not aware of it, and the initial experience 
of anyone who seriously tries to meditate is one of discovering how incessant 
this cascade of thoughts is".

>
> See, even the godless atheist believes in a unified transcendent by 
> Self-revealing experience.  He seems very spiritual with his guard down here 
> even though he is usually trying not to be to his followers,
>  "Nevertheless, meditation is a skill that can be taught. Self-transcendence 
> is a repeatable experiment". Yup. 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Yifu"  wrote:
> >
> > http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/04/what-martial-arts-have-to-do-with-atheism/275273/
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 27-Apr-13 00:15:03 UTC

[Ravi Chivukula]

I thought may be the numbers added up to 108 or some other mystical number
that caused Alex to go into a mystical, devotional trance but it doesn't
appear to be the case - adds up to 197, may be 3 49's - I just don't know.
He may be too blissed out to reply right away.



On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 6:03 PM, Emily Reyn  wrote:

> **
>
>
> Dang it Alex, are you listening to Krishna Das or something?  There are 4
> names isolated off the post and 5 references that you list.  Talk to me,
> Alex, talk to me.  What is the intention behind this post?
>
>   --
>  *From:* Alex Stanley 
> *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Friday, April 26, 2013 5:29 PM
> *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 27-Apr-13 00:15:03 UTC
>
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount 
> wrote:
> >
> > Fairfield Life Post Counter
> > ===
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> > 50 authfriend
> > 49 doctordumbass
> > 49 Share Long
> > 49 Michael Jackson
>
> Shree Krishna
> Govinda
> Hare Muraare
> He Naatha Naaraayana
> Vaasudeva
>
>
>
>
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 27-Apr-13 00:15:03 UTC

[Alex Stanley]

It's a joyful celebration of people posting near the limit but not going over. 
Thus ending another fine week of spiritual upliftment and civil discourse on 
FFL.

Jai Guru Dev

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:
>
> Dang it Alex, are you listening to Krishna Das or something?  There are 4 
> names isolated off the post and 5 references that you list.  Talk to me, 
> Alex, talk to me.  What is the intention behind this post?  
> 
> 
> 
> >
> > From: Alex Stanley 
> >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> >Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 5:29 PM
> >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 27-Apr-13 00:15:03 UTC
> > 
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount  wrote:
> >>
> >> Fairfield Life Post Counter
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> >
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> >Govinda 
> >Hare Muraare
> >He Naatha Naaraayana 
> >Vaasudeva 
> >
> >
> > 
> >
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>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enemy of Mankind spreading Negativity

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wleed3  wrote:
>
> Amen to this buck
>

Dear FFL,
Mr. Moderator Sir; I take this "Amen" of the distinguished elder meditator from 
Upstate of the Great State of New York as a second to the motion on the 
Fairfieldlife Resolution of Mutual Respect otherwise known as the FFL Saha Nav 
Resolution.   

