[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: [...] I always thought the TMO should publish ALL TM research -- both negative and positive -- and never, ever reinterpret or reword any scientific research. Doing that would have given them the greatest credibility. SO... you're saying that the teams TMing and non-TMingresearchers are so controlled by the TMers that the research is completely untrustworthy? No. SO,... In the long run, it doesn't matter. Whatever fudging of data that has or has not been done in the early physiological studies really isn't relevant to what the researchers are finding now. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/4/06 10:27 PM, bmorry2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Insiders know they were told to leave. Aging parents provided a public excuse for the OJs. So why were they told to leave? (OJ's and Goldmans) I don't know for sure what happened, but it could have been part of the power struggle, that slowly pushed everyone out, who wasn't aligned with the new administration, Bevan, and people who had come from Europe, to take over the administration. The 'old timers' on the board of directors were also pushed out, several years before then.. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Shankara's commentary on II 45
traiguNyaviSayaaH traiguNyaM saMsaaro viSayaH prakaashayitavyaH yeSaaM te vedaaH traiguNyaviSayaaH | tvaM tu nistraiguNyo bhava arjuna, niSkaamo bhava ityarthaH | nirdvandvaH sukhaduHkhahetuu pratipakSau padaarthau dvandvashabdavaacyau, tataH nirgataH nirdvandvo bhava | nityasattvasthaH sadaa sattvaguNaashrito bhava | tathaa niryogakSemaH anupaattasya upaadaanaM yogaH, upaattasya rakSaNam kSemaH, yogakSemapradhaanasya shreyasi pravRttir duSkaraa ityataH niryogakSemo bhava | aatmavaan apramattash ca bhava | Sa(??) tava upadeshaH svadharman anutiSThtaH || sarveSu vedokteSu karmasu yaanyuktaanyanantaani phalaani taani naapekSyante cet, kimarthaM taani iishvaraayetyanuSThiyante ityucyate; shRNu 2.45 To those who are thus devoid of discriminating wisdom, who indulge in pleasure, [Here Ast. adds 'yat phalam tad aha, what result accrues, that the Lord states:'-Tr.] O Arjuna, vedah, the Vedas; traigunya-visayah, have the three qualities as their object, have the three gunas, [Traigunya means the collection of the three qualities, viz sattva (purity), rajas (energy) and tamas (darkness); i.e. the collection of virtuous, vicious and mixed activities, as also their results. In this derivative sense traigunya means the worldly life.] i.e. the worldly life, as the object to be revealed. But you bhava, become; nistraigunyah, free from the three qualities, i.e. be free from desires. [There is a seeming conflict between the advices to be free from the three qualities and to be ever-poised in the quality of sattva. Hence, the Commentator takes the phrase nistraigunya to mean niskama, free from desires.] (Be) nirdvandvah, free from the pairs of duality -- by the word dvandva, duality, are meant the conflicting pairs [Of heat and cold, etc.] which are the causes of happiness and sorrow; you become free from them. [From heat, cold, etc. That is, forbear them.] You become nitya-sattvasthah, ever-poised in the quality of sattva; (and) so also niryoga-ksemah, without (desire for) acquisition and protection. Yoga means acquisition of what one has not, and ksema means the protection of what one has. For one who as 'acquisition and protection' foremost in his mind, it is difficult to seek Liberation. Hence, you be free from acquisition and protection. And also be atmavan, self-collected, vigilant. This is the advice given to you while you are engaged in your own duty. [And not from the point of view of seeking Liberation.] We've tried to transliterate the original text as accurately as possible. There are some strange features in that text, like ignored sandhis, and stuff. (For instance, normally tataH + nirgataH + nirdvandvaH would result to tato nirgato nirdvandvaH. There's no way we can tell whether that de-sandhied forms belong to the original text of Shankara.) traiguNyaviSayaaH traiguNyaM saMsaaro viSayaH prakaashayitavyaH yeSaaM te vedaaH traiguNyaviSayaaH | tvaM tu nistraiguNyo bhava arjuna, niSkaamo bhava ityarthaH | nirdvandvaH sukhaduHkhahetuu pratipakSau padaarthau dvandvashabdavaacyau, tataH nirgataH nirdvandvo bhava | nityasattvasthaH sadaa sattvaguNaashrito bhava | tathaa niryogakSemaH anupaattasya upaadaanaM yogaH, upaattasya rakSaNam kSemaH, yogakSemapradhaanasya shreyasi pravRttir duSkaraa ityataH niryogakSemo bhava | aatmavaan apramattash ca bhava | Sa(??) tava upadeshaH svadharman anutiSThtaH || sarveSu vedokteSu karmasu yaanyuktaanyanantaani phalaani taani naapekSyante cet, kimarthaM taani iishvaraayetyanuSThiyante ityucyate; shRNu 2.45 To those who are thus devoid of discriminating wisdom, who indulge in pleasure, [Here Ast. adds 'yat phalam tad aha, what result accrues, that the Lord states:'-Tr.] O Arjuna, vedah, the Vedas; traigunya-visayah, have the three qualities as their object, have the three gunas, [Traigunya means the collection of the three qualities, viz sattva (purity), rajas (energy) and tamas (darkness); i.e. the collection of virtuous, vicious and mixed activities, as also their results. In this derivative sense traigunya means the worldly life.] i.e. the worldly life, as the object to be revealed. But you bhava, become; nistraigunyah, free from the three qualities, i.e. be free from desires. [There is a seeming conflict between the advices to be free from the three qualities and to be ever-poised in the quality of sattva. Hence, the Commentator takes the phrase nistraigunya to mean niskama, free from desires.] (Be) nirdvandvah, free from the pairs of duality -- by the word dvandva, duality, are meant the conflicting pairs [Of heat and cold, etc.] which are the causes of happiness and sorrow; you become free from them. [From heat, cold, etc. That is, forbear them.] You become nitya-sattvasthah, ever-poised in the quality of sattva; (and) so also niryoga-ksemah, without (desire for) acquisition and protection. Yoga means acquisition of what one has not, and ksema means the protection of what one has. For one who as 'acquisition and protection' foremost in
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shankara's commentary on II 45
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: traiguNyaviSayaaH traiguNyaM saMsaaro viSayaH prakaashayitavyaH yeSaaM te vedaaH traiguNyaviSayaaH | tvaM tu nistraiguNyo bhava arjuna, niSkaamo bhava ityarthaH | nirdvandvaH sukhaduHkhahetuu pratipakSau padaarthau dvandvashabdavaacyau, tataH nirgataH nirdvandvo bhava | nityasattvasthaH sadaa sattvaguNaashrito bhava | tathaa niryogakSemaH anupaattasya upaadaanaM yogaH, upaattasya rakSaNam kSemaH, yogakSemapradhaanasya shreyasi pravRttir duSkaraa ityataH niryogakSemo bhava | aatmavaan apramattash ca bhava | Sa(??) tava upadeshaH svadharman anutiSThtaH || sarveSu vedokteSu karmasu yaanyuktaanyanantaani phalaani taani naapekSyante cet, kimarthaM taani iishvaraayetyanuSThiyante ityucyate; shRNu 2.45 To those who are thus devoid of discriminating wisdom, who indulge in pleasure, [Here Ast. adds 'yat phalam tad aha, what result accrues, that the Lord states:'-Tr.] O Arjuna, vedah, the Vedas; traigunya-visayah, have the three qualities as their object, have the three gunas, [Traigunya means the collection of the three qualities, viz sattva (purity), rajas (energy) and tamas (darkness); i.e. the collection of virtuous, vicious and mixed activities, as also their results. In this derivative sense traigunya means the worldly life.] i.e. the worldly life, as the object to be revealed. But you bhava, become; nistraigunyah, free from the three qualities, i.e. be free from desires. [There is a seeming conflict between the advices to be free from the three qualities and to be ever-poised in the quality of sattva. Hence, the Commentator takes the phrase nistraigunya to mean niskama, free from desires.] (Be) nirdvandvah, free from the pairs of duality -- by the word dvandva, duality, are meant the conflicting pairs [Of heat and cold, etc.] which are the causes of happiness and sorrow; you become free from them. [From heat, cold, etc. That is, forbear them.] You become nitya- sattvasthah, ever-poised in the quality of sattva; (and) so also niryoga-ksemah, without (desire for) acquisition and protection. Yoga means acquisition of what one has not, and ksema means the protection of what one has. For one who as 'acquisition and protection' foremost in his mind, it is difficult to seek Liberation. Hence, you be free from acquisition and protection. And also be atmavan, self-collected, vigilant. This is the advice given to you while you are engaged in your own duty. [And not from the point of view of seeking Liberation.] We've tried to transliterate the original text as accurately as possible. There are some strange features in that text, like ignored sandhis, and stuff. (For instance, normally tataH + nirgataH + nirdvandvaH would result to tato nirgato nirdvandvaH. There's no way we can tell whether that de-sandhied forms belong to the original text of Shankara.) traiguNyaviSayaaH traiguNyaM saMsaaro viSayaH prakaashayitavyaH yeSaaM te vedaaH traiguNyaviSayaaH | tvaM tu nistraiguNyo bhava arjuna, niSkaamo bhava ityarthaH | nirdvandvaH sukhaduHkhahetuu pratipakSau padaarthau dvandvashabdavaacyau, tataH nirgataH nirdvandvo bhava | nityasattvasthaH sadaa sattvaguNaashrito bhava | tathaa niryogakSemaH anupaattasya upaadaanaM yogaH, upaattasya rakSaNam kSemaH, yogakSemapradhaanasya shreyasi pravRttir duSkaraa ityataH niryogakSemo bhava | aatmavaan apramattash ca bhava | Sa(??) tava upadeshaH svadharman anutiSThtaH || sarveSu vedokteSu karmasu yaanyuktaanyanantaani phalaani taani naapekSyante cet, kimarthaM taani iishvaraayetyanuSThiyante ityucyate; shRNu 2.45 To those who are thus devoid of discriminating wisdom, who indulge in pleasure, [Here Ast. adds 'yat phalam tad aha, what result accrues, that the Lord states:'-Tr.] O Arjuna, vedah, the Vedas; traigunya-visayah, have the three qualities as their object, have the three gunas, [Traigunya means the collection of the three qualities, viz sattva (purity), rajas (energy) and tamas (darkness); i.e. the collection of virtuous, vicious and mixed activities, as also their results. In this derivative sense traigunya means the worldly life.] i.e. the worldly life, as the object to be revealed. But you bhava, become; nistraigunyah, free from the three qualities, i.e. be free from desires. [There is a seeming conflict between the advices to be free from the three qualities and to be ever-poised in the quality of sattva. Hence, the Commentator takes the phrase nistraigunya to mean niskama, free from desires.] (Be) nirdvandvah, free from the pairs of duality -- by the word dvandva, duality, are meant the conflicting pairs [Of heat and cold, etc.] which are the causes of happiness and sorrow; you become free from them. [From heat, cold, etc. That is, forbear them.] You become nitya- sattvasthah, ever-poised in the quality of sattva; (and) so also
[FairfieldLife] Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
Said I'd post this if I found it. If you haven't signed yours yet, please send it in soon :-)Â Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi(to be signed by the teacher of TM)It is my privilege Maharishi, to promise to teach the Principles and Practice of Transcendental Meditation only as a teacher-employee of which accepts me as such, that I will always hold the teaching in trust for you, dear Maharishi, and that I will never use the teaching except as teacher in or other organizations founded by you for the purpose of carrying on our work of spreading Transcendental Meditation for the good of mankind; that as a teacher in I shall receive such compensation as shall be agreed between and myself in writing and except as agreed in writing I expect to receive no monetary compensation but am fully compensated by the love and joy I receive from the work by the alleviation of suffering that I may accomplish and by the wisdom I obtain, expulsate and cherish. In furtherance of this pledge I acknowledge that prior to receiving the training I had no prior knowledge of such system of Teaching; that there is no other available source where the knowledge of such training may be obtained; that such teaching has been imparted to me in trust and confidence; that such training is secret and unique. I further recognize as a Meditation Guide and Initiator I am a link in the chain of organizations that you have founded, and that to retain the purity of the teaching and movement you have laid down the wise rule that, should I ever cease to teach in or other organizations founded by you, for the purpose of teaching Transcendental Meditation, I may be restrained by appropriate process from using this secret teaching and Transcendental Meditation imparted to me.It is my fortune Guru Dev that I am being accepted to serve the Holy Tradition and spread the light of God to all those who need it. It is my joy to undertake the responsibility of representing the Holy Tradition in all its purity as it has been given to me by Maharishi and I promise on your alter Guru Dev that with all my heart and mind I will always work within the framework of the Organizations founded by Maharishi. And to you, Maharishi, I promise that as a Meditation Guide I will be faithful in all ways to the trust that you have placed in me.JAI GURU DEV To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shankara's commentary on II 45
cardemaister wrote: We've tried to transliterate the original text as accurately as possible. There are some strange features in that text, like ignored sandhis, and stuff. So, you're a Sanskrit transliterator. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ASSC 10
