Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To whom should Rick give FFL?
From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 11:13 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: To whom should Rick give FFL?
Yes, I hope to have a proposalto Rick on May 1st about this. -in Fairfield,
Iowa.
Poor Buck. Late as usual, and having missed the bus. Such proposals were due
a month earlier, back on April Fool's Day. :-)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
It's a shame that this joint isn't something much better. Sorry, but Rick's
hands-off policy is the basis of it.
Rick, I'm sure you are UP-TIGHT about whom you'll next interview at BATGAP, but
why didn't you have this same zeal for righteousness when it came to shaping
the FFL experience? Instead you've let every miscreant throw shit-pies into
the faces of some very solid thinkers.
A few simple rules could have been applied by a hands-ON policy, and the
posters would have learned to be civil enough.
Clearly the trolls have sundered the very idea of community. Allowing them to
be, well, vicious, is the very heart of the wrongness here.
And some of the best people here have been as wickedly abrasive as any of the
others.
I'm guilty, of course, but WOULD I HAVE BEEN such a shit-heel here if there'd
been some discipline laid on all of us? I DON'T THINK SO.
So who would be a good moderator that could keep the hate-addicts from puking
acid-chime everywhere?
And here's the strange part: almost anyone here could easily be the best
moderator ever if but the intent and the power were there. Does anyone care
about the potential of FFL enough to try to suss out a neo-POV about our agenda
here?
Aaand, now we wait for Willy to say something which clearly
indicates that he thinks I'm a fucking diseased turd saturated with
maggots...because HE PROJECTS.
If I were a mod, and I don't want to be, but if I were, Willy's unkindness
would be punished severely. As would be my above jab at him. But his stupidity
and puffed up ego would be welcomed under my rule. His go figure would have
him outted from here for a year at least. That would be my standard for troll
derisiveness.
Let's pretend FFL is a nice place and see how we'd handle this issue of having
a Moral and Psychologically Supportive moderator here.
Suggestions? I would vote for Judy in heartbeat -- didn't we all get up when
she came back -- even though she was still the same old crab?
I would even let Jim take over if he but did the policing fairly.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Faith v Facts
Thanks again for posting thought-provoking material, Salyavin. While the
whiners are busy pointing fingers and blaming others for not posting anything
of value, you point out how lame they are by...wait for it...simply posting
something of value.
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 10:33 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Faith v Facts
JERUSALEM — MOST of us find it mind-boggling that some people seem willing
to ignore the facts — on climate change, on vaccines, on health care — if the
facts conflict with their sense of what someone like them believes. “But those
are the facts,” you want to say. “It seems weird to deny them.”And yet a broad
group of scholars is beginning to demonstrate that religious belief and factual
belief are indeed different kinds of mental creatures. People process evidence
differently when they think with a factual mind-set rather than with a
religious mind-set. Even what they count as evidence is different. And they are
motivated differently, based on what they conclude. On what grounds do scholars
make such claims?Faith vs. Facts
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|||| Faith vs. Facts People reason differently when they
think about God.||
| View on www.nytimes.com |Preview by Yahoo|
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Faith v Facts
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Thanks again for posting thought-provoking material, Salyavin. While the whiners are busy pointing fingers and blaming others for not posting anything of value, you point out how lame they are by...wait for it...simply posting something of value. I thought it was interesting, especially as real lives depend on a Palestinian state. It popped up on Richard Dawkin's Facebook page last night and I was going to post a back-story but I was busy watching the snooker (no sense of priority me): In 2004 I got a letter printed in the Guardian and it was about Richard Dawkins. He'd just made a spectacularly crass statement about stupid people praying in the aftermath of the Boxing day tsunami. Obviously if God was going to help he would have stopped the thing in the first place but an intellectual appraisal of where to direct their energy isn't what people really needed to hear at that moment in time. My letter was about how Dawkins - who held the chair for the public understanding of science at Oxford University - might be better off working towards a scientific understanding of the public. And here it is. May it help him keep his foot out of his mouth. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 10:33 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Faith v Facts JERUSALEM — MOST of us find it mind-boggling that some people seem willing to ignore the facts — on climate change, on vaccines, on health care — if the facts conflict with their sense of what someone like them believes. “But those are the facts,” you want to say. “It seems weird to deny them.” And yet a broad group of scholars is beginning to demonstrate that religious belief and factual belief are indeed different kinds of mental creatures. People process evidence differently when they think with a factual mind-set rather than with a religious mind-set. Even what they count as evidence is different. And they are motivated differently, based on what they conclude. On what grounds do scholars make such claims? Faith vs. Facts http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/19/opinion/sunday/t-m-luhrmann-faith-vs-facts.html?_r=2 http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/19/opinion/sunday/t-m-luhrmann-faith-vs-facts.html?_r=2 Faith vs. Facts http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/19/opinion/sunday/t-m-luhrmann-faith-vs-facts.html?_r=2 People reason differently when they think about God. View on www.nytimes.com http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/19/opinion/sunday/t-m-luhrmann-faith-vs-facts.html?_r=2 Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Faith v Facts
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
Thanks again for posting thought-provoking material, Salyavin. While the
whiners are busy pointing fingers and blaming others for not posting anything
of value, you point out how lame they are by...wait for it...simply posting
something of value.
I thought it was interesting, especially as real lives depend on a Palestinian
state.
It popped up on Richard Dawkin's Facebook page last night and I was going to
post a back-story but I was busy watching the snooker (no sense of priority me):
In 2004 I got a letter printed in the Guardian and it was about Richard
Dawkins. He'd just made a spectacularly crass statement about stupid people
praying in the aftermath of the Boxing day tsunami. Obviously if God was going
to help he would have stopped the thing in the first place but an intellectual
appraisal of where to direct their energy isn't what people really needed to
hear at that moment in time.
My letter was about how Dawkins - who held the chair for the public
understanding of science at Oxford University - might be better off working
towards a scientific understanding of the public. And here it is. May it help
him keep his foot out of his mouth.
It's an interesting dichotomy. Normally rational people -- some of them even
so-called scientists -- seem to have this background process running in their
brains that scans every new situation they encounter and shunts it into one of
two cubbyholes:
A -- This is an issue that has to do with real-world events and facts...engage
brain and use it.
B -- This is an issue that has to do with faith or belief -- disengage brain
because it's not needed.
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 10:33 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Faith v Facts
JERUSALEM — MOST of us find it mind-boggling that some people seem willing to
ignore the facts — on climate change, on vaccines, on health care — if the
facts conflict with their sense of what someone like them believes. “But those
are the facts,” you want to say. “It seems weird to deny them.”And yet a broad
group of scholars is beginning to demonstrate that religious belief and factual
belief are indeed different kinds of mental creatures. People process evidence
differently when they think with a factual mind-set rather than with a
religious mind-set. Even what they count as evidence is different. And they are
motivated differently, based on what they conclude. On what grounds do scholars
make such claims?Faith vs. Facts
| |
| | | | Faith vs. Facts People reason differently when they think
about God. | |
| View on www.nytimes.com| Preview by Yahoo |
| |
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RE: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL?