> 
> 
> In a message dated 04/26/13 16:15:50 Eastern Daylight Time, Buck writes:
> FFL Moderators, List Owner, Friends; as a motion for consideration, I move we 
> consider the adoption of the more correct translation of the Saha Nav hymn 
> as: 
> 
> The Fairfieldlife (FFL) Resolution of Mutual Respect: 
> 
> Om ! May the Unified Field protect us both together; 
> May It nourish us both together; 
> May we work conjointly with great energy, 
> May our study be vigorous and effective; 
> May we not mutually dispute or may we not hate any. 
> 
> -Buck 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > Friends, as a means to have constructive engagement with these nay-bobs of 
> > anti-meditation negativity here, 
> > In process first we need to enact a FFL resolution of mutual respect 
> > to have something in all our favor to rally around to enforce against the 
> > anti-meditators here.  As a motion of consideration I hereby move the 
> > adoption of the 
> > The FFL Saha Nav Resolution. 
> > For top banner publication across the FFL homepage. 
> > -Buck 
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I feel it is quite time to invoke emergency measures here to protect the 
> > > integrity of FFL as a public and spiritual forum.  Though I do not look 
> > > for this position, but as it is now brought to us and if however brought 
> > > and placed by a loyal Unified Field of FFL into a position of authority 
> > > to wrought out the necessary positive change to FFL security I should 
> > > willingly step forward and volunteer if drafted by the community to serve 
> > > as a channel to help with this great task.  I look to all your support 
> > > with this great endeavor to make FFL a spiritually safe place once again. 
> > >   
> > > -Buck 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Yes, considering TM as being under a general blog internet attack here 
> > > > and its ongoing specious forms of persistent FFL anti-meditation 
> > > > bush-whacking terrorism; not withstanding, there are clearly some 
> > > > anti-meditation radicals trying to live here among us who would blow up 
> > > > and derail passenger trains of innocents crossing over river bridges if 
> > > > they could.  Stinking anti-meditation terrorists.  It is time we do 
> > > > some things more to protect our spiritual securities ourselves for all 
> > > > we love, our families, our friends and our community.  It is time. 
> > > > -Buck 
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > (Fairfield, Iowa) Interviews with elderly meditators who reportedly 
> > > > > > knew the anti-meditation suspects at earlier times, an elder 
> > > > > > meditator remarks, 
> > > > > > "Anti-meditation is the dark religion and the former meditators 
> > > > > > became religiously anti-meditative". 
> > > > > > -0--- 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Considering now that both the modern science and people's direct 
> > > > > deeper spiritual experience are confirming first hand ancient and 
> > > > > spiritual scriptures showing just how spiritually imperative 
> > > > > transcending meditation practices are to all of humankind I feel it 
> > > > > is important that we be more proactive in protecting ourselves from 
> > > > > the radicalism of the anti-meditators here. 
> > > > > -Buck 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> > > > > > >  wrote: 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > About The FFL anti-meditation terrorism, 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Buck, nobody on FFL is stopping anyone on this forum from 
> > > > > > > > meditation who wants to meditate. There are those that feel 
> > > > > > > > that prospective meditators would be better served by having a 
> > > > > > > > larger range of facts (and in some cases fantasies) to chose 
> > > > > > > > from when making a decision. There are some who do not 
> > > > > > > > understand what meditation can do, and some who overstate what 
> > > > > > > > meditation can do. It is a tool for a particular task. The task 
> > > > > > > > is to experience reality unvarnished as is possible. As reality 
> > > > > > > > is all there is, this would seem to be a very peculiar task, 
> > > > > > > > trying to find what is in fact the only thing that is. Because 
> > > > > > > > most have a bee in their bonnet, there is a distractive element 
> > > > > > > > in our lives that meditation is an aid for ameliorating. 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > What a slick specious bunch of sophistry. By science and virtue 
> > > > > > > of people's e

[FairfieldLife] Re: The American Heart Association Recommends TM for Hypertension

[doctordumbass]

Yes, I could tell... Something about the subtle, yet forceful way he holds his 
flute. I have had some very deep experiences meditating with such a hat on. 

Unfortunately, here in the ignorant, materialistic West, I must settle for 
wearing an overturned plastic wastebasket, from IKEA, with a hole carved 
delicately for my breathing.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote:
> >
> > wasn't it Tibetan Lama Risotto No Tuba who proclaimed, "Knowledge Is
> Structured In Funny Hats."?
> 
> 
> That's right, it's the guy on the left :-)
> 
> 
> 480 × 360 - blogs.transparent.com
>  
>  USX6mAfsM:&imgrefurl=http://blogs.transparent.com/japanese/traditional-j\
> apanese-hats/&docid=bZy4ZKufGiZlQM&imgurl=http://img.youtube.com/vi/Rlyb\
> T_mfNNo/0.jpg&w=480&h=360&ei=mep6Udz-CqOo4ASNkICgBA&zoom=1&ved=1t:3588,r\
> :7,s:0,i:100>
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enemy of Mankind spreading Negativity

[Buck]

Dear FFL, Mr. Moderator Sir; Let us proceed now directly to the discussion of 
the Saha Nav resolution, The Fairfieldlife Resolution of Mutual Respect, 
otherwise known as the FFL Saha Nav Resolution.
-Buck