sparaig wrote: There's always TucsonConsciousness 2006 April 4-8: http://www.consciousness.arizona.edu/tucson2006.htm So, I take it you don't plan to attend ASSC 10. Thanks for the information about TucsonConsciousness - maybe I'll see you there. Will you be wearing a name badge? Of course, TM never gets much play there, even though half the meditation researchers use MMY's theory of enlightenment progression as a starting point for their own theories. Can you cite any links to independent research describing MMY's theory of enlightenment progression? There must be hundreds of scientific reports by now, either confirming the thory or rejecting it. The single most important report I've read was authored by Hari Sharma, Brihaspati Dev Triguna and Deepak Chopra that appeared in 'JAMA', which is cited on the TM Org's Website. Apparently this report is the single most important report ever published about MMY's theory of enlightenment progression, right behind Benson and Wallace's report in 'Science' magazine. Can you post a link to the report or provide a summary of it here? I'll submit it to the ASSC 10 Administrator. 'Letter From New Delhi: Maharishi Ayur-Veda: Modern Insights Into Ancient Medicine' by Hari Sharma, Brihaspati Dev Triguna, and Deepak Chopra JAMA, 265, 2633-2637, 1991 According to Maharishi, ...over 600 scientific studies at more than 200 independent research institutions in 35 countries during the past 40 years confirm that the technique works-and brings remarkable benefits to people around the world. Research on the Transcendental Meditation program has been published in more than 100 leading scientific journals, including Scientific American, Business and Health, Science, and the Journal of the American Medical Association. Source: 'The Transcendental Meditation Program' http://www.tm.org/ The tenth annual meeting of the Association for the Scientific Study of Consciousness will be held from June 23rd to June 26th, 2006, at St. Anne's College, Oxford. Hope to see you there! Read more: 'ASSC 10' http://www.assc10.org.uk/ The Mind Science Foundation is a private operating foundation established by visionary philanthropist Thomas Baker Slick in 1958 to study the unexplored potential of the human mind. Read more: 'Mind Science Foundation' http://www.mindscience.org/index.cfm To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM
Vaj wrote: What is unfortunate is that Ken really has probably never heard the 'dirty lowdown' on 'Marshy' and his movement. Surely you must be jesting, Vaj. Wilber co-authored 'Spiritual Choices' with Dick Anthony and you're saying that he probably never heard the 'dirty lowdown' on Marshy? Next you'll be telling us that Wilber never heard about the 'dirty lowdown' on the Adi Da Samraj. Get real! It's important to admire the diamonds in this life...but it's also important to see the shit they're embedded in... So, you're saying that Wilber's parents practice TM, but Wilber doesn't see the 'shit they're embedded in'? Go figure. You are supposed to read the book BEFORE you make your comments. 'Spiritual Choices: The Problems of Recognizing Authentic Paths to Inner Transformation' by Dick Anthony, Bruce Ecker, and Ken Wilber Paragon House, 1986 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM
Hi Willy On Apr 5, 2006, at 8:15 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Vaj wrote: What is unfortunate is that Ken really has probably never heard the 'dirty lowdown' on 'Marshy' and his movement. Surely you must be jesting, Vaj. Wilber co-authored 'Spiritual Choices' with Dick Anthony and you're saying that he probably never heard the 'dirty lowdown' on Marshy? Next you'll be telling us that Wilber never heard about the 'dirty lowdown' on the Adi Da Samraj. Get real! We don't know if he did or did not. Given that most of the lowdown on the TMO is shrouded in secrecy and often only accessible to an inner core of followers, I'd be surprised if he did. This list is certainly an example where secret material, some negative, filters out even to the surprise of old and close students of M. Unlike people like Adi Da or Rajneesh there really hasn't been an big expose on M. and the movement. They are very good at controlling information and of course, selling it. Go figure. It's important to admire the diamonds in this life...but it's also important to see the shit they're embedded in... So, you're saying that Wilber's parents practice TM, but Wilber doesn't see the 'shit they're embedded in'? Go figure. You are supposed to read the book BEFORE you make your comments. If I wanted to know what he thought, I'd read something more recent, the book you're referencing is 20 years old. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
wayback71 wrote: Richard, what is your point and could you just say it clearly? wayback71 - The Marshy doesn't need anymore people to sign up for TM training - he just needs to have the current teams of meditators sit in large groups to achieve the Maharishi effect, like we do at in the Superradience Dome at Radience. He doesn't need the apostates who went over to the Rama Lentz, the Sri Sri, the Prakash, or that older woman named Ma. So Marshy said to Girish Varma, his uncle, Who needs them? Nandikishore told me this because I've been an insider since wayback65. According to Steve Perino, not a single temple in all India uses bija mantras, like the ones used in TM, in their spiritual practice. Perino also stated that Shankaracharya didn't teach adwaita, but that's another thread. However, several years ago I discovered that in fact, the headquarters math of Guru Dev was at Sringeri, which is a noted seat of the Sri Vidya sect which practices a meditation similar to TM and that uses thirteen bija mantras contained in the Saundaryalahari, composed by the Shankaracharaya, which contains at least three TM bija mantras. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
Vaj wrote: Which matha are you particularly referring to? The matha at Sringeri, the headquarters of the Saraswati sampradaya, the Dasanami sect founded by the Shakaracharya. Sringeri was the headquarters matha of Swami Brahmanand Saraswati, whose teacher was Swami Krishnanand Saraswati of Sringeri. The mantrayana is not simply located at a particular monastery or math, in fact it is much more widespread. So, you're saying that many other temples in India, not just Brahmanand's headqurter matha at Sringeri, practice a meditation similar to TM and that the use of some TM bija mantras is widespread. If they are real practitioners of the mantrayana why would they be worried about any temple other than that of their own bodies and those they loved? Because the Sri Vidya is a secret tantric sect - it's not available to non-initiates. Only insiders like Marshy know much about the bija mantras they use at Sringeri - Marshy was taught them by his master, Swami Brahmanand Saraswati over the course of thirteen years in the Himalayas. This has all been confirmed by Swami Rama - don't you read books? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM - lowdown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Willy On Apr 5, 2006, at 8:15 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Vaj wrote: What is unfortunate is that Ken really has probably never heard the 'dirty lowdown' on 'Marshy' and his movement. Surely you must be jesting, Vaj. Wilber co-authored 'Spiritual Choices' with Dick Anthony and you're saying that he probably never heard the 'dirty lowdown' on Marshy? Next you'll be telling us that Wilber never heard about the 'dirty lowdown' on the Adi Da Samraj. Get real! We don't know if he did or did not. Given that most of the lowdown on the TMO is shrouded in secrecy and often only accessible to an inner core of followers, I'd be surprised if he did. This list is certainly an example where secret material, some negative, filters out even to the surprise of old and close students of M. Unlike people like Adi Da or Rajneesh there really hasn't been an big expose on M. and the movement. They are very good at controlling information and of course, selling it. Go figure. It's important to admire the diamonds in this life...but it's also important to see the shit they're embedded in... So, you're saying that Wilber's parents practice TM, but Wilber doesn't see the 'shit they're embedded in'? Go figure. You are supposed to read the book BEFORE you make your comments. If I wanted to know what he thought, I'd read something more recent, the book you're referencing is 20 years old. I think you 2 guys mean something completely different by lowdown. I practiced TM for decades, did most every course possible, lived in ffld for decades and did some independent poking around as the kool aid wore off, but still knew only a fraction of the lowdown until I was put in touch with some ex personal secretaries of MMY, skin boys. Even they only know bits and pieces of what really goes on based on what their job was. The lowdown on the TMO is much more secret than most movts. Wilber may know some things about the practice, but practically nothing about the movt I'd wager. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
On Apr 5, 2006, at 8:44 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Vaj wrote: Which matha are you particularly referring to? The matha at Sringeri, the headquarters of the Saraswati sampradaya, the Dasanami sect founded by the Shakaracharya. Sringeri was the headquarters matha of Swami Brahmanand Saraswati, whose teacher was Swami Krishnanand Saraswati of Sringeri. The mantrayana is not simply located at a particular monastery or math, in fact it is much more widespread. So, you're saying that many other temples in India, not just Brahmanand's headqurter matha at Sringeri, practice a meditation similar to TM and that the use of some TM bija mantras is widespread. It's very ubiquitous. Sri Vidya is not the only source of bija mantras. If they are real practitioners of the mantrayana why would they be worried about any temple other than that of their own bodies and those they loved? Because the Sri Vidya is a secret tantric sect - it's not available to non-initiates. Only insiders like Marshy know much about the bija mantras they use at Sringeri - Marshy was taught them by his master, Swami Brahmanand Saraswati over the course of thirteen years in the Himalayas. This has all been confirmed by Swami Rama - don't you read books? It was actually from a conversation with Sw. Rama that I found out that Mahesh was one of the leading suspects in the murder of Swami Brahmananda. Sw. Rama's teaching on meditation probably most closely resembles Swami Brahmananda's own practice, not TM. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM - lowdown
On Apr 5, 2006, at 9:09 AM, markmeredith2002 wrote: I think you 2 guys mean something completely different by lowdown. I practiced TM for decades, did most every course possible, lived in ffld for decades and did some independent poking around as the kool aid wore off, but still knew only a fraction of the lowdown until I was put in touch with some ex personal secretaries of MMY, skin boys. Even they only know bits and pieces of what really goes on based on what their job was. The lowdown on the TMO is much more secret than most movts. Wilber may know some things about the practice, but practically nothing about the movt I'd wager. Precisely what I was trying to convey, thanks for sharing your own experience. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM
Vaj wrote: Surely you must be jesting, Vaj. Wilber co-authored 'Spiritual Choices' with Dick Anthony and you're saying that he probably never heard the 'dirty lowdown' on Marshy? We don't know if he did or did not. If you had read the book, you would know. Wilber mentions the 'dirty lowdown' on the Marshy in 'Spiritual Choices'. When are you going to read it? Given that most of the lowdown on the TMO is shrouded in secrecy and often only accessible to an inner core of followers, I'd be surprised if he did. I'd say that if Wilber, the author of dozens of books, including one with Dick Anthony and one with Peter Russell, once practiced TM and that if his parents currently practice TM, that probably Wilber knows more than you do about the TMO and the Marshy. This list is certainly an example where secret material, some negative, filters out even to the surprise of old and close students of M. Are you suggesting that Wilber hasn't read the archives of Usenet or Yahoo! before he writes his books? Unlike people like Adi Da or Rajneesh there really hasn't been an big expose on M. and the movement. Go figure. I figure that Wilber knows more than you do about this subject. They are very good at controlling information and of course, selling it. Sounds like you've got a strong bias against the Marshy, so your anecdotes, stories, and comments would hardly be worth considering. On the other hand, Wilber seems to be a acknowledged authority. I'm sure that if Wilber thought something was 'low'down' about the Marshy he'd probably be reporting it. Wilber certainly doesn't hesitate to describe some of the 'low down' things about the Adi Da and the Osho. It's important to admire the diamonds in this life...but it's also important to see the shit they're embedded in... So, you're saying that Wilber's parents practice TM, but Wilber doesn't see the 'shit they're embedded in'? Go figure. You are supposed to read the book BEFORE you make your comments. If I wanted to know what he thought, I'd read something more recent, the book you're referencing is 20 years old. So you haven't read all of Wilber's books, not even the most important ones. Go figure. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM - lowdown
markmeredith2002 wrote: I think you 2 guys mean something completely different by lowdown. I practiced TM for decades, did most every course possible, lived in ffld for decades and did some independent poking around as the kool aid wore off, So, Mark, you spent almost your entire life inside a cult drinking koolaid and NOW you want us to believe what you have to say. If you lied about the Marshy for all those years, who's to say you're not lying now? but still knew only a fraction of the lowdown until I was put in touch with some ex personal secretaries of MMY, skin boys. Marshy's 'skin boys' probably know less that anyone about the 'low down' on the Marshy. I've known Ned Wynn since 1963 and the guy still doesn't have a clue what's going on. Tom Anderson was Marshy's secretary at Lan Antilla, and he's the insider that posted dozens of purported 'low down' anecdotes on Usenet - all of them nothing but misinformation and all of them totally discredited. Even they only know bits and pieces of what really goes on based on what their job was. To carry the Marshy's skin? The lowdown on the TMO is much more secret than most movts. Wilber may know some things about the practice, but practically nothing about the movt I'd wager. How much would you be willing to wager? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM - lowdown