I don’t know whether anyone could fairly and objectively moderate this forum, including myself. Rules can be conceived and written, but enforcing them would require constant monitoring and decision-making. The judgments would necessarily be very subjective. Some offenses would be so egregious as to be clear-cut, but most would be some shade of grey. It would be a thankless full-time job, performed poorly. Most FFL participants would probably not appreciate it, and would vote for a return to the days of no moderation. So I guess FFL will continue to be a bunch of rough stones in a tumbler, gradually and painfully chipping away at one another’s rough edges, and perhaps eventually becoming smooth. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 4:00 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL? It's a shame that this joint isn't something much better. Sorry, but Rick's hands-off policy is the basis of it. Rick, I'm sure you are UP-TIGHT about whom you'll next interview at BATGAP, but why didn't you have this same zeal for righteousness when it came to shaping the FFL experience? Instead you've let every miscreant throw shit-pies into the faces of some very solid thinkers. A few simple rules could have been applied by a hands-ON policy, and the posters would have learned to be civil enough. Clearly the trolls have sundered the very idea of community. Allowing them to be, well, vicious, is the very heart of the wrongness here. And some of the best people here have been as wickedly abrasive as any of the others. I'm guilty, of course, but WOULD I HAVE BEEN such a shit-heel here if there'd been some discipline laid on all of us? I DON'T THINK SO. So who would be a good moderator that could keep the hate-addicts from puking acid-chime everywhere? And here's the strange part: almost anyone here could easily be the best moderator ever if but the intent and the power were there. Does anyone care about the potential of FFL enough to try to suss out a neo-POV about our agenda here? Aaand, now we wait for Willy to say something which clearly indicates that he thinks I'm a fucking diseased turd saturated with maggots...because HE PROJECTS. If I were a mod, and I don't want to be, but if I were, Willy's unkindness would be punished severely. As would be my above jab at him. But his stupidity and puffed up ego would be welcomed under my rule. His go figure would have him outted from here for a year at least. That would be my standard for troll derisiveness. Let's pretend FFL is a nice place and see how we'd handle this issue of having a Moral and Psychologically Supportive moderator here. Suggestions? I would vote for Judy in heartbeat -- didn't we all get up when she came back -- even though she was still the same old crab? I would even let Jim take over if he but did the policing fairly.
Re: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL?
Thanks for weighing in, Rick.
For me, the issue is as simple as this -- to be a completely fair moderator,
one would have to read every post made to Fairfield Life. But he or she would
also have to also be admirable enough that other people -- the moderated --
would trust his/her judgement.
And therein lies the rub. Who could possibly admire or trust anyone so lame as
to be willing to read every post made to Fairfield Life? :-)
From: 'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 2:04 PM
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL?
I don’t know whether anyone could fairly and objectively moderate this
forum, including myself. Rules can be conceived and written, but enforcing them
would require constant monitoring and decision-making. The judgments would
necessarily be very subjective. Some offenses would be so egregious as to be
clear-cut, but most would be some shade of grey. It would be a thankless
full-time job, performed poorly. Most FFL participants would probably not
appreciate it, and would vote for a return to the days of no moderation. So I
guess FFL will continue to be a bunch of rough stones in a tumbler, gradually
and painfully chipping away at one another’s rough edges, and perhaps
eventually becoming smooth. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Duveyoung
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 4:00 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL? It's a shame that
this joint isn't something much better. Sorry, but Rick's hands-off policy is
the basis of it. Rick, I'm sure you are UP-TIGHT about whom you'll next
interview at BATGAP, but why didn't you have this same zeal for righteousness
when it came to shaping the FFL experience? Instead you've let every miscreant
throw shit-pies into the faces of some very solid thinkers. A few simple rules
could have been applied by a hands-ON policy, and the posters would have
learned to be civil enough.
Clearly the trolls have sundered the very idea of community. Allowing them to
be, well, vicious, is the very heart of the wrongness here.
And some of the best people here have been as wickedly abrasive as any of the
others.
I'm guilty, of course, but WOULD I HAVE BEEN such a shit-heel here if there'd
been some discipline laid on all of us? I DON'T THINK SO.
So who would be a good moderator that could keep the hate-addicts from puking
acid-chime everywhere?
And here's the strange part: almost anyone here could easily be the best
moderator ever if but the intent and the power were there. Does anyone care
about the potential of FFL enough to try to suss out a neo-POV about our agenda
here?
Aaand, now we wait for Willy to say something which clearly
indicates that he thinks I'm a fucking diseased turd saturated with
maggots...because HE PROJECTS.
If I were a mod, and I don't want to be, but if I were, Willy's unkindness
would be punished severely. As would be my above jab at him. But his stupidity
and puffed up ego would be welcomed under my rule. His go figure would have
him outted from here for a year at least. That would be my standard for troll
derisiveness.
Let's pretend FFL is a nice place and see how we'd handle this issue of having
a Moral and Psychologically Supportive moderator here.
Suggestions? I would vote for Judy in heartbeat -- didn't we all get up when
she came back -- even though she was still the same old crab?
I would even let Jim take over if he but did the policing fairly.
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RE: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : I don’t know whether anyone could fairly and objectively moderate this forum, including myself. Rules can be conceived and written, but enforcing them would require constant monitoring and decision-making. The judgments would necessarily be very subjective. Some offenses would be so egregious as to be clear-cut, but most would be some shade of grey. It would be a thankless full-time job, performed poorly. Most FFL participants would probably not appreciate it, and would vote for a return to the days of no moderation. So I guess FFL will continue to be a bunch of rough stones in a tumbler, gradually and painfully chipping away at one another’s rough edges, and perhaps eventually becoming smooth. Nicely put. I think the only thing , missing here is actual news from Fairfield. Maybe yourself or Buck (I'm hoping Buck) could fill us in on movement activities. I think it would do Buck good to have something to contribute rather than just whining about what everyone else talks about. How is the mental health group coming along? What are the pundits up to? Are new people moving in to replace those who move on? Anything will do. You never know, it might spark a conversation which is what we are sitting here waiting for. Willy and Seventhray need to be set free though. There isn't any way anything they write now could be seen to be constructive. They contribute nothing except entropy. I admire your optimism if you think they'll change but it's been a long time and a waste of life for the pair of them. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 4:00 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL? It's a shame that this joint isn't something much better. Sorry, but Rick's hands-off policy is the basis of it. Rick, I'm sure you are UP-TIGHT about whom you'll next interview at BATGAP, but why didn't you have this same zeal for righteousness when it came to shaping the FFL experience? Instead you've let every miscreant throw shit-pies into the faces of some very solid thinkers. A few simple rules could have been applied by a hands-ON policy, and the posters would have learned to be civil enough. Clearly the trolls have sundered the very idea of community. Allowing them to be, well, vicious, is the very heart of the wrongness here. And some of the best people here have been as wickedly abrasive as any of the others. I'm guilty, of course, but WOULD I HAVE BEEN such a shit-heel here if there'd been some discipline laid on all of us? I DON'T THINK SO. So who would be a good moderator that could keep the hate-addicts from puking acid-chime everywhere? And here's the strange part: almost anyone here could easily be the best moderator ever if but the intent and the power were there. Does anyone care about the potential of FFL enough to try to suss out a neo-POV about our agenda here? Aaand, now we wait for Willy to say something which clearly indicates that he thinks I'm a fucking diseased turd saturated with maggots...because HE PROJECTS. If I were a mod, and I don't want to be, but if I were, Willy's unkindness would be punished severely. As would be my above jab at him. But his stupidity and puffed up ego would be welcomed under my rule. His go figure would have him outted from here for a year at least. That would be my standard for troll derisiveness. Let's pretend FFL is a nice place and see how we'd handle this issue of having a Moral and Psychologically Supportive moderator here. Suggestions? I would vote for Judy in heartbeat -- didn't we all get up when she came back -- even though she was still the same old crab? I would even let Jim take over if he but did the policing fairly.
