[FairfieldLife] RE: 2014, The Dome Numbers, Resolutions, Some humble suggestions for the coming FF New Year
Friends; The Dome doors open at 7am for meditation. Everyday. Happy New Year! Today! Come join with us for group meditations and let there be peace in the world in this New Year. Change evidently begins within and can begin within you by the mediating affect of the Meissner Effect of consciousness coherence peace radiating from deep transcendental meditation within outward. Come join in with meditation groups near you to help mediate for peace in the world this year. It is the opportunity of a lifetime, -Buck in the Dome Yes indeed, let us be humble now at year's end with the New Year beginning. Taking stock now at year's end our community Dome meditation numbers are frightfully low. Men's Dome meditation numbers are more frequently even below 200. That is even lower than whence the Assembly started back in 2006 of the real nadir days with TM in the West. This low meditation number now does not bode well. With the collapse and failure of the Assembly around the Settle grant we need now more than ever before better leadership in this new year. The old adage, “you can't lead from behind”; Our leadership needs to come to the Domes too where they might even get seen in battle. All meditators, rich as well as poor, praise the Unified Field and come to meditation for world peace in the New Year, -Buck Om come, humble sinner, in whose breast A thousand thoughts revolve. Come with your guilt and fear oppressed, And make this last resolve. I'll go to meditate, though my sin Hath like a mountain rose; I know its courts, I'll enter in, Whatever may oppose. I can but perish if I do not go, I am resolved to try, For if I stay away I know I must forever die. Fairfield: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXLJepRUYYE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXLJepRUYYE ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: These are just suggestions. They are *not*, as some calling for the reinstatement of posting limits or more stringent rules or moderation seem to want, restrictions or demands. React to them as you will: * When reading people's posts, think about *intent*, in the Castanedan sense. What was the *intent* of the post; that is, what did the poster hope to accomplish with it? Did he or she *intend* to uplift or help people, or did they merely try to dump on and demean someone? If the latter, do you really want to reply to what they wrote and thus become a party to that *intent*? * When responding to other people's posts, cast a thought or two before you press the Send key as to what your *intent* is. * When reading other people's posts, give a thought as to whether anything in the post is *original*, or has anything to do with the poster's actual real-world life. Do they share with you some adventure or spiritual experience they've had *recently*, or are they lost in the past, or in theory, intellectually masturbating to concepts they've only read about or heard about, and never experienced personally? If the latter, what can you ever expect to learn from interacting with such a person? * When reading other people's posts, try to discern whether or not the poster whose post you're reading is trying to win something. If they are, do you really give a shit about the 'war' or 'dick-size contest' they're trying to win, or is it all in the poster's head? If they're the only ones concerned about winning, click Next and move along. Leave the fighting of the petty ego-wars to those who believe they actually exist. * When someone posts the same tired old putdown post that they've made a thousand times before, with only the name of the intended victim changed in its latest iteration, is there any reason to respond? If you can't think of any, why respond and add to the repetition? Allowing the person to *demonstrate* their obsessive compulsive disorder is usually more effective than trying to answer or counter it. * If a person who has a history of being chronically angry and nasty seems to get the *most* angry and nasty when the people they lash out at ignore them and don't respond to or even read their posts, isn't that a great reason to *keep* ignoring them and not responding or reading? They've already revealed the thing that bothers them the most -- their greatest fear, that people will treat them as if they don't exist and as if nothing they ever say could possibly matter. Seems to me that the best thing one could do to deal with people who think like this is to help it come true. Happy New Year, and happy posting...
[FairfieldLife] RE: MMY#39;s Darshan
So, is our current TM Girish Varma a direct offspring of Dr. R.P. Varma or even
relation? How do they relate?Is R.P Varma the painter of the Guru Dev
Portraits we use for our TM Guru puja? The painter of the TM Holy Tradition
Paintings?
Who is who, in the Varma clan?
Is the woman who is now the new head over the TM Mother Divine renunciates
within TM a Varma? Just wondering? Maharishi's mom was a Varma?
-Buck fra Iowa
Om, who was Dr. R.P. Varma in the scheme of things? Refresh my memory.
I got a little book written by Dr. R.P. Varma titled, Strange Facts about a
Great Saint, A short biography of Shri Guru Dev , his Divinity Swami Brahmanand
Saraswati Maharaj, Jagad Guru Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath, Badarikashram,
Himalayas published 1980 pp136
Who is this Varma relative to Guru Dev and then Maharishi? Contemporary of
Brahmananda Saraswati? In relation with these other place holder
Shankaracharyas?
Is RP Varma still living and does he have a place in TM.org now? The Indian
TM movement?
Is he Bevan's, John's, Girish's or Tony's father?
Just wondering, to set any record straight.
-Buck
RJW Das, What was the time frame where this occurred with Jay Latham and the
gurus? 1990's, or during the 00's?
What a fabulous picture of words in this post. Like a photo from the FFL
family album. Like one of those family pictures in an album where names are
written in with arrows pointing. Thanks to Jay for labeling the people, this is
very helpful in bringing them to light. It's a very special picture of a time
and people.
Jai Gurus Devs,
-Buck
---In FairfieldLife@{{emailDomain}}, punditster@... wrote:
Galaxy of Fire: Journey to an ancient spiritual world.
Why is he here? How did he get in? The men were all clean shaven and had
their best suits on. Worst of all, there couldn't have been more than fifteen
Westerners, all total; the very top of Maharishi's Western organization, all
there by personal invitation from Maharishi himself, and all sitting in the
front row in full view of the main entrance.
So much for blending in. Behind the Westerners sat hundreds of exuberant
brahmin boys whom Maharishi was instructing in the Vedas. The few ladies I saw
were the top administrators of Maharishi's Thousand Headed Mother Divine
Course. I sat down directly in front of Maharishi who was sitting about
fifteen feet away on his dais. To his left, and above him on his own dais was
the present Shankaracharya of Jyothirmath, the spiritual pope of North India,
Sri Swami Vishnudevananda.
To his left, sitting on an even higher dais, was Guru Dev's successor
(appointed by Guru Dev himself, in his will), Shri Swami Shantanand Saraswati
Maharaj, retired Shankaracharya of Jyothirmath. These two sat under the gold
and red umbrella of the Shankaracharya, on the throne-like chairs of their
position. Surrounding them were about fifty of the most illustrious looking
orange-clad swamis I'd ever seen. This was the top of India's spiritual
tradition in the flesh. The stage area was surrounded by hundreds of lights
(candles, oil and ghee lamps) which are traditionally ]it for Diwali. The scene
was a blaze of spiritual light.
As I was sitting down Marc looked up at me with an inquisitive, raised eyebrow
and silently conveyed, What in the hell are you doing here ... what's with the
beard and the dhoti, are you completely out of your mind? The other Westerners
were also checking me out, having, of course, immediately recognized me. I
didn't even want to know their thoughts. All I could think was God, when you
fulfill a desire you really go all out. Since this is probably the last time
I'll see Maharishi for not being properly invited, I must thank you for the
fabulous send-off.
I drank in the whole scene. I'd stepped into the ageless, fiery world of the
Swami Order of Lord Shankara. A Sanskrit puja was underway in which Maharishi
was the deity. A couple of old pujaris were chanting, with one making offerings
to Maharishi splashing Ganges water on him, adorning him with green leaves,
offering incense, light from ghee lamps, etc. It reminded me of a silent film
I'd seen of Maharishi's master, Guru Dev, in which he was worshiped as
Shankaracharya in similar fashion.
This was a great honor for Maharishi, and demonstrated in the most symbolic
way possible that he was held in highest esteem by the present Shankaracharya
Order; with both the reigning and retired Shankaracharyas of Jyothirmath in
attendance. They obviously regarded Maharishi as the most enlightened disciple
of their own guru, Swami Brahmananda Saraswati (Guru Dev). I had heard that
Swami Vishnudevananda was supporting Maharishi and his movement in recruiting
Indians for the mass group practice of the TM-Sidhi program.
Maharishi always generates a feeling of eternality and transcendent silence
around him that is the most profound I've ever
[FairfieldLife] Mystery of new California crop circle
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: On 12/31/2013 7:50 PM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote: Ahh, I think Judy may have the court advantage at this point. The Ascension is what clinched it for me. Richard? The Ascension came forty years later - that's when Christ went up to heaven. Everyone knows that Mary Magdalene was the first person to see the risen Christ at his tomb after his soul rose from the dead. Everyone knows this because that's what they read in the Bible and what is taught in Sunday school. Oh, OK, forty years later, that's a long time to have waited for that. Old Magdalene coulda been dead by then.
[FairfieldLife] For Turq: New movie by Lars von Trier -
Nymphomania. Have you seen it? What did you think?
[FairfieldLife] RE: Get Your Ducks in a Row
Yes, Seraphita, I know what your point was. It wasn't clear to me whether you were making it as a way of joining the dispute, but if you weren't, and aren't confused by Richard, more power to you. Several of the noncanonical Gospels featuring Mary Magdalen include much reported sniping by the male disciples at Mary's apparent status as Jesus' favorite. It's pretty amusing, and it certainly reinforces your point that her importance was so offensive to the prevailing patriarchal viewpoint that it's highly unlikely it was made up, especially given that the situation made its way into the canonical Gospels in the accounts of the discovery of Jesus' resurrection. That she is portrayed as the first to see--and in John, even to speak to--the risen Christ was so well established in the tradition that the Gospel writers didn't dare mess with it or leave it out, even if her role among the disciples was downplayed otherwise. Luke couldn't quite deal with it, so he leaves out the seeing aspect, but he has to preserve the part about the women being the first to receive the news and convey it to the male disciples. Richard isn't confusing me. My point is that choosing a *woman* to be the first witness makes the story more believable (to moderns) as a made-up account would have had the first witness a male in that patriarchal society. Angels don't count being non-sexual!
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Get Your Ducks in a Row
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: On 12/31/2013 7:22 PM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote: I could buy that if I could first buy the fact that there was a Christ, a Mary Magdalene and a rising. Nobody is asking you to buy anything, but it says in the Bible that Mary Magdalene was the first person to see the risen Christ. If you don't understand that, just go see your pastor or go to Sunday school. We are not here to teach you Bible history - you should have learned that back in grade school, if not in college. Everyone knows about Mary Magdalene - she is mentioned twelve times in the New Testament. Hee, hee. First of all why not put this thing about risen into your own words so that there is not this ambiguity about what risen means? One minute you are saying the guy rose into the air, another that his soul rose to become the Christ, the next you actually mean that he merely got up (rose) from the grave. If you were to actually think about what you read in your Wiki searches and then stick to one story it might help. But Judy has done admirably in showing us, once again, the way your mind and your intentions work and the liberal use of your subsequent trolling techniques. (Not that we haven't been subject to your post binging for the last few weeks.) And by the way, I daresay 9/10ths of the world doesn't know who Mary Magdalene is - if they think America became a country 2013 years ago (according to Barry) or that the world began 6000 years ago (according to John Esq) then I seriously doubt they could tell a Magdalene from a magpie.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
He means 40 days afterward. He's a little overexcited at this point. Ahh, I think Judy may have the court advantage at this point. The Ascension is what clinched it for me. Richard? The Ascension came forty years later - that's when Christ went up to heaven. Everyone knows that Mary Magdalene was the first person to see the risen Christ at his tomb after his soul rose from the dead. Everyone knows this because that's what they read in the Bible and what is taught in Sunday school. Oh, OK, forty years later, that's a long time to have waited for that. Old Magdalene coulda been dead by then.
