[FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfr...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives boo_lives@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: raunchy wrote: I was on the PAC Pal Vedic Atom... geezerfreak wrote: That's rich Raunch... So, geezer, were you on the PAC Pal Vedic Atom? Ever been to India? I didn't see your name on the list of TMO Teachers the last time I was in Fairfield. Just askin'. Very curious about this list of tmo teachers that you imagine yourself seeing in ffld willy. please tell us more about it. where is it located and who showed it to you. when? in fact i dare you to make one factual statement about how the capital operates there. wondering why you need to make stuff up about which you obviously know nothing about You beat me to the punch here boo. Yes, Tex, do tell us all about the list. Of course there is a list. For years, I've seen it at the Fairfield capitol whenever I had to get my dome badge updated. I don't have access to the list, but the folks putting the stickers of the badges sure do. Willytex wouldn't have access to a list unless he renewed dome badges or worked in the course office approving applications. Most of the folks doing that have always been women. When I was on the Vedic Atom, I worked in the course office at PAC Pal and processed tons of applications for LA Sidhas applying for WPA's and the course in India with Maharishi. We did not have a list. An unidentified male voice on the phone calling from an undisclosed location (probably Livingston Manor) from the Council of Supreme Intelligence had the list. They seemed to know all about the applicants I processed so I assumed they had a list. Maybe it was Willeytex I was talking to back then and I didn't even know it. How about it Willeytex, was it you I sent cookies to? If you tell me what kind they were, I'll believe it was really you that I flirted with on the phone all those many years ago.
[FairfieldLife] 'happiness' and 'unhappiness' are seen as meaningless words
The notions 'This is happiness' and 'This is unhappiness' do not arise in the liberated ones. When they have realised the truth that there is neither 'the world' nor 'the self', and that the one is the all, 'happiness' and 'unhappiness' are seen as meaningless words. Their grief is superficial, for they are free from sorrow. http://venkatesaya.com/242_vasistha02/index.vasistha02.php?m=8d=26 http://venkatesaya.com/242_vasistha02/index.vasistha02.php?m=8d=26
[FairfieldLife] Re: Has anyone seen the movie 'Earth' ?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote: I haven't seen the movie but I heard on the radio the other day that it is NOT a movie for children as there are apparently quite graphic scenes of animals attacking and eating other animals and there are reports across the country of children crying and screaming in the theatres over this. ** Earth may be too intense for some kids under 8, but Disney thought a lot about the editing, making it a lot more kid-friendly than the Planet Earth footage on the Discovery Channel: http://www.mercurynews.com/entertainment/ci_12148218 Jean-Francois Camilleri, a Disney veteran who runs Disneynature, notes that scenes depicting some of the harsher realities of nature have been carefully edited. That baby elephant dies off camera, for instance, and audiences are just led to believe that the cheetah has its snack. http://www.newsweek.com/id/194661 Where the Wild Things Die By Jesse Ellison | NEWSWEEK Published Apr 18, 2009 From the magazine issue dated Apr 27, 2009 There's a scene early in the gorgeous new documentary Earth in which a wolf stalks a caribou calf through the grasslands of northern Canada. The chase, filmed in slow motion, feels epic. At points the calf seems on the verge of escape. Then, in a blink, its little legs buckle. The movie doesn't show what happens next, but in the theater where I saw it, everyone got the pointincluding the little girl sitting in front of me, who jumped into her father's lap and buried her face in his neck. She was terrified. So was I. This wasn't a case of bad parenting. Earth, the first release from Disneynature, the studio's ecologically oriented film division, is rated G. It's a theatrical version of the BBC miniseries Planet Earth, only with the grisly parts lopped out to make it family friendly. At least that's the idea. That's funny about the girl's reaction, says co-director Mark Linfield. We thought very hard about what is the right level for children. The goal, he says, was to portray the wild kingdom honestly without having to Disney-ify the film. The bottom line, says co-director Alastair Fothergill, is that nature is rendered tooth and claw. Just without blood and gutsand the notion that that's enough to merit a G rating is a bit too easy. The implied death of an animal, heightened with anxious slo-mo, is frightening whether it happens onscreen or off. Later, a baby elephant is separated from its herd during a sandstorm, and when the dust settles, the narrator tells us it's following footsteps in the wrong directiontoward certain death, in other words. It may well be, says Linfield, that the little elephant getting lost is sadder to you than to kids in the audience. Perhaps. By that point in the screening, the little girl in front of me had already left. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: It's been compared to March of the Penguins which I skipped. I think I saw enough nature films in my youth to do for this lifetime. ;-) Marek Reavis wrote: Thank you for the heads-up. The trailer was excellent; I'm planning on catching the movie tonight. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: Wow! I just watched the trailer here: http://disney.go.com/disneynature/
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Ruth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of geezerfreak Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 11:01 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Ruth Sister Raunchcan I ask you something? Do you think that there is a possibility that your faith in Maharishi and in the rightness of his movement, might be a mistake? In other words, can you consider the possibility (just the possibility) that what you believe with all of your heart, about Maharishi and his movement, could be completely wrong? Is it possible? As I've already stated, when I made the decision to leave the TMO, I did so knowing that I could be completely wrong, that I may have made the biggest mistake of my life. Now...in the nearly 30 years that have followed, everything I experience tells me otherwise. But to this day, I really don't know! I like going with my instincts, I really do. I like knowing that I could be wrong. I like the not knowing! Sorry for the diversion and back to my question to you. Is it possible? Geez, why does your decision have to have been completely right or completely wrong? The Movement always has been a mixed bag, as have we. Both it and we have good and bad qualities. You have a great career which you wouldn't have had if you had remained full time in the movement. Most people who remained full time have little to show for it, either in terms of any great spiritual advantage, and certainly not materially. One scenario might have been to have distanced yourself, but occasionally attended courses, but you could probably do that now. Rick, I'm speaking of the belief system. If you go over a certain line in discarding the belief system of the TMO you are considered off the program. I had some dicey run ins back in the day when it became known that I read books meaning books involving Indian and hindu philosophy that were not movement approved. I had to do some fast talking to, for instance, get approved to become a teacher of special techniques. I haven't the slightest desire to attend courses at this time. I lived year after year going to the next big course. The joy of discarding that whole way of thinking was, for me, in letting go of the idea that I had to have my foot on some kind of spiritual gas pedal, the whole idea of a go faster way. But, I get your point. I don't find anything odd about remaining fascinated with that period of my life where I dove in 100% to another reality. I don't regret any of it. (OK, I probably could have shaved a few years off and gotten what I needed to get out of it.) From time to time I enjoy participating at FFL. I remain fascinated by those who, after all of these years of growing and obvious TMO dysfunction, still believe, heart and soul. I realize that I come across at times as mocking or condescending. Mostly I'm just playing to tell you the truth. As I've been writing today, I can't truly look down on anyone who remains hard core into it all. I was as TB as anyone (maybe with a twist). My instincts and the way life has gone tell me that the decision I made to leave the TMO was a good one. ButI could be completely full of shit. Part of the joy comes from knowing and accepting that. The question that Barry asked today...can the TB'ers here entertain the concept that they MIGHT be wrong about all of this...it gets to the core of why I check in here. There's no right or wrong but every once in a while someone here has a personal discovery or something to share that keeps me coming back You created quite a joint here Rick!
[FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives boo_lives@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: raunchy wrote: I was on the PAC Pal Vedic Atom... geezerfreak wrote: That's rich Raunch... So, geezer, were you on the PAC Pal Vedic Atom? Ever been to India? I didn't see your name on the list of TMO Teachers the last time I was in Fairfield. Just askin'. Very curious about this list of tmo teachers that you imagine yourself seeing in ffld willy. please tell us more about it. where is it located and who showed it to you. when? in fact i dare you to make one factual statement about how the capital operates there. wondering why you need to make stuff up about which you obviously know nothing about You beat me to the punch here boo. Yes, Tex, do tell us all about the list. Of course there is a list. For years, I've seen it at the Fairfield capitol whenever I had to get my dome badge updated. I don't have access to the list, but the folks putting the stickers of the badges sure do. Willytex wouldn't have access to a list unless he renewed dome badges or worked in the course office approving applications. Most of the folks doing that have always been women. When I was on the Vedic Atom, I worked in the course office at PAC Pal and processed tons of applications for LA Sidhas applying for WPA's and the course in India with Maharishi. We did not have a list. An unidentified male voice on the phone calling from an undisclosed location (probably Livingston Manor) from the Council of Supreme Intelligence had the list. They seemed to know all about the applicants I processed so I assumed they had a list. Maybe it was Willeytex I was talking to back then and I didn't even know it. How about it Willeytex, was it you I sent cookies to? If you tell me what kind they were, I'll believe it was really you that I flirted with on the phone all those many years ago. You worked at Pac Pal? So did I, but that was right before terms like vedic atom were being used. (How many parents got calls from their kid announcing that they were now part of a vedic atom?) The Council of Supreme Intelligence. So 50's SciFi! So what years were you there? Is that facility still there?
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Ruth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: Sister Raunchcan I ask you something? Do you think that there is a possibility that your faith in Maharishi and in the rightness of his movement, might be a mistake? In other words, can you consider the possibility (just the possibility) that what you believe with all of your heart, about Maharishi and his movement, could be completely wrong? Is it possible? As I've already stated, when I made the decision to leave the TMO, I did so knowing that I could be completely wrong, that I may have made the biggest mistake of my life. Now...in the nearly 30 years that have followed, everything I experience tells me otherwise. But to this day, I really don't know! I like going with my instincts, I really do. I like knowing that I could be wrong. I like the not knowing! Sorry for the diversion and back to my question to you. Is it possible? Well, I guess anything is possible. Let's start from common ground. We both do TM. We both like it. Neither of us have doubts about our experience of TM. If we did, we wouldn't do it. Now the rest of it, the TMO, Maharishi, are all about personal choice. Tons of people do TM with never a thought of the TMO or Maharishi. There is no right or wrong in this. People follow their hearts. The trick is, never doubt wherever it leads. You followed your heart 30 years ago, but to this day you doubt your decision. You say you like not knowing. Did it ever occur to you that your heart lead you to a path of not knowing and judging the rightness or wrongness of it are just artifacts you employ to energize your path of not knowing? Not knowing is a beautiful thing all by itself. Where the heart leads is a mystery, a curiosity that moves you on and on toward the charm of the transcending, the bloom of a flower, the laughter of a child, the love of a husband, the admiration of a teacher, all are mysteries, renewed in every moment of I don't know. Concerning Maharishi, I just follow my heart wherever it leads. I don't know, is not the same as doubt. The former requires innocence of heart, the latter troubles the heart. Simply brilliant, that last line is Great! R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
In another post, Raunchy opined: I understand your concern. I agree that unfounded beliefs can be harmful. However, in all the years I have meditated, I cannot think of one thing about it that has caused me harm. If someone feels TM has caused him or her harm, that is his or her experience, not mine. Let's compare and contrast to what she said in this post: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: When I was on the Vedic Atom, I worked in the course office at PAC Pal and processed tons of applications for LA Sidhas applying for WPA's and the course in India with Maharishi. We did not have a list. An unidentified male voice on the phone calling from an undisclosed location (probably Livingston Manor) from the Council of Supreme Intelligence had the list. They seemed to know all about the applicants I processed so I assumed they had a list. So Raunchydog, in all that time that you were processing applications for LA Sidhas applying for WPA's, did you ever turn anyone down? If so, that probably does not fall into the category of causing you harm. But is is pos- sible that you caused *others* harm by just believing an unidentified male voice on the other end of the phone? Is it possible that you turned down someone's application because the unidentified voice on the other end of the phone said to out of spite, or because he thought that they might have once seen another spiritual teacher or done some- thing Off The Program? If so, and someone was discriminated against and kept away from a course that even YOU would have to believe would be beneficial for them, does this present a case for YOUR unfounded beliefs being a tad harmful to someone else? Or is their experience of YOU turning them down all their experience, not yours? I'm SURE you can make a case for I was just doing my job, and following orders. But you don't even know WHOSE orders you were follow- ing. Do you not see something vaguely remin- iscent of Germany during WWII about this, where good Germans sent Jews somewhere (they didn't care where) because some unidentified male voice told them to? Do you get my point? Thanks for posting, Anything is possible, by the way. That's another evasion, and not the same as actually saying, There is a possibility that the TM critics are right and I am wrong, but it's the closest any of the people I addressed my question to have come to actually answering it. So that makes you the least pussy-like of any of them. Your certificate is in the mail. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The shrink and the Zen master
I see some of the same issues among meditators, and I 'spect the remedies are the same also. Not necessarily hours or years of psychoanalysis, but getting to the same point on the path, however one gets there. ~ Spiritkin --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: Totally, totally fascinating piece in the New York Times magazine: Enlightenment Therapy By Chip Brown I. The Invisible Man If he hadn't been so distraught, he might have laughed at the absurdity of it: a Zen master in the waiting room of a psychoanalyst. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/26/magazine/26zen-t.html?ref=magazinepagewanted=all http://tinyurl.com/c5shve
[FairfieldLife] Mary Jane?
How'd youse describe the smell of Mary Jane?
[FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfr...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives boo_lives@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: raunchy wrote: I was on the PAC Pal Vedic Atom... geezerfreak wrote: That's rich Raunch... So, geezer, were you on the PAC Pal Vedic Atom? Ever been to India? I didn't see your name on the list of TMO Teachers the last time I was in Fairfield. Just askin'. Very curious about this list of tmo teachers that you imagine yourself seeing in ffld willy. please tell us more about it. where is it located and who showed it to you. when? in fact i dare you to make one factual statement about how the capital operates there. wondering why you need to make stuff up about which you obviously know nothing about You beat me to the punch here boo. Yes, Tex, do tell us all about the list. Of course there is a list. For years, I've seen it at the Fairfield capitol whenever I had to get my dome badge updated. I don't have access to the list, but the folks putting the stickers of the badges sure do. Willytex wouldn't have access to a list unless he renewed dome badges or worked in the course office approving applications. Most of the folks doing that have always been women. When I was on the Vedic Atom, I worked in the course office at PAC Pal and processed tons of applications for LA Sidhas applying for WPA's and the course in India with Maharishi. We did not have a list. An unidentified male voice on the phone calling from an undisclosed location (probably Livingston Manor) from the Council of Supreme Intelligence had the list. They seemed to know all about the applicants I processed so I assumed they had a list. Maybe it was Willeytex I was talking to back then and I didn't even know it. How about it Willeytex, was it you I sent cookies to? If you tell me what kind they were, I'll believe it was really you that I flirted with on the phone all those many years ago. You worked at Pac Pal? So did I, but that was right before terms like vedic atom were being used. (How many parents got calls from their kid announcing that they were now part of a vedic atom?) The Council of Supreme Intelligence. So 50's SciFi! So what years were you there? Is that facility still there? The Vedic Atom went to PAC Pal from Fairfield in late summer of 1980. We were there just about 2 months until Maharishi invited us to join him in India. We arrived in India in November just in time for Diwali. The Atom returned to PAC Pal the following March. We were there another two months, then we shipped out to Palo Alto. I made a commitment to stay with the Atom and stay I did, until the Fall of 1981. A whole year. It was the most ego bruising experience of my life. It was a combination of being in the military and being married to ten people at the same time. The dictum was, Agree on everything. I gave it my all and it wasn't easy. Everything I felt or experienced with my senses as reality everything I thought was urgently important, turned out to be not important at all. The Atom ground my ego into toasty-o's. I had nothing left of me to hang on to. Resistance was futile. I had to go with the flow, surrender my small self and shred every remnant of ego or risk a battle with other egos equally attached to their reality. In a word, it was a lesson in detachment. It was challenging but I don't regret it. It just gives me some insight about how fiercely people are willing to defend their self-importance and hopefully I've gained some wisdom about picking my battles as well.