Vaj wrote: Precisely what I was trying to convey, thanks for sharing your own experience. Mark just admitted that after decades of poking around, he still hardly knows anything, and he lived in Fairfield for years, a town you apparently never even visited. From what I've read, you haven't been within a thousand miles of a Maharishi Golden Dome in years. Correct me if I'm wrong about this. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
Don't know if this is a binding contract or not, but it certainly implies that one agrees to not teach TM outside the guidelines set up by the TM organization, incluidng any future requirements of recertification, wearing crowns, barking at the moon, etc. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Said I'd post this if I found it. If you haven't signed yours yet, please send it in soon :-) Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi (to be signed by the teacher of TM) It is my privilege Maharishi, to promise to teach the Principles and Practice of Transcendental Meditation only as a teacher-employee of which accepts me as such, that I will always hold the teaching in trust for you, dear Maharishi, and that I will never use the teaching except as teacher in or other organizations founded by you for the purpose of carrying on our work of spreading Transcendental Meditation for the good of mankind; that as a teacher in I shall receive such compensation as shall be agreed between and myself in writing and except as agreed in writing I expect to receive no monetary compensation but am fully compensated by the love and joy I receive from the work by the alleviation of suffering that I may accomplish and by the wisdom I obtain, expulsate and cherish. In furtherance of this pledge I acknowledge that prior to receiving the training I had no prior knowledge of such system of Teaching; that there is no other available source where the knowledge of such training may be obtained; that such teaching has been imparted to me in trust and confidence; that such training is secret and unique. I further recognize as a Meditation Guide and Initiator I am a link in the chain of organizations that you have founded, and that to retain the purity of the teaching and movement you have laid down the wise rule that, should I ever cease to teach in or other organizations founded by you, for the purpose of teaching Transcendental Meditation, I may be restrained by appropriate process from using this secret teaching and Transcendental Meditation imparted to me. It is my fortune Guru Dev that I am being accepted to serve the Holy Tradition and spread the light of God to all those who need it. It is my joy to undertake the responsibility of representing the Holy Tradition in all its purity as it has been given to me by Maharishi and I promise on your alter Guru Dev that with all my heart and mind I will always work within the framework of the Organizations founded by Maharishi. And to you, Maharishi, I promise that as a Meditation Guide I will be faithful in all ways to the trust that you have placed in me. JAI GURU DEV Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ASSC 10
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sparaig wrote: There's always TucsonConsciousness 2006 April 4-8: http://www.consciousness.arizona.edu/tucson2006.htm So, I take it you don't plan to attend ASSC 10. Thanks for the information about TucsonConsciousness - maybe I'll see you there. Will you be wearing a name badge? That's a professional convention that costs several hundred dollars to attend and so I won't be attended Tucson Consciousness 2006 either. Of course, TM never gets much play there, even though half the meditation researchers use MMY's theory of enlightenment progression as a starting point for their own theories. Can you cite any links to independent research describing MMY's theory of enlightenment progression? Not off-hand. There must be hundreds of scientific reports by now, either confirming the thory or rejecting it. There's a handful of studies that have come out of MUM on people with long-term 24/7 witnessing. Just listened to Fred travis give a brief presentation on one or two such studies last night. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 5, 2006, at 8:44 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Vaj wrote: Which matha are you particularly referring to? The matha at Sringeri, the headquarters of the Saraswati sampradaya, the Dasanami sect founded by the Shakaracharya. Sringeri was the headquarters matha of Swami Brahmanand Saraswati, whose teacher was Swami Krishnanand Saraswati of Sringeri. The mantrayana is not simply located at a particular monastery or math, in fact it is much more widespread. So, you're saying that many other temples in India, not just Brahmanand's headqurter matha at Sringeri, practice a meditation similar to TM and that the use of some TM bija mantras is widespread. It's very ubiquitous. Sri Vidya is not the only source of bija mantras. If they are real practitioners of the mantrayana why would they be worried about any temple other than that of their own bodies and those they loved? Because the Sri Vidya is a secret tantric sect - it's not available to non-initiates. Only insiders like Marshy know much about the bija mantras they use at Sringeri - Marshy was taught them by his master, Swami Brahmanand Saraswati over the course of thirteen years in the Himalayas. This has all been confirmed by Swami Rama - don't you read books? It was actually from a conversation with Sw. Rama that I found out that Mahesh was one of the leading suspects in the murder of Swami Brahmananda. Sw. Rama's teaching on meditation probably most closely resembles Swami Brahmananda's own practice, not TM. M, so you're saying that the fact that MMY produced a controvesial will didn't make the connection for you? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Willy On Apr 5, 2006, at 8:15 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Vaj wrote: What is unfortunate is that Ken really has probably never heard the 'dirty lowdown' on 'Marshy' and his movement. Surely you must be jesting, Vaj. Wilber co-authored 'Spiritual Choices' with Dick Anthony and you're saying that he probably never heard the 'dirty lowdown' on Marshy? Next you'll be telling us that Wilber never heard about the 'dirty lowdown' on the Adi Da Samraj. Get real! We don't know if he did or did not. Given that most of the lowdown on the TMO is shrouded in secrecy and often only accessible to an inner core of followers, I'd be surprised if he did. Hmmm, so you're saying that the TM-ex groups, among others, haven't maintained webpages for years on thte inner secret dirty laundry of TM and MMY and that the Wikipedia article on TM doesn't link to them? This list is certainly an example where secret material, some negative, filters out even to the surprise of old and close students of M. Unlike people like Adi Da or Rajneesh there really hasn't been an big expose on M. and the movement. They are very good at controlling information and of course, selling it. Go figure. Indeed... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM
Hi Willy: On Apr 5, 2006, at 9:36 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Vaj wrote: Surely you must be jesting, Vaj. Wilber co-authored 'Spiritual Choices' with Dick Anthony and you're saying that he probably never heard the 'dirty lowdown' on Marshy? We don't know if he did or did not. If you had read the book, you would know. Wilber mentions the 'dirty lowdown' on the Marshy in 'Spiritual Choices'. When are you going to read it? I have no plans to read it, esp. as I don't particularly like reading KW. He's much more enjoyable on video or recent audio. Given that most of the lowdown on the TMO is shrouded in secrecy and often only accessible to an inner core of followers, I'd be surprised if he did. I'd say that if Wilber, the author of dozens of books, including one with Dick Anthony and one with Peter Russell, once practiced TM and that if his parents currently practice TM, that probably Wilber knows more than you do about the TMO and the Marshy. I'll go based on what I have read in recent writings, lectures and talks. He may, he may not. As I'm talking to a number of his people, it may come up. We'll see. This list is certainly an example where secret material, some negative, filters out even to the surprise of old and close students of M. Are you suggesting that Wilber hasn't read the archives of Usenet or Yahoo! before he writes his books? I have no idea whether he has or not. I would doubt he would use such unreliable sources. Unlike people like Adi Da or Rajneesh there really hasn't been an big expose on M. and the movement. Go figure. I figure that Wilber knows more than you do about this subject. Adi Da is a friend of his, so he probably knows much more than I do. They are very good at controlling information and of course, selling it. Sounds like you've got a strong bias against the Marshy, so your anecdotes, stories, and comments would hardly be worth considering. I just prefer to see things as they are. On the other hand, Wilber seems to be a acknowledged authority. I'm sure that if Wilber thought something was 'low'down' about the Marshy he'd probably be reporting it. Doubtful since he's not a close student of M., As Mark pointed out, most of the inside scoop is just that: inside. I'm sure he'll continue to comment on what he finds valuable and what he is suspicious of in regards to research since it interfaces with what he does for living. Wilber certainly doesn't hesitate to describe some of the 'low down' things about the Adi Da and the Osho. Yes. It's important to admire the diamonds in this life...but it's also important to see the shit they're embedded in... So, you're saying that Wilber's parents practice TM, but Wilber doesn't see the 'shit they're embedded in'? Go figure. You are supposed to read the book BEFORE you make your comments. If I wanted to know what he thought, I'd read something more recent, the book you're referencing is 20 years old. So you haven't read all of Wilber's books, not even the most important ones. Go figure. Nor do I intend to read them all. There are only a few that would even interest me. I'm more content listening to his on-going lectures, etc. which reflect more current events and POV's. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM - lowdown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 5, 2006, at 9:09 AM, markmeredith2002 wrote: I think you 2 guys mean something completely different by lowdown. I practiced TM for decades, did most every course possible, lived in ffld for decades and did some independent poking around as the kool aid wore off, but still knew only a fraction of the lowdown until I was put in touch with some ex personal secretaries of MMY, skin boys. Even they only know bits and pieces of what really goes on based on what their job was. The lowdown on the TMO is much more secret than most movts. Wilber may know some things about the practice, but practically nothing about the movt I'd wager. Precisely what I was trying to convey, thanks for sharing your own experience. As I said, the TM-ex stuff doesn't cover any of this? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
Vaj wrote: It's very ubiquitous. So, you're saying that many other temples in India, not just Brahmanand's headquarters matha at Sringeri, practice a meditation similar to TM and that the use of some TM bija mantras is widespread. Sri Vidya is not the only source of bija mantras. So, you don't agree with Mr. Perino that there are no temples in all of India that practice a meditation technique similar to TM and use TM bija mantras. Mr. Perino, who is obviously not a pundit, seems to be unaware of the fact that Shankaracharya practiced a meditation technique similar to TM and used TM bija mantras in his sadhana and cited them when he composed the Saundaryalari. Because the Sri Vidya is a secret tantric sect - it's not available to non-initiates. Only insiders like Marshy know much about the bija mantras they use at Sringeri - Marshy was taught them by his master, Swami Brahmanand Saraswati over the course of thirteen years in the Himalayas. This has all been confirmed by Swami Rama - don't you read books? It was actually from a conversation with Sw. Rama that I found out that Mahesh was one of the leading suspects in the murder of Swami Brahmananda. It's common knowledge all over India that the Swami Rama was a big liar - he was never appointed to be a Shankaracharya. And Mahesh has never been a suspect in any murder case in India - if he was, we could all read about it in the Indian press, could we not? Newspapers over there don't seem to be averse to publishing the 'low down' about such incidents. In fact, it hasn't even been established that anyone was murdered, if you are referring to Swami Brahmanand, who died of natural causes. Sw. Rama's teaching on meditation probably most closely resembles Swami Brahmananda's own practice, not TM. Swami Rama's meditation teaching IS the TM technique, just like Yogananda, Muktananda, and countless other meditation teachers in the dhyana yoga tradition. There's only one transcendental absolute, Vaj. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wayback71 wrote: Richard, what is your point and could you just say it clearly? wayback71 - The Marshy doesn't need anymore people to sign up for TM training - he just needs to have the current teams of meditators sit in large groups to achieve the Maharishi effect, like we do at in the Superradience Dome at Radience. He doesn't need the apostates who went over to the Rama Lentz, the Sri Sri, the Prakash, or that older woman named Ma. So Marshy said to Girish Varma, his uncle, Who needs them? Nandikishore told me this because I've been an insider since wayback65. According to Steve Perino, not a single temple in all India uses bija mantras, like the ones used in TM, in their spiritual practice. Perino also stated that Shankaracharya didn't teach adwaita, but that's another thread. However, several years ago I discovered that in fact, the headquarters math of Guru Dev was at Sringeri, which is a noted seat of the Sri Vidya sect which practices a meditation similar to TM and that uses thirteen bija mantras contained in the Saundaryalahari, composed by the Shankaracharaya, which contains at least three TM bija mantras. Thank you. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM - lowdown