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Turq: New movie by Lars von Trier -
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Nymphomania. Have you seen it? What did you think? Nymphomaniac. Haven't seen it, and thus can't comment. On the whole, I find his films a tad too weird and way too melancholy to be a fan of them, but I really like Charlotte Gainsbourg, so I'll probably see it when I run across a copy.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: He means 40 days afterward. He's a little overexcited at this point. Yes, that is why I had to put it in pink. Excitement from Ricky deserves a little blush. Ahh, I think Judy may have the court advantage at this point. The Ascension is what clinched it for me. Richard? The Ascension came forty years later - that's when Christ went up to heaven. Everyone knows that Mary Magdalene was the first person to see the risen Christ at his tomb after his soul rose from the dead. Everyone knows this because that's what they read in the Bible and what is taught in Sunday school. Oh, OK, forty years later, that's a long time to have waited for that. Old Magdalene coulda been dead by then.
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Turq: New movie by Lars von Trier -
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Nymphomania. Have you seen it? What did you think? Nymphomaniac. Haven't seen it, and thus can't comment. On the whole, I find his films a tad too weird and way too melancholy to be a fan of them, but I really like Charlotte Gainsbourg, so I'll probably see it when I run across a copy. It looks interesting but not interesting enough for me to want to watch it: http://www.praguepost.com/cinema/33988-movie-review-nymphomaniac-vol-1 http://www.praguepost.com/cinema/33988-movie-review-nymphomaniac-vol-1
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
The trick Richard has been trying to play here in his series of posts last night is to make it seem as though his quotes from Wikipedia are refuting me. If you've been following this (God only knows why you would), you know (and he knows) I have no dispute with anything Wikipedia says in the passages that he quotes. The points in dispute are, or were, his original claim that Mary M. was the first to see the Jesus rise up into the sky (he's now admitted he made up the part about Jesus rising into the sky); and that all four Gospels say Mary M. was the first to see the risen Christ (he's now changed that, at least in some of his posts, to the first to realize Christ had risen, since she doesn't see him in Luke's account). As long as he sticks to realize rather than see with regard to Luke, and doesn't claim the Gospels say anything about Jesus rising up into the sky until the Ascension, we don't have any disagreements. Richard has known this all along but has dishonestly tried to suggest otherwise. No, Mary was not the first person to see the risen Christ according to Luke. Luke does not dispute the other Gospels, even if he does not mention Mary Magdalene by name. John 20 and Mark 16:9 specifically name her as the first person to see Jesus after his Resurrection. Every child in Sunday School knows this, including St. Augustine. Nobody argues that Mary Magdalen was not the first person to see the risen Christ. Nobody. She was at his burial, and she is the only person that all four Gospels say was first to realize that Jesus had risen and to testify to that central teaching of faith. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Magdalene http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Magdalene
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Get Your Ducks in a Row
On 12/31/2013 11:03 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote: My point is that choosing a *woman* to be the first witness makes the story more believable (to moderns) as a made-up account would have had the first witness a male in that patriarchal society. Angels don't count being non-sexual! Most of the Gospels in the Bible were all written by men, so it is very important that all the Gospel writers agree that Jesus appeared to Mary first, because he loved Mary more than any of the apostles. Mary had stood by him when all the others had fled. She was at the crucifixion, during the ministry of Jesus, and at the resurrection. Mary was in fact Jesus' favorite.
[FairfieldLife] RE: 2014, The Dome Numbers, Resolutions, Some humble suggestions for the coming FF New Year
Whoa..am I reading this correctly? Only 200 in the Men's dome? With numbers that low -- is the Fairfield campus a zombie of its former self?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
On 1/1/2014 8:40 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: forty years later, that's a long time to have waited for that. Old Magdalene coulda been dead by then. Or, she could have been alive; or,she could have been Jesus' concubine. Or, even his wife for all we know. The Bible doesn't say what her realationship was with Jesus except that she was a devoted follower and supporter. For all we know the death of Jesus could have been a plot to deceive the authorities. Maybe it was a robber that was hung on the cross and maybe Jesus escaped with Mary to go live in France. Maybe Jesus and Mary had a son when they lived in France. What we do know is that the early Gnostic Gospels have no hesitation describing the relationship between Mary Magdalene and Jesus. It must have been a powerful legend to cause the entire Catholic Inquisition to be formulated just to root out all the Gnostic believers out. Catharism was apparently the State religion of Languedoc. So, herein lies a secret - what is the secret knowledge of the Magdalene? We'd have to ask Barry that question - he's the expert on the Cathars. Work cited: 'The Hidden Tradition in Europe' by Yuri Stoyanov 'Venus in Sackcloth' by Marjorie Malvern Penguin, 1995
[FairfieldLife] RE: Some humble suggestions for the coming FFL New Year
Yes, it [the low Dome group meditation numbers] is a pitiable pitiful state of being. The communal meditation numbers are sadly low. I feel and hold in complete contempt those who could be in the Dome meditating with the group who are not. They are nothing better than anti-science anti-spiritual anti-meditators. They clearly do not get it. Such ignorance is entirely contemptible and without virtue. -Buck, a conservative meditator wrote: Whoa..am I reading this correctly? Only 200 in the Men's dome? With numbers that low -- is the Fairfield campus a zombie of its former self? Friends; The Dome doors open at 7am for meditation. Everyday. Happy New Year! Today! Come join with us for group meditations and let there be peace in the world in this New Year. Change evidently begins within and can begin within you by the mediating affect of the Meissner Effect of consciousness coherence peace radiating from deep transcendental meditation within outward. Come join in with meditation groups near you to help mediate for peace in the world this year. It is the opportunity of a lifetime, -Buck in the Dome Yes indeed, let us be humble now at year's end with the New Year beginning. Taking stock now at year's end our community Dome meditation numbers are frightfully low. Men's Dome meditation numbers are more frequently even below 200. That is even lower than whence the Assembly started back in 2006 of the real nadir days with TM in the West. This low meditation number now does not bode well. With the collapse and failure of the Assembly around the Settle grant we need now more than ever before better leadership in this new year. The old adage, “you can't lead from behind”; Our leadership needs to come to the Domes too where they might even get seen in battle. All meditators, rich as well as poor, praise the Unified Field and come to meditation for world peace in the New Year, -Buck
[FairfieldLife] RE: Radical Transcendentalism, Maharishi Waging Peace World Wide
Scientific Research on the Transcendental Meditation Program Collected Papers, Volume I, 1977 Editors, Orme-Johnson Farrow pp 727 In the East China Sea, in very practical terms I should really quite like to see a well formed coalition made of the United Nations Peace-keepers immediately handling the logistics of a landing of teams of AFSC Quakers as experienced mediators of conflict and meditators from the Global Country of World Peace in field effect as a joint peace-making task-force. In coalition of peace-keeping make a landing now on some island rock between them countries all for a residence of coherence mediation meditation. It is high time to attack the incoherence there directly with a much more aggressive mediation of transcending meditation. -Buck Revolution now! It is high time we claim our revolutionary heritage back from the Movement's suits. As meditators we need to take our cause with peace directly to the barricades again; the need be here in this world today that we deploy now and lay siege with meditation even to the Great Walls of China in that troubled incoherent part of the world. It is time for great spiritual and scientific revolutionary action of mediation meditation everywhere. If they won't let us in to Red China to meditate a mediation with peace there then, occupy their Great Wall. Garrison their block houses with meditation. !Occupy Now! Revolution: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH9zG28GQEg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH9zG28GQEg Police in China's restive Xinjiang region have shot dead eight people during a violent clash on Monday http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-25546531 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-25546531 The East China Sea is an ideal location to wage peace from now. It is time to occupy the whole region with peace. Surround the place with meditation. We need mediators, meditators, and peace-keepers there now. Quakers as mediators, mediators from the Global Country of World Peace, and the United Nations Peace-keepers for logistics. What are the TM Rajas doing about peace there? -Buck Japan's Prime Minister, Shinzo Abe's visit to the Yasukuni shrine has angered many in China and South Korea http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-25524559 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-25524559 From quite early on Maharishi Mahesh Yogi employed the radical direct action of groups meditating deployed in field effect as like the Meissner Effect of consciousness mediation of meditation as then even in 1962 meditating a peaceful resolution to the Cuban Missile crisis of 1962. Maharishi called for group meditations at that time to avert the critical danger of incoherence the world was suffering in at that moment in time. In a move of scientific radical peace-activism Maharishi lead group meditations against the turmoil in the world then. To his transcendental mediation we look back at it now as The Cuban missile crisis of 1962. Radicalism 1962, Radical Peace and The 1962 Cuban missile crisis: As a 20th Century revolutionary in radical peaceful affect, a prominent millenarian of his age, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi was boundlessly persistent, constant and consistent in his coming out of India going around the world in peace activism of direct-action through introducing and inciting the mediation for peaceful resolution of world conflict by the effect of group meditation. Revolution: Maharishi's formula to change the world Waging Radical Peace, Maharishi 1983. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6lCNQ9DTOY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6lCNQ9DTOY Radical Transcendentalism, It is quite time to own being peace-revolutionaries; it is quite time to own being radicals of direct-action in mediation of meditation as Maharishi's TM revolutionary peace-activists. -Buck in the Dome Deploying Radical Peace, Maharishi 1967: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3qOxNjNms0list=PL6468F67BE38B5F92 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3qOxNjNms0list=PL6468F67BE38B5F92 Look this ain't just some theory or theology of peace. This is practical science that should be public policy everywhere today. This is peace-activism as direct-action; disciplined practicum as mediation and practical in the world. Deeply spiritual and scientific at the same time. Only ignorant science-haters can deny the facts of peace-making now. It is time to deploy peace-making mediation meditation all around the world. -Buck The updated mediation meditation of Love is here now. Love is downloading even as you read this if you are open to reading and then transmitting Love beyond. There has been long ago that old humankind testament in covenant of causality with the Unified Field and then updated with the Jesus testament of love and also the vector of Compassion the Buddha has taught. It is quite time to download, update and
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: 2014, The Dome Numbers, Resolutions, Some humble suggestions for the coming FF New Year
Edg, I'd say that MUM in several ways is a lot different than MIU. Mostly there are young, international students now. The most popular programs are in Sustainable Living, Computer Science and Film Making. Finally, there are lots of new buildings and the pods are all gone! So, there have been transformations but I wouldn't say that any of them are in the direction of zombie hood! On Wednesday, January 1, 2014 9:31 AM, Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Whoa..am I reading this correctly? Only 200 in the Men's dome? With numbers that low -- is the Fairfield campus a zombie of its former self?
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Get Your Ducks in a Row
Most of the Gospels in the Bible were all written by men All four Gospels in the Bible were written by men. so it is very important that all the Gospel writers agree that Jesus appeared to Mary first Except for Luke, of course. In Luke, the risen Jesus appears first to two of the disciples (men) on the road to Emmaus. because he loved Mary more than any of the apostles. Mary had stood by him when all the others had fled. She was at the crucifixion, during the ministry of Jesus, and at the resurrection. Mary was in fact Jesus' favorite. That Mary was Jesus' favorite is a reasonable conjecture, but it's extra-biblical.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Holding back
Hey Bob, Thanks for reply. I've just been catching up on some posts. You know what I think part of the problem might be, is that for me, it is just a chat room, and so I enjoy it on that basis. Now Judy doesn't like that term. For her it something more formal. Now, nobody likes, or abides lies. Okay, that's a given. But how in the hell, can someone find so many lies in what other people post, day after day, month after month, year after year Something wrong there I think. And do you think, that, just maybe, many or most of those lies may just be differences of opinion? Talk about a week blanket! And I can't tell you how many times Judy has missed irony in other's postings! Bob, hate to the one to break the news to you, but that says something about a person's state of mind. Now, evidently you enjoy the kind of rigor she brings to the place. And I think she is a smart lady, and finds many inconsistencies. But can there ever be too much of a good thing. I think there can be. Also Bob, please excuse my misuse of the work onset to describe Richard's posts. I've just been reading through them, and I think he is a really funny guy. And another confession, I've had a few off forum discussions with Share, and I think she is a awesome lady. Just a few thoughts Bob. I think you get the gist of it. I reeling a little right now. The wife just told me how much the vacation cost. We found an art gallery that had just opened in Aspen. And they were anxious to make a sale,and we needed to replace some artwork over the two beds. Luckily that expense will be shared by three. But still, sort of reality check going on now. Happy first day of the new year!