[FairfieldLife] The perception that is Love
The perception that is Love We have been as yet somewhat incomplete in our explanation of what we mean when we say Love. Love to you - in your perception that is based on cultural tradition, social cues, literature, music and real emotion - is limited. It's limited in part because your perceptions are inherently limited, because you perceive what there is on the physical plane, which are things that you can touch feel things, imagine, see, hear, smell or taste. But when we say love, we don't limit that to this good heart feeling that you get when culturally and socially you think of the work love. We mean complete presence: a complete awareness. And so saying that love is attention is accurate. When you give your attention to something, you're not judging it. You're not deeming it worthy, unworthy, good, bad, painful or beautiful. You are simply noticing. You are simply being with it - and this is love. Deep Meditation is Love One of the most useful elements in meditation is simply a practice of noticing What Is, which truly means you're loving it. You are giving it your undivided attention without comparison. You are not saying I'm wearing brown pants today and then thinking about brown pants as the lesser of the two between brown pants and black pants. You're not thinking that these brown pants and the texture of them somehow connotes that you are of a lower class, because you are wearing corduroy and that's associated with the working-class. You're not thinking about these brown pants and the fact that they haven't been laundered in six months and what that might mean to you. You're simply saying I have on brown pants. It's a very accepting energy, this loving attention. But it's not unquestionably expecting, you see? It's not blindly accepting. So perhaps your brown pants have a tear in them, and perhaps in some contexts that would be a negative thing. But if you simply observe my brown pants have a tear in them, and then don't attach anything good or bad to that observance, you are loving your brown pants as they are. You're not loving them because they have a tear in them and placing more attention upon that than is necessary - you are simply observing What Is. It is very difficult to observe things As They Are in every moment, because almost everything that you look around and see has an emotional connection for you. That is part of how you experience life - by threading your way through all the emotional connections. You look around the room and you see perhaps the furniture, a computer, a shoe, and a magazine and each of those things hold some sort of emotional architectural meaning for you. Holding yourself to the simple act of observing I see a sofa. I see a computer. I see a magazine does not limit you in any way to the emotional connection that could be contained within these simple statements. And because of that, you place your awareness on the computer and you can love it for what it is. You don't have to think of it as my computer or something else's, or what information might be contained within that computer or what that computer might be used for, or how old is this and how you feel you really should be replacing it. No. It simply is. We would like you to think of this attention and presence as Love. Copyright © 2008 by Karen Murphy and Matthew Spears. http://www.polarisrising.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives boo_lives@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: raunchy wrote: I was on the PAC Pal Vedic Atom... geezerfreak wrote: That's rich Raunch... So, geezer, were you on the PAC Pal Vedic Atom? Ever been to India? I didn't see your name on the list of TMO Teachers the last time I was in Fairfield. Just askin'. Very curious about this list of tmo teachers that you imagine yourself seeing in ffld willy. please tell us more about it. where is it located and who showed it to you. when? in fact i dare you to make one factual statement about how the capital operates there. wondering why you need to make stuff up about which you obviously know nothing about You beat me to the punch here boo. Yes, Tex, do tell us all about the list. Of course there is a list. For years, I've seen it at the Fairfield capitol whenever I had to get my dome badge updated. I don't have access to the list, but the folks putting the stickers of the badges sure do. Willytex wouldn't have access to a list unless he renewed dome badges or worked in the course office approving applications. Most of the folks doing that have always been women. When I was on the Vedic Atom, I worked in the course office at PAC Pal and processed tons of applications for LA Sidhas applying for WPA's and the course in India with Maharishi. We did not have a list. An unidentified male voice on the phone calling from an undisclosed location (probably Livingston Manor) from the Council of Supreme Intelligence had the list. They seemed to know all about the applicants I processed so I assumed they had a list. Maybe it was Willeytex I was talking to back then and I didn't even know it. How about it Willeytex, was it you I sent cookies to? If you tell me what kind they were, I'll believe it was really you that I flirted with on the phone all those many years ago. You worked at Pac Pal? So did I, but that was right before terms like vedic atom were being used. (How many parents got calls from their kid announcing that they were now part of a vedic atom?) The Council of Supreme Intelligence. So 50's SciFi! So what years were you there? Is that facility still there? Last I heard Yogananda's group bought it. As you know they were right next door to PAC Pal. It was a beautiful place. There was a view of a windmill next to a small lake. I took a picture of it and when I got home I managed to create a fairly nice looking painting of it. My Mom still has the painting hanging in one of her bedrooms.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 guyfawkes91@ wrote: I see the TMO is starting to get heavy with people who point out its rather obvious failings. YouTube has been told to take down the famous Berlin clip of Schiffgens making an idiot of himself. http://nosedef.blogspot.com/2009/04/david-lynch-forces-my-video-of-him.html This isn't the only recent case of the TMO getting heavy with people. My guess is that Bevan is the driving force behind the new heavy handed attitude to detractors since he's basically a bully and enjoys that sort of thing. Comments? The Schiffgens clip was an absolutely cringe inducing performance worthy the Gong Show. Lynch was heroic. He did his best to treat Schiffgens with respect and well as keep an angry mob from storming the stage. Bless his heart. The TM critics have always had plenty of ammo available to dissuade people from starting TM. This clip is just one more bomb in the arsenal. They will persist and may dissuade a few here and there, but they will not prevail. People who want to start TM will start regardless of any amount of dirty laundry the TM critics unload. It might even make some folks curious enough to start TM just to see what all the fuss was. It's much more exhilarating for TM critics to say, Hey, look at that idiot, Schiffgens, if you do TM you might end up like HIM, than say, Lynch has the patience of a saint, if you do TM you might end up like HIM. In either case, it is a mistake to judge the value of TM by the actions of an idiot or a saint. There is no measure of idiocy or sainthood before, during or after TM. Whether we witness the actions of Schiffgens the buffoon, Lynch the angel of mercy or Bevan the fascist bully, TM will prevail as wholly separate from them. The point really is that these rajas are the top men in the TMO and if you're selling a technique you claim to be the ultimate in personal development and it turns out that the people that have been doing it for donkeys' years are a bunch of insane weirdos what are you going to think? At least that it isn't all it's cracked up to be. It's all very well just TMing and keeping your distance from the movement but would you have learned in the first place if you knew it was going to end up with this global monarchy of dubious bullshit? I've have two compartments in my head. One for TM and one for the TMO. Being unable to fit the TMO square peg into the TM round hole, does not detract from either the peg or the hole. It's only a bother when you try to do the impossible. Relax. Like it or not the TMO will always be the standard-bearer for TM. It's what we've got. Get used to it, or feel miserable about it. Your choice. Oh, I don't feel miserable. I think it's funny that a group can be so out of touch with reality. What annoys me is I used to want to create the same reality they did, but it changed out of all recognition while I watched. I don't think the ME works and looking back I can see the TMO's delusion and lies, unwitting or not, for what they are. If I could have my life again I would still join up and work with the TMO as it was a valuable lesson in how group-think can influence people to think and behave in ways they wouldn't normally do. Not many have the chance to see a real bonafide cult close up. It was a priviledge to be there at the end when Marshy's every mad rant was broadcast daily. And to have been on the inside during scorpionland! Seeing a bunch of hopelessly devoted friends treated like shit sure sobered me up. I think TM may prevail *in spite* of the TMO but only if they continue to hide what they're really like from the world. But having read your other posts about the TMO I think you have a somewhat rose-tinted view of it. Or maybe you weren't looking out for bad stuff like I was. It always fascinated me that people would excuse all sorts of outrageous, even illegal behaviour. Partly they were scared of rocking the boat but mainly because they thought Marshy could do no wrong and that reality was sometimes out of step with the movement. Someone said that to me once, seriously. Funny eh?
[FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: The Vedic Atom went to PAC Pal from Fairfield in late summer of 1980. We were there just about 2 months until Maharishi invited us to join him in India. We arrived in India in November just in time for Diwali. The Atom returned to PAC Pal the following March. We were there another two months, then we shipped out to Palo Alto. I made a commitment to stay with the Atom and stay I did, until the Fall of 1981. A whole year. It was the most ego bruising experience of my life. It was a combination of being in the military and being married to ten people at the same time. The dictum was, Agree on everything. I gave it my all and it wasn't easy. Everything I felt or experienced with my senses as reality everything I thought was urgently important, turned out to be not important at all. The Atom ground my ego into toasty-o's. I had nothing left of me to hang on to. Resistance was futile. Raunchy, on this note from the Borg :-), and hopefully more in the spirit of I don't know- ness than cynicism, I have to ask you a question: Where did this dictum you speak of *come from*? I'm curious because in the past few days you have made some seemingly contradictory state- ments about your TMO experience. This is just the latest of them, so I was hoping you could clear up which of them is true and which is maybe not quite so true. The first such quote was on Saturday morning my time, probably still Friday night your time. You said: Maharishi is a product of his culture and he was true to it. We could not have expected anything otherwise. He did not fit into our culture and he never asked anyone to fit into his. That seems fairly definitive -- He never asked anyone to fit into his [culture or way of doing things]. And yet just a few hours later, you said: Yep. We were on the program, every minute of every day. That is what I signed on for. I wasn't drafted into the military. I joined. We were loyal soldiers on a mission of peace. No one held a gun to my head and told me to march. No one fired a shot. This confuses me. If no one held a gun to your head, what was this dictum you now speak about? You go on to say: I didn't surrender to Maharishi's control. I willingly embraced the experience of being with him. No one forced me to do anything. I was there because I loved him and felt I was doing what little I could for a noble purpose, world peace. Again, this language does not seem to jibe with your word dictum. Who or what dictated this dictum of Agree on everything to you? You speak of how it wasn't easy to *follow* this dictum. You speak of how it ground your ego into toasty-o's. While colorful in a break- fast cereal sort of way, I'm left wondering WHERE this dictum that rendered you a cereal product CAME FROM. You go on to say that Resistance was futile. Resistance against WHAT? Resistance against WHOM? A dictum is defined in Mr. Dictionary as a) a formal pronouncement of a principle, proposition, or opinion or b) an observation intended or regarded as authoritative. WHO or WHAT was the authority in question here? Where did this dictum of Agree on everything COME FROM? And if in fact it came from Maharishi, how does that jibe with your statement that He did not fit into our culture and he never asked anyone to fit into his? It seems to me that asking a group of women to Agree on everything as a lifestyle is very MUCH asking someone to fit into a culture in which an authority (one's spiritual teacher) tells them what to do, and they just mindlessly do it, as if...uh...resistance is futile. Perhaps you have a different way of explaining why you agreed to such an artificial lifestyle if you were NOT following orders and trying to fit into Maharishi's culture. As you said earlier, I report, you decide. Please report on this seeming contradiction.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev - Our happiness or unhappiness is OUR responsibility
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev - Our happiness or unhappiness is OUR responsibility
These translations have now been reviewed, revised, polished up and included in a book, the first of three illustrated volumes on Guru Dev soon to available via www.paulmason.info Currently working on an AV package to be available as a DVD/CD including onscreen translations of all available audio material of Guru Dev.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev - Our happiness or unhappiness is OUR responsibility
The three volumes of the Guru Dev trilogy will be available through the following:- http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/upadesh.htm http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/GuruDevLifeStory.htm http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/AKtransrough.htm --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandp...@... wrote: These translations have now been reviewed, revised, polished up and included in a book, the first of three illustrated volumes on Guru Dev soon to available via www.paulmason.info Currently working on an AV package to be available as a DVD/CD including onscreen translations of all available audio material of Guru Dev.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
On Apr 26, 2009, at 12:19 AM, I am the eternal wrote: On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 10:46 PM, geezerfreak geezerfr...@yahoo.com wrote: See, I am the eternal (man, why didn't you just go all the way and call yourself GOD) the thing is, WillyTex really IS nuts. This is not just my opinion, by the way. Let's ask Judy. Judy...want to speak up on the state of Willy Tex's mental health? Judy, like most of the ladies here except Sal show some class. But are you and Judy licensed mental health professionals? If so, can you diagnose someone from afar? It takes someone in the same state of consciousness to recognize another Eternal.
[FairfieldLife] On The Program and Off The Program
We all know these phrases. Most of us *lived* by the phrase On The Program (presented in gold here to emphasize its goodness) or its converse Off The Program (presented in red here for obvious reasons) for years if not decades. But what are the actual DEFINITIONS of these buzzphrases? My definitions of these two phrases, based on my many years in the TM movement and several years of following its activities out of curiosity since, have to be: On The Program -- Doing what Maharishi says to do. Off The Program -- Doing anything contrary to what Maharishi says to do. It's really as simple as that in my opinion. There is, after all, nowhere one can go to obtain a formal definition of what On The Program means. It's not written down in any Human Resources manual that contains the rules imposed on teachers of TM and/or mere practitioners of the TM technique. Some (those who have written about cults) would say that this lack of definition is intentional. They would say that having a *vague* definition by which everyone in the organization is judged and measured by is almost *by definition* a cult phenomenon. For one reason, it keeps the cult out of legal trouble; if they had actually written down rules that violated state or national law, they would be in Deep Shit legally. But on another level, keeping the definition of the phrase by which all members of the organization are judged *vague* has another purpose in that it creates an atmosphere of fear. The real *purpose* of keeping the definition vague and ever-changing is to keep the members of the organization ever-fearful that they might do something wrong, and be punished for it. And, let's face it, you CAN be punished for being Off The Program in the TM movement. Thousands have been so punished. They have been denied access to TM centers and TM courses, they have been banned from the domes, they have been subjected to shunning by their fellow TMers, and they have been subjected to harassment and vitriolic attacks *for* violating this rule that *has never once been written down*. So let's write it down. What are some of the things that, in your experience, have been deemed Off The Program by people in the TM movement who *had the authority to punish you for doing them*? Here are some of the ones I've witnessed or heard of that led to threatened or actual punishment: * Living with one's girlfriend or boyfriend when you are not married. * Having Off The Program books on your book- shelves. I saw at least a dozen people in LA denied access to residence courses or TTC because of this and the previous sin. * Expressing doubts about one of Maharishi's proc- lamations. I once saw someone sent home from an ATR course because he questioned publicly that the Age Of Enlightenment had actually come to pass. * Leaving the hotel on an ATR course to go across the street and buy an ice cream cone and eat it. We have someone on this forum who was threatened over this one. * Doing anything on a TMO-sponsored residence course that was not 100% dictated to them by the course leaders, on orders of Maharishi. I saw several people threatened with being sent home from courses for talking during what was supposed to be a silent walk and talk. I saw one person threatened with being sent home from a course for leaving the hotel and going into town to buy medicine at a pharmacy. * Attending a public talk by another spiritual teacher. That will *still* get you banned from the dome in Fair- field if you admit it, as I understand. * Wearing jeans. When I was a State Coordinator, I ran into several TM Centers who had banned TM Teachers from ever setting foot inside the Center again because they were spotted in public wearing jeans. * Saying something in a TM advanced lecture that the teacher had heard from Charlie Lutes, and which was not part of the standard TM dogma. The list of former TM Teachers banned from the TM movement in the 70s for doing this is probably longer than the current list of recertified TM Teachers. Add your own working definitions of what Off The Program has meant in your TM movement experience. If you feel like it, add some definitions of what On The Program means as well. And if you choose to do the latter, please try to make a case for it meaning anything *except* Doing what Maharishi says to do.
[FairfieldLife] The Banality of Bush White House Evil
The Banality of Bush White House EvilBy FRANK RICH
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WE don’t like our evil to be banal. Ten years after Columbine,
it only now may be sinking in that the psychopathic killers were not
jock-hating dorks from a “Trench Coat Mafia,” or, as ABC News
maintained at the time, “part of a dark, underground national
phenomenon known as the Gothic movement.” In the new best seller “Columbine,”
the journalist Dave Cullen reaffirms that Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris
were instead ordinary American teenagers who worked at the local pizza
joint, loved their parents and were popular among their classmates
Barry Blitt
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On Tuesday, it will be five years since Americans first confronted the
photographs from Abu Ghraib
on “60 Minutes II.” Here, too, we want to cling to myths that
quarantine the evil. If our country committed torture, surely it did so
to prevent Armageddon, in a patriotic ticking-time-bomb scenario out of
“24.” If anyone deserves blame, it was only those identified by President Bush
as “a few American troops who dishonored our country and disregarded
our values”: promiscuous, sinister-looking lowlifes like Lynddie
England, Charles Graner and the other grunts who were held accountable while
the top command got a pass. We’ve learned much, much more about America and
torture in the past five years. But as Mark Danner recently wrote
in The New York Review of Books, for all the revelations, one essential
fact remains unchanged: “By no later than the summer of 2004, the
American people had before them the basic narrative of how the elected
and appointed officials of their government decided to torture
prisoners and how they went about it.” When the Obama administration
said it declassified four new torture memos 10 days ago in part because their
contents were already largely public, it was right.Yet
we still shrink from the hardest truths and the bigger picture: that
torture was a premeditated policy approved at our government’s highest
levels; that it was carried out in scenarios that had no resemblance to
“24”; that psychologists and physicians were enlisted as collaborators in
inflicting pain; and that, in the assessment of reliable sources like the
F.B.I. director Robert Mueller, it did not help disrupt any terrorist attacks.
The
newly released Justice Department memos, like those before them, were
not written by barely schooled misfits like England and Graner. John
Yoo, Steven Bradbury and Jay Bybee graduated from the likes of Harvard, Yale,
Stanford, Michigan and Brigham Young. They have passed through white-shoe law
firms like Covington Burling, and Sidley Austin. Judge Bybee’s résumé tells
us that he has four children and is both a Cubmaster for the Boy Scouts and a
youth baseball and basketball coach. He currently occupies a tenured seat on
the United States Court of Appeals. As an assistant attorney general, he was
the author of the Aug. 1, 2002, memo
endorsing in lengthy, prurient detail interrogation “techniques” like
“facial slap (insult slap)” and “insects placed in a confinement box.” He
proposed using 10 such techniques “in some sort of escalating fashion,
culminating with the waterboard, though not necessarily ending with
this technique.” Waterboarding, the near-drowning favored by Pol Pot and the
Spanish Inquisition, was prosecuted by the United States in war-crimes trials
after World War II. But Bybee concluded that it “does not, in our view, inflict
‘severe pain or suffering.’ ”Still,
it’s not Bybee’s perverted lawyering and pornographic amorality that
make his memo worthy of special attention. It merits a closer look
because it actually does add something new — and, even after all we’ve
heard, something shocking — to the five-year-old torture narrative.
When placed in
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mary Jane?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote: How'd youse describe the smell of Mary Jane? Well, just learned(?) it smells like sage (salvia?) when burned... :0
[FairfieldLife] Shemp Alert! Industry Ignored Its Scientists on Climate - NYTimes.com
The gist of the article is that scientists working for the oil, coal, and auto industries made it clear to executives that man-made climate change is real, but as with the tobacco industry, executives chose to lie to the public out of greed and short-sightedness. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/24/science/earth/24deny.html?_r=1 http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/24/science/earth/24deny.html?_r=1hp hp The scientific basis for the Greenhouse Effect and the potential impact of human emissions of greenhouse gases such as CO2 on climate is well established and cannot be denied.
[FairfieldLife] Iowa gives Obama it's verdict
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/apr/26/barack-obama-iowa-greener-america
[FairfieldLife] Re: On The Program and Off The Program
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: There is, after all, nowhere one can go to obtain a formal definition of what On The Program means. It's not written down in any Human Resources manual that contains the rules imposed on teachers of TM and/or mere practitioners of the TM technique. Well. Times have changed a bit. It's not exactly a Human Resources manual, but it is a 14 page Overview of Policies and Procedures document for Recertified Governors. According to the file history at Wikileaks.org, it was added there a few days ago, and then the link to it showed up in the TM-Free Blog's sitemeter referral logs. http://tinyurl.com/governor-recert-policies It includes things like a six hour a day program requirement for fulltime Governors, insistence that Ladies teach Ladies and men teach men, and an admonition to not take help from medical Drs. as medical professionals give poison. So I suppose that even though that last was in the context of marketing to TM, presumably going to medical doctors for personal help is likewise off-program. The main author of this document appears to be Kingsley Brooks, who ran the Natural Law Party in the U.S. and is now, or was (who can keep track?) the Raja of Northeast Vedic America. I feel like I need to take a bath after typing titles like that.
[FairfieldLife] 'Bush's Neo's Tortured Zubaydah for False Confession'
Bybee gave the green light, torture followed: Zubaydah was water-boarded at least 83 times in August 2002... Why so intense? Because they wanted a 'False Confession'. They wanted him to lie to them about the supposed 'Saddam Connection'... They were obsessed with 'The Saddam Show'... So, we see, that they(many in the Bush administration...(including Ms.Condo Ricaroni) Perhaps they, were in some kind of homo-sexual type of Texas/Wyoming Torture to Death blantantly evil embrace, to see: Who Among Them could be the Bestest Spanish Conquistadors Inquisitors???(Vie haft our ways..., Fraulein, veer AR yurt papers?) NOt a Laughing matter, is it? R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfr...@... wrote: snip See, I am the eternal (man, why didn't you just go all the way and call yourself GOD) the thing is, WillyTex really IS nuts. This is not just my opinion, by the way. Let's ask Judy. Judy...want to speak up on the state of Willy Tex's mental health? He's pretty strange, but I don't think his penchnt for entertaining himself by trolling and putting people on qualifies him as mentally ill. It's quite clear to those of us who've observed his behavior for many years that he doesn't actually believe his own nonsense; he just gets off on freaking folks out who take him seriously. He rationalizes this by thinking of himself as a kind of crazy wisdom trickster, i.e., one who appears crazy but is actually conveying a higher wisdom by challenging people's attachment to mundane reality. Whether he's successful at this or is just indulging his own ego is another question entirely. Me, I suspect he's subconsciously afraid he'll be rejected as a serious person if he puts himself out there as such, so he deliberately sabotages that possibility. Which is actually a shame, because he *does* have a lot of genuine knowledge and understanding to contribute. Every once in a while you'll see a bit of it in his posts.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
On Apr 26, 2009, at 2:07 AM, geezerfreak wrote: You worked at Pac Pal? So did I, but that was right before terms like vedic atom were being used. (How many parents got calls from their kid announcing that they were now part of a vedic atom?) The Council of Supreme Intelligence. So 50's SciFi! No kidding--you almost expect Green Lantern and Red Flash to jump out and start fighting Lex Luther or something when you hear those silly terms used. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Ruth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfr...@... wrote: snip I had to do some fast talking to, for instance, get approved to become a teacher of special techniques. Did you by any chance teach a weekend special techniques course at Livingston Manor in 1976? Are you a big tallish guy with dark hair?