RE: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL?
Ha! The obligatory positive exit comment. Ain't gonna happen. Barry is in charge here. And his saving grace is Buck and John, and Lawson, giving Barry an opportunity to burnish his self proclaimed reputation as a cult slayer, often by his gift of creating straw man arguments. It is telling that Barry feels FFL, is finally coming into its own. To most other observers, it's a boring ass place, made interesting by seeing Barry's pals suck up to him on daily basis. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : So I guess FFL will continue to be a bunch of rough stones in a tumbler, gradually and painfully chipping away at one another’s rough edges, and perhaps eventually becoming smooth. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 4:00 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL? It's a shame that this joint isn't something much better. Sorry, but Rick's hands-off policy is the basis of it. Rick, I'm sure you are UP-TIGHT about whom you'll next interview at BATGAP, but why didn't you have this same zeal for righteousness when it came to shaping the FFL experience? Instead you've let every miscreant throw shit-pies into the faces of some very solid thinkers. A few simple rules could have been applied by a hands-ON policy, and the posters would have learned to be civil enough. Clearly the trolls have sundered the very idea of community. Allowing them to be, well, vicious, is the very heart of the wrongness here. And some of the best people here have been as wickedly abrasive as any of the others. I'm guilty, of course, but WOULD I HAVE BEEN such a shit-heel here if there'd been some discipline laid on all of us? I DON'T THINK SO. So who would be a good moderator that could keep the hate-addicts from puking acid-chime everywhere? And here's the strange part: almost anyone here could easily be the best moderator ever if but the intent and the power were there. Does anyone care about the potential of FFL enough to try to suss out a neo-POV about our agenda here? Aaand, now we wait for Willy to say something which clearly indicates that he thinks I'm a fucking diseased turd saturated with maggots...because HE PROJECTS. If I were a mod, and I don't want to be, but if I were, Willy's unkindness would be punished severely. As would be my above jab at him. But his stupidity and puffed up ego would be welcomed under my rule. His go figure would have him outted from here for a year at least. That would be my standard for troll derisiveness. Let's pretend FFL is a nice place and see how we'd handle this issue of having a Moral and Psychologically Supportive moderator here. Suggestions? I would vote for Judy in heartbeat -- didn't we all get up when she came back -- even though she was still the same old crab? I would even let Jim take over if he but did the policing fairly.
[FairfieldLife] Going Clear: the film Scientologists don’t want you to see
Going Clear: the film Scientologists don’t want you to see The HBO film has been called ‘a powder-keg documentary’ about the controversial church. So why can’t it be screened in the UK? John Sweeney Tuesday 28 April 2015 14.09 EDT Last modified on Tuesday 28 April 2015 20.07 EDT The most mesmerising moment in Going Clear, Alex Gibney’s wrecking-ball job on Scientology, watched so far by 5.5 million Americans, is a clip of leading church executives singing along to a clunking 1980s rock anthem, We Stand Tall. Disciples wave candles and sway in bad knitwear but, by this point in the HBO documentary, we know that the church allegedly blackmails adherents over their sex lives; that it is thuggish to those who question its conduct; that founder L Ron Hubbard was a conman who switched from writing bad science fiction to bad space religion; that his successor “Pope” David Miscavige is portrayed as a psychopath who has repeatedly hit and tortured his staff. So, the clip of Scientologists singing along with Miscavige is sinister, an eerie negative of thousands of North Koreans weeping at the death of mass murderer Kim Jong Il. It feels like brainwashing in action. The North Koreans have an excuse for going along with thought control lest they end up in the gulag; Scientology’s extraordinary achievement, perhaps, is to pull off brainwashing in Florida, in California. But the church’s aggressive lawyers deny all that, and are working hard to prevent the film ever being broadcast in the UK. In the US, Going Clear has been rapturously received, earning a standing ovation at Sundance. Screen Daily called it “a serious, strange and unsettling account of brainwashing”; Variety deemed it a “powder-keg documentary”; while a BBC reviewer said it had “the scary intensity of a thriller”. But my experience of Scientology has taught me that it is the religion – if it can be called that – that loves to hate, and it certainly hates Going Clear and everyone in it. It says: “Free speech is not a free pass to broadcast or publish false information.” Producer Gibney trades in lies, says the church; the Pulitzer prize-winning author of the film’s source book, Lawrence Wright, is peddling “balderdash”; and the film ends up “glorifying admitted liars expelled as long as three decades ago from the church”. Going Clear paints a jaw-dropping picture of how Hubbard’s 50s trippy-hippy psychobabble, with its space-alien satan, Lord Xenu, has morphed into a multi-billion-dollar corporation; its abuses – physical, psychological, sexual – shielded by that word “religion”; its honour defended by its Hollywood darlings, most famously Tom Cruise and John Travolta. Running the show is Pope Miscavige: a violent thug to the apostates; a living god-ling to the church. The film opens by crisply demolishing L Ron Hubbard as a charismatic fruitcake rather than the war hero of his official biography. At one point he is pictured applying electrodes to a tomato plant, to prove the validity of his dianetics theory, even with tomatoes. Hana Whitfield, who joined the church in the 1960s, is a thoughtful South African woman who, with a beautiful command of English, describes LRH’s use of violence against adepts who had done wrong; people being thrown off ships; grotesque psychological abuse. Miscavige and the church deny that he has ever abused anyone either physically or psychologically, and counter-charge that his accusers are guilty of abuse and that is why they were expelled from the church. The church has implied that Whitfield is a money-grabbing and troubled woman with mental health issues, and quotes its former spokesman, Mike Rinder, saying that Whitfield “spreads venom”. Rinder has since left the organisation, and appears as a star witness for the prosecution in Going Clear. The film tells how Hubbard went on the run from US law enforcement and died in hiding in California in 1986, when Miscavige took over. We see Scientologists wired up to the “e-meter” – two tin cans attached to a dial – which jiggers if you don’t tell the truth in “auditing” sessions. Auditing is Scientology’s version of confession, where the penitent is probed about the “sin” (“What was she wearing?” “What did you do to him?” “What colour was his underwear?”). The sessions are recorded: Going Clear floats the theory that some of Scientology’s celebrity followers may fear leaving, lest the church spill their secrets, especially about their sex lives. You see film of the archive containing those confession secrets and hear the church’s version, that they are sacrosanct. Harsh treatment is apparently meted out to those who break ranks. Spanky Taylor used to be the church’s go-between with its star apostle, John Travolta. She talks movingly of how the church put her in its weird dungeon of the mind, the RPF, or Rehabilitation Project Force, because she upset Pope Miscavige, she alleges. The RPF is a prison for