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wleed3  wrote:
> >
> > Amen to this buck
> >
> 
> Dear FFL,
> Mr. Moderator Sir; I take this "Amen" of the distinguished elder meditator 
> from Upstate of the Great State of New York as a second to the motion on the 
> Fairfieldlife Resolution of Mutual Respect otherwise known as the FFL Saha 
> Nav Resolution.
-Buck   
> 
> > 
> > 
> > In a message dated 04/26/13 16:15:50 Eastern Daylight Time, Buck writes:
> > FFL Moderators, List Owner, Friends; as a motion for consideration, I move 
> > we consider the adoption of the more correct translation of the Saha Nav 
> > hymn as: 
> > 
> > The Fairfieldlife (FFL) Resolution of Mutual Respect: 
> > 
> > Om ! May the Unified Field protect us both together; 
> > May It nourish us both together; 
> > May we work conjointly with great energy, 
> > May our study be vigorous and effective; 
> > May we not mutually dispute or may we not hate any. 
> > 
> > -Buck 
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Friends, as a means to have constructive engagement with these nay-bobs 
> > > of anti-meditation negativity here, 
> > > In process first we need to enact a FFL resolution of mutual respect 
> > > to have something in all our favor to rally around to enforce against the 
> > > anti-meditators here.  As a motion of consideration I hereby move the 
> > > adoption of the 
> > > The FFL Saha Nav Resolution. 
> > > For top banner publication across the FFL homepage. 
> > > -Buck 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > I feel it is quite time to invoke emergency measures here to protect 
> > > > the integrity of FFL as a public and spiritual forum.  Though I do not 
> > > > look for this position, but as it is now brought to us and if however 
> > > > brought and placed by a loyal Unified Field of FFL into a position of 
> > > > authority to wrought out the necessary positive change to FFL security 
> > > > I should willingly step forward and volunteer if drafted by the 
> > > > community to serve as a channel to help with this great task.  I look 
> > > > to all your support with this great endeavor to make FFL a spiritually 
> > > > safe place once again.   
> > > > -Buck 
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Yes, considering TM as being under a general blog internet attack 
> > > > > here and its ongoing specious forms of persistent FFL anti-meditation 
> > > > > bush-whacking terrorism; not withstanding, there are clearly some 
> > > > > anti-meditation radicals trying to live here among us who would blow 
> > > > > up and derail passenger trains of innocents crossing over river 
> > > > > bridges if they could.  Stinking anti-meditation terrorists.  It is 
> > > > > time we do some things more to protect our spiritual securities 
> > > > > ourselves for all we love, our families, our friends and our 
> > > > > community.  It is time. 
> > > > > -Buck 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > (Fairfield, Iowa) Interviews with elderly meditators who 
> > > > > > > reportedly knew the anti-meditation suspects at earlier times, an 
> > > > > > > elder meditator remarks, 
> > > > > > > "Anti-meditation is the dark religion and the former meditators 
> > > > > > > became religiously anti-meditative". 
> > > > > > > -0--- 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Considering now that both the modern science and people's direct 
> > > > > > deeper spiritual experience are confirming first hand ancient and 
> > > > > > spiritual scriptures showing just how spiritually imperative 
> > > > > > transcending meditation practices are to all of humankind I feel it 
> > > > > > is important that we be more proactive in protecting ourselves from 
> > > > > > the radicalism of the anti-meditators here. 
> > > > > > -Buck 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> > > > > > > >  wrote: 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > About The FFL anti-meditation terrorism, 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Buck, nobody on FFL is stopping anyone on this forum from 
> > > > > > > > > meditation who wants to meditate. There are those that feel 
> > > > > > > > > that prospective meditators would be better served by having 
> > > > > > > > > a larger range of facts (and in some cases fantasies) to 
> > > > > > > > > chose from when making a decision. There are some who do not 
> > > > > > > > > understand what meditation can do, and some who overstate 
> > > > > > > > > what meditation can do. It is a tool for a particular task. 
> > > > > > > > > The task is to experience reality unvarn

[FairfieldLife] Re: Responses to DrD, Stevie-poo, Share, and Barry

[authfriend]

Response to two posts from Share:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long 
 wrote:
>
> Here Ann goes one step further. She actually drops
> the word psychological altogether! Of course
> recently Ann wrote a whole paragraph about
> physical rape so I guess she had already primed 
> herself for that leap.

