--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, It's just a ride
bill.hicks.all.a.r...@... wrote:
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 12:15 PM, scienceofabundance
no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
As someone who chose the gay lifestyle having carefully
considered all other options available to me, I
This NYTimes article illustrates humorously some of the pointed differences
between Hinduism and Buddhism, ones that we see playing out in the
philosophically Hindu Fairfield community, and in the way Maharishi dealt with
his own health, mortality, and self portrait; and that are specific to
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey no_re...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
Her fantasies always revolve
around how her enemies fear her
and are devastated by her
shouted insults
There's a shopping cart lady on my block
And this is what I basically had to say:
Bill was saying that President Obama, needed to be more aggressive, now that
the Republican machine, has declared war on a change in the mafia health care
system...
Bill was saying Obama, needed to be more of a 'Warrior' and I was saying he
needed to
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Robert babajii...@... wrote:
And this is what I basically had to say:
Bill was saying that President Obama, needed to be more aggressive,
now that the Republican machine, has declared war on a change in the
mafia
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:
snip
That is what reminded me of the shopping cart
lady in my 'hood. She was standing in the middle
of Sin Street yesterday, screaming at everyone
as they passed, calling them names, and NO ONE
PAID HER EVEN THE LEAST BIT OF
On Jul 22, 2009, at 9:34 PM, azgrey wrote:
Brunhilde with an Intel chip on her shoulder.
She actually prefers the more American Broom Hilda, as she's more
widely known, for her habit of dressing up in out-of-place costumes
that no one recognizes but her.
On Jul 23, 2009, at 3:11 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
I think she actually believes it. It seems like she
really believes she inspires fear in people whose
contact with her is thru photons and electrons
over fiber-optic cable and copper wire.
Brunhilde with an Intel chip on her shoulder.
I
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
On Jul 22, 2009, at 9:34 PM, azgrey wrote:
Brunhilde with an Intel chip on her shoulder.
She actually prefers the more American Broom Hilda, as she's
more widely known, for her habit of dressing up in out-of-place
costumes
The Elders are an independent group of eminent global leaders,
On the science alone, Hagelin and David Lynch going forth against doctrinal
and mythic religion arguing forward with science and experience should be an
included part of this council of elders now at the end of of this yuga.
On Jul 23, 2009, at 9:02 AM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote:
The Elders are an independent group of eminent global leaders,
On the science alone, Hagelin and David Lynch going forth against
doctrinal and mythic religion arguing forward with science and
experience should be an included part of this
I don't think Shri Aurobindo or the Ramana Marshy
got a guru mantra from anyone, or that they had
an acharya to get one from.
Bhairitu wrote:
Are you sure?
Yes, I am fairly sure that Sri Aurobindo didn't have a
guru that gave hime a 'guru mantra'. And I don't recall
Ramana having an
Interesting reactions ...
Watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Srwfkt2jp_Q
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Alex Stanley
j_alexander_stanley@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 8:42 PM, scienceofabundance
Most women get along very well with gay men.
Both men and women are good at not insulting people /to their face/ and
keeping their feelings towards others private except within a small, close
circle of friends and lovers.
UN forecasts predict that the global
population will top 9 billion by 2050
The report, An Aging World: 2008, shows that within 10 years older people will
outnumber children for the first time. It forecasts that over the next 30 years
the number of over-65s is expected to almost double, from
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
On Jul 23, 2009, at 9:02 AM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote:
The Elders are an independent group of eminent global leaders,
On the science alone, Hagelin and David Lynch going forth against
doctrinal and mythic religion arguing
On Jul 23, 2009, at 11:26 AM, off_world_beings wrote:
Perhaps they could start their own called The Mythologizers or
The Vedic Pretenders? Or how about The Rajas of the Unified Field?
The Bozons?