Re: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I never know if Willy Wonko or Steve the Willy Clone ever post unless someone mentions them.I route all their posts to the trash automatically - it works very well, In that case I'll do you a huge favour and never mention them again. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 8:16 AM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : I don’t know whether anyone could fairly and objectively moderate this forum, including myself. Rules can be conceived and written, but enforcing them would require constant monitoring and decision-making. The judgments would necessarily be very subjective. Some offenses would be so egregious as to be clear-cut, but most would be some shade of grey. It would be a thankless full-time job, performed poorly. Most FFL participants would probably not appreciate it, and would vote for a return to the days of no moderation. So I guess FFL will continue to be a bunch of rough stones in a tumbler, gradually and painfully chipping away at one another’s rough edges, and perhaps eventually becoming smooth. Nicely put. I think the only thing , missing here is actual news from Fairfield. Maybe yourself or Buck (I'm hoping Buck) could fill us in on movement activities. I think it would do Buck good to have something to contribute rather than just whining about what everyone else talks about. How is the mental health group coming along? What are the pundits up to? Are new people moving in to replace those who move on? Anything will do. You never know, it might spark a conversation which is what we are sitting here waiting for. Willy and Seventhray need to be set free though. There isn't any way anything they write now could be seen to be constructive. They contribute nothing except entropy. I admire your optimism if you think they'll change but it's been a long time and a waste of life for the pair of them. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 4:00 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL? It's a shame that this joint isn't something much better. Sorry, but Rick's hands-off policy is the basis of it. Rick, I'm sure you are UP-TIGHT about whom you'll next interview at BATGAP, but why didn't you have this same zeal for righteousness when it came to shaping the FFL experience? Instead you've let every miscreant throw shit-pies into the faces of some very solid thinkers. A few simple rules could have been applied by a hands-ON policy, and the posters would have learned to be civil enough. Clearly the trolls have sundered the very idea of community. Allowing them to be, well, vicious, is the very heart of the wrongness here. And some of the best people here have been as wickedly abrasive as any of the others. I'm guilty, of course, but WOULD I HAVE BEEN such a shit-heel here if there'd been some discipline laid on all of us? I DON'T THINK SO. So who would be a good moderator that could keep the hate-addicts from puking acid-chime everywhere? And here's the strange part: almost anyone here could easily be the best moderator ever if but the intent and the power were there. Does anyone care about the potential of FFL enough to try to suss out a neo-POV about our agenda here? Aaand, now we wait for Willy to say something which clearly indicates that he thinks I'm a fucking diseased turd saturated with maggots...because HE PROJECTS. If I were a mod, and I don't want to be, but if I were, Willy's unkindness would be punished severely. As would be my above jab at him. But his stupidity and puffed up ego would be welcomed under my rule. His go figure would have him outted from here for a year at least. That would be my standard for troll derisiveness. Let's pretend FFL is a nice place and see how we'd handle this issue of having a Moral and Psychologically Supportive moderator here. Suggestions? I would vote for Judy in heartbeat -- didn't we all get up when she came back -- even though she was still the same old crab? I would even let Jim take over if he but did the policing fairly.
Re: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL?
On 04/30/2015 05:16 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : I don’t know whether anyone could fairly and objectively moderate this forum, including myself. Rules can be conceived and written, but enforcing them would require constant monitoring and decision-making. The judgments would necessarily be very subjective. Some offenses would be so egregious as to be clear-cut, but most would be some shade of grey. It would be a thankless full-time job, performed poorly. Most FFL participants would probably not appreciate it, and would vote for a return to the days of no moderation. So I guess FFL will continue to be a bunch of rough stones in a tumbler, gradually and painfully chipping away at one another’s rough edges, and perhaps eventually becoming smooth. Nicely put. I think the only thing , missing here is actual news from Fairfield. Maybe yourself or Buck (I'm hoping Buck) could fill us in on movement activities. I think it would do Buck good to have something to contribute rather than just whining about what everyone else talks about. How is the mental health group coming along? What are the pundits up to? Are new people moving in to replace those who move on? Anything will do. You never know, it might spark a conversation which is what we are sitting here waiting for. Not just movement news. There are a lot of dropouts who still live in Fairfield (many can't afford to live anywhere else). And how about the obituaries? It seems my theory that baby boomers won't live longer than their parents did is true. This regardless of what they do to try to live longer. OTOH, I seem to have outlived the age given by an actuarial test I did in the late 1990s. I wasn't too concerned back then because now seemed a long way off back then. ;-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
Larger context in the neo-yahoo format may not necessarily travel with posts and is then often difficult to quickly see threads whole to read. Hence top-post aggregating is a good way to have larger context of thinking travel nearby considering the untrustworthy way some here selectively nip out context in method to hurt what is being said. Top-posting seems to protect context too for occasional readers/lurkers coming in to a thread, quickly giving the whole context if needed. I feel it keeps things more honest for people generally to read and think about for themselves. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : What happened to your Enter key, Buck? You look very uneducated writing walls of text. Show you have brains. Otherwise no one pro or con are going to read your posts. On 04/30/2015 08:58 AM, dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: It takes skills and practice to see discussion as thinking but it takes allies of kindness to think together creatively. For the engagement within a group [FFL] to be effective there need be folks and a moderation willing and able to stand up to bullies who would destroy forum, to have a thinking forum.Truth evidently won't 'set us free' until we have the courage, skills and habit and moral courage to kindly explore it. There evidently are few allies of civil discourse on FFL and Rick Archer in moderation is seldom here to evenly protect civil discourse. Kind thoughtful discussion is up to the folks left here to seize if it can be had at all. Kind discourse has been 'thrown to the dogs' on FFL to tear up by a lack of moderation let alone any self-control.The bullies have run most wild here unchecked because nice people were not protected and thoughtful folks often inside are afraid of embroiling mean conflict upon themselves enough to invest in it, ..in provoking the bullying..