[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Hey Llundrup. Welcome back - I have been thinking of you and your family, wondering if you were all right. Ingegerd Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] HoE?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The insulted Peter Suthpen
Peter: Irmeli, do you really think we can have a rational discussion after you take a dump like that? Maybe we can, I don't know... Let me respond to you below: Irmeli: I have for a long time tried to create a discussion with you in a much more friendly tone, but ended in difficulties I have been explaining earlier. Peter: There two reasons why I tend not to take these discussions too far with you. We are coming from two very different conceptual systems. I try to stick to MMY's model of the 7 states. I'm not sure what conceptual model you are coming from. You also become insulting in your responses to me. As soon as this happens I stop responding. I find your posts interesting, but I'm not going to argue with you. Irmeli: Who has got insulted here, if there is no I Peter Suthpen? Peter: You don't understand what I'm talking about when I say no I. Irmeli: I clearly don't. Why don't you explain me, what you are talking about? Irmeli: Why don't you discuss with people, who don't share your conceptual framework, or your stories. Wouldn't it be a good starting point to get beyond one's stories to discuss with people who have different stories than you? Peter: Of course, and I have done this with you in the past. Irmeli: In a tone of saying my understanding and the ideas I present are waking-state phenomenon. And you haft left it there. Not worth discussing. What if you dropped using the concept waking-state as a weapon to put down other's ideas and started to treat people respectfully. Seeing in every person a Buddha. You have yourself explained many times that enlightenment cannot be judged from external behaviour. The language and concepts we use is also part of external behaviour. Never come to think about that? Peter Stuthpen wrote in a post earlier: The mind wants to have a story as a defense against experiences that contradict its primary story. Why have any story at all? MMY is a con artist; MMY is a great saint. He's both, he's neither, he's nothing. Why have any story/position at all. Does it matter? Attached, non-attached...just more stories. Irmeli: Why does Peter experience my criticism of his No I story so insulting. Peter: I don't experience that as insulting. Passive aggressive comments like, hiding behind concepts, and he doesn't bother to answer me. are indicative of another agenda going on in the conversation. Irmeli: The latest post of mine is the only one where I have used those phrases. In that post I was discussing your long term way of treating my posts. And most probably I will continue with my new style with you for a while to see if it will lead to an opening. Your getting hurt by critical comments of your ideas, tell me a lot of the prevalent developmental stage of your I. Irmeli: Why is he so attached to that story. No I is a story, a description by words of an inner state. Peter: Because the concept/story articulates my phenomenological reality. I'm attached to it the same way you'd be attached to the phrase, It's raining if you went outside and rain drops were falling from the sky. When the phenomenological reality changes, then the concept will be useless. And I understand that the phenomenological reality of no I is useless to you. Fine. Just don't infer that it's useless for me. Irmeli: That is fine. I accept this comment wholeheartedly. Just remember one thing: we don't always observe correctly. This becomes more and more true the subtler the areas and the less travelled those areas are by humans collectively. We are not separate entities from each other in no way. This is my thesis: you cannot have a high level of realization independent of others. The phenomenon of raining is therefore in an other category. That phenomenon and its correct interpretation you can be rather sure about. The No I experience not. It is a description of something new emerging. We often make the mistake that we take shelter behind absolute certainty in those very issues that are the most vague and uncontested, something for which we have no clear expressions yet. There may be much more clear ways to express the state of awareness you call no I. I don't dispute your awareness. I dispute the meaning, the interpretation you give to it. Irmeli: Peter's claims are often in conflict with his behaviour. He asks others to leave all stories, as if it were possible. When his own cherished favourite story is questioned, he gets so hurt that, if he bothers to answer, he uses all is energy, not to discuss the proposed ideas, but to tell me, how my ideas are low waking state ideas. They don't belong to enlightened reality. Apparently somehow these structures I have brought up, that define also our use of language, vanish totally in enlightened state according to Peter's reasoning. Peter: Yes, they do, pretty much! The shift from waking state to Realization; the shift from a bound, limited, subjective sense of self to an unbounded
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regarding the no I concept, if you have an interest to understand it better, there are some very articulate attempts to describe this experience, coming from people who had no predisposition to expect it, based on their own traditions. These have been mentioned before on FFL: Collision With the Infinite, by Suzanne Siegal The Experience of No-Self, by Bernadette Roberts I have read the book The Experience of No-Self by Bernadette Roberts. I could pretty well relate to her story and I liked the book, although hers has not been my path. I have not felt a God inside nor outside at any phase of my life. My experiential reality is what Bernadette describes as No-Self. No God can be found inside. The felt sense of life is immediate and spontaneously flowing. The thing is done that appears in front of me. There is no such I that would calculate how this doing would improve my career or create a better picture of myself. There is no I that feels superior to others. I am the others is closer to truth. I feel strongly the energies of others in me and I'm intensely focused on working with those energies. The work is essential, not whose energies they are. It doesn't bother me if I'm seen as ordinary and mediocre and imperfect. I also feel myself to be in many ways like that. How I differ from others is mainly the lack of being in the need to be seen as something special as an individual. What is different from Bernadette's experience is the strong sence of I present. An I not as an image of oneself, rather an organizing I that observes and works with many kinds of energies. It could actually be helpful to hear how people who have theseNo I states like Peter and Akasha relate their reality to mine as I have described it above. Irmeli Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self
--- Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is different from Bernadette's experience is the strong sence of I present. An I not as an image of oneself, rather an organizing I that observes and works with many kinds of energies. It could actually be helpful to hear how people who have theseNo I states like Peter and Akasha relate their reality to mine as I have described it above. Both Susanne's and Bernadette's experiences of no I are exactly the same as mine (that sounds funny, doesn't it?). My only quibble with them is that Susanne said that her experience could not be accounted for in MMY's teaching. I strongly disagree with that. MMY's teachings articulate the no-self experience as CC although it is impossible to really understand what MMY is talking about until the experience is had. I really enjoyed reading Bernadette's book many years ago. But what I got stuck on and lost interest in was her attempt to define her experience in terms of Christian dogma. I think the writings of christian saints would have served her better. As far as relating experiences. The relative experiences both gross and subtle will always vary from person to person and, for me, don't hold much interest. I'm more interested in the ontological shifts in selfhood as consciousness awakens to itself more and more. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US Constitution
--- Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I see you are more versed in the origins of the No Confidence Vote, Which many parliments around the world have adopted. And you know, that this President, would not be elected again; For even another nano-second.. If we could have another vote... I wonder if that's true. I was shocked that he was elected a second time. I bet he'd be elected a third time too if he had the chance. His second election was either a commentary on electronic vote fixing or a sad reflection on the moronic sensibilities of over half the US population. How anyone could vote for this foolish little dim bulb is beyond me. __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] HoE?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The insulted Peter Suthpen
--- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But your words are so much focussed on the subjective Experience no I that people seem to think that you are saying there is no genetic Peter, no social Peter, no Professional Peter. Which is silly. I know you don't mean that, but your words appear to some as so emphatic sometimes, the totality of the situation is not clear to evryone. That must be the case. Saying I don't exist could be a tad confusing for someone listening. Its like you let go of genetic Peter, social Peter, professional Peter. Or genetic Peter, social Peter, professional Peter let go of (their binding claim on) you. You let go. Only you didn't do anything. Its like you got let go. Which is (in amerian idiom) you got fired. You no longer work. Work happens but you are retired. Not retired, but dead. Actually not, dead, but never born. Like a dream character seen from waking state, you just laugh and say, boy, what a nut, I thought I was a tree! You never were a tree, never. This is a good point. no I is one story. Its one marker. Its one way to describe IT. There are other stories. 9 million in the Naked City alone. It appears you have some qualm about letting go and enjoying and celebratng other stories. it not clear why. Arrogant bastard that I am? ;-) I don't experience that as insulting. Passive aggressive comments like, hiding behind concepts, and he doesn't bother to answer me. are indicative of another agenda going on in the conversation. IMO, you are reading way to much into simple words, finding things that are insulting or other agendas (tom is into seeing agendas also. go figure) Why can't the words just be a story. Someones story about you. So many stories. What does one more matter. If they like their story, should that be enough? And who cares if someone is passive agressive. That is their issue. Something is bothering them. Why is that a crime? No crime. Maybe its my profession. I'm very sensitive to experiencing implicit psychological agendas. That's what I get paid to do. (Its roughlyparallel to the fact that people have thoughts. Are the thoughts true? Maybe. maybe not. But its not a crime to have a thought, regardless of whether its true of not.) Why is he so attached to that story. No I is a story, a description by words of an inner state. Because the concept/story articulates my phenomenological reality. I'm attached to it the same way you'd be attached to the phrase, It's raining if you went outside and rain drops were falling from the sky. But its not the only true story. Of course, and maybe that is where my fault lies in that I usually ignore a posting if the thread takes a turn towards something that holds no interest for me. This is not meant to be a commentary upon the value of the postings in the thread for others. Another problem is that exchanging thoughts with more intelligent, philosophical types such as Iremili and yourself becomes extremely time consuming and difficult in this medium. A live conversation would work much better with instant feedback and more subtle, nuanced explanations. When the phenomenological reality changes, then the concept will be useless. And I understand that the phenomenological reality of no I is useless to you. Its not all black and white. I read into Irmeli's words, over time, certanly some Experience. It seems a lot of the debate is semantics, you each previeve words of the other in ways different than they were meant. I see that too and it becomes very tedious to attempt to clarify all the mis-matching concepts so I leave the conversation. __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] The insulted Peter Suthpen
God, I know! Everybody else is so fascinated with it. --- Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keep this going, you two, and you'll be able to grab the championship away from Barry and Judy. Sal On Nov 2, 2005, at 6:16 PM, Peter wrote: Irmeli, do you really think we can have a rational discussion after you take a dump like that? Maybe we can, I don't know... Let me respond to you below: __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
Imitation TM? What would that be, exactly? Giving out phony mantras? You know, something like the names of Hindu gods and goddesses, disguised as meaningless sounds? I see what you mean. Sal On Nov 2, 2005, at 8:47 PM, jyouells2000 wrote: Bob, Do you know that the judges are teaching imitation TM or is Farrokh just doing the initiating for a reduced fee? I suspect the latter but I'm only guessing...
