[FairfieldLife] Re: YouTube - We Are Theo - Chapter 1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Movie by Geoff Boothby, who grew up on MUM campus. In 5 parts, starting with HYPERLINK http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=spfrLycH8tQhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s pfrLycH8tQ ** His parents have been on faculty there for some time: http://www.mum.edu/cee/boothby.html I had to laugh when I saw thanks to Taco John in the credits -- I guess one of the scenes was shot there...
[FairfieldLife] Re: YouTube - We Are Theo - Chapter 1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Movie by Geoff Boothby, who grew up on MUM campus. In 5 parts, starting with http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spfrLycH8tQ Very sweet, and so *innocent* for a student film these days. Nice to see.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Yogis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: In the current issue of Vanity Fair, ranging from famous teachers of yoga to famous practitioners of yoga, all shot with that famous VF photo quality. There are also some outtakes from the photo shoot (not the same photos that are in the issue itself) at: http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2007/06/yoga_slideshow200706 Thanks for posting this. It looks like Maharishi's efforts continue to pay off in a big way. Ahem. Maharishi's efforts? Do I hear a bit of self-importance projected onto the world here? :-) Why not Yogananda's efforts, or Ramana Maharshi's, or even (perish the thought) the efforts of the people that Vanity Fair considered important enough in the world of yoga to take photos of? Oh, but I forgot...it's not really *their* efforts that made hatha yoga popular. That's an erroneous view held only by the ignorant. They were only able to make an impact on society and make hatha yoga popular because Maharishi hired a gym teacher to write a small pamphlet of simplistic yoga postures. There are many, many spiritual movements and revitalized religions that have emerged recently as a result of the new infusion of spiritual energy that MMY and Guru Dev brought about during the last 50 or so years. And again, the people who actually did the work *to* revitalize these spiritual movements deserve none of the credit; their success is due only to the work of a guy they've never met and, in the case of most of the younger generation of yoga practitioners, prob- ably have never even heard of. And, given the fact that the TM movement now preaches only to the already- converted and effectively no longer teaches even TM, they never *will* hear of Maharishi. In the larger spiritual scene of today's world, he's a nonentity. As he said so long ago with reference to the inevitable questions about other religions practiced when one does TM, that the other religions would find their essence if the practitioners did TM. And so we are seeing these results. Wonderful!:- And you're going to post the reasons you believe all these people practice -- or have ever practiced -- TM exactly when? :-) I'm sorry, but I've seen this tendency for devotees of one spiritual teacher to *co-opt* the achievements of other spiritual teachers and other spiritual movements (let alone creative people) so often, and in so many spiritual organizations, that it's beginning to wear on me. The Beatles became a success only because of Maharishi. Ditto Donovan and the Beach Boys and David Lynch. If it weren't for Maharishi and his contribution to their work, they'd have never have become famous. Yeah, right. I've watched the Hare Krishnas try to co-opt George Harrison's creativity and credit it to A.C. Bhakti- vedanta Swami Prabhupada. I've seen Scientologists claim that the real reason that Tom Cruise and John Travolta and other stars are successful is because of L. Ron Hubbard. I've seen people claim that John McLaughlin's guitar ability is only due to Sri Chinmoy, and so on and so on. Yeah, right. Does anyone besides myself notice a trend here? The consistent statement, no matter which spiritual trad- ition it comes from, is along the lines of, This famous yoga teacher/musician/actor/politician/film- maker/whatever is only able to do what he does because of *MY* teacher. Therefore *I* am important because *I* follow that teacher. Yeah, right. News flash -- if you want to feel *inspired* by the achievements of creative people and leaders in the world of spirituality, that's cool. But when you try to co-opt their achievements and credit them to a teacher they've never worked with and probably don't know from Adam, just because it makes you feel more important, that's kinda crossing a line in my opinion. One gets the credit for accomplishments by actually accomplishing something, not by claiming that your teacher did.
[FairfieldLife] John Safran meets a Hindu Guru / Atheists
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Dt3US50patw http://youtube.com/watch?v=HBkUWbFjdpg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: why not relinquish TM?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bhairitu wrote: There are plenty of yogis who can teach people how to teach yogic meditation some of which may work a lot better or safer. So, how many yogis can teach a person how to transcend? From my experience, and I've studied with several, not a single one had any idea of how to effortlessly go beyond the thinkng process, by transcending, like we regularly do using the TM technique. Here's a partial list: Suzuki Roshi Chogyam Trungpa Tarthang Tulku Swami Rama Swami Prakashanand Saraswati Yogi Bhajan Jose Silva A valid point. However, it's a fairly safe bet that none of the students of the teachers mentioned above -- even though they might not have your vast experience with transcending -- are known far and wide as Internet Trolls who live in Pisspot, Texas and get their jollies by making shit up and posting it, all because they're lonely and crave attention. Perhaps if the other students of these teachers had transcended more, they would have achieved your status in life.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Yogis
Is it just me or is anyone else getting sick and tired of Barry constantly dissing the Marshy? I mean, here is a guy that worked for Marshy for over 14 years, selling mantras and passing out leaflets promising enlightenment in 5-7 years, and then he went over to put up posters for Freddy for another 14 years, promising instant enlightenment. If everything Barry says about the Marshy is true, then that makes Barry one really dumb guy to be critizizing his old guru now. TurquoiseB wrote: Ahem. Maharishi's efforts? Do I hear a bit of self-importance projected onto the world here? :-) Why not Yogananda's efforts, or Ramana Maharshi's, or even (perish the thought) the efforts of the people that Vanity Fair considered important enough in the world of yoga to take photos of? Oh, but I forgot...it's not really *their* efforts that made hatha yoga popular. That's an erroneous view held only by the ignorant. They were only able to make an impact on society and make hatha yoga popular because Maharishi hired a gym teacher to write a small pamphlet of simplistic yoga postures. There are many, many spiritual movements and revitalized religions that have emerged recently as a result of the new infusion of spiritual energy that MMY and Guru Dev brought about during the last 50 or so years. And again, the people who actually did the work *to* revitalize these spiritual movements deserve none of the credit; their success is due only to the work of a guy they've never met and, in the case of most of the younger generation of yoga practitioners, prob- ably have never even heard of. And, given the fact that the TM movement now preaches only to the already- converted and effectively no longer teaches even TM, they never *will* hear of Maharishi. In the larger spiritual scene of today's world, he's a nonentity. As he said so long ago with reference to the inevitable questions about other religions practiced when one does TM, that the other religions would find their essence if the practitioners did TM. And so we are seeing these results. Wonderful!:- And you're going to post the reasons you believe all these people practice -- or have ever practiced -- TM exactly when? :-) I'm sorry, but I've seen this tendency for devotees of one spiritual teacher to *co-opt* the achievements of other spiritual teachers and other spiritual movements (let alone creative people) so often, and in so many spiritual organizations, that it's beginning to wear on me. The Beatles became a success only because of Maharishi. Ditto Donovan and the Beach Boys and David Lynch. If it weren't for Maharishi and his contribution to their work, they'd have never have become famous. Yeah, right. I've watched the Hare Krishnas try to co-opt George Harrison's creativity and credit it to A.C. Bhakti- vedanta Swami Prabhupada. I've seen Scientologists claim that the real reason that Tom Cruise and John Travolta and other stars are successful is because of L. Ron Hubbard. I've seen people claim that John McLaughlin's guitar ability is only due to Sri Chinmoy, and so on and so on. Yeah, right. Does anyone besides myself notice a trend here? The consistent statement, no matter which spiritual trad- ition it comes from, is along the lines of, This famous yoga teacher/musician/actor/politician/film- maker/whatever is only able to do what he does because of *MY* teacher. Therefore *I* am important because *I* follow that teacher. Yeah, right. News flash -- if you want to feel *inspired* by the achievements of creative people and leaders in the world of spirituality, that's cool. But when you try to co-opt their achievements and credit them to a teacher they've never worked with and probably don't know from Adam, just because it makes you feel more important, that's kinda crossing a line in my opinion. One gets the credit for accomplishments by actually accomplishing something, not by claiming that your teacher did.
[FairfieldLife] Re: PREPARE FOR GLOBAL COOLING!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I agree, and have no problem with what Maharishi said in the quote, merely with 1) the triteness of how he said it Well, actually, in his earlier post Barry did have a problem with the content of what MMY said: It has zero level of profundity for me, but to her, it seems to be genuinely profound. She keeps bring- ing it up as if it's one of the most profound things she's ever heard. (As already noted, Barry's comments about me were entirely in error.) , and 2) the idea that he's saying this because he perceives at that level. Irrelevant to my quotation of it. That's Barry's idea, not mine. snip I do find it amusing that the person who is first in line to bust people here for being contradictory and to claim that makes them unbelievable as sources of information seems to hold as her favorite Maharishi quote him contradicting himself big-time. :-) Not my favorite Maharishi quote. As Barry knows, I've never had any problem with knowledge is different in different states of consciousness-type contradictions. As Barry also knows, what I bust him for are his waking-state contradictions (the ones he attempts to justify by claiming he changes constantly from one small self to another, or by invoking the knowledge is different premise as if his waking- state contradictions fell into that category). Perhaps he'll try one of those dodges to explain why he delivered a long rant last week claiming that I'm always the one who starts it, then proceeded to attack me three or four times as soon as he was sure I wouldn't be back until the next week.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: why not relinquish TM?
Vaj wrote: It's the 32 sciences and the 64 arts. On Jun 24, 2007, at 6:16 PM, cardemaister wrote: That makes sense since the reason for rajas and castes, etc. is to preserve the 64 (or is it 84?) traditional arts and sciences. The word caste isn't mentioned in the Vedas. You need to get some smarts, Vaj, there are jatis in India, a division of labor. Caste is a word used in Portugal. I think at least in Kaama-suutra, 64 are mentioned.
[FairfieldLife] Re: John Safran meets a Hindu Guru / Atheists
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Dt3US50patw http://youtube.com/watch?v=HBkUWbFjdpg I haven't been able to watch the videos yet because I'm running a compile that is taking up so many machine resources that there are none left to run YouTube. But I look forward to doing so as soon as the compile finishes, because of the bio on John's website, purportedly written by his ex-girlfriend: http://www.johnsafran.com/ Now *that* is a bio. Don't miss her other notes on other pages of the website. It's self-effacement as art. Even if it really *is* written by his ex- girlfriend.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: why not relinquish TM?
Bhairitu wrote: There are plenty of yogis who can teach people how to teach yogic meditation some of which may work a lot better or safer. So, how many yogis can teach a person how to transcend? From my experience, and I've studied with several, not a single one had any idea of how to effortlessly go beyond the thinkng process, by transcending, like we regularly do using the TM technique. Here's a partial list: Suzuki Roshi Chogyam Trungpa Tarthang Tulku Swami Rama Swami Prakashanand Saraswati Yogi Bhajan Jose Silva
[FairfieldLife] Re: PREPARE FOR GLOBAL COOLING!