They already have one. Its called The Global Country of World
Peace. ( which sounds better,
Peer-Reviewed Study Rocks Climate Debate! 'Nature not man responsible
for recent global warming...little or none of late 20th century warming
and cooling can be attributed to humans'
'Surge in global temps since 1977 can be attributed to a 1976 climate
shift in the Pacific Ocean'
Wednesday, July
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley
j_alexander_stan...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Alex Stanley
j_alexander_stanley@ wrote:
--- In
Enjoy!
http://www.colinandrews.net/index.html
Robert wrote:
And this is what I basically had to say:
Bill was saying that President Obama, needed to be more aggressive, now that
the Republican machine, has declared war on a change in the mafia health
care system...
Bill was saying Obama, needed to be more of a 'Warrior' and I was
The Christianists in Texas want to force their fringe religious and political
views into the Texas educational curriculum. -jrm
Barton, a former vice-chairman of the
state's Republican party, said that
Texas children should no longer be
taught about democratic values but
republican ones.
We
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
snip
That is what reminded me of the shopping cart
lady in my 'hood. She was standing in the middle
of Sin Street yesterday, screaming at everyone
as they
I'm wondering if this is the same McLean, also from Australia--not a
climate scientist, but someone with a Bachelors in Architecture of
all things--who used to front the so-called Australian Climate
Science Coalition...that didn't actually have any climate scientists
in it! In other words,
Stay Calm...
Bhairitu wrote:
Time for Civil War II...
So much for a bi-partisan bill!
So, how many Democrats won't vote for the
current health care reform bill? And how
many Repugs will for it, even if it
bankrupts the nation?
I am waiting to hear the outrage in the
press, over the
Fascism/Status Quo/Extortion
off_world_beings wrote:
Nice !
Yeah, real nice, a health care plan that will
cost over one trillion dollars, and probably
three trillion dollars, and still not cover every
American, and run by the federal government.
Now that's real nice!
Each proposal carries
This will be laughed out of court. Those are some dubious researchers:
Chris de Frietus:
Formerly one of the editors of a journal called Climate Research, de
Freitas was involved
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/category/story.cfm?c_id=26objectid=3516830
in a controversy surrounding a research
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley
j_alexander_stanley@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
This will be laughed out of court. Those are some dubious researchers:
Chris de Frietus:
Formerly one of the editors of a journal called Climate Research, de
Freitas was involved
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/category/story.cfm?c_id=26objectid=3516830
in a controversy surrounding a research
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley
j_alexander_stan...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley
j_alexander_stanley@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
A new Pew Research poll finds the image of the United States has improved
markedly in most parts of the world reflecting global confidence in Barack
Obama.
In many countries, opinions of the U.S. are now about as positive as they were
at the beginning of the decade before George W. Bush
WillyTex wrote:
Stay Calm...
Bhairitu wrote:
Time for Civil War II...
So much for a bi-partisan bill!
So, how many Democrats won't vote for the
current health care reform bill? And how
many Repugs will for it, even if it
bankrupts the nation?
I am waiting to hear the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , WillyTex no_re...@... wrote:
Fascism/Status Quo/Extortion
off_world_beings wrote:
Nice !
Yeah, real nice, a health care plan that will
cost over one trillion dollars,
Nope, but your country is bankrupt
Robert wrote:
Fight these forces by mirroring what they
say back to them...
Yeah, fight the fukin' Americans who say no
to spending trillions of dollars on a health
care system run by the federal government!
Yeah, fight the fukin' Americans who say
that improving the U.S. economy is more
off_world_beings wrote:
...your country is bankrupt without it boy...
Sort of like your country is bankrupt WITH a
government run health care system? The U.S.
already has a government health care system:
it's called welfare. Now, when was the last
time you saw a government system that wasn't
Bhairitu wrote:
The health care crooks are already bankrupting
the nation! Do you realize that what we've spent
in the last few years romping around blowing
up things in Iraq and elsewhere could have paid
for the health care for every individual in this
country for 10 years!