[FairfieldLife] The Ultimate TB Test (was Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: snip My point, Lawson, is that you dodged the question, as did Judy. She said something completely different, and *claimed* that she had answered the question. Here's what I said to Geeze, before I had even seen Barry's demand: We all make our best guess on the basis of our intellect and experience. We may have somewhat similar experiences of the externals, but we may interpret those experiences differently. Maybe we're right, maybe we're wrong. But to suggest only *one* interpretation is a function of using one's noggin makes no sense. You don't have any more of a lock on The Truth than the TMers do. I don't believe much of anything; that's why I refer to my support of TM and its teachings as working hypotheses. snip All that you would be doing is admitting the *possibility* that you could be wrong, and I don't think you can do it. That's my theory. Prove me wrong. Done. (Note, by the way, that Barry phrases his demand as obnoxiously as he possibly can, hoping that will dissuade anybody from responding according to his dictates, and he can then triumphantly proclaim his theory has been proved.)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
On Apr 26, 2009, at 2:51 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Is it possible that you turned down someone's application because the unidentified voice on the other end of the phone said to out of spite, or because he thought that they might have once seen another spiritual teacher or done some- thing Off The Program? If so, and someone was discriminated against and kept away from a course that even YOU would have to believe would be beneficial for them, does this present a case for YOUR unfounded beliefs being a tad harmful to someone else? Or is their experience of YOU turning them down all their experience, not yours? I'm looking forward to this answer too, as this happened fairly often, from what I recall. It was especially evil when one spouse would be accepted, but not the other. That's basically breaking up families, forcing people to choose, triangulating them. And it's interesting, isn't it, that that kind of behavior was not only tolerated, it was usually exalted as keeping the knowledge pure or whatever other BS phrase they used, while attempting to save marriages or relationships by seeking counseling was condemned, as far as I know, always--no exceptions. Quite a system of ethics there, eh? So I too am wondering about Raunch's answer, and whether or not the dismay/ anxiety of others being turned away for reasons the TMO never even had the decency to own up to (undoubtedly because they didn't actually *have* any reasons, or they were too lame for anyone to own up to) had any effect on her other than, Well, it's not *my* problem, why should I worry? Good question, Barry. I'm not holding my breath waiting for the answer, though. I'm SURE you can make a case for I was just doing my job, and following orders. But you don't even know WHOSE orders you were follow- ing. Do you not see something vaguely remin- iscent of Germany during WWII about this, where good Germans sent Jews somewhere (they didn't care where) because some unidentified male voice told them to? I believe even the Nazis identified themselves. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Movies To Look Forward To
Timo's Movie Trailers, a torrent feed of movie previews, had been silent for a while. It made up for it today, and here are a few that look well worth seeing: Taking Woodstock -- Ang Lee's movie about the back story of the Woodstock Festival. Unmissable. Outrage -- Academy Award-nominated documentarian Kirby Dick is mad and he's not going to take it any more. So he's made a film outing the American poli- ticians, 90% of them Republican, who spend their days on Capital Hill supporting anti-gay organizations and legislation, and spend their nights being gay themselves. While on the whole I'm not a fan of outing, in the case of lawmakers who use their position to fight against their own kind are an exception. I hope Kirby does to these hypocrites in public what they do to other men in private. Coco avant Chanel -- They had me at Audrey Tautou. I would see anything she is in, but seeing her por- tray fashion icon Coco Chanel makes it unmissable. The Girlfriend Experience -- Given recent discus- sions here of hookers, call girls, and Dollhouse, Steven Soderberg's film about a high-end Manhattan call girl trying to balance the needs of her boyfriend, her clients, and her work should be interesting. Starring Sasha Grey, who is from the world of...uh...adult film. Antichrist -- I've told you about my bumper sticker; they would have had me at the title, but then I noticed that it stars Charlotte Gainsbourg and is directed by Lars von Trier and it was a done deal. The Boat That Rocked -- A flashback to the wonderful days of pirate radio in the UK, broadcasting the music that the BBC would not allow from boats offshore. Starring Philip Seymour Hoffman, Kenneth Branagh, Gemma Arterton, Bill Nighy, and January Jones (from Mad Men), it recently got the best review that my French movie magazines have given out in months. Oceans -- What appears to be a specfuckingtacular big-screen look at the other part of the rock we live on, the part we can't walk on. Paper Heart -- A movie about a young girl who does not believe in love traveling around filming a docu- mentary to prove it doesn't exist, and falling in love. Looks very sweet. Downloading Nancy -- This one looks dark, possibly darker in that it is supposedly based on true events, about a woman who orders a man she's met over the Internet to kill her, but they wind up falling in love instead. I probably wouldn't bother except that it stars Maria Bello, and she is consistently great in everything she's in. Also stars Jason Patric, Rufus Sewell, and Amy Brenneman, so how bad can it be? (500) Days Of Summer -- Looks just too sweet to pass up. Joseph Gordon-Levitt (so good in The Lookout and Killshot) falling in love with Zooey Deschanel. And who wouldn't?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
On Apr 26, 2009, at 4:28 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Perhaps you have a different way of explaining why you agreed to such an artificial lifestyle if you were NOT following orders and trying to fit into Maharishi's culture. As you said earlier, I report, you decide. Please report on this seeming contradiction. The Vedic Atom in the town I was living in at the time lived right at the TM Center, slept on the floors, etc. Barry, your questions are great, and very thought-provoking. Mine are much more prosaic...I was wondering then, and I still wonder...where TF did they take showers?? And how do 10 or so people get washed up in one or two tiny sinks. Rick, where did you and the guys take showers? Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Apr 26, 2009, at 2:51 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Is it possible that you turned down someone's application because the unidentified voice on the other end of the phone said to out of spite, or because he thought that they might have once seen another spiritual teacher or done some- thing Off The Program? If so, and someone was discriminated against and kept away from a course that even YOU would have to believe would be beneficial for them, does this present a case for YOUR unfounded beliefs being a tad harmful to someone else? Or is their experience of YOU turning them down all their experience, not yours? I'm looking forward to this answer too, as this happened fairly often, from what I recall. It was especially evil when one spouse would be accepted, but not the other. That's basically breaking up families, forcing people to choose, triangulating them. And it's interesting, isn't it, that that kind of behavior was not only tolerated, it was usually exalted as keeping the knowledge pure or whatever other BS phrase they used, while attempting to save marriages or relationships by seeking counseling was condemned, as far as I know, always--no exceptions. Quite a system of ethics there, eh? So I too am wondering about Raunch's answer, and whether or not the dismay/ anxiety of others being turned away for reasons the TMO never even had the decency to own up to (undoubtedly because they didn't actually *have* any reasons, or they were too lame for anyone to own up to) had any effect on her other than, Well, it's not *my* problem, why should I worry? Good question, Barry. I'm not holding my breath waiting for the answer, though. I'm SURE you can make a case for I was just doing my job, and following orders. But you don't even know WHOSE orders you were follow- ing. Do you not see something vaguely remin- iscent of Germany during WWII about this, where good Germans sent Jews somewhere (they didn't care where) because some unidentified male voice told them to? I believe even the Nazis identified themselves. Sal Reminds me of a dark song, my step-son wrote, some years back, when he was going through some kind of rebellious period. 'Why We Did It, 'cause Charlie said' Why we done it?... 'cause Charlie said, Why we did it?... 'cause Charlie said... Charlie said, Charlie said, Charlie said... (repeat) more loudly, then scream loudly while playing hard-core hard heavy metal, with no harmony whatsoever. R.G.
[FairfieldLife] The Ultimate TB Test (was Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip My point, Lawson, is that you dodged the question, as did Judy. She said something completely different, and *claimed* that she had answered the question. Here's what I said to Geeze, before I had even seen Barry's demand: We all make our best guess on the basis of our intellect and experience. We may have somewhat similar experiences of the externals, but we may interpret those experiences differently. Maybe we're right, maybe we're wrong. But to suggest only *one* interpretation is a function of using one's noggin makes no sense. You don't have any more of a lock on The Truth than the TMers do. I don't believe much of anything; that's why I refer to my support of TM and its teachings as working hypotheses. snip All that you would be doing is admitting the *possibility* that you could be wrong, and I don't think you can do it. That's my theory. Prove me wrong. Done. NOT done. Type the words: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip My point, Lawson, is that you dodged the question, as did Judy. She said something completely different, and *claimed* that she had answered the question. Here's what I said to Geeze, before I had even seen Barry's demand: We all make our best guess on the basis of our intellect and experience. We may have somewhat similar experiences of the externals, but we may interpret those experiences differently. Maybe we're right, maybe we're wrong. But to suggest only *one* interpretation is a function of using one's noggin makes no sense. You don't have any more of a lock on The Truth than the TMers do. I don't believe much of anything; that's why I refer to my support of TM and its teachings as working hypotheses. snip All that you would be doing is admitting the *possibility* that you could be wrong, and I don't think you can do it. That's my theory. Prove me wrong. Done. NOT done. Type the words: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip My point, Lawson, is that you dodged the question, as did Judy. She said something completely different, and *claimed* that she had answered the question. Here's what I said to Geeze, before I had even seen Barry's demand: We all make our best guess on the basis of our intellect and experience. We may have somewhat similar experiences of the externals, but we may interpret those experiences differently. Maybe we're right, maybe we're wrong. But to suggest only *one* interpretation is a function of using one's noggin makes no sense. You don't have any more of a lock on The Truth than the TMers do. I don't believe much of anything; that's why I refer to my support of TM and its teachings as working hypotheses. snip All that you would be doing is admitting the *possibility* that you could be wrong, and I don't think you can do it. That's my theory. Prove me wrong. Done. NOT done. Type the words you so carefully snipped: There is a possibility that the TM critics here are right and I am wrong. and press Send. THEN you'll be done. Until you do that, you have not replied to the test as stated; you have talked around it and evaded responding to it as stated. If you honestly consider what you wrote *equivalent* to There is a possibility that the TM critics here are right and I am wrong, you should have no problem typing those words in and pressing Send. Right? We'll wait.
[FairfieldLife] The Ultimate TB Test (was Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews)
Oooops. What was supposed to be a paste in the right version and delete the wrong version turned out to be paste in multiple versions of the post. My bad. Here's the only one that should have been posted: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip My point, Lawson, is that you dodged the question, as did Judy. She said something completely different, and *claimed* that she had answered the question. Here's what I said to Geeze, before I had even seen Barry's demand: We all make our best guess on the basis of our intellect and experience. We may have somewhat similar experiences of the externals, but we may interpret those experiences differently. Maybe we're right, maybe we're wrong. But to suggest only *one* interpretation is a function of using one's noggin makes no sense. You don't have any more of a lock on The Truth than the TMers do. I don't believe much of anything; that's why I refer to my support of TM and its teachings as working hypotheses. snip All that you would be doing is admitting the *possibility* that you could be wrong, and I don't think you can do it. That's my theory. Prove me wrong. Done. NOT done. Type the words you so carefully snipped: There is a possibility that the TM critics here are right and I am wrong. and press Send. THEN you'll be done. Until you do that, you have not replied to the test as stated; you have talked around it and evaded responding to it as stated. If you honestly consider what you wrote *equivalent* to There is a possibility that the TM critics here are right and I am wrong, you should have no problem typing those words in and pressing Send. Right? We'll wait.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
Your name is not on the list of TM teachers in good standing. There is no geezerfreak on the list. What else do you want to know? geezer wrote: Not a thing Willy boy. Boo, in case it's not obvious this fella is nuttier than a fruitcake. You paid good money for a nonsense gibberish sound; you paid good money to sit around for six months doing nothing on a TTC; you paid good money for numerous CCPs; you paid good money to learn how to fly; you shilled for the Marshy for twenty-five years, selling water down by the river, but I'm the fruitcake? Trying to dialog with him is useless. Now you're totally discredited; you've been banned from the MUM campus; your name is mud all over Fairfield, IA; you spend most of your time monitoring a anti- TM internet news group; your name isn't even on the TMO mailing list. I'll to have to ask Ned Wynn about it since I believe he knew Willy at one point back there Your only friend is a guy named boo and another old geezer named Ned, but I'm the damaged one? Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum gods don't deserve your faith
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: http://www.sott.net/articles/show/182746-Quantum-gods-don-t-deserve-your-faith And she was a bit off in what she said. Also see my comment on her blog. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] The Ultimate TB Test (was Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: [...] My point is that I don't think either of you, or *anyone* on the original list of TM defenders, can type the words: There is a possibility that the TM critics here are right and I am wrong. Ah jeeze, I'm the guy that once posted on amt that for all I knew MMY was the biggest asshole who ever lived, and you think I'm not able to type the above? and press Send. I think that something in you is so programmed that you cannot do it. All that you would be doing is admitting the *possibility* that you could be wrong, and I don't think you can do it. That's my theory. Prove me wrong. No. As I said, Yes, I haven't stopped beating my wife [yet]. L.
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Ruth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of geezerfreak Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 11:01 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Ruth Sister Raunchcan I ask you something? Do you think that there is a possibility that your faith in Maharishi and in the rightness of his movement, might be a mistake? In other words, can you consider the possibility (just the possibility) that what you believe with all of your heart, about Maharishi and his movement, could be completely wrong? Is it possible? As I've already stated, when I made the decision to leave the TMO, I did so knowing that I could be completely wrong, that I may have made the biggest mistake of my life. Now...in the nearly 30 years that have followed, everything I experience tells me otherwise. But to this day, I really don't know! I like going with my instincts, I really do. I like knowing that I could be wrong. I like the not knowing! Sorry for the diversion and back to my question to you. Is it possible? Geez, why does your decision have to have been completely right or completely wrong? The Movement always has been a mixed bag, as have we. Both it and we have good and bad qualities. You have a great career which you wouldn't have had if you had remained full time in the movement. Most people who remained full time have little to show for it, either in terms of any great spiritual advantage, and certainly not materially. One scenario might have been to have distanced yourself, but occasionally attended courses, but you could probably do that now. Well said, Rick. L.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp Alert! Industry Ignored Its Scientists on Climate - NYTimes.com
...this is one of the reasons why the New York Times is on the brink of bankruptcy. This is a propaganda piece, through and through. Here's just one gem: The coalition was financed by fees from large corporations and trade groups representing the oil, coal and auto industries, among others. In 1997, the year an international climate agreement that came to be known as the Kyoto Protocol was negotiated, its budget totaled $1.68 million, according to tax records obtained by environmental groups. $1.68 million is, simply, chicken-feed. Compare that to the 10s of Billions (that's billions with a b) that the federal government gives out in grants that are meant to provide evidence for global warming (you won't get a grant unless that will be the obvious outcome). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: The gist of the article is that scientists working for the oil, coal, and auto industries made it clear to executives that man-made climate change is real, but as with the tobacco industry, executives chose to lie to the public out of greed and short-sightedness. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/24/science/earth/24deny.html?_r=1 http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/24/science/earth/24deny.html?_r=1hp hp The scientific basis for the Greenhouse Effect and the potential impact of human emissions of greenhouse gases such as CO2 on climate is well established and cannot be denied.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes...@... wrote: [...] It always fascinated me that people would excuse all sorts of outrageous, even illegal behaviour. Partly they were scared of rocking the boat but mainly because they thought Marshy could do no wrong and that reality was sometimes out of step with the movement. Someone said that to me once, seriously. Funny eh? That last is a perfectly valid perspective if you think that the current reality has some flaws that the TMO could somehow correct. Surely you agree that the current reality doesn't always seem perfect? So obviously its the other sie of the argument that you object to. Of course in a Type I or above multiverse, ALL realities exist anyway... This just happens to be the one that we can perceive. Lawson L.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum gods don't deserve your faith
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig lengli...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: http://www.sott.net/articles/show/182746-Quantum-gods-don-t-deserve-your-faith And she was a bit off in what she said. Also see my comment on her blog. I would if I could find it! I finally found the blog, but I couldn't find a related entry. Can you provide the URL, please?
[FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
Raunchy, Your post showed such a tolerance for my different view, respect for me a person who holds such different views, and without a shred of making me wrong for holding them, I am moved. Love and respect back at ya. I have no doubt that given some almond chocolate biscottis and something warm to dip them in, we would enjoy an fascinating conversation on where we are drawing are different lines on this funnhouse mirror we call reality. You have written for me an excellent reputation to live up to, I will do my best! Curtis labeled himself as a cynic. I labeled myself as an idealist. In between, we live in shades of gray. The cynic who insists the world is black or white, does indeed live to crush idealism. There isn't any wiggle room in their life for beauty, magic and surrender of the heart. It makes them feel ill. If someone says they believe in unicorns, the cynic's blood boils with excitement at the thought of packing the unicorn believer into a box and sending them off to the trash compactor. Curtis is not a cynic who lives in a black and white world. He is an idealistic cynic, a purist, a magnanimous spirit, confident enough in himself to treat the unicorn believer with respect. When it comes to Maharishi and I wear my heart on my sleeve, I am well aware that I have made myself a target for derision from cynics living in the world of black and white. Curtis trusts his instincts, has a genuine interest in truthful self-inquiry and courageous go-it-alone attitude about his spiritual path. I respect his choice. I choose differently. Maharishi never failed or mislead me. I have always felt confident in his direction. There is no right or wrong in any of this. Curtis loves his spiritual path and I love mine. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives boo_lives@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: Well put Curtis. Raunch's comments are so out of touch with the reality of what happened that I just throw my hands up and move on, putting a mental check mark of cultwhipped in the Raunch column. There's no reasoning with folk this far gone IMO but I give you huge credit for your amazing patience and ability to attempt reason when the chances of understanding are nil. I wanna be like you when I grow up. No virtue here Geezer, I like Raunchy. She expresses the kind of heart that I relate to and seems to care about people's feelings in her posts. Plus without her willingness to write in detail about movement beliefs I wouldn't have the opportunities to run my cynical bastard routine! And I love's my cynical bastard routine! Thanks for the CD plug brother. I heading over to Florence for two weeks starting Tuesday to do a little busking and hopefully see the insides of more churches than Italian jails! A little Delta by the Duomo! Right, whether we choose cynicism or idealism, it is still a choice. It's interesting that cynicism is just as invested in crushing idealism as the idealist is in ignoring the hysteria underlying the cautions of the cynic. Ha Ha if you believe THAT, then you must think pigs can fly. Sister, you are in serious need of cult deprogramming. So certain, the cynic of his beliefs, so superior in his wisdom of caution, he never stops to think he might be to one in need of deprogramming. spot on- the cynics are not above the naivete of the idealist, just 180 degrees opposed. they have exactly same emotional attachment in being rock solid in their assumptions, and desire to fix the outcome of the object in question- in this case the practice of TM. the cynic and the idealist (or 'TB' and 'anti-TB') are both attempting to do the same thing, predict the future by eliminating ambiguity, and resist change. 2 people each with over 30 yrs experience practicing tm and working within the tmo or living in ffld have a discussion here about their disappointments and dislikes regarding their experiences with the tmo and immediately another person feels the fervent need to come into that discussion and label them cynics trying to crush all good and idealism in the world. sorry, that is not a distinction between cynics and idealists, but just a fundamentalist getting pissed off that someone left their sect. someone who pooh poohs tm because they think MMY laughs funny or because all meditation is flaky is a cynic, not someone sincerely discussing their 30 yrs experience. and
[FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
Trying to dialog with him is useless... L.Shaddai wrote: Why don't we just add to the homepage of FFL that the main purpose of the group is to sling nastygrams at each other? Is this your nastygrams contribution? That anyone who joins has nothing better to do with his/her time (and karma) than to call others nasty names and characterize them in the worse possible way? You fukin' idiot - I didn't give them the name geezerfreak and boo! I guess they are too embarrassed to reveal their real names - I don't blame them - I'd hide too. But I'm sure the TMO knows who they are, since their names aren't on the list. I guess they don't have a dome badge anymore - I wouldn't be surprised if they were banned from the MUM campus. From what I've heard, these two informants don't even get TMO mailouts anymore. When I asked about them at the TM Center, they said they never even heard of them. Does anyone here have a concept of this thing called karma? Now I am characterized as being a hateful, deranged individual, yet I try whenever possible to avoid conflict unless really pushed. But all of these people here who are holier than I am somehow don't get Matt. 7:1. Yet they tell each other how much more evolved they are than the others here. In typical FFL fashion, a person who posted here that he wasn't happy with me couldn't take my reply that that's life and my feelings weren't hurt as an end of our exchange. He had to use a private email to tear me a new asshole and tell me that I'd have to suffer living in my hate for the rest of my life. Gosh. I wasn't even told such things at Our Lady of The Inquisition Catholic School when I was growing up. I replied back that I'm not suffering. Life's a ball and it's getting better day by day. I pointed out that the motive behind his email was *to vent his hate towards me*. I'm sure he didn't get it, as he can only see people one way: fitting into his expectations or not. Yeah, that shows how far along on the path he is. I forgave him. That's how hateful I was toward him. Would there actually be anything to post here if the main purpose of posting wasn't to engage in the Eric Berne game Now I've Got You, You Son of a Bitch? Very impressive, Mr. Shaddai!
[FairfieldLife] Re: On The Program and Off The Program
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Doughney m...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: There is, after all, nowhere one can go to obtain a formal definition of what On The Program means. It's not written down in any Human Resources manual that contains the rules imposed on teachers of TM and/or mere practitioners of the TM technique. Well. Times have changed a bit. It's not exactly a Human Resources manual, but it is a 14 page Overview of Policies and Procedures document for Recertified Governors. According to the file history at Wikileaks.org, it was added there a few days ago, and then the link to it showed up in the TM-Free Blog's sitemeter referral logs. http://tinyurl.com/governor-recert-policies It includes things like a six hour a day program requirement for fulltime Governors, insistence that Ladies teach Ladies and men teach men, and an admonition to not take help from medical Drs. as medical professionals give poison. So I suppose that even though that last was in the context of marketing to TM, presumably going to medical doctors for personal help is likewise off-program. The main author of this document appears to be Kingsley Brooks, who ran the Natural Law Party in the U.S. and is now, or was (who can keep track?) the Raja of Northeast Vedic America. I feel like I need to take a bath after typing titles like that. I couldn't tell you about what recerted TM teachers are expected to do or not do if they get a broken leg, but seeing how thy DO use doctors who are part of the TM Family to promote TM, it seems that either this document isn't an accurate portrayal of the recertification stance or that portions of it are no longer operational. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: The GOP: divorced from reality - by Bill Maher
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfr...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: The Republican base is behaving like a guy who just got dumped by his wife It's sad what's happened to the Republicans. They used to be the party of the big tent; now they're the party of the sideshow attraction, a socially awkward group of mostly white people who speak a language only they understand. If conservatives don't want to be seen as bitter people who cling to their guns and religion and anti-immigrant sentiments, they should stop being bitter and clinging to their guns, religion and anti-immigrant sentiments. snip http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-maher24-2009apr24,0,927819.story?=niradgrules Thanks Doc! Maher manages to hit the nail square on while being funny as hell. Fortunately it is only an opinion and, with the first amendment still hanging on, we don't have to believe it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum gods don't deserve your faith
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: http://www.sott.net/articles/show/182746-Quantum-gods-don-t-deserve-your-faith And she was a bit off in what she said. Also see my comment on her blog. I would if I could find it! I finally found the blog, but I couldn't find a related entry. Can you provide the URL, please? http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20227041.600-quantum-gods-dont-deserve-your-faith.html My comment is about page 5 or 6. The quote from MMY about material and spiritual values. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] The Ultimate TB Test (was Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: Oooops. What was supposed to be a paste in the right version and delete the wrong version turned out to be paste in multiple versions of the post. My bad. Here's the only one that should have been posted: Took you four tries to get it right? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip My point, Lawson, is that you dodged the question, as did Judy. She said something completely different, and *claimed* that she had answered the question. Here's what I said to Geeze, before I had even seen Barry's demand: We all make our best guess on the basis of our intellect and experience. We may have somewhat similar experiences of the externals, but we may interpret those experiences differently. Maybe we're right, maybe we're wrong. But to suggest only *one* interpretation is a function of using one's noggin makes no sense. You don't have any more of a lock on The Truth than the TMers do. I don't believe much of anything; that's why I refer to my support of TM and its teachings as working hypotheses. snip All that you would be doing is admitting the *possibility* that you could be wrong, and I don't think you can do it. That's my theory. Prove me wrong. Done. NOT done. Done. I've admitted the possibility that I could be wrong, thus proving wrong your theory that I can't do it. Type the words you so carefully snipped: There is a possibility that the TM critics here are right and I am wrong. and press Send. THEN you'll be done. Until you do that, you have not replied to the test as stated; you have talked around it and evaded responding to it as stated. Nope. I've *refused* to respond to your test as stated because (a) I don't respond to such self-aggrandizing demands as a matter of principle (as you konw), and (b) because I responded before you even thought up your test. Oh, and (c), because you *already knew* I've always admitted the possibility that I could be wrong, so your whole routine here is (no surprise) disingenuous. And (d), because it's obviously not a test of whether I can admit I could be wrong, but rather of whether you can force me to do something by threatening to call me a coward if I don't. You can't, sorry. If you honestly consider what you wrote *equivalent* to There is a possibility that the TM critics here are right and I am wrong, you should have no problem typing those words in and pressing Send. Right? Wrong. But not for the reason you claim. As I wrote (and you snipped): Note, by the way, that Barry phrases his demand as obnoxiously as he possibly can, hoping that will dissuade anybody from responding according to his dictates, and he can then triumphantly proclaim his theory has been proved. He's done the former, but his claim to have done the latter is transparently false.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_re...@... wrote: Nicely said Raunchy. Curtis comes off to me as a skeptic, rather than as a cynic, but not closed minded. There is a difference between skepticism and closedmindetudiness (to use a Curtis type word). Thanks for an uplifting post and as I said to Rauncy, I will try to live up to it. I used the term cynical bastard which had more of a Muppet quality for me. When I use the term cynic I mean it in the modern reduced version from its Greek philosophical origins. It assumes that people act according to their own self interest. It provides the physiological counterpoint to follow the money in cutting through the hype of organizations. It leads me to assume that a person with as much absolute power as Maharishi had, probably used it, i.e. got rich, lived well, banged a few adoring... But going back to the Greek philosophers, it gets way more interesting. Here is a Wiki summary of their principles: 1. The goal of life is happiness which is to live in agreement with Nature. 2. Happiness depends on being self-sufficient, and a master of mental attitude. 3. Self-sufficiency is achieved by living a life of Virtue. 4. The road to virtue is to free oneself from any influence such as wealth, fame, or power, which have no value in Nature. 5. Suffering is caused by false judgments of value, which cause negative emotions and a vicious character. It could be a manual for Purusha! It also sounds remarkably idealistic doesn't it? Those clever Greeks with their delicious sheep milk Feta cheese, their Kalamata olives and olive oil, their Metaxa brandy and their Asperger's syndrome-like fixation on philosophy in maddening detail...I love that culture. Some day I'm gunna rent one of the totally white, tiled open villas nestled in the rocks of a Greek island surrounded by that blue blue water we see in all those Greek Island tourist posters, and sit with a bottle of Metaxa and Plato's dialogues and let Socrates blow my mind, again. (I will, however, lock my door on the old queen so I can sleep without being initiated into ALL of the Greek mysteries!) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: Curtis is not a cynic who lives in a black and white world. He is an idealistic cynic, a purist, a magnanimous spirit, confident enough in himself to treat the unicorn believer with respect. When it comes to Maharishi and I wear my heart on my sleeve, I am well aware that I have made myself a target for derision from cynics living in the world of black and white. Curtis trusts his instincts, has a genuine interest in truthful self-inquiry and courageous go-it-alone attitude about his spiritual path. I respect his choice. I choose differently. Maharishi never failed or mislead me. I have always felt confident in his direction. There is no right or wrong in any of this. Curtis loves his spiritual path and I love mine. Nicely said Raunchy. Curtis comes off to me as a skeptic, rather than as a cynic, but not closed minded. There is a difference between skepticism and closedmindetudiness (to use a Curtis type word). Well actually I used the term cynical bastard which had more of a Muppet quality for me. When I use the term cynic I mean it in the modern reduced version from its Greek philosophical origins. It assumes that people act according to their own self interest. It provides the physcoligical counterpoint to
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum gods don't deserve your faith
On Apr 26, 2009, at 10:25 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: http://www.sott.net/articles/show/182746-Quantum-gods-don-t-deserve-your-faith And she was a bit off in what she said. Also see my comment on her blog. Lawson The letter smay be off, but the spirit of her repsonse is head on. Better to read the book. It's great to see someone finally debunking this quantum bullshit. It was an interesting idea for a while.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
Now I've Got You, You Son of a Bitch? geezerfreak wrote: See, I am the eternal (man, why didn't you just go all the way and call yourself GOD) the thing is, WillyTex really IS nuts. You're still living in a trailer house in Fairfield, IA; trying to get into the women's dome; posting incessantly on the internet to an anti-TM news group, to a guy named boo and another named God, but I'm nuts? This is not just my opinion, by the way. But, why isn't your name on the TMO mailing list? You seem to be really interested in the TMers and their comings and goings. Just askin'. Let's ask Judy. Judy...want to speak up on the state of Willy Tex's mental health? Run to Mommy, run - see a geezer run.
[FairfieldLife] Re: On The Program and Off The Program
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Doughney m...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: There is, after all, nowhere one can go to obtain a formal definition of what On The Program means. It's not written down in any Human Resources manual that contains the rules imposed on teachers of TM and/or mere practitioners of the TM technique. Well. Times have changed a bit. It's not exactly a Human Resources manual, but it is a 14 page Overview of Policies and Procedures document for Recertified Governors. According to the file history at Wikileaks.org, it was added there a few days ago, and then the link to it showed up in the TM-Free Blog's sitemeter referral logs. http://tinyurl.com/governor-recert-policies It includes things like a six hour a day program requirement for fulltime Governors, insistence that Ladies teach Ladies and men teach men, and an admonition to not take help from medical Drs. as medical professionals give poison. Thanks for posting this, Mike. I, for one, simply cannot WAIT to hear how the TM defenders on this forum defend this one. That should be very amusing. I also look forward to the looks on the faces of recertified TM teachers attempting to sell the David Lynch Foundation program to a school system when one of the teachers or parents pulls out a printout of this PDF and asks them to explain it. That should be even more amusing. I might add, as a note to TM defenders like Judy who never once met Maharishi that *this* is what a TM Teacher Training Course *sounds like*, and what you missed by never having been on one. Note the careful preservation of Maharishi's broken English so that there can be no question as to who the quote comes from. Suggestions for points to defend in your ongoing quest to do so here on FFL: * Recertified Governors are only hope of the world and you are very few and must know what you are * Even spa people who touch body should start TMthe touch will be softer so they must meditate * We don't give out anything free, except personal checking (for which they have already paid). If you don't charge, wealthy people won't come. * Personnel should be simple, not creative. They have to be faithful to you * World Peace Bonds...At the end of three years the investor receives the principle plus compound interest. (It has been over three years since this was written. Has *anyone* ever received what was promised?) * Our strength is not the creativity of the people we engage. Our strength is in constant publicity. * We are not going to take help from medical Drs. as medical professionals give poison. So don't engage any medical Drs. for anything absolutely whatever it iseven if they are in our Movement family * Hold onto the fact that we are the supreme authorities on healthwe know how to create perfect healthwe are challenging all governments in world. * LMT's need to learn Transcendental Meditation technique first. It's for their personal enlightenment and world peace If LMT does not want to start TM then we do not take them. ... 2 hours of TM and TM-Sidhi program is a must for Sidha LMTs also. Tell them that their arms will be softer. * Have someone contact the town. Do it on a no-names basis. Just find out if they have any rules on health spas that offer massage. Be careful about how this is worded. Massage parlors have a bad reputation all over the US and towns don't want them. So make sure that you talk about opening a health spa. Be careful there too, though. If they think it is a medical clinic there are a whole set of rules that relate to that. * Gandharva Veda melodies help the growth of the plants as well as making them more nutritious. * We don't mind being costly as long as we are supportive to life. What we offer has to be supportive to the *Vedic* life. We have to offer that which is *most* costly: bliss, enlightenment, invincibility. * Really for peace to be enjoyed on earth, reconstruction is a VITAL POINT. Without proper Vastu there will always be problems. Those who *really* want to be peaceful in life have to live in Vastu. Those should keep you busy for a while... :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: On The Program and Off The Program
Turq, this is a fairly inclusive listing of the exclusion. Still goes on in ways in practice. Is less in scale only because there are so few who really want or need things from the movement now. Still are some parents who would like financial aid for their kids at the school. Still some who really want to participate in the dome meditation programs. Still some old faculty and staff who are dependent. Some number of folks who re-certified themselves. Still some folks taking the money paid to be on the program full-time to keep the tallies in the dome meditation up. Also still there is a larger community of old-time meditators here who may wish them well in ways, but who are not dependent in fact independent. It is just the way it has gone. Those enmeshed in the cultism in the middle of it are really quite a small number. They are only significant because they hold some keys. Obviously they are on the move again using the DLF now as a vehicle trying to teach their point and enlarge the numbers. A lot of essential well-wishing is actually on all sides, but they have their history and there is a lot of watching and waiting to see if they have changed their ways. Evidently they have not changed much. Evidently seem still can be doctrinal and tyrannical within their own position. The problems they seem to really have now is how they sit all throughout the internet. The TM research, their TM finances, this TM culture of administration. The bad seems to be their trademark. By their own actions they are manifestly in a bad presentation space. Their recent striking out at critics their muscling of trademark law seems pretty desperate on the surface. Proly they feel they are doing the right thing or doing what they have to. However, kind of shows too they are in a corner they are having troubles coming out of. I do wish them well with best regards for those parts that could be good within it. Jai Guru Dev, -Doug in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: We all know these phrases. Most of us *lived* by the phrase On The Program (presented in gold here to emphasize its goodness) or its converse Off The Program (presented in red here for obvious reasons) for years if not decades. But what are the actual DEFINITIONS of these buzzphrases? My definitions of these two phrases, based on my many years in the TM movement and several years of following its activities out of curiosity since, have to be: On The Program -- Doing what Maharishi says to do. Off The Program -- Doing anything contrary to what Maharishi says to do. It's really as simple as that in my opinion. There is, after all, nowhere one can go to obtain a formal definition of what On The Program means. It's not written down in any Human Resources manual that contains the rules imposed on teachers of TM and/or mere practitioners of the TM technique. Some (those who have written about cults) would say that this lack of definition is intentional. They would say that having a *vague* definition by which everyone in the organization is judged and measured by is almost *by definition* a cult phenomenon. For one reason, it keeps the cult out of legal trouble; if they had actually written down rules that violated state or national law, they would be in Deep Shit legally. But on another level, keeping the definition of the phrase by which all members of the organization are judged *vague* has another purpose in that it creates an atmosphere of fear. The real *purpose* of keeping the definition vague and ever-changing is to keep the members of the organization ever-fearful that they might do something wrong, and be punished for it. And, let's face it, you CAN be punished for being Off The Program in the TM movement. Thousands have been so punished. They have been denied access to TM centers and TM courses, they have been banned from the domes, they have been subjected to shunning by their fellow TMers, and they have been subjected to harassment and vitriolic attacks *for* violating this rule that *has never once been written down*. So let's write it down. What are some of the things that, in your experience, have been deemed Off The Program by people in the TM movement who *had the authority to punish you for doing them*? Here are some of the ones I've witnessed or heard of that led to threatened or actual punishment: * Living with one's girlfriend or boyfriend when you are not married. * Having Off The Program books on your book- shelves. I saw at least a dozen people in LA denied access to residence courses or TTC because of this and the previous sin. * Expressing doubts about one of Maharishi's proc- lamations. I once saw someone sent home from an ATR course because he questioned publicly that the Age Of Enlightenment had actually come to pass. * Leaving the hotel on an ATR course to go across the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum gods don't deserve your faith