Ignoring the slam, focusing on the only interesting thing Judy said: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As Barry also knows, what I bust him for are his waking-state contradictions (the ones he attempts to justify by claiming he changes constantly from one small self to another, or by invoking the knowledge is different premise as if his waking- state contradictions fell into that category). Do you honestly believe that the waking state is only one state of consciousness, and thus that knowledge is different in different states of consciousness doesn't apply to it? I'll be interested to hear your answer, because I don't. I see the waking state more from a Buddhist POV these days, and thus as having ten thousand states of mind, all of them different, all of them *as* different from one another in terms of how the world appears when viewed from that state of mind as Maharishi's CC is from his Waking State or GC or UC. Think back, Jude. I know you were young once, and possibly...uh...overindulged in the evils of alcohol. It's even remotely possible that once or twice in your life you woke up with a screamin' hangover, the kind that first makes you think you're gonna die, and after a few minutes makes you worry that maybe you won't. In such a state of waking state, do you actually claim that the reality you saw around you while hung over was the *same* reality that you see after a nice, shiny meditation? (Assuming that you *have* nice, shiny, meditations, that is.) Similarly, when you've been up for 36 hours working on some deadline, and are so tired that you can barely keep your eyes open, do you honestly believe that your perceptions of the world around you are the *same* as having just arisen from a good night's sleep? (Well, in your case they might be, but I don't think most people would say that they are.) Knowledge (and the perception of reality) are NOT just different in Maharishi's dumbed-down seven states of consciousness. They're different in *all* of the ten thousand states of mind. Most humans, as far as I can tell, only experience about twenty or thirty of the different states of mind available to them *within* the waking state. They bounce back and forth between the same old same old to more same old same old, never venturing past the familiar. But once you've bounced a little further on the spectrum, and have experienced a few states of mind *within* the waking state that are as different from the same old same old and from one another as CC is from GC or UC, you don't tend to believe that MMY's 7 SOCs is anywhere near accurate. Feel free to respond with a long gotta defend myself at all costs and slam Barry at the same time rant if you'd like. If so, you'll find no response on my end. But if you think you can actually address the topic I've brought up, without rancor, I'd love to hear your take on it. The way I see it, *how* you choose to respond is entirely based on which of the ten thousand states of mind you've chosen to live in right now. If you have gone for the same old same old, and choose to stay there, you'll respond with more of the same old same old. But if you actually are capable of shifting your state of mind to a higher level *within* the waking state, you might find that knowledge -- and reality -- look different from that point of view. Good luck.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: PREPARE FOR GLOBAL COOLING!
On Jun 25, 2007, at 9:47 AM, authfriend wrote: snip I do find it amusing that the person who is first in line to bust people here for being contradictory and to claim that makes them unbelievable as sources of information seems to hold as her favorite Maharishi quote him contradicting himself big-time. :-) Not my favorite Maharishi quote. What is your favorite Maharishi quote Judy?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Yogis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: In the current issue of Vanity Fair, ranging from famous teachers of yoga to famous practitioners of yoga, all shot with that famous VF photo quality. There are also some outtakes from the photo shoot (not the same photos that are in the issue itself) at: http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2007/06/yoga_slideshow200706 I'm glad they labeled it Spiritual Stretching. The meaning of yoga (authentically pronounced yog as the a is silent) is actually meditation. The poses are prep exercises for sitting in meditation poses. The term spiritual stretching is also a very clever pun too. The words vanity fair are also very telling.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Yogis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One gets the credit for accomplishments by actually accomplishing something, not by claiming that your teacher did. I absolutely agree with this last bit. I also think you are taking what I said to an absurd degree. What I have said is analogous to the fact that the electrification of the US wouldn't have occurred were it not for Edison. You probably don't see it that way. OK by me. However to imply that I am denigrating those who followed in Maharishi's footsteps, like the Vanity Fair yoga photographer, is not at all what I am talking about, or that anyone who has ever accomplished anything spiritually including any of us here, hasn't done so entirely on their own merits, through their own choice, and through their own efforts. However, someone had to revitalize the spiritual momentum of the world. The religions weren't doing it. The fact that it is Maharishi and Guru Dev doesn't matter much. It could have been anyone else. Reality check: Its just that it wasn't, though Yogananda did a great job of softening up the soil in the West so to speak. And last, this implication that Maharishi and Guru Dev did this and therefore it reflects on me somehow is just plain nonsensical. I hope that clarifies to you what I have said originally. In a nutshell I said what I said without any further implications or conclusions to be drawn. A settled mind. It is what it is, and no more. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Yogis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: In the current issue of Vanity Fair, ranging from famous teachers of yoga to famous practitioners of yoga, all shot with that famous VF photo quality. There are also some outtakes from the photo shoot (not the same photos that are in the issue itself) at: http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2007/06/yoga_slideshow200706 I'm glad they labeled it Spiritual Stretching. The meaning of yoga (authentically pronounced yog as the a is silent) is actually meditation. The poses are prep exercises for sitting in meditation poses. The term spiritual stretching is also a very clever pun too. The words vanity fair are also very telling. Oh ye who skipped Comparative Literature 101. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanity_Fair :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Yogis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: In the current issue of Vanity Fair, ranging from famous teachers of yoga to famous practitioners of yoga, all shot with that famous VF photo quality. There are also some outtakes from the photo shoot (not the same photos that are in the issue itself) at: http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2007/06/yoga_slideshow200706 I'm glad they labeled it Spiritual Stretching. The meaning of yoga (authentically pronounced yog as the a is silent) is actually meditation. The poses are prep exercises for sitting in meditation poses. The term spiritual stretching is also a very clever pun too. The words vanity fair are also very telling. Oh ye who skipped Comparative Literature 101. I'm obviously referring to the meaning of the words themselves, not their extraneous use, oh you of grand ego trip. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanity_Fair :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: why not relinquish TM?
Bhairitu wrote: There are plenty of yogis who can teach people how to teach yogic meditation some of which may work a lot better or safer. So, how many yogis can teach a person how to transcend? From my experience, and I've studied with several, not a single one had any idea of how to effortlessly go beyond the thinkng process, by transcending, like we regularly do using the TM technique. Here's a partial list: Suzuki Roshi Chogyam Trungpa Tarthang Tulku Swami Rama Swami Prakashanand Saraswati Yogi Bhajan Jose Silva TurquoiseB wrote: A valid point. So, you can't name a single teacher that has taught you or any of his students how to effortlessly transcend, not even Freddy the Zen Master. However, it's a fairly safe bet that none of the students of the teachers mentioned above -- even though they might not have your vast experience with transcending -- are known far and wide as Internet Trolls who live in Pisspot, Texas and get their jollies by making shit up and posting it, all because they're lonely and crave attention. Non sequitur. Perhaps if the other students of these teachers had transcended more, they would have achieved your status in life. Maybe so, but only one teacher was able to explain to me the mechanics of conciousness and to show me how to transcend - Marshy. All the others didn't seem to have a clue about how to reach transcendence using a technique - it was all just talk. So, unlike you, I'd give Marshy credit for that, the most important thing, and cut him a lot of slack for all the other things he did or did not do, including letting himself get seduced by Linda and failing to tell us about it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Yogis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: One gets the credit for accomplishments by actually accomplishing something, not by claiming that your teacher did. I absolutely agree with this last bit. I also think you are taking what I said to an absurd degree. What I have said is analogous to the fact that the electrification of the US wouldn't have occurred were it not for Edison. You probably don't see it that way. OK by me. However to imply that I am denigrating those who followed in Maharishi's footsteps, like the Vanity Fair yoga photographer, is not at all what I am talking about, or that anyone who has ever accomplished anything spiritually including any of us here, hasn't done so entirely on their own merits, through their own choice, and through their own efforts. However, someone had to revitalize the spiritual momentum of the world. The religions weren't doing it. The fact that it is Maharishi and Guru Dev doesn't matter much. It could have been anyone else. Reality check: Its just that it wasn't, though Yogananda did a great job of softening up the soil in the West so to speak. And last, this implication that Maharishi and Guru Dev did this and therefore it reflects on me somehow is just plain nonsensical. I hope that clarifies to you what I have said originally. In a nutshell I said what I said without any further implications or conclusions to be drawn. A settled mind. It is what it is, and no more. :-) According to you MMY is perfect and revitalized the spiritual momentum of the world. Do tell, oh settled mind, where is your proof of this?
[FairfieldLife] Dana Sawyer / Shankaracharya controversy
Could one of you sleuths find the post where Dana Sawyer discusses the Shankaracharya controversy? I thought it was in the files section, but I don’t see it there. Somebody contacted me wanting information and the link in the links section no longer works. Dana would also like a link to the information to which he can refer people. Thanks. Rick Archer President SearchSummit HYPERLINK http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmapaddr=1108+S.+B+St.csz=Fairfield% 2C+IA+52556-3805country=us \n1108 S. B St. Fairfield, IA 52556-3805 HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel: fax: Skype ID: HYPERLINK http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?src=jj_signatureTo=641-472-9336Email=r [EMAIL PROTECTED] \n641-472-9336 914-470-9336 Rick_Archer HYPERLINK https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=25769982909v0=356483k0=1251699766v1=35648 4k1=804482755src=client_sig_212_1_card_joininvite=1 \nAlways have my latest info HYPERLINK http://www.plaxo.com/signature?src=client_sig_212_1_card_sig; \nWant a signature like this? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.7/868 - Release Date: 6/25/2007 12:20 PM image001.gif
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Yogis
geezerfreak wrote: According to you MMY is perfect and revitalized the spiritual momentum of the world. Do tell, oh settled mind, where is your proof of this? Yeah, and I'm getting real sick and tired of your constant flaming and dissing of the Marshy. You've added nothing to my ability to effortlessly transcend. What's your point? TurquoiseB wrote: One gets the credit for accomplishments by actually accomplishing something, not by claiming that your teacher did. jim flanegin wrote: I absolutely agree with this last bit. I also think you are taking what I said to an absurd degree. What I have said is analogous to the fact that the electrification of the US wouldn't have occurred were it not for Edison. You probably don't see it that way. OK by me. However to imply that I am denigrating those who followed in Maharishi's footsteps, like the Vanity Fair yoga photographer, is not at all what I am talking about, or that anyone who has ever accomplished anything spiritually including any of us here, hasn't done so entirely on their own merits, through their own choice, and through their own efforts. However, someone had to revitalize the spiritual momentum of the world. The religions weren't doing it. The fact that it is Maharishi and Guru Dev doesn't matter much. It could have been anyone else. Reality check: Its just that it wasn't, though Yogananda did a great job of softening up the soil in the West so to speak. And last, this implication that Maharishi and Guru Dev did this and therefore it reflects on me somehow is just plain nonsensical. I hope that clarifies to you what I have said originally. In a nutshell I said what I said without any further implications or conclusions to be drawn. A settled mind. It is what it is, and no more. :-)
[FairfieldLife] YouTube - Transcendental Meditation Organization. A cult? A religion?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: why not relinquish TM?
Richard J. Williams wrote: Bhairitu wrote: There are plenty of yogis who can teach people how to teach yogic meditation some of which may work a lot better or safer. So, how many yogis can teach a person how to transcend? From my experience, and I've studied with several, not a single one had any idea of how to effortlessly go beyond the thinkng process, by transcending, like we regularly do using the TM technique. Here's a partial list: Suzuki Roshi Chogyam Trungpa Tarthang Tulku Swami Rama Swami Prakashanand Saraswati Yogi Bhajan Jose Silva More likely its your cognitive abilities that are messed up. Lots of yogis can provide techniques that lets the mind transcendent. TM does teach a person how to transcend, it provides you to tools to do so. So do many other techniques. Get over it.
