date:20060626

[FairfieldLife] Re: Progressive and Flat Taxes

2006-06-26 Thread shempmcgurk

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ 
wrote:
  snip
 Interesting thing to say about Gates. His stated goal in 
life
 for several decades was to become the richest man in the 
  world...

He has said publicly that before he dies, he wants to
give away 96 percent of his fortune.

It's not impossible that's *why* he wanted to become the
richest man in the world: so he could give most of it
away.
   
   
   Yeah, but his behavior in the business world was NOT that of 
  someone who had an ounce 
   of altruism. He made very few charity-oriented remarks until 
afer 
  he got married. And his 
   most famous comment about charities before he got married was 
that 
  he was going to 
   wait until he was 65 and retired before he started worrying 
about 
  that kind of thing.
  
  Makes sense, if you think about it.  By that time, any
  money he had invested instead of giving it to charity
  would have doubled or tripled.  Now he's retiring,
  apparently, and it seems that what he's going to be
  doing for the rest of his life is figuring out where
  best to give his money away.
 
 
 Perhaps you're correct, but I can't help recalling the time that 
Microsoft sent out a press 
 release proudly touting the millions of dollars of computer 
equipment they had donated to 
 public schools, all of which required the WIndows OS to operate...



What I find impressive is the fact that Microsoft never paid a cent 
to any political party or lobbyist until Janet Reno handed down that 
indictment against them for being a monopoly...then, of course, 
Microsoft DID start playing the political game, just like everyone 
else...







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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'

2006-06-26 Thread shempmcgurk

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
 
   
  In a message dated 6/25/06 2:42:54 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
  jstein@ writes:
  
  . Even  the Washington
  Post remarked on Bush's  misstatement:
  
  That's my point. Misstatements. Obviously Bush was  meaning 
Saddam 
  didn't allow the UN inspectors  in unfettered,
 
 No, it's not obvious at all, especially not after he
 made the same claim three separate times.
 
  because  it was clear 
  they were there and had been there. It was on the front page  of 
the 
  news almost everyday.
 
 So was the fact that there was no connection between
 Saddam and 9/11, yet the administration has continued
 to try to make that connection in the public's mind,
 with a great deal of success.
 
 Bush even made the connection *this year* in his State
 of the Union.
 
 What you don't seem able to recognize is that this
 administration has no qualms whatsoever about misleading
 and deceiving the public.



...unlike the mass-murdering dictators you go out of your way to 
support and defend (as long as you can bash America at the same 
time).






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[FairfieldLife] Re:the Teacher recertification course

2006-06-26 Thread shempmcgurk

I'd love to see the video you refer to below.

In lieu of that, any possibility that you could post a transcript of 
your talk or any notes you had for it?


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gimari03 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Tks Doug!
 
 Your offer of assistance is appreciated.
 I agreed to try to locate the document about the Initiator 
recertification course for 
 someone.
 
 Otherwise, am not researching TMO nor FF for anything.  I grew up 
in the movement, 
 initiated as a child in the Olsen's house in '60s.  As a teen, I 
moved to FF in 1974(?) w/ the 
 chartered flight from MIU Santa Barbara, left FF in 1988.  I 
remain in contact w/ some 
 FFers.
 I always enjoy visting.  Maybe can arrange to visit annually for a 
week.
 
 At another request, I presented about my TM upbringing at the 
recent conference the 
 International Cultic Studies Association  ICSA.  The 
presentation was videoed.  I've not 
 seen the video/DVD yet.  It was NOT a formal presentation.  I did 
NOT discuss the 
 movement nor TM per se... only MY experience of my upbringing 
within the TMO.
 
 It's interesting to read FF developments here.
 My own spirituality has taken the path of a cross between secular 
humanism and agnostic.
 As I recently told someone else I don't do God. I don't do 
organized religion.
 Just be a good person.. more or less Buddhist I suppose.
 