“For the record, I apologize for nothing. Rien. Nada. Nichevo. Bupkus. I meant everything I've ever said here, and stand by it fully.”In thinking together, people often may fail in process of creative thought out of fears to extend themselves individually in to the collective, for fear of engaging with evidently untrustworthy folks. Engagement that may provoke unfriendly embroilment which potentially might be brought on to themselves by stepping forward in conversation. 'Thinking as process' takes skills and practice to see dissonances as thinking and get good at it, to get beyond ego and not let it get out of control. Too many of the writers in character writing here derail creative thinking on FFL by their default to the assault of the personal invective instead of just commenting on a substance of the material brought. That abusive character has been really unfortunate for the larger FFL community.The challenge of FFL as a forum community is to find constructive ways of engaging with people. That takes kindness, tolerance and patience as skillsets and practice to be able to think together and be creative, to look at and solve problems together. FFL is a long ways from that by a grip of vice of some folks who dominate FFL.Collaborating in 'Disconfirmation': seeking different ways of looking at models, of 'thinking' in constructive conflict.Thoughtful conversation seems a willing kind collaborative, a kind cooperative 'process in disconfirmation'. By contrast a trust in kindness as element has been driven out of Fairfieldlife at Yahoo-groups by a dominant methodical use of personal invective in the ad hominem used as weapon to personally hurt people here.Collaboration in a type of, Love? In kindness to a creative process?Quite evidently thoughtful conversation takes a civil kind collaboration in self-control to have productive conversation. Some have done their poisonous work here with the communal well-spring.Collaboration? Could many folks dare at all to publicly disagree here on FFL anymore given the lack of self-restraint in the culture that remains on FFL? What is mostly missing now from the dominant FFL writing is a kindness to process, a love enough of collaboration that seems necessary enough for there to be creative thinking between people. Instead what we have is a culture of rudeness that has long interrupted the communal thinking here and driven people away.The cultural place that was FFL seems to have been poisoned. The place evidently has died for lack of a willing collaboration as an oxygen that could include other points of view other than some caustic character of dominant internet haters and personalities in method. The cost to FairfieldLife at Yahoo-groups has been the loss of a forum for communal thinking.A pervasive unkindness in ad hominem-istic snark parading as 'intellectual retort', it's the dominant 'culture' here at FFL now, as the evident lack in thoughtful community culture here. Folks otherwise have come instead to fear to spend
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Large Hell Creator?
More likely the last eclipse a couple weeks back did some shifting of the tectonic plates in the Himalayas. We see quakes occurring regularly around eclipses and usually a little afterward as the plates settle again. Geophysicists are now trying to figure out a way to find which faults are about to blow. On 04/30/2015 10:00 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : There's a danger in thinking that two similarly timed events must be connected. Especially if you don't understand - and therefore might fear - one of them. The trouble here is that if we assume earthquakes are caused by physics experiments connected with some mystical belief about gods being subatomic structures then we have to start searching for the trigger event that caused other earthquakes and natural disasters that happened when there weren't high energy collisions going on at CERN. This superstitious way of looking at the world can be dangerous. If you believe, for instance, that people praying in one place has an effect on the world and then something bad happens you have to start looking for the person who wasn't praying enough or properly or who - gasp - doesn't really believe and make them pay somehow. This is called scapegoating. To scapegoat a physics experiment is the same order of illogical behaviour and, like punishing people who don't pray, won't ever result in a change in natural circumstances. Earthquakes are caused by movements in the Earth's crust, the large continental plates rub against each other because the Earth is spinning and is geologically active with deep ocean volcanoes pushing new land up which moves under other plates causing the sudden jolts we get around edges. India was an island slowly cruising north where it hit mainland Asia about 50 million years ago. That collision is what formed the Himalaya which is the world's biggest mountain range simply because it is the newest. It's hardly surprising there are Earthquakes there, it's only the short human life span which stops us seeing nature in all it's creative power and glory. In fact, we get screwed over by it relatively infrequently and historically lacked an explanation and so blamed it on the Gods. Interesting that people still blame the Gods but they are as wrong now as they were then, there are no higher energies created in particle accelerators than are created when charged particles from the sun and other stars hit the Earth's atmosphere. And every other place in the universe. Billions of times a second. I admire the creativity in linking the subatomic world with Hindu religion though, I may even post this on Brian Cox's Facebook page and see what he thinks... Or maybe John Hagelin. I'd love to see how he squirms out of it, he's been linking veda and physics for years, this is his chance to draw line between himself and the growing insanity of the new age. Or maybe we should commission a yagya to stop CERN from working? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : CERN Out of Balance in Tempting Nature Causes Nepali quakes.. Below is the video that documents the energy spikes at the time of the earthquake. The Nepal Earthquake Caused by Shiva's Trident Out of CERN http://www.dailycrow.com/5-facts-about-shiva-the-destroyer-cern-and-the-nepal-earthquake/ image http://www.dailycrow.com/5-facts-about-shiva-the-destroyer-cern-and-the-nepal-earthquake/ The Nepal Earthquake Caused by Shiva's Trident O... http://www.dailycrow.com/5-facts-about-shiva-the-destroyer-cern-and-the-nepal-earthquake/ CERN recently charged up their particle collider and at the exact moment energy spikes occurred in Switzerland the earthquake in Nepal took place. There is... View on www.dailycrow.com http://www.dailycrow.com/5-facts-about-shiva-the-destroyer-cern-and-the-nepal-earthquake/ Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : “an opening in the spacetime fabric” Another skeptic of the project is none other than respected physicist Stephen Hawking who has recently warned the end of the world could be sparked by the elusive ‘God particle’ *..scientists at the Large Hadron Collider next week are hoping to experiment with a possible connection with a parallel universe outside of our own.* *Pope Francis adds: “**My fellow Christians, we are living in desperate times”*he told the crowd.*“**Science is about to test the limits of God and his creation. God has created boundaries between the world of the living and the world of the dead. Are these scientists about to unleash upon us the Gates of Hell?”*he asked his followers, visibly shaken. Last October, over 400 top physicists signed a petition warning that the Higgs potential might become unstable at energies above 100bn giga-electron-volts (GeV) and asking governments to
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Large Hell Creator?