[FairfieldLife] Please help me find a good astrologer
I need a good astrologer, either Western or Jyotish. Someone who is skilled at looking at two charts and seeing how the two people concerned fit together. Does anyone have any suggestions? Eleven years ago I had an excellent reading from a guy called Colin Maxwell. Anyone know him or where I could contact him? Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer / Shankaracharya controversy
Rick Archer wrote: Could one of you sleuths find the post where Dana Sawyer discusses the Shankaracharya controversy? Sure, if you could call it a discussion. Why can't Dana post his own comments? I've been waiting for a reply from him for over two years. Willytex responds to Dana (from alt.m.t): http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/72966 Dana's response to Akasha's questions: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/44144 Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental From: willytex Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:32:37 -0400 Subject: Scholar-Meditator disputes Willytex http://tinyurl.com/2b7yrq Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental From: willytex Date: 13 Sep 2005 20:20:39 -0700 Subject: Jyotirmath Lineage http://tinyurl.com/yuro9f Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental From: willytex Date: 7 Jun 2005 22:20:39 -0700 Subject: THE Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath http://tinyurl.com/yql4k2
RE: [FairfieldLife] Please help me find a good astrologer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of feste37 Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 11:43 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Please help me find a good astrologer I need a good astrologer, either Western or Jyotish. Someone who is skilled at looking at two charts and seeing how the two people concerned fit together. Does anyone have any suggestions? Eleven years ago I had an excellent reading from a guy called Colin Maxwell. Anyone know him or where I could contact him? Thanks in advance for any suggestions. The best one I’ve seen is a Canadian named Prasanan, who travels with Amma. He doesn’t do long distance readings, so you would have to catch him somewhere on her tour: HYPERLINK http://amma.org/tours/amma-tours/n_america.htmlhttp://amma.org/tours/amma- tours/n_america.html. Blaine Watson (another Canadian) is also very good and does do long-distance readings: [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.7/868 - Release Date: 6/25/2007 12:20 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Please help me find a good astrologer
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need a good astrologer, either Western or Jyotish. Someone who is skilled at looking at two charts and seeing how the two people concerned fit together. Got something going in the relationship department, hey hey? Does anyone have any suggestions? Eleven years ago I had an excellent reading from a guy called Colin Maxwell. Anyone know him or where I could contact him? Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Yogis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: One gets the credit for accomplishments by actually accomplishing something, not by claiming that your teacher did. I absolutely agree with this last bit. I also think you are taking what I said to an absurd degree. What I have said is analogous to the fact that the electrification of the US wouldn't have occurred were it not for Edison. You probably don't see it that way. OK by me. However to imply that I am denigrating those who followed in Maharishi's footsteps, like the Vanity Fair yoga photographer, is not at all what I am talking about, or that anyone who has ever accomplished anything spiritually including any of us here, hasn't done so entirely on their own merits, through their own choice, and through their own efforts. However, someone had to revitalize the spiritual momentum of the world. The religions weren't doing it. The fact that it is Maharishi and Guru Dev doesn't matter much. It could have been anyone else. Reality check: Its just that it wasn't, though Yogananda did a great job of softening up the soil in the West so to speak. And last, this implication that Maharishi and Guru Dev did this and therefore it reflects on me somehow is just plain nonsensical. I hope that clarifies to you what I have said originally. In a nutshell I said what I said without any further implications or conclusions to be drawn. A settled mind. It is what it is, and no more. :-) According to you MMY is perfect and revitalized the spiritual momentum of the world. Do tell, oh settled mind, where is your proof of this? Maharishi *and* Guru Dev. Do you have any proof that they haven't?:-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Please help me find a good astrologer
On Jun 25, 2007, at 11:42 AM, feste37 wrote: I need a good astrologer, either Western or Jyotish. Someone who is skilled at looking at two charts and seeing how the two people concerned fit together. Purely MO, Feste, but I would say, if you need an astrologer or anyone else to tell you whether or not you fit with someone--probably a good idea to keep looking. Sal
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Yogis
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jim_flanegin Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 12:19 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Yogis According to you MMY is perfect and revitalized the spiritual momentum of the world. Do tell, oh settled mind, where is your proof of this? Maharishi *and* Guru Dev. Do you have any proof that they haven't?:-) You guys are speaking in absolutes. He made a major contribution. Others have also. Still others are and will. God is not a one-trick pony. No one person is solely responsible for the world’s salvation or demise. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.7/868 - Release Date: 6/25/2007 12:20 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: PREPARE FOR GLOBAL COOLING!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ignoring the slam, focusing on the only interesting thing Judy said: Nah, let's first just restore your slam at *me* and expose its disingenuity again--you know, the part you're so eager for folks to forget about: snip I do find it amusing that the person who is first in line to bust people here for being contradictory and to claim that makes them unbelievable as sources of information seems to hold as her favorite Maharishi quote him contradicting himself big-time. :-) Not my favorite Maharishi quote. As Barry knows, I've never had any problem with knowledge is different in different states of consciousness-type contradictions. As Barry also knows, what I bust him for are his waking-state contradictions (the ones he attempts to justify by claiming he changes constantly from one small self to another, or by invoking the knowledge is different premise as if his waking- state contradictions fell into that category). Perhaps he'll try one of those dodges to explain why he delivered a long rant last week claiming that I'm always the one who starts it, then proceeded to attack me three or four times as soon as he was sure I wouldn't be back until the next week. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: As Barry also knows, what I bust him for are his waking-state contradictions (the ones he attempts to justify by claiming he changes constantly from one small self to another, or by invoking the knowledge is different premise as if his waking- state contradictions fell into that category). Do you honestly believe that the waking state is only one state of consciousness, and thus that knowledge is different in different states of consciousness doesn't apply to it? Obviously, it depends on how you define states of consciousness. For instance, knowledge is different in different states of consciousness does not apply to claiming I'm the person who always starts it one day and then only a week later making several posts attacking me, entirely unprovoked. I'll be interested to hear your answer, because I don't. I see the waking state more from a Buddhist POV these days, and thus as having ten thousand states of mind, States of mind are not the same as states of consciousness. all of them different, all of them *as* different from one another in terms of how the world appears when viewed from that state of mind as Maharishi's CC is from his Waking State or GC or UC. No, states of mind aren't different from each other the same way CC/GC/UC is from waking state. Category error. Think back, Jude. I know you were young once, and possibly...uh...overindulged in the evils of alcohol. It's even remotely possible that once or twice in your life you woke up with a screamin' hangover, the kind that first makes you think you're gonna die, and after a few minutes makes you worry that maybe you won't. Nah, never had anything like that bad a hangover. In such a state of waking state, do you actually claim that the reality you saw around you while hung over was the *same* reality that you see after a nice, shiny meditation? (Assuming that you *have* nice, shiny, meditations, that is.) Similarly, when you've been up for 36 hours working on some deadline, and are so tired that you can barely keep your eyes open, do you honestly believe that your perceptions of the world around you are the *same* as having just arisen from a good night's sleep? (Well, in your case they might be, but I don't think most people would say that they are.) Hangovers and tiredness both involve states of mind, not states of consciousness. After meditation, however, may well involve a different state of consciousness, for a while at least. Knowledge (and the perception of reality) are NOT just different in Maharishi's dumbed-down seven states of consciousness. They're different in *all* of the ten thousand states of mind. Different orders of difference. Most humans, as far as I can tell, Which is not *nearly* far enough to justify the claim that follows (a side point, but worth noting in passing): only experience about twenty or thirty of the different states of mind available to them *within* the waking state. They bounce back and forth between the same old same old to more same old same old, never venturing past the familiar. But once you've bounced a little further on the spectrum, and have experienced a few states of mind *within* the waking state that are as different from the same old same old and from one another as CC is from GC or UC, you don't tend to believe that MMY's 7 SOCs is anywhere near accurate. False dichotomy. MMY's 7 states of consciousness represent more or less arbitrary points on a spectrum; most of us figured that out quite some time ago. And virtually everyone in the world knows there are many different states of mind within the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Yogis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: I absolutely agree with this last bit. I also think you are taking what I said to an absurd degree. What I have said is analogous to the fact that the electrification of the US wouldn't have occurred were it not for Edison. You probably don't see it that way. OK by me. However to imply that I am denigrating those who followed in Maharishi's footsteps, like the Vanity Fair yoga photographer, is not at all what I am talking about, or that anyone who has ever accomplished anything spiritually including any of us here, hasn't done so entirely on their own merits, through their own choice, and through their own efforts. However, someone had to revitalize the spiritual momentum of the world. The religions weren't doing it. The fact that it is Maharishi and Guru Dev doesn't matter much. It could have been anyone else. Reality check: Its just that it wasn't, though Yogananda did a great job of softening up the soil in the West so to speak. And last, this implication that Maharishi and Guru Dev did this and therefore it reflects on me somehow is just plain nonsensical. I hope that clarifies to you what I have said originally. In a nutshell I said what I said without any further implications or conclusions to be drawn. A settled mind. It is what it is, and no more. :-) According to you MMY is perfect and revitalized the spiritual momentum of the world. Do tell, oh settled mind, where is your proof of this? Maharishi created the necessary human conditions for Maitreya to again grace this world together with the Masters of Wisdom. Proof enough for me. Heaven will walk on earth... in this generation. Maharishi
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Yogis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jim_flanegin Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 12:19 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Yogis According to you MMY is perfect and revitalized the spiritual momentum of the world. Do tell, oh settled mind, where is your proof of this? Maharishi *and* Guru Dev. Do you have any proof that they haven't?:- ) You guys are speaking in absolutes. He made a major contribution. Others have also. Still others are and will. God is not a one-trick pony. No one person is solely responsible for the world's salvation or demise. Agreed ! We are all responsible for the world, though some greatly evolved souls have made it more easy for the rest of us to contribute. By the way; how many different people visit FFL in a day, any idea ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: PREPARE FOR GLOBAL COOLING!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 25, 2007, at 9:47 AM, authfriend wrote: snip I do find it amusing that the person who is first in line to bust people here for being contradictory and to claim that makes them unbelievable as sources of information seems to hold as her favorite Maharishi quote him contradicting himself big-time. :-) Not my favorite Maharishi quote. What is your favorite Maharishi quote Judy? Don't have one.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Please help me find a good astrologer
You should consult with Dr. Brendan Feeley who practices in the Washington DC area. You can google his name to find his website and email. He is primarily a vedic (jyotish) astrologer who also knows western astrology techniques. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need a good astrologer, either Western or Jyotish. Someone who is skilled at looking at two charts and seeing how the two people concerned fit together. Does anyone have any suggestions? Eleven years ago I had an excellent reading from a guy called Colin Maxwell. Anyone know him or where I could contact him? Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Yogis
On Jun 25, 2007, at 1:46 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: Maharishi created the necessary human conditions for Maitreya to again grace this world together with the Masters of Wisdom. Proof enough for me. Heaven will walk on earth... in this generation. Maharishi And more Space Aliens are immigrating here illegally too. I believe I've also noticed an increase in black helicopter sightings. Jai Guru Dev
[FairfieldLife] Re: PREPARE FOR GLOBAL COOLING!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Do you honestly believe that the waking state is only one state of consciousness, and thus that knowledge is different in different states of consciousness doesn't apply to it? Obviously, it depends on how you define states of consciousness. For instance, knowledge is different in different states of consciousness does not apply to claiming I'm the person who always starts it one day and then only a week later making several posts attacking me, entirely unprovoked. I'll be interested to hear your answer, because I don't. I see the waking state more from a Buddhist POV these days, and thus as having ten thousand states of mind, States of mind are not the same as states of consciousness. all of them different, all of them *as* different from one another in terms of how the world appears when viewed from that state of mind as Maharishi's CC is from his Waking State or GC or UC. No, states of mind aren't different from each other the same way CC/GC/UC is from waking state. Category error. Ok. 'Nuff said. That explains a great deal. The rest was just the same old, same old.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Yogis
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 12:55 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Yogis By the way; how many different people visit FFL in a day, any idea ? I don’t know, and AFAIK, Yahoo doesn’t provide statistics. I recently deleted all the memberships whose emails were bouncing, which brought the membership under 1,000. I’m sure only a minority of them ready it regularly, but I know people who read FFL regularly who’ve never joined. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.7/868 - Release Date: 6/25/2007 12:20 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: PREPARE FOR GLOBAL COOLING!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Do you honestly believe that the waking state is only one state of consciousness, and thus that knowledge is different in different states of consciousness doesn't apply to it? Obviously, it depends on how you define states of consciousness. For instance, knowledge is different in different states of consciousness does not apply to claiming I'm the person who always starts it one day and then only a week later making several posts attacking me, entirely unprovoked. I'll be interested to hear your answer, because I don't. I see the waking state more from a Buddhist POV these days, and thus as having ten thousand states of mind, States of mind are not the same as states of consciousness. all of them different, all of them *as* different from one another in terms of how the world appears when viewed from that state of mind as Maharishi's CC is from his Waking State or GC or UC. No, states of mind aren't different from each other the same way CC/GC/UC is from waking state. Category error. Ok. 'Nuff said. That explains a great deal. Good. I'm glad you now recognize the error you've been making. Apparently what you've been thinking of as different states of consciousness were really only *different states of mind*. Once you begin to experience different states of consciousness, the distinction will be very clear.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: PREPARE FOR GLOBAL COOLING!