  I'll return to lurking and will be busy reading the threads that 
you linked me to.
 
 Again, many thanks!
 Gina
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 
dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
 
  Hey Gina, what else are you researching about FF?  I get a 
steady 
  flow of academics, authors, researchers and journalists who 
contact 
  me off of FFL.  What else are you thinking about FF?  Some of 
the 
  writers on this list could be quite helpful if they were turned 
  loose.  We don't pay much attention but the archive here is full 
of 
  some great primary material on the TMO.
  
  People find these real interesting to work off of:
  
  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/83702?l=1
  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/83701?l=1
  
  Best Regards from FF,
  
  -Doug







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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Massive Shortcomings of New.Morning

2006-06-26 Thread shempmcgurk

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate
  no_reply@ wrote:
  
   Of course all others are cordially welcomed to chime in. Unc, 
Tom,
   Jim, Peter all have good, perhaps at times entertaining, 
insights 
   on this topic.
  
  The topic is all about self importance, and thus 
  boring. Judy nailed it. Often you seem to post 
  for no other reason than to hear yourself talk.
 
 I am glad it seems that way to you. Provides you with some 
amusement I
 suspect. Good.
 
  
  You seem 
 
 seem [to you] being the operative concept.
 
  to be used to all this chatter going on 
  in your mind all the time, to the point that you
  don't perceive it as everyday, boring mindchatter
  when you choose to externalize it. Trust us...it's 
  mindchatter. 
 
 Another great concept I hope amuses you.
  
  There's a nice guy in there, if he just spent less
  time trying to capture other people's attention...
 
 My motives for posting have not yet been hit upon. But keep trying 
to
 Pin the Tail on the Donkey. Particularly as you find it amuses you.


Tommy DeVito: You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe 
it's me, I'm a little fucked up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean 
funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to 
fuckin' amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I 
funny? 
Henry Hill: Just... you know, how you tell the story, what? 
Tommy DeVito: No, no, I don't know, you said it. How do I know? You 
said I'm funny. How the fuck am I funny, what the fuck is so funny 
about me? Tell me, tell me what's funny! 







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Progressive and Flat Taxes

2006-06-26 Thread shempmcgurk

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote:
 
  new_morning_blank_slate wrote:
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ 
wrote:

  
  History shows that not to be true at all.  Most are just greedy
  
  
  bastards 

  
  who care little about their fellow humanity.  People like Bill 
Gates
  
  
  are 

  
  a rare exception 
  
  
  
  Well 280 billion annually in american philanthropy sort of 
deflates
  your thesis. (Or are you concerned about the miserliness of 
Europeans
  -- who have lower levels of philanthropy?)  
  
  Sure I would love to see american philanthropy at a trillion or 
10
  trillion a year. European and Asian philanthropy matching such. 
It can
   happen. It requires a change of ethos. A softening of world
  consciousness if you will. Its progressively happening. 
  
  What will stop such in its tracks is confisgatory tax rates of 
95-100%

  
  You still don't get that a progressive tax means people won't 
try to 
  earn another dime if they are going to pay more in taxes.  
  
  
  
  I get it. And I think you You are dead wrong. Many such people 
will
  spend every waking hour on how to shelter income. Very 
unproductive
  for society to have many of its better minds engaged in such. 

  
  Thanks for proving my point.  Anyone who would spend their time 
doing 
  that is mentally imbalanced.   They are more in need of a 
psychiatrist 
  than a financial adviser.   You must have missed my point about 
Gates 
  being like Hurley on Lost.  Hurley in the series is the 
unlikely young 
  kid who happened to win the lottery and worth millions.   Since 
he knew 
  he was no expert on money he has financial manager taking care 
of his 
  investments.  In a flashback episode they show him meeting with 
the 
  manager and learning of companies he didn't know he owned.
  
  If anything they need a serious course in meditation as they are 
too 
  attached to their wealth.
  