There's a danger in thinking that two similarly timed events must be connected. Especially if you don't understand - and therefore might fear - one of them. The trouble here is that if we assume earthquakes are caused by physics experiments connected with some mystical belief about gods being subatomic structures then we have to start searching for the trigger event that caused other earthquakes and natural disasters that happened when there weren't high energy collisions going on at CERN. This superstitious way of looking at the world can be dangerous. If you believe, for instance, that people praying in one place has an effect on the world and then something bad happens you have to start looking for the person who wasn't praying enough or properly or who - gasp - doesn't really believe and make them pay somehow. This is called scapegoating. To scapegoat a physics experiment is the same order of illogical behaviour and, like punishing people who don't pray, won't ever result in a change in natural circumstances. Earthquakes are caused by movements in the Earth's crust, the large continental plates rub against each other because the Earth is spinning and is geologically active with deep ocean volcanoes pushing new land up which moves under other plates causing the sudden jolts we get around edges. India was an island slowly cruising north where it hit mainland Asia about 50 million years ago. That collision is what formed the Himalaya which is the world's biggest mountain range simply because it is the newest. It's hardly surprising there are Earthquakes there, it's only the short human life span which stops us seeing nature in all it's creative power and glory. In fact, we get screwed over by it relatively infrequently and historically lacked an explanation and so blamed it on the Gods. Interesting that people still blame the Gods but they are as wrong now as they were then, there are no higher energies created in particle accelerators than are created when charged particles from the sun and other stars hit the Earth's atmosphere. And every other place in the universe. I admire the creativity in linking the subatomic world with Hindu religion though, I may even post this on Brian Cox's Facebook page and see what he thinks... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : CERN Out of Balance in Tempting Nature Causes Nepali quakes.. Below is the video that documents the energy spikes at the time of the earthquake. The Nepal Earthquake Caused by Shiva's Trident Out of CERN http://www.dailycrow.com/5-facts-about-shiva-the-destroyer-cern-and-the-nepal-earthquake/ http://www.dailycrow.com/5-facts-about-shiva-the-destroyer-cern-and-the-nepal-earthquake/ The Nepal Earthquake Caused by Shiva's Trident O... http://www.dailycrow.com/5-facts-about-shiva-the-destroyer-cern-and-the-nepal-earthquake/ CERN recently charged up their particle collider and at the exact moment energy spikes occurred in Switzerland the earthquake in Nepal took place. There is... View on www.dailycrow.com http://www.dailycrow.com/5-facts-about-shiva-the-destroyer-cern-and-the-nepal-earthquake/ Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : “an opening in the spacetime fabric” Another skeptic of the project is none other than respected physicist Stephen Hawking who has recently warned the end of the world could be sparked by the elusive ‘God particle’ ..scientists at the Large Hadron Collider next week are hoping to experiment with a possible connection with a parallel universe outside of our own. Pope Francis adds: “My fellow Christians, we are living in desperate times” he told the crowd.“Science is about to test the limits of God and his creation. God has created boundaries between the world of the living and the world of the dead. Are these scientists about to unleash upon us the Gates of Hell?” he asked his followers, visibly shaken. Last October, over 400 top physicists signed a petition warning that the Higgs potential might become unstable at energies above 100bn giga-electron-volts (GeV) and asking governments to keep experiments under these levels. Yes, just say “no” to energies above 100bn giga-electron-volts (GeV) for now, without adequate safeguard for our world in place. Yes, Scientists should not be allowed to fool around out in the World with Mother Nature without adequate spiritual oversight. -Buck, an ever evolving old and practicing conservative transcendentalist meditator in the spiritual community of meditating Fairfield, Iowa. .. There is more to the world than what we see or think.. .. jr_esq writes: My first reaction is that the Pope appears to be an ignoramus when it comes to scientific research. But it doesn't hurt to be concerned about significant experiments that may have negative consequences. The
RE: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jamesalan735@... wrote : Tell me: Who are these most other observers and how do you know what they think? He means him and his friends who sulked off to start their own site where they can decide who can post and what they can say. Why he insists on coming back here everyday to sneer and scoff is anyone's guess. Some people just like stirring shit I guess. The fact that he wouldn't be allowed to carry on like that on his prefered site is an irony that appears to be lost on him. Go figure ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : ---snip---. To most other observers, it's a boring ass place, made interesting by seeing Barry's pals suck up to him on daily basis. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : So I guess FFL will continue to be a bunch of rough stones in a tumbler, gradually and painfully chipping away at one another’s rough edges, and perhaps eventually becoming smooth. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 4:00 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL? It's a shame that this joint isn't something much better. Sorry, but Rick's hands-off policy is the basis of it. Rick, I'm sure you are UP-TIGHT about whom you'll next interview at BATGAP, but why didn't you have this same zeal for righteousness when it came to shaping the FFL experience? Instead you've let every miscreant throw shit-pies into the faces of some very solid thinkers. A few simple rules could have been applied by a hands-ON policy, and the posters would have learned to be civil enough. Clearly the trolls have sundered the very idea of community. Allowing them to be, well, vicious, is the very heart of the wrongness here. And some of the best people here have been as wickedly abrasive as any of the others. I'm guilty, of course, but WOULD I HAVE BEEN such a shit-heel here if there'd been some discipline laid on all of us? I DON'T THINK SO. So who would be a good moderator that could keep the hate-addicts from puking acid-chime everywhere? And here's the strange part: almost anyone here could easily be the best moderator ever if but the intent and the power were there. Does anyone care about the potential of FFL enough to try to suss out a neo-POV about our agenda here? Aaand, now we wait for Willy to say something which clearly indicates that he thinks I'm a fucking diseased turd saturated with maggots...because HE PROJECTS. If I were a mod, and I don't want to be, but if I were, Willy's unkindness would be punished severely. As would be my above jab at him. But his stupidity and puffed up ego would be welcomed under my rule. His go figure would have him outted from here for a year at least. That would be my standard for troll derisiveness. Let's pretend FFL is a nice place and see how we'd handle this issue of having a Moral and Psychologically Supportive moderator here. Suggestions? I would vote for Judy in heartbeat -- didn't we all get up when she came back -- even though she was still the same old crab? I would even let Jim take over if he but did the policing fairly.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Large Hell Creator?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : There's a danger in thinking that two similarly timed events must be connected. Especially if you don't understand - and therefore might fear - one of them. The trouble here is that if we assume earthquakes are caused by physics experiments connected with some mystical belief about gods being subatomic structures then we have to start searching for the trigger event that caused other earthquakes and natural disasters that happened when there weren't high energy collisions going on at CERN. This superstitious way of looking at the world can be dangerous. If you believe, for instance, that people praying in one place has an effect on the world and then something bad happens you have to start looking for the person who wasn't praying enough or properly or who - gasp - doesn't really believe and make them pay somehow. This is called scapegoating. To scapegoat a physics experiment is the same order of illogical behaviour and, like punishing people who don't pray, won't ever result in a change in natural circumstances. Earthquakes are caused by movements in the Earth's crust, the large continental plates rub against each other because the Earth is spinning and is geologically active with deep ocean volcanoes pushing new land up which moves under other plates causing the sudden jolts we get around edges. India was an island slowly cruising north where it hit mainland Asia about 50 million years ago. That collision is what formed the Himalaya which is the world's biggest mountain range simply because it is the newest. It's hardly surprising there are Earthquakes there, it's only the short human life span which stops us seeing nature in all it's creative power and glory. In fact, we get screwed over by it relatively infrequently and historically lacked an explanation and so blamed it on the Gods. Interesting that people still blame the Gods but they are as wrong now as they were then, there are no higher energies created in particle accelerators than are created when charged particles from the sun and other stars hit the Earth's atmosphere. And every other place in the universe. Billions of times a second. I admire the creativity in linking the subatomic world with Hindu religion though, I may even post this on Brian Cox's Facebook page and see what he thinks... Or maybe John Hagelin. I'd love to see how he squirms out of it, he's been linking veda and physics for years, this is his chance to draw line between himself and the growing insanity of the new age. Or maybe we should commission a yagya to stop CERN from working? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : CERN Out of Balance in Tempting Nature Causes Nepali quakes.. Below is the video that documents the energy spikes at the time of the earthquake. The Nepal Earthquake Caused by Shiva's Trident Out of CERN http://www.dailycrow.com/5-facts-about-shiva-the-destroyer-cern-and-the-nepal-earthquake/ http://www.dailycrow.com/5-facts-about-shiva-the-destroyer-cern-and-the-nepal-earthquake/ The Nepal Earthquake Caused by Shiva's Trident O... http://www.dailycrow.com/5-facts-about-shiva-the-destroyer-cern-and-the-nepal-earthquake/ CERN recently charged up their particle collider and at the exact moment energy spikes occurred in Switzerland the earthquake in Nepal took place. There is... View on www.dailycrow.com http://www.dailycrow.com/5-facts-about-shiva-the-destroyer-cern-and-the-nepal-earthquake/ Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : “an opening in the spacetime fabric” Another skeptic of the project is none other than respected physicist Stephen Hawking who has recently warned the end of the world could be sparked by the elusive ‘God particle’ ..scientists at the Large Hadron Collider next week are hoping to experiment with a possible connection with a parallel universe outside of our own. Pope Francis adds: “My fellow Christians, we are living in desperate times” he told the crowd.“Science is about to test the limits of God and his creation. God has created boundaries between the world of the living and the world of the dead. Are these scientists about to unleash upon us the Gates of Hell?” he asked his followers, visibly shaken. Last October, over 400 top physicists signed a petition warning that the Higgs potential might become unstable at energies above 100bn giga-electron-volts (GeV) and asking governments to keep experiments under these levels. Yes, just say “no” to energies above 100bn giga-electron-volts (GeV) for now, without adequate safeguard for our world in place. Yes, Scientists should not be allowed to fool around out in the World with Mother Nature without adequate spiritual oversight. -Buck, an ever evolving old and practicing conservative
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
You can still break your thoughts into paragraphs even using Neo. Others do. Otherwise people won't read them. On 04/30/2015 11:22 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Larger context in the neo-yahoo format may not necessarily travel with posts and is then often difficult to quickly see threads whole to read. Hence top-post aggregating is a good way to have larger context of thinking travel nearby considering the untrustworthy way some here selectively nip out context in method to hurt what is being said. Top-posting seems to protect context too for occasional readers/lurkers coming in to a thread, quickly giving the whole context if needed. I feel it keeps things more honest for people generally to read and think about for themselves. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : What happened to your Enter key, Buck? You look very uneducated writing walls of text. Show you have brains. Otherwise no one pro or con are going to read your posts. On 04/30/2015 08:58 AM, dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: It takes skills and practice to see discussion as thinking but it takes allies of kindness to think together creatively. For the engagement within a group [FFL] to be effective there need be folks and a moderation willing and able to stand up to bullies who would destroy forum, to have a thinking forum.Truth evidently won't 'set us free' until we have the courage, skills and habit and moral courage to kindly explore it. There evidently are few allies of civil discourse on FFL and Rick Archer in moderation is seldom here to evenly protect civil discourse. Kind thoughtful discussion is up to the folks left here to seize if it can be had at all. Kind discourse has been 'thrown to the dogs' on FFL to tear up by a lack of moderation let alone any self-control.The bullies have run most wild here unchecked because nice people were not protected and thoughtful folks often inside are afraid of embroiling mean conflict upon themselves enough to invest in it, ..in provoking the bullying..“/*For the record, I apologize for nothing. Rien. Nada. Nichevo. Bupkus. I meant everything I've ever said here, and stand by it fully.”*/In thinking together, people often may fail in process of creative thought out of fears to extend themselves individually in to the collective, for fear of engaging with evidently untrustworthy folks. Engagement that may provoke unfriendly embroilment which potentially might be brought on to themselves by stepping forward in conversation. 'Thinking as process' takes skills and practice to see dissonances as thinking and get good at it, to get beyond ego and not let it get out of control. Too many of the writers in character writing here derail creative thinking on FFL by their default to the assault of the personal invective instead of just commenting on a substance of the material brought. That abusive character has been really unfortunate for the larger FFL community.The challenge of FFL as a forum community is to find constructive ways of engaging with people. That takes kindness, tolerance and patience as skillsets and practice to be able to think together and be creative, to look at and solve problems together. FFL is a long ways from that by a grip of vice of some folks who dominate FFL.Collaborating in 'Disconfirmation': seeking different ways of looking at models, of 'thinking' in constructive conflict.Thoughtful conversation seems a willing kind collaborative, a kind cooperative 'process in disconfirmation'. By contrast a trust in kindness as element has been driven out of Fairfieldlife at Yahoo-groups by a dominant methodical use of personal invective in the ad hominem used as weapon to personally hurt people here.Collaboration in a type of, Love? In kindness to a creative process?Quite evidently thoughtful conversation takes a civil kind collaboration in self-control to have productive conversation. Some have done their poisonous work here with the communal well-spring.Collaboration? Could many folks dare at all to publicly disagree here on FFL anymore given the lack of self-restraint in the culture that remains on FFL? What is mostly missing now from the dominant FFL writing is a kindness to process, a love enough of collaboration that seems necessary enough for there to be creative thinking between people. Instead what we have is a culture of rudeness that has long interrupted the communal thinking here and driven people away.The
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Large Hell Creator?