Jesus ChristLike two kids in the back seat on a long, hot car ride. If I was your father I'd slap the shit out of both of you and tie you to the roof for a couple of hundred miles. Perhaps that'd knock some sense into your personality disordered asses. Have a good day ;-) --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ignoring the slam, focusing on the only interesting thing Judy said: Nah, let's first just restore your slam at *me* and expose its disingenuity again--you know, the part you're so eager for folks to forget about: snip I do find it amusing that the person who is first in line to bust people here for being contradictory and to claim that makes them unbelievable as sources of information seems to hold as her favorite Maharishi quote him contradicting himself big-time. :-) Not my favorite Maharishi quote. As Barry knows, I've never had any problem with knowledge is different in different states of consciousness-type contradictions. As Barry also knows, what I bust him for are his waking-state contradictions (the ones he attempts to justify by claiming he changes constantly from one small self to another, or by invoking the knowledge is different premise as if his waking- state contradictions fell into that category). Perhaps he'll try one of those dodges to explain why he delivered a long rant last week claiming that I'm always the one who starts it, then proceeded to attack me three or four times as soon as he was sure I wouldn't be back until the next week. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: As Barry also knows, what I bust him for are his waking-state contradictions (the ones he attempts to justify by claiming he changes constantly from one small self to another, or by invoking the knowledge is different premise as if his waking- state contradictions fell into that category). Do you honestly believe that the waking state is only one state of consciousness, and thus that knowledge is different in different states of consciousness doesn't apply to it? Obviously, it depends on how you define states of consciousness. For instance, knowledge is different in different states of consciousness does not apply to claiming I'm the person who always starts it one day and then only a week later making several posts attacking me, entirely unprovoked. I'll be interested to hear your answer, because I don't. I see the waking state more from a Buddhist POV these days, and thus as having ten thousand states of mind, States of mind are not the same as states of consciousness. all of them different, all of them *as* different from one another in terms of how the world appears when viewed from that state of mind as Maharishi's CC is from his Waking State or GC or UC. No, states of mind aren't different from each other the same way CC/GC/UC is from waking state. Category error. Think back, Jude. I know you were young once, and possibly...uh...overindulged in the evils of alcohol. It's even remotely possible that once or twice in your life you woke up with a screamin' hangover, the kind that first makes you think you're gonna die, and after a few minutes makes you worry that maybe you won't. Nah, never had anything like that bad a hangover. In such a state of waking state, do you actually claim that the reality you saw around you while hung over was the *same* reality that you see after a nice, shiny meditation? (Assuming that you *have* nice, shiny, meditations, that is.) Similarly, when you've been up for 36 hours working on some deadline, and are so tired that you can barely keep your eyes open, do you honestly believe that your perceptions of the world around you are the *same* as having just arisen from a good night's sleep? (Well, in your case they might be, but I don't think most people would say that they are.) Hangovers and tiredness both involve states of mind, not states of consciousness. After meditation, however, may well involve a different state of consciousness, for a while at least. Knowledge (and the perception of reality) are NOT just different in Maharishi's dumbed-down seven states of consciousness. They're different in *all* of the ten thousand states of mind. Different orders of difference. Most humans, as far as I can tell, Which is not *nearly* far enough to justify the claim that follows (a side point, but worth noting in passing): only experience about twenty or thirty of the different states of mind available to them *within* the waking state. They bounce back and forth between the same old same old to more same old same old, never venturing past the familiar. But once you've bounced a little further on the spectrum, and have
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Please help me find a good astrologer
In a message dated 6/25/2007 1:57:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Go to _Astrological Varieties_ (http://www.yogavisionaries.com/) . Lou Valentino uses both Western and Vedic for his clients. You should consult with Dr. Brendan Feeley who practices in the Washington DC area. You can google his name to find his website and email. He is primarily a vedic (jyotish) astrologer who also knows western astrology techniques. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) , feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need a good astrologer, either Western or Jyotish. Someone who is skilled at looking at two charts and seeing how the two people concerned fit together. Does anyone have any suggestions? Eleven years ago I had an excellent reading from a guy called Colin Maxwell. Anyone know him or where I could contact him? Thanks in advance for any suggestions. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Please help me find a good astrologer
In a message dated 6/25/07 11:49:38 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: need a good astrologer, either Western or Jyotish. Someone who is skilled at looking at two charts and seeing how the two people concerned fit together. Does anyone have any suggestions? Eleven years ago I had an excellent reading from a guy called Colin Maxwell. Anyone know him or where I could contact him? Thanks in advance for any suggestions. Best advice save your money. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
[FairfieldLife] Re: PREPARE FOR GLOBAL COOLING!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jesus ChristLike two kids in the back seat on a long, hot car ride. If I was your father I'd slap the shit out of both of you and tie you to the roof for a couple of hundred miles. Perhaps that'd knock some sense into your personality disordered asses. Have a good day ;-) Wonder why you didn't chide Barry when he made his initial, entirely unprovoked slam on me, Peter; and why you always deliver your scoldings in response to one of my posts rather than one of his, when he's the one who almost always initiates the fights. (In one case your scolding was accidentally posted in response to one of Barry's posts, but that was only because you were quoting a post of Willytex's in which he had misattributed the first paragraph to me.) As I've said before, you appear to live in an ethical vacuum, speaking of personality disorders. I pity the poor patients who actually pay you to help them get their heads on straight.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Yogis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jim_flanegin Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 12:19 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Yogis According to you MMY is perfect and revitalized the spiritual momentum of the world. Do tell, oh settled mind, where is your proof of this? Maharishi *and* Guru Dev. Do you have any proof that they haven't?:-) You guys are speaking in absolutes. He made a major contribution. Others have also. Still others are and will. God is not a one-trick pony. No one person is solely responsible for the world's salvation or demise. Agreed- perhaps a good analogy would be the person who lifts the lid off a boiling pan of water on the stove. The steam escapes on its own, but it still took that one person to lift the lid.:-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Please help me find a good astrologer
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/25/07 11:49:38 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: need a good astrologer, either Western or Jyotish. Someone who is skilled at looking at two charts and seeing how the two people concerned fit together. Does anyone have any suggestions? Eleven years ago I had an excellent reading from a guy called Colin Maxwell. Anyone know him or where I could contact him? Thanks in advance for any suggestions. Best advice save your money. I remember talking to a TM Teacher or Governor when all the jyotish stuff got going in the late 80's, and she said she had a reading done by some highly professed vedic astrologer and was supposed to be married by then, but wasn't. Couldn't figure out why not. After all it was in the stars! I agree with Dixon and Sal here- go with your gut.:-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Yogis
Geezer, This is one of the most dubious of the grandiose claims made by MMY. I would have thought that by now his I am number one bravado would have soured a bit for the adults in the movement. It was more understandable when we were all very young. It implies a lot of knowledge about other spiritual movements and the states of consciousness they are achieving that would be impossible. For all we know any one of the many spiritual movements around the world could be popping out people in UC like a Chinese sweatshop filling a Wallmart order. This kind of spiritual oneupmanship certainly isn't restricted to MMY's tiny group. Think of the spiritual arrogance at the basis of huge factions of Christianity believing that they alone will go to heaven while people believing a slightly different version of the same myth will suffer in hell for their lack of growing up in the right version. But they all fall in the category of pretending to know things that you couldn't possibly know. It is a self inflation of value relegating poor Yogananda to fluffer status in this spiritual regeneration skin flick. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: One gets the credit for accomplishments by actually accomplishing something, not by claiming that your teacher did. I absolutely agree with this last bit. I also think you are taking what I said to an absurd degree. What I have said is analogous to the fact that the electrification of the US wouldn't have occurred were it not for Edison. You probably don't see it that way. OK by me. However to imply that I am denigrating those who followed in Maharishi's footsteps, like the Vanity Fair yoga photographer, is not at all what I am talking about, or that anyone who has ever accomplished anything spiritually including any of us here, hasn't done so entirely on their own merits, through their own choice, and through their own efforts. However, someone had to revitalize the spiritual momentum of the world. The religions weren't doing it. The fact that it is Maharishi and Guru Dev doesn't matter much. It could have been anyone else. Reality check: Its just that it wasn't, though Yogananda did a great job of softening up the soil in the West so to speak. And last, this implication that Maharishi and Guru Dev did this and therefore it reflects on me somehow is just plain nonsensical. I hope that clarifies to you what I have said originally. In a nutshell I said what I said without any further implications or conclusions to be drawn. A settled mind. It is what it is, and no more. :-) According to you MMY is perfect and revitalized the spiritual momentum of the world. Do tell, oh settled mind, where is your proof of this?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Please help me find a good astrologer
Thanks very much to all those who took the trouble to pass on information. I appreciate it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need a good astrologer, either Western or Jyotish. Someone who is skilled at looking at two charts and seeing how the two people concerned fit together. Does anyone have any suggestions? Eleven years ago I had an excellent reading from a guy called Colin Maxwell. Anyone know him or where I could contact him? Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Yogis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 25, 2007, at 1:46 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: Maharishi created the necessary human conditions for Maitreya to again grace this world together with the Masters of Wisdom. Proof enough for me. Heaven will walk on earth... in this generation. Maharishi And more Space Aliens are immigrating here illegally too. Our Space Brothers have no need to immigrate here whatsoever :-) I believe I've also noticed an increase in black helicopter sightings. Get a checking Jai Guru Dev Our Space Brothers have no need to immigrate here :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Please help me find a good astrologer
jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/25/07 11:49:38 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: need a good astrologer, either Western or Jyotish. Someone who is skilled at looking at two charts and seeing how the two people concerned fit together. Does anyone have any suggestions? Eleven years ago I had an excellent reading from a guy called Colin Maxwell. Anyone know him or where I could contact him? Thanks in advance for any suggestions. Best advice save your money. I remember talking to a TM Teacher or Governor when all the jyotish stuff got going in the late 80's, and she said she had a reading done by some highly professed vedic astrologer and was supposed to be married by then, but wasn't. Couldn't figure out why not. After all it was in the stars! I agree with Dixon and Sal here- go with your gut.:-) Some astrologers miss the fact that the chart does not support marriage or even relationships to begin with. For instance someone could do these chart for synastry and see they are compatible but miss the fact one or both do not have karma for relationships. The astrologer in this case may have only looked at the planetary period and made note it would be good for marriage though the person may not have such karma.
[FairfieldLife] Re: PREPARE FOR GLOBAL COOLING!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Do you honestly believe that the waking state is only one state of consciousness, and thus that knowledge is different in different states of consciousness doesn't apply to it? Obviously, it depends on how you define states of consciousness. For instance, knowledge is different in different states of consciousness does not apply to claiming I'm the person who always starts it one day and then only a week later making several posts attacking me, entirely unprovoked. I'll be interested to hear your answer, because I don't. I see the waking state more from a Buddhist POV these days, and thus as having ten thousand states of mind, States of mind are not the same as states of consciousness. all of them different, all of them *as* different from one another in terms of how the world appears when viewed from that state of mind as Maharishi's CC is from his Waking State or GC or UC. No, states of mind aren't different from each other the same way CC/GC/UC is from waking state. Category error. Ok. 'Nuff said. That explains a great deal. Good. I'm glad you now recognize the error you've been making. Apparently what you've been thinking of as different states of consciousness were really only *different states of mind*. Not at all. It explains that you have never experienced drastic changes of your state of attention within the waking state. That explains much about you, and helps me to feel compassion for you. Once you begin to experience different states of consciousness, the distinction will be very clear. Ditto with the various states of attention. Since you clearly have managed to stay in no more than a dozen of them for your entire life, I don't expect that to change at this point. Better luck in your next life.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Yogis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geezer, This is one of the most dubious of the grandiose claims made by MMY. I would have thought that by now his I am number one bravado would have soured a bit for the adults in the movement. It was more understandable when we were all very young. It implies a lot of knowledge about other spiritual movements and the states of consciousness they are achieving that would be impossible. For all we know any one of the many spiritual movements around the world could be popping out people in UC like a Chinese sweatshop filling a Wallmart order. This kind of spiritual oneupmanship certainly isn't restricted to MMY's tiny group. Think of the spiritual arrogance at the basis of huge factions of Christianity believing that they alone will go to heaven while people believing a slightly different version of the same myth will suffer in hell for their lack of growing up in the right version. But they all fall in the category of pretending to know things that you couldn't possibly know. It is a self inflation of value relegating poor Yogananda to fluffer status in this spiritual regeneration skin flick. Not to mention relegating those who believe it to the level of a guy sitting in a porn theater jacking off to a porn movie, when it would have been so much easier just to get laid.