Screw you, I
While the hardest-working and most productive are
bled, a third of all wage-earners pay no U.S. income
tax, and Obama plans to free almost half of all
wage-earners of all income taxes.
Yet, tens of millions get Medicaid, rent supplements,
free education, food stamps, welfare and an annual
check
If other thoughts rise, one should, without
attempting to complete them, enquire, 'To whom
did they arise?', it will be known 'To me'.
If one then enquires 'Who am I?', the mind
(power of attention) will turn back to its
source. By repeatedly practising thus, the
power of the mind to abide in its
The supermind is the active principle present in the
transcendent Satchidananda as well in the roots of
evolution: a unitary level of which our individual
minds and bodies are minuscule subdivisions...
Read more:
Sri Aurobindo:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Aurobindo
We cannot but regard Mrs. Clinton as a funny lady as she likes to utter such
rhetoric, unaware of the elementary etiquette in the international community,
Sometimes she looks like a primary schoolgirl and sometimes a pensioner going
shopping.
Ha, hagads, can you imagine her as President?,
Vaj wrote:
I respond to factual inaccuracies, lies and
misstatements as I see them and when I see
fit...
There seems to be some confusion here: all the
Upanishadic realized masters of India advocated
dualistic techniques to arrive at the Absolute,
including Shankara, Ramana Marshy, Sri
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wg...@... wrote:
We cannot but regard Mrs. Clinton as a funny lady as she likes to utter such
rhetoric, unaware of the elementary etiquette in the international community,
Sometimes she looks like a primary schoolgirl and sometimes a pensioner
BillyG wrote:
...can you imagine her as President?
Sexism, a term coined in the mid-20th century,
refers to the belief or attitude that one gender
or sex is inferior to, less competent, or less
valuable than the other...
Sexism:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexism
Too boring, sexist pundits, just like the TMO.
Google Groups:
http://tinyurl.com/c7b4oo
Too%20boring.%20%20Google%20Groups:%20http://tinyurl.com/c7b4oo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:
The problem with the standard line of bullcrap
above is that the TMO does not have enough examples
of people who have just meditated and gone to
residence courses whom most in the outside world
would think of as decent
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wg...@... wrote:
We cannot but regard Mrs. Clinton as a funny lady as she likes to utter such
rhetoric, unaware of the elementary etiquette in the international community,
Sometimes she looks like a primary schoolgirl and sometimes a pensioner
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, scienceofabundance no_reply@ wrote:
--snip--
Most women get along very well with gay men. However, there has always been
a small minority of women who seem to highly (I mean over-the-top) despise
gay men and seem to particularly rant about gay men
From MVCCSA.com superb, fresh Maharishi Vedic Organic Agriculture
produce, the best I've ever had! Good variety. Fifteen weeks worth
of full boxes $30/week, half boxes $15, paid up front. Weekly
pickups on Thursdays. The full boxes have been a wonderful value I
share with two friends, so
From: Office of Raja Hagelin communicat...@tm.org
Enjoy an Amazing Evening of Inspiration and Fun!
Raja John Hagelin
David Lynch (live via webcast)
Paul McCartney, Ringo Starr, and Jerry Seinfeld
(Exclusive concert footage from Radio City Music Hall)
Saturday, July 25, 8:00 PM
Maharishi
Aurobindo had no sat-guru. He did have a Vaishnava yogi as a upa-guru who gave
him a most important technique. I paraphrase from memory from his Letters on
Yoga.
*This will be easy for you since you are a poet and are used to watching
thoughts form out of stillness. Sit and watch these
WillyTex wrote:
Bhairitu wrote:
The health care crooks are already bankrupting
the nation! Do you realize that what we've spent
in the last few years romping around blowing
up things in Iraq and elsewhere could have paid
for the health care for every individual in this
country for 10
WillyTex wrote:
While the hardest-working and most productive are
bled, a third of all wage-earners pay no U.S. income
tax, and Obama plans to free almost half of all
wage-earners of all income taxes.