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig lengli...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: http://www.sott.net/articles/show/182746-Quantum-gods-don-t-deserve-your-faith And she was a bit off in what she said. Also see my comment on her blog. I would if I could find it! I finally found the blog, but I couldn't find a related entry. Can you provide the URL, please? http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20227041.600-quantum-gods-dont-deserve-your-faith.html My comment is about page 5 or 6. The quote from MMY about material and spiritual values. Thanks. Page 4, actually. Good comment. What about her claim that (SU)5 has been falsified and therefore Hagelin was wrong, when Hagelin's theory was actually Flipped (SU)5? Has it been falsified as well, do you know? One of the other commenters claimed it hadn't been, and somebody else contradicted him/her.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: A great site
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard J. Williams Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 8:48 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A great site http://www.climatedepot.com/ 'Democrats Refuse to Allow Skeptic to Testify Alongside Gore At Congressional Hearing' Climate Depot, Thursday, April 23, 2009 http://tinyurl.com/c2jyhw At this stage of the debate, that would be like allowing the Grand Wizard of the KKK to participate in a hearing on racial equality.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum gods don't deserve your faith
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: http://www.sott.net/articles/show/182746-Quantum-gods-don-t-deserve-your-faith And she was a bit off in what she said. Also see my comment on her blog. I would if I could find it! I finally found the blog, but I couldn't find a related entry. Can you provide the URL, please? http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20227041.600-quantum-gods-dont-deserve-your-faith.html My comment is about page 5 or 6. The quote from MMY about material and spiritual values. Thanks. Page 4, actually. Good comment. Yep it's a well cherry picked quote indeed. Unfortunately Lawson forgot to mention that MMY had a habit of contradicting himself to suit his audience and for every quote like this I could find hundreds that demonstrate he believed consciousness is the *base* of all things. What about her claim that (SU)5 has been falsified and therefore Hagelin was wrong, when Hagelin's theory was actually Flipped (SU)5? Has it been falsified as well, do you know? One of the other commenters claimed it hadn't been, and somebody else contradicted him/her. su 5 has definitely been discredited as a theory. It was the first UF idea to be testable. The theory is that the symmetry break required for unification would create a detectable proton. Detectors were built deep in mines and were monitored for 25 years before the idea was abandoned as the proton never appeared. Einstein, Hawking both failed in their lifelong quest to find the UF. Perhaps I should join in this blog and tell them that John Hagelin is claiming to have finished this work. That would raise a laugh from any genuine scientists. Maybe even post a link to JHs lectures on the UF, that would be an interesting counterpoint to the nonsense coming from the TBs. But most of that is self-evidently rubbish and the author is probably astonished at the way people are underlining her point about QP without even realising it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
Let's ask Judy. Judy...want to speak up on the state of Willy Tex's mental health? Judy wrote: He's pretty strange, You've been posting on the internet for what, fifteen years or more, and I'm the strange one? Maybe so - some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to, I guess. For the record, I am still on the TMO list - I get things in the mail all the time. I'm living about a mile from the Maharishi Golden Dome of Pure Knowledge at Radiance, Texas - I am a TMer and a Citizen Sidha in good standing. Still on the program after all these years - TMer number 214 in the U.S.A., according to Beaulah Smith. That's me, the one with the silly grin on his face: http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/images/mmy64.jpg but I don't think his penchnt for entertaining himself by trolling and putting people on qualifies him as mentally ill. It's quite clear to those of us who've observed his behavior for many years that he doesn't actually believe his own nonsense; he just gets off on freaking folks out who take him seriously. He rationalizes this by thinking of himself as a kind of crazy wisdom trickster, i.e., one who appears crazy but is actually conveying a higher wisdom by challenging people's attachment to mundane reality. Whether he's successful at this or is just indulging his own ego is another question entirely. Me, I suspect he's subconsciously afraid he'll be rejected as a serious person if he puts himself out there as such, so he deliberately sabotages that possibility. Which is actually a shame, because he *does* have a lot of genuine knowledge and understanding to contribute. Every once in a while you'll see a bit of it in his posts. So, it's all about willytex? What I Did Last Summer: http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
When I agreed on to be on the Vedic Atom I freely, and willingly made a pledge, a commitment to Maharishi to take direction from him. The mission of the Atom was to establish a Capital of the Age of Enlightenment in cities assigned to the Atom. The process of forming an Atom took several days. It was like a sorority rush of everyone jockeying for which team of ten women they wanted to join. Right from the get-go, I felt the rumblings of my ego, Pick me. Don't pick her. She is my friend. She is not my friend. I like her. I don't like her. I don't know her. I want to be with her. I don't want to be with her. It was a nutty process but looking back on it, I see it as the beginning of the grandest life lesson in detachment I have ever experienced. I'll put it on a par with raising children or experiencing a challenging relationship. You learn to observe the needs of your ego over the needs of other egos and you either pick your battles or let it go. The Vedic Atom was my mirror. Whatever I said or did, thought or felt was a reflection me looking at myself and owning whatever I saw. Who was that pretty girl in that mirror, there? Who could that attractive girl be? Just little ol' me clinging to my ego's small self, believing my reality was the more important than anyone else's was in the whole wide world. Every time I emerged from the mirror, I felt another layer of ego had been stripped away. After the snake sheds his skin, he is all shiny-new and feeling a little raw. As I've said, it wasn't easy. I ended up on a team of perhaps the most experienced and brilliant TM teachers I have ever had the privileged to know. Maharishi knew most of them personally from previous courses and wanted our team to have the most sought after TM center in the country, PAC Pal. After we formed our teams, about 10 or 12, we had a big send-off celebration in the dome where we actually made a pledge. Part of the pledge was to agree on everything. I took this impossible task to heart and decided to give it my all. Simply put, it was a prescription for surrendering your ego or drive yourself crazy resisting the process. By the time we completed the formation of the Vedic I knew exactly the nature of my commitment. I could have backed out at anytime. But I didn't. I chose to follow my heart into to the mystery of I don't know and what an amazing journey it was.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote: Let's ask Judy. Judy...want to speak up on the state of Willy Tex's mental health? Judy wrote: He's pretty strange, You've been posting on the internet for what, fifteen years or more, and I'm the strange one? Maybe so - some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to, I guess. For the record, I am still on the TMO list - I get things in the mail all the time. I'm living about a mile from the Maharishi Golden Dome of Pure Knowledge at Radiance, Texas - I am a TMer and a Citizen Sidha in good standing. Still on the program after all these years - TMer number 214 in the U.S.A., according to Beaulah Smith. That's me, the one with the silly grin on his face: What, holding the flower? http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/images/mmy64.jpg but I don't think his penchnt for entertaining himself by trolling and putting people on qualifies him as mentally ill. It's quite clear to those of us who've observed his behavior for many years that he doesn't actually believe his own nonsense; he just gets off on freaking folks out who take him seriously. He rationalizes this by thinking of himself as a kind of crazy wisdom trickster, i.e., one who appears crazy but is actually conveying a higher wisdom by challenging people's attachment to mundane reality. Whether he's successful at this or is just indulging his own ego is another question entirely. Me, I suspect he's subconsciously afraid he'll be rejected as a serious person if he puts himself out there as such, so he deliberately sabotages that possibility. Which is actually a shame, because he *does* have a lot of genuine knowledge and understanding to contribute. Every once in a while you'll see a bit of it in his posts. So, it's all about willytex? What I Did Last Summer: http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum gods don't deserve your faith
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: http://www.sott.net/articles/show/182746-Quantum-gods-don-t-deserve-your-faith And she was a bit off in what she said. Also see my comment on her blog. I would if I could find it! I finally found the blog, but I couldn't find a related entry. Can you provide the URL, please? http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20227041.600-quantum-gods-dont-deserve-your-faith.html My comment is about page 5 or 6. The quote from MMY about material and spiritual values. Thanks. Page 4, actually. Good comment. Yep it's a well cherry picked quote indeed. Unfortunately Lawson forgot to mention that MMY had a habit of contradicting himself to suit his audience and for every quote like this I could find hundreds that demonstrate he believed consciousness is the *base* of all things. Lawson said that too: The more controversial claim that MMY makes is that behind all of material existence, lies 'universal consciousness'--did you miss it? On the other hand, I'm not sure why you think the longer quote contradicts the notion that consciousness is the base of all things. What about her claim that (SU)5 has been falsified and therefore Hagelin was wrong, when Hagelin's theory was actually Flipped (SU)5? Has it been falsified as well, do you know? One of the other commenters claimed it hadn't been, and somebody else contradicted him/her. su 5 has definitely been discredited as a theory. I'm asking about Flipped (SU)5. snip Einstein, Hawking both failed in their lifelong quest to find the UF. Perhaps I should join in this blog and tell them that John Hagelin is claiming to have finished this work. That would raise a laugh from any genuine scientists. Maybe even post a link to JHs lectures on the UF, that would be an interesting counterpoint to the nonsense coming from the TBs. But most of that is self-evidently rubbish and the author is probably astonished at the way people are underlining her point about QP without even realising it. You do know that there are well-established, credentialed physicists who interpret consciousness in quantum- mechanical terms, right? It's not just Hagelin's idea by any means.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 10:39 AM, raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com wrote: When I agreed on to be on the Vedic Atom I freely, and willingly made a pledge, a commitment to Maharishi to take direction from him. The mission of the Atom was to establish a Capital of the Age of Enlightenment in cities assigned to the Atom. I've only known two sets of /male/ Vedic atoms. Both of them acted like God's gift to National Socialism. The set in Florida taught us Age of Enlightenment Technique #1 (out of 12 so far). The psychiatrist who was part of our group, Dr. Balend (sp?) said that they reminded him of new preachers (he was from North Carolina, I believe). Dr. Balend was flying the plane, incidentally, that was giving a free ride to people representing Maharishi in their quest for a place to put a capital in North Carolina. When the plane crashed, Maharishi changed his mind about NC. The group I met in Austin didn't mix with us citizen sidhas. They did an amazingly long program. I remember that I had received an Ayurvedic consult and taught to yodel certain ways before program to balance certain doshas. I as usual raced down to the Austin Capital, got on my flying clothes,. sat in the dark and seeing no one about, commenced my yodeling. Out behind a curtain came a member of the Vedic Atom, very upset that I had interrupted the divine program. It appears that it took 10 women to do what 3 men did, because I had only ever heard mention of 3 men in a Vedic Atom.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum gods don't deserve your faith
On Apr 26, 2009, at 11:33 AM, Hugo wrote: Yep it's a well cherry picked quote indeed. Unfortunately Lawson forgot to mention that MMY had a habit of contradicting himself to suit his audience and for every quote like this I could find hundreds that demonstrate he believed consciousness is the *base* of all things. There are certainly plenty of quotes to that effect. It's interesting to see such a public condemnation of TM Org pseudoscience. One would have thought it was already forgotten. But I suspect it was new pseudoscientific ideas like the hilarious The Secret and What the Bleep? which just revived the ideas anew. It's interesting because I know a number of people for whom What the Bleep? was their first introduction to Quantum consciousness theory and most of them immediately latched on to it since it appealed to their more rational, God is dead way of seeing and their general distaste for religious superstition. Because it appeared to be backed by legitimate scientists (well, let's not include Ramtha in that description ;-)), they believed it easily, without much critical thought. Of course none of them had any background in physics either.
[FairfieldLife] Re: On The Program and Off The Program
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: snip I might add, as a note to TM defenders like Judy who never once met Maharishi that *this* is what a TM Teacher Training Course *sounds like*, and what you missed by never having been on one. Note the careful preservation of Maharishi's broken English so that there can be no question as to who the quote comes from. Suggestions for points to defend in your ongoing quest to do so here on FFL: It's very odd. I've said at *least* a dozen times, here and on alt.m.t, The TMO sucks. I've been explicit that MMY had serious flaws. And for some reason Barry still expects me to leap to defend every last thing the TMO and MMY have done. As I believe I've said before, Barry is compelled to create his own reality because the one the rest of us live in just doesn't fulfill his needs (especially his desperate need to be Important).
[FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum gods don't deserve your faith
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Apr 26, 2009, at 11:33 AM, Hugo wrote: Yep it's a well cherry picked quote indeed. Unfortunately Lawson forgot to mention that MMY had a habit of contradicting himself to suit his audience and for every quote like this I could find hundreds that demonstrate he believed consciousness is the *base* of all things. There are certainly plenty of quotes to that effect. As Lawson did, in fact, mention. It's interesting to see such a public condemnation of TM Org pseudoscience. One would have thought it was already forgotten. But I suspect it was new pseudoscientific ideas like the hilarious The Secret and What the Bleep? which just revived the ideas anew. FWIW, Victor Stenger (who wrote the book being reviewed) has been battling physicists who understand consciousness in quantum-mechanical terms for many years; it's one of his big hobbyhorses.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Brazil Law and Brazil Love
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 1:17 PM, geezerfreak geezerfr...@... wrote: Ever been to that poor little village down in Spain Tex? Just askin'. Nobody just asks in FFL. Every question posed that way is a setup to viciously mock the person being asked. Go make mock somebody else. Here's some questions that meet your qualifications: 1. In which religion were you raised? 2. In which other religious movements have you been a true believer? List them in chronological order. 3. Do you believe in reincarnation? 4. Do you believe in an omniscient, omnipotent, God Who is running the universe down to the least aspect? 5. How do you define soul? 6. How do you define enlightenment? 7. Nature or nurture? 8. List the gurus in who's physical presence you've been. 9. What country do you live in now? 10. How many children have you parented? 11. How many times married? 12. Years spent in the TMO? 13. Years spent living in Fairfield, Iowa? 14. Vegetarian? What rules? Eggs, fish, dairy, chicken allowed as exceptions? 15. Do you watch entertainment that portrays raw and graphic violence? 16. Can drugs be spiritually useful to the ordinary person on the street such that regular use could be supported? 17. In which places of the world have you lived a year or more? 18. On a 1 - 10 scale, rate how much of your spiritual journey you've accomplished so far. 10 would be all the way. 19. How much time do you spend per day in formal spiritual practices that are not common-everyday human activities? 20. List the recreational activities, hobbies, passions that get more than 10 hours per week of your time. 21. What do you expect to get out of posting here at FairfieldLife?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum gods don't deserve your faith
Some more recent article of Quantum mythology and pseudoscience: Geoff Gilpin, Authour of The Maharishi Effect writes an article Quantum Consciousness, Quantum Miracles, Quantum Failure on the Quantum mythos: http://www.geoffgilpin.com/pdfs/Quantum-Failure.pdf Gilpin's recent blog entry on Quantum Gods: http://geoffgilpin.blogspot.com/2009/03/quantum-gods.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'happiness' and 'unhappiness' are seen as meaningless words
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_re...@... wrote: The notions 'This is happiness' and 'This is unhappiness' do not arise in the liberated ones. When they have realised the truth that there is neither 'the world' nor 'the self', and that the one is the all, 'happiness' and 'unhappiness' are seen as meaningless words. Their grief is superficial, for they are free from sorrow. http://venkatesaya.com/242_vasistha02/index.vasistha02.php?m=8d=26 http://venkatesaya.com/242_vasistha02/index.vasistha02.php?m=8d=26 Of course, that's the end result - the goal. But in truth, how many are actually IN that state? ...and being realistic, what does one DO in the meantime? ...how does one address it? ~ Guru Dev - Our happiness or unhappiness is OUR responsibility ~ Nobody is an enemy or a friend. If anyone is friendly then they should always be a friend, but it appears not. The one who is a friend sometimes becomes an enemy. Therefore by nature someone is neither friend nor foe. The process of friendship is a way for the effects of good karma (action) to come, and the fruits of one's own sinful actions come through one's enemies. Happiness and sorrow are really the fruit of actions. Nobody can give happiness nor sorrow. The enemy and the friend are only the conveyance of the effects of good and evil actions. That time when the fruit of our good actions arise, at that time all people are friends and are come to make us happy and when the effects of evil deeds arise then the same people become an enemies and give sorrow. In every case happiness and sorrow are together the same thing, caused and made by one's own desires. If we were to kill someone then we would be executed. The executioner is not to blame for the noose, nor is the judge who makes the sentence. Our hanging is really the effect of our own action. Therefore what is the need to assume there is any personal enmity from the judge or the hangman? The action is devoid of feeling, so the fruit of action is without partiality, it comes to the living being who is the author. In this way we get happiness which are the effects of our good actions conveyed to us and by this way suffering is conveyed to bring the fruits of our evil deeds. Happiness and sorrow then are always completely one's own stuff. On whosoever one becomes elevated, the very same we make to be the cause of happiness and sorrow. Certainly we should separate from attachment and hatred. When our own things are coming close to us then why [think] of another? Whoever causes the fruits of our good actions [to appear], he makes. There is no love from us, no malice. For this reason why have attachment or enmity? The main thing is that the happiness and sorrow are our own; so why desire that by which the fruits have become conveyed on? Therefore, without attachment or malice, peacefully and courageously one should endure the effects of one's own actions, coming in the form of happiness or unhappiness, both are one's own stuff. Be good or bad they are related to you, really yours; when they come near, welcome them properly. Shri Shankaracharya Swami Brahmananda Saraswati [Guru Dev] UpadeshAmrita kaNa 13 of 108 - translation by Paul Mason © 2007
[FairfieldLife] Buddhism without beliefs
Stephen Batchelor DocumentaryThis thirty minute documentary on Stephen’s work was broadcast on national television in Holland on 20 April, 2008 as "Boeddhisme Zonder Geloof" ("Buddhism Without Beliefs"). It is in English with Dutch subtitles. It was made by Jurgen Gude and Jaap Verhoeven for the Boeddhistische Omroep Stichtung (BOS), "the first independent Buddhist Broadcasting Foundation in the West to produce and broadcast Buddhist programmes within a country’s Public Broadcasting System".Watch here:http://www.buddhistmedia.com/uitzending.aspx?lIntEntityId=936lIntType=0lIntYear=2008LINK
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev - Our happiness or unhappiness is OUR responsibility
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandp...@... wrote: The three volumes of the Guru Dev trilogy will be available through the following:- http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/upadesh.htm http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/GuruDevLifeStory.htm http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/AKtransrough.htm Paul, please give notice here when these volumes become available.