[FairfieldLife] Re: US Constitution
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] All such documents would be corrupt in comparison to the Constitution of the Universe... ...spoken like a true indoctrinated cult member... Did you notice the quotes? A true indoctrinated cult member wouldnt' have used quotes. Oh, so you disagree with the statement that you made? I don't know if there really IS a Constitution of the Universe in MMY's sense of the phrase. If there is, than any relative document would be corrupt. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Imitation TM? What would that be, exactly? Giving out phony mantras? You know, something like the names of Hindu gods and goddesses, disguised as meaningless sounds? I see what you mean. Sal We could reinvent it as TM-lite, and instead of meditating, everyone could just pray in a Peace Palace, with the Rajas leading the prayers, and perhaps they could speak at some point on something they find inspiring like the speeches Bevan and John H. give, all the while worshipping *His Holiness* Maharishi. And perhaps intersperse the meeting with some inspirational Gandarva Ved songs...and formalize a time to contribute donations... Hey, wait a minute! This sounds just like... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regarding the no I concept, if you have an interest to understand it better, there are some very articulate attempts to describe this experience, coming from people who had no predisposition to expect it, based on their own traditions. These have been mentioned before on FFL: Collision With the Infinite, by Suzanne Siegal The Experience of No-Self, by Bernadette Roberts I have read the book The Experience of No-Self by Bernadette Roberts. I could pretty well relate to her story and I liked the book, although hers has not been my path. I have not felt a God inside nor outside at any phase of my life. My experiential reality is what Bernadette describes as No-Self. No God can be found inside. The felt sense of life is immediate and spontaneously flowing. The thing is done that appears in front of me. There is no such I that would calculate how this doing would improve my career or create a better picture of myself. There is no I that feels superior to others. I am the others is closer to truth. I feel strongly the energies of others in me and I'm intensely focused on working with those energies. The work is essential, not whose energies they are. It doesn't bother me if I'm seen as ordinary and mediocre and imperfect. I also feel myself to be in many ways like that. How I differ from others is mainly the lack of being in the need to be seen as something special as an individual. What is different from Bernadette's experience is the strong sence of I present. An I not as an image of oneself, rather an organizing I that observes and works with many kinds of energies. It could actually be helpful to hear how people who have theseNo I states like Peter and Akasha relate their reality to mine as I have described it above. Irmeli One essential aspect of my felt reality I forgot to mention, which clarifies this No I phenomenon to me also. I have an intense awareness of the sensations of the body. I feel the body to be vibrating intensely and a flow goes through it like a white hot light cable. Practically all the emotions are felt more and more as physical energy flows in the body. And that way the I does less and less identify with emotions. I can work this way enjoyably with intense fear, without actually being afraid. It is just an enjoyable bodysensation. I feel thrilled when I can locate fear in my hands etc. I am a lot of occupied by sensing and feeling those energyflows. The I vanishes only for the short and rare moments I'm not sensing that intensely the body. At those moments there can be felt this unboundedness without a clear I. When I focus on stopping working with the energies, this oceanic state of no I appears. But I very much prefer the energetic work and therefore am very fast drawn back to it. It is like a mantra to me. Immediately when I recognize the bodycontact has got weaker I return back to it. I get very fast bored in the oceanic state. People having a lot the no I awareness apparently appreciate it much more than I do. Irmeli Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder about this meaningless sounds business. At the preparatory lecture, I always used to say the mantras were sounds the effects of which are known, or words selected for their sound quality, or something like that. I never said, meaningless sounds and I wonder whether using that phrase was ever an official instruction. It's a very unfortunate phrase, in my opinion. The reference to the sounds being meaningless as I recall was used in a specific context that it wasn't important to know the meanings of such sounds in order for them to work. If pressed, the teachers would say that the mantras had no defined meaning other than as a vehicle for transcendence. At least the way I heard it , it was a good enough explanation for me for many years. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Good News! - Dr. Ashley Deans Authors New Book
Title: Good News! - Dr. Ashley Deans Authors New Book November 3, 2005 Home http://mum.edu/welcome.html Donations http://mum.edu/donations/welcome.shtml Development Office Maharishi University of Management Fairfield, IA 52557 641-472-1180 Email Us mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Good News! Archive http://mum.edu/goodnews/welcome.html A Record of Excellence: The Remarkable Success of Maharishi School of the Age of Enlightenment How does a small school in Iowa grow to merit international acclaim? Ashley Deans explains how in his clear, concise, compelling account of 20 years of unprecedented successes at Maharishi School of the Age of Enlightenment. This non-sectarian, open-admissions school where Consciousness-BasedSM education is implemented has been accredited by the Independent Schools Association of the Central States. Dr. Deans describes the achievements of Maharishi School students. Research showing improved creativity, intelligence, health, and student behavior is presented, together with applications to curricula in the arts, sciences, and sports. Case studies of improvements in school climate are well documented together with the scientific basis of the Maharishi Effect, which has been shown to reduce social stress, thereby leading to reduced crime, terrorism, and war, and providing the basis for permanent world peace. To get a taste of the book, visit http://www.arecordofexcellence.com. Maharishi School of the Age of Enlightenment, Consciousness-Based, and Maharishi University of Management are registered or common law trademarks licensed to Maharishi Vedic Education Development Corporation and used under sublicense or with permission. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Good News! - Dr. Ashley Deans Authors New Book
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Good News! - Dr. Ashley Deans Authors New Book on 11/3/05 11:09 AM, Rick Archer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This non-sectarian, open-admissions school where Consciousness-BasedSM education is implemented has been accredited by the Independent Schools Association of the Central States. Hmmm. I didnt know MSAE offered consciousness-based SM education. Very cutting edge. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Good News! - Dr. Ashley Deans Authors New Book
On Nov 3, 2005, at 12:38 PM, Rick Archer wrote:on 11/3/05 11:09 AM, Rick Archer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:This non-sectarian, open-admissions school where Consciousness-BasedSM education is implemented has been accredited by the Independent Schools Association of the Central States. Hmmm. I didn’t know MSAE offered consciousness-based SM education. Very cutting edge. Come on Rick, you know you can't understand what it means to be unbound until you've been bound! :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Imitation TM? What would that be, exactly? Giving out phony mantras? You know, something like the names of Hindu gods and goddesses, disguised as meaningless sounds? I see what you mean. Sal On Nov 2, 2005, at 8:47 PM, jyouells2000 wrote: Bob, Do you know that the judges are teaching imitation TM or is Farrokh just doing the initiating for a reduced fee? I suspect the latter but I'm only guessing... I was just following Bob's phrasing. I suspect that TESP is just teaching outside the fee and organizatioal stucture, not just teaching the 'relaxation response'. TESP is in an ideal position to respond to a legal challange from the TMO. Is TM in the public domain? Is the Self universal? Are mantra's propietary? Important and fundemental questions. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder about this meaningless sounds business. At the preparatory lecture, I always used to say the mantras were sounds the effects of which are known, or words selected for their sound quality, or something like that. I never said, meaningless sounds and I wonder whether using that phrase was ever an official instruction. It's a very unfortunate phrase, in my opinion. Whatever associations they may have in Hinduism, as they're used in TM they're semantically meaningless sounds. They aren't words per se in any sense. I've certainly heard the phrase used of the mantras in the TM context, usually in response to the question What do the mantras mean? The questioner is typically thinking in terms of semantic content, i.e., that they're words used in sentences for communication, like ordinary language. I know all the names of gods stuff from Trancenet, but that's just inaccurate. At most, they're sounds that are associated with gods in Hinduism. But even Hindus who are taught TM are told to treat the mantra as pure sound during meditation (at least that's what I was told by a long-time TM teacher who did a lot of initiations in India way back when). If you want to get all esoteric about it, the mantras are in some sense devas, but then you have to get into the whole Nama-rupa thing and how Sanskrit syllables aren't symbolic, like regular language; they don't *stand for* things, they *are* things. And if you're going to say mantras are gods, well, you gotta first believe in gods. I'm a lot happier with impulses of creative intelligence, myself. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Imitation TM? What would that be, exactly? Giving out phony mantras? You know, something like the names of Hindu gods and goddesses, disguised as meaningless sounds? I see what you mean. Sal On Nov 2, 2005, at 8:47 PM, jyouells2000 wrote: Bob, Do you know that the judges are teaching imitation TM or is Farrokh just doing the initiating for a reduced fee? I suspect the latter but I'm only guessing... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Good News! - Dr. Ashley Deans Authors New Book
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmmm. I didn't know MSAE offered consciousness-based SM education. Very cutting edge. Come on Rick, you know you can't understand what it means to be unbound until you've been bound! :-) You naughty, naughty boys! Don't get too whipped up over this Peter. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: US Constitution