 
 A point that MMY has used in his explanation for why he's jacked 
the price of TM to the 
 Moon: the wealthy run the world and need TM more than anyone, but 
won't use it if it is 
 too common. A rich man does not go to a poor store.



Boy, you'd find some way to justify the holocaust if it was 
discovered that the TMO or MMY were responsible for it...







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Progressive and Flat Taxes

2006-06-26 Thread sparaig

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
 wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ 
 wrote:
   snip
  Interesting thing to say about Gates. His stated goal in 
 life
  for several decades was to become the richest man in the 
   world...
 
 He has said publicly that before he dies, he wants to
 give away 96 percent of his fortune.
 
 It's not impossible that's *why* he wanted to become the
 richest man in the world: so he could give most of it
 away.


Yeah, but his behavior in the business world was NOT that of 
   someone who had an ounce 
of altruism. He made very few charity-oriented remarks until 
 afer 
   he got married. And his 
most famous comment about charities before he got married was 
 that 
   he was going to 
wait until he was 65 and retired before he started worrying 
 about 
   that kind of thing.
   
   Makes sense, if you think about it.  By that time, any
   money he had invested instead of giving it to charity
   would have doubled or tripled.  Now he's retiring,
   apparently, and it seems that what he's going to be
   doing for the rest of his life is figuring out where
   best to give his money away.
  
  
  Perhaps you're correct, but I can't help recalling the time that 
 Microsoft sent out a press 
  release proudly touting the millions of dollars of computer 
 equipment they had donated to 
  public schools, all of which required the WIndows OS to operate...
 
 
 
 What I find impressive is the fact that Microsoft never paid a cent 
 to any political party or lobbyist until Janet Reno handed down that 
 indictment against them for being a monopoly...then, of course, 
 Microsoft DID start playing the political game, just like everyone 
 else...


Don't forget the ultimate in technological scorched earth/poison pill 
strategies, AKA 
WIndows XP, which was designed to require thousands of programmers, in a 
highly 
coordinated way, to maintain and/or modify. 

Nobody is going to be able to split US up, nosiree...






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[FairfieldLife] Re:the Teacher recertification course

2006-06-26 Thread gimari03

Hi:
Tks for asking about the talk.
I spoke off the cuff, so there is not a typed presentation to provide you.

There is no transcript.  I don't know if ICSA will post a transcript.  If my 
talk is transcribed, 
I'd be happy to post it.  I'm not on an anti-TM vendeta.   For legal reasons, 
they told me I 
didn't have to have it taped.  I said that yes, I do want to be taped, for 
the benefit of my 
own now-grown children (born in FF), and also for other TM-kids coming along 
who might 
want it.

I'm concerned for children who've grown up normalizing TM casualties around 
them, and 
their anxiety of entering the Ignorance of the world.  

Yes, am aware that life in FF has changed over the years.  However, I didn't go 
into that, as 
I don't live in FF now and we had limited time.  I only discussed my 
experience, nothing 
more and nothing less.

 In the hallway, prior to speaking, I was warned about litigiousness and to 'be 
careful'.
This was NOT planned with Patrick Ryan.  I'd never had contact with Pat, nor 
with TM-Ex.
I met Pat the same day of the presentation.  He was in the room with me.  We 
did not plan 
nor coordinate what we discussed.  Pat Ryan did not coach me.

I spoke with love for my TM family who raised me.  I spoke about concern for 
excessive 
indulgence in neurochemicals.  In my experience, I compared to TM to alcohol.. 
a glass of 
red wine daily may have health benefits.  However, two bottles daily can 
interfere with 
conducting a functional life.  I did not address Vedic teachings nor 
philosophy; I'm not 
qualified for that.

There were some other TM kids, in their early thirties, present in the room.  
They told me 
afterwards that they had similar experiences and that hearing my story helped 
them to 
process.