[FairfieldLife] Resolution sought for hog lot wars in VC
today's Fairfield Ledger: By: Lacey Jacobs, Ledger staff writer06/25/2007 MAHARISHI VEDIC CITY - The fate of the Palm farm remains undetermined following a public hearing Sunday afternoon. The Maharishi Vedic City City Council voted to table any action on the matter until further notice is given. Acting on the recommendation of Jefferson County Supervisor Dick Reed, councilman Chris Johnson moved to table the issue while encouraging the city, the Palms and the county supervisors to work together toward a satisfactory outcome for all involved parties. It's our intention in one way or another to come to a positive agreement, Johnson said. Roughly 300 people attended the public hearing and council meeting on the proposed public improvement, which would require the acquisition of approximately 149 acres of the Palms' neighboring land, possibly through condemnation, for use as a park. Mayor Bob Wynne said all of the land currently in the city is scheduled for development, and in discussing options for a park, it came to the city's attention that the Palms were interested in selling. It was our understanding from the beginning that they had an interest in selling. When Chris Johnson and Kent Boyum met with them it was just that the difference between the appraised value, which was $2,675, and what the Palms were wanting, which was six times that much, was too big a difference, city attorney Maureen Wynne said. However, Ron Palm, who owns the farm with his brothers Robert and Lewis, said his family had a different perception of the meeting with Johnson and Boyum, and they had not made an offer to sell. [The land] always has been in the plan for the city and prior to the city for the Maharishi Center for Perfect Health and World Peace development. And going back to 1991 when we were doing the land assembly, we did negotiate with the owners of the property and had come to an agreement, Johnson said. The original land assembler, which we represented, decided not to go forward at that time with this particular property and a number of others because they were for park area, for development of utilities, which wasn't the main thrust of the city at that particular time. So it's not a new concept to move forward with this, it's just an issue of timing. According to Bob Wynne, the possible establishment of a hog confinement on the Palms' property was a stimulus for the city's actions. What precipitated this in a way was the comment that you were going to do a 4,800 hog confinement next to the city, he said. Several people in the city were concerned about the proximity, triggering the city to begin looking at its options, he explained. I think that if the Palms had either continued their family farm the way that they've been operating it ... continued to operate it as corn and beans and stuff like that, it wouldn't have come up maybe for generations, Maureen Wynne said. The reality of the situation is we also have some concerns, councilman David Lonsdorf said after listening to the outcry from the public. Millions of dollars have been spent to develop the community, and the problems associated with a hog confinement, such as smell, pose a threat to the community and businesses, he said. We're concerned that the quality of our health will be impinged upon, the quality of our life will be impinged upon and really I don't want to wake up and go to sleep at night with a powerful hog smell coming into my room, Lonsdorf said. More than 25 people spoke during the hearing, almost all of whom opposed the possible use of eminent domain. Several of the speakers, including Ron Palm, implored the city to pursue land within its boundaries for use as a park. Often if public parks are something you really believe in, you donate the land, said Jill Watson of Fairfield. Speaking on behalf of the Jefferson County Farm Bureau, Jeremy Atwood said, We do thank the city council for allowing us to provide public comment on this important issue, but urge you to stop pursuing the acquisition of farm land where there isn't a willing seller. Iowa law determines how and when a government can take private property. We understand that a government taking a private property by eminent domain is sometimes justified and necessary for a public purpose; however, taking agriculture land outside of your city limits for a park in this instance is not justified, legal or necessary, he continued. The Palms have a right to continue to farm their land, and those who farm around Vedic City should not have to look over their shoulder and wonder if they are next. For the complete article, see the Monday, June 25, 2007, Fairfield Ledger.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Yogis
Curtis wrote: For all we know any one of the many spiritual movements around the world could be popping out people in UC like a Chinese sweatshop filling a Wallmart order. Maybe so, Curtis, but can you cite any other spiritual movements or teachers that can teach a person how to effortlessly transcend? I'd be interested in knowing more about their techniques if you know of any.
[FairfieldLife] Re: PREPARE FOR GLOBAL COOLING!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip No, states of mind aren't different from each other the same way CC/GC/UC is from waking state. Category error. Ok. 'Nuff said. That explains a great deal. Good. I'm glad you now recognize the error you've been making. Apparently what you've been thinking of as different states of consciousness were really only *different states of mind*. Not at all. It explains that you have never experienced drastic changes of your state of attention within the waking state. That explains much about you, and helps me to feel compassion for you. LOL!! Once you begin to experience different states of consciousness, the distinction will be very clear. Ditto with the various states of attention. Since you clearly have managed to stay in no more than a dozen of them for your entire life, I don't expect that to change at this point. Better luck in your next life. Barry Wright, Master of Inadvertent Irony.
[FairfieldLife] The 3 Fields of Life - His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, 21 June 2007
The 3 Fields of Life: Celebration of the Achievements of Dr. John Hagelin A Talk By His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi 21 June 2007 In the Global Family Chat on 9 June 2007, on the occasion of celebrating the achievements of Dr. John Hagelin, Minister of Science and Technology of the Global Country of World Peace, Maharishi said that having heard Dr. John Hagelin's perception of reality, it was a very great satisfaction to hear the proposal from the President of Maharishi University of Management (MUM) to have this day celebrated year after year into the countless future [with the new Tower of Invincibility that will be built at MUM]. Maharishi continued: [Comments in brackets are additions by the editors] This day is being celebrated by the collective consciousness of so many thou- sand students of Dr. Hagelin who have been engaged in the scientific research on the surface of life in the gross, and internally in the depths of their own self-referral consciousness. In this they have generated this day, the value of which we have heard beautifully described by Dr. Hagelin. All the field of the smriti (memory), [is] the memory of the unified field. Within the unified field - the endless depth of absolute silence deep within the ocean - is the silence, and this silence has a memory. This silence is its self-referral state and the whole memory of what the self-referral is. Complete self-referral is fully awake in two kinds of memory: memory of the deepest level of the ocean - infinite silence - along with the memory of the surface values of the waves of the ocean. So waves of the ocean on the surface [come] from the ocean silence and memory. This 'waves of memory' is the connecting link between great, endless surface activity and great silence. Infinite activity on one level, infinitely silent on the other level - and both connected with the memory. And this memory is what? Memory is [made] lively by the devata. There is a word in the vedic literature, the devata. What is there in the self-referral state? Everyone knows, and I have repeated a thousand times - I'll just remind you - 'Richo akshare', the 'Ak', the collapse of infinity, 'A', into 'Ka'. And what is the big collapse? What is collapsing? Infinity into a point. So this is what we say - memory, memory. This is Smriti, and wherever there is a movement (collapse means movement) from one to the other, from one to the other, that contrasts with the silence. Silence is steady. 'Move' is silence losing its absolute nature and gaining its relative nature. So this move of the silence, how it happens? The Rk Veda says 'yasmin deva adhi vishwe nisheduh'. 'Richo akshare parame vyoman'. The richas are in the collapse in the transcendental. And what is there? 'Yasmin deva adhi vishwe nisheduh'. 'Deva adhi vishwe': [it is] the devatas that uphold the adminis-tration of the universe; [it is] the devatas that bring about multiplication of the unity. These devatas reside in the transcendental, self-referral field. So here is a whisper of vedic science to physical science. What is the whis- per? The whisper is that there is a connected link from complete self-refer- ral to object-referral, and this is the administration of the universe, and this is the veda. 'Richo akshare parame vyoman, yasmin deva adhi vishwe nisheduh'. The devatas are in the structuring dynamics of veda. What [are the] devata there? Devata are - I give a word and that word I am mentioning, Dr. Hagelin has taught to his students - they are able to produce the effect of national administration rising more and more in its successful value. Successful value of administration [means] everyone is happy, no one is in any way difficult to each other; no one in conflict, no negativity; all health, wealth, wisdom everywhere. This is the administration of the devata value. In this we have three values: [1] transcendental self-referral value, [2] the devata value, and [3] the physical transformations of devata. Dr. Hagelin has been explaining to the students in terms of the physiology of the brain. All the research of our Maharaja Raam-ji, who said Physiology [3] is the expres- sion of consciousness [1?], of intelligence [1?], and this intelligence is awake [2]. This is active in terms of devata, in the company of intelligence. So there is self-referral; now we call it Brahm [1]. Now we are seeing how many levels [there are]. One level is Brahm, Brahm [1]; the other level is Devata [2]; the third level is the physical universe [3]. So these three levels of reality - transcendental, self-referral consciousness, the field at the basis of the physical creation [1]; being at the basis of physical crea- tion [3], it is that which creates sensory perception, sensory levels of real- ity - the five senses [2]. So there is a distinction. The distinction will also be on another level, which is intellect. Now intel- lect has its value in five bifurcations of the one Total
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: why not relinquish TM?
On Jun 25, 2007, at 9:27 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Bhairitu wrote: There are plenty of yogis who can teach people how to teach yogic meditation some of which may work a lot better or safer. So, how many yogis can teach a person how to transcend? From my experience, and I've studied with several, not a single one had any idea of how to effortlessly go beyond the thinkng process, by transcending, like we regularly do using the TM technique. Here's a partial list: Suzuki Roshi Chogyam Trungpa Tarthang Tulku Swami Rama Swami Prakashanand Saraswati Yogi Bhaja LOL, well what can I say. I know the states some of these gurus imparted in their student, and it was miles beyond anything I ever heard of in TMers! This speaks more to YOU then it does to THEM. As a case and point, when I was once staying at Swami Rama's ashram, he induced a samadhi in a student just casually one day in the cafeteria. The guy locked into his asana and stayed that way for days! They actually had a special light and temperature controlled room for when this happened.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: PREPARE FOR GLOBAL COOLING!
On Jun 25, 2007, at 2:35 PM, Peter wrote: Jesus ChristLike two kids in the back seat on a long, hot car ride. If I was your father I'd slap the shit out of both of you and tie you to the roof for a couple of hundred miles. Perhaps that'd knock some sense into your personality disordered asses. Have a good day ;-) Judeee...did you take your Luvox before we left the house? :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: why not relinquish TM?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 25, 2007, at 9:27 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Bhairitu wrote: There are plenty of yogis who can teach people how to teach yogic meditation some of which may work a lot better or safer. So, how many yogis can teach a person how to transcend? From my experience, and I've studied with several, not a single one had any idea of how to effortlessly go beyond the thinkng process, by transcending, like we regularly do using the TM technique. Here's a partial list: Suzuki Roshi Chogyam Trungpa Tarthang Tulku Swami Rama Swami Prakashanand Saraswati Yogi Bhaja LOL, well what can I say. I know the states some of these gurus imparted in their student, and it was miles beyond anything I ever heard of in TMers! This speaks more to YOU then it does to THEM. As a case and point, when I was once staying at Swami Rama's ashram, he induced a samadhi in a student just casually one day in the cafeteria. The guy locked into his asana and stayed that way for days! They actually had a special light and temperature controlled room for when this happened. Give it up, guys. I know you mean well, but what you're doing is trying to explain the concept of gourmet food to someone who has been eating horse- meat tacos and frijoles so long that he has come to believe they *are* gourmet food.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Yogis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geezer, This is one of the most dubious of the grandiose claims made by MMY. I would have thought that by now his I am number one bravado would have soured a bit for the adults in the movement. It was more understandable when we were all very young. It implies a lot of knowledge about other spiritual movements and the states of consciousness they are achieving that would be impossible. For all we know any one of the many spiritual movements around the world could be popping out people in UC like a Chinese sweatshop filling a Wallmart order. This kind of spiritual oneupmanship certainly isn't restricted to MMY's tiny group. Think of the spiritual arrogance at the basis of huge factions of Christianity believing that they alone will go to heaven while people believing a slightly different version of the same myth will suffer in hell for their lack of growing up in the right version. But they all fall in the category of pretending to know things that you couldn't possibly know. It is a self inflation of value relegating poor Yogananda to fluffer status in this spiritual regeneration skin flick. So, you are saying that I have at least a 50 percent chance of being completely correct? And you have an equally 50% chance of being completely wrong, right? And where did you get this notion that what I said is anything remotely like the TM folks go to heaven and the rest go to hell? That implied exclusivity is something Turq brought up also. I don't get it. I have never implied or assumed anything like that. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Yogis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Geezer, This is one of the most dubious of the grandiose claims made by MMY. I would have thought that by now his I am number one bravado would have soured a bit for the adults in the movement. It was more understandable when we were all very young. It implies a lot of knowledge about other spiritual movements and the states of consciousness they are achieving that would be impossible. For all we know any one of the many spiritual movements around the world could be popping out people in UC like a Chinese sweatshop filling a Wallmart order. This kind of spiritual oneupmanship certainly isn't restricted to MMY's tiny group. Think of the spiritual arrogance at the basis of huge factions of Christianity believing that they alone will go to heaven while people believing a slightly different version of the same myth will suffer in hell for their lack of growing up in the right version. But they all fall in the category of pretending to know things that you couldn't possibly know. It is a self inflation of value relegating poor Yogananda to fluffer status in this spiritual regeneration skin flick. Not to mention relegating those who believe it to the level of a guy sitting in a porn theater jacking off to a porn movie, when it would have been so much easier just to get laid. I see that its been awhile, eh?;-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: why not relinquish TM?
TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 25, 2007, at 9:27 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Bhairitu wrote: There are plenty of yogis who can teach people how to teach yogic meditation some of which may work a lot better or safer. So, how many yogis can teach a person how to transcend? From my experience, and I've studied with several, not a single one had any idea of how to effortlessly go beyond the thinkng process, by transcending, like we regularly do using the TM technique. Here's a partial list: Suzuki Roshi Chogyam Trungpa Tarthang Tulku Swami Rama Swami Prakashanand Saraswati Yogi Bhaja LOL, well what can I say. I know the states some of these gurus imparted in their student, and it was miles beyond anything I ever heard of in TMers! This speaks more to YOU then it does to THEM. As a case and point, when I was once staying at Swami Rama's ashram, he induced a samadhi in a student just casually one day in the cafeteria. The guy locked into his asana and stayed that way for days! They actually had a special light and temperature controlled room for when this happened. Give it up, guys. I know you mean well, but what you're doing is trying to explain the concept of gourmet food to someone who has been eating horse- meat tacos and frijoles so long that he has come to believe they *are* gourmet food. And here I thought he ate prairie dog tacos! Richard makes a great punching bag some days but you're probably right you can't knock any sense into him. Most of everything in the meditation method of TM can be found in a book or two published by Swami Sivananda in the 1930s and that is just one example. The reason so many teachers give shaktipat as part of the meditation instruction is so the student can instantly transcend and it sets up the mind for transcending with practicing the mantra.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Yogis
My point is that you don't know if anyone else is effortlessly transcending or not, you can't know. So claims that TM is the best or that MMY is doing something unique for the spiritual welfare of the world are based on hubris and puffery. People from all different systems love their practices and sing their praises. People who gain altered states from self-hypnosis report benefits in their lives. Maybe all these practices are wonderful. Perhaps all the good people closing their eyes with their spiritual practice do the same thing or experience the same states. Maybe they are different states but have the same positive effect on the world. Maybe none of it has any effect on the world at all. But none has proven to be the best or most important for mankind. That is a self important fantasy promoted by the endlessly ambitious guy who wanted his brand to dominate in the market. He failed. Effortlessly transcending is a proprietary concept of MMY's system. No one knows if this is important or not. He created the distinction and then proclaimed it as important. Most of the people who started TM have dropped it. I know this because I ran a campaign in '85 to call the 10,000 meditators who had been initiated in the DC center. Very few had continued the practice. So perhaps the meditations using lots of effort are the ones to bet on for real results and people sticking to a long term practice. Who know? So if you dig TM, good for you, enjoy it. But any claim that TM is the toppermost of the poppermost is going to get the Raja raspberry from me. Altered states produced my meditations and hypnosis will always fascinate me. I'm glad so many people are putting in the time to see where it all leads. A little open mindedness between groups would probably speed our knowledge growth up a bit, but if I know hairless apes, that is not an option. Humans love to be part of a special group. Even if it is just a product of their own, or their teacher's, imagination. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curtis wrote: For all we know any one of the many spiritual movements around the world could be popping out people in UC like a Chinese sweatshop filling a Wallmart order. Maybe so, Curtis, but can you cite any other spiritual movements or teachers that can teach a person how to effortlessly transcend? I'd be interested in knowing more about their techniques if you know of any.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Please help me find a good astrologer
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of feste37 Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 11:43 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Please help me find a good astrologer I need a good astrologer, either Western or Jyotish. Someone who is skilled at looking at two charts and seeing how the two people concerned fit together. Does anyone have any suggestions? Eleven years ago I had an excellent reading from a guy called Colin Maxwell. Anyone know him or where I could contact him? Thanks in advance for any suggestions. The best one I've seen is a Canadian named Prasanan, who travels with Amma. He doesn't do long distance readings, so you would have to catch him somewhere on her tour: HYPERLINK http://amma.org/tours/amma-tours/n_america.htmlhttp://amma.org/tours/amma- tours/n_america.html. Blaine Watson (another Canadian) is also very good and does do long-distance readings: [EMAIL PROTECTED] If these 2 can't be reached, I could also suggest James Kelleher - out in California. I think he is a former TM teacher, but has a different path now. I have had very accurate readings from him
[FairfieldLife] Re: PREPARE FOR GLOBAL COOLING!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 25, 2007, at 2:35 PM, Peter wrote: Jesus ChristLike two kids in the back seat on a long, hot car ride. If I was your father I'd slap the shit out of both of you and tie you to the roof for a couple of hundred miles. Perhaps that'd knock some sense into your personality disordered asses. Have a good day ;-) Judeee...did you take your Luvox before we left the house? :-) Why are you asking me rather than Barry?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: why not relinquish TM?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: Give it up, guys. I know you mean well, but what you're doing is trying to explain the concept of gourmet food to someone who has been eating horse- meat tacos and frijoles so long that he has come to believe they *are* gourmet food. And here I thought he ate prairie dog tacos! Richard makes a great punching bag some days but you're probably right you can't knock any sense into him. I'm not talking about Richard per se. I'm talking about the impossibility of the task of trying to convey what you're talking about to someone who has never experienced it. Most of everything in the meditation method of TM can be found in a book or two published by Swami Sivananda in the 1930s and that is just one example. The reason so many teachers give shaktipat as part of the meditation instruction is so the student can instantly transcend and it sets up the mind for transcending with practicing the mantra. I can completely understand what you're talking about, because I've been there, done that. I've been in rooms where the teacher just zapped everyone into samadhi and then got up and left, and it was over an hour before anyone in the room could open their eyes and figure out that he *had* left. :-) But how do you explain that to someone who has never experienced it, and who, *in addition to* never having experienced it, has been indoctrin- ated for decades that the little they *are* experiencing is the highest path, and that all other spiritual paths are lesser than their own? It just doesn't compute for them. To even be able to *hear* what you're saying they'd have to get over their indoctrination enough to admit to themselves the possibility that what you're saying *might* be true. And let's face it...after thirty+ *years* of that indoc- trination, that just ain't gonna happen.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: PREPARE FOR GLOBAL COOLING!
On Jun 25, 2007, at 6:42 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 25, 2007, at 2:35 PM, Peter wrote: Jesus ChristLike two kids in the back seat on a long, hot car ride. If I was your father I'd slap the shit out of both of you and tie you to the roof for a couple of hundred miles. Perhaps that'd knock some sense into your personality disordered asses. Have a good day ;-) Judeee...did you take your Luvox before we left the house? :-) Why are you asking me rather than Barry? Honestly? Because I really did not believe he suffered from a personality disorder.
[FairfieldLife] Re: PREPARE FOR GLOBAL COOLING!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 25, 2007, at 6:42 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jun 25, 2007, at 2:35 PM, Peter wrote: Jesus ChristLike two kids in the back seat on a long, hot car ride. If I was your father I'd slap the shit out of both of you and tie you to the roof for a couple of hundred miles. Perhaps that'd knock some sense into your personality disordered asses. Have a good day ;-) Judeee...did you take your Luvox before we left the house? :-) Why are you asking me rather than Barry? Honestly? Because I really did not believe he suffered from a personality disorder. And you do? Ba-dum-Pah! :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: why not relinquish TM?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: Give it up, guys. I know you mean well, but what you're doing is trying to explain the concept of gourmet food to someone who has been eating horse- meat tacos and frijoles so long that he has come to believe they *are* gourmet food. And here I thought he ate prairie dog tacos! Richard makes a great punching bag some days but you're probably right you can't knock any sense into him. I'm not talking about Richard per se. I'm talking about the impossibility of the task of trying to convey what you're talking about to someone who has never experienced it. Most of everything in the meditation method of TM can be found in a book or two published by Swami Sivananda in the 1930s and that is just one example. The reason so many teachers give shaktipat as part of the meditation instruction is so the student can instantly transcend and it sets up the mind for transcending with practicing the mantra. I can completely understand what you're talking about, because I've been there, done that. I've been in rooms where the teacher just zapped everyone into samadhi and then got up and left, and it was over an hour before anyone in the room could open their eyes and figure out that he *had* left. :-) But how do you explain that to someone who has never experienced it, and who, *in addition to* never having experienced it, has been indoctrin- ated for decades that the little they *are* experiencing is the highest path, and that all other spiritual paths are lesser than their own? It just doesn't compute for them. To even be able to *hear* what you're saying they'd have to get over their indoctrination enough to admit to themselves the possibility that what you're saying *might* be true. And let's face it...after thirty+ *years* of that indoc- trination, that just ain't gonna happen. It's probably just as difficult for those who are convinced being zapped into samadhi by a teacher (especially if they then get locked into their asana and have to be put in a special room for days) is the spiritual cat's meow to admit to themselves the possibility that this may not actually be the most advantangeous approach to enlightenment.
[FairfieldLife] Re: PREPARE FOR GLOBAL COOLING!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 25, 2007, at 6:42 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jun 25, 2007, at 2:35 PM, Peter wrote: Jesus ChristLike two kids in the back seat on a long, hot car ride. If I was your father I'd slap the shit out of both of you and tie you to the roof for a couple of hundred miles. Perhaps that'd knock some sense into your personality disordered asses. Have a good day ;-) Judeee...did you take your Luvox before we left the house? :-) Why are you asking me rather than Barry? Honestly? Yes, as you know, Vaj, I have the deepest trust in your personal integrity. Because I really did not believe he suffered from a personality disorder. Hmm. Even though last week he swore up and down that I was the one who always started it, and then this week attacked me several times without any provocation? Interesting belief system you have there, Vaj.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: PREPARE FOR GLOBAL COOLING!
On Jun 25, 2007, at 7:03 PM, authfriend wrote: Honestly? Yes, as you know, Vaj, I have the deepest trust in your personal integrity. As you know Judy, I have the deepest regard for your opinions and integrity.
[FairfieldLife] Re: YouTube - We Are Theo - Chapter 1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Movie by Geoff Boothby, who grew up on MUM campus. In 5 parts, starting with http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spfrLycH8tQ Very sweet, and so *innocent* for a student film these days. Nice to see. Are student films generally heavy? My son's last few have been. The most recent one is in French, for God's sake. www.jeremygillam.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: YouTube - We Are Theo - Chapter 1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Movie by Geoff Boothby, who grew up on MUM campus. In 5 parts, starting with http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spfrLycH8tQ Very sweet, and so *innocent* for a student film these days. Nice to see. Are student films generally heavy? In my experience, yes. It may have a lot to do with being of college age and in a college environment in which you can still get laid by looking depressed and oh so thoughtful. :-) My son's last few have been. The most recent one is in French, for God's sake. How appropriate. The French have organized an entire lifestyle around getting laid by looking depressed and oh so thoughtful. :-) www.jeremygillam.com I'll check 'em out. Thanks.