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] All such documents would be corrupt in comparison to the Constitution of the Universe... ...spoken like a true indoctrinated cult member... Did you notice the quotes? A true indoctrinated cult member wouldnt' have used quotes. Oh, so you disagree with the statement that you made? I don't know if there really IS a Constitution of the Universe in MMY's sense of the phrase. If there is, than any relative document would be corrupt. That sounds like so much pap. Why corrupt? The U.S. Constitution deals with man-made laws and concerns itself with important issues like freedom of speech and religion, privacy, protection against self-incrimination, the right of women to vote, who can or can't hold public office. Why would these necessary and practical matters be corrupt simply because it is a relative document if there is a constitution of the universe? What does the constitution of the universe have to say about slavery, and self-incrimination, etc? Would it take all that into account? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: US Constitution
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] All such documents would be corrupt in comparison to the Constitution of the Universe... ...spoken like a true indoctrinated cult member... Did you notice the quotes? A true indoctrinated cult member wouldnt' have used quotes. Oh, so you disagree with the statement that you made? I don't know if there really IS a Constitution of the Universe in MMY's sense of the phrase. If there is, than any relative document would be corrupt. That sounds like so much pap. Why corrupt? The U.S. Constitution deals with man-made laws and concerns itself with important issues like freedom of speech and religion, privacy, protection against self-incrimination, the right of women to vote, who can or can't hold public office. Why would these necessary and practical matters be corrupt simply because it is a relative document if there is a constitution of the universe? Corrupt as a whole, in the sense of imperfect, perhaps, given that presumably the Constitution of the Universe would be perfect, by definition. One meaning of corrupt in my dictionary is adulterated or debased by change from an original or correct condition. Assuming there is a higher law, presumably current manmade law is an imperfect reflection thereof. And, also presumably, if everyone were governed by the Constitution of the Universe (otherwise known as living in accord with the Laws of Nature), we would spontaneously do what was right with regard to freedom of speech and all that stuff, so we would no longer need manmade laws. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: US Constitution
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] All such documents would be corrupt in comparison to the Constitution of the Universe... ...spoken like a true indoctrinated cult member... Did you notice the quotes? A true indoctrinated cult member wouldnt' have used quotes. Oh, so you disagree with the statement that you made? I don't know if there really IS a Constitution of the Universe in MMY's sense of the phrase. If there is, than any relative document would be corrupt. That sounds like so much pap. Why corrupt? The U.S. Constitution deals with man-made laws and concerns itself with important issues like freedom of speech and religion, privacy, protection against self-incrimination, the right of women to vote, who can or can't hold public office. Why would these necessary and practical matters be corrupt simply because it is a relative document if there is a constitution of the universe? Corrupt as a whole, in the sense of imperfect, perhaps, given that presumably the Constitution of the Universe would be perfect, by definition. One meaning of corrupt in my dictionary is adulterated or debased by change from an original or correct condition. Assuming there is a higher law, presumably current manmade law is an imperfect reflection thereof. And, also presumably, if everyone were governed by the Constitution of the Universe (otherwise known as living in accord with the Laws of Nature), we would spontaneously do what was right with regard to freedom of speech and all that stuff, so we would no longer need manmade laws. yeah, and if my mother had wheels, she'd be a car. I appreciate your attempts, Judy, to explain the corrupt comment by, presumably, MMY, but if we are going to apply this term to the constitution because -- relative to an enlightened constitution of the universe -- it is imperfect and therefore corrupt, why stop at using this description for the constitution? Isn't virtually EVERYTHING in our national life therefore corrupt? Why single out the constitution? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Civil Suit Goes To Court: A Scorned Lover, Glue And A Naked Man
It a Glue Day -- must be a jyotish thing. Civil Suit Goes To Court: A Scorned Lover, Glue And A Naked Man POSTED: 5:43 pm EST November 2, 2005 UPDATED: 6:21 pm EST November 2, 2005 WESTMORELAND COUNTY, Pa. -- Gail O'Toole was convicted of simple assault and sentenced to six months probation for acts she committed against her ex-lover. On Wednesday, the civil suit went to court, where O'Toole's ex-boyfriend claimed her outrageous and inhumane acts are worth thousands in damages. Ken Slaby said he was in love with O'Toole five years ago. He even admitted he was devastated when O'Toole broke it off. So, when O'Toole invited him over to her Murrysville home to rekindle a friendship, he said he agreed. Slaby said O'Toole even went to his house in Pittsburgh to pick him up. But according to Slaby, the night took a turn when O'Toole got angry about Slaby's new love. Slaby said O'Toole waited until he fell asleep and glued his penis to his stomach, glued his testicle to his leg and glued the cheeks of his buttocks together. Then came the nail polish. Slaby claimed O'Toole dumped it all over his head. When he woke up, Slaby said O'Toole threw him out. He didn't have a car, so he was forced to walk one mile down Route 22 to call 911 and Murrysville police, Slaby said. When asked if in his 23 years as a police officer he had seen anything like this, Patrolman Joseph Malone of the Murrysville Police Department said, No, I can't say I have. At the hospital, oils did little to remove the glue. Nurses actually had to peel it off. Slaby underwent treatment from a dermatologist several times afterward. O'Toole's attorney said this was part of routine sexual activity between the couple -- acts that he agreed to -- incidents that should have stayed in the bedroom. But Slaby said O'Toole told him she planned the acts since the break up. According to Slaby, O'Toole came up with script and followed it to the letter because she was angry that he had moved on. Slaby said his injuries included severe burning on parts of his body, impingement of normal bodily functions and discoloration of his hair. The 10 men and two women on the jury can award Slaby $30,000 or more. Their decision is expected late on Thursday. Copyright 2005 by ThePittsburghChannel. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: US Constitution
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I see you are more versed in the origins of the No Confidence Vote, Which many parliments around the world have adopted. And you know, that this President, would not be elected again; For even another nano-second.. If we could have another vote... I wonder if that's true. I was shocked that he was elected a second time. I bet he'd be elected a third time too if he had the chance. Even morons catch a clue now and then: CBS poll today says Bush has only 35% approval -- avg all polls 56% disapproval. His second election was either a commentary on electronic vote fixing or a sad reflection on the moronic sensibilities of over half the US population. How anyone could vote for this foolish little dim bulb is beyond me. __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder about this meaningless sounds business. At the preparatory lecture, I always used to say the mantras were sounds the effects of which are known, or words selected for their sound quality, or something like that. I never said, meaningless sounds and I wonder whether using that phrase was ever an official instruction. It's a very unfortunate phrase, in my opinion. * During the proper practice of TM, the mantras are indeed meaningless sounds (TM properly practiced has nothing to with any meaning one might assign to the mantras, but to their use as a vehicle of attention, a sound resonating with the mind in a way that leads to transcendence). Outside of the practice of TM, if Hindus want to assign meanings to the sounds, that has nothing to do with the practice of TM. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi's brother
posted on another list: Maharishi's Brother is said to be 97, alive and kicking. He was recently seen this past Oct 12th on victory day on the broadcast from the global country of World peace. He told a friend privately that there is a tradition in India not to talk about a saints life- just aspire to be like him yourself. From an inspirational point of view, we can guess at certain things about Maharishi's life, but his real essence becomes more and more familiar based on our own enlightenment. It seems he has 3 shifts of secretaries, so this may give you an idea about his sleeping patterns Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] FEMA head's emails
from this blog: http://www.boingboing.net/2005/11/03/michael_browns_email.html The emails former FEMA head Michael Brown wrote during the Katrina crises would be really funny, if not for the fact that his mismanagement needlessly ruined the lives of so many people. OK, even then, they're still funny. Can I quit now? Can I come home? Brown wrote to Cindy Taylor, FEMA's deputy director of public affairs, the morning of the hurricane. A few days later, Brown wrote to an acquaintance, I'm trapped now, please rescue me. In the midst of the overwhelming damage caused by the hurricane and enormous problems faced by FEMA, Mr. Brown found time to exchange e-mails about superfluous topics, including problems finding a dog-sitter, Melancon said. Melancon said that on August 26, just days before Katrina made landfall, Brown e-mailed his press secretary, Sharon Worthy, about his attire, asking: Tie or not for tonight? Button-down blue shirt? A few days later, Worthy advised Brown: Please roll up the sleeves of your shirt, all shirts. Even the president rolled his sleeves to just below the elbow. In this [crisis] and on TV you just need to look more hard-working. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi's brother
--- bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: posted on another list: Maharishi's Brother is said to be 97, alive and kicking. He was recently seen this past Oct 12th on victory day on the broadcast from the global country of World peace. He told a friend privately that there is a tradition in India not to talk about a saints life- just aspire to be like him yourself. From an inspirational point of view, we can guess at certain things about Maharishi's life, but his real essence becomes more and more familiar based on our own enlightenment. It seems he has 3 shifts of secretaries, so this may give you an idea about his sleeping patterns Everybody knows that an enlightened person sleeps only 4 hours and 27 minutes per night. Not a minute more or less. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's Cosmic Consciousness seem to miss.