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Get Your Ducks in a Row
On 1/1/2014 9:00 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: why not put this thing about risen into your own words so that there is not this ambiguity about what risen means? The term risen means in this context that Jesus had risen from the grave - Jesus was resurrected from the dead. His soul rose up out of the body to become a spirit. It's the central doctrine of Christianity. Most Christians follow the Nicene Creed and a belief in the resurrection miracle of the resurrection of Jesus and a resurection of the dead. According to the Gospel of Matthew, after Jesus's resurrection, many of those previously dead came out of their tombs and entered Jerusalem, where they appeared to many. I daresay 9/10ths of the world doesn't know who Mary Magdalene is - if they think America became a country 2013 years ago (according to Barry) or that the world began 6000 years ago (according to John Esq) then I seriously doubt they could tell a Magdalene from a magpie. Non sequitur.
Re: [FairfieldLife] For Turq: New movie by Lars von Trier -
There is a Red Band trailer of it on YouTube. It might not be quite what people think since the theme is sexual addiction.;-) I like Van Triers films but I don't like going to theaters that much anymore (can't afford it either) and will wait for the NR BD. On 01/01/2014 06:59 AM, waybac...@yahoo.com wrote: Nymphomania. Have you seen it? What did you think?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
On 1/1/2014 9:04 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: He means 40 days afterward. Yes, he meant 40 days until the Ascension. So, it has finally been established that Mary Magdalene was the first to see the risen Christ along with James' mother. There may have been others who were with Mary at the empty tomb, but the risen Christ appeared to Mary first and then to James' mother. So, the two went to the apostles and told them they had seen the risen Christ. None of the Apostles were present to see the empty tomb for themselves. They were told about it by Mary, the first to see the miracle of the resurrection. He's a little overexcited at this point. Non sequitur.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Holding back
Steve, Happy New Year to you and the whole family! I'm so grateful for your even tempered and profound voice on FFL. And thank you too for the personal compliment. As for the vacation costs, may they be quickly compensated for by great business in the coming months. Safe travels and all the best always. Share aka Sharon (-: On Wednesday, January 1, 2014 10:55 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey Bob, Thanks for reply. I've just been catching up on some posts. You know what I think part of the problem might be, is that for me, it is just a chat room, and so I enjoy it on that basis. Now Judy doesn't like that term. For her it something more formal. Now, nobody likes, or abides lies. Okay, that's a given. But how in the hell, can someone find so many lies in what other people post, day after day, month after month, year after year Something wrong there I think. And do you think, that, just maybe, many or most of those lies may just be differences of opinion? Talk about a week blanket! And I can't tell you how many times Judy has missed irony in other's postings! Bob, hate to the one to break the news to you, but that says something about a person's state of mind. Now, evidently you enjoy the kind of rigor she brings to the place. And I think she is a smart lady, and finds many inconsistencies. But can there ever be too much of a good thing. I think there can be. Also Bob, please excuse my misuse of the work onset to describe Richard's posts. I've just been reading through them, and I think he is a really funny guy. And another confession, I've had a few off forum discussions with Share, and I think she is aawesome lady. Just a few thoughts Bob. I think you get the gist of it. I reeling a little right now. The wife just told me how much the vacation cost. We found an art gallery that had just opened in Aspen. And they were anxious to make a sale,and we needed to replace some artwork over the two beds. Luckily that expense will be shared by three. But still, sort of reality check going on now. Happy first day of the new year!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
On 1/1/2014 9:14 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes, that is why I had to put it in pink. Excitement from Ricky deserves a little blush. what you should have put in red was that Luke wasn't at the resurrection so he was told by Mary about it. Even if Luke didn't mention Mary by name the other apostles said it was Mary that first told them about the resurrection, nobody else is mentioned in the Gospels as telling the apostles about the risen Christ - only Mary. She told them about the resurrection having witnessed it - nobody else witnessed the resurrection but Mary, according to the Gospels. Now we have finally got all our ducks in a row: almost everyone knows about Mary Magdalene being the first to tell the apostles about the risen Christ, except Ann. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Get Your Ducks in a Row
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: On 1/1/2014 9:00 AM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote: why not put this thing about risen into your own words so that there is not this ambiguity about what risen means? The term risen means in this context that Jesus had risen from the grave - Jesus was resurrected from the dead. His soul rose up out of the body to become a spirit. It's the central doctrine of Christianity. Most Christians follow the Nicene Creed and a belief in the resurrection miracle of the resurrection of Jesus and a resurection of the dead. According to the Gospel of Matthew, after Jesus's resurrection, many of those previously dead came out of their tombs and entered Jerusalem, where they appeared to many. I daresay 9/10ths of the world doesn't know who Mary Magdalene is - if they think America became a country 2013 years ago (according to Barry) or that the world began 6000 years ago (according to John Esq) then I seriously doubt they could tell a Magdalene from a magpie. Non sequitur. What, the magpie or the Mary?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams wrote: Yes, he meant 40 days until the Ascension. So, it has finally been established that Mary Magdalene was the first to see the risen Christ along with James' mother. There may have been others who were with Mary at the empty tomb, but the risen Christ appeared to Mary first and then to James' mother. So, the two went to the apostles and told them they had seen the risen Christ. None of the Apostles were present to see the empty tomb for themselves. They were told about it by Mary, the first to see the miracle of the resurrection. I guess it's just what some people think of as fun, but personally I can find zero interest in any of this. To me it's like hearing a bunch of people debating a nitpicky plot point in The Lord Of The Rings, as if their opinion *mattered*, or as if the nitpick about a work of fiction *mattered*. The Bible is arguably *just* as fictional. It's as silly as people talking about similarly nitpicky plot points in the Bhagavad-Gita, *also* a work of fiction. It boggles my mind that people can debate it as if it weren't. I have to think that what's going on is dueling egos -- *My* opinion about this fictional story is RIGHT, and all others are WRONG. What a waste of life...
[FairfieldLife] RE: Get Your Ducks in a Row
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams wrote: Yes, he meant 40 days until the Ascension. So, it has finally been established that Mary Magdalene was the first to see the risen Christ along with James' mother. There may have been others who were with Mary at the empty tomb, but the risen Christ appeared to Mary first and then to James' mother. So, the two went to the apostles and told them they had seen the risen Christ. None of the Apostles were present to see the empty tomb for themselves. They were told about it by Mary, the first to see the miracle of the resurrection. I guess it's just what some people think of as fun, but personally I can find zero interest in any of this. To me it's like hearing a bunch of people debating a nitpicky plot point in The Lord Of The Rings, as if their opinion *mattered*, or as if the nitpick about a work of fiction *mattered*. The Bible is arguably *just* as fictional. It's as silly as people talking about similarly nitpicky plot points in the Bhagavad-Gita, *also* a work of fiction. It boggles my mind that people can debate it as if it weren't. I have to think that what's going on is dueling egos -- *My* opinion about this fictional story is RIGHT, and all others are WRONG. What a waste of life... I think you're taking it all too seriously. No one else here is, except maybe Ricky.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Radical Transcendentalism, Maharishi Waging Peace World Wide
Paper 98 Introduction In 1960 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, founder of the Transcendental Meditation program, predicted that a transition in society toward a more orderly and harmonious functioning would occur when a small fraction -on the order of one percent- of a population practiced the Transcendental Meditation technique (6), and in December 1974 we found that crime rate did decrease in four midwestern U.S. Cities in which one percent of the population was practicing the TM technique. Scientific Research on the Transcendental Meditation Program Collected Papers, Volume I, 1977 Editors, Orme-Johnson Farrow pp 727 In the East China Sea, in very practical terms I should really quite like to see a well formed coalition made of the United Nations Peace-keepers immediately handling the logistics of a landing of teams of AFSC Quakers as experienced mediators of conflict and meditators from the Global Country of World Peace in field effect as a joint peace-making task-force. In coalition of peace-keeping make a landing now on some island rock between them countries all for a residence of coherence mediation meditation. It is high time to attack the incoherence there directly with a much more aggressive mediation of transcending meditation. -Buck Revolution now! It is high time we claim our revolutionary heritage back from the Movement's suits. As meditators we need to take our cause with peace directly to the barricades again; the need be here in this world today that we deploy now and lay siege with meditation even to the Great Walls of China in that troubled incoherent part of the world. It is time for great spiritual and scientific revolutionary action of mediation meditation everywhere. If they won't let us in to Red China to meditate a mediation with peace there then, occupy their Great Wall. Garrison their block houses with meditation. !Occupy Now! Revolution: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH9zG28GQEg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH9zG28GQEg Police in China's restive Xinjiang region have shot dead eight people during a violent clash on Monday http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-25546531 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-25546531 The East China Sea is an ideal location to wage peace from now. It is time to occupy the whole region with peace. Surround the place with meditation. We need mediators, meditators, and peace-keepers there now. Quakers as mediators, mediators from the Global Country of World Peace, and the United Nations Peace-keepers for logistics. What are the TM Rajas doing about peace there? -Buck Japan's Prime Minister, Shinzo Abe's visit to the Yasukuni shrine has angered many in China and South Korea http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-25524559 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-25524559 From quite early on Maharishi Mahesh Yogi employed the radical direct action of groups meditating deployed in field effect as like the Meissner Effect of consciousness mediation of meditation as then even in 1962 meditating a peaceful resolution to the Cuban Missile crisis of 1962. Maharishi called for group meditations at that time to avert the critical danger of incoherence the world was suffering in at that moment in time. In a move of scientific radical peace-activism Maharishi lead group meditations against the turmoil in the world then. To his transcendental mediation we look back at it now as The Cuban missile crisis of 1962. Radicalism 1962, Radical Peace and The 1962 Cuban missile crisis: As a 20th Century revolutionary in radical peaceful affect, a prominent millenarian of his age, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi was boundlessly persistent, constant and consistent in his coming out of India going around the world in peace activism of direct-action through introducing and inciting the mediation for peaceful resolution of world conflict by the effect of group meditation. Revolution: Maharishi's formula to change the world Waging Radical Peace, Maharishi 1983. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6lCNQ9DTOY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6lCNQ9DTOY Radical Transcendentalism, It is quite time to own being peace-revolutionaries; it is quite time to own being radicals of direct-action in mediation of meditation as Maharishi's TM revolutionary peace-activists. -Buck in the Dome Deploying Radical Peace, Maharishi 1967: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3qOxNjNms0list=PL6468F67BE38B5F92 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3qOxNjNms0list=PL6468F67BE38B5F92 Look this ain't just some theory or theology of peace. This is practical science that should be public policy everywhere today. This is peace-activism as direct-action; disciplined practicum as mediation and practical in the world. Deeply spiritual and scientific at the same time. Only ignorant science-haters can deny the facts of peace-making now. It is time to
[FairfieldLife] RE: Radical Transcendentalism, Maharishi Waging Peace World Wide