Do you think you can sink any lower, Share?

If you were talking about some vanilla ice cream
you had eaten, and then a few sentences later you
referred to it as "ice cream," would that be a
"leap"? Or is that just the way normal people
talk?

> OTOH she is now tired of this topic so probably
> she won't respond to this.

It's self-evidently preposterous and self-evidently 
malicious, so there's no need for her to respond. I 
don't know why *I'm* bothering.
  
> I used the phrase psychological rape. I never
> said I was psychologically raped.

Well, you've cooked your own goose now, baby doll.

Let's go to the archives that you accuse me of
having "rejected," shall we?

Here's what you said (I've capitalized the phrase
you used so it can't be missed):

"Just for the record, this is exactly why I got
so upset initially with Robin about the Russian
flash mob post. Being PSYCHOLOGICALLY RAPED didn't
feel good then just as it doesn't feel good now."

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/321664

You couldn't even remember which phrase you used, 
"psychological rape" or "psychologically raped."
That's how much difference there is between them.

> More importantly, I never called Robin a 
> psychological rapist. As Judy well knows,
> because she is a word person, these phrases
> carry differing connotations and weight.

Being a "word person," of course I say (as any
word person would) that those phrases do not
"carry different connotations and weight." That's
absurd.

If you are robbed, the person who robs you is a
robber.

If you are taught TM, the person who teaches you
TM is a TM teacher.

If you are psychologically raped, the person who
psychologically rapes you is a psychological
rapist.

A psychological rape doesn't happen in the
abstract. For a psychological rape to occur,
someone has to commit the psychological rape,
and the person who does so is a psychological
rapist.

One uses whichever form of the phrase suits the
grammatical context of what one wants to say.

You don't have *any* wiggle room here, Share.

(And FWIW, the phrase "psychological rapist" has
been used here since the day you first made the 
accusation back on October 1, and you never
objected to it until now. Even Robin used it, and
you didn't correct *him*. Again, that's how much
difference it makes--i.e., none.)

> I have already emailed Robin about the separate
> but related issues of reconciliation and
> apologies. As far as I'm concerned, the next
> step is his. Any badgering by Judy et al IMHO
> should be directed his way.

Even if he were here, there's nothing to badger
him *about*. He never did anything wrong.

I would have something to say to Robin on this
only if he asked my advice about reconciling
with you, in which case I would recommend, as
I've said, that he stay as far away from you as 
possible, even if you apologize and retract 
your accusation. I'd tell him I thought he should 
accept the apology, grant forgiveness, then never 
interact with or speak about you again. You should 
become a nonperson to him.

For that matter, this is what I would tell anyone
who was contemplating any kind of personal
relationship with you, online or offline: Do not
get involved with Share. You'll only come to
regret it, because if any disagreement ever arises 
between you, you will find yourself dealing with a 
person who does everything she can to keep reality
off her radar screen, who has no sense of personal 
accountability, and who is entirely unable to cope 
with the demands of reason and logic.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long 
 wrote:
>
> Ann, the FACT is, according to Judy's oft beloved but
> now strangely rejected archives,

Does Share mean the archives I keep quoting over
and over?

"Just for the record, this is exactly why I got so
upset initially with Robin about the Russian flash
mob post. Being psychologically raped didn't feel
good then just as it doesn't feel good now."

(Trouble is, this is not how Share said she felt
*at the time*, as I keep pointing out.)

> that in the upsets
> with Robin I used the term psychological rape not 
> rapist. Judy's sneaky attributing of the latter
> term to me as something I said is an example IMO
> of the depth of her dishonesty, more so because
> she presents herself as the epitome of honesty,
> as the one who always sticks to the facts. Here
> is just one example that she, like the rest of
> us, does not always stick to the facts. But in 
> this case I think she does so maliciously not
> because of faulty memory and or emotional upset.