[FairfieldLife] Re: On The Program and Off The Program
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: That's ENTERTAINMENT! Great read. I was struck with how disappointed so many teachers must be to be cast aside so casually. If I was in the movement this would cause real pain and conflict. Think teachers who invested so much into Maharishi ever changing plans through decades, perhaps being heroes of specific projects having to face that they can no longer teach TM without being re-certified which is costly and takes a person away from their family for an extended period. I think this could have been done with a bit more compassion. OTHO it will probably just inspire a lot of teachers so just go rogue and teach TM on their own. I think that this perspective needs to be shared with people who are evaluating involvement in TM and I'm glad this got leaked. It lets the public know that their knowledge of TM is being managed and doled out according to their buy-in with the beliefs. And for the quote that makes be react with an involuntary erection of my middle finger: * Hold onto the fact that we are the supreme authorities on healthwe know how to create perfect healthwe are challenging all governments in world. Sure you are, you bunch of gray haired sufferers of every complaint common to all of us baby boomers. Seeing Maharishi's last decade functioning at a level wy below what my 89 year old dad is rocking, should have been a wake-up call that all is not as described by the man behind the curtain. The only thing in the world you are challenging is it's credulity at your absurdly grandiose fantasy about your supreme authorityitudednessinhoodinment concerning health. I would have a bit more sympathy for the organization if it would show a bit o appropriate humility concerning what it means to KNOW something. Many interesting points, but one really struck me. The dissing of even Doctors who are in the movement! Having risked their professional credibility for years supporting Maharishis health schemes, they too are to be discarded! Nice one, Oh ye of the non- functional second sutra! (Most obscure joke reference to date, take THAT Dennis Miller!) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Doughney mike@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: There is, after all, nowhere one can go to obtain a formal definition of what On The Program means. It's not written down in any Human Resources manual that contains the rules imposed on teachers of TM and/or mere practitioners of the TM technique. Well. Times have changed a bit. It's not exactly a Human Resources manual, but it is a 14 page Overview of Policies and Procedures document for Recertified Governors. According to the file history at Wikileaks.org, it was added there a few days ago, and then the link to it showed up in the TM-Free Blog's sitemeter referral logs. http://tinyurl.com/governor-recert-policies It includes things like a six hour a day program requirement for fulltime Governors, insistence that Ladies teach Ladies and men teach men, and an admonition to not take help from medical Drs. as medical professionals give poison. Thanks for posting this, Mike. I, for one, simply cannot WAIT to hear how the TM defenders on this forum defend this one. That should be very amusing. I also look forward to the looks on the faces of recertified TM teachers attempting to sell the David Lynch Foundation program to a school system when one of the teachers or parents pulls out a printout of this PDF and asks them to explain it. That should be even more amusing. I might add, as a note to TM defenders like Judy who never once met Maharishi that *this* is what a TM Teacher Training Course *sounds like*, and what you missed by never having been on one. Note the careful preservation of Maharishi's broken English so that there can be no question as to who the quote comes from. Suggestions for points to defend in your ongoing quest to do so here on FFL: * Recertified Governors are only hope of the world and you are very few and must know what you are * Even spa people who touch body should start TMthe touch will be softer so they must meditate * We don't give out anything free, except personal checking (for which they have already paid). If you don't charge, wealthy people won't come. * Personnel should be simple, not creative. They have to be faithful to you * World Peace Bonds...At the end of three years the investor receives the principle plus compound interest. (It has been over three years since this was written. Has *anyone* ever received what was promised?) * Our strength is not the creativity of the people we engage. Our strength is in constant publicity. * We are not going to take help from medical Drs. as medical professionals give poison. So don't engage
[FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives boo_lives@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: raunchy wrote: I was on the PAC Pal Vedic Atom... geezerfreak wrote: That's rich Raunch... So, geezer, were you on the PAC Pal Vedic Atom? Ever been to India? I didn't see your name on the list of TMO Teachers the last time I was in Fairfield. Just askin'. Very curious about this list of tmo teachers that you imagine yourself seeing in ffld willy. please tell us more about it. where is it located and who showed it to you. when? in fact i dare you to make one factual statement about how the capital operates there. wondering why you need to make stuff up about which you obviously know nothing about You beat me to the punch here boo. Yes, Tex, do tell us all about the list. Of course there is a list. For years, I've seen it at the Fairfield capitol whenever I had to get my dome badge updated. I don't have access to the list, but the folks putting the stickers of the badges sure do. Willytex wouldn't have access to a list unless he renewed dome badges or worked in the course office approving applications. Most of the folks doing that have always been women. When I was on the Vedic Atom, I worked in the course office at PAC Pal and processed tons of applications for LA Sidhas applying for WPA's and the course in India with Maharishi. We did not have a list. An unidentified male voice on the phone calling from an undisclosed location (probably Livingston Manor) from the Council of Supreme Intelligence had the list. They seemed to know all about the applicants I processed so I assumed they had a list. Maybe it was Willeytex I was talking to back then and I didn't even know it. How about it Willeytex, was it you I sent cookies to? If you tell me what kind they were, I'll believe it was really you that I flirted with on the phone all those many years ago. You worked at Pac Pal? So did I, but that was right before terms like vedic atom were being used. (How many parents got calls from their kid announcing that they were now part of a vedic atom?) The Council of Supreme Intelligence. So 50's SciFi! So what years were you there? Is that facility still there? The Vedic Atom went to PAC Pal from Fairfield in late summer of 1980. We were there just about 2 months until Maharishi invited us to join him in India. We arrived in India in November just in time for Diwali. The Atom returned to PAC Pal the following March. We were there another two months, then we shipped out to Palo Alto. I made a commitment to stay with the Atom and stay I did, until the Fall of 1981. A whole year. It was the most ego bruising experience of my life. It was a combination of being in the military and being married to ten people at the same time. The dictum was, Agree on everything. I gave it my all and it wasn't easy. Everything I felt or experienced with my senses as reality everything I thought was urgently important, turned out to be not important at all. The Atom ground my ego into toasty-o's. I had nothing left of me to hang on to. Resistance was futile. I had to go with the flow, surrender my small self and shred every remnant of ego or risk a battle with other egos equally attached to their reality. In a word, it was a lesson in detachment. It was challenging but I don't regret it. It just gives me some insight about how fiercely people are willing to defend their self-importance and hopefully I've gained some wisdom about picking my battles as well. I'm sure others have responded by now (I'm just logging on today) but I have to say this strikes more as an exercise in classic cult behavior (the dictum was agree on everything) than a lesson in detachment.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum gods don't deserve your faith
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: Some more recent article of Quantum mythology and pseudoscience: This is fascinating, thanks for posting it. Geoff Gilpin, Authour of The Maharishi Effect writes an article Quantum Consciousness, Quantum Miracles, Quantum Failure on the Quantum mythos: http://www.geoffgilpin.com/pdfs/Quantum-Failure.pdf Gilpin's recent blog entry on Quantum Gods: http://geoffgilpin.blogspot.com/2009/03/quantum-gods.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives boo_lives@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: raunchy wrote: I was on the PAC Pal Vedic Atom... geezerfreak wrote: That's rich Raunch... So, geezer, were you on the PAC Pal Vedic Atom? Ever been to India? I didn't see your name on the list of TMO Teachers the last time I was in Fairfield. Just askin'. Very curious about this list of tmo teachers that you imagine yourself seeing in ffld willy. please tell us more about it. where is it located and who showed it to you. when? in fact i dare you to make one factual statement about how the capital operates there. wondering why you need to make stuff up about which you obviously know nothing about You beat me to the punch here boo. Yes, Tex, do tell us all about the list. Of course there is a list. For years, I've seen it at the Fairfield capitol whenever I had to get my dome badge updated. I don't have access to the list, but the folks putting the stickers of the badges sure do. Willytex wouldn't have access to a list unless he renewed dome badges or worked in the course office approving applications. Most of the folks doing that have always been women. When I was on the Vedic Atom, I worked in the course office at PAC Pal and processed tons of applications for LA Sidhas applying for WPA's and the course in India with Maharishi. We did not have a list. An unidentified male voice on the phone calling from an undisclosed location (probably Livingston Manor) from the Council of Supreme Intelligence had the list. They seemed to know all about the applicants I processed so I assumed they had a list. Maybe it was Willeytex I was talking to back then and I didn't even know it. How about it Willeytex, was it you I sent cookies to? If you tell me what kind they were, I'll believe it was really you that I flirted with on the phone all those many years ago. You worked at Pac Pal? So did I, but that was right before terms like vedic atom were being used. (How many parents got calls from their kid announcing that they were now part of a vedic atom?) The Council of Supreme Intelligence. So 50's SciFi! So what years were you there? Is that facility still there? Last I heard Yogananda's group bought it. As you know they were right next door to PAC Pal. It was a beautiful place. There was a view of a windmill next to a small lake. I took a picture of it and when I got home I managed to create a fairly nice looking painting of it. My Mom still has the painting hanging in one of her bedrooms. Indeed it was beautiful. I used to walk over there on Sundays to hear Dennis Weaver speak. (I of course had to keep this very quiet.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: On The Program and Off The Program
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: We all know these phrases. Most of us *lived* by the phrase On The Program (presented in gold here to emphasize its goodness) or its converse Off The Program (presented in red here for obvious reasons) for years if not decades. But what are the actual DEFINITIONS of these buzzphrases? My definitions of these two phrases, based on my many years in the TM movement and several years of following its activities out of curiosity since, have to be: On The Program -- Doing what Maharishi says to do. Off The Program -- Doing anything contrary to what Maharishi says to do. It's really as simple as that in my opinion. There is, after all, nowhere one can go to obtain a formal definition of what On The Program means. It's not written down in any Human Resources manual that contains the rules imposed on teachers of TM and/or mere practitioners of the TM technique. Some (those who have written about cults) would say that this lack of definition is intentional. They would say that having a *vague* definition by which everyone in the organization is judged and measured by is almost *by definition* a cult phenomenon. For one reason, it keeps the cult out of legal trouble; if they had actually written down rules that violated state or national law, they would be in Deep Shit legally. But on another level, keeping the definition of the phrase by which all members of the organization are judged *vague* has another purpose in that it creates an atmosphere of fear. The real *purpose* of keeping the definition vague and ever-changing is to keep the members of the organization ever-fearful that they might do something wrong, and be punished for it. And, let's face it, you CAN be punished for being Off The Program in the TM movement. Thousands have been so punished. They have been denied access to TM centers and TM courses, they have been banned from the domes, they have been subjected to shunning by their fellow TMers, and they have been subjected to harassment and vitriolic attacks *for* violating this rule that *has never once been written down*. So let's write it down. What are some of the things that, in your experience, have been deemed Off The Program by people in the TM movement who *had the authority to punish you for doing them*? Here are some of the ones I've witnessed or heard of that led to threatened or actual punishment: * Living with one's girlfriend or boyfriend when you are not married. * Having Off The Program books on your book- shelves. I saw at least a dozen people in LA denied access to residence courses or TTC because of this and the previous sin. * Expressing doubts about one of Maharishi's proc- lamations. I once saw someone sent home from an ATR course because he questioned publicly that the Age Of Enlightenment had actually come to pass. * Leaving the hotel on an ATR course to go across the street and buy an ice cream cone and eat it. We have someone on this forum who was threatened over this one. * Doing anything on a TMO-sponsored residence course that was not 100% dictated to them by the course leaders, on orders of Maharishi. I saw several people threatened with being sent home from courses for talking during what was supposed to be a silent walk and talk. I saw one person threatened with being sent home from a course for leaving the hotel and going into town to buy medicine at a pharmacy. * Attending a public talk by another spiritual teacher. That will *still* get you banned from the dome in Fair- field if you admit it, as I understand. * Wearing jeans. When I was a State Coordinator, I ran into several TM Centers who had banned TM Teachers from ever setting foot inside the Center again because they were spotted in public wearing jeans. * Saying something in a TM advanced lecture that the teacher had heard from Charlie Lutes, and which was not part of the standard TM dogma. The list of former TM Teachers banned from the TM movement in the 70s for doing this is probably longer than the current list of recertified TM Teachers. Add your own working definitions of what Off The Program has meant in your TM movement experience. If you feel like it, add some definitions of what On The Program means as well. And if you choose to do the latter, please try to make a case for it meaning anything *except* Doing what Maharishi says to do. Good discussion! You reminded me of my own Ice Cream Caper. In Arosa I once got in hot water when it became known that I had been going into a small cafe to buy a Coup Denmark (Hot fudge Sunday) once a week. I'm serious! I had mentioned to someone how great it tasted and the next thing I knew I was being questioned about my sin. It totally stressed me out for a while but then a little thought startedI'm in trouble for eating ice cream. As I think back this may have been
[FairfieldLife] How many would have died anyway?
At the end of This Week with George Stephanopoulos they do an In memorium of all the famous people who died that week. At the end of In memorium they list all the military service personnel who have died that week in Iraq and Afghanistan. What has struck me over the past two years whenever I've watched this segment is how few soldiers are getting listed every week. Near the beginning of the war, it was almost like what I remember during the Vietnam years: 20 or 30 a week! Today's total was a mere 4. Of course even 1 is too much. But it got me thinking: are these statistics JUST listing those who died in combat or military-related incidents? Or is it including ALL service people who died (e.g. a trooper stepped accidentally into on-going traffic during his off-hours)? The reason I ask this question is that at 4 deaths a week, this is pretty much the rate at which people in the age range that service men and women represent die in normal non-military populations back in the U.S. For example, take a look at the following government actuarial chart: http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/STATS/table4c6.html In a regular population of the United States, out of 98,707 18-year-old males, 105 will die over the course of a year (see the 98,602 listing for 19-year-old males; 98,707 less 98,602 = 105). That's approximately 2 males that in a regular population of about 100,000 18-year-old males who die every week in the U.S. And how many troops do we have in Iraq and Afghanistan? I'm not sure but if it's 200,000 or more, then 4 dying every week is equal to how many would be dying if they were back home living normal lives. Again, I'm not sure if the death stats released by the army (and then shown on This Week) represents ONLY combat related deaths and that there is, in fact, MORE deaths that are not released because they aren't combat related. But if not, then the death toll in Iraq and Afghanistan is about zero.
[FairfieldLife] Re: On The Program and Off The Program
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Doughney mike@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: There is, after all, nowhere one can go to obtain a formal definition of what On The Program means. It's not written down in any Human Resources manual that contains the rules imposed on teachers of TM and/or mere practitioners of the TM technique. Well. Times have changed a bit. It's not exactly a Human Resources manual, but it is a 14 page Overview of Policies and Procedures document for Recertified Governors. According to the file history at Wikileaks.org, it was added there a few days ago, and then the link to it showed up in the TM-Free Blog's sitemeter referral logs. http://tinyurl.com/governor-recert-policies It includes things like a six hour a day program requirement for fulltime Governors, insistence that Ladies teach Ladies and men teach men, and an admonition to not take help from medical Drs. as medical professionals give poison. Thanks for posting this, Mike. I, for one, simply cannot WAIT to hear how the TM defenders on this forum defend this one. That should be very amusing. I also look forward to the looks on the faces of recertified TM teachers attempting to sell the David Lynch Foundation program to a school system when one of the teachers or parents pulls out a printout of this PDF and asks them to explain it. That should be even more amusing. I might add, as a note to TM defenders like Judy who never once met Maharishi that *this* is what a TM Teacher Training Course *sounds like*, and what you missed by never having been on one. Note the careful preservation of Maharishi's broken English so that there can be no question as to who the quote comes from. Suggestions for points to defend in your ongoing quest to do so here on FFL: * Recertified Governors are only hope of the world and you are very few and must know what you are * Even spa people who touch body should start TMthe touch will be softer so they must meditate * We don't give out anything free, except personal checking (for which they have already paid). If you don't charge, wealthy people won't come. * Personnel should be simple, not creative. They have to be faithful to you * World Peace Bonds...At the end of three years the investor receives the principle plus compound interest. (It has been over three years since this was written. Has *anyone* ever received what was promised?) * Our strength is not the creativity of the people we engage. Our strength is in constant publicity. * We are not going to take help from medical Drs. as medical professionals give poison. So don't engage any medical Drs. for anything absolutely whatever it iseven if they are in our Movement family * Hold onto the fact that we are the supreme authorities on healthwe know how to create perfect healthwe are challenging all governments in world. * LMT's need to learn Transcendental Meditation technique first. It's for their personal enlightenment and world peace If LMT does not want to start TM then we do not take them. ... 2 hours of TM and TM-Sidhi program is a must for Sidha LMTs also. Tell them that their arms will be softer. * Have someone contact the town. Do it on a no-names basis. Just find out if they have any rules on health spas that offer massage. Be careful about how this is worded. Massage parlors have a bad reputation all over the US and towns don't want them. So make sure that you talk about opening a health spa. Be careful there too, though. If they think it is a medical clinic there are a whole set of rules that relate to that. * Gandharva Veda melodies help the growth of the plants as well as making them more nutritious. * We don't mind being costly as long as we are supportive to life. What we offer has to be supportive to the *Vedic* life. We have to offer that which is *most* costly: bliss, enlightenment, invincibility. * Really for peace to be enjoyed on earth, reconstruction is a VITAL POINT. Without proper Vastu there will always be problems. Those who *really* want to be peaceful in life have to live in Vastu. Those should keep you busy for a while... :-) That mentality has been implicit in the TMO for decades. It's refreshing to see it so blatantly expressed. To any objective observer it would appear to be no different from any other freaky cult that claims 'The Exclusive Solution' to EVERYTHING and the rejection of anything else that might compete with it. In my view that material, if it became publicly available knowledge, would be fatally damning - especially in a teach-TM-in-the-public-school-system effort. This stuff is such a creepy sham. It paints the TMO as not much different from
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Ruth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: snip I had to do some fast talking to, for instance, get approved to become a teacher of special techniques. Did you by any chance teach a weekend special techniques course at Livingston Manor in 1976? Are you a big tallish guy with dark hair? Not me, sorry.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
Raunchy: When I was on the Vedic Atom, I worked in the course office at PAC Pal and processed tons of applications for LA Sidhas applying for WPA's and the course in India with Maharishi. We did not have a list. An unidentified male voice on the phone calling from an undisclosed location (probably Livingston Manor) from the Council of Supreme Intelligence had the list. They seemed to know all about the applicants I processed so I assumed they had a list. Turq: So Raunchydog, in all that time that you were processing applications for LA Sidhas applying for WPA's, did you ever turn anyone down? If so, that probably does not fall into the category of causing you harm. But is is pos- sible that you caused *others* harm by just believing an unidentified male voice on the other end of the phone? Is it possible that you turned down someone's application because the unidentified voice on the other end of the phone said to out of spite, or because he thought that they might have once seen another spiritual teacher or done some- thing Off The Program? This line of reasoning seems far fetched and out of line. It is pure speculaton. We've heard from Raunchy that she acted in good faith. And now you're asking her if she thinks the course office was acting in good faith? Sort of like Isn't it possible Raunchy, isn't it entirely possible that the this UNIDENFIED, ANONYMOUS, -DO YOU HEAR ME ANONYMOUS voice on the other end of the line, might NOT have been acting in good faith. And isn't it true Raunchy, that an negative experience that the this unidentified voice may have had with a person named Todd sometime in his past, may have predudiced him against any applicant named Todd. Please Raunchy, tell the court, isn't this possible? Indeed, isn't it even likely this unidentied was voice was applying arbitrary standands for acceptance to a course., based on previous life experiences that affected his outlook, most likely in negative way that could have a profound effect on the individual applying including, but not limited to loss of self esteem, or divorce. Isn't this a possiblity Raunchy. Tell the court, yes, or no. And then Sal, chimes in that if Rauncy doesn't take this bait, then the point is proved. Or even more likely, if the answer isn't to Sal's satisfaction then the point is proved as well. I believe this is what is called baiting. And a little cheap IMO. If so, and someone was discriminated against and kept away from a course that even YOU would have to believe would be beneficial for them, does this present a case for YOUR unfounded beliefs being a tad harmful to someone else? Or is their experience of YOU turning them down all their experience, not yours? I'm SURE you can make a case for I was just doing my job, and following orders. But you don't even know WHOSE orders you were follow- ing. Do you not see something vaguely remin- iscent of Germany during WWII about this, where good Germans sent Jews somewhere (they didn't care where) because some unidentified male voice told them to? Do you get my point? Thanks for posting, Anything is possible, by the way. That's another evasion, and not the same as actually saying, There is a possibility that the TM critics are right and I am wrong, but it's the closest any of the people I addressed my question to have come to actually answering it. So that makes you the least pussy-like of any of them. Your certificate is in the mail. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: How many would have died anyway?