My scattered notes would be useless to anyone else, as I did not discuss the 
TMO.  I spoke 
abour personal memories.  After 20 years of personal silence, it was a surprise 
that others 
wanted to hear abour the first 30 years of my life.  ICSA asked me to come. I 
did not seek 
this oout.
 If it helps other young 'uns coming up (now in their 20's and early 30's), 
then so be it.

Biggest surprise for me, after my talk, I learned that my story is nearly 
identical to that of a 
woman who was the first 'Blessed Child of the moonies.  I suppose any group 
goes 
through growing pains.

Again, if a transcript becomes available, I'd be happy to post it.

Best to all.
Warmly,
Gina

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 I'd love to see the video you refer to below.
 
 In lieu of that, any possibility that you could post a transcript of 
 your talk or any notes you had for it?
 
 







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Progressive and Flat Taxes

2006-06-26 Thread shempmcgurk

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ 
wrote:
   
new_morning_blank_slate wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ 
  wrote:
  

History shows that not to be true at all.  Most are just 
greedy


bastards 
  

who care little about their fellow humanity.  People like 
Bill 
  Gates


are 
  

a rare exception 



Well 280 billion annually in american philanthropy sort of 
  deflates
your thesis. (Or are you concerned about the miserliness of 
  Europeans
-- who have lower levels of philanthropy?)  

Sure I would love to see american philanthropy at a 
trillion or 
  10
trillion a year. European and Asian philanthropy matching 
such. 
  It can
 happen. It requires a change of ethos. A softening of world
consciousness if you will. Its progressively happening. 

What will stop such in its tracks is confisgatory tax rates 
of 
  95-100%
  

You still don't get that a progressive tax means people 
won't 
  try to 
earn another dime if they are going to pay more in taxes.  



I get it. And I think you You are dead wrong. Many such 
people 
  will
spend every waking hour on how to shelter income. Very 
  unproductive
for society to have many of its better minds engaged in 
such. 
  

Thanks for proving my point.  Anyone who would spend their 
time 
  doing 
that is mentally imbalanced.   They are more in need of a 
  psychiatrist 
than a financial adviser.   You must have missed my point 
about 
  Gates 
being like Hurley on Lost.  Hurley in the series is the 
  unlikely young 
kid who happened to win the lottery and worth millions.   
Since 
  he knew 
he was no expert on money he has financial manager taking 
care 
  of his 
investments.  In a flashback episode they show him meeting 
with 
  the 
manager and learning of companies he didn't know he owned.

If anything they need a serious course in meditation as they 
are 
  too 
attached to their wealth.

   
   A point that MMY has used in his explanation for why he's 
jacked 
  the price of TM to the 
   Moon: the wealthy run the world and need TM more than anyone, 
but 
  won't use it if it is 
   too common. A rich man does not go to a poor store.
  
  
  
  Boy, you'd find some way to justify the holocaust if it was 
  discovered that the TMO or MMY were responsible for it...
 
 
 That's a direct quote from MMY. It's how he explains the massive 
price hike. It may or not 
 be a good strategy, but its what he says he's doing.


Do YOU have an opinion on it one way or the other...'cause you don't 
say, so I assume you back your guru 100%...






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Progressive and Flat Taxes

2006-06-26 Thread sparaig

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
 wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ 
 wrote:

 new_morning_blank_slate wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ 
   wrote:
   
 
 History shows that not to be true at all.  Most are just 
 greedy
 
 
 bastards 
   
 
 who care little about their fellow humanity.  People like 
 Bill 
   Gates
 
 
 are 
   
 
 a rare exception 
 
 
 
 Well 280 billion annually in american philanthropy sort of 
   deflates
 your thesis. (Or are you concerned about the miserliness of 
   Europeans
 -- who have lower levels of philanthropy?)  
 
 Sure I would love to see american philanthropy at a 
 trillion or 
   10
 trillion a year. European and Asian philanthropy matching 
 such. 
   It can
  happen. It requires a change of ethos. A softening of world
 consciousness if you will. Its progressively happening. 
 