I've dealt with this in my response to her other
post. Here I'll just say that I think the fact
that Share h

[FairfieldLife] In which Share is psychologically raped

[authfriend]

Here we go folks, this is the Psychological Rape of
Share you've heard so much about.

Obviously each of you will choose whether to read it
or not, but I would suggest that if you *don't* read
it, you are not in a position to comment on any of
the current discussion about Share's "psychological
rape" accusation, because the post below is what it
has all been about.

I've snipped the second part of the post because it's
just more friendly conversation about other topics,
but if you want to read that too, here it is:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/post

The first paragraph below, headed "Robin1," is the one
in which Robin makes the remarks that will so upset
Share in another four weeks. The paragraph that begins
"Share1" is Share's reaction to those remarks of
Robin's at the time.

The third and fourth paragraphs are Robin's response
to Share's reaction in the second paragraph to Robin's
remarks in the first paragraph.

The post Robin is referring to in the first paragraph
is the one Share has called the "Russian flash-mob
post." Robin had posted a video of a Russian flash-mob
performing "Puttin' on the Ritz":

http://www.youtube.com/embed/KgoapkOo4vg?rel=0

Share loved it and waxed enthusiatic about it. Her
enthusiasm is what Robin is commenting on.



Dear Share,
Robin1: You must excuse my presumption here (because it
is very likely I am wrong) but I must tell you that in 
this post I get to feel the most Share that is there 
severed (perhaps not consciously:)) from her philosophy. 
It just *seemed* to me that all you wrote here came out 
of your experience unmediated by any final beliefs about 
what is real. Like a beautiful accident of Share making 
herself available beyond what would be possible were she 
solidly, as she almost always is, behind her spiritual 
orientation to people and reality (which, in the 
weaponry and ordnance deployed by some of us more 
irascible FFL posters, is sometimes--silently, mind 
you--denigrated as being overly positive--and therefore 
impotent:)).

Share1: hi Robin, yes I will excuse your presumption if 
you excuse my not going down this particular rabbit hole 
again. You know, the one about my being so positive yada 
yada. As for my being impotent, it's not been my 
intention to be, uh, potent. So no problemo. Sigh, btw, 
I notice I'm feeling grumpy this morning. Blaming it on 
the sugar I ate yesterday. Somehow I've become very 
sensitive to sugar. Anyway, Robin, apologies for taking 
it out on you.

Robin2: All that I was trying to communicate--and I said 
I was "very likely...wrong"--was the sense I had in 
reading your post to me that *I was only getting the 
human being Share Long*--and no belief system. This was 
my honest and undeniable experience. I had to be true to 
that experience, and I thought it noteworthy; I took the 
chance on making this experience known to the person who 
had produced that experience inside of me. My approach 
here was the only one that seemed available to me--with
all the qualifiers which I thought would obviate the need
to retaliate. :-)

I found in the assumption that I was correct: i.e. I was
only getting the person Share here--that somehow you came 
across more powerfully and beautifully this way--But, 
again, this is only an impression I have: Perhaps in your 
post you were aware of asserting your philosophy all the 
same. You must understand me here, Share, so that you do 
not construe my post as some kind of hint to you: viz. 
Hey, Share: how about laying off the positive philosophy 
and just talking to me as the real person you are! It was 
not this at all; it was my confessing to you how your 
post influenced me and what I assumed was the cause of 
that influence. Nothing more than this, Share--no matter 
how it seemed. And I even take responsibility for you 
being slightly offended by what for you--if I am 
interpreting you truthfully--was my attempt to be 
didactic. I just had a different experience of you and I 
tried to tell you what that experience was. I will 
suspend my attempt to make that experience intelligible 
to me, and just say: great post, Share. :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enemy of Mankind spreading Negativity