Glad you're still with us Shemp! :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote: At the end of This Week with George Stephanopoulos they do an In memorium of all the famous people who died that week. At the end of In memorium they list all the military service personnel who have died that week in Iraq and Afghanistan. What has struck me over the past two years whenever I've watched this segment is how few soldiers are getting listed every week. Near the beginning of the war, it was almost like what I remember during the Vietnam years: 20 or 30 a week! Today's total was a mere 4. Of course even 1 is too much. But it got me thinking: are these statistics JUST listing those who died in combat or military-related incidents? Or is it including ALL service people who died (e.g. a trooper stepped accidentally into on-going traffic during his off-hours)? The reason I ask this question is that at 4 deaths a week, this is pretty much the rate at which people in the age range that service men and women represent die in normal non-military populations back in the U.S. For example, take a look at the following government actuarial chart: http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/STATS/table4c6.html In a regular population of the United States, out of 98,707 18-year-old males, 105 will die over the course of a year (see the 98,602 listing for 19-year-old males; 98,707 less 98,602 = 105). That's approximately 2 males that in a regular population of about 100,000 18-year-old males who die every week in the U.S. And how many troops do we have in Iraq and Afghanistan? I'm not sure but if it's 200,000 or more, then 4 dying every week is equal to how many would be dying if they were back home living normal lives. Again, I'm not sure if the death stats released by the army (and then shown on This Week) represents ONLY combat related deaths and that there is, in fact, MORE deaths that are not released because they aren't combat related. But if not, then the death toll in Iraq and Afghanistan is about zero.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote: Now I've Got You, You Son of a Bitch? geezerfreak wrote: See, I am the eternal (man, why didn't you just go all the way and call yourself GOD) the thing is, WillyTex really IS nuts. You're still living in a trailer house in Fairfield, IA; trying to get into the women's dome; posting incessantly on the internet to an anti-TM news group, to a guy named boo and another named God, but I'm nuts? This is not just my opinion, by the way. But, why isn't your name on the TMO mailing list? You seem to be really interested in the TMers and their comings and goings. Just askin'. Let's ask Judy. Judy...want to speak up on the state of Willy Tex's mental health? Run to Mommy, run - see a geezer run. OK, I give up Tex. Ya got me. I'm not a TM teacher, Governor, Siddha or any of it. I don't even do TM. I'm an operative for the CIA, hired 35 years ago to infiltrate the TMO and report back to the Supreme Council of Intelligence on its activities around the world. It was all going so well until you had to come along and blow my cover!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
On Apr 26, 2009, at 12:24 PM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: This line of reasoning seems far fetched and out of line. It is pure speculaton. We've heard from Raunchy that she acted in good faith. And now you're asking her if she thinks the course office was acting in good faith? Sort of like Isn't it possible Raunchy, isn't it entirely possible that the this UNIDENFIED, ANONYMOUS, -DO YOU HEAR ME ANONYMOUS voice on the other end of the line, might NOT have been acting in good faith. And isn't it true Raunchy, that an negative experience that the this unidentified voice may have had with a person named Todd sometime in his past, may have predudiced him against any applicant named Todd. Please Raunchy, tell the court, isn't this possible? Indeed, isn't it even likely this unidentied was voice was applying arbitrary standands for acceptance to a course., based on previous life experiences that affected his outlook, most likely in negative way that could have a profound effect on the individual applying including, but not limited to loss of self esteem, or divorce. Isn't this a possiblity Raunchy. Tell the court, yes, or no. And then Sal, chimes in that if Rauncy doesn't take this bait, then the point is proved. Or even more likely, if the answer isn't to Sal's satisfaction then the point is proved as well. I believe this is what is called baiting. And a little cheap IMO. But fun nonetheless. :) Alright, lurk, here's a true experience of mine, just to show (at least IMO) what brainwashed groupies were in the TMO even years back (of which I consider myself to have been one, BTW, although thankfully not so far gone as I might have been): I was asked by someone who didn't have enough$$ to go on a course if I would help sponsor her, along with a few others. I was applying to the same course, so I said sure. Come to find out a week or two later, she then reported me, after getting the $$, for some minor OTP (gasp!) infringement, can't remember now what it even was. We both got on the course, BTW, but as geeze put it so well, it was just another dent in the armor that many of us wore in order to maintain the fiction that we were actually dealing with normal, well-intentioned people. We weren't. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
raunchy wrote: Of course there is a list. For years, I've seen it at the Fairfield capitol whenever I had to get my dome badge updated. Did you see a 'geezerfreak or a boo_lives on the list? They apparently thought I was nuts for even mentioning the list. Why did they want to keep the list a secret? Maybe it's because their names aren't on the list? Or, is it just in the nature of the TMOers to be secretive? Maybe the two informants have never even been to Fairfield. It sure looks to me like they've never tried to get in one of the Golden Domes. Anybody would know that the TMO has a list of TMers that are allowed inside the domes. I don't have access to the list, but the folks putting the stickers of the badges sure do. Willytex wouldn't have access to a list unless he renewed dome badges or worked in the course office approving applications. Most of the folks doing that have always been women. We have a very extensive list at the TM Ideal Village at Radiance, Texas, home of the Superradiance Program. I've seen the list many times - the Patanjali Dome list is shared with the Maharishi Dome at Radiance - there are many TMers in good standing who visit the two domes. All the domes, as far as I can tell, share the list, including the domes at Skelmersdale and at Siddhadorp. When I was on the Vedic Atom, I worked in the course office at PAC Pal and processed tons of applications for LA Sidhas applying for WPA's and the course in India with Maharishi. We did not have a list. An unidentified male voice on the phone calling from an undisclosed location (probably Livingston Manor) from the Council of Supreme Intelligence had the list. They seemed to know all about the applicants I processed so I assumed they had a list. I am on the list of TMers who got initiated by Jerry Jarvis at SIMS in 1964 - I'm on the SIMS list. In order to get on the TM-Sidhi program I had to call Jerry to prove I was a TMer. Now I'm on the TM-Sidhi Program list. I've been on the Maharishi Dome list since 1976. When I visited the Patanjali Dome in Fairfield, I showed them my dome badge and I was allowed inside. Inside the Golden Dome: http://www.rwilliams.us/inside/ Maybe it was Willeytex I was talking to back then and I didn't even know it. How about it Willeytex, was it you I sent cookies to? If you tell me what kind they were, I'll believe it was really you that I flirted with on the phone all those many years ago. No, it was proabbly Lon P. Stacks. From what I've read, Stacks was the keeper of the list at Livingston Manor. He was one of the administrators at MIU Press.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
Run to Mommy, run - see a geezer run. ...I'm an operative for the CIA, hired 35 years ago to infiltrate the TMO and report back to the Supreme Council of Intelligence on its activities around the world. So, you are on the CIA list.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
Lurk: I believe this is what is called baiting. And a little cheap IMO. Sal: But fun nonetheless. :) Alright, lurk, here's a true experience of mine, just to show (at least IMO) what brainwashed groupies were in the TMO even years back (of which I consider myself to have been one, BTW, although thankfully not so far gone as I might have been): I was asked by someone who didn't have enough$$ to go on a course if I would help sponsor her, along with a few others. I was applying to the same course, so I said sure. Come to find out a week or two later, she then reported me, after getting the $$, for some minor OTP (gasp!) infringement, can't remember now what it even was. We both got on the course, BTW, but as geeze put it so well, it was just another dent in the armor that many of us wore in order to maintain the fiction that we were actually dealing with normal, well-intentioned people. We weren't. I understand. I got rejected from a course (or going to Zambia back in 77?) based on a very subjective termination by Reed Martin. I was in Livingson Manor at the time, and when it happened, a voice inside me said go home, go home. That may have been when the bonds to TMO started to weaken some.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote: Let's ask Judy. Judy...want to speak up on the state of Willy Tex's mental health? Judy wrote: He's pretty strange, You've been posting on the internet for what, fifteen years or more, and I'm the strange one? Maybe so - some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to, I guess. For the record, I am still on the TMO list - I get things in the mail all the time. I'm living about a mile from the Maharishi Golden Dome of Pure Knowledge at Radiance, Texas - I am a TMer and a Citizen Sidha in good standing. Still on the program after all these years - TMer number 214 in the U.S.A., according to Beaulah Smith. That's me, the one with the silly grin on his face: And a fine representative of the benefits of 40 years of TM/TMO you are! Perhaps you can speak for the DLF in its quest to get TM into schools. Kids, wanna be like me? Sign here.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Despondency
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Kirk kirk_bernha...@cox.net wrote: This is the first action I am engaging in today. My best and only friend moved away. Jobs suck. My wife is extremely busy. I suck. The sooner I die the happier I will be. You all enjoy your trite fun and games. Woohoo Judy and Barry - what a great time. Whatever. Kirk, Google offers access to Usenet (old, DARPA newsgroup format). If you need some ideas, go to http://groups.google.com/group/alt.suicide.methods/topics?lnk=srghl=en http://tinyurl.com/dd8jly You want to make sure you do it right. I know some sheriff deputies who've witnessed really painful botched suicides. More than once they arrived at the scene where someone tried to swallow a gun but only succeeded in blowing part of their heads off. The guys begged officers to finish them off. Then there's jumping. It often fails and the person lives the rest of their life in a wheel chair. Pills often don't work and just get you a stay in a crazy ward. So plan your exit carefully and get the advice of those who've studied how to be a success at this once in a lifetime experience. If you need more information, I'm here to help.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum gods don't deserve your faith
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Apr 26, 2009, at 10:25 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: http://www.sott.net/articles/show/182746-Quantum-gods-don-t-deserve-your-faith And she was a bit off in what she said. Also see my comment on her blog. Lawson The letter smay be off, but the spirit of her repsonse is head on. Better to read the book. It's great to see someone finally debunking this quantum bullshit. It was an interesting idea for a while. /me rolls eyes. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: On The Program and Off The Program
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Doughney mike@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: There is, after all, nowhere one can go to obtain a formal definition of what On The Program means. It's not written down in any Human Resources manual that contains the rules imposed on teachers of TM and/or mere practitioners of the TM technique. Well. Times have changed a bit. It's not exactly a Human Resources manual, but it is a 14 page Overview of Policies and Procedures document for Recertified Governors. According to the file history at Wikileaks.org, it was added there a few days ago, and then the link to it showed up in the TM-Free Blog's sitemeter referral logs. http://tinyurl.com/governor-recert-policies It includes things like a six hour a day program requirement for fulltime Governors, insistence that Ladies teach Ladies and men teach men, and an admonition to not take help from medical Drs. as medical professionals give poison. Thanks for posting this, Mike. I, for one, simply cannot WAIT to hear how the TM defenders on this forum defend this one. That should be very amusing. I also look forward to the looks on the faces of recertified TM teachers attempting to sell the David Lynch Foundation program to a school system when one of the teachers or parents pulls out a printout of this PDF and asks them to explain it. That should be even more amusing. I might add, as a note to TM defenders like Judy who never once met Maharishi that *this* is what a TM Teacher Training Course *sounds like*, and what you missed by never having been on one. Note the careful preservation of Maharishi's broken English so that there can be no question as to who the quote comes from. Suggestions for points to defend in your ongoing quest to do so here on FFL: * Recertified Governors are only hope of the world and you are very few and must know what you are * Even spa people who touch body should start TM�the touch will be softer so they must meditate * We don't give out anything free, except personal checking (for which they have already paid). If you don't charge, wealthy people won't come. * Personnel should be simple, not creative. They have to be faithful to you * World Peace Bonds...At the end of three years the investor receives the principle plus compound interest. (It has been over three years since this was written. Has *anyone* ever received what was promised?) * Our strength is not the creativity of the people we engage. Our strength is in constant publicity. * We are not going to take help from medical Drs. as medical professionals give poison. So don't engage any medical Drs. for anything� absolutely whatever it is�even if they are in our Movement family * Hold onto the fact that we are the supreme authorities on health�we know how to create perfect health�we are challenging all governments in world. * LMT's need to learn Transcendental Meditation technique first. It's for their personal enlightenment and world peace If LMT does not want to start TM then we do not take them. ... 2 hours of TM and TM-Sidhi program is a must for Sidha LMTs also. Tell them that their arms will be softer. * Have someone contact the town. Do it on a no-names basis. Just find out if they have any rules on health spas that offer massage. Be careful about how this is worded. Massage parlors have a bad reputation all over the US and towns don't want them. So make sure that you talk about opening a health spa. Be careful there too, though. If they think it is a medical clinic there are a whole set of rules that relate to that. * Gandharva Veda melodies help the growth of the plants as well as making them more nutritious. * We don't mind being costly as long as we are supportive to life. What we offer has to be supportive to the *Vedic* life. We have to offer that which is *most* costly: bliss, enlightenment, invincibility. * Really for peace to be enjoyed on earth, reconstruction is a VITAL POINT. Without proper Vastu there will always be problems. Those who *really* want to be peaceful in life have to live in Vastu. Those should keep you busy for a while... :-) So, the mutterings of a beloved 85-year-old [at that time] man are going to be used to prove what... THat he's 85 and somewhat out of touch? It's already obvious that some of those suggestions have been overruled in someway by King Tony or that MMY himself modded the system at some point (like gasp, HE never changed his mind about something). L
[FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum gods don't deserve your faith
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: http://www.sott.net/articles/show/182746-Quantum-gods-don-t-deserve-your-faith And she was a bit off in what she said. Also see my comment on her blog. I would if I could find it! I finally found the blog, but I couldn't find a related entry. Can you provide the URL, please? http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20227041.600-quantum-gods-dont-deserve-your-faith.html My comment is about page 5 or 6. The quote from MMY about material and spiritual values. Thanks. Page 4, actually. Good comment. What about her claim that (SU)5 has been falsified and therefore Hagelin was wrong, when Hagelin's theory was actually Flipped (SU)5? Has it been falsified as well, do you know? One of the other commenters claimed it hadn't been, and somebody else contradicted him/her. As far as I know, the HLC (?) has to confirm or deny the existence of the HIggs- Boson before Revised Flipped SU(5) can be falsified. ANd that doesn't go back online until September. Bsides, all modern pysics theories have to be at least as predictive as Flipped SU(5) so they all contain implicitly the elements of the theory that Hagelin derived from Vedic Cosmology. Of course, he may have just drawn a squiggly diagram around a much larger set and declared this be consciousness, but there's no way to falsify his consciousness is the unified field claim until such time that properties of the unified field are discovered that don't fit the parallels he pointed out. ANd I doubt if that will happen because those parallels were not terribly controversial in the first place. More likely, his claim that there's a one-to-one correspondance between vedic terminology and QM fundamental particles and forces will prove to be purely coincidental. THAT could happen without falsifying Flipped SU(5) I believe: just find new particles that don't fit the pattern. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: On The Program and Off The Program
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfr...@... wrote: snip Good discussion! You reminded me of my own Ice Cream Caper. In Arosa I once got in hot water when it became known that I had been going into a small cafe to buy a Coup Denmark (Hot fudge Sunday) once a week. I'm serious! I had mentioned to someone how great it tasted and the next thing I knew I was being questioned about my sin. It totally stressed me out for a while but then a little thought startedI'm in trouble for eating ice cream. As I think back this may have been the first chink in the cult armor. Barry's gotten a lot of mileage out of this story, Geeze. He's told it twice here and several more times on alt.m.t. Anyway, here's one of his FFL versions (post #57195). It's a little more colorful than yours; I thought you'd enjoy reading it: - *Anything* is permissible to defend* [the purity of the teaching], including acts that are illegal (such as dismissing a student from a university for wrong thought or sending someone home from a course with no refund for violating a simple (and simple-minded) rule like, Thou shalt go straight to the kitchen after evening lecture and have thy warm milk with cardamon and then go straight to bed and thou shalt do all of this in silence. I had a good friend who has a hilarious way of describ- ing the epiphany of figuring all of this stuff out. He was on an ATR course in Switzerland, and was told in no uncertain terms to follow the above rule. The trouble was, he *hated* warm milk and cardamon. So his routine was to walk across the street to the next hotel and buy an ice-cream cone, and take it back to his room, all in silence. He was called on the carpet for this by the course leaders several times. He ignored them. Finally, he was told in no uncertain terms to show up at a certain time for a tribunal (yes, they really called it that), in which he was to be interrogated, and at the end of which he was either going to be sent home in disgrace, never to be allowed to return to another TM course again, or repent of his evil ways, change his behavior, and be allowed to stay. So he's sitting in this waiting room, waiting, and he's scared. Really scared. His entire life is on the line. He *knows*, from experience, what happens to TM teachers who have been declared off the program. He *knows* that his entire access to advanced techniques or any future teachings from Maharishi is on the line. So he's *justifiably* scared. And then it hits him, in a blinding flash of realization, that he's sitting there quivering in his seat, about to be judged by his betters for the dastardly crime of Eating Ice Cream. He starts to laugh. They call him into the room. He can't stop laughing. He answers none of their questions, because he just can't stop laughing. He finally gets up and leaves the room, and the Inquisitors are so dumbfounded by some- one not being afraid of them that they don't do *anything* about it. He hears not another word about it. He goes back home at the end of his ATR course, and naturally the next time he applies for another course he is barred from attending it. But by this time he really doesn't care, because he's still laughing. - I had always wondered, frankly, whether what you got in trouble for wasn't so much eating ice cream but for leaving the hotel every night, but you say you did it only once a week and don't say whether it was at night, so maybe not.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum gods don't deserve your faith
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: http://www.sott.net/articles/show/182746-Quantum-gods-don-t-deserve-your-faith And she was a bit off in what she said. Also see my comment on her blog. I would if I could find it! I finally found the blog, but I couldn't find a related entry. Can you provide the URL, please? http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20227041.600-quantum-gods-dont-deserve-your-faith.html My comment is about page 5 or 6. The quote from MMY about material and spiritual values. Thanks. Page 4, actually. Good comment. Yep it's a well cherry picked quote indeed. Unfortunately Lawson forgot to mention that MMY had a habit of contradicting himself to suit his audience and for every quote like this I could find hundreds that demonstrate he believed consciousness is the *base* of all things. What about her claim that (SU)5 has been falsified and therefore Hagelin was wrong, when Hagelin's theory was actually Flipped (SU)5? Has it been falsified as well, do you know? One of the other commenters claimed it hadn't been, and somebody else contradicted him/her. su 5 has definitely been discredited as a theory. It was the first UF idea to be testable. The theory is that the symmetry break required for unification would create a detectable proton. Detectors were built deep in mines and were monitored for 25 years before the idea was abandoned as the proton never appeared. Flipped SU(5) is another kettle of fish, I believe. I did a google on Flipped SU(5) falsify and couldn't find much to support your claim, BTW. IN fact the biggest objection to FLipped SU(5) and other such theories is the claim that they don't make falsifiable predictions in the first place. Given THAT (and I don't know if its a valid criticism or not), claiming that Flipped SU(5) has been falsified is a bit odd. Einstein, Hawking both failed in their lifelong quest to find the UF. Perhaps I should join in this blog and tell them that John Hagelin is claiming to have finished this work. That would raise a laugh from any genuine scientists. Maybe even post a link to JHs lectures on the UF, that would be an interesting counterpoint to the nonsense coming from the TBs. But most of that is self-evidently rubbish and the author is probably astonished at the way people are underlining her point about QP without even realising it. Actually Hagelin's work with Flipped SU(5) is still considered first-class, though obviously his consciousness theories aren't taken seriously. L.