Paper 98 Introduction In 1960 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, founder of the Transcendental Meditation program, predicted that a transition in society toward a more orderly and harmonious functioning would occur when a small fraction -on the order of one percent- of a population practiced the Transcendental Meditation technique (6), and in December 1974 we found that crime rate did decrease in four midwestern U.S. Cities in which one percent of the population was practicing the TM technique. Scientific Research on the Transcendental Meditation Program Collected Papers, Volume I, 1977 Editors, Orme-Johnson Farrow pp 727 In the East China Sea, in very practical terms I should really quite like to see a well formed coalition made of the United Nations Peace-keepers immediately handling the logistics of a landing of teams of AFSC Quakers as experienced mediators of conflict and meditators from the Global Country of World Peace in field effect as a joint peace-making task-force. In coalition of peace-keeping make a landing now on some island rock between them countries all for a residence of coherence mediation meditation. It is high time to attack the incoherence there directly with a much more aggressive mediation of transcending meditation. -Buck Revolution now! It is high time we claim our revolutionary heritage back from the Movement's suits. As meditators we need to take our cause with peace directly to the barricades again; the need be here in this world today that we deploy now and lay siege with meditation even to the Great Walls of China in that troubled incoherent part of the world. It is time for great spiritual and scientific revolutionary action of mediation meditation everywhere. If they won't let us in to Red China to meditate a mediation with peace there then, occupy their Great Wall. Garrison their block houses with meditation. !Occupy Now! Revolution: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH9zG28GQEg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH9zG28GQEg Police in China's restive Xinjiang region have shot dead eight people during a violent clash on Monday http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-25546531 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-25546531 The East China Sea is an ideal location to wage peace from now. It is time to occupy the whole region with peace. Surround the place with meditation. We need mediators, meditators, and peace-keepers there now. Quakers as mediators, mediators from the Global Country of World Peace, and the United Nations Peace-keepers for logistics. What are the TM Rajas doing about peace there? -Buck Japan's Prime Minister, Shinzo Abe's visit to the Yasukuni shrine has angered many in China and South Korea http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-25524559 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-25524559 From quite early on Maharishi Mahesh Yogi employed the radical direct action of groups meditating deployed in field effect as like the Meissner Effect of consciousness mediation of meditation as then even in 1962 meditating a peaceful resolution to the Cuban Missile crisis of 1962. Maharishi called for group meditations at that time to avert the critical danger of incoherence the world was suffering in at that moment in time. In a move of scientific radical peace-activism Maharishi lead group meditations against the turmoil in the world then. To his transcendental mediation we look back at it now as The Cuban missile crisis of 1962. Radicalism 1962, Radical Peace and The 1962 Cuban missile crisis: As a 20th Century revolutionary in radical peaceful affect, a prominent millenarian of his age, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi was boundlessly persistent, constant and consistent in his coming out of India going around the world in peace activism of direct-action through introducing and inciting the mediation for peaceful resolution of world conflict by the effect of group meditation. Revolution: Maharishi's formula to change the world Waging Radical Peace, Maharishi 1983. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6lCNQ9DTOY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6lCNQ9DTOY Radical Transcendentalism, It is quite time to own being peace-revolutionaries; it is quite time to own being radicals of direct-action in mediation of meditation as Maharishi's TM revolutionary peace-activists. -Buck in the Dome Deploying Radical Peace, Maharishi 1967: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3qOxNjNms0list=PL6468F67BE38B5F92 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3qOxNjNms0list=PL6468F67BE38B5F92 Look this ain't just some theory or theology of peace. This is practical science that should be public policy everywhere today. This is peace-activism as direct-action; disciplined practicum as mediation and practical in the world. Deeply spiritual and scientific at the same time. Only ignorant science-haters can deny the facts of peace-making now. It is time to
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
turq, I admit to very much enjoying the semantics of it all. But that might be because Mercury and Jupiter are aspecting each other (-: Happy, Healthy, Prosperous 2014! On Wednesday, January 1, 2014 11:12 AM, TurquoiseB turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams wrote: Yes, he meant 40 days until the Ascension. So, it has finally been established that Mary Magdalene was the first to see the risen Christ along with James' mother. There may have been others who were with Mary at the empty tomb, but the risen Christ appeared to Mary first and then to James' mother. So, the two went to the apostles and told them they had seen the risen Christ. None of the Apostles were present to see the empty tomb for themselves. They were told about it by Mary, the first to see the miracle of the resurrection. I guess it's just what some people think of as fun, but personally I can find zero interest in any of this. To me it's like hearing a bunch of people debating a nitpicky plot point in The Lord Of The Rings, as if their opinion *mattered*, or as if the nitpick about a work of fiction *mattered*. The Bible is arguably *just* as fictional. It's as silly as people talking about similarly nitpicky plot points in the Bhagavad-Gita, *also* a work of fiction. It boggles my mind that people can debate it as if it weren't. I have to think that what's going on is dueling egos -- *My* opinion about this fictional story is RIGHT, and all others are WRONG. What a waste of life...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
On 1/1/2014 9:24 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: The points in dispute are, or were, his original claim that Mary M. was the first to see the Jesus rise up into the sky Obviously Judy wasn't there at the resurrection and so she doesn't know what Mary saw. All Judy knows is what she reads in the Bible and even that doesn't make much sense. Apparently Judy hasn't even read the Gospel According to Mary. Go figure. Richard said Mary Magdalene saw a spirit in the sky, just like Paul on the road to Damascus saw the risen Christ up in the sky. It makes sense when you think about it. Spirits can fly around all over the place. The risen Christ flew down toward Damascus to meet Paul on the road. According to what I've read, after the resurrection the risen Christ was seen above five hundred brethren all at once, floating in the .Where is Robin when we need him? The Conversion of Paul the Apostle, was, according to the New Testament, an event that took place in the life of Paul the Apostle which led him to cease persecuting early Christians and to become a follower of Jesus. It is normally dated by researchers to AD 33–36. As he neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him. He fell to the ground and heard a voice... - Acts 9:3–9 (NIV)
[FairfieldLife] RE: Holding back
You know what I think part of the problem might be, is that for me, it is just a chat room, and so I enjoy it on that basis. Now Judy doesn't like that term. For her it something more formal. Not really. It's a different format. And forums, as opposed to chat rooms, usually have archives. So inaccuracies, intentional or otherwise, are more or less engraved in stone unless they're corrected. Now, nobody likes, or abides lies. Okay, that's a given. Again, unfortunately, not really. Folks here have abided Barry's lies for years. But how in the hell, can someone find so many lies in what other people post, day after day, month after month, year after year It's really only a few people who do this, but they do it consistently over time. That can mount up to a large number of lies by frequent posters. Something wrong there I think. And do you think, that, just maybe, many or most of those lies may just be differences of opinion? With regard to what I characterize as lies, no, they aren't just differences of opinion. That's Barry's perennial charge, but it's a dishonest one. Talk about a week blanket! A what?? And I can't tell you how many times Judy has missed irony in other's postings! Steve is somehow never able to cite examples when he makes one of these charges. Bob, hate to the one to break the news to you, but that says something about a person's state of mind. If true, that is. I've just been reading through them, and I think he is a really funny guy. And another confession, I've had a few off forum discussions with Share, and I think she is a awesome lady. I agree on this last, although probably for different reasons than you.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
So, it has finally been established that Mary Magdalene was the first to see the risen Christ along with James' mother. As you know, it was never in question that this is what Matthew, Mark, and John report (although Mark and John do not include James's mother; it's only Mary M. who sees him). No finally established about it in this discussion.
[FairfieldLife] New Year Pickens for FFL Netflixers
Netflix added a lot of titles today. Some oldies but goodies and a few more recent selections including the final season of Dexter. There are lots of 1980s film if you want to take a virtual time machine back to the teased hair days. http://instantwatcher.com/titles/new/1 (There are 4 pages overall).
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
Yes, that is why I had to put it in pink. Excitement from Ricky deserves a little blush. This, as Richard knows, is with reference to his error about the Ascension taking place 40 years after the resurrection--i.e., nothing to do with what he goes on to say. what you should have put in red was that Luke wasn't at the resurrection Neither was anybody else. so he was told by Mary about it. Even if Luke didn't mention Mary by name the other apostles said it was Mary that first told them about the resurrection, nobody else is mentioned in the Gospels as telling the apostles about the risen Christ - only Mary. Non sequitur. Nobody was disputing this. She told them about the resurrection having witnessed it - nobody else witnessed the resurrection but Mary, according to the Gospels. She didn't witness the actual resurrection, just the risen Christ after the resurrection. Now we have finally got all our ducks in a row: almost everyone knows about Mary Magdalene being the first to tell the apostles about the risen Christ Again, non seqitur. Nobody ever disputed this. No finally about it. except Ann. Go figure. I don't think Ann disputes this either.
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi Patanjali Ashtanga Yoga
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqfs24_2SvY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqfs24_2SvY
[FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
I have to think that what's going on is dueling egos -- *My* opinion about this fictional story is RIGHT, and all others are WRONG. What a waste of life... FWIW, this isn't about opinion, but about fact: What does the Bible actually say? Since we know what the Bible says, It's a very stupid argument, no question about it. I've been pursuing it to demonstrate Richard's trolling and lying, and he's been performing brilliantly.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
But I'd be willing to bet quite a substantial sum of money that Share will still not acknowledge that Richard has been trolling and lying throughout the discussion. Right, Share? Sorta like you refuse to acknowledge your falsehoods about my September 2012 post. turq, I admit to very much enjoying the semantics of it all.
[FairfieldLife] Movie: Water, The Great Mystery Friday Jan. 3rd 7:30pm @ Dana's
From: Dana Brekke [mailto:danabre...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 2:49 PM To: A Brekke Subject: Movie: Water, The Great Mystery Friday Jan. 3rd 7:30pm @ Dana's Dear Ones, This film has been life-changing for me. Friday night I'm sharing it with a couple of friends who have expressed an interest. We can seat about a dozen people in the basement theatre. Call or e-mail to reserve your spot. Happy New Year! Dana http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBbLgyNDeJQ For those of you who can't join us, you can watch it online at: http://documentaryheaven.com/water-the-great-mystery/
[FairfieldLife] RE: MMY#39;s Adwaita
The Seraph sez: Yes, but the Christian theologians were indebted to the Neoplatonists, especially the divine Plotinus and Iamblichus. Emptybill sez: The doctrine of the Trinity was decided by decree not by philosophic analysis. The Platonists (nothing neo about them) set the stage for the Christian theologians. However, Platonism is based upon theoria (contemplation), an idea having profound impact on Western traditions. Plato described it as an ascent to the realm of the Real to unite the soul with the Intelligibles (eide) via the helmsman (kubernêtês) of the Phaedrus. Iamblicus (contra Porphyry) defined the path as occurring via theurgic noêsis, the act of a god knowing itself through the activity and medium of a soul. Iamblicus explained the helmsman as a witness (skt.sakshin) or spectator (theatê) of the supercelestial realm. The helmsman’s purpose is not to gaze upon an “other” but to unite with a god. When you add in Iamblicus’s idea that humans were so fallen they couldn’t return to the gods by theoria (thus needing theurgic erôs/philia to unite them) you have the seed-bed for the deformation of Platonism by the Christians. When Constantine instituted and favored Christianity, the stage was set for the rages of the monastic mobs against the “pagans/heathens” and their temples. The fact that influential theologians used Platonic themes to advance their cause is because Christianity (the religion of women and slaves) was bereft of any substantive content in itself. Platonism was the foundation of every form of intelligent understanding in the ancient world. It threaded the Western world until the 1960’s anarchists and their current psuchophantic slaves in academia usurped it. Nice that you even know about the Platonic tradition. I might recommend Paulina Remes’ excellent book Neoplatonism for a well-rounded and lucid presentation of the ideas and impact of “Neoplatonism”. For Iamblicus, no one is better than Gregory Shaw, whose book Theurgy and the Soul is a ground-breaking study of the theurgy of Iamblicus. He also has a great article demonstrating the direct influence of Proclus upon the theology of Dionysius the Areopagite. Gregory Shaw was invited to give the Thomas Taylor Lecture, “Platonic Tantra: the Theurgists of Late Antiquity,” at the Prometheus Trust Conference: Philosophy: restoring the soul in Wilshire, UK, June 2013.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Get Your Ducks in a Row
On 1/1/2014 10:46 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Except for Luke, of course. In Luke, the risen Jesus appears first to two of the disciples (men) on the road to Emmaus. Apparently Luke was a non-believer in Mary's message. Luke 24:9-11 says: When (the women) came back from the tomb, they told all these things to the Eleven and to all the others. It was Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James, and the others with them who told this to the apostles. But they did not believe the women, because their words seemed to them like nonsense. That three of the Gospels portray Mary Magdalene as the first to see Jesus post-death, is generally considered to be of significance.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
On 1/1/2014 11:12 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: I guess it's just what some people think of as fun, but personally I can find zero interest in any of this Now this is funny - a guy that claims to have read over 200 books on the Cathars isn't interested in the Cathar legend of Mary Magdalene. So much for our expert on the Cathars. Go figure. Lagudedoc was also home to the Knights Templers in Europe. It's interesting that Bernard of Clairvaux, the founder of the Templers Rule, was devoted to the Magdalene and to the Black Madonna. Bernard commended the knights to the 'obedience of Bethany', the castle of Mary and Martha. Bernard is also noted as the founder of the Blessed Virgin Mary at Notre Dame (Our Lady), i.e., Magdalene. The Templers oath was to 'God and Our Lady', not to the Virgin, but to the Magdalene. The Templers were preoccupied with the idea of the feminine mystery!