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> On 04/26/2013 02:38 PM, Alex Stanley wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >> FFL Moderators, List Owner, Friends; as a motion for consideration, I move 
> >> we consider the adoption of the more correct translation of the Saha Nav 
> >> hymn as:
> >>
> >> The Fairfieldlife (FFL) Resolution of Mutual Respect:
> >>
> >> Om ! May the Unified Field protect us both together;
> >> May It nourish us both together;
> >> May we work conjointly with great energy,
> >> May our study be vigorous and effective;
> >> May we not mutually dispute or may we not hate any.
> >>
> >> -Buck
> >>
> > Buck, I'm totally on the same wavelength with respect to this important 
> > matter, and I'd give it my full attention and consideration, if only I 
> > could just stop thinking about your tits.
> >
> I think the two of us could accommodate Buck with his own
> custom version of FFL for a measly $150K.  It could auto
> generate all the posts he wants to see.  No one would see
> it but him of course. :-D

Yeah, but will it have any tits?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enemy of Mankind spreading Negativity

[Buck]

Dear FFL, Mr. Moderator Sir, A Point of order; there seems to be a discrepancy 
between the proper or correct translation of the Saha Nav hymn on the one hand 
and the TM movement's version which was created.  We should need expert witness 
as to reconcile the evident difference to the proper or correct translation of 
the Saha Nav hymn and the origin of the TM version used by the TM movement for 
their purposes.  Could witnesses come forward to testify as to the facts on the 
discrepancy?

>
> Dear FFL, Mr. Moderator Sir; Let us proceed now directly to the discussion of 
> the Saha Nav resolution, The Fairfieldlife Resolution of Mutual Respect, 
> otherwise known as the FFL Saha Nav Resolution.
> -Buck
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wleed3  wrote:
> > >
> > > Amen to this buck
> > >
> > 
> > Dear FFL,
> > Mr. Moderator Sir; I take this "Amen" of the distinguished elder meditator 
> > from Upstate of the Great State of New York as a second to the motion on 
> > the Fairfieldlife Resolution of Mutual Respect otherwise known as the FFL 
> > Saha Nav Resolution.
> -Buck   
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > In a message dated 04/26/13 16:15:50 Eastern Daylight Time, Buck writes:
> > > FFL Moderators, List Owner, Friends; as a motion for consideration, I 
> > > move we consider the adoption of the more correct translation of the Saha 
> > > Nav hymn as: 
> > > 
> > > The Fairfieldlife (FFL) Resolution of Mutual Respect: 
> > > 
> > > Om ! May the Unified Field protect us both together; 
> > > May It nourish us both together; 
> > > May we work conjointly with great energy, 
> > > May our study be vigorous and effective; 
> > > May we not mutually dispute or may we not hate any. 
> > > 
> > > -Buck 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Friends, as a means to have constructive engagement with these nay-bobs 
> > > > of anti-meditation negativity here, 
> > > > In process first we need to enact a FFL resolution of mutual respect 
> > > > to have something in all our favor to rally around to enforce against 
> > > > the anti-meditators here.  As a motion of consideration I hereby move 
> > > > the adoption of the 
> > > > The FFL Saha Nav Resolution. 
> > > > For top banner publication across the FFL homepage. 
> > > > -Buck 
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I feel it is quite time to invoke emergency measures here to protect 
> > > > > the integrity of FFL as a public and spiritual forum.  Though I do 
> > > > > not look for this position, but as it is now brought to us and if 
> > > > > however brought and placed by a loyal Unified Field of FFL into a 
> > > > > position of authority to wrought out the necessary positive change to 
> > > > > FFL security I should willingly step forward and volunteer if drafted 
> > > > > by the community to serve as a channel to help with this great task.  
> > > > > I look to all your support with this great endeavor to make FFL a 
> > > > > spiritually safe place once again.   
> > > > > -Buck 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Yes, considering TM as being under a general blog internet attack 
> > > > > > here and its ongoing specious forms of persistent FFL 
> > > > > > anti-meditation bush-whacking terrorism; not withstanding, there 
> > > > > > are clearly some anti-meditation radicals trying to live here among 
> > > > > > us who would blow up and derail passenger trains of innocents 
> > > > > > crossing over river bridges if they could.  Stinking 
> > > > > > anti-meditation terrorists.  It is time we do some things more to 
> > > > > > protect our spiritual securities ourselves for all we love, our 
> > > > > > families, our friends and our community.  It is time. 
> > > > > > -Buck 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > (Fairfield, Iowa) Interviews with elderly meditators who 
> > > > > > > > reportedly knew the anti-meditation suspects at earlier times, 
> > > > > > > > an elder meditator remarks, 
> > > > > > > > "Anti-meditation is the dark religion and the former meditators 
> > > > > > > > became religiously anti-meditative". 
> > > > > > > > -0--- 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Considering now that both the modern science and people's direct 
> > > > > > > deeper spiritual experience are confirming first hand ancient and 
> > > > > > > spiritual scriptures showing just how spiritually imperative 
> > > > > > > transcending meditation practices are to all of humankind I feel 
> > > > > > > it is important that we be more proactive in protecting ourselves 
> > > > > > > from the radicalism of the anti-meditators here. 
> > > > > > > -Buck 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros 
> > > > > > > > > Anartaxius"  wrote: 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: 
> > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: to azgrey was what a Sunday on FFL