Sometimes it's weird knowing the Enlightened Emperor is wearing no clothes. A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's Cosmic Consciousness seem to miss. Funny how you only get as enlightened as you were told to... --Viveka-khyati, grokking the distinction between buddhi and purusha ain't final realization, it's just another beginning. You still have to perfect nirodha, total cessation (of breath and mind) and integrate the rain of virtues, then, maybe, you'll be ready for CC. Maybe. There's more to it than you might have been told or are capable of believing. If you already know, then please tell me. --People who are perfecting nirodha, when they are merely resting, that is not moving about here and there, go spontaneously into a very refined breath. They might only breathe once or twice a minute. This is often a very difficult process to go through. Can you tell us what that is like? In meditation one will be able to easily cease all signs of external breathing for extended periods of time. --Superknowledge. When consciousness rests naturally next to the all- ground, the place where all of manifest creation emerges, it's natural to experience superknowledge, knowledge above and beyond what is normally available, even if you spent your entire waking life in devoted book-study. For example, you might gain the entire knowledge of an Ayurvedic physician through extraordinary means. To retain such knowledge, a species of photographic memory is necessary--so much so that volumes of pure knowledge can be seamlessly retained and repeated without flaw (or very minimal error). --Sleep. In the state of turiyatita, Cosmic Consciousness, sleep become an epiphenomenon rather than the basic phenomenon important for rest of the physical body. One of the important qualities of CC is the total integration of the senses with the void. Because of this it is a unique style--one of the few or only styles--of sleep where where the unconscious part of the mind actually rests. Because of this unique quality only a couple of hours of sleep a night are required. In advanced yogis they may not even need to leave their meditative posture. Since integration of the senses with pure consciousness is complete in CC, one retains complete awareness of surroundings during sleep. That is, one would continue to hear sounds and feel sensations, etc. --Siddhi and mahasiddhi: before one attains full realization (mahasiddhi), one will often experience siddhis. In the state of realization, mahasiddhi, when can perform siddhis at will. etc. --- The Sun is bound by the sound of the Sun And the Moon by the Sound of the Moon. He who knows this can can capture the three worlds in an instant. - shiva-svarodaya Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's brother
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: posted on another list: Maharishi's Brother is said to be 97, alive and kicking. He was recently seen this past Oct 12th on victory day on the broadcast from the global country of World peace. He told a friend privately that there is a tradition in India not to talk about a saints life- just aspire to be like him yourself. From an inspirational point of view, we can guess at certain things about Maharishi's life, but his real essence becomes more and more familiar based on our own enlightenment. It seems he has 3 shifts of secretaries, so this may give you an idea about his sleeping patterns Everybody knows that an enlightened person sleeps only 4 hours and 27 minutes per night. Not a minute more or less. Hmmm, strange that you say that, because I've been religiously clocking myself at 4 hrs, 29 min, and 38 seconds lately...must be that pesky laisha vidya... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The Anklesaria's' position with the TMO
Title: The Anklesaria's' position with the TMO To the many who have expressed their support or concerns to us, this is to clarify our position with the TMO. Dr Michael Dillbeck recently asked to have the TESP research so it could be included in the current volume on Scientific Research on TM. His letter to us was forwarded to a mutual acquaintance, informing our friend that this request from the TM movement certainly endorsed our position because the TMO knew that we were not re-certified, not teaching in Stapathya Ved premises, and not paying $2500 course fees for our probationers. That mutual acquaintance, a diehard movement person, forwarded the email on to Michael who responded that his request for our research ought not to be construed as endorsement of what we were doing with the TESP! This ambiguous and hypocritical situation has been maintained by the TMO for years now - they take whatever good they can from TESP and at the same time deny we are a bona fide organization worthy of being in the TMO. What has been our crime? We refused to pay the $2500 course fee for each probationer instructed. For many years, our organization paid the course fees to the TMO when the fees were still in the reasonable range. We ran up our personal credit card to pay these fees. Then, when the fee was arbitrarily raised to $2500 and no concession was given to TESP to teach probationers sentenced by the court, we stopped paying course fees. We were advised by a legal representative that we should change our name, hence we say we teach Transcendental Stress Management. The only difference in what we teach now is that our course is long (not 7 steps) as we provide a 20-lesson course for probationers. Everything else is the same. Many TM teachers have volunteered their services to teach probationers with us over the years, and they can verify that we teach in precisely the same way as all other teachers. The change of name is to prevent a lawsuit from the TMO and to prevent embarrassment to the judiciary in St Louis when the press reveals the strange goings-on in the TMO e.g. rajas, bagpipes, limos, million-dollar courses etc. The judges cannot afford to be embarrassed in this way. It should also be noted that in addition to the obvious service the TESP is providing to the under-privileged (see the inspiring stories carrier on our website at tesp.org), having 15 judges favoring the program we teach here could have been so useful to the TMO if it were broad- minded enough to recognize that values are not necessarily only in dollars and cents. The New Jersey court cases 25 years ago clearly established TM as unconstitutional and religious in nature. The work of the TESP with the judges here offers strong proof against the notion of TM being religious. Based on the TESP work, the TMO could be assured of a success in court if the matter were re-litigated. This is what we have been advised by some of the judges here. So, in effect, we have given the movement victory before even going to court - a matter that could have cost millions at re-litigation. Unfortunately, the movement places full emphasis on the money aspect only, ignoring the big picture. The TESP is a non-profit 501 c 3 organization. The TMO could easily have made a special concession for us to continue to teach TM with the goodwill of all. Instead, they penalized us in every way possible to conform to their unreasonable rules and requests. The result - we're not re-certified and have no intention of re-certifying. We stand alone and are grateful for the support of so many Governors, Sidhas and meditators in the field who have written us on the matter. If a doctor has the knowledge to heal, is it right for him to pass a patient in dire need because he cannot afford the doctor's fee? If we are teachers of supreme knowledge with the gift to remove suffering, how much greater is our sin if we fail to use our talent for the poor and under-privileged and use it exclusively for the rich. We cannot abide by the new philosophy and strange practices in the TMO anymore. We are doing our bit to keep the flag of pure consciousness flying, under the banner of TESP and Transcendental Stress Management. The matter of the conference is unrelated but true. About seven years ago, MUM, Bevan's office, asked me to organize for the judges and me to speak at the late Dr Skip Alexander's conference at MUM. After we arranged for the judges to speak, Bevan's office sent me a note stating that being invited to MUM was a privilege and that it would not be extended to me! I informed Bevan's office that if I was being un-invited, the judges will also not be attending. Shortly thereafter, we got a call from Bevan's office indicating that I was indeed invited and they paid for all my expenses to attend the conference. We hope this clarifies matters. With very best wishes, Farrokh Ruffina Farrokh Ruffina Anklesaria The Enlightened Sentencing Project (TESP) Administrative Office
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's Cosmic Consciousness seem to miss.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sometimes it's weird knowing the Enlightened Emperor is wearing no clothes. A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's Cosmic Consciousness seem to miss. Funny how you only get as enlightened as you were told to... Vaj, you'd be a lot less confused if you just considered MMY's system on its own terms and didn't keep trying to compare it with other systems that may use similar terms to mean very different things with different criteria. Also, of course, that MMY defines CC in a certain way doesn't mean no TMer progresses to states beyond what MMY defines as CC. You only get as enlightened as you were told to sounds like you think MMY says what he defines as CC is the ultimate state of consciousness, but that isn't the case. --Viveka-khyati, grokking the distinction between buddhi and purusha ain't final realization, it's just another beginning. You still have to perfect nirodha, total cessation (of breath and mind) and integrate the rain of virtues, then, maybe, you'll be ready for CC. Maybe. There's more to it than you might have been told or are capable of believing. If you already know, then please tell me. --People who are perfecting nirodha, when they are merely resting, that is not moving about here and there, go spontaneously into a very refined breath. They might only breathe once or twice a minute. This is often a very difficult process to go through. Can you tell us what that is like? In meditation one will be able to easily cease all signs of external breathing for extended periods of time. --Superknowledge. When consciousness rests naturally next to the all- ground, the place where all of manifest creation emerges, it's natural to experience superknowledge, knowledge above and beyond what is normally available, even if you spent your entire waking life in devoted book-study. For example, you might gain the entire knowledge of an Ayurvedic physician through extraordinary means. To retain such knowledge, a species of photographic memory is necessary--so much so that volumes of pure knowledge can be seamlessly retained and repeated without flaw (or very minimal error). --Sleep. In the state of turiyatita, Cosmic Consciousness, sleep become an epiphenomenon rather than the basic phenomenon important for rest of the physical body. One of the important qualities of CC is the total integration of the senses with the void. Because of this it is a unique style--one of the few or only styles--of sleep where where the unconscious part of the mind actually rests. Because of this unique quality only a couple of hours of sleep a night are required. In advanced yogis they may not even need to leave their meditative posture. Since integration of the senses with pure consciousness is complete in CC, one retains complete awareness of surroundings during sleep. That is, one would continue to hear sounds and feel sensations, etc. --Siddhi and mahasiddhi: before one attains full realization (mahasiddhi), one will often experience siddhis. In the state of realization, mahasiddhi, when can perform siddhis at will. etc. --- The Sun is bound by the sound of the Sun And the Moon by the Sound of the Moon. He who knows this can can capture the three worlds in an instant. - shiva-svarodaya Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's Cosmic Consciousness seem to miss.
