Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Get Your Ducks in a Row
I'm really sorry about that Judy. You'll just have to forgive me, por favor
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Holding back
Hey Bob, Giving things are good, hard look is good. Parsing something into idiocy, or for the purposes of trying to win an argument is bad. I think it works something like that. Have you ever had a kitten, where any little playful movement elicits a full pounce response. That's kinda what I'm talking about with Judy. Where any little point, or disagreement becomes the grounds for an argument, if she feels like arguing, which usually seems to be the case. And since you and Judy have asked for examples of her missing irony, it happened (particularly) in a post I made about Robin some time ago. My post was so outlandish that I was shocked anyone could have taken it seriously. But take it seriously she did, and I was then too embarrassed (for her) to point it out. Fortunately most everyone else "got", and when it came up later in a discussion, I was quite relieved that the misconception could be finally cleared up. Since then there have been several other instances. But if you think I'm making it up, just disregard the comment as some kind of fabrication on my part. And sorry again for my misspellings. I was anxious to get out the door. The wife's birthday is on the fourth. Naturally she's felt cheated all her life by having her birthday so close to Christmas. But it sure made it easy finding something nice today at 50% off.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Get Your Ducks in a Row
As Paul's letters are generally considered to have been written before the Gospels, he was likely referring to various prophesies in the Jewish scriptures that 'foretell' the Messiah. http://jewishroots.net/library/anti_missionary_objections/on_the_third_day.html http://jewishroots.net/library/anti_missionary_objections/on_the_third_day.html However these references provide evidence the idea was in place before Jesus, and perhaps then adopted by the early Christians as part of their spiel. We really do not have that much detail about what happened in the first century. The large number of contradictions between the various Gospels and Epistles show we are not dealing with a completely coherent account, and it is certainly plausible quite a lot got tacked onto the story that never happened in the attempt to make it more impressive. If we take the earliest account that is Christian writing (Mark), the tomb was empty and that is all, Paul's references being to earlier writings, not the actual event reported in the Gospels, which do not match up in many ways. Jewish claims at the time were that the disciples stole the body out of the tomb. Grave robbing was a problem at that time as well. A stone acquired by a French collector from Nazareth which is thought to date from the first half of the first century (based on the style lettering) reads (in translation from the Greek): EDICT OF CAESAR It is my decision [concerning] graves and tombs—whoever has made them for the religious observances of parents, or children, or household members—that these remain undisturbed forever. But if anyone legally charges that another person has destroyed, or has in any manner extracted those who have been buried, or has moved with wicked intent those who have been buried to other places, committing a crime against them, or has moved sepulcher-sealing stones, against such a person, I order that a judicial tribunal be created, just as [is done] concerning the gods in human religious observances, even more so will it be obligatory to treat with honor those who have been entombed. You are absolutely not to allow anyone to move [those who have been entombed]. But if [someone does], I wish that [violator] to suffer capital punishment under the title of tomb-breaker. The stone is not thought to be connected with the death of Jesus, just a general edict covering a continuing problem in the area. The whole problem with the story is we have a book with the story of Jesus in several versions, but no concrete way to discern if any of the versions of the story are based in fact. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Re Paul: 1 Corinthians 15:3-5 (NIV) For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Cephas, and then to the Twelve. "raised on the third day" only makes sense in reference to a physical event doesn't it?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Holding back
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Hey, Bob (she said, still giggling), I'm still not done with Part Deux; had various interruptions the past couple of days. I just now started to watch the Welles interview and discovered it was 2-3/4 hours long. I think I'm going to bypass it for now and go on to the rest of your post. Hopefully I'll have the response finished tonight, but I hate to guarantee that after having missed my other ETAs. I fully understand, I'm looking forward to it when you have time. A Happy, Healthy, and Prosperous New Year. Share being awesome: Steve, Happy New Year to you and the whole family! I'm so grateful for your even tempered and profound voice on FFL. And thank you too for the personal compliment. As for the vacation costs, may they be quickly compensated for by great business in the coming months. Safe travels and all the best always. Share aka Sharon (-: On Wednesday, January 1, 2014 10:55 AM, "steve.sundur@..." wrote: Hey Bob, Thanks for reply. I've just been catching up on some posts. Steve being profound: You know what I think part of the problem might be, is that for me, it is "just a chat room", and so I enjoy it on that basis. From Share's posts I'm getting the hang of what it takes to be awesome, but I'm not as confident about what it takes to be profound (on "just a chat room") - can you help me out? Now Judy doesn't like that term. For her it something more formal. Now, nobody likes, or abides lies. Okay, that's a given. But how in the hell, can someone find so many lies in what other people post, day after day, month after month, year after year Have I got this right, they can't be lying because they do it so often; how bout they can't be lying cause they're so bad at it? Something wrong there I think. I wonder what it could be? And do you think, that, just maybe, many or most of those "lies" may just be differences of opinion? If you were taking the position that liars are often opinionated, I would not disagree, but it does not necessarily follow that just because Curtis told us he was only expressing his POV, that he was lying; despite the fact he was so awesome at times. Talk about a week blanket! Could you unpack this one for me? And I can't tell you how many times Judy has missed irony in other's postings! Can you cite an example or two, or is this just an opinion? If you can cite an example, I would ask that it not be Richard's claim that after Mary Magdalene saw him in the sky, Jesus flew down to Damascus like Superman, and knocked Saul off his horse; because, frankly, I think Richard is dead serious. Don't get me wrong, I'm willing to give Richard a pass on moving Damascus (if we allowed Barry to move Montmartre to the left bank, I figure we can let Richard move Damascus to the Hajaz - unless in Texas they've started to claim they're going to mosey on down when they take a trip to New York), its just this whole St. Paul as Lex Luther thing that has me a bit worried. Bob, hate to the one to break the news to you, but that says something about a person's state of mind. I agree, honesty speaks volumes about a person's state of mind, and their character too. Now, evidently you enjoy the kind of "rigor" she brings to the place. And I think she is a smart lady, and finds many inconsistencies. But can there ever be too much of a "good" thing. I think there can be. This is something new to me, and I promise to give it some serious thought; assuming I have it right, and that you're saying that honesty has its place, but, like crack, it can be abused and too much of a good thing? Also Bob, please excuse my misuse of the work "onset" to describe Richard's posts. How about onslaught, does that work better? I've just been reading through them, and I think he is a really funny guy. I agree if you think being (profoundly) intellectually insecure is humorous. And another confession, I've had a few off forum discussions with Share, I'm guessing Share keeps in touch off forum with all of her usherettes; I imagined this exchange between her and Barry: Share: Barry, how are you? Barry: STFU Share: You're such a tease. Barry: What don't you understand about STFU? Share: I think you're awesome Barry: That's the most profound thing you've ever said, now STFU. and I think she is a awesome lady. Is profoundly awesome the same as awesomely profound? Just a few thoughts Bob. I think you get the gist of it. I think I do; Judy is obsessed with fairness and Share is awesome? I reeling a little right now. The wife just told me how much the vacation cost. We found an art gallery that had just opened in Aspen. And they were anxious to make a sale,and we needed to replace some artwork over the two beds. Luckily that expense will be shared by three.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Holding back
Hey, Bob (she said, still giggling), I'm still not done with Part Deux; had various interruptions the past couple of days. I just now started to watch the Welles interview and discovered it was 2-3/4 hours long. I think I'm going to bypass it for now and go on to the rest of your post. Hopefully I'll have the response finished tonight, but I hate to guarantee that after having missed my other ETAs. Share being awesome: Steve, Happy New Year to you and the whole family! I'm so grateful for your even tempered and profound voice on FFL. And thank you too for the personal compliment. As for the vacation costs, may they be quickly compensated for by great business in the coming months. Safe travels and all the best always. Share aka Sharon (-: On Wednesday, January 1, 2014 10:55 AM, "steve.sundur@..." wrote: Hey Bob, Thanks for reply. I've just been catching up on some posts. Steve being profound: You know what I think part of the problem might be, is that for me, it is "just a chat room", and so I enjoy it on that basis. From Share's posts I'm getting the hang of what it takes to be awesome, but I'm not as confident about what it takes to be profound (on "just a chat room") - can you help me out? Now Judy doesn't like that term. For her it something more formal. Now, nobody likes, or abides lies. Okay, that's a given. But how in the hell, can someone find so many lies in what other people post, day after day, month after month, year after year Have I got this right, they can't be lying because they do it so often; how bout they can't be lying cause they're so bad at it? Something wrong there I think. I wonder what it could be? And do you think, that, just maybe, many or most of those "lies" may just be differences of opinion? If you were taking the position that liars are often opinionated, I would not disagree, but it does not necessarily follow that just because Curtis told us he was only expressing his POV, that he was lying; despite the fact he was so awesome at times. Talk about a week blanket! Could you unpack this one for me? And I can't tell you how many times Judy has missed irony in other's postings! Can you cite an example or two, or is this just an opinion? If you can cite an example, I would ask that it not be Richard's claim that after Mary Magdalene saw him in the sky, Jesus flew down to Damascus like Superman, and knocked Saul off his horse; because, frankly, I think Richard is dead serious. Don't get me wrong, I'm willing to give Richard a pass on moving Damascus (if we allowed Barry to move Montmartre to the left bank, I figure we can let Richard move Damascus to the Hajaz - unless in Texas they've started to claim they're going to mosey on down when they take a trip to New York), its just this whole St. Paul as Lex Luther thing that has me a bit worried. Bob, hate to the one to break the news to you, but that says something about a person's state of mind. I agree, honesty speaks volumes about a person's state of mind, and their character too. Now, evidently you enjoy the kind of "rigor" she brings to the place. And I think she is a smart lady, and finds many inconsistencies. But can there ever be too much of a "good" thing. I think there can be. This is something new to me, and I promise to give it some serious thought; assuming I have it right, and that you're saying that honesty has its place, but, like crack, it can be abused and too much of a good thing? Also Bob, please excuse my misuse of the work "onset" to describe Richard's posts. How about onslaught, does that work better? I've just been reading through them, and I think he is a really funny guy. I agree if you think being (profoundly) intellectually insecure is humorous. And another confession, I've had a few off forum discussions with Share, I'm guessing Share keeps in touch off forum with all of her usherettes; I imagined this exchange between her and Barry: Share: Barry, how are you? Barry: STFU Share: You're such a tease. Barry: What don't you understand about STFU? Share: I think you're awesome Barry: That's the most profound thing you've ever said, now STFU. and I think she is a awesome lady. Is profoundly awesome the same as awesomely profound? Just a few thoughts Bob. I think you get the gist of it. I think I do; Judy is obsessed with fairness and Share is awesome? I reeling a little right now. The wife just told me how much the vacation cost. We found an art gallery that had just opened in Aspen. And they were anxious to make a sale,and we needed to replace some artwork over the two beds. Luckily that expense will be shared by three. But still, sort of reality check going on now. I sympathize, although I'm sure the art is beautiful. Happy first day of the new year! Happy New Year to
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Holding back