[seventhray27]

Emily's post gets an "E" for effort, but as compared to Xeno's post, I'm
afraid it fell well short.  I mean it kept going and going, but never
really reached the goal in my opinion.  On the other hand, your posts
always get a "B" .for boring that is.  It is no wonder that you are
a frustrated householder.  Who could really stand to be around you for
any period of time?


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
>
> Yes, you got it right Steve baby this is how I sometimes choose to
respond to attention sluts (thanks Barry baby) who have nothing
intelligent, honest, creative to say.
>
> Have something intelligent to say - I'm all ears baby.
>
> Did you read the post by Emily - beautiful isn't it?
>
> No Share Long-ish pathetic, phony, passive-aggressive, pitta-deranged,
paranoid, platitude puking there.
>
>
> On Apr 26, 2013, at 4:37 PM, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@... wrote:
>
> > Ravi, doggonnit, you are not as dumb as I thought. Since you always,
pretty much post the same thing, it makes sense to cut and paste as you
have been doing.
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
> > >
> > > Please don't humiliate yourself with your frivolous, careless,
reactive
> > > posts - day in and day out. How shameless, clueless, brainless can
you be -
> > > is there a bottom that you can hit or is this a bottomless pit you
are in?
> > >
> > > Take another shot at it, take your time, there's no hurry, I will
give my
> > > complete attention to it, I promise.
> > >
> > > Come up with something that has a morsel of dignity and
intelligence -
> > > anything - some creative insult, insight, irony. Please I beg you
- give me
> > > something Steve baby.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 8:58 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@...:
> > >
> > > > **
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ravi, you're in a league of your own with the reactive,
frivolous, stupid
> > > > posts. But I liked the lawyer bit. I wish you'd stay on that
theme a
> > > > little more.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Please don't humiliate yourself with your frivolous, careless,
reactive
> > > > > posts - day in and day out. How shameless, clueless, brainless
can you
> > > > be -
> > > > > is there a bottom that you can hit or is this a bottomless pit
you are
> > > > in?
> > > > >
> > > > > Take another shot at it, take your time, there's no hurry, I
will give my
> > > > > complete attention to it, I promise.
> > > > >
> > > > > Come up with something that has a morsel of dignity and
intelligence -
> > > > > anything - some creative insult, insight, irony. Please I beg
you - give
> > > > me
> > > > > something Steve baby.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 8:25 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@:
> > > > >
> > > > > > **
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You are vomiting Ravi. You might want to try the toilet.
They should
> > > > have
> > > > > > a nice one where you work. Or at least tomorrow, if it
should come up
> > > > > > again.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sorry dear Share we all got distracted by your stalking
err searching
> > > > > > for Sal.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Considering your disability I have made this real easy for
you.
> > > > Please
> > > > > > feel free to take the help of the idiots Feste and Steve.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Your post referring to my grandmother below has the
characteristics
> > > > of
> > > > > > which of the following
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > a) Phony
> > > > > > > b) Passive-aggressive
> > > > > > > c) Platitude puking
> > > > > > > d) Pitta-putrefied
> > > > > > > e) Paranoid
> > > > > > > d) My heart says (a) but it's probably (b)
> > > > > > > g) My intuition says (b) but it's probably (d)
> > > > > > > h) My gut says (e) but it's probably (a)
> > > > > > > i) Feste may say sweet but it's (a)
> > > > > > > j) Steve may say Kali but it's (b)
> > > > > > > h) Any of the above
> > > > > > > k) All of the above
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Remember there's no right or wrong answer and there's good
and bad in
> > > > > > you and imagine this process to be a kind of a spring
cleaning for your
> > > > > > chakras which even the likes of John Newton may approve.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Love,
> > > > > > > Ravi
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Apr 25, 2013, at 4:54 AM, Share Long sharelong60@
wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > dear Ravi, even before I read this tale of grandsons
illustrious
> > > > and
> > > > > > otherwise, I was remembering that sweet sweet photo of you
with your
> > > > > > Grandmother. See how in tune we are?! Anyway, IMHO what's in
that
> > > > photo is
> > > > > > what's really important in life.
> > > > > > > > love,
> > > > > > > > Share
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > To: "Fa