On Nov 3, 2005, at 6:49 PM, authfriend wrote: Vaj, you'd be a lot less confused if you just considered MMY's system on its own terms and didn't keep trying to compare it with other systems that may use similar terms to mean very different things with different criteria. No confusion here. I've been very fortunate. There will always be people who just believe what they're told and then defend that. And there will be seekers who don't believe something because someone tells them. They seek the truth. Big picture, little picture--take your pick! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's brother
--- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: posted on another list: Maharishi's Brother is said to be 97, alive and kicking. He was recently seen this past Oct 12th on victory day on the broadcast from the global country of World peace. He told a friend privately that there is a tradition in India not to talk about a saints life- just aspire to be like him yourself. From an inspirational point of view, we can guess at certain things about Maharishi's life, but his real essence becomes more and more familiar based on our own enlightenment. It seems he has 3 shifts of secretaries, so this may give you an idea about his sleeping patterns Everybody knows that an enlightened person sleeps only 4 hours and 27 minutes per night. Not a minute more or less. Hmmm, strange that you say that, because I've been religiously clocking myself at 4 hrs, 29 min, and 38 seconds lately...must be that pesky laisha vidya... Jim I'm so sorry to hear this. Should we even be talking? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: US Constitution
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] All such documents would be corrupt in comparison to the Constitution of the Universe... ...spoken like a true indoctrinated cult member... Did you notice the quotes? A true indoctrinated cult member wouldnt' have used quotes. Oh, so you disagree with the statement that you made? I don't know if there really IS a Constitution of the Universe in MMY's sense of the phrase. If there is, than any relative document would be corrupt. That sounds like so much pap. Why corrupt? The U.S. Constitution deals with man-made laws and concerns itself with important issues like freedom of speech and religion, privacy, protection against self-incrimination, the right of women to vote, who can or can't hold public office. Why would these necessary and practical matters be corrupt simply because it is a relative document if there is a constitution of the universe? What does the constitution of the universe have to say about slavery, and self-incrimination, etc? Would it take all that into account? As I said, I don't know if there is a Constitution of the Unviverse in MMY's sense, so answering a specific question about HOW it would be corrupt, or how it would deal witha specific issue, is kinda moot. By corrupt, I was meaning limited, or partial, or less than perfect. I assume that is what Hagelin meant by his use of the word. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's Cosmic Consciousness seem to miss.
On Nov 3, 2005, at 7:37 PM, Peter wrote: --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since integration of the senses with pure consciousness is complete in CC, one retains complete awareness of surroundings during sleep. That is, one would continue to hear sounds and feel sensations, etc. Lots of good stuff in your post, Vaj, but I have serious questions regarding the above. Awareness of surroundings, but not through the senses. The buddhi doesn't function on a gross level during sleep. The fourth, turiya, being really beyond the other three states, when fully integrated beyond these three *still contains them and retains access to their qualities.* Of course you are right on that this contradicts the model we conceive of sleep. This also highlights another unique function of unitary awareness, even at the level of CC--it is possible to encompass more than one awareness. For example someone who has integrated non-dual awareness 24/7 can simultaneously hear several objects easily. In particualr I remember one yogi I know who we would all go up after teaching and wait in line to talk. I noticed he would always have two lines going at once. So naturally, when I got up to talk I would pause when the person on the opposite side would start talking and he turned away. He turned back to me, said and gestured continue, so I continued with my blab. At the same time he turned away to another person who was talking at the same time. I continued blabbing and eventually he turned back and answered right as I finished, having heard eveything I said. So that's what integration at a real deep level is like: no longer trapped by linear sequences and unencumbered by simultaneity. The inner mandala integrates all awarenesses. Here's an old excerpt from one of the psychologists associated with Sw. Rama that touches on this theme somewhat: But this universal state is split off. It is experienced separately. It is not remembered. The waking consciousness-even the dreaming consciousness-are too limited to cope with it. It remains unknown, a four-hour mystery that takes place each night, hidden between our dreams leaving occasionally just a hint of other- worldliness. Though this way of understanding dreamless sleep seems very foreign to Western thinking, the Upanishads go even further. They describe a fourth state. It is still more advanced than the third. It is what results when the expanded consciousness is brought back from dreamless sleep into dreaming and waking consciousness. This is considered more evolved than the third state because it is the result of a massive reintegration. The universality of deep sleep is carried over into the other levels of consciousness. One maintains the all- encompassing awareness, the serene and universal consciousness constantly. He maintains contact with the brilliant light of cosmic awareness while also remaining in touch with the usual levels of waking consciousness. This fourth state is called turiya. It is the perspective from which all can be observed, controlled and integrated. It brings total awareness of all the compartments of the mind, all the lower levels of consciousness. For example, the dream state becomes totally accessible. A yogi who is approaching this highest state of development can maintain consciousness during the period that would normally be dreaming. This explains how he might be able to practice continuous deep sleep; how he would be conscious enough of the sleep cycle to enter it where he wished and stay as long as he needed. It also implies that one could maintain awareness of the external world even while in the delta stages of sleep. If consciousness is truly integrated, then from the vantage point of this higher level both the dreamless sleep and the external world should be perceptible. This contradicts all our customary ways of thinking about deep sleep, of course. It is normally assumed that one is totally oblivious during this deepest level of the sleep cycle, that he can be aware of nothing around him. In an experiment done with Swami Rama at the Menninger Foundation, this usual conception of delta level sleep was found to be inadequate. After producing theta waves, the Swami said he knew exactly how the inner states of awareness were arranged in respect to the brain wave frequency bands. Then he said, 'tomorrow I will consciously make delta waves for you.' I replied that I doubted that he would succeed in that because he would have to be sound asleep in order to produce delta. He laughed at this and said that I would think that he was asleep but that he would be conscious of everything that occured in the experimental room. Before this test he asked how long I would like to have him remain in the delta state. I said that 25 minutes would be alright and he said he would bring himself out
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Anklesaria's' position with the TMO
Farrokh makes some excellent points. I wonder if MMY is aware of the controversy or if Bevan is asserting authority as followup to a long- time personality conflict... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To the many who have expressed their support or concerns to us, this is to clarify our position with the TMO. Dr Michael Dillbeck recently asked to have the TESP research so it could be included in the current volume on Scientific Research on TM. His letter to us was forwarded to a mutual acquaintance, informing our friend that this request from the TM movement certainly endorsed our position because the TMO knew that we were not re-certified, not teaching in Stapathya Ved premises, and not paying $2500 course fees for our probationers. That mutual acquaintance, a diehard movement person, forwarded the email on to Michael who responded that his request for our research ought not to be construed as endorsement of what we were doing with the TESP! This ambiguous and hypocritical situation has been maintained by the TMO for years now - they take whatever good they can from TESP and at the same time deny we are a bona fide organization worthy of being in the TMO. What has been our crime? We refused to pay the $2500 course fee for each probationer instructed. For many years, our organization paid the course fees to the TMO when the fees were still in the reasonable range. We ran up our personal credit card to pay these fees. Then, when the fee was arbitrarily raised to $2500 and no concession was given to TESP to teach probationers sentenced by the court, we stopped paying course fees. We were advised by a legal representative that we should change our name, hence we say we teach Transcendental Stress Management. The only difference in what we teach now is that our course is long (not 7 steps) as we provide a 20-lesson course for probationers. Everything else is the same. Many TM teachers have volunteered their services to teach probationers with us over the years, and they can verify that we teach in precisely the same way as all other teachers. The change of name is to prevent a lawsuit from the TMO and to prevent embarrassment to the judiciary in St Louis when the press reveals the strange goings-on in the TMO e.g. rajas, bagpipes, limos, million-dollar courses etc. The judges cannot afford to be embarrassed in this way. It should also be noted that in addition to the obvious service the TESP is providing to the under-privileged (see the inspiring stories carrier on our website at tesp.org), having 15 judges favoring the program we teach here could have been so useful to the TMO if it were broad- minded enough to recognize that values are not necessarily only in dollars and cents. The New Jersey court cases 25 years ago clearly established TM as unconstitutional and religious in nature. The work of the TESP with the judges here offers strong proof against the notion of TM being religious. Based on the TESP work, the TMO could be assured of a success in court if the matter were re-litigated. This is what we have been advised by some of the judges here. So, in effect, we have given the movement victory before even going to court - a matter that could have cost millions at re-litigation. Unfortunately, the movement places full emphasis on the money aspect only, ignoring the big picture. The TESP is a non-profit 501 c 3 organization. The TMO could easily have made a special concession for us to continue to teach TM with the goodwill of all. Instead, they penalized us in every way possible to conform to their unreasonable rules and requests. The result - we're not re-certified and have no intention of re-certifying. We stand alone and are grateful for the support of so many Governors, Sidhas and meditators in the field who have written us on the matter. If a doctor has the knowledge to heal, is it right for him to pass a patient in dire need because he cannot afford the doctor's fee? If we are teachers of supreme knowledge with the gift to remove suffering, how much greater is our sin if we fail to use our talent for the poor and under- privileged and use it exclusively for the rich. We cannot abide by the new philosophy and strange practices in the TMO anymore. We are doing our bit to keep the flag of pure consciousness flying, under the banner of TESP and Transcendental Stress Management. The matter of the conference is unrelated but true. About seven years ago, MUM, Bevan's office, asked me to organize for the judges and me to speak at the late Dr Skip Alexander's conference at MUM. After we arranged for the judges to speak, Bevan's office sent me a note stating that being invited to MUM was a privilege and that it would not be extended to me! I informed Bevan's office that if I was being un-invited, the judges
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's brother
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: posted on another list: Maharishi's Brother is said to be 97, alive and kicking. He was recently seen this past Oct 12th on victory day on the broadcast from the global country of World peace. He told a friend privately that there is a tradition in India not to talk about a saints life- just aspire to be like him yourself. From an inspirational point of view, we can guess at certain things about Maharishi's life, but his real essence becomes more and more familiar based on our own enlightenment. It seems he has 3 shifts of secretaries, so this may give you an idea about his sleeping patterns Everybody knows that an enlightened person sleeps only 4 hours and 27 minutes per night. Not a minute more or less. Hmmm, strange that you say that, because I've been religiously clocking myself at 4 hrs, 29 min, and 38 seconds lately...must be that pesky laisha vidya... Jim I'm so sorry to hear this. Should we even be talking? Good point- I've got a call in to Swami Doorknob to see if it will harm your evolution. God Bless, or something like thathope I said that right, er *witnessed* it Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's Cosmic Consciousness seem to miss.