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Share being awesome: Steve, Happy New Year to you and the whole family! I'm so grateful for your even tempered and profound voice on FFL. And thank you too for the personal compliment. As for the vacation costs, may they be quickly compensated for by great business in the coming months. Safe travels and all the best always. Share aka Sharon (-: On Wednesday, January 1, 2014 10:55 AM, "steve.sundur@..." wrote: Hey Bob, Thanks for reply. I've just been catching up on some posts. Steve being profound: You know what I think part of the problem might be, is that for me, it is "just a chat room", and so I enjoy it on that basis. From Share's posts I'm getting the hang of what it takes to be awesome, but I'm not as confident about what it takes to be profound (on "just a chat room") - can you help me out? Now Judy doesn't like that term. For her it something more formal. Now, nobody likes, or abides lies. Okay, that's a given. But how in the hell, can someone find so many lies in what other people post, day after day, month after month, year after year Have I got this right, they can't be lying because they do it so often; how bout they can't be lying cause they're so bad at it? Something wrong there I think. I wonder what it could be? And do you think, that, just maybe, many or most of those "lies" may just be differences of opinion? If you were taking the position that liars are often opinionated, I would not disagree, but it does not necessarily follow that just because Curtis told us he was only expressing his POV, that he was lying; despite the fact he was so awesome at times. Talk about a week blanket! Could you unpack this one for me? And I can't tell you how many times Judy has missed irony in other's postings! Can you cite an example or two, or is this just an opinion? If you can cite an example, I would ask that it not be Richard's claim that after Mary Magdalene saw him in the sky, Jesus flew down to Damascus like Superman, and knocked Saul off his horse; because, frankly, I think Richard is dead serious. Don't get me wrong, I'm willing to give Richard a pass on moving Damascus (if we allowed Barry to move Montmartre to the left bank, I figure we can let Richard move Damascus to the Hajaz - unless in Texas they've started to claim they're going to mosey on down when they take a trip to New York), its just this whole St. Paul as Lex Luther thing that has me a bit worried. Bob, hate to the one to break the news to you, but that says something about a person's state of mind. I agree, honesty speaks volumes about a person's state of mind, and their character too. Now, evidently you enjoy the kind of "rigor" she brings to the place. And I think she is a smart lady, and finds many inconsistencies. But can there ever be too much of a "good" thing. I think there can be. This is something new to me, and I promise to give it some serious thought; assuming I have it right, and that you're saying that honesty has its place, but, like crack, it can be abused and too much of a good thing? Also Bob, please excuse my misuse of the work "onset" to describe Richard's posts. How about onslaught, does that work better? I've just been reading through them, and I think he is a really funny guy. I agree if you think being (profoundly) intellectually insecure is humorous. And another confession, I've had a few off forum discussions with Share, I'm guessing Share keeps in touch off forum with all of her usherettes; I imagined this exchange between her and Barry: Share: Barry, how are you? Barry: STFU Share: You're such a tease. Barry: What don't you understand about STFU? Share: I think you're awesome Barry: That's the most profound thing you've ever said, now STFU. and I think she is a awesome lady. Is profoundly awesome the same as awesomely profound? Just a few thoughts Bob. I think you get the gist of it. I think I do; Judy is obsessed with fairness and Share is awesome? I reeling a little right now. The wife just told me how much the vacation cost. We found an art gallery that had just opened in Aspen. And they were anxious to make a sale,and we needed to replace some artwork over the two beds. Luckily that expense will be shared by three. But still, sort of reality check going on now. I sympathize, although I'm sure the art is beautiful. Happy first day of the new year! Happy New Year to you too! And Steve, I love you man, but if someone, whose motives are suspect - hands you a shovel - it's generally considered not a good idea to take it and start digging; that might not be just a hand he has behind his back.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Get Your Ducks in a Row
Stevie, do you have any idea how often you get it wrong when you try to mind-read? Hi Share, Second attempt at this message. I did not follow the conversation with Richard and may have missed some nuances. But when someone is condescending, you don't usually miss that. That's what I was commenting on of course. I just noticed that Judy is anxious, as always, to stretch some tiny point into a prolonged disagreement. Her legacy, I suppose. Recorded for posterity.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Radical Transcendentalism, Maharishi Waging Peace World Wide
Transcendental Meditation: Crime rate decreased in cities after one percent of their populations had begun practicing the Transcendental Meditation technique. -Editors Paper 98 Improved Quality of Life Through The Transcendental Meditation Program: Decreased Crime Rate Paper 98 Introduction In 1960 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, founder of the Transcendental Meditation program, predicted that a transition in society toward a more orderly and harmonious functioning would occur when a small fraction -on the order of one percent- of a population practiced the Transcendental Meditation technique (6), and in December 1974 we found that crime rate did decrease in four midwestern U.S. Cities in which one percent of the population was practicing the TM technique. Scientific Research on the Transcendental Meditation Program Collected Papers, Volume I, 1977 Editors, Orme-Johnson Farrow pp 727 In the East China Sea, in very practical terms I should really quite like to see a well formed coalition made of the United Nations Peace-keepers immediately handling the logistics of a landing of teams of AFSC Quakers as experienced mediators of conflict and meditators from the Global Country of World Peace in field effect as a joint peace-making task-force. In coalition of peace-keeping make a landing now on some island rock between them countries all for a residence of coherence mediation meditation. It is high time to attack the incoherence there directly with a much more aggressive mediation of transcending meditation. -Buck Revolution now! It is high time we claim our revolutionary heritage back from the Movement's suits. As meditators we need to take our cause with peace directly to the barricades again; the need be here in this world today that we deploy now and lay siege with meditation even to the Great Walls of China in that troubled incoherent part of the world. It is time for great spiritual and scientific revolutionary action of mediation meditation everywhere. If they won't let us in to Red China to meditate a mediation with peace there then, occupy their Great Wall. Garrison their block houses with meditation. !Occupy Now! Revolution: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH9zG28GQEg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH9zG28GQEg Police in China's restive Xinjiang region have shot dead eight people during a violent clash on Monday http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-25546531 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-25546531 The East China Sea is an ideal location to wage peace from now. It is time to occupy the whole region with peace. Surround the place with meditation. We need mediators, meditators, and peace-keepers there now. Quakers as mediators, mediators from the Global Country of World Peace, and the United Nations Peace-keepers for logistics. What are the TM Rajas doing about peace there? -Buck Japan's Prime Minister, Shinzo Abe's visit to the Yasukuni shrine has angered many in China and South Korea http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-25524559 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-25524559 From quite early on Maharishi Mahesh Yogi employed the radical direct action of groups meditating deployed in field effect as like the Meissner Effect of consciousness mediation of meditation as then even in 1962 meditating a peaceful resolution to the Cuban Missile crisis of 1962. Maharishi called for group meditations at that time to avert the critical danger of incoherence the world was suffering in at that moment in time. In a move of scientific radical peace-activism Maharishi lead group meditations against the turmoil in the world then. To his transcendental mediation we look back at it now as The Cuban missile crisis of 1962. Radicalism 1962, Radical Peace and The 1962 Cuban missile crisis: As a 20th Century revolutionary in radical peaceful affect, a prominent millenarian of his age, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi was boundlessly persistent, constant and consistent in his coming out of India going around the world in peace activism of direct-action through introducing and inciting the mediation for peaceful resolution of world conflict by the effect of group meditation. Revolution: Maharishi's formula to change the world Waging Radical Peace, Maharishi 1983. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6lCNQ9DTOY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6lCNQ9DTOY Radical Transcendentalism, It is quite time to own being peace-revolutionaries; it is quite time to own being radicals of direct-action in mediation of meditation as Maharishi's TM revolutionary peace-activists. -Buck in the Dome Deploying Radical Peace, Maharishi 1967: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3qOxNjNms0&list=PL6468F67BE38B5F92 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3qOxNjNms0&list=PL6468F67BE38B5F92 Look this ain't just some theory or theology of peace. This is practical science
[FairfieldLife] RE: Get Your Ducks in a Row
I said: "raised on the third day" (Paul's phrase) only makes sense in reference to a physical event doesn't it?": Richard, playing silly buggers, says: "Raised from the dead means raised to a spirit . . . in which case, Jesus would have been hovering naked in front of Mary Magdalene": She would hardly have mistaken a naked man for a gardener, as recounted in the Gospel. The point is that the specificity of the *third* day implies the tomb being found empty on that day (Sunday) when the women visited the tomb. Which implies an absent physical body. What happened to it?
[FairfieldLife] RE: The Origin of MIU / MUM
The decision to establish Maharishi International University arose directly from the enthusiasm of faculty, administration, students, and parent at more than 600 college and university campuses in the United States who had witnessed the enlivening results of engaging in the Science of Creative Intelligence and the practice of Transcendental Meditation, as introduced and taught by His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. MIU owes its knowledge, strength, and inspiration to the wisdom of Maharishi , the founder of the university. In 1958, Maharishi first introduced to the West Transcendental Meditation and the knowledge of the Science of Creative Intelligence, and this technique and knowledge were spread throughout the world by several organizations under the inspiration of Maharishi: Students International Meditation Society (SIMS), International Meditation Society (IMS), Spiritual Regeneration Movement (SRM), International Foundation for the Science of creative Intelligence (IFSCI). By 1972, more than two hundred thousand students in the United States had participated in this educational program and by 1973, more than 14,000 people were beginning SCI programs every month. The first credit-bearing course in the Science of Creative Intelligence was offered at Stanford University in 1970 and was attended by over three hundred fifty students. The response was so promising that similar credited courses have been offered at more than thirty American universities since that time including Yale, Harvard, and the University of California at Berkeley. The profound benefits of the knowledge and practice of the Science of Creative Intelligence as experienced by hundreds of thousands of individuals throughout the world and the validation of these benefits by physiological, psychological, and sociological research conducted at leading universities and research institutes have provided a vision of possibility for the fulfillment of education systems in all part of the world. Responsible individuals, organizations, and governments throughout the world continue to make great efforts to provide the best possible education for each new generation. But in spite of all sincerity and dedicated effort, two facts signal a basic lack of success universally experienced: first, suffering continues in society, and second, dissatisfaction among youth is a common phenomenon almost everywhere. Education everywhere deals with similar classes of knowledge -science, arts, humanities. As long as the same knowledge is taught, the same results must be expected. Innovation in teaching techniques alone will not resolve the universal problems of education. As Maharishi says, only a new seed will yield a new crop. Some new field of knowledge must be added to education to make it complete. MIU fulfills the need of education by providing a systematic study of intelligence and simultaneously promotes the growth of the knower along with the growth of knowledge. The study of intelligence integrated with the study of every discipline enriches and completes the range of every discipline, structures the home of all knowledge in the awareness of the student, and thus offers the solution to the pressing problems of modern education. Pages 26-7, founding Catalog of Maharishi International University, 1974
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Get Your Ducks in a Row
Hi Share, Second attempt at this message. I did not follow the conversation with Richard and may have missed some nuances. But when someone is condescending, you don't usually miss that. That's what I was commenting on of course. I just noticed that Judy is anxious, as always, to stretch some tiny point into a prolonged disagreement. Her legacy, I suppose. Recorded for posterity.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Get Your Ducks in a Row
And yet more awesome from Share. No matter how low you set your expectations of her, she always outdoes them. << Hi Steve and thanks for clarifying. Richard kept saying that the spirit of Jesus rose from his body but the scripture says the tomb was empty. No body. That's what I was pointing out to Richard, rhetorically. How Judy twisted that into something to criticize is HER brand of awesome imho. >>
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Get Your Ducks in a Row
Hi Steve and thanks for clarifying. Richard kept saying that the spirit of Jesus rose from his body but the scripture says the tomb was empty. No body. That's what I was pointing out to Richard, rhetorically. How Judy twisted that into something to criticize is HER brand of awesome imho. On Wednesday, January 1, 2014 5:27 PM, "steve.sun...@yahoo.com" wrote: Somehow, not all my comment made it. I had added, that some of us communicate in a more gentle way, and others in a more direct, even harsh manner. It may depend on which part of our personality is more developed. Not necessarily making a judgment here, just saying that by giving people a leeway in how we interpret their comments, might make for a more friendly dialog.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Get Your Ducks in a Row
Says our Judy boring us in her usual fashion. Says our Stevie, intolerantly, judgmentally, and narrow-mindedly. (What was it you thought I was calling "The Truth" in my mind, again?) Oh, and I didn't know I was that liberal. But perhaps you don't read my political posts. Judy, you spin whatever, however, anyway it suits you. Whether or not it makes sense, is another matter. But it looks like this is your career, so at least you are good at it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Get Your Ducks in a Row
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: On 1/1/2014 4:10 PM, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... wrote: > "raised on the third day" only makes sense in reference > to a physical event doesn't it? > Raised from the dead means raised to a spirit - a spiritual resurrection. But, many Christians believe that the body of Jesus was restored AND his soul was returned to life, in which case, Jesus would have risen from the dead and would have been hovering naked in front of Mary Magdalene, who was the first to realize that Jesus had risen. So, that's why he told her not to touch him, because it would be improper for a woman to touch a naked man in public. Then Jesus flew away into the sky, because he was naked, in order to get some clothing and to meet the apostles in Galilee. Spirits are able to fly any where they want to and are able to hover in mid-air as long as they want to. See Barry, no one is serious here except you about how serious they all are.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Get Your Ducks in a Row
Says our Stevie, intolerantly, judgmentally, and narrow-mindedly. (What was it you thought I was calling "The Truth" in my mind, again?) Oh, and I didn't know I was that liberal. But perhaps you don't read my political posts. Bingo! For a liberal, (on the most liberal end of the liberal scale), you continually show an extreme amount of intolerance, judgementalness, (if that's a word), and narrow mindedness. But in your mind, it's called "The Truth", so, no worries.