sparaig wrote: As I said, the TM-ex stuff doesn't cover any of this? Apparently not. I've read all of the TM-ex stuff posted on Usenet by Lon P. Stacks, Steve Perino, John Manning, Robert Kropinsky, John Knapp, Don Krieger, and Mike Doughney, several times, and there's no 'low down' information in there. It's all been thouroughly discredited. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM
On Apr 5, 2006, at 9:59 AM, sparaig wrote: Hmmm, so you're saying that the TM-ex groups, among others, haven't maintained webpages for years on thte inner secret dirty laundry of TM and MMY and that the Wikipedia article on TM doesn't link to them? Not I'm not saying that, but thanks for reminding me. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM - lowdown
On Apr 5, 2006, at 10:02 AM, sparaig wrote: As I said, the TM-ex stuff doesn't cover any of this? Some. I was thinking of more recent material and comment like seen here over the last several years. I had the impression that the TM-ex material had changed little in years. Am I incorrect in my impression? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: wayback71 wrote: Richard, what is your point and could you just say it clearly? wayback71 - The Marshy doesn't need anymore people to sign up for TM training - he just needs to have the current teams of meditators sit in large groups to achieve the Maharishi effect, like we do at in the Superradience Dome at Radience. He doesn't need the apostates who went over to the Rama Lentz, the Sri Sri, the Prakash, or that older woman named Ma. So Marshy said to Girish Varma, his uncle, Who needs them? Nandikishore told me this because I've been an insider since wayback65. According to Steve Perino, not a single temple in all India uses bija mantras, like the ones used in TM, in their spiritual practice. Perino also stated that Shankaracharya didn't teach adwaita, but that's another thread. However, several years ago I discovered that in fact, the headquarters math of Guru Dev was at Sringeri, which is a noted seat of the Sri Vidya sect which practices a meditation similar to TM and that uses thirteen bija mantras contained in the Saundaryalahari, composed by the Shankaracharaya, which contains at least three TM bija mantras. Thank you. Most every Indian spiritual group I've investigated uses some of the bija mantras - not necessarily in an eye-closed effortless meditation practice, but they seem to be very commonly known. As discussed here recently, early TMers report they weren't given bij mantras, but Ram. Speaking of Nandkisore, I'd always heard the story about how surprised he was when MMY taught him TM - there was nothing like it taught within their ashram. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
sparaig wrote: ...so you're saying that the fact that MMY produced a controvesial will didn't make the connection for you? It's not a fact that MMY 'produced' any controversial will. In fact, Brahmanand's will was found in a locked vault at the offices of the Jyotirmath Foundation Trust, and was produced by their barristers, not by MMY. And besides, it would have been MMY's job to produce the will, since MMY was Brahmanand's secretary and the administrator of Brahmanand's estate. At any rate, the will of Brahmanand was never contested in a court of law in India. The current Shankaracharya, Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati, is the sole owner of all the Jyotirmath land, the buildings, and all it's accoutrements. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
On Apr 5, 2006, at 10:04 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Vaj wrote: It's very ubiquitous. So, you're saying that many other temples in India, not just Brahmanand's headquarters matha at Sringeri, practice a meditation similar to TM and that the use of some TM bija mantras is widespread. large snip We've discussed your misconceptions on these subjects many times Willie. If you haven't gotten it by now, I suspect you don't want to. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
On Apr 5, 2006, at 10:01 AM, sparaig wrote: It was actually from a conversation with Sw. Rama that I found out that Mahesh was one of the leading suspects in the murder of Swami Brahmananda. Sw. Rama's teaching on meditation probably most closely resembles Swami Brahmananda's own practice, not TM. M, so you're saying that the fact that MMY produced a controvesial will didn't make the connection for you? This was long before I knew about the will controversy. Actually this was back when I actually believed M. was some sort of chosen descendent of SBS. It was a shock at the time. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
markmeredith wrote: Most every Indian spiritual group I've investigated uses some of the bija mantras - not necessarily in an eye-closed effortless meditation practice, but they seem to be very commonly known. So, it's a common practice all over India - Mr. Perino was mistaken. As discussed here recently, early TMers report they weren't given bij mantras, but Ram. Maybe so, but I'm TM meditator #212 in the USA, according to Beaulah Smith, and I never got a 'Ram' bija mantra. From what I've read, the very first TM meditator in India, a certain Mr. Raya, recieved the same bija I recieved in 1965, that would be ten years after the founding of the SRM by Marshy. Speaking of Nandkisore, I'd always heard the story about how surprised he was when MMY taught him TM - there was nothing like it taught within their ashram. If true, then Nandkisore obviously didn't get around very much - a technique similar to TM was taught at Jyotirmath for years and as you and Vaj have confiremd, the technique and the bija mantras are ubiquitous all over India. Go figure. The mantra you mentioned, 'ram', which isn't even a bija mantra but the name of a deified hero, wasn't listed on Trancenet by John Knapp nor was it mentioned by Mike Doughney on Minit Org's Website. The mantra 'ram' isn't mentioned by Robert Kropinsky either, in his report concerning his visit to the Shankaracharya: Further, I spoke aloud the sixteen mantras..., (see citation below). You may be mistaken on this - apparently 'ram' has never been used by Marshy as a bija mantra for program. I could be wrong though. From: John Manning Date: Mon, Oct 22 2001 12:00 pm Groups: alt.meditation.transcendental Subject: To BillyG http://tinyurl.com/fq8m5 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM
Vaj wrote: Not I'm not saying that, but thanks for reminding me. Trancenet is no longer available on the Internet. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip It was actually from a conversation with Sw. Rama that I found out that Mahesh was one of the leading suspects in the murder of Swami Brahmananda. Sw. Rama's teaching on meditation probably most closely resembles Swami Brahmananda's own practice, not TM. Careful, Vaj. You're showing a bit too much of your stripes. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM
Vaj wrote: I have no plans to read it, esp. as I don't particularly like reading KW. Well, you read it here - Wilber hasn't made any comments on the 'low down' on the Marshy, except in his book 'Spiritual Choices'. He's much more enjoyable on video or recent audio. Better in person. I'd say that if Wilber, the author of dozens of books, including one with Dick Anthony and one with Peter Russell, once practiced TM and that if his parents currently practice TM, that probably Wilber knows more than you do about the TMO and the Marshy. I'll go based on what I have read in recent writings, lectures and talks. Peter Russell is the author of 'The TM Boook'. Ken Wilber wrote the forward to Russell's recent book 'The Consciousness Revolution'. Wilber didn't say anything about the 'low down' on the Marshy. 'The Consciousness Revolution' by Ervin Laszlo, Stanislav Grof, Peter Russell Elf Rock, 2003 Are you suggesting that Wilber hasn't read the archives of Usenet or Yahoo! before he writes his books? I have no idea whether he has or not. It's obvious that you haven't. I would doubt he would use such unreliable sources. But you get almost all your TMO information from the Internet. I figure that Wilber knows more than you do about this subject. Adi Da is a friend of his, so he probably knows much more than I do. It hasn't been established that you know much about the Adi Da or the Marshy. Sounds like you've got a strong bias against the Marshy, so your anecdotes, stories, and comments would hardly be worth considering. I just prefer to see things as they are. So you do have a strong bias against the Marshy. On the other hand, Wilber seems to be a acknowledged authority. I'm sure that if Wilber thought something was 'low'down' about the Marshy he'd probably be reporting it. Doubtful since he's not a close student of M., As Mark pointed out, most of the inside scoop is just that: inside. But niether you nor Mark are any longer 'inside' the TMO, but I am, and I say you both full of it. Chances are, that if either of you two were ever inside, you got kicked out, hence the strong bias against the Marshy. I'm sure he'll continue to comment on what he finds valuable and what he is suspicious of in regards to research since it interfaces with what he does for living. So, Wilber hasn't found out or commented on any 'low down' about the Marshy, although he does that for a living. So you haven't read all of Wilber's books, not even the most important ones. Nor do I intend to read them all. There are only a few that would even interest me. But not the one that gives the 'low down' on the Marshy. Go figure. I'm more content listening to his on-going lectures, etc. which reflect more current events and POV's. But Wilber hasn't made any comments lately about the Marshy - so why are you opening your big pie hole and making claims that Wilber has the 'low down' on the Marshy? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
markmeredith wrote:
Most every Indian spiritual group I've investigated uses some
of the bija mantras - not necessarily in an eye-closed effortless
meditation practice, but they seem to be very commonly known.
So, it's a common practice all over India - Mr. Perino was mistaken.
As discussed here recently, early TMers report they weren't given
bij mantras, but Ram.
Maybe so, but I'm TM meditator #212 in the USA, according to Beaulah
Smith, and I never got a 'Ram' bija mantra. From what I've read, the
very first TM meditator in India, a certain Mr. Raya, recieved the
same bija I recieved in 1965, that would be ten years after the
founding of the SRM by Marshy.
Speaking of Nandkisore, I'd always heard the story about how
surprised he was when MMY taught him TM - there was nothing
like it taught within their ashram.
If true, then Nandkisore obviously didn't get around very much - a
technique similar to TM was taught at Jyotirmath for years and as
you
and Vaj have confiremd, the technique and the bija mantras are
ubiquitous all over India. Go figure.
The mantra you mentioned, 'ram',
AFAIK, that's raama, not ram.
rAma mf(%{A4})n. (prob. ` causing rest ' , and in most meanings fr.
%{ram}) dark , dark-coloured , black (cf. %{rAtri}) AV. TA1r. (%
[EMAIL PROTECTED] a black bird , crow Ka1t2hGr2. Vishn2.) ; white (?)
L. ; pleasing , pleasant , charming , lovely , beautiful MBh. Ka1v.
c. ; m. a kind of deer Car. ; a horse L. ; a lover VarBr2S. ;
pleasure , joy , delight BhP. ; N. of Varun2a. L. ; N. of various
mythical personages (in Veda two Ra1mas are mentioned with the patr.
Ma1rgaveya and Aupatasvini ; another RñRa1mas with the patr.
Ja1madagnya [cf. below] is the supposed author of RV. x , 110 ; in
later times three RñRa1mas are celebrated , viz. 1. Paras3u-ra1ma
[q.v.] , who forms the 6th Avata1ra of Vishn2u and is sometimes
called Ja1madagnya , as son of the sage Jamad-agni by Ren2uka1 , and
sometimes Bha1rgava , as descended from Bhr2igu ; 2. Ra1ma-candra
[see below] ; 3. Bala-ra1ma [q.v.] , ` the strong Ra1ma ' , also
called Hala7yudha and regarded as elder brother of Kr2ishn2a [RTL.
112] accord. to Jainas a Ra1ma is enumerated among the 9 white
Balas ; and in VP. a RñRa1mas is mentioned among the 7 R2ishis of the
8th Manv-antara) RV. c c. N. of a king of Malla-pura Cat. ; of a
king of S3r2in3ga-vera and patron of Na1ge7s3a ib. ; of various
authors and teachers (also with %{AcArya} , %{upA7dhyAya} , %{kavi} ,
%{cakra-vartin} , %{jyotir-vid} , %{jyau-} %{tiSaka} , %{tarka-vAg-
Iza} , %{dIkSita} , %{daiva-jJa} , %{paNDita} , %{bhaTTa} , %
{bhaTTA7cArya} , %{vAjapeyin} , %{zarman} , %{zAstrin} , %
{saMyamin} , %{sUri} c.) Cat. ;
ram el. 1.A1. (Dha1tup. xx , 23) %{ramate} (Ved. also P. %{ra4mati}
or %{ramNAti} pf. %{rarAma} MBh. ; %{reme} Br. c. ; aor. 3. pl. %
{ranta} RV. ; %{araMsIt} Ka1v. ; %{araMsta} RV. ; %{raMsiSam} SV. ;
fut. %{rantA} Gr. ; %{raMsyati} Br. ; %{-te} ib. c. ; inf. %
{ramitum} MBh. ; %{rantum} ib. c. ; %{rantos} Br. ; ind. p. %
{ratvA4} ib. ; %{rantvA} Ka1v. ; %{-ramya} or %{-ratya} Pa1n2. 6-4 ,
38) , to stop , stay , make fast , calm , set at rest (P. ; esp.
pres. %{ramNAti}) RV. VS. ; (P.A1.)to delight , make happy , enjoy
carnally MBh. Hariv. S3ukas. ; (A1.) to stand still , rest , abide ,
like to stay with (loc. or dat.) RV. c. c. ; (A1. ; P. only m. c.)
to be glad or pleased , rejoice at , delight in , be fond of (loc.
instr. or inf.) RV. c. c. ; to play or sport , dally , have sexual
intercourse with (instr. with or without %{samam} , %{saha} , %
{sAkam} or %{sA7rdham}) , ChUP. MBh. c. ; to couple (said of deer)
Pa1n2. 3-1 , 26 , Va1tt. 8 Pat. (cf. Caus.) ; to play with i.e. put
to stake (instr.) Bhat2t2.: Caus. %{rama4yati} or %{rAma4yati} (aor. %
{a4rIramat}) , to cause to stay , stop , set at rest RV. TS.
Pan5cavBr. Ka1tyS3r. ; (%{ramayati} , m.c. also %{-te}) to gladden ,
delight , please , caress , enjoy carnally MBh. Ka1v. c. (3. sg. %
{ramayati-tarAm} , Ratna7v. iii , 9) ; to enjoy one's self , be
pleased or delighted MBh. Hariv. ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] , he tells that
the deer are coupling Pa1n2. 3-1 , 26 Va1rtt. 8 Pat.: Desid. in %
{riraMsA} , %{-su} q.v.: Desid. of Caus. in %{riramayiSu} q.v.:
Intesis. %{raMramyate} or %{raMramIti} Pa1n2. 7-4 , 85. [Cf. Zd.
ram , Gk. $ , 262829[867 ,2] $ , $ ; Lith. {rimti} ; Goth.
{rimis}.]