Hardest working or most skilled at cons? I always laugh at the idea
that Bill Gates
.
Jai Guru Dev
___
Invest and help to SAVE the Capital in Seelisber!
(You might have heard, International wants to sell it.) Read this letter of a
friend of mine.
Ank keep the following in mind:
Lately in the last years when Maharishi was
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , WillyTex no_re...@... wrote:
off_world_beings wrote:
...your country is bankrupt without it boy...
Sort of like your country is bankrupt WITH a
government run health care system?
Oh dear, the pound rebounds.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/post?postID=WTT0EK3vPN5mGAJ\
CLKET8xy2nuz55d2gdQnP0EE8ezRCCIc8xi-W3X7qcOz1U9siXDpY0F_AD83dWnOCZcebjwD\
7GUg , WillyTex no_re...@... wrote:
off_world_beings wrote:
...your country is bankrupt without it boy...
Scotsman beats Ben Johnson - when the race was fair.
Scotsman Alan Wells winning in the Commonwealth 100m final against Ben
Johnson, before world record breaker Johnson reportedly started taking
enhancement drugs:
Wells is the second from the left, second closest to the camera:
This film released this week on DVD. I liked it better than the
original The Messengers which I expected much from due to it being a
Pang Brothers film. But something went wrong with that production and
it was a disappointment. This one is much better. Todd Farmer, who
wrote the original
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@...
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
Sexist men are like badgers. Poke them with a stick labeled
sexist and watch what happens.
Scenario One:
I don't particularly think much of FFL poster X,
To All:
After attempting to understanding the current scientific ideas relating to the
quantum world, it appears that MMY's ideas about the basis of consciousness are
just as valid and could be used as the standard model to describe the behaviour
of the quantum phenomena.
MMY has stated that
Maharishi College of Perfect Health
Vlodrop, The Netherlands
Training Course in
Maharishi Light Therapy with Gems (MLG)
Date: 29.09. 16.10.2009 (arrival on 28.09. and departure on
17.10.)
You are welcome to extend your stay so that you can also enjoy the
celebrations of Victory Day on
What part of the practise of the TM technique will be made redundant by light
therapy?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote:
Maharishi College of Perfect Health
Vlodrop, The Netherlands
Training Course in
Maharishi Light Therapy with Gems (MLG)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, scienceofabundance no_re...@...
MMY said that at the time the Buddha left the body, 500 of his disciples were
enlightened. That being the case, according to MMY, with all the technologies
he/TMO had at their disposal (at that time, video for recording
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays dickm...@... wrote:
From MVCCSA.com superb, fresh Maharishi Vedic Organic Agriculture
produce, the best I've ever had! Good variety. Fifteen weeks worth
of full boxes $30/week, half boxes $15, paid up front. Weekly
pickups on Thursdays.
On Jul 23, 2009, at 5:26 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote:
I was on the boat on the Rhine when Maharishi made that comment. It
was on the Buddha Yayanti in may of 1982. He gave a lecture on the
nature of Buddha that lasted 4 hours; 4 hours full of love and
respect for this Great Being. Hopefully
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 4:21 PM, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@netscape.netwrote:
What part of the practise of the TM technique will be made redundant by
light therapy?
Perhaps part of the outer light practice?
http://news.aol.com/article/humans-glow/584160
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays dickmays@ wrote:
From MVCCSA.com superb, fresh Maharishi Vedic Organic Agriculture
produce, the best I've ever had! Good variety. Fifteen weeks worth
of full boxes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, scienceofabundance no_reply@
MMY said that at the time the Buddha left the body, 500 of his disciples
were enlightened. That being the case, according to MMY, with all the
On Jul 23, 2009, at 5:21 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
What part of the practise of the TM technique will be made redundant
by light therapy?