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[FairfieldLife] RE: Get Your Ducks in a Row
Bingo! For a liberal, (on the most liberal end of the liberal scale), you continually show an extreme amount of intolerance, judgementalness, (if that's a word), and narrow mindedness. But in your mind, it's called "The Truth", so, no worries.
[FairfieldLife] RE: MMY's Adwaita
Yes, it was coming across excerpts in anthologies of Stephen MacKenna's acclaimed translation of the Enneads that intrigued me. Yep, me too. I like the MacKenna version because it is readable. However, I actually use the translation by A.H. Armstrong of the complete Enneads in 7 volumes in the Loeb edition. The later Neos like Proclus and Iamblichus are unreadable except by professors in ivory towers. Well I’ve had some pretty erudite professors but I never was able to find that ol’ ivory tower. Much depends upon the translator, with academics being some of the best examples for creating unreadable text. However, not all of them are so inept. Here is a translation of a passage of Iamblicus: But there is another principle (arche) of the soul, superior to all nature and knowledge, by which we are able to be united with the Gods, transcend the mundane order, and participate in the eternal life and activity of the super-celestial Gods. … The soul is then entirely separated from those things that bind it to the generated world and it flies from the inferior and exchanges one life for another. It gives itself to another order, having entirely abandoned its former existence. (Iamblicus, De Mysteriis 270, 8-19 – from Theurgy and the Soul, by Gregory Shaw) I found such a translation not only easily understandable but also illuminating.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
> Does anyone involved in this current discussion consider the Bible to be > history? << You mean history as opposed to your opinion? >> No. <<< Apparently Judy has been doing most of the Bible referencing in this thread. As far as I can tell, Judy cites no historians to back up any of her claims. Go figure. >> Maybe I would if I considered the Bible to be history.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Get Your Ducks in a Row
Stevie, in this case I'm seeing nuances that you aren't. Share uses a kind of faux-tentativeness that she apparently thinks makes her more likable. There are some circumstances in which it's appropriate to be less than 100 percent definitive for diplomatic reasons, but she uses tentativeness indiscriminately, even for the most ridiculously obvious things. What I find "awesome" about Share is her lack of authenticity. And Judy, this might be a perfect example of what I mean by you missing nuance, and choosing to interpret something in the worst possible way. Share's comment sounds like a rhetorical statement, as in "of course the tomb was empty", or maybe, like, "Richard, you know the tomb was empty, right?" That is how I would interpret that comment. See, we all have ways of communicating, don't we?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
One account of some of the first people to see Christ after resurrection said that they were walking towards Galilee and someone joined them on their walk and it turned out to be Jesus. So, I guess He did do some walking. There's also teleportation! But to throw cold water on this whole discussion, it was John, Peter and James that first saw Jesus hover in the air over a mountain with Moses and Elijah at His side during the Transfiguration which was pre-crucifixion. One account in the Gospel of John says that when Mary M. first saw Jesus at the tomb, after resurrection, she didn't recognize him at first, thought he was a gardener, then Jesus spoke to her "Mary!" She turned to him and exclaimed "Teacher!" "Don't cling to me." Jesus said. "for I haven't yet ascended to the Father but go find my brothers and tell them... I guess she was on his level, the ground, not in the air because she was instructed not to cling to him. unless of course she was hovering as well when she first saw Him. From: Richard J. Williams To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2014 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row On 1/1/2014 2:28 PM, Share Long wrote: > Having read the gospel excerpts, I even wonder if > Mary M was the first to see the risen Christ. > "She stayed with him at the cross after the male disciples (except John the Beloved) had fled. She was at his burial, and she is the only person that all four Gospels say was first to realize that Jesus had risen and to testify to that central teaching of faith." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Magdalene > Anyway, I think you are right that risen in terms > of the resurrection does not mean hovering. > Jesus, after the resurrection, hovered in the air and then he flew off to meet the apostles in Galilee. The first stage of flying is to hover, then fly. That way, if you are the Christ spirit you don't have to walk with the crowd and bow and scrape. It's a long walk up to Galilee. If you were to rise from the dead as the Christ, would you walk a mile just to meet a bunch of guys that deserted you in your hour of need?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
On 1/1/2014 4:15 PM, Share Long wrote:> Judy I did NOT confirm that the hovering was something > Richard made up! > According to Paul, after the resurrection the risen Christ was seen above five hundred brethren all at once, floating in the sky. Spirits and angels can fly and hover, so it makes sense that the Christ could fly and hover. The first phase of flying is to hover. How do you think that Christ rose up to heaven - in a hot-air baloon? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_of_Paul_the_Apostle
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Get Your Ducks in a Row
On 1/1/2014 4:10 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote: > "raised on the third day" only makes sense in reference > to a physical event doesn't it? > Raised from the dead means raised to a spirit - a spiritual resurrection. But, many Christians believe that the body of Jesus was restored AND his soul was returned to life, in which case, Jesus would have risen from the dead and would have been hovering naked in front of Mary Magdalene, who was the first to realize that Jesus had risen. So, that's why he told her not to touch him, because it would be improper for a woman to touch a naked man in public. Then Jesus flew away into the sky, because he was naked, in order to get some clothing and to meet the apostles in Galilee. Spirits are able to fly any where they want to and are able to hover in mid-air as long as they want to.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Get Your Ducks in a Row
Somehow, not all my comment made it. I had added, that some of us communicate in a more gentle way, and others in a more direct, even harsh manner. It may depend on which part of our personality is more developed. Not necessarily making a judgment here, just saying that by giving people a leeway in how we interpret their comments, might make for a more friendly dialog.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
On 1/1/2014 3:35 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: > Does anyone involved in this current discussion > consider the Bible to be history? > You mean history as opposed to your opinion? Apparently Judy has been doing most of the Bible referencing in this thread. As far as I can tell, Judy cites no historians to back up any of her claims. Go figure. "The Gospel of Mary was written sometime during the time of Christ. "Scholars do not always agree which of the Marys in the New Testament is the central character of the Gospel of Mary. Arguments in favor of Mary Magdalene are based on her status as a known follower of Jesus, the tradition of being the first witness of his resurrection, and her appearance in other early Christian writings. She is mentioned as accompanying Jesus on his journeys (Luke 8:2) and is listed in the Gospel of Matthew as being present at his crucifixion (Matthew 27:56). In the Gospel of John, she is recorded as the first witness of Jesus' resurrection (John 20:14–16); (Mark 16:9 later manuscripts)." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Mary
[FairfieldLife] RE: Overused superlatives on FFL
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Gotta admit that most of the denizens here are above used the most despised superlative: "awesome." I do see "fascinating" used occasionally but wonder if "interesting" might have sufficed? Was it really that "fascinating?" Doesn't that say something about the consciousness being overwhelmed which shouldn't happen to the denizens here. What are your candidates? "Awesome" needs to be taken out of the English language along with "like" when used in the context of "And then she was like and then I was like and then he was like..."
[FairfieldLife] RE: Get Your Ducks in a Row
And Judy, this might be a perfect example of what I mean by you missing nuance, and choosing to interpret something in the worst possible way. Share's comment sounds like a rhetorical statement, as in "of course the tomb was empty", or maybe, like, "Richard, you know the tomb was empty, right?" That is how I would interpret that comment. See, we all have ways of communicating, don't we?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
On 1/1/2014 3:23 PM, anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: > Historians and Biblical scholars seem mostly in > agreement that Mark is the earliest of the Gospels > (though some of the letters of Paul are earlier). > According to Paul, in Acts 9:3–9, after the resurrection the risen Christ was seen above five hundred brethren all at once, floating in the sky. "As he neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him. He fell to the ground and heard a voice..." "The Conversion of Paul the Apostle, was, according to the New Testament, an event that took place in the life of Paul the Apostle which led him to cease persecuting early Christians and to become a follower of Jesus. It is normally dated by researchers to AD 33–36." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_of_Paul_the_Apostle
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
On 1/1/2014 2:40 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: > So Richard was wrong about Luke (until he changed "see" > to "realize" and pretended that's what he'd been saying > all along). > "She was at his burial, and she is the only person that all four Gospels say was first to realize that Jesus had risen and to testify to that central teaching of faith." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Magdalene
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
On 1/1/2014 2:28 PM, Share Long wrote: > Having read the gospel excerpts, I even wonder if > Mary M was the first to see the risen Christ. > "She stayed with him at the cross after the male disciples (except John the Beloved) had fled. She was at his burial, and she is the only person that all four Gospels say was first to realize that Jesus had risen and to testify to that central teaching of faith." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Magdalene > Anyway, I think you are right that risen in terms > of the resurrection does not mean hovering. > Jesus, after the resurrection, hovered in the air and then he flew off to meet the apostles in Galilee. The first stage of flying is to hover, then fly. That way, if you are the Christ spirit you don't have to walk with the crowd and bow and scrape. It's a long walk up to Galilee. If you were to rise from the dead as the Christ, would you walk a mile just to meet a bunch of guys that deserted you in your hour of need?
[FairfieldLife] Overused superlatives on FFL
Gotta admit that most of the denizens here are above used the most despised superlative: "awesome." I do see "fascinating" used occasionally but wonder if "interesting" might have sufficed? Was it really that "fascinating?" Doesn't that say something about the consciousness being overwhelmed which shouldn't happen to the denizens here. What are your candidates?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
Steve, this post from Share is an example of why I think she's "awesome." Who else do you know who would ask "Wasn't the tomb empty?!" unless they had almost no acquaintance with Christianity and had never read the Bible? << Richard, I always thought that Jesus rose from the dead body and spirit. I mean, wasn't the tomb empty?! >> On Wednesday, January 1, 2014 4:19 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: On 1/1/2014 1:19 PM, authfriend@... wrote: > It was "established" a very long time ago. > So, Mary Magdalene was the first person to see the risen Christ after the resurrection. And, I think Jesus rose from the dead and flew into the air so Mary could see him first. Later, Jesus as the risen Christ flew up to Galillee to meet the apostles; and then after that he flew down to the road to Damascus. Then forty days later the risen Christ ascended into heaven. Spirits can fly anywhere they want to any time. That's what I think.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Get Your Ducks in a Row
On 1/1/2014 1:51 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: > Sorry, but that isn't a quote from that Wikipedia > page, as you know > "She stayed with him at the cross after the male disciples (except John the Beloved) had fled. She was at his burial, and she is the only person that all four Gospels say was first to realize that Jesus had risen and to testify to that central teaching of faith." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Magdalene
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
Nobody is said in the Bible to have seen the actual resurrection, as you know. > As you know, she was a witness to the risen Christ, > not to the resurrection itself. Nobody saw that. > Mary Magdalene was at the Jesus' crucifixion, a witness to his ministry, and she was at the resurrection. She saw them all with her own eyes. Then she told the others. She was the first to see it - the resurrection. First. That's what I think. Mary heard the risen Jesus call out her name and she knew it was the Christ. After telling her what to do, he flew up into the sky and went to meet the apostles. How do you think he got to Galilee - on a bullock cart? For Christians, the belief that Jesus miraculously returned to life after the crucifixion is the central tenet of the faith - the Nicene Creed. Work cited: 'The Nicene Creed' First Council of Constantinople, 381 AD New Short History of the Catholic Church by Norman Tanner Burns & Oates, 2011 p. 33
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
On 1/1/2014 1:20 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: > As you know, she was a witness to the risen Christ, > not to the resurrection itself. Nobody saw that. > Mary Magdalene was at the Jesus' crucifixion, a witness to his ministry, and she was at the resurrection. She saw them all with her own eyes. Then she told the others. She was the first to see it - the resurrection. First. That's what I think. Mary heard the risen Jesus call out her name and she knew it was the Christ. After telling her what to do, he flew up into the sky and went to meet the apostles. How do you think he got to Galilee - on a bullock cart? For Christians, the belief that Jesus miraculously returned to life after the crucifixion is the central tenet of the faith - the Nicene Creed. Work cited: 'The Nicene Creed' First Council of Constantinople, 381 AD New Short History of the Catholic Church by Norman Tanner Burns & Oates, 2011 p. 33
[FairfieldLife] Master of his virtual domain!