 What will stop such in its tracks is confisgatory tax rates 
 of 
   95-100%
   
 
 You still don't get that a progressive tax means people 
 won't 
   try to 
 earn another dime if they are going to pay more in taxes.  
 
 
 
 I get it. And I think you You are dead wrong. Many such 
 people 
   will
 spend every waking hour on how to shelter income. Very 
   unproductive
 for society to have many of its better minds engaged in 
 such. 
   
 
 Thanks for proving my point.  Anyone who would spend their 
 time 
   doing 
 that is mentally imbalanced.   They are more in need of a 
   psychiatrist 
 than a financial adviser.   You must have missed my point 
 about 
   Gates 
 being like Hurley on Lost.  Hurley in the series is the 
   unlikely young 
 kid who happened to win the lottery and worth millions.   
 Since 
   he knew 
 he was no expert on money he has financial manager taking 
 care 
   of his 
 investments.  In a flashback episode they show him meeting 
 with 
   the 
 manager and learning of companies he didn't know he owned.
 
 If anything they need a serious course in meditation as they 
 are 
   too 
 attached to their wealth.
 

A point that MMY has used in his explanation for why he's 
 jacked 
   the price of TM to the 
Moon: the wealthy run the world and need TM more than anyone, 
 but 
   won't use it if it is 
too common. A rich man does not go to a poor store.
   
   
   
   Boy, you'd find some way to justify the holocaust if it was 
   discovered that the TMO or MMY were responsible for it...
  
  
  That's a direct quote from MMY. It's how he explains the massive 
 price hike. It may or not 
  be a good strategy, but its what he says he's doing.
 
 
 Do YOU have an opinion on it one way or the other...'cause you don't 
 say, so I assume you back your guru 100%...


It may or not be a good strategy, but its what he says he's doing.








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[FairfieldLife] No tax at all (Was: Progressive and Flat Taxes)

2006-06-26 Thread uns_tressor

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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote:
 
  That's why a progressive income tax is a good thing...

..but not as good as no tax at all, largely courtesy
of your very own splendid President Lincoln. Try this
explanation of how it can be done:
http://www.xat.org/xat/alternative.html
Uns.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Shempgurk's head in the sand

2006-06-26 Thread off_world_beings

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 HEY, CUPCAKE, DIDN'T YOU ALREADY POST THIS MESSAGE AT #102659?
 
 WHY ARE YOU POSTING IT AGAIN?
 
 
 


I don't think so, but just in case, here is the gist of it again:

 Wow, right back at chya...
  Insulting people for making a joke Shempgurk, is not going to 
make your life less miserable than it is, posting endlessly day after 
day, year after year, on pretty much nothing of consequence.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Free Saddam Hussein'

2006-06-26 Thread authfriend

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
  

   In a message dated 6/25/06 2:42:54 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
   jstein@ writes:
   
   . Even  the Washington
   Post remarked on Bush's  misstatement:
   
   That's my point. Misstatements. Obviously Bush was  meaning 
 Saddam 
   didn't allow the UN inspectors  in unfettered,
  
  No, it's not obvious at all, especially not after he
  made the same claim three separate times.
  
   because  it was clear 
   they were there and had been there. It was on the front page  
of 
 the 
   news almost everyday.
  
  So was the fact that there was no connection between
  Saddam and 9/11, yet the administration has continued
  to try to make that connection in the public's mind,
  with a great deal of success.
  
  Bush even made the connection *this year* in his State
  of the Union.
  
  What you don't seem able to recognize is that this
  administration has no qualms whatsoever about misleading
  and deceiving the public.
 
 ...unlike the mass-murdering dictators you go out of your way to 
 support and defend (as long as you can bash America at the same 
 time).

Of course, I'm neither supporting and defending dictators
nor bashing America.