[FairfieldLife] Re: Psychological Rape

[seventhray27]

Sheesh, it really got to you didn't it Ravi. We really haven't seen you
this discombobulated for some time. Your dull and rusty and butter knife
is no match for Xeno's logic. Maybe it's time to concede to a higher
power.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
>
> "God, the hypocrisy and malice are monumental."
>
> Thank you - my feelings exactly. What causes our platitude puking
wannabe Guru Xeno so much discomfort or why do his pseudo-Eastern
concepts of ego, delusion, pure consciousness break down here?
>
> What's obvious is his hypocrisy, maliciousness and his perverse
application of his mental constructs to suit his agenda.
>
> Considering the fact these very same concepts explain away all the
dishonesty, deception of the likes of Share, Curtis and pure paranoid,
delusional, malicious rants of Barry. A writer honing his skills? OMG
what retarded crap from Xeno.
>
>
> On Apr 26, 2013, at 5:27 PM, "authfriend" authfriend@... wrote:
>
> > God, the hypocrisy and malice are monumental.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Responses to DrD, Stevie-poo, Share, and Barry

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote:
> > >
> > > Come on Steve, at least concede this point. You only look 
> > > silly not to admit that it follows if someone said they had 
> > > been "psychologically raped" by X then it follows that the 
> > > accuser is saying X is a psychological rapist. To deny this 
> > > is so makes it appear you either don't know that 1+1=2 or 
> > > that you have no degree of rational, logical reasoning or 
> > > that in your efforts to defend someone you are willing to
> > > look like a fool.
> > 
> > Think about who we are dealing with Ann.  Ms. Editor, Ms. 
> > Corrector, the person who insists on exactness, but who 
> > is willing to (attempt, at least) spin any situation to 
> > try to prove a point.  Share did not say those words.  
> > Judy puts those words in quotes as though she did. To me
> > there is a subtle difference between feeling that one was
> > "psychologically raped", and calling someone a "psychological 
> > rapist"

That's, um, an idiosyncrasy of yours, Stevie-weevie.

A person doesn't get psychologically raped all by
themselves. There has to be a person who commits
the psychological rape.

Is there a subtle difference between saying a person
was murdered and calling the person who murdered him
a murderer?

The quotes around the various versions of the phrase
are what is known as "scare quotes." Look it up.

> Especially when the equivalence is coming from the
> person who screams the loudest when anyone does the
> same thing to her, placing something in quotes 
> ("scare" or otherwise) and (in her eyes) WILLFULLY,
> HARMFULLY, and MALEVOLENTLY making it sound as if
> she (Judy) said the words in quotes.
> 
> Yet again, it's fine when she does it, but a terrible
> crime punishable by The Corrector if anyone else does it.

Nice try, Barry, no cigar. Apples and qumquats. You
almost always foul up, you know, when you haven't read
the thread you're commenting on. Makes you look
RELY REEELY STOOOPID.