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/22/technology/master-of-his-virtual-domain.html?_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/22/technology/master-of-his-virtual-domain.html?_r=0
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
Next time you're talking about what the Bible says, Richard, when you add something you made up out of your own head that isn't in the Bible at all, it would be good if you'd say so. Actually, the descriptions in the Gospel accounts don't say anything about the risen Christ being "up in the air" when human beings saw him. In John, for example, he's standing in the garden next to the tomb, where Mary sees him and mistakes him for the gardener. She probably wouldn't have made that mistake if he'd been "up in the air." > It was "established" a very long time ago. > So, Mary Magdalene was the first person to see the risen Christ after the resurrection. And, I think Jesus rose from the dead and flew into the air so Mary could see him first. Later, Jesus as the risen Christ flew up to Galillee to meet the apostles; and then after that he flew down to the road to Damascus. Then forty days later the risen Christ ascended into heaven. Spirits can fly anywhere they want to any time. That's what I think.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
<< Judy I did NOT confirm that the hovering was something Richard made up! For all I know, he really thought that. Or maybe he just misspoke. I don't think he lied or trolled. >> No surprise, Share. You simply aren't big enough or brave enough to admit your pal has been dishonest, despite all the evidence. << All in all, I definitely think that this exchange has been the creation of several people, not just Richard. >> You mean, there was more than one person leaving all those posts!? Really!? On Wednesday, January 1, 2014 2:40 PM, "authfriend@..." wrote: Yes, maybe the angels watched, but we were really talking about human beings. And I've never disputed that Mary Magdalene was the first human to see the risen Christ according to Matthew, Mark, and John--but not Luke. So Richard was wrong about Luke (until he changed "see" to "realize" and pretended that's what he'd been saying all along). And again, there was never a disagreement about Mary M. having been first to see the risen Christ according to the other three Gospels, so Richard wasn't "right" about that if you're implying that means I was wrong. I guess it's too much to expect that you would acknowledge that this whole fuss has been a matter of Richard's trolling and lying. But thanks at least for confirming that the risen Christ "hovering" was something Richard made up. << Having read the gospel excerpts, I even wonder if Mary M was the first to see the risen Christ. Maybe the angel at His tomb was the first to see Him. Anyway, I think you are right that risen in terms of the resurrection does not mean hovering. And I think Richard is right in that Mary M was the first human to see the risen Christ. >> On Wednesday, January 1, 2014 1:20 PM, "authfriend@..." wrote: As you know, she was a witness to the risen Christ, not to the resurrection itself. Nobody saw that. << what you should have put in red was that Luke wasn't at the resurrection >> > Neither was anybody else. > In the Gospel of John, Mary Magdalene "...is recorded as the first witness of Jesus' resurrection (John 20:14–16); (Mark 16:9 later manuscripts)." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Mary http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Mary
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
Richard, I always thought that Jesus rose from the dead body and spirit. I mean, wasn't the tomb empty?! On Wednesday, January 1, 2014 4:19 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: On 1/1/2014 1:19 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: > It was "established" a very long time ago. > So, Mary Magdalene was the first person to see the risen Christ after the resurrection. And, I think Jesus rose from the dead and flew into the air so Mary could see him first. Later, Jesus as the risen Christ flew up to Galillee to meet the apostles; and then after that he flew down to the road to Damascus. Then forty days later the risen Christ ascended into heaven. Spirits can fly anywhere they want to any time. That's what I think.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
On 1/1/2014 1:19 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: > It was "established" a very long time ago. > So, Mary Magdalene was the first person to see the risen Christ after the resurrection. And, I think Jesus rose from the dead and flew into the air so Mary could see him first. Later, Jesus as the risen Christ flew up to Galillee to meet the apostles; and then after that he flew down to the road to Damascus. Then forty days later the risen Christ ascended into heaven. Spirits can fly anywhere they want to any time. That's what I think.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Wovon man nicht sprechen kann...
M.A.N meets Schubert... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDvOFxBI_E8
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
Judy I did NOT confirm that the hovering was something Richard made up! For all I know, he really thought that. Or maybe he just misspoke. I don't think he lied or trolled. All in all, I definitely think that this exchange has been the creation of several people, not just Richard. On Wednesday, January 1, 2014 2:40 PM, "authfri...@yahoo.com" wrote: Yes, maybe the angels watched, but we were really talking about human beings. And I've never disputed that Mary Magdalene was the first human to see the risen Christ according to Matthew, Mark, and John--but not Luke. So Richard was wrong about Luke (until he changed "see" to "realize" and pretended that's what he'd been saying all along). And again, there was never a disagreement about Mary M. having been first to see the risen Christ according to the other three Gospels, so Richard wasn't "right" about that if you're implying that means I was wrong. I guess it's too much to expect that you would acknowledge that this whole fuss has been a matter of Richard's trolling and lying. But thanks at least for confirming that the risen Christ "hovering" was something Richard made up. << Having read the gospel excerpts, I even wonder if Mary M was the first to see the risen Christ. Maybe the angel at His tomb was the first to see Him. Anyway, I think you are right that risen in terms of the resurrection does not mean hovering. And I think Richard is right in that Mary M was the first human to see the risen Christ. >> On Wednesday, January 1, 2014 1:20 PM, "authfriend@..." wrote: As you know, she was a witness to the risen Christ, not to the resurrection itself. Nobody saw that. << what you should have put in red was that Luke wasn't at the >>resurrection >> > > >> Neither was anybody else. >>> >>In the Gospel of John, Mary Magdalene "...is recorded as the first >witness of Jesus' resurrection (John 20:14–16); (Mark 16:9 later >manuscripts)." > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Mary
[FairfieldLife] RE: Get Your Ducks in a Row
Re Paul: 1 Corinthians 15:3-5 (NIV) For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Cephas, and then to the Twelve. "raised on the third day" only makes sense in reference to a physical event doesn't it?
[FairfieldLife] RE: The Gospel Of Jesus' Wife
Nobody really knows very little about the Cathars, since they were stamped out by the French Christians in the year 1244. However, the Cathars were not Manichaean, in the sense of an unbroken tradition going back to the 3rd century Persian Mani. While they shared the notion of dualism, and asceticism, the Cathars had no united ideology. Apparently, the first record of the Cathars is from Germany in the mid-twelth century, where they are described as related to the Bogomils, but in fact, the Cathars may have been moderate dualists, in that, they ultimately believed that God was stronger than Satan.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
Does anyone involved in this current discussion consider the Bible to be history? I find it interesting that religious writings are considered history because they contain historical references. But they were written for an entirely different purpose. As a case in point there are four known earliest more or less complete manuscripts of the Christian Bible. Codex Sinaiticus, Codex Vaticanus, both mid 4th century; Codex Alexandrinus (late 4th century, and Codex Ephraemi Rescriptus (early 5th century). The ending of Mark 16:9-20 does not exist in the two earliest manuscripts, and early Church fathers do not mention them. Mark 16:9-20 does appear in the two later codicies. But there are three different versions of thisadded ending in other manuscripts. One is shorter than the now accepted ending, one is the currently accepted ending, and one is a more extended version of the currently accepted ending. Note that not only does Mark in its earliest known version not have the resurrection, it also does not have Jesus' miraculous birth either. So Mark ends like this: 'Trembling and bewildered, the women went out and fled from the tomb. They said nothing to anyone, because they were afraid.' The short version added in later on is: 'Then they quickly reported all these instructions to those around Peter. After this, Jesus himself also sent out through them from east to west the sacred and imperishable proclamation of eternal salvation. Amen.' This kind of textual corruption also is found in, for example, the Lord's Prayer where 'For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever and ever. Amen.' which does not appear in any of these early manuscripts shows up a couple of centuries later. There is also the synoptic problem. Historians and Biblical scholars seem mostly in agreement that Mark is the earliest of the Gospels (though some of the letters of Paul are earlier). That sections of Mark are copied verbatim or almost verbatim in Matthew and Luke means these are not independent accounts. There is also another source for Matthew and Luke called 'Q' which contains the sayings of Jesus, and Papyrus Oxyrhynchus 1 (early half of the 3rd century) and the Gospel of Thomas also contain sayings of Jesus. The date of the Gospel of Thomas is in dispute, one group of scholars argue for somewhere between 50 and 100 CE and others for some time in the 2nd century. These writings are more Gnostic in inclination, but also seem to have an slant that is more in line with what Maharishi teaches. If you look at the way the TM movement revises and changes texts today, you can imagine that in that period of early Christianity, about which most information is really lost, how different segments of the growing community of Christians would copy, preserve and sometimes enhance what came before them. There are glaring contradictions between different versions of the tale, which indicates we do not have the original story. Religions tend to be based on faith (which is pretending to know things that one does not actually know, in other words, belief without any factual evidence) and have a message that spreads those empirically deficient thoughts to others. It is even possible that Jesus never existed as an historical person, though a very definite personality seems to come through the fog of history. There are no contemporary references to him, except for a short passage in the history of Flavius Josephus which is universally regarded as an interpolation by scholars (and even the Catholic Church) due to its being unconnected to the material that surrounds it, and in a different style. There is no evidence of just about everyone who lived in the first century Some of the letters of Paul (about half of them), considered the earliest Christian writings, interestingly speaks of Jesus, of Christ, as a spiritual force rather than as a person, that is, as something that could be experienced rather than merely believed, but this is looking at his writings from a more gnostic point of view, the gnostic viewpoint being the main competition to what now survives as Christianity. The other half of the letters of Paul are in dispute that he was the author. The authors of the Gospels are also unknown, but attributions of course are now tightly affixed to each one.
[FairfieldLife] RE: For Turq: New movie by Lars von Trier -
Having watched Lars von Trier's "Antichrist" and found it utterly repellent and pointless I'll pass on this new one. I've seen only one of his other films: "Europa" (1991). Set in post-war Germany it had a rather dodgy Nazi chic element to it so the Cannes controversy decades later when he expressed sympathy for the Austrian (a "gaffe") was revealing.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
I find it interesting that religious writings are considered history because they contain historical references. But they were written for an entirely different purpose. As a case in point there are four known earliest more or less complete manuscripts of the Christian Bible. Codex Sinaiticus, Codex Vaticanus, both mid 4th century; Codex Alexandrinus (late 4th century, and Codex Ephraemi Rescriptus (early 5th century). The ending of Mark 16:9-20 does not exist in the two earliest manuscripts, and early Church fathers do not mention them. Mark 16:9-20 does appear in the two later codicies. But there are three different versions of thisadded ending in other manuscripts. One is shorter than the now accepted ending, one is the currently accepted ending, and one is a more extended version of the currently accepted ending. Note that not only does Mark in its earliest known version not have the resurrection, it also does not have Jesus' miraculous birth either. So Mark ends like this: 'Trembling and bewildered, the women went out and fled from the tomb. They said nothing to anyone, because they were afraid.' The short version added in later on is: 'Then they quickly reported all these instructions to those around Peter. After this, Jesus himself also sent out through them from east to west the sacred and imperishable proclamation of eternal salvation. Amen.' This kind of textual corruption also is found in, for example, the Lord's Prayer where 'For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever and ever. Amen.' which does not appear in any of these early manuscripts shows up a couple of centuries later. There is also the synoptic problem. Historians and Biblical scholars seem mostly in agreement that Mark is the earliest of the Gospels (though some of the letters of Paul are earlier). That sections of Mark are copied verbatim or almost verbatim in Matthew and Luke means these are not independent accounts. There is also another source for Matthew and Luke called 'Q' which contains the sayings of Jesus, and Papyrus Oxyrhynchus 1 (early half of the 3rd century) and the Gospel of Thomas also contain sayings of Jesus. The date of the Gospel of Thomas is in dispute, one group of scholars argue for somewhere between 50 and 100 CE and others for some time in the 2nd century. These writings are more Gnostic in inclination, but also seem to have an slant that is more in line with what Maharishi teaches. If you look at the way the TM movement revises and changes texts today, you can imagine that in that period of early Christianity, about which most information is really lost, how different segments of the growing community of Christians would copy, preserve and sometimes enhance what came before them. There are glaring contradictions between different versions of the tale, which indicates we do not have the original story. Religions tend to be based on faith (which is pretending to know things that one does not actually know, in other words, belief without any factual evidence) and have a message that spreads those empirically deficient thoughts to others. It is even possible that Jesus never existed as an historical person, though a very definite personality seems to come through the fog of history. There are no contemporary references to him, except for a short passage in the history of Flavius Josephus which is universally regarded as an interpolation by scholars (and even the Catholic Church) due to its being unconnected to the material that surrounds it, and in a different style. There is no evidence of just about everyone who lived in the first century Some of the letters of Paul (about half of them), considered the earliest Christian writings, interestingly speaks of Jesus, of Christ, as a spiritual force rather than as a person, that is, as something that could be experienced rather than merely believed, but this is looking at his writings from a more gnostic point of view, the gnostic viewpoint being the main competition to what now survives as Christianity. The other half of the letters of Paul are in dispute that he was the author. The authors of the Gospels are also unknown, but attributions of course are now tightly affixed to each one.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: New Year Pickens for FFL Netflixers
They're always doing that. Content Management 101: some Netflix titles are products of a contract with major studios which are set to expire at a certain date. If the studio execs feel the deal was worthwhile they will renew. And sometimes expiring titles show up again the next week after Judy, the office intern, gets yelled at by the boss for not reinstating the title on Netflix. :-D On 01/01/2014 12:48 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: FWIW, at the same time they deleted 85 films. List here: http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/happy-streamageddon-eve-why-85-movies-will-vanish-from-netflix-at-midnight Netflix added a lot of titles today. Some oldies but goodies and a few more recent selections including the final season of Dexter. There are lots of 1980s film if you want to take a virtual time machine back to the teased hair days. http://instantwatcher.com/titles/new/1 (There are 4 pages overall).