Take your medication, Shemp.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Shempgurk's head in the sand

2006-06-26 Thread off_world_beings

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 6/25/06 9:47:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 Wow,  right back at chya...
 and you are one of the most miserable humorless  people
 I have ever seen. Insulting people for making a joke Shempgurk, 
is  
 not going to make your life less miserable than it is, posting  
 endlessly day after day, year after year, on pretty much nothing 
of  
 consequence.
 
 And you know nothing of fundamentalist  christians.
 Like most Americans you bury your dumbass head in the sand so  that
 you cannot see that the war in Iraq is the pure, and almost  
perfect,
 product of retarded American fundamenatalist christians. And  that,
 with their arrogant, and visionless actions (in the name of  their
 Fuhrer, Jesus) they have justified the murder of thousands  of
 innocent children ( an act for which Jesus said , he would  condemn
 them all ), and innocent Iraqi's.them all ), and innocent 
Iraqi'
 YOUR American arrogance and fundamentalist beliefs that you  defend
 here in your PURE ignorance above.
 
 Your fundamentalist  christian fascists that you defend
 so eloquently and perceptivelyso eloquently 
and perceptivelyWB
 apart family based tribal cultures around  the world, and turning
 brother against brother unless they bow down to your  Jesus and 
your
 American charity dollars.
 
 But then, you, as a  naive...hide your head in the sand...world
 ignorant...arrogant  Americanignorant...arrogant  American...
 now would  you.
 No-one in the world respects you Americans anymore. Americans  HAVE
 SO MUCH to proove now to show themselves worthy of human  civilised
 life, after their demon acts under their fundamentalist Bush and  
the
 others there. It seems impossible now for Americans to ever  be
 respected again. it will take centuries. If you want to defend  
your
 demon fundamentalists then state it clearly now and live  your
 ignorant fate.
 
 OffWorld
 
 
 
 
 Gee Off World, you said everything butWe Fart in your  
general direction




How's that Quagmire going MDIXON?
Found any WMD's?
Did you manage to kill all the children that might be insurgents one 
day? Sure killed a lot didn't you.
How is the fundamentalist Bush doing? You do know that he and Rice 
actually believe that you are an inferior person if you do not 
believe in jesus and renounce all other religions and maditation 
techniques. That is their belief. That is the arrogance by which 
they entered the quagmire in Iraq.
Have you signed up yet to ease the pressure on the troops serving 
over there?
Seen any flowers thrown at troops lately?

OffWorld






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[FairfieldLife] HH Dalai Lama, live

2006-06-26 Thread Vaj



Now.http://www.dalailama.com/page.128.htmA Guide to the Bodhisattva's Way of Life.
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[FairfieldLife] Re:the Teacher recertification course

2006-06-26 Thread curtisdeltablues

 Scarey stuff - stranger than the stuff they oppose. Lots of old TM-ex
 articles under new banners. All under the cover of psychology. Didn't
 they start out by kidnapping people and 'deprogramming' them? 
 
 JohnY

Pat has never been involved with kidnapping although the previous
generations of deprogrammers did do some illegal stuff like that. 
By the time Pat got involved with the work, using Lifton and Singer's
principles of thought reform, exit counseling was an educational
process.  They have years of experience presenting material that can
be helpful in restoring a person's perspective about the group they
are involved in. Much of the perspective is not far off from what I
hear people talking about here concerning the control agenda of
movements verses the freedom of thought promoted by the mission
statement of this group.  The goal of through reform education is to
present material concerning the way beliefs are gained, not the
content of those beliefs.

I found the material fascinating concerning our cognitive
vulnerabilities. It is not a replacement of content, it is a
re-evaluation of how someone came to believe, the process, to restore
perspective and choice. 

It seems obvious to me that many people here have done this on their
own given the freedom of thought represented here.  If you have a
discussion with hard-line TMers you don't get the same openness.  That
closed mindedness is a result of a process, studied and described in
detail by Singer and Lifton.






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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gimari03 no_reply@ wrote:
  
   Tks Doug!
   