On Nov 3, 2005, at 7:46 PM, authfriend wrote: It's mildly interesting to know that different systems put their labels at different stages of the enlightenment process, but it says nothing whatsoever about the relative effectiveness of the systems. That's just it, it's the same label: Mahesh calls it turiyatita also-- it's just that he also translates as Cosmic Consciousness into English. He has also indicated the traditional synonyms, so it is talking of the same state--although he has only ever given the basic features of someone approaching the state (that I've heard). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's Cosmic Consciousness seem to miss.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 3, 2005, at 7:46 PM, authfriend wrote: It's mildly interesting to know that different systems put their labels at different stages of the enlightenment process, but it says nothing whatsoever about the relative effectiveness of the systems. That's just it, it's the same label: Mahesh calls it turiyatita also-- it's just that he also translates as Cosmic Consciousness into English. He has also indicated the traditional synonyms, so it is talking of the same state--although he has only ever given the basic features of someone approaching the state (that I've heard). Whatis your background with MMY's discussions? I've only had the SCI tape course and the busy-work lectures from the TM centers and the busywork lectures from the TM-Sidhis (8-week in residence) course. It seems to me that MMY has touched upon all the criteria that you mentioned earlier at one point or another... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's Cosmic Consciousness seem to miss.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sometimes it's weird knowing the Enlightened Emperor is wearing no clothes. A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's Cosmic Consciousness seem to miss. Funny how you only get as enlightened as you were told to... Judge not, for with what measure you judge so shall you be judged. --Viveka-khyati, grokking the distinction between buddhi and purusha ain't final realization, it's just another beginning. Lol, Buddhi and Purusha within the field of Anatman. You still have to perfect nirodha, total cessation (of breath and mind) This is the early stages of TM. Are Buddhists still on the slow boat to Never Never Land. and integrate the rain of virtues, then, maybe, you'll be ready for CC. Rain of Virtues = Moodmaking (a common Buddhist technique). There's more to it than you mightare capable of believing. How arrogant. If you already know, then please tell me. Ask a question, and someone can answer. How can someone answer a question you do not ask. They might only breathe once or twice a minute. This is often a very difficult process to go through. Can you tell us what that is like? Common experience for me, profound and irrefutable empirical knowledge. In meditation one will be able to easily cease all signs of external breathing for extended periods of time. Why bother trying, just be. It is not something to try for, merely a nice side effect of exiting in the right state. --Superknowledge. When consciousness rests naturally next to the all- ground, the place where all of manifest creation emerges, it's natural to experience superknowledge, knowledge above and beyond what is normally available, even if you spent your entire waking life in devoted book-study. For example, you might gain the entire knowledge of an Ayurvedic physician through extraordinary means. True, but you also might fool yourself into thinking that you gained the entire knowledge of an Ayurvedic physician through extraordinary means. retain such knowledge, a species of photographic memory is necessary--so much so that volumes of pure knowledge can be seamlessly retained and repeated without flaw (or very minimal error). No. Access through the higher Self to the Akashic realm is all that is needed. It is like the internet. I have a computer, but not all the knowledge of the internet is stored on it, yet I have access to a vast database through the connection. There is no need to remember anythingexcept your higher Self (the transcendent) --Sleep. In the state of turiyatita, Cosmic Consciousness, sleep become an epiphenomenon rather than the basic phenomenon important for rest of the physical body. One of the important qualities of CC is the total integration of the senses with the void. Call a spade a spade. Your 'Void' is called the Transcendent by Maharishi. Because of this it is a unique style--one of the few or only styles--of sleep where where the unconscious part of the mind actually rests. Because of this unique quality only a couple of hours of sleep a night are required. In advanced yogis they may not even need to leave their meditative posture. True. Since integration of the senses with pure consciousness is complete in CC, one retains complete awareness of surroundings during sleep. That is, one would continue to hear sounds and feel sensations, etc. Probably not, because one doesn't want to. It is what one wants that occurs. --Siddhi and mahasiddhi: before one attains full realization (mahasiddhi), one will often experience siddhis. In the state of realization, mahasiddhi, when can perform siddhis at will. Probly right OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Anklesaria's' position with the TMO
I think that this letter from Farrokh is representative for most of the Independent TM-Teachers when it says: If we are teachers of supreme knowledge with the gift to remove suffering, how much greater is our sin if we fail to use our talent for the poor and under-privileged and use it exclusively for the rich. Most of my students cannot afford to pay $2.500, but need the benefits of TM. Most of my students has first been in contact with the TMO, and it seems that the TMO and the recert. TM-Teachers do not appeal to them. It is too much pressure about money. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To the many who have expressed their support or concerns to us, this is to clarify our position with the TMO. Dr Michael Dillbeck recently asked to have the TESP research so it could be included in the current volume on Scientific Research on TM. His letter to us was forwarded to a mutual acquaintance, informing our friend that this request from the TM movement certainly endorsed our position because the TMO knew that we were not re-certified, not teaching in Stapathya Ved premises, and not paying $2500 course fees for our probationers. That mutual acquaintance, a diehard movement person, forwarded the email on to Michael who responded that his request for our research ought not to be construed as endorsement of what we were doing with the TESP! This ambiguous and hypocritical situation has been maintained by the TMO for years now - they take whatever good they can from TESP and at the same time deny we are a bona fide organization worthy of being in the TMO. What has been our crime? We refused to pay the $2500 course fee for each probationer instructed. For many years, our organization paid the course fees to the TMO when the fees were still in the reasonable range. We ran up our personal credit card to pay these fees. Then, when the fee was arbitrarily raised to $2500 and no concession was given to TESP to teach probationers sentenced by the court, we stopped paying course fees. We were advised by a legal representative that we should change our name, hence we say we teach Transcendental Stress Management. The only difference in what we teach now is that our course is long (not 7 steps) as we provide a 20-lesson course for probationers. Everything else is the same. Many TM teachers have volunteered their services to teach probationers with us over the years, and they can verify that we teach in precisely the same way as all other teachers. The change of name is to prevent a lawsuit from the TMO and to prevent embarrassment to the judiciary in St Louis when the press reveals the strange goings-on in the TMO e.g. rajas, bagpipes, limos, million-dollar courses etc. The judges cannot afford to be embarrassed in this way. It should also be noted that in addition to the obvious service the TESP is providing to the under-privileged (see the inspiring stories carrier on our website at tesp.org), having 15 judges favoring the program we teach here could have been so useful to the TMO if it were broad- minded enough to recognize that values are not necessarily only in dollars and cents. The New Jersey court cases 25 years ago clearly established TM as unconstitutional and religious in nature. The work of the TESP with the judges here offers strong proof against the notion of TM being religious. Based on the TESP work, the TMO could be assured of a success in court if the matter were re-litigated. This is what we have been advised by some of the judges here. So, in effect, we have given the movement victory before even going to court - a matter that could have cost millions at re-litigation. Unfortunately, the movement places full emphasis on the money aspect only, ignoring the big picture. The TESP is a non-profit 501 c 3 organization. The TMO could easily have made a special concession for us to continue to teach TM with the goodwill of all. Instead, they penalized us in every way possible to conform to their unreasonable rules and requests. The result - we're not re-certified and have no intention of re-certifying. We stand alone and are grateful for the support of so many Governors, Sidhas and meditators in the field who have written us on the matter. If a doctor has the knowledge to heal, is it right for him to pass a patient in dire need because he cannot afford the doctor's fee? If we are teachers of supreme knowledge with the gift to remove suffering, how much greater is our sin if we fail to use our talent for the poor and under- privileged and use it exclusively for the rich. We cannot abide by the new philosophy and strange practices in the TMO anymore. We are doing our bit to keep the flag of pure consciousness flying, under the banner of TESP and Transcendental Stress Management. The matter of the conference is
[FairfieldLife] A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's
--- Vaj wrote: Since integration of the senses with pure consciousness is complete in CC, one retains complete awareness of surroundings during sleep. That is, one would continue to hear sounds and feel sensations, etc. Peter of the No I writes: Lots of good stuff in your post, Vaj, but I have serious questions regarding the above. Awareness of surroundings, but not through the senses. The buddhi doesn't function on a gross level during sleep. Tom T writes: It is my experience that one can have complete awareness of surroundings during sleep. The only problemo is that of complete and utter boredom. It is like watching the old Test Pattern on TV which used to be on most of the night. After so many nights of the same bedroom and the same bed it is all the same, all the same. After a while one just shuts it down. Deep sleep is preferable to total boredom. Spend weeks, months and years being aware of your intimate surroundings and see how long before you shut it down. TOm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's Cosmic Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip One point I took away, with endless descriptions of deep experience, with MMY commenting, night after night, month after month, was labeling was not very important. People had good experience and he would say, very good .. keep rounding. And that enlightenment was never self-proclaimed. Therefore, at least to me, lots of proclaiming, lots of labeling, lots of prouncments that THIS is the enlightenment experience, NOT that, all seem very non-MMY to me. It is people out doing their own thing, not part of what MMY taught. That's been my impression, although I haven't been around him personally. snip For example, vaj's point, Siddhi and mahasiddhi: before one attains full realization (mahasiddhi), one will often experience siddhis. In the state of realization, mahasiddhi, when can perform siddhis at will., to me seems close to what MMY told us when he first gave out the siddhis. That performance of the siddhi's was the acid-test of cc. (I know now some say he said UC, but I heard cc on the first sidhi's course, maybe he changed it later, maybe some didn't hear it directly at all, but the exaggeration/rumor mill version of it evolved to uc.) FWIW, it was definitely UC when I took the TM-Sidhis in 1984. And I'm virtually positive in an issue I have of Modern Science and Vedic Science, in a long article on the TM-Sidhis, he is quoted as saying exactly that. Unfortunately the issue is in storage. snip think enlightenment is. The point being, I and others are not hung up on expectations, personally having abandoned such, but simply pointing out what MMY said. Thus one can claim Fred's Enlightenment and describe it anyway one likes, but you can't claim MMY's CC without having the criteria he set out for it. Exactly. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's Cosmic Consciousness seem to miss.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 3, 2005, at 7:46 PM, authfriend wrote: It's mildly interesting to know that different systems put their labels at different stages of the enlightenment process, but it says nothing whatsoever about the relative effectiveness of the systems. That's just it, it's the same label: Mahesh calls it turiyatita also-- it's just that he also translates as Cosmic Consciousness into English. He has also indicated the traditional synonyms, so it is talking of the same state--although he has only ever given the basic features of someone approaching the state (that I've heard). Remember that the vast majority of the people he's teaching are householders, not professional seekers. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Civil Suit Goes To Court: A Scorned Lover, Glue And A Naked Man
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, vashtirama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just as I read this, my 6-year old came in and said, Mommy, look: I glued my hands together. Then he stood there transfixed by them for almost 10 minutes. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It a Glue Day -- must be a jyotish thing. Thats funny. And cute. And interesting -- my comment was part joking, part reflecting on experience when I said, it must be a jyotish thing. Its imbibed in common sayings, it happens in threes or when it rains it pours -- which for me indicate that at times, the same not so frquent phenomenon occurs repeatedly in short bursts -- then not again for some time. Some can be attrributed to random chance. But it happens enough that it seems beyond random. Like certain times are just ripe for certain things to happen. For example, a while back, everything just broke. My car broke down, my pc broke down, my tv broke, the washer broke. Like all within 3 days. Each event in themselves is quite infrequent. All happening to gether has a quite rare probability. I think jyotish could be both tested and enhanced greatly (assuming there is some there, there which I know many on the list reject) by working backwards: using such coincident points to identify planetery patterns, look at those same patterns historically and see if similar grouped coincidences occurred, weed out extraneous planetary factors, then look for such councidences at future times of such planetery patterns (and the ABSENCE of their occurence in the absence of the planetary pattern -- a very key point). Then look to jyotish texts and traditions to see if there is a classic explanation for such. Further refine the model, re-backcast, and set up future predictions. If the pattern is a successful predictor, log it. Add it to a protfolio of useful jyotish tools. Use it to calibrate what classic texts say -- assumming there is a correspondence -- that is, used the observed phenomenon, and successful predictor pattern, to be a way of taking ancient, sometimes a bit symbolic text, and adapting it to modern life and phenomenon. A weakness of current jyotish practice, it seems to me, is that there is not much such historical calibration. I have had pundits say this is what Parashara said, this is what will occur. But its to general to be useful. Just looking to simple jyotish patterns, looking at social events, not individuals, some interesting things pop out. By themselves, intriguing, but they dont prove anything by themselves. They need the backcasting and prediction cycles of refinement I spoke of above. Jupiter completes a cycle every 12 years. Saturn every 29.7 or so years, and Saturn and Jupiter are conjunct (together) every 20 years, and conjunct in same sign every 60 or so years (every two cycles of Saturn). Some pretty coincident stuff occurs when you look at these cycles. I used to play with this and observed things like the Microsoft anti-trust case was at its peak very close to 59 years from when the Rockerfeller Standard Oil Trust was broken up. And how many times has the US been attacked in its history. Not many. Pearl Harbor, Dec 7, 1941 and 9/11, Sept 11, 2001, about 60 years -- two full cycle of Saturn -- with Saturn and Jupiter conjunct in the same sign. Is there something in the US chart that would indicate this is an invastion time? What happened in 1881, 1821 and 1761 or there abouts (the planets are conjunct over a year or two)? 2001.75 9/11 1941.75 Pearl Harbor 1881July 20 1881 - Indian Wars: Sioux chief Sitting Bull leads the last of his fugitive people in surrender to United States troops at Fort Buford in Montana. September 19 1881- James Abram Garfield, President of the United States dies due to an infected wound caused by an assassin's bullet and is succeeded by Vice President Chester Alan Arthur. 1880 January 9 1880- The Great Gale of 1880 strikes areas in Oregon and Washington. October 1880- terrible winter storm in North America, the Blizzard of 1880. 1822September 7 - Brazil declares its independence from Portugal (see Brazilian independence) 1821June 24 - Simón Bolívar wins the Battle of Carabobo, ensuring Venezuela's independency from Spain. (See Venezuela's independence.) July 10 - The United States takes possession of its newly-bought territory of Florida from Spain. July 28 - Peru declares independence from Spain. (See Peru's Independence from Spain). September 15 - Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua and Costa Rica gain independence from Spain. (See History of Central America) September 27 - Mexico gains its independence from Spain. (See Mexican War of Independence.) November 16 - American Old West: Santa Fe Trail use 1820March 3 6 - Slavery in the United States: The Missouri Compromise becomes law. 1763February 10 - French and Indian
[FairfieldLife] Re: Civil Suit Goes To Court: A Scorned Lover, Glue And A Naked Man
vashtirama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just as I read this, my 6-year old came in and said, Mommy, look: I glued my hands together. Then he stood there transfixed by them for almost 10 minutes. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It a Glue Day -- must be a jyotish thing. Thats funny. And cute. And interesting -- my comment was part joking, part reflecting on experience when I said, it must be a jyotish thing. Its imbibed in common sayings, it happens in threes or when it rains it pours -- which for me indicate that at times, the same not so frquent phenomenon occurs repeatedly in short bursts -- then not again for some time. Some can be attrributed to random chance. But it happens enough that it seems beyond random. Like certain times are just ripe for certain things to happen. For example, a while back, everything just broke. My car broke down, my pc broke down, my tv broke, the washer broke. Like all within 3 days. Each event in themselves is quite infrequent. All happening to gether has a quite rare probability. I think jyotish could be both tested and enhanced greatly (assuming there is some there, there which I know many on the list reject) by working backwards: using such coincident points to identify planetery patterns, look at those same patterns historically and see if similar grouped coincidences occurred, weed out extraneous planetary factors, then look for such councidences at future times of such planetery patterns (and the ABSENCE of their occurence in the absence of the planetary pattern -- a very key point). Then look to jyotish texts and traditions to see if there is a classic explanation for such. Further refine the model, re-backcast, and set up future predictions. If the pattern is a successful predictor, log it. Add it to a protfolio of useful jyotish tools. Use it to calibrate what classic texts say -- assumming there is a correspondence -- that is, used the observed phenomenon, and successful predictor pattern, to be a way of taking ancient, sometimes a bit symbolic text, and adapting it to modern life and phenomenon. A weakness of current jyotish practice, it seems to me, is that there is not much such historical calibration. I have had pundits say this is what Parashara said, this is what will occur. But its to general to be useful. Just looking to simple jyotish patterns, looking at social events, not individuals, some interesting things pop out. By themselves, intriguing, but they dont prove anything by themselves. They need the backcasting and prediction cycles of refinement I spoke of above. Jupiter completes a cycle every 12 years. Saturn every 29.7 or so years, and Saturn and Jupiter are conjunct (together) every 20 years, and conjunct in same sign every 60 or so years (every two cycles of Saturn). Some pretty coincident stuff occurs when you look at these cycles. I used to play with this and observed things like the Microsoft anti-trust case was at its peak very close to 60 years from when the Rockerfeller Standard Oil Trust was broken up. And how many times has the US been attacked in its history. Not many. Pearl Harbor, Dec 7, 1941 and 9/11, Sept 11, 2001, about 60 years -- two full cycle of Saturn -- with Saturn and Jupiter conjunct in the same sign. Is there something in the US chart that would indicate this is an invastion time? What happened in 1881, 1821 and 1761 or there abouts (the planets are conjunct over a year or two)? 2001 9/11 1941 Pearl Harbor 1881 July 20 1881 - Indian Wars: Sioux chief Sitting Bull leads the last of his fugitive people in surrender to United States troops September 19 1881- James Abram Garfield, President of the United States dies due to an infected wound caused by an assassin's bullet and is succeeded by Vice President Chester Alan Arthur. 1880 January 9 1880- The Great Gale of 1880 strikes areas in Oregon and Washington. October 1880- terrible winter storm in North America, the Blizzard of 1880. 1822 September 7 - Brazil declares its independence from Portugal (see Brazilian independence) 1821 June 24 - Simón Bolívar wins the Battle of Carabobo, ensuring Venezuela's independency from Spain. (See Venezuela's independence.) July 10 - The United States takes possession of its newly-bought territory of Florida from Spain. July 28 - Peru declares independence from Spain. (See Peru's Independence from Spain). September 15 - Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua and Costa Rica gain independence from Spain. (See History of Central America) September 27 - Mexico gains its independence from Spain. (See Mexican War of Independence.) 1820 March 3 6 - Slavery in the United States: The Missouri Compromise becomes law. 1763 February 10 - French and Indian War: The 1763 Treaty of Paris ends the war and France cedes Canada to Great Britain. May 7 - Chief Pontiac begins the Conspiracy of Pontiac by attacking British forces at Fort Detroit. 1762 August 10 - British forces seize
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Anklesaria's' position with the TMO