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[FairfieldLife] Chlorophyll, Lymph and Milk
Yogis have remarked that chlorophyll greatly improves the function of the brain and positively facilitates intellectual/psychic abilities. They also mention that it facilitates milk production, something many women are still desirous of after pregnancy and may require the assistance of either a wetnurse or may choose to feed their newborn 'formula' instead. My questions to youare at what stage in her growth is the most opportune time for this chlorophyll to have its positive influence to facilitate milk production: before pregnancy, after pregnancy, during pregnancy, pubescence, pre-pubesence? In your work in developing countries, or in any basic necessities programs you know of in developing countries,are chlorophyll-rich foodsemphasized as curative, remedial or milk enhancing for young families? Here are some notes on chlorophyll and its effect onmilk production and other magnificent influences upon human evolution: Yoga gives great credence to chlorophyll and its influence upon the pineal gland, producer of serotonin and many other subtle mind chemicals that facilitate our evolution as humans. Take the opportunity to spend days, weeks drinking freshly juiced vegetables throughout your day, especially the yellow, green and blue ones, broad leafies such as collard greens, bundles of joy such as broccoli and squash. You can and will experience the difference chlorophyll will make. Vegetarians produce more lymph because they get chlorophyll from grass and other green vegetation, and that is why their brains are more developed than those of non-vegetarians. Those who consume animal protein [neglecting green vegetation] suffer from want of lymph because animal protein contains very little chlorophyll. Tigers and cats are carnivores, which is why they produce less milk. Cows and buffaloes produce much more milk because they take chlorophyll from green grass and green vegetation. Maximum lymph is produced from food which contains a lot of chlorophyll, such as green vegetables and especially the tips of the stems of creepers. Granivorous animals produce much milk, while carnivorous animals, such as dogs, give very little milk. Lymph is produced from animal protein also, but because animal protein produces a lot of heat in the human body, the lymph is quickly converted into semen. Monkeys and deer produce much lymph, but it is not converted into semen because it is utilised in running and jumping. Although carnivores may be more clever or cunning than granivores, they are generally less intellectual. It will be very difficult for a tiger, a cat or a dog to perform spiritual practices. A monkey or a cow may perform spiritual practices because they get much chlorophyll from grass and other green vegetation. Granivorous animals produce more lymph than carnivores, and that is why their brains are more developed. Your insights and experience are greatly welcomed. Flourishingly,Dharma Mitrahttp://PROUT-Ananlysis-Synthesis.latest-info.com Human society is at a vital new juncture,the decrepit skeleton of things tried andproven false is rapidly being rent asunder.Today we are on the precipice of a glorious new dawn in human evolution. Embrace this crimson dawn of the glorious new day. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM - lowdown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 5, 2006, at 10:02 AM, sparaig wrote: As I said, the TM-ex stuff doesn't cover any of this? Some. I was thinking of more recent material and comment like seen here over the last several years. I had the impression that the TM-ex material had changed little in years. Am I incorrect in my impression? They don't maintain the websites any more that I can tell. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 5, 2006, at 10:01 AM, sparaig wrote: It was actually from a conversation with Sw. Rama that I found out that Mahesh was one of the leading suspects in the murder of Swami Brahmananda. Sw. Rama's teaching on meditation probably most closely resembles Swami Brahmananda's own practice, not TM. M, so you're saying that the fact that MMY produced a controvesial will didn't make the connection for you? This was long before I knew about the will controversy. Actually this was back when I actually believed M. was some sort of chosen descendent of SBS. What makes you think he is not? It was a shock at the time. You're easily shocked since succession issues have been all the rage in religious and spiritual traditions since the dawn of history. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: snip It was actually from a conversation with Sw. Rama that I found out that Mahesh was one of the leading suspects in the murder of Swami Brahmananda. Sw. Rama's teaching on meditation probably most closely resembles Swami Brahmananda's own practice, not TM. Careful, Vaj. You're showing a bit too much of your stripes. Swami Rama claimshe learned a specific meditation technique involving his own prayer beads (or whatever they are called) from Gurudev. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM
On Apr 5, 2006, at 11:16 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: But Wilber hasn't made any comments lately about the Marshy - so why are you opening your big pie hole and making claims that Wilber has the 'low down' on the Marshy? Actually I said the opposite of what you're claiming: What is unfortunate is that Ken really has probably never heard the 'dirty lowdown' on 'Marshy' and his movement. And really, the context of this overall discussion was his comments on TM research. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 5, 2006, at 11:16 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: But Wilber hasn't made any comments lately about the Marshy - so why are you opening your big pie hole and making claims that Wilber has the 'low down' on the Marshy? Actually I said the opposite of what you're claiming: What is unfortunate is that Ken really has probably never heard the 'dirty lowdown' on 'Marshy' and his movement. And really, the context of this overall discussion was his comments on TM research. And what have they been? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chlorophyll, Lymph and Milk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dharma Mitra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yogis have remarked that chlorophyll greatly improves the function of the brain and positively facilitates intellectual/psychic abilities. They also mention that it facilitates milk production, something many women are still desirous of after pregnancy and may require the assistance of either a wetnurse or may choose to feed their newborn 'formula' instead. My questions to you are at what stage in her growth is the most opportune time for this chlorophyll to have its positive influence to facilitate milk production: before pregnancy, after pregnancy, during pregnancy, pubescence, pre-pubesence? In your work in developing countries, or in any basic necessities programs you know of in developing countries, are chlorophyll-rich foods emphasized as curative, remedial or milk enhancing for young families? Here are some notes on chlorophyll and its effect on milk production and other magnificent influences upon human evolution: Yoga gives great credence to chlorophyll and its influence upon the pineal gland, producer of serotonin and many other subtle mind chemicals that facilitate our evolution as humans. Take the opportunity to spend days, weeks drinking freshly juiced vegetables throughout your day, especially the yellow, green and blue ones, broad leafies such as collard greens, bundles of joy such as broccoli and squash. You can and will experience the difference chlorophyll will make. Vegetarians produce more lymph because they get chlorophyll from grass and other green vegetation, and that is why their brains are more developed than those of non-vegetarians. Those who consume animal protein [neglecting green vegetation] suffer from want of lymph because animal protein contains very little chlorophyll. Tigers and cats are carnivores, which is why they produce less milk. Cows and buffaloes produce much more milk because they take chlorophyll from green grass and green vegetation. Maximum lymph is produced from food which contains a lot of chlorophyll, such as green vegetables and especially the tips of the stems of creepers. Granivorous animals produce much milk, while carnivorous animals, such as dogs, give very little milk. Lymph is produced from animal protein also, but because animal protein produces a lot of heat in the human body, the lymph is quickly converted into semen. Monkeys and deer produce much lymph, but it is not converted into semen because it is utilised in running and jumping. Although carnivores may be more clever or cunning than granivores, they are generally less intellectual. It will be very difficult for a tiger, a cat or a dog to perform spiritual practices. A monkey or a cow may perform spiritual practices because they get much chlorophyll from grass and other green vegetation. Granivorous animals produce more lymph than carnivores, and that is why their brains are more developed. Your insights and experience are greatly welcomed. Flourishingly, Dharma Mitra http://PROUT-Ananlysis-Synthesis.latest-info.com *Human society is at a vital new juncture, the decrepit skeleton of things tried and proven false is rapidly being rent asunder. Today we are on the precipice of a glorious new dawn in human evolution. Embrace this crimson dawn of the glorious new day.* ** ** ** Personally I am a omnivore, and no intellectual. On the other hand, my mind is clear and sharp, and I eat fresh food as often as possible. It seems that intent has more to do with our success and committment to spiritual practices than diet does. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM
sparaig wrote: And what have they been? The only specific reference to the Marshy, low-down or otherwise, or to TM research by Ken Wilber that I can find in any of Wilber's books or tapes is contained in his introduction to 'Spiritual Choices' - it's in most public libraries. However, I would have expected a lot more discussion by Wilber concerning the research on TM and the mechanics of conciousness. Maybe he just doesn't have the expertise to make any comments on it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
sparaig wrote: Swami Rama claims he learned a specific meditation technique involving his own prayer beads (or whatever they are called) from Gurudev. Not just a meditation technique for counting prayer beads - Swami Rama was apparently intiated into the secret Sri Vidya cult by Swami Brahmanand Saraswati. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
Vaj wrote: It was a shock at the time. sparaig wrote: You're easily shocked since succession issues have been all the rage in religious and spiritual traditions since the dawn of history. Vaj seems not to be aware of the fact that the controversy concerning the succession at Jyotirmath was ongoing for over 150 years (some say 250 years). For all we know, the real Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath is the Rawal at the Badrinath Temple. What's shocking is that Vaj would still be posting rumors about a murder at Jyotirmath in order to prove his point. There's no evidence that a murder ever took place at Jyotirmath in a conspiracy between the Marshy and the Ashram Cook. That's just absurd and rediculous on it's face. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM - lowdown
sparaig wrote: They don't maintain the websites any more that I can tell. Trancenet has been down for a couple of years - Minit Org (Meditation Information Network) hasn't been updated since at least 1994. However, Mike Doughney and John Knapp drop in every once in a while on Usenet to try and start another forum riot or flame war. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shankara's native language?
Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote The first and original Shankara is Lord Shiva - the Adi Shankara. Shankara in his lifetime was referred to as Acharya Shree. Pardon... but how do you know this for sure? Are you suggesting it is incorrect to refer to Shankara as Adi Shankara? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vaj wrote: It was a shock at the time. sparaig wrote: You're easily shocked since succession issues have been all the rage in religious and spiritual traditions since the dawn of history. Vaj seems not to be aware of the fact that the controversy concerning the succession at Jyotirmath was ongoing for over 150 years (some say 250 years). For all we know, the real Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath is the Rawal at the Badrinath Temple. What's shocking is that Vaj would still be posting rumors about a murder at Jyotirmath in order to prove his point. There's no evidence that a murder ever took place at Jyotirmath in a conspiracy between the Marshy and the Ashram Cook. That's just absurd and rediculous on it's face. Agreed. It is a poisonous and rediculous rumor. Gossip at its worst. Guru Dev was definitely not murdered. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Churning the Milk Ocean
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The most popular version of the Indian myth 'Churning the Milk Ocean' is found in the Eighth Canto of the Bhagavata Purana. In Buddhist mythology, Amrita is the drink of the gods, which grants them immortality. The Ninth Mandala of the Rigveda is known as the Soma Mandala. According to Terrence McKenna in his book The Food Of Gods, the psilocybin-containing Stropharia cubensis mushroom is a likely Soma candidate. Psilocybin, the active psychoactive component in Stropharia Cubensis has a strong hallucinogenic nature. Soma (Sanskrit), or Haoma (Avestan) was a ritual drink of importance among the early Indo-Iranians, and the later Vedic and Iranian cultures. It is frequently mentioned in the Rigveda, which contains many hymns praising its energizing or intoxicating qualities. Interesting how people want to assume that Soma is current hallucinogens. McKenna probably believed is own mind while tripping. Baseless assumption. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM - lowdown
Vaj wrote: I was thinking of more recent material and comment like seen here over the last several years. The information here sucks, big time. If all you've got is a few emails from ex-Marshy skin boys, then you've really got nothing. Skin boys don't know Jack. If insiders like Rick and Mark, who have spent years inside the TMO, don't have the dirty lowdown, then probably nobody has it. That is, unless Rick and Mark were never really inside the TMO in the first place. In order to be inside the TMO you'd have to be inside the big house at Vlodrop inside the Marshy's bedroom. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ASSC 10
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course, TM never gets much play there, eventhough half the meditation researchers use MMY's theory of enlightenment progression as a starting point for their own theories. You think his theory is original? Didn't he say, nothin new under the sun? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
On Apr 5, 2006, at 12:01 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Vaj seems not to be aware of the fact that the controversy concerning the succession at Jyotirmath was ongoing for over 150 years (some say 250 years). Actually Willie, I was aware of all this. For all we know, the real Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath is the Rawal at the Badrinath Temple. What's shocking is that Vaj would still be posting rumors about a murder at Jyotirmath in order to prove his point. I was responding to your remarks implying I was not familiar with Sw. R's connection to SBS. Don't ask so many questions if you don't want to hear an answer! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Said I'd post this if I found it. If you haven't signed yours yet, please send it in soon :-) Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi (to be signed by the teacher of TM) It is my privilege Maharishi, to promise to teach the Principles and Practice of Transcendental Meditation only as a teacher-employee of which accepts me as such, that I will always hold the teaching in trust for you, dear Maharishi, and that I will never use the teaching except as teacher in or other organizations founded by you for the purpose of carrying on our work of spreading Transcendental Meditation for the good of mankind; that as a teacher in I shall receive such compensation as shall be agreed between and myself in writing and except as agreed in writing I expect to receive no monetary compensation but am fully compensated by the love and joy I receive from the work by the alleviation of suffering that I may accomplish and by the wisdom I obtain, expulsate and cherish. In furtherance of this pledge I acknowledge that prior to receiving the training I had no prior knowledge of such system of Teaching; that there is no other available source where the knowledge of such training may be obtained; that such teaching has been imparted to me in trust and confidence; that such training is secret and unique. I further recognize as a Meditation Guide and Initiator I am a link in the chain of organizations that you have founded, and that to retain the purity of the teaching and movement you have laid down the wise rule that, should I ever cease to teach in or other organizations founded by you, for the purpose of teaching Transcendental Meditation, I may be restrained by appropriate process from using this secret teaching and Transcendental Meditation imparted to me. It is my fortune Guru Dev that I am being accepted to serve the Holy Tradition and spread the light of God to all those who need it. It is my joy to undertake the responsibility of representing the Holy Tradition in all its purity as it has been given to me by Maharishi and I promise on your alter Guru Dev that with all my heart and mind I will always work within the framework of the Organizations founded by Maharishi. And to you, Maharishi, I promise that as a Meditation Guide I will be faithful in all ways to the trust that you have placed in me. Who in the Holy Tradition would ever accept money for such? They would go to hell. What Guru would ever put such a sacred bond to paper? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