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Get Your Ducks in a Row
On 1/1/2014 11:14 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: think you're taking it all too seriously. No one else here is, except maybe Ricky. Apparently Judy has learned nothing from her years as a TMer Siddha. Everyone knows that the soul or the spirit can transcend the gross body and lift up and fly or hover above the ground. A Siddha can become light as cotton fiber, as light as a feather and float up into the air at will and wave arms and hands and do all sorts of things. That's just what siddhas do. Mary Magdalene was the first to see the risen Christ. All the four gospels agree on this: Matthew 28:1, Mark 16:1, Luke 24:10, and John 20:1. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Magdalene
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
On 1/1/2014 11:20 AM, Share Long wrote: I admit to very much enjoying the semantics of it all. According to Paul, after the resurrection the risen Christ was seen above five hundred brethren all at once, floating in the sky. The Conversion of Paul the Apostle, was, according to the New Testament, an event that took place in the life of Paul the Apostle which led him to cease persecuting early Christians and to become a follower of Jesus. It is normally dated by researchers to AD 33–36. As he neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him. He fell to the ground and heard a voice... - Acts 9:3–9 (NIV) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_of_Paul_the_Apostle
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
On 1/1/2014 11:34 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: As you know, it was never in question that this is what Matthew, Mark, and John report (although Mark and John do not include James's mother; it's only Mary M. who sees him). No finally established about it in this discussion. Let me rephrase what I previously posted: Mary Magdalene was the first person to see the risen Christ. So, it has been established, finally.
[FairfieldLife] 2 + 0 + 1 + 4 = 7
Anyone want to make a big deal about the new year given it's numerological value?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
On 1/1/2014 11:42 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: what you should have put in red was that Luke wasn't at the resurrection Neither was anybody else. In the Gospel of John, Mary Magdalene ...is recorded as the first witness of Jesus' resurrection (John 20:14–16); (Mark 16:9 later manuscripts). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Mary
Re: [FairfieldLife] 2 + 0 + 1 + 4 = 7
its a big deal that we are all alive and still breathing - that's about all the significance I give the numbers game On Wed, 1/1/14, Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] 2 + 0 + 1 + 4 = 7 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 1, 2014, 6:45 PM Anyone want to make a big deal about the new year given it's numerological value?
[FairfieldLife] RE: The Origin of MIU / MUM
MIU owes its knowledge, strength, and inspiration to the wisdom of Maharishi , the founder of the university. In 1958, Maharishi first introduced to the West Transcendental Meditation and the knowledge of the Science of Creative Intelligence, and this technique and knowledge were spread throughout the world by several organizations under the inspiration of Maharishi: Students International Meditation Society (SIMS), International Meditation Society (IMS), Spiritual Regeneration Movement (SRM), International Foundation for the Science of creative Intelligence (IFSCI). By 1972, more than two hundred thousand students in the United States had participated in this educational program and by 1973, more than 14,000 people were beginning SCI programs every month. The first credit-bearing course in the Science of Creative Intelligence was offered at Stanford University in 1970 and was attended by over three hundred fifty students. The response was so promising that similar credited courses have been offered at more than thirty American universities since that time including Yale, Harvard, and the University of California at Berkeley. The profound benefits of the knowledge and practice of the Science of Creative Intelligence as experienced by hundreds of thousands of individuals throughout the world and the validation of these benefits by physiological, psychological, and sociological research conducted at leading universities and research institutes have provided a vision of possibility for the fulfillment of education systems in all part of the world. Responsible individuals, organizations, and governments throughout the world continue to make great efforts to provide the best possible education for each new generation. But in spite of all sincerity and dedicated effort, two facts signal a basic lack of success universally experienced: first, suffering continues in society, and second, dissatisfaction among youth is a common phenomenon almost everywhere. Education everywhere deals with similar classes of knowledge -science, arts, humanities. As long as the same knowledge is taught, the same results must be expected. Innovation in teaching techniques alone will not resolve the universal problems of education. As Maharishi says, only a new seed will yield a new crop. Some new field of knowledge must be added to education to make it complete. MIU fulfills the need of education by providing a systematic study of intelligence and simultaneously promotes the growth of the knower along with the growth of knowledge. The study of intelligence integrated with the study of every discipline enriches and completes the range of every discipline, structures the home of all knowledge in the awareness of the student, and thus offers the solution to the pressing problems of modern education. Pages 26-7, founding Catalog of Maharishi International University, 1974
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
On 1/1/2014 11:46 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: this isn't about opinion, but about fact: What does the Bible actually say? The important question is what did Mary see and what did he say to the Apostles? The Bible doesn't say exactly what Mary said, but according to the Gospel of Mary what she saw was the spirit of Jesus in a vision, now the Christ, whose soul had risen from the dead. According to Mary: I saw the Lord in a vision and I said to him, ‘Lord, I saw you today in a vision.’ He answered and said to me: “Blessed are you, that you did not waver at the sight of me. For where the mind is, there is the treasure. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Mary
[FairfieldLife] RE: Radical Transcendentalism, Maharishi Waging Peace World Wide
Paper 98 Improved Quality of Life Through The Transcendental Meditation Program: Decreased Crime Rate Paper 98 Introduction In 1960 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, founder of the Transcendental Meditation program, predicted that a transition in society toward a more orderly and harmonious functioning would occur when a small fraction -on the order of one percent- of a population practiced the Transcendental Meditation technique (6), and in December 1974 we found that crime rate did decrease in four midwestern U.S. Cities in which one percent of the population was practicing the TM technique. Scientific Research on the Transcendental Meditation Program Collected Papers, Volume I, 1977 Editors, Orme-Johnson Farrow pp 727 In the East China Sea, in very practical terms I should really quite like to see a well formed coalition made of the United Nations Peace-keepers immediately handling the logistics of a landing of teams of AFSC Quakers as experienced mediators of conflict and meditators from the Global Country of World Peace in field effect as a joint peace-making task-force. In coalition of peace-keeping make a landing now on some island rock between them countries all for a residence of coherence mediation meditation. It is high time to attack the incoherence there directly with a much more aggressive mediation of transcending meditation. -Buck Revolution now! It is high time we claim our revolutionary heritage back from the Movement's suits. As meditators we need to take our cause with peace directly to the barricades again; the need be here in this world today that we deploy now and lay siege with meditation even to the Great Walls of China in that troubled incoherent part of the world. It is time for great spiritual and scientific revolutionary action of mediation meditation everywhere. If they won't let us in to Red China to meditate a mediation with peace there then, occupy their Great Wall. Garrison their block houses with meditation. !Occupy Now! Revolution: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH9zG28GQEg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH9zG28GQEg Police in China's restive Xinjiang region have shot dead eight people during a violent clash on Monday http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-25546531 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-25546531 The East China Sea is an ideal location to wage peace from now. It is time to occupy the whole region with peace. Surround the place with meditation. We need mediators, meditators, and peace-keepers there now. Quakers as mediators, mediators from the Global Country of World Peace, and the United Nations Peace-keepers for logistics. What are the TM Rajas doing about peace there? -Buck Japan's Prime Minister, Shinzo Abe's visit to the Yasukuni shrine has angered many in China and South Korea http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-25524559 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-25524559 From quite early on Maharishi Mahesh Yogi employed the radical direct action of groups meditating deployed in field effect as like the Meissner Effect of consciousness mediation of meditation as then even in 1962 meditating a peaceful resolution to the Cuban Missile crisis of 1962. Maharishi called for group meditations at that time to avert the critical danger of incoherence the world was suffering in at that moment in time. In a move of scientific radical peace-activism Maharishi lead group meditations against the turmoil in the world then. To his transcendental mediation we look back at it now as The Cuban missile crisis of 1962. Radicalism 1962, Radical Peace and The 1962 Cuban missile crisis: As a 20th Century revolutionary in radical peaceful affect, a prominent millenarian of his age, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi was boundlessly persistent, constant and consistent in his coming out of India going around the world in peace activism of direct-action through introducing and inciting the mediation for peaceful resolution of world conflict by the effect of group meditation. Revolution: Maharishi's formula to change the world Waging Radical Peace, Maharishi 1983. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6lCNQ9DTOY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6lCNQ9DTOY Radical Transcendentalism, It is quite time to own being peace-revolutionaries; it is quite time to own being radicals of direct-action in mediation of meditation as Maharishi's TM revolutionary peace-activists. -Buck in the Dome Deploying Radical Peace, Maharishi 1967: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3qOxNjNms0list=PL6468F67BE38B5F92 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3qOxNjNms0list=PL6468F67BE38B5F92 Look this ain't just some theory or theology of peace. This is practical science that should be public policy everywhere today. This is peace-activism as direct-action; disciplined practicum as mediation and practical in the world. Deeply spiritual and
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
On 1/1/2014 11:49 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: But I'd be willing to bet quite a substantial sum of money that Share will still not acknowledge that Richard has been trolling and lying throughout the discussion. How much would you be willing to wager? You being a non-believer, your wager won't mean much anyway. In my case, my ancestor, Roger Williams, established the Baptist church in America, at Plymouth Plantation. So I'd say i would be knowing more about Christianity than yourself. And, I come from a long family of Baptists - my uncle was a pastor and I spent years discussing the Bible with him. You on the other hand are the daughter of a liberal who probably never set a foot inside a Christian church. Go figure. According to what I've been told, in Christianity believers in the resurrection will themselves be resurrected from the dead and will rise up into spiritual bodies at the Last Judgement. In the fifteenth chapter of the First Epistle to the Corinthians (Corinthians: 15) is based on events that were told to Paul by way of the apostles when he was in Jerusalem, only two years after the resurrection. The first eleven verses are the earliest account of the Resurrection appearances of Jesus in the New Testament. For Christians who believe in the resurection are saved. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1_Corinthians_15
[FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
You declared your zero interest yet you read the post and thus your mind is now boggled. You called it a waste of life - thus admitting to wasting your life by reading it. Dueling Egos need to be occupied to maintain a sense of worth. Don't discourage them from frivolous pursuits. It keeps the kids entertained so the adults can talk.