[FairfieldLife] Re: On The Program and Off The Program
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: snip Good discussion! You reminded me of my own Ice Cream Caper. In Arosa I once got in hot water when it became known that I had been going into a small cafe to buy a Coup Denmark (Hot fudge Sunday) once a week. I'm serious! I had mentioned to someone how great it tasted and the next thing I knew I was being questioned about my sin. It totally stressed me out for a while but then a little thought startedI'm in trouble for eating ice cream. As I think back this may have been the first chink in the cult armor. Barry's gotten a lot of mileage out of this story, Geeze. He's told it twice here and several more times on alt.m.t. Anyway, here's one of his FFL versions (post #57195). It's a little more colorful than yours; I thought you'd enjoy reading it: - *Anything* is permissible to defend* [the purity of the teaching], including acts that are illegal (such as dismissing a student from a university for wrong thought or sending someone home from a course with no refund for violating a simple (and simple-minded) rule like, Thou shalt go straight to the kitchen after evening lecture and have thy warm milk with cardamon and then go straight to bed and thou shalt do all of this in silence. I had a good friend who has a hilarious way of describ- ing the epiphany of figuring all of this stuff out. He was on an ATR course in Switzerland, and was told in no uncertain terms to follow the above rule. The trouble was, he *hated* warm milk and cardamon. So his routine was to walk across the street to the next hotel and buy an ice-cream cone, and take it back to his room, all in silence. He was called on the carpet for this by the course leaders several times. He ignored them. Finally, he was told in no uncertain terms to show up at a certain time for a tribunal (yes, they really called it that), in which he was to be interrogated, and at the end of which he was either going to be sent home in disgrace, never to be allowed to return to another TM course again, or repent of his evil ways, change his behavior, and be allowed to stay. So he's sitting in this waiting room, waiting, and he's scared. Really scared. His entire life is on the line. He *knows*, from experience, what happens to TM teachers who have been declared off the program. He *knows* that his entire access to advanced techniques or any future teachings from Maharishi is on the line. So he's *justifiably* scared. And then it hits him, in a blinding flash of realization, that he's sitting there quivering in his seat, about to be judged by his betters for the dastardly crime of Eating Ice Cream. He starts to laugh. They call him into the room. He can't stop laughing. He answers none of their questions, because he just can't stop laughing. He finally gets up and leaves the room, and the Inquisitors are so dumbfounded by some- one not being afraid of them that they don't do *anything* about it. He hears not another word about it. He goes back home at the end of his ATR course, and naturally the next time he applies for another course he is barred from attending it. But by this time he really doesn't care, because he's still laughing. - I had always wondered, frankly, whether what you got in trouble for wasn't so much eating ice cream but for leaving the hotel every night, but you say you did it only once a week and don't say whether it was at night, so maybe not. In my own case this would be on Sat afternoons when we had some free time to, uh, walk and talk. Ice cream was kind of a big deal since we only had desert once in a while on these courses. Remember, we were in an environment where the tiniest move away from complete conformity could get you busted, whether it was having an ice cream or buying a copy of the International Herald Tribune to devour the latest Watergate news. (Got written up for that too btw. Man, was I ever an outlaw!)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews
On Apr 26, 2009, at 12:52 PM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: Lurk: I believe this is what is called baiting. And a little cheap IMO. Sal: But fun nonetheless. :) Alright, lurk, here's a true experience of mine, just to show (at least IMO) what brainwashed groupies were in the TMO even years back (of which I consider myself to have been one, BTW, although thankfully not so far gone as I might have been): I was asked by someone who didn't have enough$$ to go on a course if I would help sponsor her, along with a few others. I was applying to the same course, so I said sure. Come to find out a week or two later, she then reported me, after getting the $$, for some minor OTP (gasp!) infringement, can't remember now what it even was. We both got on the course, BTW, but as geeze put it so well, it was just another dent in the armor that many of us wore in order to maintain the fiction that we were actually dealing with normal, well-intentioned people. We weren't. I understand. I got rejected from a course (or going to Zambia back in 77?) based on a very subjective termination by Reed Martin. I was in Livingson Manor at the time, and when it happened, a voice inside me said go home, go home. That may have been when the bonds to TMO started to weaken some. Yeah, you mentioned that you might have described some experience a little too enthusiastically or something, and then they put you on some hit-list. This was one Lisa A who ratted on me, for what I've forgotten. But I'm pretty sure I started hearing the same voice. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum gods don't deserve your faith
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: [...] You do know that there are well-established, credentialed physicists who interpret consciousness in quantum- mechanical terms, right? It's not just Hagelin's idea by any means. As I pointed out, its a trivial thing to come up with a consciousness-like description of physics. The similarities have been noted long before Hagelin. The REAL questions 1) does this approach offer anything to science? Hagelin claimed it did when he did his initial tweaking to FLipped SU(5), but that's an isolated case (see link below). 2) more importantly, is there any fundamental significance to the similarity of the descriptions, or is it just a rather elaborate application of The Law of Fives? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discordianism#Law_of_Fives L
[FairfieldLife] Re: On The Program and Off The Program
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig lengli...@... wrote: So, the mutterings of a beloved 85-year-old I KNOW those funny old people with their mutterings! I'm guessing that you don't hang out with people in their 80's who are with it? [at that time] man are going to be used to prove what... THat he's 85 and somewhat out of touch? Well we are talking about a pitchman for FULL human potential here so it isn't exactly JUST some guy on a park bench. And his mutterings were ironclad policies that affected the lives of many people. Not to mention the blatant hypocrisy of a guy whose own life was extended by Western medical doctors acting as if they were witch doctors to avoid at all cost. It's already obvious that some of those suggestions have been overruled in someway by King Tony or that MMY himself modded the system at some point (like gasp, HE never changed his mind about something). L The Aw shucks routing doesn't fly here. Here is a guy who is supposed to be the embodiment of his own system revealing that it didn't work very well in increasing his own mental capacity and whose physical state not only reveals that he was NOT in possession of knowledge worthy of the grandiose claim of being the supreme authorities on health, he falls wy short of a man I have witnessed using the rasayana Dry Martini followed by sacred cow in as many forms as he could find it. Maharishi was in poor health starting in his 70's in a decade where the martini system produced a man who could still beat me in tennis. (Not trying to make to much of a point of this since I kinda suck at tennis.) I can feel nostalgic for Maharishi too. But that doesn't cloud my vision of the counter evidence to every claim he made about his system that the end of his life represented. If Maharishi in his 70's represents the after picture I'm amazed anyone still follows his supreme health advice. And if he, with his ability to set himself up with the most ideal possible life conditions according to his own theory couldn't at least give us the vitality of the average octarian farmer in the Tuscan countryside knocking back the rocket fuel grappa between bottles of Chianti wine (expect more such references in the coming weeks) what do you think his system is going to accomplish for all those whose economic circumstances don't allow for such perfect compliance to his ideal system? (You know, all the non multi-millionaires) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Doughney mike@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: There is, after all, nowhere one can go to obtain a formal definition of what On The Program means. It's not written down in any Human Resources manual that contains the rules imposed on teachers of TM and/or mere practitioners of the TM technique. Well. Times have changed a bit. It's not exactly a Human Resources manual, but it is a 14 page Overview of Policies and Procedures document for Recertified Governors. According to the file history at Wikileaks.org, it was added there a few days ago, and then the link to it showed up in the TM-Free Blog's sitemeter referral logs. http://tinyurl.com/governor-recert-policies It includes things like a six hour a day program requirement for fulltime Governors, insistence that Ladies teach Ladies and men teach men, and an admonition to not take help from medical Drs. as medical professionals give poison. Thanks for posting this, Mike. I, for one, simply cannot WAIT to hear how the TM defenders on this forum defend this one. That should be very amusing. I also look forward to the looks on the faces of recertified TM teachers attempting to sell the David Lynch Foundation program to a school system when one of the teachers or parents pulls out a printout of this PDF and asks them to explain it. That should be even more amusing. I might add, as a note to TM defenders like Judy who never once met Maharishi that *this* is what a TM Teacher Training Course *sounds like*, and what you missed by never having been on one. Note the careful preservation of Maharishi's broken English so that there can be no question as to who the quote comes from. Suggestions for points to defend in your ongoing quest to do so here on FFL: * Recertified Governors are only hope of the world and you are very few and must know what you are * Even spa people who touch body should start TM�the touch will be softer so they must meditate * We don't give out anything free, except personal checking (for which they have already paid). If you don't charge, wealthy people won't come. * Personnel should be simple, not creative. They have to be faithful to you * World Peace
[FairfieldLife] Re: Despondency
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Kirk kirk_bernha...@... wrote: This is the first action I am engaging in today. My best and only friend moved away. Jobs suck. My wife is extremely busy. I suck. The sooner I die the happier I will be. You all enjoy your trite fun and games. Woohoo Judy and Barry - what a great time. Whatever. Kirk, Google offers access to Usenet (old, DARPA newsgroup format). If you need some ideas, go to [snip] FYI, Kirk unsubscribed right after his last post to FFL on the evening of April 24th. Judging from Facebook, Kirk's in a good mood and not in any need of helpful advice on how to kill himself.
[FairfieldLife] Re: On The Program and Off The Program
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: So, the mutterings of a beloved 85-year-old I KNOW those funny old people with their mutterings! I'm guessing that you don't hang out with people in their 80's who are with it? [at that time] man are going to be used to prove what... THat he's 85 and somewhat out of touch? Well we are talking about a pitchman for FULL human potential here so it isn't exactly JUST some guy on a park bench. And his mutterings were ironclad policies that affected the lives of many people. Not to mention the blatant hypocrisy of a guy whose own life was extended by Western medical doctors acting as if they were witch doctors to avoid at all cost. It's already obvious that some of those suggestions have been overruled in someway by King Tony or that MMY himself modded the system at some point (like gasp, HE never changed his mind about something). L The Aw shucks routing doesn't fly here. Here is a guy who is supposed to be the embodiment of his own system revealing that it didn't work very well in increasing his own mental capacity and whose physical state not only reveals that he was NOT in possession of knowledge worthy of the grandiose claim of being the supreme authorities on health, he falls wy short of a man I have witnessed using the rasayana Dry Martini followed by sacred cow in as many forms as he could find it. Maharishi was in poor health starting in his 70's in a decade where the martini system produced a man who could still beat me in tennis. (Not trying to make to much of a point of this since I kinda suck at tennis.) I can feel nostalgic for Maharishi too. But that doesn't cloud my vision of the counter evidence to every claim he made about his system that the end of his life represented. If Maharishi in his 70's represents the after picture I'm amazed anyone still follows his supreme health advice. And if he, with his ability to set himself up with the most ideal possible life conditions according to his own theory couldn't at least give us the vitality of the average octarian farmer in the Tuscan countryside knocking back the rocket fuel grappa between bottles of Chianti wine (expect more such references in the coming weeks) what do you think his system is going to accomplish for all those whose economic circumstances don't allow for such perfect compliance to his ideal system? (You know, all the non multi-millionaires) So the fact that his health failed him is proof that his system doesn't work, period? Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: Despondency
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal L.Shaddai@ wrote: On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Kirk kirk_bernhardt@ wrote: This is the first action I am engaging in today. My best and only friend moved away. Jobs suck. My wife is extremely busy. I suck. The sooner I die the happier I will be. You all enjoy your trite fun and games. Woohoo Judy and Barry - what a great time. Whatever. Kirk, Google offers access to Usenet (old, DARPA newsgroup format). If you need some ideas, go to [snip] FYI, Kirk unsubscribed right after his last post to FFL on the evening of April 24th. Judging from Facebook, Kirk's in a good mood and not in any need of helpful advice on how to kill himself. Kirk's quoted post is from March 23 in any case.
[FairfieldLife] Re: On The Program and Off The Program
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig lengli...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: So, the mutterings of a beloved 85-year-old I KNOW those funny old people with their mutterings! I'm guessing that you don't hang out with people in their 80's who are with it? [at that time] man are going to be used to prove what... THat he's 85 and somewhat out of touch? Well we are talking about a pitchman for FULL human potential here so it isn't exactly JUST some guy on a park bench. And his mutterings were ironclad policies that affected the lives of many people. Not to mention the blatant hypocrisy of a guy whose own life was extended by Western medical doctors acting as if they were witch doctors to avoid at all cost. It's already obvious that some of those suggestions have been overruled in someway by King Tony or that MMY himself modded the system at some point (like gasp, HE never changed his mind about something). L The Aw shucks routing doesn't fly here. Here is a guy who is supposed to be the embodiment of his own system revealing that it didn't work very well in increasing his own mental capacity and whose physical state not only reveals that he was NOT in possession of knowledge worthy of the grandiose claim of being the supreme authorities on health, he falls wy short of a man I have witnessed using the rasayana Dry Martini followed by sacred cow in as many forms as he could find it. Maharishi was in poor health starting in his 70's in a decade where the martini system produced a man who could still beat me in tennis. (Not trying to make to much of a point of this since I kinda suck at tennis.) I can feel nostalgic for Maharishi too. But that doesn't cloud my vision of the counter evidence to every claim he made about his system that the end of his life represented. If Maharishi in his 70's represents the after picture I'm amazed anyone still follows his supreme health advice. And if he, with his ability to set himself up with the most ideal possible life conditions according to his own theory couldn't at least give us the vitality of the average octarian farmer in the Tuscan countryside knocking back the rocket fuel grappa between bottles of Chianti wine (expect more such references in the coming weeks) what do you think his system is going to accomplish for all those whose economic circumstances don't allow for such perfect compliance to his ideal system? (You know, all the non multi-millionaires) So the fact that his health failed him is proof that his system doesn't work, period? Lawson I wonder - what about this tale of Chopra's about how MMY was (maybe) poisoned and very nearly died? I have no idea if that is true or not (but Chopra seems credible on this?). If true, did MMY perhaps never really fully recover?
[FairfieldLife] Re: On The Program and Off The Program
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig lengli...@... wrote: So the fact that his health failed him is proof that his system doesn't work, period? Lawson Yeah, if it didn't work for him under his ideal conditions then I have no reason to believe it works for anyone. If you add this evidence to the unremarkable health of the rest of the movement you start to see a pattern of grandiose claims getting shot down by the facts. I put his claims in the low probability bin along with phrenology. I am not interested in being certain about it because that is rarely my goal in my personal knowledge. I'm a probabilities man. But of course YMMV, and if we push the thousand and first reindeer off the roof, we can't be certain that he won't fly. Now if he had been pitching a system that might or might not help you in any way to improve your health and mental functioning I might not be so inclined to give him the royal raspberry. But with is arrogant dismissal of the medical system along with his own bloviated pronouncements of the greatness of his system, one superlative after another into the sunset, crowing about his own supreme whatever... I'm not inclined to give him a break. But being the research minded guy you are Lawson, you might have some research you find compelling in a way that makes all my anecdotal observations irrelevant. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: So, the mutterings of a beloved 85-year-old I KNOW those funny old people with their mutterings! I'm guessing that you don't hang out with people in their 80's who are with it? [at that time] man are going to be used to prove what... THat he's 85 and somewhat out of touch? Well we are talking about a pitchman for FULL human potential here so it isn't exactly JUST some guy on a park bench. And his mutterings were ironclad policies that affected the lives of many people. Not to mention the blatant hypocrisy of a guy whose own life was extended by Western medical doctors acting as if they were witch doctors to avoid at all cost. It's already obvious that some of those suggestions have been overruled in someway by King Tony or that MMY himself modded the system at some point (like gasp, HE never changed his mind about something). L The Aw shucks routing doesn't fly here. Here is a guy who is supposed to be the embodiment of his own system revealing that it didn't work very well in increasing his own mental capacity and whose physical state not only reveals that he was NOT in possession of knowledge worthy of the grandiose claim of being the supreme authorities on health, he falls wy short of a man I have witnessed using the rasayana Dry Martini followed by sacred cow in as many forms as he could find it. Maharishi was in poor health starting in his 70's in a decade where the martini system produced a man who could still beat me in tennis. (Not trying to make to much of a point of this since I kinda suck at tennis.) I can feel nostalgic for Maharishi too. But that doesn't cloud my vision of the counter evidence to every claim he made about his system that the end of his life represented. If Maharishi in his 70's represents the after picture I'm amazed anyone still follows his supreme health advice. And if he, with his ability to set himself up with the most ideal possible life conditions according to his own theory couldn't at least give us the vitality of the average octarian farmer in the Tuscan countryside knocking back the rocket fuel grappa between bottles of Chianti wine (expect more such references in the coming weeks) what do you think his system is going to accomplish for all those whose economic circumstances don't allow for such perfect compliance to his ideal system? (You know, all the non multi-millionaires) So the fact that his health failed him is proof that his system doesn't work, period? Lawson