So, you're saying that many other temples in India, not just Brahmanand's headquarters matha at Sringeri, practice a meditation similar to TM and that the use of some TM bija mantras is widespread. Vaj wrote: We've discussed your misconceptions on these subjects many times Willie. There's no 'Willie', but if it makes you feel superior, call me by my email address. If you haven't gotten it by now, I suspect you don't want to. The only thing I've been able to get out of you is that you think you've got the dirty low-down on the Marshy and the Swami Rama. But you've admitted that techniques similar to TM and the use of the same bijas are in widespread use all over India. That leads me to conclude that TM is probably the most popular meditation practice in all of India. When you put that together with the popularity of the Deepackage and the Sri Sri, Marshy is like a household word over there. There must be millions of people in India doing program based on the teachings of Marshy. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
On Apr 5, 2006, at 8:44 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Vaj wrote: Which matha are you particularly referring to? The matha at Sringeri, the headquarters of the Saraswati sampradaya, the Dasanami sect founded by the Shakaracharya. Sringeri was the headquarters matha of Swami Brahmanand Saraswati, whose teacher was Swami Krishnanand Saraswati of Sringeri. snip Because the Sri Vidya is a secret tantric sect - it's not available to non-initiates. Only insiders like Marshy know much about the bija mantras they use at Sringeri - Marshy was taught them by his master, Swami Brahmanand Saraswati over the course of thirteen years in the Himalayas. This has all been confirmed by Swami Rama - don't you read books? If it is not available to non-initiates how would mahesh know this information? Does his name contain Saraswati? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: Vaj wrote: It was a shock at the time. sparaig wrote: You're easily shocked since succession issues have been all the rage in religious and spiritual traditions since the dawn of history. Vaj seems not to be aware of the fact that the controversy concerning the succession at Jyotirmath was ongoing for over 150 years (some say 250 years). For all we know, the real Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath is the Rawal at the Badrinath Temple. What's shocking is that Vaj would still be posting rumors about a murder at Jyotirmath in order to prove his point. There's no evidence that a murder ever took place at Jyotirmath in a conspiracy between the Marshy and the Ashram Cook. That's just absurd and rediculous on it's face. Agreed. It is a poisonous and rediculous rumor. Gossip at its worst. Guru Dev was definitely not murdered. Just a rumor? Why, our Vaj just told us Maharishi was a leading suspect! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
There's no evidence that a murder ever took place at Jyotirmath in a conspiracy between the Marshy and the Ashram Cook. That's just absurd and rediculous on it's face. jim_flanegin wrote: Agreed. It is a poisonous and rediculous rumor. Gossip at its worst. Guru Dev was definitely not murdered. That's right Jim - according to what I've read, Guru Dev died of natural causes at Calcutta, not at Jyotirmath, and Guru Dev didn't even have a cook; he prepared all his own meals. Swamis of the Dasanami Order aren't supposed to be playing with fire or eating the cooked food of others. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM - lowdown
on 4/5/06 11:20 AM, Richard J. Williams at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vaj wrote: I was thinking of more recent material and comment like seen here over the last several years. The information here sucks, big time. If all you've got is a few emails from ex-Marshy skin boys, then you've really got nothing. Skin boys don't know Jack. If insiders like Rick and Mark, who have spent years inside the TMO, don't have the dirty lowdown, then probably nobody has it. That is, unless Rick and Mark were never really inside the TMO in the first place. In order to be inside the TMO you'd have to be inside the big house at Vlodrop inside the Marshy's bedroom. Like Jennifer, Judith, Linda, Angie, etc., etc. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
On Apr 5, 2006, at 12:36 PM, authfriend wrote: Just a rumor? Why, our Vaj just told us Maharishi was a leading suspect! Don't kill the messenger! Actually it was Sri Swami Rama, a student of Guru Dev's, who said it. So take it up with his ashes! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
The mantra you mentioned, 'ram', cardemaister wrote: AFAIK, that's raama, not ram. You are mistaken - 'raam' isn't a bija mantra in the tantric tradition - it's the name of a deified hero of Ayodha. The word 'ram' is used as a mantra by courtesy only. According to Swami Bhaktivedanta, the 'mantra' 'ram' is to be repeated on a daily basis, based on the teachings of Chaitanya. Bija mantras are not found in standard Sanskrit lexicons. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chlorophyll, Lymph and Milk
And you're a wetnurse too, oh jnani on the spot, Flanegin? Do share, please. Of all that anyone leading or teaching has to convey, the most valuable thing to cultivate and convey to others is a moral conscience. Only such persons deserve to lead others, in any capacity. Anything less is a menace to society. On 4/5/06, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally I am a omnivore, and no intellectual. On the other hand,my mind is clear and sharp, and I eat fresh food as often as possible. It seems that intent has more to do with our success andcommittment to spiritual practices than diet does. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
On Apr 5, 2006, at 11:29 AM, sparaig wrote: It was a shock at the time. You're easily shocked since succession issues have been all the rage in religious and spiritual traditions since the dawn of history. It was the first time I had heard of a Shankaracharya student poisoning his teacher. You also need to understand that no one I had spoken to had heard of this poisoning scenario at the time--this was c. 1980. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 4/4/06 10:27 PM, bmorry2000 at bmorry2000@ wrote: Insiders know they were told to leave. Aging parents provided a public excuse for the OJs. So why were they told to leave? (OJ's and Goldmans) I don't know for sure what happened, but it could have been part of the power struggle, that slowly pushed everyone out, who wasn't aligned with the new administration, Bevan, and people who had come from Europe, to take over the administration. The 'old timers' on the board of directors were also pushed out, several years before then.. As a ship sinks, I wonder if those who are told to leave are happy or unhappy about it... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Willy On Apr 5, 2006, at 8:15 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Vaj wrote: What is unfortunate is that Ken really has probably never heard the 'dirty lowdown' on 'Marshy' and his movement. Surely you must be jesting, Vaj. Wilber co-authored 'Spiritual Choices' with Dick Anthony and you're saying that he probably never heard the 'dirty lowdown' on Marshy? Next you'll be telling us that Wilber never heard about the 'dirty lowdown' on the Adi Da Samraj. Get real! We don't know if he did or did not. Given that most of the lowdown on the TMO is shrouded in secrecy and often only accessible to an inner core of followers, Isn't it all pretty much on this forum and its archives, available to all and any with a computer and an internet link? I'd be surprised if he did. This list is certainly an example where secret material, some negative, filters out even to the surprise of old and close students of M. Unlike people like Adi Da or Rajneesh there really hasn't been an big expose on M. and the movement. They are very good at controlling information and of course, selling it. Go figure. It's important to admire the diamonds in this life...but it's also important to see the shit they're embedded in... So, you're saying that Wilber's parents practice TM, but Wilber doesn't see the 'shit they're embedded in'? Go figure. You are supposed to read the book BEFORE you make your comments. If I wanted to know what he thought, I'd read something more recent, the book you're referencing is 20 years old. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't know if this is a binding contract or not, but it certainly implies that one agrees to not teach TM outside the guidelines set up by the TM organization, incluidng any future requirements of recertification, wearing crowns, barking at the moon, etc. ...we are satisfied pretty much amends anything here, I would say. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Said I'd post this if I found it. If you haven't signed yours yet, please send it in soon :-) Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi (to be signed by the teacher of TM) It is my privilege Maharishi, to promise to teach the Principles and Practice of Transcendental Meditation only as a teacher-employee of which accepts me as such, that I will always hold the teaching in trust for you, dear Maharishi, and that I will never use the teaching except as teacher in or other organizations founded by you for the purpose of carrying on our work of spreading Transcendental Meditation for the good of mankind; that as a teacher in I shall receive such compensation as shall be agreed between and myself in writing and except as agreed in writing I expect to receive no monetary compensation but am fully compensated by the love and joy I receive from the work by the alleviation of suffering that I may accomplish and by the wisdom I obtain, expulsate and cherish. In furtherance of this pledge I acknowledge that prior to receiving the training I had no prior knowledge of such system of Teaching; that there is no other available source where the knowledge of such training may be obtained; that such teaching has been imparted to me in trust and confidence; that such training is secret and unique. I further recognize as a Meditation Guide and Initiator I am a link in the chain of organizations that you have founded, and that to retain the purity of the teaching and movement you have laid down the wise rule that, should I ever cease to teach in or other organizations founded by you, for the purpose of teaching Transcendental Meditation, I may be restrained by appropriate process from using this secret teaching and Transcendental Meditation imparted to me. It is my fortune Guru Dev that I am being accepted to serve the Holy Tradition and spread the light of God to all those who need it. It is my joy to undertake the responsibility of representing the Holy Tradition in all its purity as it has been given to me by Maharishi and I promise on your alter Guru Dev that with all my heart and mind I will always work within the framework of the Organizations founded by Maharishi. And to you, Maharishi, I promise that as a Meditation Guide I will be faithful in all ways to the trust that you have placed in me. JAI GURU DEV To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shankara's native language?
The first and original Shankara is Lord Shiva - the Adi Shankara. Shankara in his lifetime was referred to as Acharya Shree. anon_astute_ff wrote: Pardon... but how do you know this for sure? One of my teachers, Swami Prakashanand Saraswati, a direct desciple of Guru Dev, told me so. He's a pundit and a bhakta - very learned. Are you suggesting it is incorrect to refer to Shankara as Adi Shankara? No, not if you're a scholar or an author, but if you're a devotee, you'd refer to the master as Acharya Shree or Guru Dev, and reserve the Adi for Lord Shiva, the original Shankara. Most likely, devotees during Shankaracharya's lifetime would have addressed him as 'Shree' using their native language, probably a dialect of Malayam. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 5, 2006, at 12:36 PM, authfriend wrote: Just a rumor? Why, our Vaj just told us Maharishi was a leading suspect! Don't kill the messenger! Actually it was Sri Swami Rama, a student of Guru Dev's, who said it. So take it up with his ashes! The messenger wrote: It was actually from a conversation with Sw. Rama that I found out that Mahesh was one of the leading suspects in the murder of Swami Brahmananda. The messenger appears to have chosen some very, shall we say, interesting wording to convey his message. Found out that... and found out that there was a rumor that... carry very different connotations. As well, leading suspect sounds so very much as if, you know, law enforcement was involved, having decided there *had* been a homicide, and having narrowed down the suspects to Maharishi and a few others. I mean, somebody who wasn't aware of the rumor and what its origin was might actually think, from the way the messenger phrased it, that it was established fact that Guru Dev had been murdered and that MMY was an official suspect in the crime. But perhaps that's the way Swami Rama phrased it, and perhaps the messenger was so uninformed that he took it that way, seeing no need to qualify it. Or perhaps not. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM
on 4/5/06 11:56 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know for sure what happened, but it could have been part of the power struggle, that slowly pushed everyone out, who wasn't aligned with the new administration, Bevan, and people who had come from Europe, to take over the administration. The 'old timers' on the board of directors were also pushed out, several years before then.. As a ship sinks, I wonder if those who are told to leave are happy or unhappy about it... Probably different people react differently. I think some are unhappy at first but increasingly happy as the get more and more distance from it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Churning the Milk Ocean
anon_astute_ff wrote: Interesting how people want to assume that Soma is current hallucinogens. Hallucinogen ingestion has existed since the beginning of plant cultivation. Apparently one of the first plants domesticated by man was the barley plant, from which the ancients made beer. Closely followed by hemp and then shrooms. There's no evidence that alcaloid use is a recent practice in India. Millions of yogis, fakirs, and saints chew betel nut and dip snuff on a daily basis in India and have done so for thousands of years. McKenna probably believed is own mind while tripping. Maybe so, but there's no evidence that McKenna ever tripped on anything. Baseless assumption. We can assume that what was composed in Mandala X in the Rig Veda by the rishis was an accurate description of a decotion called Soma. I therefore infer from the scriptures that Amrita is the Food of the Gods, an elixir that enabled immortality. Maybe you've got a better theory than McKenna - if so please post it here. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
anon_astute_ff wrote: Who in the Holy Tradition would ever accept money for such? Most all Holy Traditions in India accept money for operational expenses. How do you think they build temples? I've seen donor's names carved into the rock base of some temples. It's a common practice in India to give money to your guru for instruction. They would go to hell. Maybe so, but you or I don't get to make up the rules. What Guru would ever put such a sacred bond to paper? Maybe not to paper, but it's all recited on a daily basis in the puja to Guru Dev anyway. The TM puja contains an admonition to bow down before your guru and pay homage. Bring fruit and flowers - these all cost money. Most Indian spiritual traditions have an oath - some are even secret oaths, such as those in the tantric tradition. It's SOP for devotees. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] What is evil incarnate?