Re: [FairfieldLife] 2 + 0 + 1 + 4 = 7
According to many economists this will be the year the banksters tell we all must pay their gambling debts. Tell them to fuck off. On 01/01/2014 10:51 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: its a big deal that we are all alive and still breathing - that's about all the significance I give the numbers game
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
As you know, it was never in question that this is what Matthew, Mark, and John report. No established, finally in this discussion. It was established a very long time ago. As you know, it was never in question that this is what Matthew, Mark, and John report (although Mark and John do not include James's mother; it's only Mary M. who sees him). No finally established about it in this discussion. Let me rephrase what I previously posted: Mary Magdalene was the first person to see the risen Christ. So, it has been established, finally.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
As you know, she was a witness to the risen Christ, not to the resurrection itself. Nobody saw that. what you should have put in red was that Luke wasn't at the resurrection Neither was anybody else. In the Gospel of John, Mary Magdalene ...is recorded as the first witness of Jesus' resurrection (John 20:14–16); (Mark 16:9 later manuscripts). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Mary http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Mary
[FairfieldLife] Ayahuasca and Psychedelics as Potential Catalysts for Personal and Planetary Evolution - Buddha at the Gas Pump
http://batgap.com/ayahuasca-psyschedelics/
Re: [FairfieldLife] 2 + 0 + 1 + 4 = 7
And all bets are off if there is another major earthquake at Fukushima: http://www.vice.com/read/these-nuclear-physicists-think-david-suzuki-is-exaggerating-about-fukushima On 01/01/2014 11:17 AM, Bhairitu wrote: According to many economists this will be the year the banksters tell we all must pay their gambling debts. Tell them to fuck off. On 01/01/2014 10:51 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: its a big deal that we are all alive and still breathing - that's about all the significance I give the numbers game
[FairfieldLife] All About the Fighting Ascetics of India
*An attack by some naked Naga sadhus in Haridwar!* The last Kumbh festival of this century is over, but not the war between the Shankaracharyas of Jyotipeeth here. There are three of them claiming that seat, established by Adi Shankaracharya who, in the eighth century, walked all the way from his village Kalari, in Kerala, to the Himalayas to meditate under a mulberry tree here to obtain enlightenment, bring to an end through discourse the influence and control of Buddhism on the life of the Indian people and revive Hinduism. According to what I've read, India is just teeming with fighting ascetics. Go figure. During the Kumbh of 2002, on the big bathing day of March 28, Shankaracharya Swami Madhavashram was badly injured in an attack by some naked Naga sadhus in Haridwar. One of his followers reported the attack to the police and complained that it was provoked by a rival Shankaracharya, Swami Vasudevanand. A few days later Swami Vasudevanand applied for and obtained an anticipatory bail from the Allahabad High Court until the next month. Swami Madhavashram, whose body is in plaster and bandages, told Press persons that he had been receiving threatening phone calls from followers of the other two claimants to the seat. The callers had threatened to kill him soon, he added. Meanwhile, the people of Joshimath, where the high religious seat is located, have decided that the issue must not been resolved through attacks, but by a contest in religious discourse between them before men of highest religious learning, who would then pronounce their verdict. The one who is finally adjudged to be possessing greater knowledge would then be made the Shankaracharya of Jyotispeeth. In Varanasi (Kashi), the city of religious learning, the Vidwat Parishad, or the Council of the Enlightened, met some days ago and, according to its spokesperson Shivji Upadhyaya, passed a resolution condemning the attack on Swami Madhavashram, whom it called the Jyotipeeth Shankaracharya. He said the Council did not accept the claim of Swami Swaroopanand who had declared himself as the Shankaracharya of both Jyotipeeth and Dwarkapeeth. According to the instructions left by the first Shankaracharya contained in documented Shankar-Digvijaya, one person cannot be the Shankaracharya of two peeths (seats). In that order, a religious leader who has traveled abroad and taken un-sanctified food there, can also not occupy any Shankaracharya seat. Swami Vasudevanand has travelled to China, Russia and several African and European countries. In a separate statement, president of the Parishad, Ram Prasad Tripathi called for the immediate arrest of those involved in the attack on Swami Madhavashram. The conflict over the Jyotipeeth is almost 25-year-old. But physical fights between the followers of the Shankaracharyas had stopped some five years ago until the Haridwar attack. The Jyotipeeth seat had remained vacant for 165 years, until late 1940s, because of the difficulty for a Shankaracharya to walk all the way up to Joshimath. Then, with the help of the Parishad, Swami Brahmanand, a revered North Indian sadhu was consecrated as the Shankaracharya of Jyotispeeth. He passed away in 1953, after which a struggle broke out for the seat. His disciple Swami Shantanand claimed that his predecessor had left a written will nominating him, and subsequently his followers declared him the Shankaracharya at a ceremony in Varanasi on June 8, 1953. But two other sadhus, also mentioned in the will, refused to accept him. So, on June 26, 1953, Swami Krishna Bodhashram was anointed as the Shankaracharya of Jyotipeeth by learned men in Varanasi. He did not survive long, and in 1972, Swami Swaroopanand succeeded him. Meanwhile, Swami Shantanand had gone and taken over the property donated by the people of Joshimath to the Shankaracharya. Swami Swaroopanand, on being consecrated, proceeded to Joshimath and with his lathi-wielding followers tried to take over the property, which included a large building called Math and a fruit garden around it. Fights broke out with guns and lathis, in which Swami Shantanand and his men won and he remained in control. Swami Swaroopanand bought some land a little below the original seat area and built a larger Math of his own on it. In early 1980s Swami Swaroopanand became the Shankaracharya of the Dwarakapeeth also. Soon afterwards, the Parishad and others asked him to choose to remain the Shankaracharya of only one of the peeths and give up the other. He did not do so, and in 1993, the Council of Learned Men in Varanasi made Swami Madhavashram the Shankaracharya of Jyotipeeth. In the 1,200 year history of the Shankaracharya order, he is the first person from the hills to be placed on that seat. As a result, there is great sympathy and support for him in the region. Swami Shantanand, meanwhile, abdicated and placed his disciple Swami Vishnudevanand on the seat. He lasted only a few years and willed that Swami Vasudevanand be his
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Get Your Ducks in a Row
Mary Magdalene was the first to see the risen Christ. All the four gospels agree on this: Matthew 28:1, Mark 16:1, Luke 24:10, and John 20:1. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Magdalene http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Magdalene Sorry, but that isn't a quote from that Wikipedia page, as you know. And all four Gospels, as you know, do NOT agree that Mary M. was first to see the risen Christ, just Matthew, Mark, and John.
[FairfieldLife] RE: The Gospel Of Jesus#39; Wife
Most recently, Dan Brown's novel The Da Vinci Code depicted Jesus as being married to Mary Magdalene. It's interesting that Bernard of Clairvaux, the founder of the Templers Rule, was devoted to the Magdalene and to the Black Madonna. Bernard commended the knights to the 'Obedience of Bethany', the castle of Mary and Martha. Bernard is also noted as the founder of the Blessed Virgin Mary at Notre Dame (Our Lady) -, Magdalene. The Templers oath was to 'God and Our Lady', not to the Virgin, but to the Magdalene. The Templers were preoccupied with the idea of the feminine mystery! According to Wasserman, twelfth-century enemies of the Cathars believed their rites included ritually kissing the anus of a cat, in which form Lucifer was said to appear. Toward the end of the twelfth-century, the Cathars were also slandered by the term bougre, from Bulgaria, known to be the source of their heresy. Later the word came to mean sodomite and is the root of the British slang bugger and buggery. Work cited: The Templars and the Assassins by James Wasserman Inner Traditions, 2001 p. 193
[FairfieldLife] RE: Maharishi Patanjali Ashtanga Yoga
Thank you! He explains it all beautifully, and succinctly. Happy New Year!!
Re: [FairfieldLife] 2 + 0 + 1 + 4 = 7
Edg, according to Vedic Numerology, the number 7 is associated with Ketu, the Dragon's Tail. Ketu has to do with detachment and liberation. Ketu is currently transiting the first sign of the zodiac, Aries, which is ruled by Mars in both jyotish and Western. Aries has to do with the self. Perhaps the presence of Ketu there indicates liberation of the self. On Wednesday, January 1, 2014 12:45 PM, Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Anyone want to make a big deal about the new year given it's numerological value?
[FairfieldLife] RE: Maharishi Patanjali Ashtanga Yoga
And a Happy New Year to you too Dr. D !
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
Having read the gospel excerpts, I even wonder if Mary M was the first to see the risen Christ. Maybe the angel at His tomb was the first to see Him. Anyway, I think you are right that risen in terms of the resurrection does not mean hovering. And I think Richard is right in that Mary M was the first human to see the risen Christ. On Wednesday, January 1, 2014 1:20 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: As you know, she was a witness to the risen Christ, not to the resurrection itself. Nobody saw that. what you should have put in red was that Luke wasn't at the resurrection Neither was anybody else. In the Gospel of John, Mary Magdalene ...is recorded as the first witness of Jesus' resurrection (John 20:14–16); (Mark 16:9 later manuscripts). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Mary
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Scientific Breakthroughs of 2013
LOL, Seraphita! How those K people ever got famous is something I will never understand as long as I live! On Tuesday, December 31, 2013 9:51 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote: Another possibility is that aliens have picked up our transmissions of Keeping Up with the Kardashians and are avoiding us like we avoid vacationing in Detroit or Newark.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
Yes, maybe the angels watched, but we were really talking about human beings. And I've never disputed that Mary Magdalene was the first human to see the risen Christ according to Matthew, Mark, and John--but not Luke. So Richard was wrong about Luke (until he changed see to realize and pretended that's what he'd been saying all along). And again, there was never a disagreement about Mary M. having been first to see the risen Christ according to the other three Gospels, so Richard wasn't right about that if you're implying that means I was wrong. I guess it's too much to expect that you would acknowledge that this whole fuss has been a matter of Richard's trolling and lying. But thanks at least for confirming that the risen Christ hovering was something Richard made up. Having read the gospel excerpts, I even wonder if Mary M was the first to see the risen Christ. Maybe the angel at His tomb was the first to see Him. Anyway, I think you are right that risen in terms of the resurrection does not mean hovering. And I think Richard is right in that Mary M was the first human to see the risen Christ. On Wednesday, January 1, 2014 1:20 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: As you know, she was a witness to the risen Christ, not to the resurrection itself. Nobody saw that. what you should have put in red was that Luke wasn't at the resurrection Neither was anybody else. In the Gospel of John, Mary Magdalene ...is recorded as the first witness of Jesus' resurrection (John 20:14–16); (Mark 16:9 later manuscripts). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Mary http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Mary
[FairfieldLife] RE: MMY#39;s Adwaita
Re When you add in Iamblicus’s idea that humans were so fallen they couldn’t return to the gods by theoria (thus needing theurgic erôs/philia: Presumably that was based on his own experience and observation of his fellow Platonists' struggles. Not so different to Indian ideas about the kali yuga and so us needing some kick-arse tantric techniques to liven us up. Re theologians used Platonic themes to advance their cause because Christianity was bereft of any substantive content in itself.: Because Christianity isn't a philosophy its a Way. They used contemporary Platonic categories in the same way a modern theologian would use scientific terms. Re Nice that you even know about the Platonic tradition.: Yes, it was coming across excerpts in anthologies of Stephen MacKenna's acclaimed translation of the Enneads that intrigued me. (Ie, it was a *literary* thing.) The later Neos like Proclus and Iamblichus are unreadable except by professors in ivory towers. Have you read Plotinus or the Simplicity of Vision by Pierre Hadot? Aimed at the layman and grounded in spiritual experience (not getting tied up in conceptual knots).
[FairfieldLife] Wovon man nicht sprechen kann...
...darueber muss man schweigen? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57PWqFowq-4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57PWqFowq-4
[FairfieldLife] RE: New Year Pickens for FFL Netflixers
FWIW, at the same time they deleted 85 films. List here: http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/happy-streamageddon-eve-why-85-movies-will-vanish-from-netflix-at-midnight http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/happy-streamageddon-eve-why-85-movies-will-vanish-from-netflix-at-midnight Netflix added a lot of titles today. Some oldies but goodies and a few more recent selections including the final season of Dexter. There are lots of 1980s film if you want to take a virtual time machine back to the teased hair days. http://instantwatcher.com/titles/new/1 http://instantwatcher.com/titles/new/1 (There are 4 pages overall).