[FairfieldLife] Re: PREPARE FOR GLOBAL COOLING!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 25, 2007, at 7:03 PM, authfriend wrote: Honestly? Yes, as you know, Vaj, I have the deepest trust in your personal integrity. As you know Judy, I have the deepest regard for your opinions and integrity. I notice you failed to comment on what I pointed out about Barry: Because I really did not believe he suffered from a personality disorder. Hmm. Even though last week he swore up and down that I was the one who always started it, and then this week attacked me several times without any provocation? I guess this illustrates pretty clearly the difference between our respective definitions of integrity, huh?
[FairfieldLife] Re: YouTube - We Are Theo - Chapter 1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Movie by Geoff Boothby, who grew up on MUM campus. In 5 parts, starting with http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spfrLycH8tQ Very sweet, and so *innocent* for a student film these days. Nice to see. Are student films generally heavy? My son's last few have been. The most recent one is in French, for God's sake. www.jeremygillam.com Can't get it to play, and I have QuickTime 7...
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YouTube - We Are Theo - Chapter 1
On Jun 25, 2007, at 6:44 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote: Are student films generally heavy? My son's last few have been. The most recent one is in French, for God's sake. www.jeremygillam.com Nicely done, Patrick. And maybe I'm just missing something, but to me it looked like a lot of still shots, with music and dialogue in the background. Maybe it was supposed to be that way. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Yogis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: God is not a one-trick pony. That sounds reasonable and plausible. But unless God -- in a form all would acknowledge as such -- came to you and said this, and you could conclusively demonstrate that you were not hallucinating -- nor prone to delusions -- then, i suppose we could move this assertion one step beyond personal opinion. Untill then ... ;) No one person is solely responsible for the world's salvation or demise. See above. And do you know for a fact -- a fact that is demonstratively true for all observers -- that God did not actually give such a directive to one person?
[FairfieldLife] Re: YouTube - We Are Theo - Chapter 1
What an interesting, talented kid you have been raising! High five on all counts. He is working hard and making his dreams happen. I am impressed. You must be very happy. Excellent! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Movie by Geoff Boothby, who grew up on MUM campus. In 5 parts, starting with http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spfrLycH8tQ Very sweet, and so *innocent* for a student film these days. Nice to see. Are student films generally heavy? My son's last few have been. The most recent one is in French, for God's sake. www.jeremygillam.com
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[FairfieldLife] Re: PREPARE FOR GLOBAL COOLING!
Come on everyone (well the Some People everyone, as in BSJ, raise your right hand and repeat -- I seek to overcome the limitations of my limited individuality. I seek the palace, willing to give up my small hut. On that path, I will not unduly glorify and protect my limited individuality -- nor try in dispair to compare, or delusionaly try to demonstrate, how my limited little hut is far better than anyone elses. Even those huts falsley and pridefully belonging to goofballs and knuckleheads. Amen. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 25, 2007, at 7:03 PM, authfriend wrote: Honestly? Yes, as you know, Vaj, I have the deepest trust in your personal integrity. As you know Judy, I have the deepest regard for your opinions and integrity.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Yogis
Perhaps it has to do with misdirected sexual energy? If you had any evidence to support the claim I was challenging then you wouldn't need to make degrading personal comments. Casting aspersions on me personally doesn't help your cause, it just reveals your own limitations in a discussion of ideas. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (snip) This kind of spiritual oneupmanship certainly isn't restricted to MMY's tiny group. Think of the spiritual arrogance at the basis of huge factions of Christianity believing that they alone will go to heaven while people believing a slightly different version of the same myth will suffer in hell for their lack of growing up in the right version. But they all fall in the category of pretending to know things that you couldn't possibly know. It is a self inflation of value relegating poor Yogananda to fluffer status in this spiritual regeneration skin flick. So, you are saying that I have at least a 50 percent chance of being completely correct? And you have an equally 50% chance of being completely wrong, right? And where did you get this notion that what I said is anything remotely like the TM folks go to heaven and the rest go to hell? That implied exclusivity is something Turq brought up also. I don't get it. I have never implied or assumed anything like that. :-) Well, I guess you could declare that the -Ego~ made me do it. -Take a perfectly good explanation, and somehow polarize it. In a way, we are so used to polarization, these days. -Karl Rove, who guided the Bushes into the WH, is a master of this type of thing... -Perhaps it has to do with misdirected sexual energy? Who knows, but if you asked Sigmund??, you know what he would say... So, who knows?
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Yogis
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of new.morning Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 7:59 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Yogis --- In HYPERLINK mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: God is not a one-trick pony. That sounds reasonable and plausible. But unless God -- in a form all would acknowledge as such -- came to you and said this, and you could conclusively demonstrate that you were not hallucinating -- nor prone to delusions -- then, i suppose we could move this assertion one step beyond personal opinion. Untill then ... ;) No one person is solely responsible for the world's salvation or demise. See above. And do you know for a fact -- a fact that is demonstratively true for all observers -- that God did not actually give such a directive to one person? Well, a great many people in the world do believe God is a one-trick pony, and they delight in killing those who don’t see things as they do. If God did give such a directive to one person, what about all the people who lived and died before that person, or in cultures unable to communicate with his? What about all the other inhabited planets that undoubtedly sprinkle the universe? Is this person on tour, or is there one super guy appointed to each planet, who somehow takes care of everyone in the millions of years preceding and succeeding his lifetime? If those questions seem ludicrous, it should seem just as ludicrous that God should impose a “one super guy at a time” rule on any planet. Look at how God’s creativity proliferates all around us in every little thing. Why should not that same Divine Energy be capable of providing multiple opportunities to become more deeply aware of it? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.7/868 - Release Date: 6/25/2007 12:20 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Yogis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of new.morning Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 7:59 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Yogis --- In HYPERLINK mailto:FairfieldLife% 40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: God is not a one-trick pony. That sounds reasonable and plausible. But unless God -- in a form all would acknowledge as such -- came to you and said this, and you could conclusively demonstrate that you were not hallucinating -- nor prone to delusions -- then, i suppose we could move this assertion one step beyond personal opinion. Untill then ... ;) No one person is solely responsible for the world's salvation or demise. See above. And do you know for a fact -- a fact that is demonstratively true for all observers -- that God did not actually give such a directive to one person? Well, a great many people in the world do believe God is a one- trick pony, and they delight in killing those who don't see things as they do. If God did give such a directive to one person, what about all the people who lived and died before that person, or in cultures unable to communicate with his? What about all the other inhabited planets that undoubtedly sprinkle the universe? Is this person on tour, or is there one super guy appointed to each planet, who somehow takes care of everyone in the millions of years preceding and succeeding his lifetime? If those questions seem ludicrous, it should seem just as ludicrous that God should impose a one super guy at a time rule on any planet. Look at how God's creativity proliferates all around us in every little thing. Why should not that same Divine Energy be capable of providing multiple opportunities to become more deeply aware of it? You bring up a good point, Rick, the last one. However I am completely astonished that you would refer to others killing in the name of their perspective, that Turq thinks it is all an exercise in self aggrandizement and thought addiction, that Curtis instantly makes references to pornography when the idea is spoken about, that Vaj finds the opportunity to trash Maharishi every chance he gets, and all of this as a result of an opinion I expressed about Maharishi and Guru Dev being the catalysts for the spiritual regeneration of the world. I was careful to clarify that I didn't think that this put any of the rest of you down who didn't see it that way, that it was plainly the way I personally see it, and that the resulting spiritual efforts that others have made were accredited to those who produced them. What is up with each of you? I don't get it. You sound like a bunch of lunatics, with serious issues. And that's all I'm going to say.:- )
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Yogis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... I am not arguing for the propostion that God is a one trick pony, etc. I simply question the ability for anyone to definatively speak for God -- even if the proposition is most logical. Lots of people think they speak for God, and tell us definitively what Gods nature is and what God really means, I just ask them the same questiom I ask you: how do you really know? On what bais can you speak authoritatively about God -- unless, an until you can establish that God -- in a form all would acknowledge as such -- came to you and said this, and you could conclusively demonstrate that you were not hallucinating -- nor prone to delusions. Well, a great many people in the world do believe God is a one-trick pony, and they delight in killing those who don't see things as they do. If God did give such a directive to one person, what about all the people who lived and died before that person, or in cultures unable to communicate with his? These sort of questions certainly don't prove that God spoke to you. What about all the other inhabited planets that undoubtedly sprinkle the universe? Is this person on tour, or is there one super guy appointed to each planet, who somehow takes care of everyone in the millions of years preceding and succeeding his lifetime? Maybe God speaks to one in each generation. Maybe God spoke to one a long time ago, in the corporate board room and said do nothing. Maybe God is a 1000 foot tall catipillar and doesn't speak at all. Or maybe God does not exist. Or maybe God is a Deist, an created the universe and then withdrew to let world-kind to figure it out for themselves. I imagine you can't even disprove these possibilities, much less prove that God spoke to you and gave you the inside scoop. If on the other hand you are simply musing about God and offering up your own personal ponderings and possibly projections about what God is and means, then cool. Then, maybe my 1000 foot catipillar God can speak to your multi-pony God -- while the God of Abraham, the God of Moses, the God of Mohamad, the God of Christ, the God of Joseph Smith , the God of Vyassa, The God of Patanjali, The God of Confusus, all look on with arms crossed-- and looking on skeptically.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Yogis
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jim_flanegin Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 9:14 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Yogis You bring up a good point, Rick, the last one. However I am completely astonished that you would refer to others killing in the name of their perspective, I wasn’t referring to TM people, but to all the wars, suicide bombers, etc., that have killed so many to defend or impose a religious perspective. Ironic, because religion is essentially about infinite peace. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.7/868 - Release Date: 6/25/2007 12:20 PM
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Yogis
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of new.morning Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 9:43 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Yogis If on the other hand you are simply musing about God and offering up your own personal ponderings and possibly projections about what God is and means, then cool. That’s all I’m doing. Expressing what makes sense to me, but I don’t know anything for sure. Then, maybe my 1000 foot catipillar God can speak to your multi-pony God – Actually, my God is a giant crow and he’s going to eat your caterpillar god, leaving you godless. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.7/868 - Release Date: 6/25/2007 12:20 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Yogis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps it has to do with misdirected sexual energy? If you had any evidence to support the claim I was challenging then you wouldn't need to make degrading personal comments. Casting aspersions on me personally doesn't help your cause, it just reveals your own limitations in a discussion of ideas. I think he was referring to the fact that you grossly and insultingly misstated what Jim had said about MMY and Guru Dev, equating it with fundies claiming they alone will go to heaven while people believing a slightly different version of the same myth will suffer in hell. As Robert correctly noted, this is the type of deliberate, malicious distortion we see from people like Karl Rove; decent people are at a loss to find an explation for it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: (snip) This kind of spiritual oneupmanship certainly isn't restricted to MMY's tiny group. Think of the spiritual arrogance at the basis of huge factions of Christianity believing that they alone will go to heaven while people believing a slightly different version of the same myth will suffer in hell for their lack of growing up in the right version. But they all fall in the category of pretending to know things that you couldn't possibly know. It is a self inflation of value relegating poor Yogananda to fluffer status in this spiritual regeneration skin flick. So, you are saying that I have at least a 50 percent chance of being completely correct? And you have an equally 50% chance of being completely wrong, right? And where did you get this notion that what I said is anything remotely like the TM folks go to heaven and the rest go to hell? That implied exclusivity is something Turq brought up also. I don't get it. I have never implied or assumed anything like that. :-) Well, I guess you could declare that the -Ego~ made me do it. -Take a perfectly good explanation, and somehow polarize it. In a way, we are so used to polarization, these days. -Karl Rove, who guided the Bushes into the WH, is a master of this type of thing... -Perhaps it has to do with misdirected sexual energy? Who knows, but if you asked Sigmund??, you know what he would say... So, who knows?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Yogis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If on the other hand you are simply musing about God and offering up your own personal ponderings and possibly projections about what God is and means, then cool. That's all I'm doing. Expressing what makes sense to me, but I don't know anything for sure. Then, maybe my 1000 foot catipillar God can speak to your multi-pony God Actually, my God is a giant crow and he's going to eat your caterpillar god, leaving you godless. My God, then I would end up like Curtis! And/ but, whose going to eat (the) crow?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Yogis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Perhaps it has to do with misdirected sexual energy? If you had any evidence to support the claim I was challenging then you wouldn't need to make degrading personal comments. Casting aspersions on me personally doesn't help your cause, it just reveals your own limitations in a discussion of ideas. I think he was referring to the fact that you grossly and insultingly misstated what Jim had said about MMY and Guru Dev, equating it with fundies claiming they alone will go to heaven while people believing a slightly different version of the same myth will suffer in hell. As Robert correctly noted, this is the type of deliberate, malicious distortion we see from people like Karl Rove; decent people are at a loss to find an explation for it. But not expletives.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Yogis