   Your offer of assistance is appreciated.
   I agreed to try to locate the document about the Initiator
 recertification course for 
   someone.
   
   Otherwise, am not researching TMO nor FF for anything.  I grew up
 in the movement, 
   initiated as a child in the Olsen's house in '60s.  As a teen, I
 moved to FF in 1974(?) w/ 
  the 
   chartered flight from MIU Santa Barbara, left FF in 1988.  I
 remain in contact w/ some 
   FFers.
   I always enjoy visting.  Maybe can arrange to visit annually for a
 week.
   
   At another request, I presented about my TM upbringing at the
 recent conference the 
   International Cultic Studies Association  ICSA.  The
 presentation was videoed.  I've not 
   seen the video/DVD yet.  It was NOT a formal presentation.  I did
 NOT discuss the 
   movement nor TM per se... only MY experience of my upbringing
 within the TMO.
   
  
  Qh, well:
  
  Patrick L. Ryan -Cultic Studies Review,  Editorial Board;
  AFF Webmaster
  Patrick Ryan, a former member of Transcendental Meditation, has been
 a Thought Reform 
  Consultant since 1984.
  
  He is Editor of AFF News: Recovery Information About Cults And
 Psychological 
  Manipulation and designs and implements AFF's Internet Web site.
  
  He is the founder and former head of TM-EX, the organization of
 ex-members of TM.
  
  He has contributed to AFF's book, Recovery From Cults, and has
 presented programs 
  about hypnosis and trance-induction techniques at several AFF
 workshops conferences.
  
  In 1997, he received the AFF Achievement Award.
 
 Scarey stuff - stranger than the stuff they oppose. Lots of old TM-ex
 articles under new banners. All under the cover of psychology. Didn't
 they start out by kidnapping people and 'deprogramming' them? 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re:the Teacher recertification course

2006-06-26 Thread Vaj

On Jun 26, 2006, at 1:14 AM, jyouells2000 wrote:Qh, well: Patrick L. Ryan -Cultic Studies Review, Editorial Board; AFF Webmaster Patrick Ryan, a former member of Transcendental Meditation, has been a Thought Reform Consultant since 1984. He is Editor of AFF News: Recovery Information About Cults And Psychological Manipulation and designs and implements AFF's Internet Web site. He is the founder and former head of TM-EX, the organization of ex-members of TM. He has contributed to AFF's book, Recovery From Cults, and has presented programs about hypnosis and trance-induction techniques at several AFF workshops conferences. In 1997, he received the AFF Achievement Award. Scarey stuff - stranger than the stuff they oppose. Lots of old TM-ex articles under new banners. All under the cover of psychology. Didn't they start out by kidnapping people and 'deprogramming' them? Maybe, maybe not. Weird things happen to people when groups like EST (now Landmark Forum) weave their way into the corporate world and people find their performance evaluations contingent on attending courses they never would've attended on their own. If the TMO successfully does what Landmark did--get itself affiliated with a number of corporations and institutions--there will be a huge backlash from people who have psychotic breaks, etc. from employees doing these courses because they are recommended for their job or performance and they go against that persons own internal compass.In one prominent New England psychiatric facility I know of firsthand, a young LCSW was told in his performance review he should take a Landmark Forum course over a weekend. The hospital paid for it. He ended up having a breakdown during the course, which really he should never have attended. The only people who came to this guys rescue (other than his own attorney and psychiatrist who stabilized him) was the AFF. It was a huge embarrassment to this hospital, because Landamark had already woven themselves into this org. Just before it went to court, the hospital settled out of court and all the transactions were kept secret. The public never knew. Suffice to say that this young college graduate became rather wealthy because of this.If you see TM coming into the corporate world and people begin having similar experiences, these same groups will come to the fore.No person should be unduly encouraged, as part of their jobs or job description, to take courses like these that go against their own inclinations. If and when they do, there will need to be some group to help support and back them.
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