[FairfieldLife] RE: The Gospel Of Jesus' Wife
Re "rites included ritually kissing the anus of a cat": I hope novices were told in advance what to expect when they joined rather than finding out having spent decades working their way up the hierarchy.
[FairfieldLife] RE: New Year Pickens for FFL Netflixers
FWIW, at the same time they deleted 85 films. List here: http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/happy-streamageddon-eve-why-85-movies-will-vanish-from-netflix-at-midnight http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/happy-streamageddon-eve-why-85-movies-will-vanish-from-netflix-at-midnight Netflix added a lot of titles today. Some oldies but goodies and a few more recent selections including the final season of Dexter. There are lots of 1980s film if you want to take a virtual time machine back to the teased hair days. http://instantwatcher.com/titles/new/1 http://instantwatcher.com/titles/new/1 (There are 4 pages overall).
[FairfieldLife] RE: MMY's Adwaita
Re "When you add in Iamblicus’s idea that humans were so fallen they couldn’t return to the gods by theoria (thus needing theurgic erôs/philia": Presumably that was based on his own experience and observation of his fellow Platonists' struggles. Not so different to Indian ideas about the kali yuga and so us needing some kick-arse tantric techniques to liven us up. Re " theologians used Platonic themes to advance their cause because Christianity was bereft of any substantive content in itself.": Because Christianity isn't a philosophy its a "Way". They used contemporary Platonic categories in the same way a modern theologian would use scientific terms. Re "Nice that you even know about the Platonic tradition.": Yes, it was coming across excerpts in anthologies of Stephen MacKenna's acclaimed translation of the Enneads that intrigued me. (Ie, it was a *literary* thing.) The later Neos like Proclus and Iamblichus are unreadable except by professors in ivory towers. Have you read "Plotinus or the Simplicity of Vision" by Pierre Hadot? Aimed at the layman and grounded in spiritual experience (not getting tied up in conceptual knots).
[FairfieldLife] Wovon man nicht sprechen kann...
...darueber muss man schweigen? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57PWqFowq-4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57PWqFowq-4
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
Yes, maybe the angels watched, but we were really talking about human beings. And I've never disputed that Mary Magdalene was the first human to see the risen Christ according to Matthew, Mark, and John--but not Luke. So Richard was wrong about Luke (until he changed "see" to "realize" and pretended that's what he'd been saying all along). And again, there was never a disagreement about Mary M. having been first to see the risen Christ according to the other three Gospels, so Richard wasn't "right" about that if you're implying that means I was wrong. I guess it's too much to expect that you would acknowledge that this whole fuss has been a matter of Richard's trolling and lying. But thanks at least for confirming that the risen Christ "hovering" was something Richard made up. << Having read the gospel excerpts, I even wonder if Mary M was the first to see the risen Christ. Maybe the angel at His tomb was the first to see Him. Anyway, I think you are right that risen in terms of the resurrection does not mean hovering. And I think Richard is right in that Mary M was the first human to see the risen Christ. >> On Wednesday, January 1, 2014 1:20 PM, "authfriend@..." wrote: As you know, she was a witness to the risen Christ, not to the resurrection itself. Nobody saw that. << what you should have put in red was that Luke wasn't at the resurrection >> > Neither was anybody else. > In the Gospel of John, Mary Magdalene "...is recorded as the first witness of Jesus' resurrection (John 20:14–16); (Mark 16:9 later manuscripts)." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Mary http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Mary
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Scientific Breakthroughs of 2013
LOL, Seraphita! How those K people ever got famous is something I will never understand as long as I live! On Tuesday, December 31, 2013 9:51 PM, "s3raph...@yahoo.com" wrote: Another possibility is that aliens have picked up our transmissions of "Keeping Up with the Kardashians" and are avoiding us like we avoid vacationing in Detroit or Newark.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
Having read the gospel excerpts, I even wonder if Mary M was the first to see the risen Christ. Maybe the angel at His tomb was the first to see Him. Anyway, I think you are right that risen in terms of the resurrection does not mean hovering. And I think Richard is right in that Mary M was the first human to see the risen Christ. On Wednesday, January 1, 2014 1:20 PM, "authfri...@yahoo.com" wrote: As you know, she was a witness to the risen Christ, not to the resurrection itself. Nobody saw that. << what you should have put in red was that Luke wasn't at the >resurrection >> > Neither was anybody else. >> >In the Gospel of John, Mary Magdalene "...is recorded as the first witness of Jesus' resurrection (John 20:14–16); (Mark 16:9 later manuscripts)." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Mary
[FairfieldLife] RE: Maharishi Patanjali Ashtanga Yoga
And a Happy New Year to you too Dr. D !
Re: [FairfieldLife] 2 + 0 + 1 + 4 = 7
Edg, according to Vedic Numerology, the number 7 is associated with Ketu, the Dragon's Tail. Ketu has to do with detachment and liberation. Ketu is currently transiting the first sign of the zodiac, Aries, which is ruled by Mars in both jyotish and Western. Aries has to do with the self. Perhaps the presence of Ketu there indicates liberation of the self. On Wednesday, January 1, 2014 12:45 PM, Duveyoung wrote: Anyone want to make a big deal about the new year given it's numerological value?
[FairfieldLife] RE: Maharishi Patanjali Ashtanga Yoga
Thank you! He explains it all beautifully, and succinctly. Happy New Year!!
[FairfieldLife] RE: The Gospel Of Jesus' Wife
> Most recently, Dan Brown's novel "The Da Vinci Code" depicted > Jesus as being married to Mary Magdalene. > It's interesting that Bernard of Clairvaux, the founder of the Templers Rule, was devoted to the Magdalene and to the Black Madonna. Bernard commended the knights to the 'Obedience of Bethany', the castle of Mary and Martha. Bernard is also noted as the founder of the Blessed Virgin Mary at Notre Dame (Our Lady) -, Magdalene. The Templers oath was to 'God and Our Lady', not to the Virgin, but to the Magdalene. The Templers were preoccupied with the idea of the feminine mystery! According to Wasserman, twelfth-century enemies of the Cathars believed their rites included ritually kissing the anus of a cat, in which form Lucifer was said to appear. Toward the end of the twelfth-century, the Cathars were also slandered by the term bougre, from "Bulgaria," known to be the source of their heresy. Later the word came to mean "sodomite" and is the root of the British slang bugger and buggery." Work cited: "The Templars and the Assassins" by James Wasserman Inner Traditions, 2001 p. 193
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Get Your Ducks in a Row
<< Mary Magdalene was the first to see the risen Christ. "All the four gospels agree on this: Matthew 28:1, Mark 16:1, Luke 24:10, and John 20:1." Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Magdalene http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Magdalene >> Sorry, but that isn't a quote from that Wikipedia page, as you know. And all four Gospels, as you know, do NOT agree that Mary M. was first to see the risen Christ, just Matthew, Mark, and John.