According to scientific research on TM mentioned by Lawson English in
post 91201, TMers' when practicing to TM technique become dark in
terms of their
Robert wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote:
How Eating Red Meat Can Spur Cancer Progression: New Mechanism Identified:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/11/081113181428.htm
OffWorld
This reminds me of Robert's classic antidote
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@...
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays dickmays@ wrote:
From MVCCSA.com superb, fresh Maharishi Vedic Organic Agriculture
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, scienceofabundance no_re...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, scienceofabundance no_reply@
MMY said that at the time the Buddha left the body, 500 of his
On Jul 23, 2009, at 6:54 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote:
Maharishi is sweetness incarnated, as is the Buddha.
He was a diabetic Nabby. There are many sweetness incarnated people.
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The Elders are an independent group of eminent global leaders,
On the science alone, Hagelin and David Lynch going forth against
doctrinal and mythic religion arguing forward with science and
experience should be an included part of this council of elders now
at the end of of
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Scroll down for English version!
Hallo liebe Leute!
Anbei sende ich Euch eine Initiative von Kurt Matti, einem befreundeten
TM-Lehrer. Er bittet darum, dass ein jeder von Euch, der diesen Aufruf erhält,
diesen bitte an so viele interessierte
On Jul 23, 2009, at 8:55 PM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote:
The Elders are an independent group of eminent global leaders,
On the science alone, Hagelin and David Lynch going forth against
doctrinal and mythic religion arguing forward with science and
experience should be an included part of
To All Meditators, Sidhas and Governors:
‘Please Help President Obama’
In order to help pass Universal Health Care, in the United States...
We must now, summon our developed yogic powers, to help President Obama...
By creating an atmosphere, where we vibrate the possibility of Universal Health
On Jul 23, 2009, at 7:36 PM, Alex Stanley wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount
ffl.postco...@... wrote:
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Om. Yes, on health insurance reform. Om.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote:
To All Meditators, Sidhas and Governors:
âPlease Help President Obamaâ
In order to help pass Universal Health Care, in the United States...
We must now, summon our developed
The mid 70's when all the weirdness was beginning to flower.
--- On Thu, 7/23/09, michael vedamer...@yahoo.de wrote:
From: michael vedamer...@yahoo.de
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi's Seelisberg [4 Attachments]
To:
Date: Thursday, July 23, 2009, 7:07 PM
We should commend Jimmy Carter for taking a bold stance on this issue.
Unfortunately, old habits of culture and religion are hard to change.
yea, this is called extreme civil virtue and is courageous as they (the
elders) each show it.
These Elder folk in particular are heroic and none
Hallelujah, Sweet Baby Jesus!
--- On Fri, 7/24/09, Robert babajii...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: Robert babajii...@yahoo.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'Doing Sanyama on Universal Health Care'
To: fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, July 24, 2009, 2:24 AM
To All Meditators, Sidhas and
Om I need sumbodytotake care of me om
--- On Fri, 7/24/09, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@yahoo.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Doing Sanyama on Universal Health Care'
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, July 24, 2009, 2:27 AM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
Have you had an opportunity to listen to Bevanji's lecture on this
topic Nabby?
Bevan is no Bevanji to me but a Gurubai. He's a sincere disciple in a league
and on a level you obviously know anything about.
Without him being
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
Have you had an opportunity to listen to Bevanji's lecture on this
topic Nabby?
Bevan is no Bevanji to me but a Gurubai. He's a sincere disciple in a
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@...
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount ffl.postcount@ wrote:
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http://tinyurl.com/nh5pp6
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@
wrote:
Sexist men are like badgers. Poke them with a stick labeled
sexist and watch what happens.
I don't particularly think much of FFL poster Y, because
http://tinyurl.com/nfadau
http://tinyurl.com/kuxssr
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex no_re...@... wrote:
BillyG wrote:
...can you imagine her as President?
Sexism, a term coined in the mid-20th century,
refers to the belief or attitude that one gender
or sex is inferior to, less competent, or less
valuable than the other...
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