[FairfieldLife] 'Download Free I-Pod Musik- from Croatia'

2007-03-04 Thread Robert Gimbel
http://georginealsbury.blogomatic.net/2007/03/03/download-music-free-from-ipod/ - Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Something to chew on from Maharishi, circa 1965

2007-03-04 Thread Robert Gimbel
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: [...] my take on the foundation for much of the TM and MMY bashing is that

[FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
Peter writes: Intent is subtle effort. Intent is present in TM. There is nothing wrong with effort when it is understood this way. But you don't use the term effort with people first starting TM because for them the term effort means something completely different. The intellect discriminates

[FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
A quote from Jean Klein from his book I AM page 85. In an experience there is still an experiencer who is stuck in the pattern of going in and out of states. Global understanding is the sudden awareness that the perceiver of these states is unaffected by them, that they appear in the perceiver.

[FairfieldLife] Bevan's Birth Day Celebration!

2007-03-04 Thread cardemaister
If you have an opportunity, please listen to Maharishi's speech on Bevan's BDC! His voice sounds better than for quite a long time, IMO. His priestly accent is interesting. For instance, he pronounced functioning approx. like functionig. Cool! :)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread Vaj
This could be #1 in a Effort in Meditation FAQ. On Mar 3, 2007, at 7:54 AM, Peter wrote: Intent is subtle effort. Intent is present in TM. There is nothing wrong with effort when it is understood this way. But you don't use the term effort with people first starting TM because for them the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This could be #1 in a Effort in Meditation FAQ. On Mar 3, 2007, at 7:54 AM, Peter wrote: Intent is subtle effort. Intent is present in TM. Except, one need not have intent to do TM.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread Vaj
On Mar 4, 2007, at 8:45 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This could be #1 in a Effort in Meditation FAQ. On Mar 3, 2007, at 7:54 AM, Peter wrote: Intent is subtle effort. Intent is present in TM. Except, one need not have intent to do

[FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 4, 2007, at 8:45 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: This could be #1 in a Effort in Meditation FAQ. On Mar 3, 2007, at 7:54 AM, Peter wrote: Intent is subtle

[FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This could be #1 in a Effort in Meditation FAQ. Except that it isn't at all clear that TM even involves *intent*. Charlie Donahue, for one (per my quote in a recent post in response to Peter, which of course Peter will not deign

[FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 4, 2007, at 8:45 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: This could be #1 in a Effort in Meditation FAQ. On Mar 3, 2007, at 7:54 AM, Peter wrote: Intent is subtle

[FairfieldLife] Hagelin's Vedic Cosmology

2007-03-04 Thread Vaj
http://snipurl.com/1bzh5-NZLZG6 4.2 meg PDF with text embedded.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread Vaj
On Mar 4, 2007, at 9:02 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 4, 2007, at 8:45 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: This could be #1 in a Effort in Meditation FAQ. On Mar 3, 2007, at 7:54

Re: [FairfieldLife] Hagelin's Vedic Cosmology

2007-03-04 Thread Vaj
Alternative download site: http://snipurl.com/1b8o1 On Mar 4, 2007, at 9:30 AM, Vaj wrote: http://snipurl.com/1bzh5-NZLZG6 4.2 meg PDF with text embedded.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread Richard J. Williams
Vaj wrote: This could be #1 in a Effort in Meditation FAQ. Vaj - Striving and effort presents an obstacle in TM, Tibetan Dzogchen and the practice of Soto Zen. In fact, striving is counterproductive. According to the Buddha himself, enlightenment cannot be achieved by striving. Here's a quote

[FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread Richard J. Williams
Intent is subtle effort. Intent is present in TM. sparaig wrote: Except, one need not have intent to do TM. Intent, effort, goal- setting, they're all contrindicated in the practice of dhyana. You are going to get only as much enlightenment as you are going to get. All you have to do is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 4, 2007, at 9:02 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 4, 2007, at 8:45 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] THINGS TMers BELIEVE, Volume I