[FairfieldLife] All About the Fighting Ascetics of India
*An attack by some naked Naga sadhus in Haridwar!* The last Kumbh festival of this century is over, but not the war between the Shankaracharyas of Jyotipeeth here. There are three of them claiming that seat, established by Adi Shankaracharya who, in the eighth century, walked all the way from his village Kalari, in Kerala, to the Himalayas to meditate under a mulberry tree here to obtain enlightenment, bring to an end through discourse the influence and control of Buddhism on the life of the Indian people and revive Hinduism. According to what I've read, India is just teeming with fighting ascetics. Go figure. "During the Kumbh of 2002, on the big bathing day of March 28, Shankaracharya Swami Madhavashram was badly injured in an attack by some naked Naga sadhus in Haridwar. One of his followers reported the attack to the police and complained that it was provoked by a rival Shankaracharya, Swami Vasudevanand. A few days later Swami Vasudevanand applied for and obtained an anticipatory bail from the Allahabad High Court until the next month. Swami Madhavashram, whose body is in plaster and bandages, told Press persons that he had been receiving threatening phone calls from followers of the other two claimants to the seat. The callers had threatened to kill him soon, he added. Meanwhile, the people of Joshimath, where the high religious seat is located, have decided that the issue must not been resolved through attacks, but by a contest in religious discourse between them before men of highest religious learning, who would then pronounce their verdict. The one who is finally adjudged to be possessing greater knowledge would then be made the Shankaracharya of Jyotispeeth. In Varanasi (Kashi), the city of religious learning, the Vidwat Parishad, or the Council of the Enlightened, met some days ago and, according to its spokesperson Shivji Upadhyaya, passed a resolution condemning the attack on Swami Madhavashram, whom it called the Jyotipeeth Shankaracharya. He said the Council did not accept the claim of Swami Swaroopanand who had declared himself as the Shankaracharya of both Jyotipeeth and Dwarkapeeth. According to the instructions left by the first Shankaracharya contained in documented Shankar-Digvijaya, one person cannot be the Shankaracharya of two "peeths" (seats). In that order, a religious leader who has traveled abroad and taken un-sanctified food there, can also not occupy any Shankaracharya seat. Swami Vasudevanand has travelled to China, Russia and several African and European countries. In a separate statement, president of the Parishad, Ram Prasad Tripathi called for the immediate arrest of those involved in the attack on Swami Madhavashram. The conflict over the Jyotipeeth is almost 25-year-old. But physical fights between the followers of the Shankaracharyas had stopped some five years ago until the Haridwar attack. The Jyotipeeth seat had remained vacant for 165 years, until late 1940s, because of the difficulty for a Shankaracharya to walk all the way up to Joshimath. Then, with the help of the Parishad, Swami Brahmanand, a revered North Indian sadhu was consecrated as the Shankaracharya of Jyotispeeth. He passed away in 1953, after which a struggle broke out for the seat. His disciple Swami Shantanand claimed that his predecessor had left a written will nominating him, and subsequently his followers declared him the Shankaracharya at a ceremony in Varanasi on June 8, 1953. But two other sadhus, also mentioned in the will, refused to accept him. So, on June 26, 1953, Swami Krishna Bodhashram was anointed as the Shankaracharya of Jyotipeeth by learned men in Varanasi. He did not survive long, and in 1972, Swami Swaroopanand succeeded him. Meanwhile, Swami Shantanand had gone and taken over the property donated by the people of Joshimath to the Shankaracharya. Swami Swaroopanand, on being consecrated, proceeded to Joshimath and with his lathi-wielding followers tried to take over the property, which included a large building called Math and a fruit garden around it. Fights broke out with guns and lathis, in which Swami Shantanand and his men won and he remained in control. Swami Swaroopanand bought some land a little below the original seat area and built a larger Math of his own on it. In early 1980s Swami Swaroopanand became the Shankaracharya of the Dwarakapeeth also. Soon afterwards, the Parishad and others asked him to choose to remain the Shankaracharya of only one of the peeths and give up the other. He did not do so, and in 1993, the Council of Learned Men in Varanasi made Swami Madhavashram the Shankaracharya of Jyotipeeth. In the 1,200 year history of the Shankaracharya order, he is the first person from the hills to be placed on that seat. As a result, there is great sympathy and support for him in the region. Swami Shantanand, meanwhile, abdicated and placed his disciple Swami Vishnudevanand on the seat. He lasted only a few years and willed that Swami Vasudevanand be his
Re: [FairfieldLife] 2 + 0 + 1 + 4 = 7
And all bets are off if there is another major earthquake at Fukushima: http://www.vice.com/read/these-nuclear-physicists-think-david-suzuki-is-exaggerating-about-fukushima On 01/01/2014 11:17 AM, Bhairitu wrote: According to many economists this will be the year the banksters tell we all must pay their gambling debts. Tell them to fuck off. On 01/01/2014 10:51 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: its a big deal that we are all alive and still breathing - that's about all the significance I give the numbers game
[FairfieldLife] Ayahuasca and Psychedelics as Potential Catalysts for Personal and Planetary Evolution - Buddha at the Gas Pump
http://batgap.com/ayahuasca-psyschedelics/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
As you know, she was a witness to the risen Christ, not to the resurrection itself. Nobody saw that. << what you should have put in red was that Luke wasn't at the resurrection >> > Neither was anybody else. > In the Gospel of John, Mary Magdalene "...is recorded as the first witness of Jesus' resurrection (John 20:14–16); (Mark 16:9 later manuscripts)." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Mary http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Mary
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
As you know, it was never in question that this is what Matthew, Mark, and John report. No "established, finally" in this discussion. It was "established" a very long time ago. << > As you know, it was never in question that this is what Matthew, Mark, > and John report (although Mark and John do not include James's mother; > it's only Mary M. who sees him). No "finally established" about it in > this discussion. > Let me rephrase what I previously posted: Mary Magdalene was the first person to see the risen Christ. So, it has been established, finally. >>
Re: [FairfieldLife] 2 + 0 + 1 + 4 = 7
According to many economists this will be the year the banksters tell we all must pay their gambling debts. Tell them to fuck off. On 01/01/2014 10:51 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: its a big deal that we are all alive and still breathing - that's about all the significance I give the numbers game
[FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
You declared your zero interest yet you read the post and thus your mind is now boggled. You called it "a waste of life" - thus admitting to wasting your life by reading it. "Dueling Egos" need to be occupied to maintain a sense of worth. Don't discourage them from frivolous pursuits. It keeps the kids entertained so the adults can talk.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
On 1/1/2014 11:49 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: > But I'd be willing to bet quite a substantial sum of money that > Share will still not acknowledge that Richard has been trolling > and lying throughout the discussion. > How much would you be willing to wager? You being a non-believer, your wager won't mean much anyway. In my case, my ancestor, Roger Williams, established the Baptist church in America, at Plymouth Plantation. So I'd say i would be knowing more about Christianity than yourself. And, I come from a long family of Baptists - my uncle was a pastor and I spent years discussing the Bible with him. You on the other hand are the daughter of a liberal who probably never set a foot inside a Christian church. Go figure. According to what I've been told, in Christianity believers in the resurrection will themselves be resurrected from the dead and will rise up into spiritual bodies at the Last Judgement. In the fifteenth chapter of the First Epistle to the Corinthians (Corinthians: 15) is based on events that were told to Paul by way of the apostles when he was in Jerusalem, only two years after the resurrection. "The first eleven verses are the earliest account of the Resurrection appearances of Jesus in the New Testament. For Christians who believe in the resurection are saved. " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1_Corinthians_15
[FairfieldLife] RE: Radical Transcendentalism, Maharishi Waging Peace World Wide
Paper 98 Improved Quality of Life Through The Transcendental Meditation Program: Decreased Crime Rate Paper 98 Introduction In 1960 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, founder of the Transcendental Meditation program, predicted that a transition in society toward a more orderly and harmonious functioning would occur when a small fraction -on the order of one percent- of a population practiced the Transcendental Meditation technique (6), and in December 1974 we found that crime rate did decrease in four midwestern U.S. Cities in which one percent of the population was practicing the TM technique. Scientific Research on the Transcendental Meditation Program Collected Papers, Volume I, 1977 Editors, Orme-Johnson Farrow pp 727 In the East China Sea, in very practical terms I should really quite like to see a well formed coalition made of the United Nations Peace-keepers immediately handling the logistics of a landing of teams of AFSC Quakers as experienced mediators of conflict and meditators from the Global Country of World Peace in field effect as a joint peace-making task-force. In coalition of peace-keeping make a landing now on some island rock between them countries all for a residence of coherence mediation meditation. It is high time to attack the incoherence there directly with a much more aggressive mediation of transcending meditation. -Buck Revolution now! It is high time we claim our revolutionary heritage back from the Movement's suits. As meditators we need to take our cause with peace directly to the barricades again; the need be here in this world today that we deploy now and lay siege with meditation even to the Great Walls of China in that troubled incoherent part of the world. It is time for great spiritual and scientific revolutionary action of mediation meditation everywhere. If they won't let us in to Red China to meditate a mediation with peace there then, occupy their Great Wall. Garrison their block houses with meditation. !Occupy Now! Revolution: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH9zG28GQEg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH9zG28GQEg Police in China's restive Xinjiang region have shot dead eight people during a violent clash on Monday http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-25546531 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-25546531 The East China Sea is an ideal location to wage peace from now. It is time to occupy the whole region with peace. Surround the place with meditation. We need mediators, meditators, and peace-keepers there now. Quakers as mediators, mediators from the Global Country of World Peace, and the United Nations Peace-keepers for logistics. What are the TM Rajas doing about peace there? -Buck Japan's Prime Minister, Shinzo Abe's visit to the Yasukuni shrine has angered many in China and South Korea http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-25524559 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-25524559 From quite early on Maharishi Mahesh Yogi employed the radical direct action of groups meditating deployed in field effect as like the Meissner Effect of consciousness mediation of meditation as then even in 1962 meditating a peaceful resolution to the Cuban Missile crisis of 1962. Maharishi called for group meditations at that time to avert the critical danger of incoherence the world was suffering in at that moment in time. In a move of scientific radical peace-activism Maharishi lead group meditations against the turmoil in the world then. To his transcendental mediation we look back at it now as The Cuban missile crisis of 1962. Radicalism 1962, Radical Peace and The 1962 Cuban missile crisis: As a 20th Century revolutionary in radical peaceful affect, a prominent millenarian of his age, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi was boundlessly persistent, constant and consistent in his coming out of India going around the world in peace activism of direct-action through introducing and inciting the mediation for peaceful resolution of world conflict by the effect of group meditation. Revolution: Maharishi's formula to change the world Waging Radical Peace, Maharishi 1983. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6lCNQ9DTOY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6lCNQ9DTOY Radical Transcendentalism, It is quite time to own being peace-revolutionaries; it is quite time to own being radicals of direct-action in mediation of meditation as Maharishi's TM revolutionary peace-activists. -Buck in the Dome Deploying Radical Peace, Maharishi 1967: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3qOxNjNms0&list=PL6468F67BE38B5F92 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3qOxNjNms0&list=PL6468F67BE38B5F92 Look this ain't just some theory or theology of peace. This is practical science that should be public policy everywhere today. This is peace-activism as direct-action; disciplined practicum as mediation and practical in the world. Deeply spiritual and scie
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
On 1/1/2014 11:46 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: > this isn't about "opinion," but about fact: What does the Bible actually say? > The important question is what did Mary see and what did he say to the Apostles? The Bible doesn't say exactly what Mary said, but according to the Gospel of Mary what she saw was the spirit of Jesus in a vision, now the Christ, whose soul had risen from the dead. According to Mary: "I saw the Lord in a vision and I said to him, ‘Lord, I saw you today in a vision.’" He answered and said to me: “Blessed are you, that you did not waver at the sight of me. For where the mind is, there is the treasure." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Mary
[FairfieldLife] RE: The Origin of MIU / MUM
MIU owes its knowledge, strength, and inspiration to the wisdom of Maharishi , the founder of the university. In 1958, Maharishi first introduced to the West Transcendental Meditation and the knowledge of the Science of Creative Intelligence, and this technique and knowledge were spread throughout the world by several organizations under the inspiration of Maharishi: Students International Meditation Society (SIMS), International Meditation Society (IMS), Spiritual Regeneration Movement (SRM), International Foundation for the Science of creative Intelligence (IFSCI). By 1972, more than two hundred thousand students in the United States had participated in this educational program and by 1973, more than 14,000 people were beginning SCI programs every month. The first credit-bearing course in the Science of Creative Intelligence was offered at Stanford University in 1970 and was attended by over three hundred fifty students. The response was so promising that similar credited courses have been offered at more than thirty American universities since that time including Yale, Harvard, and the University of California at Berkeley. The profound benefits of the knowledge and practice of the Science of Creative Intelligence as experienced by hundreds of thousands of individuals throughout the world and the validation of these benefits by physiological, psychological, and sociological research conducted at leading universities and research institutes have provided a vision of possibility for the fulfillment of education systems in all part of the world. Responsible individuals, organizations, and governments throughout the world continue to make great efforts to provide the best possible education for each new generation. But in spite of all sincerity and dedicated effort, two facts signal a basic lack of success universally experienced: first, suffering continues in society, and second, dissatisfaction among youth is a common phenomenon almost everywhere. Education everywhere deals with similar classes of knowledge -science, arts, humanities. As long as the same knowledge is taught, the same results must be expected. Innovation in teaching techniques alone will not resolve the universal problems of education. As Maharishi says, only a new seed will yield a new crop. Some new field of knowledge must be added to education to make it complete. MIU fulfills the need of education by providing a systematic study of intelligence and simultaneously promotes the growth of the knower along with the growth of knowledge. The study of intelligence integrated with the study of every discipline enriches and completes the range of every discipline, structures the home of all knowledge in the awareness of the student, and thus offers the solution to the pressing problems of modern education. Pages 26-7, founding Catalog of Maharishi International University, 1974
Re: [FairfieldLife] 2 + 0 + 1 + 4 = 7
its a big deal that we are all alive and still breathing - that's about all the significance I give the numbers game On Wed, 1/1/14, Duveyoung wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] 2 + 0 + 1 + 4 = 7 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 1, 2014, 6:45 PM Anyone want to make a big deal about the new year given it's numerological value?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
On 1/1/2014 11:42 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: > << what you should have put in red was that Luke wasn't at the resurrection >> > Neither was anybody else. > In the Gospel of John, Mary Magdalene "...is recorded as the first witness of Jesus' resurrection (John 20:14–16); (Mark 16:9 later manuscripts)." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Mary
[FairfieldLife] 2 + 0 + 1 + 4 = 7
Anyone want to make a big deal about the new year given it's numerological value?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
On 1/1/2014 11:34 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: > As you know, it was never in question that this is what Matthew, Mark, > and John report (although Mark and John do not include James's mother; > it's only Mary M. who sees him). No "finally established" about it in > this discussion. > Let me rephrase what I previously posted: Mary Magdalene was the first person to see the risen Christ. So, it has been established, finally.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
On 1/1/2014 11:20 AM, Share Long wrote: > I admit to very much enjoying the semantics of it all. > According to Paul, after the resurrection the risen Christ was seen above five hundred brethren all at once, floating in the sky. "The Conversion of Paul the Apostle, was, according to the New Testament, an event that took place in the life of Paul the Apostle which led him to cease persecuting early Christians and to become a follower of Jesus. It is normally dated by researchers to AD 33–36." "As he neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him. He fell to the ground and heard a voice..." - Acts 9:3–9 (NIV) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_of_Paul_the_Apostle
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Get Your Ducks in a Row
On 1/1/2014 11:14 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: > think you're taking it all too seriously. No one else > here is, except maybe Ricky. > Apparently Judy has learned nothing from her years as a TMer Siddha. Everyone knows that the soul or the spirit can transcend the gross body and lift up and fly or hover above the ground. A Siddha can become light as cotton fiber, as light as a feather and float up into the air at will and wave arms and hands and do all sorts of things. That's just what siddhas do. Mary Magdalene was the first to see the risen Christ. "All the four gospels agree on this: Matthew 28:1, Mark 16:1, Luke 24:10, and John 20:1." Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Magdalene
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
On 1/1/2014 11:12 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: > I guess it's just what some people think of as "fun," but > personally I can find zero interest in any of this > Now this is funny - a guy that claims to have read over 200 books on the Cathars isn't interested in the Cathar legend of Mary Magdalene. So much for our expert on the Cathars. Go figure. Lagudedoc was also home to the Knights Templers in Europe. It's interesting that Bernard of Clairvaux, the founder of the Templers Rule, was devoted to the Magdalene and to the Black Madonna. Bernard commended the knights to the 'obedience of Bethany', the castle of Mary and Martha. Bernard is also noted as the founder of the Blessed Virgin Mary at Notre Dame (Our Lady), i.e., Magdalene. The Templers oath was to 'God and Our Lady', not to the Virgin, but to the Magdalene. The Templers were preoccupied with the idea of the feminine mystery!