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Farrokh makes some excellent points. I wonder if MMY is aware of the controversy or if Bevan is asserting authority as followup to a long- time personality conflict... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To the many who have expressed their support or concerns to us, this is to clarify our position with the TMO. It's not a personality conflict. It's about money, control and power. Just another indicator of where the TMO really places value. JohnY Just another of the unrecertified multitudes ;-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Vaj wrote: Since integration of the senses with pure consciousness is complete in CC, one retains complete awareness of surroundings during sleep. That is, one would continue to hear sounds and feel sensations, etc. Peter of the No I writes: Lots of good stuff in your post, Vaj, but I have serious questions regarding the above. Awareness of surroundings, but not through the senses. The buddhi doesn't function on a gross level during sleep. Tom T writes: It is my experience that one can have complete awareness of surroundings during sleep. The only problemo is that of complete and utter boredom. It is like watching the old Test Pattern on TV which used to be on most of the night. After so many nights of the same bedroom and the same bed it is all the same, all the same. After a while one just shuts it down. Deep sleep is preferable to total boredom. Spend weeks, months and years being aware of your intimate surroundings and see how long before you shut it down. TOm Or you can project and fly around a bit ;-) Less boring, but make sure you only go East ;-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Anklesaria's' position with the TMO
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that this letter from Farrokh is representative for most of the Independent TM-Teachers when it says: If we are teachers of supreme knowledge with the gift to remove suffering, how much greater is our sin if we fail to use our talent for the poor and under-privileged and use it exclusively for the rich. Most of my students cannot afford to pay $2.500, but need the benefits of TM. Most of my students has first been in contact with the TMO, and it seems that the TMO and the recert. TM-Teachers do not appeal to them. It is too much pressure about money. Ingegerd And that is MMY's purpose at this point, apparently. Money, money, money. Right or wrong, good or ill, he's after the capital. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Anklesaria's' position with the TMO
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Farrokh makes some excellent points. I wonder if MMY is aware of the controversy or if Bevan is asserting authority as followup to a long- time personality conflict... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To the many who have expressed their support or concerns to us, this is to clarify our position with the TMO. It's not a personality conflict. It's about money, control and power. That's a personality thing, is it not? Just another indicator of where the TMO really places value. JohnY Just another of the unrecertified multitudes ;-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's Cosmic Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip One point I took away, with endless descriptions of deep experience, with MMY commenting, night after night, month after month, was labeling was not very important. People had good experience and he would say, very good .. keep rounding. And that enlightenment was never self-proclaimed. Therefore, at least to me, lots of proclaiming, lots of labeling, lots of prouncments that THIS is the enlightenment experience, NOT that, all seem very non-MMY to me. It is people out doing their own thing, not part of what MMY taught. That's been my impression, although I haven't been around him personally. snip For example, vaj's point, Siddhi and mahasiddhi: before one attains full realization (mahasiddhi), one will often experience siddhis. In the state of realization, mahasiddhi, when can perform siddhis at will., to me seems close to what MMY told us when he first gave out the siddhis. That performance of the siddhi's was the acid-test of cc. (I know now some say he said UC, but I heard cc on the first sidhi's course, maybe he changed it later, maybe some didn't hear it directly at all, but the exaggeration/rumor mill version of it evolved to uc.) FWIW, it was definitely UC when I took the TM-Sidhis in 1984. And I'm virtually positive in an issue I have of Modern Science and Vedic Science, in a long article on the TM-Sidhis, he is quoted as saying exactly that. Unfortunately the issue is in storage. I think the Sidhis manifest due to CC transitioning, however briefly, to UC. snip think enlightenment is. The point being, I and others are not hung up on expectations, personally having abandoned such, but simply pointing out what MMY said. Thus one can claim Fred's Enlightenment and describe it anyway one likes, but you can't claim MMY's CC without having the criteria he set out for it. Exactly. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's Cosmic Consciousness seem to miss.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 3, 2005, at 8:11 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 3, 2005, at 7:46 PM, authfriend wrote: It's mildly interesting to know that different systems put their labels at different stages of the enlightenment process, but it says nothing whatsoever about the relative effectiveness of the systems. That's just it, it's the same label: Mahesh calls it turiyatita also-- it's just that he also translates as Cosmic Consciousness into English. He has also indicated the traditional synonyms, so it is talking of the same state--although he has only ever given the basic features of someone approaching the state (that I've heard). Whatis your background with MMY's discussions? I've only had the SCI tape course and the busy-work lectures from the TM centers and the busywork lectures from the TM-Sidhis (8-week in residence) course. It seems to me that MMY has touched upon all the criteria that you mentioned earlier at one point or another... I'll leave that topic for the diehard M. fans to chew on. Hmmm, so you won't answer the question... He's like Bush. He doesn't need to explain himself. Didn't you know? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's Cosmic Consciousness seem to m
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll leave that topic for the diehard M. fans to chew on. Hmmm, so you won't answer the question... He's like Bush. He doesn't need to explain himself. Didn't you know? Well, maybe he heard it from God. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's
--- tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Vaj wrote: Since integration of the senses with pure consciousness is complete in CC, one retains complete awareness of surroundings during sleep. That is, one would continue to hear sounds and feel sensations, etc. Peter of the No I writes: Lots of good stuff in your post, Vaj, but I have serious questions regarding the above. Awareness of surroundings, but not through the senses. The buddhi doesn't function on a gross level during sleep. Tom T writes: It is my experience that one can have complete awareness of surroundings during sleep. The only problemo is that of complete and utter boredom. It is like watching the old Test Pattern on TV which used to be on most of the night. After so many nights of the same bedroom and the same bed it is all the same, all the same. After a while one just shuts it down. Deep sleep is preferable to total boredom. Spend weeks, months and years being aware of your intimate surroundings and see how long before you shut it down. TOm Shut it Down! -From the movie Dark City, 1998 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Anklesaria's' position with the TMO
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Farrokh makes some excellent points. I wonder if MMY is aware of the controversy or if Bevan is asserting authority as followup to a long- time personality conflict... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To the many who have expressed their support or concerns to us, this is to clarify our position with the TMO. It's not a personality conflict. It's about money, control and power. That's a personality thing, is it not? Just another indicator of where the TMO really places value. JohnY Just another of the unrecertified multitudes ;-) Yup, but I thought you meant a personal disagreement between Bevan and Farrokh, that's why I said what I did. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: US Constitution
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] All such documents would be corrupt in comparison to the Constitution of the Universe... ...spoken like a true indoctrinated cult member... Did you notice the quotes? A true indoctrinated cult member wouldnt' have used quotes. Oh, so you disagree with the statement that you made? I don't know if there really IS a Constitution of the Universe in MMY's sense of the phrase. If there is, than any relative document would be corrupt. That sounds like so much pap. Why corrupt? The U.S. Constitution deals with man-made laws and concerns itself with important issues like freedom of speech and religion, privacy, protection against self-incrimination, the right of women to vote, who can or can't hold public office. Why would these necessary and practical matters be corrupt simply because it is a relative document if there is a constitution of the universe? What does the constitution of the universe have to say about slavery, and self-incrimination, etc? Would it take all that into account? As I said, I don't know if there is a Constitution of the Unviverse in MMY's sense, so answering a specific question about HOW it would be corrupt, or how it would deal witha specific issue, is kinda moot. By corrupt, I was meaning limited, or partial, or less than perfect. I assume that is what Hagelin meant by his use of the word. Maybe Hagelin was being a corrupt ass-hole. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Vaj wrote: Since integration of the senses with pure consciousness is complete in CC, one retains complete awareness of surroundings during sleep. That is, one would continue to hear sounds and feel sensations, etc. Peter of the No I writes: Lots of good stuff in your post, Vaj, but I have serious questions regarding the above. Awareness of surroundings, but not through the senses. The buddhi doesn't function on a gross level during sleep. Tom T writes: It is my experience that one can have complete awareness of surroundings during sleep. The only problemo is that of complete and utter boredom. It is like watching the old Test Pattern on TV which used to be on most of the night. After so many nights of the same bedroom and the same bed it is all the same, all the same. After a while one just shuts it down. Deep sleep is preferable to total boredom. Spend weeks, months and years being aware of your intimate surroundings and see how long before you shut it down. TOm I get this and find it just as boring a lot of the time and would like to avoid it if I could. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Anklesaria's' position with the TMO
Perhaps it is a clash of ego's; Or at least one ego? Isn't it the ego, that is constantly concerned with; Money, power and control? When one is fulfilled from within, completely in Bliss; How could one be concerned with money, power, lust, greed, And control? - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Farrokh makes some excellent points. I wonder if MMY is aware of the controversy or if Bevan is asserting authority as followup to a long- time personality conflict... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To the many who have expressed their support or concerns to us, this is to clarify our position with the TMO. It's not a personality conflict. It's about money, control and power. That's a personality thing, is it not? Just another indicator of where the TMO really places value. JohnY Just another of the unrecertified multitudes ;-) Yup, but I thought you meant a personal disagreement between Bevan and Farrokh, that's why I said what I did. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