[FairfieldLife] RE: The Gospel Of Jesus#39; Wife
Re rites included ritually kissing the anus of a cat: I hope novices were told in advance what to expect when they joined rather than finding out having spent decades working their way up the hierarchy.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: New Year Pickens for FFL Netflixers
They're always doing that. Content Management 101: some Netflix titles are products of a contract with major studios which are set to expire at a certain date. If the studio execs feel the deal was worthwhile they will renew. And sometimes expiring titles show up again the next week after Judy, the office intern, gets yelled at by the boss for not reinstating the title on Netflix. :-D On 01/01/2014 12:48 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: FWIW, at the same time they deleted 85 films. List here: http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/happy-streamageddon-eve-why-85-movies-will-vanish-from-netflix-at-midnight Netflix added a lot of titles today. Some oldies but goodies and a few more recent selections including the final season of Dexter. There are lots of 1980s film if you want to take a virtual time machine back to the teased hair days. http://instantwatcher.com/titles/new/1 (There are 4 pages overall).
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
I find it interesting that religious writings are considered history because they contain historical references. But they were written for an entirely different purpose. As a case in point there are four known earliest more or less complete manuscripts of the Christian Bible. Codex Sinaiticus, Codex Vaticanus, both mid 4th century; Codex Alexandrinus (late 4th century, and Codex Ephraemi Rescriptus (early 5th century). The ending of Mark 16:9-20 does not exist in the two earliest manuscripts, and early Church fathers do not mention them. Mark 16:9-20 does appear in the two later codicies. But there are three different versions of thisadded ending in other manuscripts. One is shorter than the now accepted ending, one is the currently accepted ending, and one is a more extended version of the currently accepted ending. Note that not only does Mark in its earliest known version not have the resurrection, it also does not have Jesus' miraculous birth either. So Mark ends like this: 'Trembling and bewildered, the women went out and fled from the tomb. They said nothing to anyone, because they were afraid.' The short version added in later on is: 'Then they quickly reported all these instructions to those around Peter. After this, Jesus himself also sent out through them from east to west the sacred and imperishable proclamation of eternal salvation. Amen.' This kind of textual corruption also is found in, for example, the Lord's Prayer where 'For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever and ever. Amen.' which does not appear in any of these early manuscripts shows up a couple of centuries later. There is also the synoptic problem. Historians and Biblical scholars seem mostly in agreement that Mark is the earliest of the Gospels (though some of the letters of Paul are earlier). That sections of Mark are copied verbatim or almost verbatim in Matthew and Luke means these are not independent accounts. There is also another source for Matthew and Luke called 'Q' which contains the sayings of Jesus, and Papyrus Oxyrhynchus 1 (early half of the 3rd century) and the Gospel of Thomas also contain sayings of Jesus. The date of the Gospel of Thomas is in dispute, one group of scholars argue for somewhere between 50 and 100 CE and others for some time in the 2nd century. These writings are more Gnostic in inclination, but also seem to have an slant that is more in line with what Maharishi teaches. If you look at the way the TM movement revises and changes texts today, you can imagine that in that period of early Christianity, about which most information is really lost, how different segments of the growing community of Christians would copy, preserve and sometimes enhance what came before them. There are glaring contradictions between different versions of the tale, which indicates we do not have the original story. Religions tend to be based on faith (which is pretending to know things that one does not actually know, in other words, belief without any factual evidence) and have a message that spreads those empirically deficient thoughts to others. It is even possible that Jesus never existed as an historical person, though a very definite personality seems to come through the fog of history. There are no contemporary references to him, except for a short passage in the history of Flavius Josephus which is universally regarded as an interpolation by scholars (and even the Catholic Church) due to its being unconnected to the material that surrounds it, and in a different style. There is no evidence of just about everyone who lived in the first century Some of the letters of Paul (about half of them), considered the earliest Christian writings, interestingly speaks of Jesus, of Christ, as a spiritual force rather than as a person, that is, as something that could be experienced rather than merely believed, but this is looking at his writings from a more gnostic point of view, the gnostic viewpoint being the main competition to what now survives as Christianity. The other half of the letters of Paul are in dispute that he was the author. The authors of the Gospels are also unknown, but attributions of course are now tightly affixed to each one.
[FairfieldLife] RE: For Turq: New movie by Lars von Trier -
Having watched Lars von Trier's Antichrist and found it utterly repellent and pointless I'll pass on this new one. I've seen only one of his other films: Europa (1991). Set in post-war Germany it had a rather dodgy Nazi chic element to it so the Cannes controversy decades later when he expressed sympathy for the Austrian (a gaffe) was revealing.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
Does anyone involved in this current discussion consider the Bible to be history? I find it interesting that religious writings are considered history because they contain historical references. But they were written for an entirely different purpose. As a case in point there are four known earliest more or less complete manuscripts of the Christian Bible. Codex Sinaiticus, Codex Vaticanus, both mid 4th century; Codex Alexandrinus (late 4th century, and Codex Ephraemi Rescriptus (early 5th century). The ending of Mark 16:9-20 does not exist in the two earliest manuscripts, and early Church fathers do not mention them. Mark 16:9-20 does appear in the two later codicies. But there are three different versions of thisadded ending in other manuscripts. One is shorter than the now accepted ending, one is the currently accepted ending, and one is a more extended version of the currently accepted ending. Note that not only does Mark in its earliest known version not have the resurrection, it also does not have Jesus' miraculous birth either. So Mark ends like this: 'Trembling and bewildered, the women went out and fled from the tomb. They said nothing to anyone, because they were afraid.' The short version added in later on is: 'Then they quickly reported all these instructions to those around Peter. After this, Jesus himself also sent out through them from east to west the sacred and imperishable proclamation of eternal salvation. Amen.' This kind of textual corruption also is found in, for example, the Lord's Prayer where 'For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever and ever. Amen.' which does not appear in any of these early manuscripts shows up a couple of centuries later. There is also the synoptic problem. Historians and Biblical scholars seem mostly in agreement that Mark is the earliest of the Gospels (though some of the letters of Paul are earlier). That sections of Mark are copied verbatim or almost verbatim in Matthew and Luke means these are not independent accounts. There is also another source for Matthew and Luke called 'Q' which contains the sayings of Jesus, and Papyrus Oxyrhynchus 1 (early half of the 3rd century) and the Gospel of Thomas also contain sayings of Jesus. The date of the Gospel of Thomas is in dispute, one group of scholars argue for somewhere between 50 and 100 CE and others for some time in the 2nd century. These writings are more Gnostic in inclination, but also seem to have an slant that is more in line with what Maharishi teaches. If you look at the way the TM movement revises and changes texts today, you can imagine that in that period of early Christianity, about which most information is really lost, how different segments of the growing community of Christians would copy, preserve and sometimes enhance what came before them. There are glaring contradictions between different versions of the tale, which indicates we do not have the original story. Religions tend to be based on faith (which is pretending to know things that one does not actually know, in other words, belief without any factual evidence) and have a message that spreads those empirically deficient thoughts to others. It is even possible that Jesus never existed as an historical person, though a very definite personality seems to come through the fog of history. There are no contemporary references to him, except for a short passage in the history of Flavius Josephus which is universally regarded as an interpolation by scholars (and even the Catholic Church) due to its being unconnected to the material that surrounds it, and in a different style. There is no evidence of just about everyone who lived in the first century Some of the letters of Paul (about half of them), considered the earliest Christian writings, interestingly speaks of Jesus, of Christ, as a spiritual force rather than as a person, that is, as something that could be experienced rather than merely believed, but this is looking at his writings from a more gnostic point of view, the gnostic viewpoint being the main competition to what now survives as Christianity. The other half of the letters of Paul are in dispute that he was the author. The authors of the Gospels are also unknown, but attributions of course are now tightly affixed to each one.
[FairfieldLife] RE: The Gospel Of Jesus#39; Wife
Nobody really knows very little about the Cathars, since they were stamped out by the French Christians in the year 1244. However, the Cathars were not Manichaean, in the sense of an unbroken tradition going back to the 3rd century Persian Mani. While they shared the notion of dualism, and asceticism, the Cathars had no united ideology. Apparently, the first record of the Cathars is from Germany in the mid-twelth century, where they are described as related to the Bogomils, but in fact, the Cathars may have been moderate dualists, in that, they ultimately believed that God was stronger than Satan.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Get Your Ducks in a Row
Re Paul: 1 Corinthians 15:3-5 (NIV) For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Cephas, and then to the Twelve. raised on the third day only makes sense in reference to a physical event doesn't it?
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Judy I did NOT confirm that the hovering was something Richard made up! For all I know, he really thought that. Or maybe he just misspoke. I don't think he lied or trolled. All in all, I definitely think that this exchange has been the creation of several people, not just Richard. On Wednesday, January 1, 2014 2:40 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes, maybe the angels watched, but we were really talking about human beings. And I've never disputed that Mary Magdalene was the first human to see the risen Christ according to Matthew, Mark, and John--but not Luke. So Richard was wrong about Luke (until he changed see to realize and pretended that's what he'd been saying all along). And again, there was never a disagreement about Mary M. having been first to see the risen Christ according to the other three Gospels, so Richard wasn't right about that if you're implying that means I was wrong. I guess it's too much to expect that you would acknowledge that this whole fuss has been a matter of Richard's trolling and lying. But thanks at least for confirming that the risen Christ hovering was something Richard made up. Having read the gospel excerpts, I even wonder if Mary M was the first to see the risen Christ. Maybe the angel at His tomb was the first to see Him. Anyway, I think you are right that risen in terms of the resurrection does not mean hovering. And I think Richard is right in that Mary M was the first human to see the risen Christ. On Wednesday, January 1, 2014 1:20 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: As you know, she was a witness to the risen Christ, not to the resurrection itself. Nobody saw that. what you should have put in red was that Luke wasn't at the resurrection Neither was anybody else. In the Gospel of John, Mary Magdalene ...is recorded as the first witness of Jesus' resurrection (John 20:14–16); (Mark 16:9 later manuscripts). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Mary
[FairfieldLife] RE: Wovon man nicht sprechen kann...
M.A.N meets Schubert... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDvOFxBI_E8
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
On 1/1/2014 1:19 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: It was established a very long time ago. So, Mary Magdalene was the first person to see the risen Christ after the resurrection. And, I think Jesus rose from the dead and flew into the air so Mary could see him first. Later, Jesus as the risen Christ flew up to Galillee to meet the apostles; and then after that he flew down to the road to Damascus. Then forty days later the risen Christ ascended into heaven. Spirits can fly anywhere they want to any time. That's what I think.