It is the Disney film The Parent Trap. Identical twins are separated as toddlers, brought up separately by each parent a continent away from each other, ignorant of the other's existence. And this is a comedy? At least in The Producers the play-within-a-play called Springtime for Hitler is so absurd on its face that it can't be anything but funny. But here, cuteness and slapstick are supposed to bookmark a premise that is so mean and vulgar that it actually hurts me to watch it. Can you imagine being an identical twin and your own parents denying you not only the companionship but the actual knowledge of your other half? What could be more sacred than such a bond? I don't think that Abu Ghraib, the Musical could be more evil. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ASSC 10
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: Of course, TM never gets much play there, eventhough half the meditation researchers use MMY's theory of enlightenment progression as a starting point for their own theories. You think his theory is original? Didn't he say, nothin new under the sun? Sure, but he coined the terms. Obviously his use of Cosmic Consciousness is not mainstream since James Joyce wrote a famous book by that name to refer to a lot more than simple witnessing 24/7and yet that is how the term CC is used by a lot of people these days. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
Richard J. Williams wrote: markmeredith wrote: Most every Indian spiritual group I've investigated uses some of the bija mantras - not necessarily in an eye-closed effortless meditation practice, but they seem to be very commonly known. So, it's a common practice all over India - Mr. Perino was mistaken. As discussed here recently, early TMers report they weren't given bij mantras, but Ram. Maybe so, but I'm TM meditator #212 in the USA, according to Beaulah Smith, and I never got a 'Ram' bija mantra. From what I've read, the very first TM meditator in India, a certain Mr. Raya, recieved the same bija I recieved in 1965, that would be ten years after the founding of the SRM by Marshy. It is alleged that Maharishi when he was first teaching used the Ram mantra. Bhagavan Das in his book It's Here Now (Are You?) claims he was given the Ram mantra by Maharishi when he met shortly after arriving in India. Bhagavan Das was the young American in India that Ram Das wrote about in Be Here Now. Ram is considered a shanti mantra. So by the time you learned the techniques may well have changed as MMY probably felt he needed a system for his teachers. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
anon_astute_ff wrote: If it is not available to non-initiates how would mahesh know this information? By getting himself initiated into the tantric tradition and then studying with his master for thirteen years? Does his name contain Saraswati? Sure, it's Bal, the name given to Mahesh when he was initiated by Guru Dev. Not to mention his given name, Mahesh, which means Shiva Yogi. But Mahesh doesn't need any names at all really - a Maharishi dwarfs any epithets given to most others. But I suspect that the reason Mahesh isn't a Saraswati is that a person has to join the recluse order founded by Shankaracharya before the surname Saraswati is used. Mahesh didn't want to join the Order - Swamis suffer, Yogis enjoy. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Willy: On Apr 5, 2006, at 9:36 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Vaj wrote: Surely you must be jesting, Vaj. Wilber co- authored 'Spiritual Choices' with Dick Anthony and you're saying that he probably never heard the 'dirty lowdown' on Marshy? We don't know if he did or did not. If you had read the book, you would know. Wilber mentions the 'dirty lowdown' on the Marshy in 'Spiritual Choices'. When are you going to read it? I have no plans to read it, esp. as I don't particularly like reading KW. He's much more enjoyable on video or recent audio. Given that most of the lowdown on the TMO is shrouded in secrecy and often only accessible to an inner core of followers, I'd be surprised if he did. I'd say that if Wilber, the author of dozens of books, including one with Dick Anthony and one with Peter Russell, once practiced TM and that if his parents currently practice TM, that probably Wilber knows more than you do about the TMO and the Marshy. I'll go based on what I have read in recent writings, lectures and talks. He may, he may not. As I'm talking to a number of his people, it may come up. We'll see. This list is certainly an example where secret material, some negative, filters out even to the surprise of old and close students of M. Are you suggesting that Wilber hasn't read the archives of Usenet or Yahoo! before he writes his books? I have no idea whether he has or not. I would doubt he would use such unreliable sources. Unlike people like Adi Da or Rajneesh there really hasn't been an big expose on M. and the movement. Go figure. I figure that Wilber knows more than you do about this subject. Adi Da is a friend of his, so he probably knows much more than I do. Maybe Wilbur takes the attitude that alot of still-practitioners-of- TM, like myself, on this forum take: the practise is the practise and whether MMY is a mass-murderer doesn't change whether the practise works or not. They are very good at controlling information and of course, selling it. Sounds like you've got a strong bias against the Marshy, so your anecdotes, stories, and comments would hardly be worth considering. I just prefer to see things as they are. On the other hand, Wilber seems to be a acknowledged authority. I'm sure that if Wilber thought something was 'low'down' about the Marshy he'd probably be reporting it. Doubtful since he's not a close student of M., As Mark pointed out, most of the inside scoop is just that: inside. I'm sure he'll continue to comment on what he finds valuable and what he is suspicious of in regards to research since it interfaces with what he does for living. Wilber certainly doesn't hesitate to describe some of the 'low down' things about the Adi Da and the Osho. Yes. It's important to admire the diamonds in this life...but it's also important to see the shit they're embedded in... So, you're saying that Wilber's parents practice TM, but Wilber doesn't see the 'shit they're embedded in'? Go figure. You are supposed to read the book BEFORE you make your comments. If I wanted to know what he thought, I'd read something more recent, the book you're referencing is 20 years old. So you haven't read all of Wilber's books, not even the most important ones. Go figure. Nor do I intend to read them all. There are only a few that would even interest me. I'm more content listening to his on-going lectures, etc. which reflect more current events and POV's. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
Vaj wrote: Don't kill the messenger! Actually it was Sri Swami Rama, a student of Guru Dev's, who said it. There's no evidence that Swami Rama ever said that Mahesh was a leading suspect in a murder at Jyotirmath. In fact, the rumor was started by Swami Prakashanand Saraswati, an erstwhile desciple of Brahmanada's. So take it up with his ashes! It's not mentioned in Swami Rama's book, 'Living With the Himalayan Masters'. I could be wrong, but I'll re-read it and find out. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/5/06 11:56 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know for sure what happened, but it could have been part of the power struggle, that slowly pushed everyone out, who wasn't aligned with the new administration, Bevan, and people who had come from Europe, to take over the administration. The 'old timers' on the board of directors were also pushed out, several years before then.. As a ship sinks, I wonder if those who are told to leave are happy or unhappy about it... Probably different people react differently. I think some are unhappy at first but increasingly happy as the get more and more distance from it. Very happy! Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shankara's native language?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The first and original Shankara is Lord Shiva - the Adi Shankara. Shankara in his lifetime was referred to as Acharya Shree. anon_astute_ff wrote: Pardon... but how do you know this for sure? One of my teachers, Swami Prakashanand Saraswati, a direct desciple of Guru Dev, told me so. He's a pundit and a bhakta - very learned. Are you suggesting it is incorrect to refer to Shankara as Adi Shankara? No, not if you're a scholar or an author, but if you're a devotee, you'd refer to the master as Acharya Shree or Guru Dev, and reserve the Adi for Lord Shiva, the original Shankara. Most likely, devotees during Shankaracharya's lifetime would have addressed him as 'Shree' using their native language, probably a dialect of Malayam. My Preceptor, Sri Ganapathi Sachchidananda Swamiji has often referred to that great philosopher as Adi Shankara. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Churning the Milk Ocean
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: anon_astute_ff wrote: Interesting how people want to assume that Soma is current hallucinogens. Hallucinogen ingestion has existed since the beginning of plant cultivation. Apparently one of the first plants domesticated by man was the barley plant, from which the ancients made beer. Closely followed by hemp and then shrooms. There's no evidence that alcaloid use is a recent practice in India. Millions of yogis, fakirs, and saints chew betel nut and dip snuff on a daily basis in India and have done so for thousands of years. McKenna probably believed is own mind while tripping. Maybe so, but there's no evidence that McKenna ever tripped on anything. Baseless assumption. We can assume that what was composed in Mandala X in the Rig Veda by the rishis was an accurate description of a decotion called Soma. I therefore infer from the scriptures that Amrita is the Food of the Gods, an elixir that enabled immortality. Maybe you've got a better theory than McKenna - if so please post it here. No better theory...No disagreement about what you have purported here. Just disagreeing with McKenna saying psylocibin mushrooms are soma. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM
On Apr 5, 2006, at 1:06 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: Maybe Wilbur takes the attitude that alot of still-practitioners-of- TM, like myself, on this forum take: the practise is the practise and whether MMY is a mass-murderer doesn't change whether the practise works or not. Rely on the teaching, not the teacher. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM
On Apr 5, 2006, at 1:00 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: Isn't it all pretty much on this forum and its archives, available to all and any with a computer and an internet link? Yes, but it is in a scattered and somewhat disconnected fashion. What we should have for posterity is an authentic inside view and expose-- like those on the Hare Krishna movement, Rajneesh, etc. My guess is if he had lived in the US we would've seen one a long time ago. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: anon_astute_ff wrote: Who in the Holy Tradition would ever accept money for such? Most all Holy Traditions in India accept money for operational expenses. How do you think they build temples? I've seen donor's names carved into the rock base of some temples. It's a common practice in India to give money to your guru for instruction. They would go to hell. Maybe so, but you or I don't get to make up the rules. What Guru would ever put such a sacred bond to paper? Maybe not to paper, but it's all recited on a daily basis in the puja to Guru Dev anyway. The TM puja contains an admonition to bow down before your guru and pay homage. Bring fruit and flowers - these all cost money. Most Indian spiritual traditions have an oath - some are even secret oaths, such as those in the tantric tradition. It's SOP for devotees. If you have read the Bhagavata then you should know what it says about one who sells this secret knowledge. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: anon_astute_ff wrote: If it is not available to non-initiates how would mahesh know this information? By getting himself initiated into the tantric tradition and then studying with his master for thirteen years? Does his name contain Saraswati? Sure, it's Bal, the name given to Mahesh when he was initiated by Guru Dev. Not to mention his given name, Mahesh, which means Shiva Yogi. But Mahesh doesn't need any names at all really - a Maharishi dwarfs any epithets given to most others. But I suspect that the reason Mahesh isn't a Saraswati is that a person has to join the recluse order founded by Shankaracharya before the surname Saraswati is used. Mahesh didn't want to join the Order - Swamis suffer, Yogis enjoy. Would a real Maharishi goes into business? Would one say give me a million to sit in another room and watch me on TV? There is no Maharishi in TMO. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sparaig wrote: And what have they been? The only specific reference to the Marshy, low-down or otherwise, or to TM research by Ken Wilber that I can find in any of Wilber's books or tapes is contained in his introduction to 'Spiritual Choices' - it's in most public libraries. However, I would have expected a lot more discussion by Wilber concerning the research on TM and the mechanics of conciousness. Maybe he just doesn't have the expertise to make any comments on it. Earlier this am you're promoting Wilber as the expert on TM lowdown and wanting to wager me about it, now you're saying the exact opposite. You say this am I'm untrustworthy because yrs ago I worked in the mov't, then you brag about being an insider. You say you're an TM insider but think the job of personal secretaries to MMY was just to carry his skin (because of the term skin boy, I guess). You talk like an expert on Wilber but wonder if he has the expertise to comment on the mechanics of consciousness ... I'll leave it to Judy to come up with the rest of the internal conflicts in your postings, though since you're an enemy of her enemy, she probably won't bother. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Churning the Milk Ocean