2007-03-04 Thread TurquoiseB
Because this forum is sometimes the home of questions about or criticisms of TM, the TM organization, and/or its founder Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, this is the first of what may become a continuing series. In the series I hope to dispel any misconceptions about TM and its adherents by removing the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 4, 2007, at 9:02 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 4, 2007, at 8:45 AM,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread nablusos108
In other words, if Vaj is here agreeing with Peter that it's just a matter of not using a term that would confuse neophyte TMers, why did Vaj call it a falsehood and a false belief that TMers try to push as if it were some kind of deliberate deception? Why ? Because either Vaj has an

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread Vaj
On Mar 4, 2007, at 9:46 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Vaj - Striving and effort presents an obstacle in TM, Tibetan Dzogchen and the practice of Soto Zen. In fact, striving is counterproductive. According to the Buddha himself, enlightenment cannot be achieved by striving. Here's a quote from

[FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread Richard J. Williams
Vaj wrote: Any meditation using an OBECT will require subtle intent. Oh, so now it's subtle effort required in Buddhist sadhana? According to Swami Lakamanjoo, the last living guru of Kashmere Tantra, all you need to do to begin meditiating is feel the body as a whole. It's that simple, Vaj.

Re: [FairfieldLife] THINGS TMers BELIEVE, Volume I

2007-03-04 Thread Vaj
On Mar 4, 2007, at 10:33 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Whatever you do, don't play any of these MP3s [one MP3 of a Leonard Cohen song, sent by a TM critic] - they contain subliminal Illuminati brainwashing messages. Yeah, go figure, it was only a simply tracking device hidden in an MP3.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread Vaj
On Mar 4, 2007, at 10:38 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Vaj wrote: Any meditation using an OBECT will require subtle intent. Oh, so now it's subtle effort required in Buddhist sadhana? According to Swami Lakamanjoo, the last living guru of Kashmere Tantra, all you need to do to begin

[FairfieldLife] [was Re: THINGS TMers BELIEVE, Volume I] Things Barry won't face

2007-03-04 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because this forum is sometimes the home of questions about or criticisms of TM, the TM organization, and/or its founder Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, this is the first of what may become a continuing series. In the series

[FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread Richard J. Williams
Vaj wrote: Any meditation using an OBECT will require subtle intent. (Effort in Meditation FAQ #2?) sparaig wrote: Heh. You simply don't get it. Too much striving!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread Vaj
On Mar 4, 2007, at 10:48 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Vaj wrote: Any meditation using an OBECT will require subtle intent. (Effort in Meditation FAQ #2?) sparaig wrote: Heh. You simply don't get it. Too much striving! If I have no object, what exactly is it that I'm striving for?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread Richard J. Williams
Vaj wrote: Either that or find a Patanjali master who'd be willing to explain it to you ! ;-) You are supposed to read the book BEFORE you make your comments. Maharishi Patanjali says: When thought ceases, the Transcendental Absolute stands by itself, refers to Itself, as a witness to the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread Vaj
Some refinements, curious if you agree or not (Peter S.): On Mar 3, 2007, at 7:54 AM, Peter wrote: Intent is subtle effort. Intent is present in TM. There is nothing wrong with effort when it is understood this way. But you don't use the term effort with people first starting TM because for

[FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread Richard J. Williams
According to Swami Lakamanjoo, the last living guru of Kashmere Tantra, all you need to do to begin meditiating is feel the body as a whole. It's that simple, Vaj. Just stop your striving! Vaj wrote: Feeling an object of sensation is still meditation on an object. It's a contemplative

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sthapatya Vedic Trailer

2007-03-04 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of at_man_and_brahman Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 12:46 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sthapatya Vedic Trailer It's at MERU, and is plainly visible (including kalash) from orbit in Google

[FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread nablusos108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are supposed to read the book BEFORE you make your comments. Maharishi Patanjali says: When thought ceases, the Transcendental Absolute stands by itself, refers to Itself, as a witness to the world - 'tada

[FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread Richard J. Williams
Vaj wrote: I made no comments on Dzogchen, So you're saying that Dzogchen isn't Buddhist Sadhana. we were discussing Lawson's TM dogmas of effort vs. effortlessness. Sogyal Rinpoche does state it nicely. It's not a TM dogma - Suzuki, Sogyal, and Laksmanjoo agree that striving and effort is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread Richard J. Williams
nablusos108 wrote: Why do you bother Richard? Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to.