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Get Your Ducks in a Row
On 1/1/2014 10:46 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: > Except for Luke, of course. In Luke, the risen Jesus appears first > to two of the disciples (men) on the road to Emmaus. > Apparently Luke was a non-believer in Mary's message. Luke 24:9-11 says: "When (the women) came back from the tomb, they told all these things to the Eleven and to all the others. It was Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James, and the others with them who told this to the apostles. But they did not believe the women, because their words seemed to them like nonsense". That three of the Gospels portray Mary Magdalene as the first to see Jesus post-death, is generally considered to be of significance.
[FairfieldLife] RE: MMY's Adwaita
The Seraph sez: Yes, but the Christian theologians were indebted to the Neoplatonists, especially the divine Plotinus and Iamblichus. Emptybill sez: The doctrine of the Trinity was decided by decree not by philosophic analysis. The Platonists (nothing neo about them) set the stage for the Christian theologians. However, Platonism is based upon theoria (contemplation), an idea having profound impact on Western traditions. Plato described it as an ascent to the realm of the Real to unite the soul with the Intelligibles (eide) via the helmsman (kubernêtês) of the Phaedrus. Iamblicus (contra Porphyry) defined the path as occurring via theurgic noêsis, the act of a god knowing itself through the activity and medium of a soul. Iamblicus explained the helmsman as a witness (skt.sakshin) or spectator (theatê) of the supercelestial realm. The helmsman’s purpose is not to gaze upon an “other” but to unite with a god. When you add in Iamblicus’s idea that humans were so fallen they couldn’t return to the gods by theoria (thus needing theurgic erôs/philia to unite them) you have the seed-bed for the deformation of Platonism by the Christians. When Constantine instituted and favored Christianity, the stage was set for the rages of the monastic mobs against the “pagans/heathens” and their temples. The fact that influential theologians used Platonic themes to advance their cause is because Christianity (the religion of women and slaves) was bereft of any substantive content in itself. Platonism was the foundation of every form of intelligent understanding in the ancient world. It threaded the Western world until the 1960’s anarchists and their current psuchophantic slaves in academia usurped it. Nice that you even know about the Platonic tradition. I might recommend Paulina Remes’ excellent book Neoplatonism for a well-rounded and lucid presentation of the ideas and impact of “Neoplatonism”. For Iamblicus, no one is better than Gregory Shaw, whose book Theurgy and the Soul is a ground-breaking study of the theurgy of Iamblicus. He also has a great article demonstrating the direct influence of Proclus upon the theology of Dionysius the Areopagite. Gregory Shaw was invited to give the Thomas Taylor Lecture, “Platonic Tantra: the Theurgists of Late Antiquity,” at the Prometheus Trust Conference: Philosophy: restoring the soul in Wilshire, UK, June 2013.
[FairfieldLife] Movie: Water, The Great Mystery Friday Jan. 3rd 7:30pm @ Dana's
From: Dana Brekke [mailto:danabre...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 2:49 PM To: A Brekke Subject: Movie: Water, The Great Mystery Friday Jan. 3rd 7:30pm @ Dana's Dear Ones, This film has been life-changing for me. Friday night I'm sharing it with a couple of friends who have expressed an interest. We can seat about a dozen people in the basement theatre. Call or e-mail to reserve your spot. Happy New Year! Dana http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBbLgyNDeJQ For those of you who can't join us, you can watch it online at: http://documentaryheaven.com/water-the-great-mystery/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
But I'd be willing to bet quite a substantial sum of money that Share will still not acknowledge that Richard has been trolling and lying throughout the discussion. Right, Share? Sorta like you refuse to acknowledge your falsehoods about my September 2012 post. << turq, I admit to very much enjoying the semantics of it all. >>
[FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
<< I have to think that what's going on is dueling egos -- "*My* opinion about this fictional story is RIGHT, and all others are WRONG." What a waste of life... >> FWIW, this isn't about "opinion," but about fact: What does the Bible actually say? Since we know what the Bible says, It's a very stupid argument, no question about it. I've been pursuing it to demonstrate Richard's trolling and lying, and he's been performing brilliantly.
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi Patanjali Ashtanga Yoga
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqfs24_2SvY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqfs24_2SvY
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
<< > Yes, that is why I had to put it in pink. Excitement from Ricky > deserves a little blush. >>This, as Richard knows, is with reference to his > error about the Ascension taking place 40 years after the > resurrection--i.e., nothing to do with what he goes on to say. << what you should have put in red was that Luke wasn't at the resurrection >> Neither was anybody else. << so he was told by Mary about it. Even if Luke didn't mention Mary by name the other apostles said it was Mary that first told them about the resurrection, nobody else is mentioned in the Gospels as telling the apostles about the risen Christ - only Mary. >> Non sequitur. Nobody was disputing this. << She told them about the resurrection having witnessed it - nobody else witnessed the resurrection but Mary, according to the Gospels. >> She didn't witness the actual resurrection, just the risen Christ after the resurrection. << Now we have finally got all our ducks in a row: almost everyone knows about Mary Magdalene being the first to tell the apostles about the risen Christ >> Again, non seqitur. Nobody ever disputed this. No "finally" about it. << except Ann. Go figure. >> I don't think Ann disputes this either.
[FairfieldLife] New Year Pickens for FFL Netflixers
Netflix added a lot of titles today. Some oldies but goodies and a few more recent selections including the final season of Dexter. There are lots of 1980s film if you want to take a virtual time machine back to the teased hair days. http://instantwatcher.com/titles/new/1 (There are 4 pages overall).
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
<< So, it has finally been established that Mary Magdalene was the first to see the risen Christ along with James' mother. >> As you know, it was never in question that this is what Matthew, Mark, and John report (although Mark and John do not include James's mother; it's only Mary M. who sees him). No "finally established" about it in this discussion.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Holding back
<< You know what I think part of the problem might be, is that for me, it is "just a chat room", and so I enjoy it on that basis. Now Judy doesn't like that term. For her it something more formal. Not really. It's a different format. And forums, as opposed to chat rooms, usually have archives. So inaccuracies, intentional or otherwise, are more or less engraved in stone unless they're corrected. << Now, nobody likes, or abides lies. Okay, that's a given. >> Again, unfortunately, not really. Folks here have abided Barry's lies for years. << But how in the hell, can someone find so many lies in what other people post, day after day, month after month, year after year >> It's really only a few people who do this, but they do it consistently over time. That can mount up to a large number of lies by frequent posters. << Something wrong there I think. And do you think, that, just maybe, many or most of those "lies" may just be differences of opinion? >> With regard to what I characterize as lies, no, they aren't just "differences of opinion." That's Barry's perennial charge, but it's a dishonest one. << Talk about a week blanket! >> A what?? << And I can't tell you how many times Judy has missed irony in other's postings! >> Steve is somehow never able to cite examples when he makes one of these charges. << Bob, hate to the one to break the news to you, but that says something about a person's state of mind. >> If true, that is. << I've just been reading through them, and I think he is a really funny guy. And another confession, I've had a few off forum discussions with Share, and I think she is a awesome lady. >> I agree on this last, although probably for different reasons than you.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
On 1/1/2014 9:24 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: > The points in dispute are, or were, his original claim that Mary M. > was "the first to see the Jesus rise up into the sky" > Obviously Judy wasn't there at the resurrection and so she doesn't know what Mary saw. All Judy knows is what she reads in the Bible and even that doesn't make much sense. Apparently Judy hasn't even read the Gospel According to Mary. Go figure. Richard said Mary Magdalene saw a spirit in the sky, just like Paul on the road to Damascus saw the risen Christ up in the sky. It makes sense when you think about it. Spirits can fly around all over the place. The risen Christ flew down toward Damascus to meet Paul on the road. According to what I've read, after the resurrection the risen Christ was seen above five hundred brethren all at once, floating in the .Where is Robin when we need him? "The Conversion of Paul the Apostle, was, according to the New Testament, an event that took place in the life of Paul the Apostle which led him to cease persecuting early Christians and to become a follower of Jesus. It is normally dated by researchers to AD 33–36. "As he neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him. He fell to the ground and heard a voice..." - Acts 9:3–9 (NIV)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
turq, I admit to very much enjoying the semantics of it all. But that might be because Mercury and Jupiter are aspecting each other (-: Happy, Healthy, Prosperous 2014! On Wednesday, January 1, 2014 11:12 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" wrote: > > Yes, he meant 40 days until the Ascension. > > So, it has finally been established that Mary Magdalene was the first to > see the risen Christ along with James' mother. There may have been > others who were with Mary at the empty tomb, but the risen Christ > appeared to Mary first and then to James' mother. So, the two went to > the apostles and told them they had seen the risen Christ. None of the > Apostles were present to see the empty tomb for themselves. They were > told about it by Mary, the first to see the miracle of the resurrection. I guess it's just what some people think of as "fun," but personally I can find zero interest in any of this. To me it's like hearing a bunch of people debating a nitpicky plot point in "The Lord Of The Rings," as if their opinion *mattered*, or as if the nitpick about a work of fiction *mattered*. The Bible is arguably *just* as fictional. It's as silly as people talking about similarly nitpicky plot points in the Bhagavad-Gita, *also* a work of fiction. It boggles my mind that people can debate it as if it weren't. I have to think that what's going on is dueling egos -- "*My* opinion about this fictional story is RIGHT, and all others are WRONG." What a waste of life...