Jaya Guru Datta Here is an excerpt on the Churning and Kurma incarnation of Lord Vishnu: http://www.dattapeetham.com/india/bhaktimala/Jan97/Incarnations.html Next is Kurma Avatara. The incarnation as a tortoise. God came and got Amrita for the Devatas. The demons were deprived of it. God did it in a very wise manner. Feelings are important. Scold somebody in a foul temper. He will be hurt. But smilingly correcting someone will be taken in a light manner. If wisdom and gentleness are there, it is not enough. The Rakshashas [demons] had strength. So to take Amrita out of the ocean, He needed the help of the demons [for strength]. Then the Devatas went and surrendered to the demons. The demons became happy. The Angels served the demons. Right from Indra, all the angels served. It is said that to get work done, one has to pray evento a donkey if necessary. After some time passed, the angels submitted a plan to the demons. If we together, churn the milky ocean, Amrita will come out and by consuming it, we all can become immortal. They accepted. Mandara mountain was brought and placed in the ocean. Since there was no support for the mountain to float, it sank. Then the Devatas prayed to Vishnu to help them. He took a special incarnation as Kurma, i.e. the tortoise. When the Lord supported in the form of a tortoise, the mountain floated. Vasuki, the celestial snake became the churning rope. The mountain became the churning stick. Have you ever churned anything? At least seen anybody churning? No, I presume. The tortoise is a special animal. It is mild, soft, shy and slow. Vasuki became tired and started to throw out poison. It enveloped the whole world and became a potential danger. Then Lord Shiva drank the poison and protected the world. When you do seva, confusion comes. There will be so many obstacles. We almost become fed up. Only when we crave for something do we understand its importancet. Go to Tirupati. Stand in the queue and have Darshan. You will be craving for the Lord by the time you come to the Sanctum Sanctorium for Darshan. Going there as VIP for special Darshan has no value. Devotion comes only in the hard way. During the development of devotion, confusions do come. Do not worry. It is a good sign. Bad must intervene to make the good more valuable. The churning continued with a great sound. A small churning in a house makes so much sound. Imagine this celestial churning. So much activity...so much sound. All activities have methods. If you sit before milk and beg the butter to come out, will it come out? No. Churning is necessary. The churning continued. Several objects came out. The celestial elephant, Goddess Lakshmi, etc. etc.,came out. Lakshmi went straight in to the heart of Lord Vishnu. The churning continued. Then Dhanvantari, the celestial doctor, appeared from the ocean, holding the pot of Amrita. Dhanvantari appeared. He had four hands. Two visible, and two invisible. The invisible hands have secret mudras. Meditating on them brings good health. He had a Mala -the Vana Maala. Of the two visible hands, one had the pot of Amrita and the other hand showed Abhaya [Protection]. He is the god of herbs. Seeing Dhanvantari, both Devathas and Rakshasaas rushed to him. The demons, by virtue of sheer strength overpowered the angels and grabbed the pot away. The dejected angels prayed to Vishnu O' Swami, come now. We are in distress. You gave us the idea of churning to produce Amrita. You came as a tortoise and ensured that the churning took place. Please come now. Dhanvantari gave the Amrita and disappeared. Vishnu came in the form of a damsel [Mohini]. That damsel was so immensely beautiful. The demons, seeing her, left the Amrita and went to her. She charmed them. The demons became her servants and submitted themselves to her. Attraction or desire is dangerous. One who is lustful has no fear or shyness. It was Vishnu who was Mohini. So you can imagine her beauty. Mohini got the pot of Amrita and promised to share it among the angels and demons. The demons readily agreed. Amrita was given only to the Devatas and the demons did not get it. Our Antaraatma is the ocean. Viveka is the Mandara mountain. The Praana Vaayu, i.e. our uchchvaasa and Nishshvaasa are the hissing of Vaasuki (the snake). The Dushta Bhavana (evil thought) is Rakshasha and Sadbhaavana (good thought) is the Devata. Vichara charcha, i.e., the process of thinking, is the churning. The answer or reply to our thinking is the Amrita. Constantly thinking about a problem generally gives answers by itself. The Lord will give an answer. The Lord never deprives you of what you deserve. You many times think He [Lord] has deserted me . You speak as if he owes you something. He will give you out of compassion. Just because he has compassion, it does not mean that you will get it free. You have to earn it with hard work, good
[FairfieldLife] Yugadi celebrations in Hyderabad and Raga Sagara Concert
Jaya Guru Datta These links are to the latest happenings of Sri Ganapati Sachchidananda Swamiji in Hyderabad, India. http://www.dattapeetham.com/india/tours/2006/hyderabad/hyderabad2006.html http://www.dattapeetham.com/india/tours/2006/hyderabad/ragasagara/ ragasagara2006.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: anon_astute_ff wrote: Who in the Holy Tradition would ever accept money for such? Most all Holy Traditions in India accept money for operational expenses. How do you think they build temples? I've seen donor's names carved into the rock base of some temples. It's a common practice in India to give money to your guru for instruction. They would go to hell. Maybe so, but you or I don't get to make up the rules. What Guru would ever put such a sacred bond to paper? Maybe not to paper, but it's all recited on a daily basis in the puja to Guru Dev anyway. The TM puja contains an admonition to bow down before your guru and pay homage. Bring fruit and flowers - these all cost money. Most Indian spiritual traditions have an oath - some are even secret oaths, such as those in the tantric tradition. It's SOP for devotees. If you have read the Bhagavata then you should know what it says about one who sells this secret knowledge. Yes, it says they go to hell. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
on 4/5/06 12:30 PM, Richard J. Williams at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: anon_astute_ff wrote: If it is not available to non-initiates how would mahesh know this information? By getting himself initiated into the tantric tradition and then studying with his master for thirteen years? Does his name contain Saraswati? Sure, it's Bal, the name given to Mahesh when he was initiated by Guru Dev. Doesn't Bal mean boy - Bal Brahmachari means life celibate, or so I understood. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/5/06 12:30 PM, Richard J. Williams at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: anon_astute_ff wrote: If it is not available to non-initiates how would mahesh know this information? By getting himself initiated into the tantric tradition and then studying with his master for thirteen years? Does his name contain Saraswati? Sure, it's Bal, the name given to Mahesh when he was initiated by Guru Dev. Doesn't Bal mean boy - Bal Brahmachari means life celibate, or so I understood. now this opens up that can of worms. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: anon_astute_ff wrote: If it is not available to non-initiates how would mahesh know this information? By getting himself initiated into the tantric tradition and then studying with his master for thirteen years? Does his name contain Saraswati? Sure, it's Bal, the name given to Mahesh when he was initiated by Guru Dev. Not to mention his given name, Mahesh, which means Shiva Yogi. But Mahesh doesn't need any names at all really - a Maharishi dwarfs any epithets given to most others. But I suspect that the reason Mahesh isn't a Saraswati is that a person has to join the recluse order founded by Shankaracharya before the surname Saraswati is used. Mahesh didn't want to join the Order - Swamis suffer, Yogis enjoy. Would a real Maharishi goes into business? Would one say give me a million to sit in another room and watch me on TV? There is no Maharishi in TMO. Doesn't caste determine eligibility? How would an orthodox Shankaracharya like Brahmananda Saraswati waver from that? Ksatriya's go into business. Sure he may have gained realization from his devotion, but to assume he was privy to Sri Vidya knowledge doesn't add up. He wasn't brahmin and it has been suggested that mahesh's caste may not have even been that. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
on 4/5/06 1:32 PM, anon_astute_ff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/5/06 12:30 PM, Richard J. Williams at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: anon_astute_ff wrote: If it is not available to non-initiates how would mahesh know this information? By getting himself initiated into the tantric tradition and then studying with his master for thirteen years? Does his name contain Saraswati? Sure, it's Bal, the name given to Mahesh when he was initiated by Guru Dev. Doesn't Bal mean boy - Bal Brahmachari means life celibate, or so I understood. now this opens up that can of worms. Probably he was when he was using that name. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 5, 2006, at 12:36 PM, authfriend wrote: Just a rumor? Why, our Vaj just told us Maharishi was a leading suspect! Don't kill the messenger! Actually it was Sri Swami Rama, a student of Guru Dev's, who said it. So take it up with his ashes! This Swami Rama must've been a very very poor student of his... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama Speaks on Dealing with Terrorism[Shemp]
I only wrote, what had happened. There is a subtle difference between the two words. jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 19:42:30 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama Speaks on Dealing with Terrorism[Shemp] "Suzerainty" is defined as 'overlordship', very similar in meaning as sovereignty in this context. So this great journalistic coup of Mr. Spock's (aka The Dude) is more red herring than anything else... Have you heard of the great Indian Goof-Up, prior to the Chinese invasion of Tibet.?There was a lot of Speculation that China might invade Tibet. So the Indian Strategists want didn't want to offend China, sent a Cleverly worded message to the indian Ambasador stating that he should convey the mesage to China, "India recognises China's Suzerainity over Tibet." The Indian Ambasador in Beijing misunderstood the message.He made a public announcement that, "India recognises China's Sovereignty over Tibet.!"The next day China marched into Tibet. I don't get it...what's "suzerainity"? How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! MessengerÂ’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama Speaks on Dealing with Terrorism[Shemp]
Suzerain 1. A nation that controls another nation in international affairs but allows it domestic sovereignty. 2. A feudal lord to whom fealty was due. Draw your own conclusions.. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I only wrote, what had happened. There is a subtle difference between the two words. jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 19:42:30 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama Speaks on Dealing with Terrorism[Shemp] Suzerainty is defined as 'overlordship', very similar in meaning as sovereignty in this context. So this great journalistic coup of Mr. Spock's (aka The Dude) is more red herring than anything else... Have you heard of the great Indian Goof-Up, prior to the Chinese invasion of Tibet.? There was a lot of Speculation that China might invade Tibet. So the Indian Strategists want didn't want to offend China, sent a Cleverly worded message to the indian Ambasador stating that he should convey the mesage to China, India recognises China's Suzerainity over Tibet. The Indian Ambasador in Beijing misunderstood the message. He made a public announcement that, India recognises China's Sovereignty over Tibet.! The next day China marched into Tibet. I don't get it...what's suzerainity? - How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
Richard J. Williams wrote: So, you're saying that many other temples in India, not just Brahmanand's headquarters matha at Sringeri, practice a meditation similar to TM and that the use of some TM bija mantras is widespread. Vaj wrote: We've discussed your misconceptions on these subjects many times Willie. There's no 'Willie', but if it makes you feel superior, call me by my email address. If you haven't gotten it by now, I suspect you don't want to. The only thing I've been able to get out of you is that you think you've got the dirty low-down on the Marshy and the Swami Rama. But you've admitted that techniques similar to TM and the use of the same bijas are in widespread use all over India. That leads me to conclude that TM is probably the most popular meditation practice in all of India. When you put that together with the popularity of the Deepackage and the Sri Sri, Marshy is like a household word over there. There must be millions of people in India doing program based on the teachings of Marshy. When was the last time you were in India, Willy? Your statement also shows your ignorance of mantra shastra and Hindu traditions. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 5, 2006, at 11:29 AM, sparaig wrote: It was a shock at the time. You're easily shocked since succession issues have been all the rage in religious and spiritual traditions since the dawn of history. It was the first time I had heard of a Shankaracharya student poisoning his teacher. Not true. Elle Driver (played by Darryl Hannah) did it to her master, Pai Mei, whem she fed him poisoned fish in Kill Bill, Vol. II. You also need to understand that no one I had spoken to had heard of this poisoning scenario at the time--this was c. 1980. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Churning the Milk Ocean
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: anon_astute_ff wrote: Interesting how people want to assume that Soma is current hallucinogens. Hallucinogen ingestion has existed since the beginning of plant cultivation. Apparently one of the first plants domesticated by man was the barley plant, from which the ancients made beer. Closely followed by hemp and then shrooms. There's no evidence that alcaloid use is a recent practice in India. Millions of yogis, fakirs, and saints chew betel nut I had Sweet Pan once on the streets of Delhi. But I'm no saint. and dip snuff on a daily basis in India and have done so for thousands of years. McKenna probably believed is own mind while tripping. Maybe so, but there's no evidence that McKenna ever tripped on anything. Baseless assumption. We can assume that what was composed in Mandala X in the Rig Veda by the rishis was an accurate description of a decotion called Soma. I therefore infer from the scriptures that Amrita is the Food of the Gods, an elixir that enabled immortality. Maybe you've got a better theory than McKenna - if so please post it here. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: anon_astute_ff wrote: Who in the Holy Tradition would ever accept money for such? Most all Holy Traditions in India accept money for operational expenses. How do you think they build temples? I've seen donor's names carved into the rock base of some temples. It's a common practice in India to give money to your guru for instruction. They would go to hell. Maybe so, but you or I don't get to make up the rules. What Guru would ever put such a sacred bond to paper? Maybe not to paper, but it's all recited on a daily basis in the puja to Guru Dev anyway. The TM puja contains an admonition to bow down before your guru and pay homage. Bring fruit and flowers - these all cost money. Most Indian spiritual traditions have an oath - some are even secret oaths, such as those in the tantric tradition. It's SOP for devotees. Who are you calling a sap, mister? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