[FairfieldLife] Re: THINGS TMers KNOW, Volume I

2007-03-04 Thread Richard J. Williams
nablusos108 wrote: Why not just let it Be and move on. Because the comings and goings of the Maharishi is an obsession?

[FairfieldLife] Re: How old IS MMY?

2007-03-04 Thread Richard J. Williams
sparaig wrote: But everyone knows that Gurudev died in 1953, while your Brittanica quote says he died in 1952. Maybe so, but the Britannica confirms that Mahesh worked for a time in factories, that's the point. Typo, or Illuminatti conspiracy?

[FairfieldLife] Re: THINGS Some TMers on FFL BELIEVE about some TM critics on FFL, Volume I

2007-03-04 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because this forum is sometimes the home of questions about or criticisms of TM, the TM organization, and/or its founder Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, this is the first of what may become a continuing series. In this

[FairfieldLife] was: THINGS TMers BELIEVE... now: Turquoise meditates ? - TM ? !!

2007-03-04 Thread mainstream20016
A casual lurker might think that Turquoise would be wary of meditation. Which form of meditation, Turquoise? TM ? (From Turquoise, A Ducky Morning in France, FFL 131898, Feb. 27, 2007) I woke up without an alarm and meditated, then made some coffee and wandered out to the terrace overlooking

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sthapatya Vedic Trailer

2007-03-04 Thread at_man_and_brahman
51deg09'23.71 N 6deg09'17.42 E --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of at_man_and_brahman Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 12:46 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject:

[FairfieldLife] Re: THINGS Some TMers on FFL BELIEVE about some TM critics on FFL, Volume I

2007-03-04 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Because this forum is sometimes the home of questions about or criticisms of TM, the TM organization, and/or its founder Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, this

[FairfieldLife] Re: THINGS TMers KNOW, Volume I

2007-03-04 Thread nablusos108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nablusos108 wrote: Why not just let it Be and move on. Because the comings and goings of the Maharishi is an obsession? Probably. All Saints will get unwanted focus. Not that they care. What is sad is

[FairfieldLife] Re: THINGS Some TMers on FFL BELIEVE about some TM critics on FFL, Volume I

2007-03-04 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Because this forum is sometimes the home of questions about or criticisms of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hagelin's Vedic Cosmology

2007-03-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://snipurl.com/1bzh5-NZLZG6 4.2 meg PDF with text embedded. Er, thanks Vaj. Now people can download it from your site, instead of from the original url, which I posted on the various newsgroups a week or so ago. I'm

[FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 4, 2007, at 9:02 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 4, 2007, at 8:45 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: THINGS Some TMers on FFL BELIEVE about some TM critics on FFL, Volume I

2007-03-04 Thread nablusos108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Because this forum is sometimes the home of questions about or criticisms of TM, the TM organization, and/or its founder Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, this

[FairfieldLife] THINGS TMers BELIEVE ABOUT TM, THE TMO, AND MMY

2007-03-04 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 4, 2007, at 9:46 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Vaj - Striving and effort presents an obstacle in TM, Tibetan Dzogchen and the practice of Soto Zen. In fact, striving is counterproductive. According to the Buddha

[FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 4, 2007, at 10:48 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Vaj wrote: Any meditation using an OBECT will require subtle intent. (Effort in Meditation FAQ #2?) sparaig wrote: Heh. You simply don't get it. Too

[FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Intent is subtle effort. Intent is present in TM. sparaig wrote: Except, one need not have intent to do TM. Intent, effort, goal- setting, they're all contrindicated in the practice of dhyana. You

[FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 4, 2007, at 10:38 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Vaj wrote: Any meditation using an OBECT will require subtle intent. Oh, so now it's subtle effort required in Buddhist sadhana? According to Swami

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sthapatya Vedic Trailer

2007-03-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of at_man_and_brahman Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 12:46 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sthapatya Vedic

[FairfieldLife] Re: How old IS MMY?

2007-03-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sparaig wrote: But everyone knows that Gurudev died in 1953, while your Brittanica quote says he died in 1952. Maybe so, but the Britannica confirms that Mahesh worked for a time in factories, that's

[FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread Richard J. Williams
sparaig wrote: What, pray tell, is NOT an object? The Absolute, the Transcendent, is not an object of cognition. All meditation requires is the will to begin. An object, such as a sound used in sadhana, simply provides the opportunity for the transcending - the object is not the goal or the real

[FairfieldLife] Re: How old IS MMY?