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Richard, I always thought that Jesus rose from the dead body and spirit. I mean, wasn't the tomb empty?! On Wednesday, January 1, 2014 4:19 PM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: On 1/1/2014 1:19 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: It was established a very long time ago. So, Mary Magdalene was the first person to see the risen Christ after the resurrection. And, I think Jesus rose from the dead and flew into the air so Mary could see him first. Later, Jesus as the risen Christ flew up to Galillee to meet the apostles; and then after that he flew down to the road to Damascus. Then forty days later the risen Christ ascended into heaven. Spirits can fly anywhere they want to any time. That's what I think.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
Judy I did NOT confirm that the hovering was something Richard made up! For all I know, he really thought that. Or maybe he just misspoke. I don't think he lied or trolled. No surprise, Share. You simply aren't big enough or brave enough to admit your pal has been dishonest, despite all the evidence. All in all, I definitely think that this exchange has been the creation of several people, not just Richard. You mean, there was more than one person leaving all those posts!? Really!? On Wednesday, January 1, 2014 2:40 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Yes, maybe the angels watched, but we were really talking about human beings. And I've never disputed that Mary Magdalene was the first human to see the risen Christ according to Matthew, Mark, and John--but not Luke. So Richard was wrong about Luke (until he changed see to realize and pretended that's what he'd been saying all along). And again, there was never a disagreement about Mary M. having been first to see the risen Christ according to the other three Gospels, so Richard wasn't right about that if you're implying that means I was wrong. I guess it's too much to expect that you would acknowledge that this whole fuss has been a matter of Richard's trolling and lying. But thanks at least for confirming that the risen Christ hovering was something Richard made up. Having read the gospel excerpts, I even wonder if Mary M was the first to see the risen Christ. Maybe the angel at His tomb was the first to see Him. Anyway, I think you are right that risen in terms of the resurrection does not mean hovering. And I think Richard is right in that Mary M was the first human to see the risen Christ. On Wednesday, January 1, 2014 1:20 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: As you know, she was a witness to the risen Christ, not to the resurrection itself. Nobody saw that. what you should have put in red was that Luke wasn't at the resurrection Neither was anybody else. In the Gospel of John, Mary Magdalene ...is recorded as the first witness of Jesus' resurrection (John 20:14–16); (Mark 16:9 later manuscripts). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Mary http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Mary
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Next time you're talking about what the Bible says, Richard, when you add something you made up out of your own head that isn't in the Bible at all, it would be good if you'd say so. Actually, the descriptions in the Gospel accounts don't say anything about the risen Christ being up in the air when human beings saw him. In John, for example, he's standing in the garden next to the tomb, where Mary sees him and mistakes him for the gardener. She probably wouldn't have made that mistake if he'd been up in the air. It was established a very long time ago. So, Mary Magdalene was the first person to see the risen Christ after the resurrection. And, I think Jesus rose from the dead and flew into the air so Mary could see him first. Later, Jesus as the risen Christ flew up to Galillee to meet the apostles; and then after that he flew down to the road to Damascus. Then forty days later the risen Christ ascended into heaven. Spirits can fly anywhere they want to any time. That's what I think.
[FairfieldLife] Master of his virtual domain!
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/22/technology/master-of-his-virtual-domain.html?_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/22/technology/master-of-his-virtual-domain.html?_r=0
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
On 1/1/2014 1:20 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: As you know, she was a witness to the risen Christ, not to the resurrection itself. Nobody saw that. Mary Magdalene was at the Jesus' crucifixion, a witness to his ministry, and she was at the resurrection. She saw them all with her own eyes. Then she told the others. She was the first to see it - the resurrection. First. That's what I think. Mary heard the risen Jesus call out her name and she knew it was the Christ. After telling her what to do, he flew up into the sky and went to meet the apostles. How do you think he got to Galilee - on a bullock cart? For Christians, the belief that Jesus miraculously returned to life after the crucifixion is the central tenet of the faith - the Nicene Creed. Work cited: 'The Nicene Creed' First Council of Constantinople, 381 AD New Short History of the Catholic Church by Norman Tanner Burns Oates, 2011 p. 33
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Nobody is said in the Bible to have seen the actual resurrection, as you know. As you know, she was a witness to the risen Christ, not to the resurrection itself. Nobody saw that. Mary Magdalene was at the Jesus' crucifixion, a witness to his ministry, and she was at the resurrection. She saw them all with her own eyes. Then she told the others. She was the first to see it - the resurrection. First. That's what I think. Mary heard the risen Jesus call out her name and she knew it was the Christ. After telling her what to do, he flew up into the sky and went to meet the apostles. How do you think he got to Galilee - on a bullock cart? For Christians, the belief that Jesus miraculously returned to life after the crucifixion is the central tenet of the faith - the Nicene Creed. Work cited: 'The Nicene Creed' First Council of Constantinople, 381 AD New Short History of the Catholic Church by Norman Tanner Burns Oates, 2011 p. 33
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On 1/1/2014 1:51 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Sorry, but that isn't a quote from that Wikipedia page, as you know She stayed with him at the cross after the male disciples (except John the Beloved) had fled. She was at his burial, and she is the only person that all four Gospels say was first to realize that Jesus had risen and to testify to that central teaching of faith. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Magdalene
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Steve, this post from Share is an example of why I think she's awesome. Who else do you know who would ask Wasn't the tomb empty?! unless they had almost no acquaintance with Christianity and had never read the Bible? Richard, I always thought that Jesus rose from the dead body and spirit. I mean, wasn't the tomb empty?! On Wednesday, January 1, 2014 4:19 PM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote: On 1/1/2014 1:19 PM, authfriend@... wrote: It was established a very long time ago. So, Mary Magdalene was the first person to see the risen Christ after the resurrection. And, I think Jesus rose from the dead and flew into the air so Mary could see him first. Later, Jesus as the risen Christ flew up to Galillee to meet the apostles; and then after that he flew down to the road to Damascus. Then forty days later the risen Christ ascended into heaven. Spirits can fly anywhere they want to any time. That's what I think.
[FairfieldLife] Overused superlatives on FFL
Gotta admit that most of the denizens here are above used the most despised superlative: awesome. I do see fascinating used occasionally but wonder if interesting might have sufficed? Was it really that fascinating? Doesn't that say something about the consciousness being overwhelmed which shouldn't happen to the denizens here. What are your candidates?
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On 1/1/2014 2:28 PM, Share Long wrote: Having read the gospel excerpts, I even wonder if Mary M was the first to see the risen Christ. She stayed with him at the cross after the male disciples (except John the Beloved) had fled. She was at his burial, and she is the only person that all four Gospels say was first to realize that Jesus had risen and to testify to that central teaching of faith. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Magdalene Anyway, I think you are right that risen in terms of the resurrection does not mean hovering. Jesus, after the resurrection, hovered in the air and then he flew off to meet the apostles in Galilee. The first stage of flying is to hover, then fly. That way, if you are the Christ spirit you don't have to walk with the crowd and bow and scrape. It's a long walk up to Galilee. If you were to rise from the dead as the Christ, would you walk a mile just to meet a bunch of guys that deserted you in your hour of need?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
On 1/1/2014 2:40 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: So Richard was wrong about Luke (until he changed see to realize and pretended that's what he'd been saying all along). She was at his burial, and she is the only person that all four Gospels say was first to realize that Jesus had risen and to testify to that central teaching of faith. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Magdalene
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On 1/1/2014 3:23 PM, anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: Historians and Biblical scholars seem mostly in agreement that Mark is the earliest of the Gospels (though some of the letters of Paul are earlier). According to Paul, in Acts 9:3–9, after the resurrection the risen Christ was seen above five hundred brethren all at once, floating in the sky. As he neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him. He fell to the ground and heard a voice... The Conversion of Paul the Apostle, was, according to the New Testament, an event that took place in the life of Paul the Apostle which led him to cease persecuting early Christians and to become a follower of Jesus. It is normally dated by researchers to AD 33–36. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_of_Paul_the_Apostle
[FairfieldLife] RE: Get Your Ducks in a Row
And Judy, this might be a perfect example of what I mean by you missing nuance, and choosing to interpret something in the worst possible way. Share's comment sounds like a rhetorical statement, as in of course the tomb was empty, or maybe, like, Richard, you know the tomb was empty, right? That is how I would interpret that comment. See, we all have ways of communicating, don't we?
[FairfieldLife] RE: Overused superlatives on FFL
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote: Gotta admit that most of the denizens here are above used the most despised superlative: awesome. I do see fascinating used occasionally but wonder if interesting might have sufficed? Was it really that fascinating? Doesn't that say something about the consciousness being overwhelmed which shouldn't happen to the denizens here. What are your candidates? Awesome needs to be taken out of the English language along with like when used in the context of And then she was like and then I was like and then he was like...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
On 1/1/2014 3:35 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Does anyone involved in this current discussion consider the Bible to be history? You mean history as opposed to your opinion? Apparently Judy has been doing most of the Bible referencing in this thread. As far as I can tell, Judy cites no historians to back up any of her claims. Go figure. The Gospel of Mary was written sometime during the time of Christ. Scholars do not always agree which of the Marys in the New Testament is the central character of the Gospel of Mary. Arguments in favor of Mary Magdalene are based on her status as a known follower of Jesus, the tradition of being the first witness of his resurrection, and her appearance in other early Christian writings. She is mentioned as accompanying Jesus on his journeys (Luke 8:2) and is listed in the Gospel of Matthew as being present at his crucifixion (Matthew 27:56). In the Gospel of John, she is recorded as the first witness of Jesus' resurrection (John 20:14–16); (Mark 16:9 later manuscripts). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Mary
[FairfieldLife] RE: Get Your Ducks in a Row
Somehow, not all my comment made it. I had added, that some of us communicate in a more gentle way, and others in a more direct, even harsh manner. It may depend on which part of our personality is more developed. Not necessarily making a judgment here, just saying that by giving people a leeway in how we interpret their comments, might make for a more friendly dialog.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Get Your Ducks in a Row
On 1/1/2014 4:10 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote: raised on the third day only makes sense in reference to a physical event doesn't it? Raised from the dead means raised to a spirit - a spiritual resurrection. But, many Christians believe that the body of Jesus was restored AND his soul was returned to life, in which case, Jesus would have risen from the dead and would have been hovering naked in front of Mary Magdalene, who was the first to realize that Jesus had risen. So, that's why he told her not to touch him, because it would be improper for a woman to touch a naked man in public. Then Jesus flew away into the sky, because he was naked, in order to get some clothing and to meet the apostles in Galilee. Spirits are able to fly any where they want to and are able to hover in mid-air as long as they want to.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
On 1/1/2014 4:15 PM, Share Long wrote: Judy I did NOT confirm that the hovering was something Richard made up! According to Paul, after the resurrection the risen Christ was seen above five hundred brethren all at once, floating in the sky. Spirits and angels can fly and hover, so it makes sense that the Christ could fly and hover. The first phase of flying is to hover. How do you think that Christ rose up to heaven - in a hot-air baloon? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_of_Paul_the_Apostle
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One account of some of the first people to see Christ after resurrection said that they were walking towards Galilee and someone joined them on their walk and it turned out to be Jesus. So, I guess He did do some walking. There's also teleportation! But to throw cold water on this whole discussion, it was John, Peter and James that first saw Jesus hover in the air over a mountain with Moses and Elijah at His side during the Transfiguration which was pre-crucifixion. One account in the Gospel of John says that when Mary M. first saw Jesus at the tomb, after resurrection, she didn't recognize him at first, thought he was a gardener, then Jesus spoke to her Mary! She turned to him and exclaimed Teacher! Don't cling to me. Jesus said. for I haven't yet ascended to the Father but go find my brothers and tell them... I guess she was on his level, the ground, not in the air because she was instructed not to cling to him. unless of course she was hovering as well when she first saw Him. From: Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2014 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row On 1/1/2014 2:28 PM, Share Long wrote: Having read the gospel excerpts, I even wonder if Mary M was the first to see the risen Christ. She stayed with him at the cross after the male disciples (except John the Beloved) had fled. She was at his burial, and she is the only person that all four Gospels say was first to realize that Jesus had risen and to testify to that central teaching of faith. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Magdalene Anyway, I think you are right that risen in terms of the resurrection does not mean hovering. Jesus, after the resurrection, hovered in the air and then he flew off to meet the apostles in Galilee. The first stage of flying is to hover, then fly. That way, if you are the Christ spirit you don't have to walk with the crowd and bow and scrape. It's a long walk up to Galilee. If you were to rise from the dead as the Christ, would you walk a mile just to meet a bunch of guys that deserted you in your hour of need?