I raised the point, partly, from the memory of speaking absolutely confidently, definitively, authoritatively about things like Chrst, drawing from my memorized (TMO) catechism, Christ never suffered, Christ's main message was that the kingdom of heaven is within. etc. It was SO logical, it HAD to be true. So I / we spoke it as if it was an established fact. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: ... I am not arguing for the propostion that God is a one trick pony, etc. I simply question the ability for anyone to definatively speak for God -- even if the proposition is most logical. Lots of people think they speak for God, and tell us definitively what Gods nature is and what God really means, I just ask them the same questiom I ask you: how do you really know? On what bais can you speak authoritatively about God -- unless, an until you can establish that God -- in a form all would acknowledge as such -- came to you and said this, and you could conclusively demonstrate that you were not hallucinating -- nor prone to delusions. Well, a great many people in the world do believe God is a one-trick pony, and they delight in killing those who don't see things as they do. If God did give such a directive to one person, what about all the people who lived and died before that person, or in cultures unable to communicate with his? These sort of questions certainly don't prove that God spoke to you. What about all the other inhabited planets that undoubtedly sprinkle the universe? Is this person on tour, or is there one super guy appointed to each planet, who somehow takes care of everyone in the millions of years preceding and succeeding his lifetime? Maybe God speaks to one in each generation. Maybe God spoke to one a long time ago, in the corporate board room and said do nothing. Maybe God is a 1000 foot tall catipillar and doesn't speak at all. Or maybe God does not exist. Or maybe God is a Deist, an created the universe and then withdrew to let world-kind to figure it out for themselves. I imagine you can't even disprove these possibilities, much less prove that God spoke to you and gave you the inside scoop. If on the other hand you are simply musing about God and offering up your own personal ponderings and possibly projections about what God is and means, then cool. Then, maybe my 1000 foot catipillar God can speak to your multi-pony God -- while the God of Abraham, the God of Moses, the God of Mohamad, the God of Christ, the God of Joseph Smith , the God of Vyassa, The God of Patanjali, The God of Confusus, all look on with arms crossed-- and looking on skeptically.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Yogis
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of new.morning Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 10:07 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Yogis Actually, my God is a giant crow and he's going to eat your caterpillar god, leaving you godless. My God, then I would end up like Curtis! And/ but, whose going to eat (the) crow? No one eats Kakbushundi, the divine crow: http://www.urday.com/rcon1.html No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.7/868 - Release Date: 6/25/2007 12:20 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: why not relinquish TM?
But how do you explain that to someone who has never experienced it, and who, *in addition to* never having experienced it, has been indoctrin- ated for decades that the little they *are* experiencing is the highest path, and that all other spiritual paths are lesser than their own? It just doesn't compute for them. To even be able to *hear* what you're saying they'd have to get over their indoctrination enough to admit to themselves the possibility that what you're saying *might* be true. And let's face it...after thirty+ *years* of that indoc- trination, that just ain't gonna happen. jstein wrote: It's probably just as difficult for those who are convinced being zapped into samadhi by a teacher (especially if they then get locked into their asana and have to be put in a special room for days) is the spiritual cat's meow to admit to themselves the possibility that this may not actually be the most advantangeous approach to enlightenment. Well, it does make one wonder why these guys spent most of their adult life in cult groups, if they got zapped into samadhi by a teacher. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: why not relinquish TM?
TurquoiseB wrote: I've been in rooms where the teacher just zapped everyone into samadhi and then got up and left, and it was over an hour before anyone in the room could open their eyes and figure out that he *had* left. :-) So, you got zapped by Fred the Zen Master. Was that before or after reading Fred's book Surfing the Himalayas? :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YouTube - We Are Theo - Chapter 1
Patrick Gillam wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Movie by Geoff Boothby, who grew up on MUM campus. In 5 parts, starting with http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spfrLycH8tQ Very sweet, and so *innocent* for a student film these days. Nice to see. Are student films generally heavy? My son's last few have been. The most recent one is in French, for God's sake. www.jeremygillam.com Nice piece! Played fine on Ubuntu with MPlayer. I will be watching for longer works. :)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Yogis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: One gets the credit for accomplishments by actually accomplishing something, not by claiming that your teacher did. I absolutely agree with this last bit. I also think you are taking what I said to an absurd degree. What I have said is analogous to the fact that the electrification of the US wouldn't have occurred were it not for Edison. You probably don't see it that way. OK by me. However to imply that I am denigrating those who followed in Maharishi's footsteps, like the Vanity Fair yoga photographer, is not at all what I am talking about, or that anyone who has ever accomplished anything spiritually including any of us here, hasn't done so entirely on their own merits, through their own choice, and through their own efforts. However, someone had to revitalize the spiritual momentum of the world. The religions weren't doing it. The fact that it is Maharishi and Guru Dev doesn't matter much. It could have been anyone else. Reality check: Its just that it wasn't, though Yogananda did a great job of softening up the soil in the West so to speak. And last, this implication that Maharishi and Guru Dev did this and therefore it reflects on me somehow is just plain nonsensical. I hope that clarifies to you what I have said originally. In a nutshell I said what I said without any further implications or conclusions to be drawn. A settled mind. It is what it is, and no more. :-) According to you MMY is perfect and revitalized the spiritual momentum of the world. Do tell, oh settled mind, where is your proof of this? Maharishi *and* Guru Dev. Do you have any proof that they haven't?:-) Are you serious? 99.99% of the world's population has never heard of either Guru Dev or MMY. The majority of the world's population who are religious follow traditions other than Hinduism. And the vast majority of Hindus have nothing to do with MMY. You've heard of the civil war going on on the Iraq, right? You've heard of the other wars going on in the middle east, right? Genocidesmany, in fact most conducted in the name of religion. Famine. What's YOUR proof? Pundits living behind barbed wire in FF? I'd really like to know. Look, if believing in the fairy tale that MMY has revitalized the spiritual momentum of the world brings you pleasure in thinking that you rode the right horse in this life, instead of some other spiritual leader, good on you. There's nothing finer than the security and warm blanketness of being in the know, of being in on cosmic secret. But from outside this little cocoon, MMY is a big man in a tiny and ever shrinking pond.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: why not relinquish TM?
Vaj wrote: I was once staying at Swami Rama's ashram, he induced a samadhi in a student just casually one day in the cafeteria. But, did you learn to transcend while you were staying at Swami Rama's ashram? If not, for what purpose were you staying there? To mix up and pass out the kool-aid? The guy locked into his asana and stayed that way for days! They actually had a special light and temperature controlled room for when this happened. Around here they call that the looney bin, Vaj, and the locked-legs are the result of wearing a straight jacket. They keep the lights on so they can watch you in case you try to put a dog collar around your neck and kill yourself, like Fred the Zen Master did.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: why not relinquish TM?
Bhairitu wrote: Most of everything in the meditation method of TM can be found in a book or two published by Swami Sivananda in the 1930s and that is just one example. So, how come Swami Satchitananda or Swami Vishnudevananda couldn't teach any of their students how to effortlessly transcend? I took their course in Yoga back in the '70s and neither one of them said anything about transcending - I got the impression that they didn't have a clue and so that's why they taught concentration on the tip of their nose. The reason so many teachers give shaktipat as part of the meditation instruction is so the student can instantly transcend and it sets up the mind for transcending with practicing the mantra. Maybe so, but I got shaktiput from Swami Muktananda when he visited California a few days before Franklin Jones met him. Later Jones called himself The Master Da, but neither one of them seemed to have a clue about teaching anyone how to transcend using a TM technique. If they did, I guess they would have said something about it, would they not? At any rate, I guess it's now been settled: Vaj got enlightened at seeing a guy sitting with locked legs in a cafeteria in Honesburg, Barry got zapped by Fred Lentz at a light show in Los Angeles, and now you're telling us that you got enlightened by a power touch in downtown Oakland. Maybe you three got touched in the head and you lost you marbles in a trance-induction state. Who knows? So, you guys have been in and out of cults for most of your adult life, but I'm the one who eats prarie dog tacos? Eat your rice, then wash your bowl!
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Yogis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: One gets the credit for accomplishments by actually accomplishing something, not by claiming that your teacher did. I absolutely agree with this last bit. I also think you are taking what I said to an absurd degree. What I have said is analogous to the fact that the electrification of the US wouldn't have occurred were it not for Edison. You probably don't see it that way. OK by me. However to imply that I am denigrating those who followed in Maharishi's footsteps, like the Vanity Fair yoga photographer, is not at all what I am talking about, or that anyone who has ever accomplished anything spiritually including any of us here, hasn't done so entirely on their own merits, through their own choice, and through their own efforts. However, someone had to revitalize the spiritual momentum of the world. The religions weren't doing it. The fact that it is Maharishi and Guru Dev doesn't matter much. It could have been anyone else. Reality check: Its just that it wasn't, though Yogananda did a great job of softening up the soil in the West so to speak. And last, this implication that Maharishi and Guru Dev did this and therefore it reflects on me somehow is just plain nonsensical. I hope that clarifies to you what I have said originally. In a nutshell I said what I said without any further implications or conclusions to be drawn. A settled mind. It is what it is, and no more. :-) According to you MMY is perfect and revitalized the spiritual momentum of the world. Do tell, oh settled mind, where is your proof of this? Maharishi *and* Guru Dev. Do you have any proof that they haven't?:-) Are you serious? 99.99% of the world's population has never heard of either Guru Dev or MMY. The majority of the world's population who are religious follow traditions other than Hinduism. And the vast majority of Hindus have nothing to do with MMY. You've heard of the civil war going on on the Iraq, right? You've heard of the other wars going on in the middle east, right? Genocidesmany, in fact most conducted in the name of religion. Famine. What's YOUR proof? Pundits living behind barbed wire in FF? I'd really like to know. Look, if believing in the fairy tale that MMY has revitalized the spiritual momentum of the world brings you pleasure in thinking that you rode the right horse in this life, instead of some other spiritual leader, good on you. There's nothing finer than the security and warm blanketness of being in the know, of being in on cosmic secret. You too with the self aggrandizement argument? What is it with this? Is that why you were interested in TM and Maharishi at one time?? I don't get that connection. I've always derived a great deal from Maharishi and Guru Dev's teaching and the practice of TM, vs. going about smugly as a member of some sort of little club. My beliefs are purely derived from my experience, and not the other way around. My attitude has always been one of surrender vs. arrogance and condescension, though I might have been in the minority. Don't know, don't care. As to the world being unaware of Maharishi and Guru Dev's contribution, couldn't that be similar to Copernicus's assertion in the 15th century that the earth revolves around the sun vs the other way around? One of the few with such a belief at that time, but ultimately found to be right? Just asking the question. But from outside this little cocoon, MMY is a big man in a tiny and ever shrinking pond. Yes on the surface it would appear so. Just as on the surface the sun definitely and unmistakably revolves around the earth.:-)