2007-03-04 Thread nablusos108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: sparaig wrote: But everyone knows that Gurudev died in 1953, while your Brittanica quote says he died in 1952. Maybe so, but the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread Richard J. Williams
Meditation does not unfold the Self - the Self unfolds Itself, by Itself, to Itself. - MMY 1967, CBG VI, 5, P. 293 sparaig wrote: And or by using any attractive object. Or by the use of mantras in meditation or by the use of simples. Psychic and spiritual powers (siddhi) may be inborn,

[FairfieldLife] Re: THINGS TMers BELIEVE ABOUT TM, THE TMO, AND MMY

2007-03-04 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: THINGS TMers KNOW, Volume I

2007-03-04 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: nablusos108 wrote: Why not just let it Be and move on. Because the comings and goings of the Maharishi is an obsession?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 4, 2007, at 10:38 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Vaj wrote: Any meditation using an OBECT will require subtle intent. Oh, so now it's

RE: [FairfieldLife] Bevan's Birth Day Celebration!

2007-03-04 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of cardemaister Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 5:52 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Bevan's Birth Day Celebration! If you have an opportunity, please listen to Maharishi's speech on Bevan's

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sparaig Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 7:46 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

[FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sparaig Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 7:46 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist

[FairfieldLife] Re: THINGS TMers BELIEVE ABOUT TM, THE TMO, AND MMY

2007-03-04 Thread Richard J. Williams
I stand by my title for the other thread. It doesn't imply that it's ALL things that TMers believe, does it? Non sequitur. Read what I wrote again, please. Speaking of non sequiturs and thread titles, it looks like you and Jim are once again changing the subject line of threads.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sparaig Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 7:46 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist

[FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread Richard J. Williams
sparaig wrote: Does this mean that I'm doing TM wrong? Transcending is an automatic process; it doesn't require any effort or striving because there is no goal, no destination. You are already in the enlightened state; your mind is just covered over with the appearance of the material world -

[FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sparaig Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 7:46 AM To:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread Richard J. Williams
authfriend wrote: That scripture quote is meaningless without context, Rick, as I've pointed out before. And as I recently posted, Charlie Donahue is quoted as saying TM doesn't even involve *intent* (which is my experience, and obviously Lawson's as well). There's some kind of subtle

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread Vaj
On Mar 4, 2007, at 2:56 PM, Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sparaig Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 7:46 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana. --- In

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hagelin's Vedic Cosmology

2007-03-04 Thread Vaj
On Mar 4, 2007, at 1:48 PM, sparaig wrote: Er, thanks Vaj. Now people can download it from your site, instead of from the original url, which I posted on the various newsgroups a week or so ago. I'm trying to get him to upload his Is Consciousness the Unified Field? article as well:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread Richard J. Williams
sparaig wrote: I suspect that MMY's point was that at most some subtle effort MIGHT be involved, especially at the start. At most all it takes is the will to live. The fruits of meditation are not the result of effort or concentration. According to Bhagavad Gita, clinging to fruits of one's

[FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread nablusos108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sparaig wrote: Does this mean that I'm doing TM wrong? Transcending is an automatic process; it doesn't require any effort or striving because there is no goal, no destination. You are already in the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread Robert Gimbel
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sparaig wrote: Does this mean that I'm doing TM wrong? Transcending is an automatic process; it doesn't require any effort or striving because there is no goal, no destination. You are already in the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 4, 2007, at 2:56 PM, Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sparaig Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 7:46 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hagelin's Vedic Cosmology

2007-03-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 4, 2007, at 1:48 PM, sparaig wrote: Er, thanks Vaj. Now people can download it from your site, instead of from the original url, which I posted on the various newsgroups a week or so ago. I'm trying to get

[FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 4, 2007, at 2:56 PM, Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sparaig Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 7:46 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sparaig

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread Vaj
On Mar 4, 2007, at 3:30 PM, sparaig wrote: It's well known, save to those of us who were content to keep to our original practice, rather than seek something better. And then there are those of us who never abandoned our practice at all, but integrated it with more advanced or more

[FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread Richard J. Williams
Transcending is an automatic process; it doesn't require any effort or striving because there is no goal, no destination. You are already in the enlightened state; your mind is just covered over with the appearance of the material world - Maya. All you have to do is isolate the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hagelin's Vedic Cosmology

2007-03-04 Thread Vaj
On Mar 4, 2007, at 3:32 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 4, 2007, at 1:48 PM, sparaig wrote: Er, thanks Vaj. Now people can download it from your site, instead of from the original url, which I posted on the various newsgroups a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread Vaj
On Mar 4, 2007, at 3:40 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Maybe so, but both Barry and Vaj seem to be believers in the enlightenment tradition, except they got a little mixed up when they adopted Buddhism, not realizing that the practice advocated by Mahesh IS pure Buddhist Yoga. Actually that

Re: [FairfieldLife] The Beatles Biggest Secrets

2007-03-04 Thread Bhairitu
Vaj wrote: The Beatles Biggest Secrets On BBC America 3/3/07 10:00 PM http://www.bbcamerica.com/content/200/index.jsp It was okay but not that much to it. You won't see much of Maharishi, just some of Paul Saltzman's photos from Rishikesh.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread Richard J. Williams
Robert Gimbel wrote: I'm sure in India, when Maharishi was with Guru Dev, there were some powerful ceremonies, and powerful being which would help to dispel any deep rooted lower energies. From what I've read, Robert, being in the same room with Guru Dev was a meditation in itself, where

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: They're Made Out Of Meat

2007-03-04 Thread Bhairitu
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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread Rick Archer
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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread Rick Archer
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hagelin's Vedic Cosmology

2007-03-04 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My OCR packages all take PDF's as input docs. Neat. Which packages are these? I do this to all the PDF bitmapped documents I get now. You can search for words then. A lot of people are doing entire series of books,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 4, 2007, at 3:30 PM, sparaig wrote: It's well known, save to those of us who were content to keep to our original practice, rather than seek something better. And then there are those of us who never

[FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sparaig Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 2:02 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist

[FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of authfriend Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 2:09 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist

[FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of authfriend Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 2:09 PM To:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Judy: That scripture quote is meaningless without context, Rick, as I've pointed out before. Rick: I don't recall that he provided a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread Vaj
On Mar 4, 2007, at 4:09 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Gentle means gentle. Just the intention to entertain the mantra is a gentle effort, as compared with just sitting there letting random thoughts run amok Intent to sit, intent to close eyes (and remove them from their open state), intention

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hagelin's Vedic Cosmology

2007-03-04 Thread Vaj
On Mar 4, 2007, at 4:18 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My OCR packages all take PDF's as input docs. Neat. Which packages are these? I have Adobe Acrobat Professional, ReadIris Pro and OmniPage Pro. Omnipage for Windows is the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 4, 2007, at 4:09 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Gentle means gentle. Just the intention to entertain the mantra is a gentle effort, as compared with just sitting there letting random thoughts run amok Intent to sit,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 4, 2007, at 4:09 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Gentle means gentle. Just the intention to entertain the mantra is a gentle effort, as compared

Re: [FairfieldLife] The Beatles Biggest Secrets

2007-03-04 Thread Vaj
On Mar 4, 2007, at 3:47 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Vaj wrote: The Beatles Biggest Secrets On BBC America 3/3/07 10:00 PM http://www.bbcamerica.com/content/200/index.jsp It was okay but not that much to it. You won't see much of Maharishi, just some of Paul Saltzman's photos from Rishikesh.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sthapatya Vedic Trailer

2007-03-04 Thread at_man_and_brahman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of at_man_and_brahman Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 12:46 AM To:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread hermandan0
I don't know about the lecture Rick refers to and the context of the quote, but I have many times seen one of the Humbolt tapes where Maharishi was asked about this. I paraphrase, but it's pretty close. The questioner asked--We are told to think the mantra as effortlessly as we think any other

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread Jonathan Chadwick
According to that reasoning there are plenty of celestial beings around who could enlighten us right now. Why don't they? Maybe we don't deserve it. Meditation is a starting point - nothing more; but if it keeps our energies up, it makes alot of sense to keep it up..., etc. Richard J.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sparaig Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 2:02 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist

[FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist Sadhana.

2007-03-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of authfriend Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 2:09 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Effort required in Buddhist

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