[FairfieldLife] RE: Radical Transcendentalism, Maharishi Waging Peace World Wide
Paper 98 Introduction In 1960 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, founder of the Transcendental Meditation program, predicted that a transition in society toward a more orderly and harmonious functioning would occur when a small fraction -on the order of one percent- of a population practiced the Transcendental Meditation technique (6), and in December 1974 we found that crime rate did decrease in four midwestern U.S. Cities in which one percent of the population was practicing the TM technique. Scientific Research on the Transcendental Meditation Program Collected Papers, Volume I, 1977 Editors, Orme-Johnson Farrow pp 727 In the East China Sea, in very practical terms I should really quite like to see a well formed coalition made of the United Nations Peace-keepers immediately handling the logistics of a landing of teams of AFSC Quakers as experienced mediators of conflict and meditators from the Global Country of World Peace in field effect as a joint peace-making task-force. In coalition of peace-keeping make a landing now on some island rock between them countries all for a residence of coherence mediation meditation. It is high time to attack the incoherence there directly with a much more aggressive mediation of transcending meditation. -Buck Revolution now! It is high time we claim our revolutionary heritage back from the Movement's suits. As meditators we need to take our cause with peace directly to the barricades again; the need be here in this world today that we deploy now and lay siege with meditation even to the Great Walls of China in that troubled incoherent part of the world. It is time for great spiritual and scientific revolutionary action of mediation meditation everywhere. If they won't let us in to Red China to meditate a mediation with peace there then, occupy their Great Wall. Garrison their block houses with meditation. !Occupy Now! Revolution: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH9zG28GQEg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH9zG28GQEg Police in China's restive Xinjiang region have shot dead eight people during a violent clash on Monday http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-25546531 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-25546531 The East China Sea is an ideal location to wage peace from now. It is time to occupy the whole region with peace. Surround the place with meditation. We need mediators, meditators, and peace-keepers there now. Quakers as mediators, mediators from the Global Country of World Peace, and the United Nations Peace-keepers for logistics. What are the TM Rajas doing about peace there? -Buck Japan's Prime Minister, Shinzo Abe's visit to the Yasukuni shrine has angered many in China and South Korea http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-25524559 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-25524559 From quite early on Maharishi Mahesh Yogi employed the radical direct action of groups meditating deployed in field effect as like the Meissner Effect of consciousness mediation of meditation as then even in 1962 meditating a peaceful resolution to the Cuban Missile crisis of 1962. Maharishi called for group meditations at that time to avert the critical danger of incoherence the world was suffering in at that moment in time. In a move of scientific radical peace-activism Maharishi lead group meditations against the turmoil in the world then. To his transcendental mediation we look back at it now as The Cuban missile crisis of 1962. Radicalism 1962, Radical Peace and The 1962 Cuban missile crisis: As a 20th Century revolutionary in radical peaceful affect, a prominent millenarian of his age, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi was boundlessly persistent, constant and consistent in his coming out of India going around the world in peace activism of direct-action through introducing and inciting the mediation for peaceful resolution of world conflict by the effect of group meditation. Revolution: Maharishi's formula to change the world Waging Radical Peace, Maharishi 1983. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6lCNQ9DTOY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6lCNQ9DTOY Radical Transcendentalism, It is quite time to own being peace-revolutionaries; it is quite time to own being radicals of direct-action in mediation of meditation as Maharishi's TM revolutionary peace-activists. -Buck in the Dome Deploying Radical Peace, Maharishi 1967: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3qOxNjNms0&list=PL6468F67BE38B5F92 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3qOxNjNms0&list=PL6468F67BE38B5F92 Look this ain't just some theory or theology of peace. This is practical science that should be public policy everywhere today. This is peace-activism as direct-action; disciplined practicum as mediation and practical in the world. Deeply spiritual and scientific at the same time. Only ignorant science-haters can deny the facts of peace-making now. It is time to d
[FairfieldLife] RE: Radical Transcendentalism, Maharishi Waging Peace World Wide
Paper 98 Introduction In 1960 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, founder of the Transcendental Meditation program, predicted that a transition in society toward a more orderly and harmonious functioning would occur when a small fraction -on the order of one percent- of a population practiced the Transcendental Meditation technique (6), and in December 1974 we found that crime rate did decrease in four midwestern U.S. Cities in which one percent of the population was practicing the TM technique. Scientific Research on the Transcendental Meditation Program Collected Papers, Volume I, 1977 Editors, Orme-Johnson Farrow pp 727 In the East China Sea, in very practical terms I should really quite like to see a well formed coalition made of the United Nations Peace-keepers immediately handling the logistics of a landing of teams of AFSC Quakers as experienced mediators of conflict and meditators from the Global Country of World Peace in field effect as a joint peace-making task-force. In coalition of peace-keeping make a landing now on some island rock between them countries all for a residence of coherence mediation meditation. It is high time to attack the incoherence there directly with a much more aggressive mediation of transcending meditation. -Buck Revolution now! It is high time we claim our revolutionary heritage back from the Movement's suits. As meditators we need to take our cause with peace directly to the barricades again; the need be here in this world today that we deploy now and lay siege with meditation even to the Great Walls of China in that troubled incoherent part of the world. It is time for great spiritual and scientific revolutionary action of mediation meditation everywhere. If they won't let us in to Red China to meditate a mediation with peace there then, occupy their Great Wall. Garrison their block houses with meditation. !Occupy Now! Revolution: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH9zG28GQEg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH9zG28GQEg Police in China's restive Xinjiang region have shot dead eight people during a violent clash on Monday http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-25546531 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-25546531 The East China Sea is an ideal location to wage peace from now. It is time to occupy the whole region with peace. Surround the place with meditation. We need mediators, meditators, and peace-keepers there now. Quakers as mediators, mediators from the Global Country of World Peace, and the United Nations Peace-keepers for logistics. What are the TM Rajas doing about peace there? -Buck Japan's Prime Minister, Shinzo Abe's visit to the Yasukuni shrine has angered many in China and South Korea http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-25524559 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-25524559 From quite early on Maharishi Mahesh Yogi employed the radical direct action of groups meditating deployed in field effect as like the Meissner Effect of consciousness mediation of meditation as then even in 1962 meditating a peaceful resolution to the Cuban Missile crisis of 1962. Maharishi called for group meditations at that time to avert the critical danger of incoherence the world was suffering in at that moment in time. In a move of scientific radical peace-activism Maharishi lead group meditations against the turmoil in the world then. To his transcendental mediation we look back at it now as The Cuban missile crisis of 1962. Radicalism 1962, Radical Peace and The 1962 Cuban missile crisis: As a 20th Century revolutionary in radical peaceful affect, a prominent millenarian of his age, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi was boundlessly persistent, constant and consistent in his coming out of India going around the world in peace activism of direct-action through introducing and inciting the mediation for peaceful resolution of world conflict by the effect of group meditation. Revolution: Maharishi's formula to change the world Waging Radical Peace, Maharishi 1983. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6lCNQ9DTOY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6lCNQ9DTOY Radical Transcendentalism, It is quite time to own being peace-revolutionaries; it is quite time to own being radicals of direct-action in mediation of meditation as Maharishi's TM revolutionary peace-activists. -Buck in the Dome Deploying Radical Peace, Maharishi 1967: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3qOxNjNms0&list=PL6468F67BE38B5F92 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3qOxNjNms0&list=PL6468F67BE38B5F92 Look this ain't just some theory or theology of peace. This is practical science that should be public policy everywhere today. This is peace-activism as direct-action; disciplined practicum as mediation and practical in the world. Deeply spiritual and scientific at the same time. Only ignorant science-haters can deny the facts of peace-making now. It is time to d
[FairfieldLife] RE: Get Your Ducks in a Row
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" wrote: > > Yes, he meant 40 days until the Ascension. > > So, it has finally been established that Mary Magdalene was the first to > see the risen Christ along with James' mother. There may have been > others who were with Mary at the empty tomb, but the risen Christ > appeared to Mary first and then to James' mother. So, the two went to > the apostles and told them they had seen the risen Christ. None of the > Apostles were present to see the empty tomb for themselves. They were > told about it by Mary, the first to see the miracle of the resurrection. I guess it's just what some people think of as "fun," but personally I can find zero interest in any of this. To me it's like hearing a bunch of people debating a nitpicky plot point in "The Lord Of The Rings," as if their opinion *mattered*, or as if the nitpick about a work of fiction *mattered*. The Bible is arguably *just* as fictional. It's as silly as people talking about similarly nitpicky plot points in the Bhagavad-Gita, *also* a work of fiction. It boggles my mind that people can debate it as if it weren't. I have to think that what's going on is dueling egos -- "*My* opinion about this fictional story is RIGHT, and all others are WRONG." What a waste of life... I think you're taking it all too seriously. No one else here is, except maybe Ricky.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" wrote: > > Yes, he meant 40 days until the Ascension. > > So, it has finally been established that Mary Magdalene was the first to > see the risen Christ along with James' mother. There may have been > others who were with Mary at the empty tomb, but the risen Christ > appeared to Mary first and then to James' mother. So, the two went to > the apostles and told them they had seen the risen Christ. None of the > Apostles were present to see the empty tomb for themselves. They were > told about it by Mary, the first to see the miracle of the resurrection. I guess it's just what some people think of as "fun," but personally I can find zero interest in any of this. To me it's like hearing a bunch of people debating a nitpicky plot point in "The Lord Of The Rings," as if their opinion *mattered*, or as if the nitpick about a work of fiction *mattered*. The Bible is arguably *just* as fictional. It's as silly as people talking about similarly nitpicky plot points in the Bhagavad-Gita, *also* a work of fiction. It boggles my mind that people can debate it as if it weren't. I have to think that what's going on is dueling egos -- "*My* opinion about this fictional story is RIGHT, and all others are WRONG." What a waste of life...
[FairfieldLife] RE: Get Your Ducks in a Row
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: On 1/1/2014 9:00 AM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote: > why not put this thing about "risen" into your own words > so that there is not this ambiguity about what "risen" means? > The term "risen" means in this context that Jesus had risen from the grave - Jesus was resurrected from the dead. His soul rose up out of the body to become a spirit. It's the central doctrine of Christianity. Most Christians follow the Nicene Creed and a belief in the resurrection miracle of the resurrection of Jesus and a resurection of the dead. According to the Gospel of Matthew, after Jesus's resurrection, many of those previously dead came out of their tombs and entered Jerusalem, where they appeared to many. > I daresay 9/10ths of the world doesn't know who Mary Magdalene > is - if they think America became a country 2013 years ago > (according to Barry) or that the world began 6000 years ago > (according to John Esq) then I seriously doubt they could tell > a Magdalene from a magpie. > Non sequitur. What, the magpie or the Mary?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
On 1/1/2014 9:14 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: > Yes, that is why I had to put it in pink. Excitement from Ricky > deserves a little blush. > what you should have put in red was that Luke wasn't at the resurrection so he was told by Mary about it. Even if Luke didn't mention Mary by name the other apostles said it was Mary that first told them about the resurrection, nobody else is mentioned in the Gospels as telling the apostles about the risen Christ - only Mary. She told them about the resurrection having witnessed it - nobody else witnessed the resurrection but Mary, according to the Gospels. Now we have finally got all our ducks in a row: almost everyone knows about Mary Magdalene being the first to tell the apostles about the risen Christ, except Ann. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Holding back
Steve, Happy New Year to you and the whole family! I'm so grateful for your even tempered and profound voice on FFL. And thank you too for the personal compliment. As for the vacation costs, may they be quickly compensated for by great business in the coming months. Safe travels and all the best always. Share aka Sharon (-: On Wednesday, January 1, 2014 10:55 AM, "steve.sun...@yahoo.com" wrote: Hey Bob, Thanks for reply. I've just been catching up on some posts. You know what I think part of the problem might be, is that for me, it is "just a chat room", and so I enjoy it on that basis. Now Judy doesn't like that term. For her it something more formal. Now, nobody likes, or abides lies. Okay, that's a given. But how in the hell, can someone find so many lies in what other people post, day after day, month after month, year after year Something wrong there I think. And do you think, that, just maybe, many or most of those "lies" may just be differences of opinion? Talk about a week blanket! And I can't tell you how many times Judy has missed irony in other's postings! Bob, hate to the one to break the news to you, but that says something about a person's state of mind. Now, evidently you enjoy the kind of "rigor" she brings to the place. And I think she is a smart lady, and finds many inconsistencies. But can there ever be too much of a "good" thing. I think there can be. Also Bob, please excuse my misuse of the work "onset" to describe Richard's posts. I've just been reading through them, and I think he is a really funny guy. And another confession, I've had a few off forum discussions with Share, and I think she is aawesome lady. Just a few thoughts Bob. I think you get the gist of it. I reeling a little right now. The wife just told me how much the vacation cost. We found an art gallery that had just opened in Aspen. And they were anxious to make a sale,and we needed to replace some artwork over the two beds. Luckily that expense will be shared by three. But still, sort of reality check going on now. Happy first day of the new year!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Get Your Ducks in a Row
On 1/1/2014 9:04 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: > He means 40 days afterward. > Yes, he meant 40 days until the Ascension. So, it has finally been established that Mary Magdalene was the first to see the risen Christ along with James' mother. There may have been others who were with Mary at the empty tomb, but the risen Christ appeared to Mary first and then to James' mother. So, the two went to the apostles and told them they had seen the risen Christ. None of the Apostles were present to see the empty tomb for themselves. They were told about it by Mary, the first to see the miracle of the resurrection. > He's a little overexcited at this point. > Non sequitur.