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : More likely the last eclipse a couple weeks back did some shifting of the tectonic plates in the Himalayas. We see quakes occurring regularly around eclipses and usually a little afterward as the plates settle again. Geophysicists are now trying to figure out a way to find which faults are about to blow. Hmm. If wonder if there's any truth to it? Maybe very high tides do cause a differential in weight applied across a large area that is enough to trigger a quake that was waiting to happen. But if they don't happen every time then it can't really be used to predict them. Maybe a combination of factors like time since last quake, or since nearby volcano that might have released a bit of pressure. Worth a google around I think. On 04/30/2015 10:00 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : There's a danger in thinking that two similarly timed events must be connected. Especially if you don't understand - and therefore might fear - one of them. The trouble here is that if we assume earthquakes are caused by physics experiments connected with some mystical belief about gods being subatomic structures then we have to start searching for the trigger event that caused other earthquakes and natural disasters that happened when there weren't high energy collisions going on at CERN. This superstitious way of looking at the world can be dangerous. If you believe, for instance, that people praying in one place has an effect on the world and then something bad happens you have to start looking for the person who wasn't praying enough or properly or who - gasp - doesn't really believe and make them pay somehow. This is called scapegoating. To scapegoat a physics experiment is the same order of illogical behaviour and, like punishing people who don't pray, won't ever result in a change in natural circumstances. Earthquakes are caused by movements in the Earth's crust, the large continental plates rub against each other because the Earth is spinning and is geologically active with deep ocean volcanoes pushing new land up which moves under other plates causing the sudden jolts we get around edges. India was an island slowly cruising north where it hit mainland Asia about 50 million years ago. That collision is what formed the Himalaya which is the world's biggest mountain range simply because it is the newest. It's hardly surprising there are Earthquakes there, it's only the short human life span which stops us seeing nature in all it's creative power and glory. In fact, we get screwed over by it relatively infrequently and historically lacked an explanation and so blamed it on the Gods. Interesting that people still blame the Gods but they are as wrong now as they were then, there are no higher energies created in particle accelerators than are created when charged particles from the sun and other stars hit the Earth's atmosphere. And every other place in the universe. Billions of times a second. I admire the creativity in linking the subatomic world with Hindu religion though, I may even post this on Brian Cox's Facebook page and see what he thinks... Or maybe John Hagelin. I'd love to see how he squirms out of it, he's been linking veda and physics for years, this is his chance to draw line between himself and the growing insanity of the new age. Or maybe we should commission a yagya to stop CERN from working? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : CERN Out of Balance in Tempting Nature Causes Nepali quakes.. Below is the video that documents the energy spikes at the time of the earthquake. The Nepal Earthquake Caused by Shiva's Trident Out of CERN The Nepal Earthquake Caused by Shiva's Trident O... CERN recently charged up their particle collider and at the exact moment energy spikes occurred in Switzerland the earthquake in Nepal took place. There is... View on www.dailycrow.com Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : “an opening in the spacetime fabric” Another skeptic of the project is none other than respected physicist Stephen Hawking who has recently warned the end of the world could be sparked by the elusive ‘God particle’ ..scientists at the Large Hadron Collider next week are hoping to experiment with a possible connection with a parallel universe outside of our own. Pope Francis adds: “My fellow Christians, we are living in desperate times” he told the crowd.“Science is about to test the limits of God and his creation. God has created boundaries between
Re: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : On 04/30/2015 05:16 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... mailto:rick@... wrote : I don’t know whether anyone could fairly and objectively moderate this forum, including myself. Rules can be conceived and written, but enforcing them would require constant monitoring and decision-making. The judgments would necessarily be very subjective. Some offenses would be so egregious as to be clear-cut, but most would be some shade of grey. It would be a thankless full-time job, performed poorly. Most FFL participants would probably not appreciate it, and would vote for a return to the days of no moderation. So I guess FFL will continue to be a bunch of rough stones in a tumbler, gradually and painfully chipping away at one another’s rough edges, and perhaps eventually becoming smooth. Nicely put. I think the only thing , missing here is actual news from Fairfield. Maybe yourself or Buck (I'm hoping Buck) could fill us in on movement activities. I think it would do Buck good to have something to contribute rather than just whining about what everyone else talks about. How is the mental health group coming along? What are the pundits up to? Are new people moving in to replace those who move on? Anything will do. You never know, it might spark a conversation which is what we are sitting here waiting for. Not just movement news. There are a lot of dropouts who still live in Fairfield (many can't afford to live anywhere else). And how about the obituaries? It seems my theory that baby boomers won't live longer than their parents did is true. This regardless of what they do to try to live longer. OTOH, I seem to have outlived the age given by an actuarial test I did in the late 1990s. I wasn't too concerned back then because now seemed a long way off back then. ;-) Ha, good for you for thwarting your demise. According to a questionaire I did on the BBC website I'm virtually immortal and will live into my 90's! I think I might die of boredom long before then. Or maybe of frustration trying to keep up with how fast the world changes. Interestingly I did the test a few times with different boxes ticked to see what single lifestyle choice had the biggest effect on mortality. I tried adding smoking, drinking, and no exercise but I found the thing that knocks the most time off your life is eating barbecued food on a regular basis! Most unexpected but apparently badly cooked meat alter the DNA on the outside so that the stomach can't cope and puts too much strain on the system. How about that? But yes, these Fairfielders could put their knowledge to good use and keep the diaspora informed about how the age of Enlightenment is progressing at party HQ.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
That's just a load of bull. Try this: Get 10 people around FF to look at your posts here, and ask them how readable they think they are, whats their first impressions, how likely they would be to read through your post. Then come back and post a summary of their reactions here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Larger context in the neo-yahoo format may not necessarily travel with posts and is then often difficult to quickly see threads whole to read. Hence top-post aggregating is a good way to have larger context of thinking travel nearby considering the untrustworthy way some here selectively nip out context in method to hurt what is being said. Top-posting seems to protect context too for occasional readers/lurkers coming in to a thread, quickly giving the whole context if needed. I feel it keeps things more honest for people generally to read and think about for themselves. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : What happened to your Enter key, Buck? You look very uneducated writing walls of text. Show you have brains. Otherwise no one pro or con are going to read your posts. On 04/30/2015 08:58 AM, dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: It takes skills and practice to see discussion as thinking but it takes allies of kindness to think together creatively. For the engagement within a group [FFL] to be effective there need be folks and a moderation willing and able to stand up to bullies who would destroy forum, to have a thinking forum.Truth evidently won't 'set us free' until we have the courage, skills and habit and moral courage to kindly explore it. There evidently are few allies of civil discourse on FFL and Rick Archer in moderation is seldom here to evenly protect civil discourse. Kind thoughtful discussion is up to the folks left here to seize if it can be had at all. Kind discourse has been 'thrown to the dogs' on FFL to tear up by a lack of moderation let alone any self-control.The bullies have run most wild here unchecked because nice people were not protected and thoughtful folks often inside are afraid of embroiling mean conflict upon themselves enough to invest in it, ..in provoking the bullying..“For the record, I apologize for nothing. Rien. Nada. Nichevo. Bupkus. I meant everything I've ever said here, and stand by it fully.”In thinking together, people often may fail in process of creative thought out of fears to extend themselves individually in to the collective, for fear of engaging with evidently untrustworthy folks. Engagement that may provoke unfriendly embroilment which potentially might be brought on to themselves by stepping forward in conversation. 'Thinking as process' takes skills and practice to see dissonances as thinking and get good at it, to get beyond ego and not let it get out of control. Too many of the writers in character writing here derail creative thinking on FFL by their default to the assault of the personal invective instead of just commenting on a substance of the material brought. That abusive character has been really unfortunate for the larger FFL community.The challenge of FFL as a forum community is to find constructive ways of engaging with people. That takes kindness, tolerance and patience as skillsets and practice to be able to think together and be creative, to look at and solve problems together. FFL is a long ways from that by a grip of vice of some folks who dominate FFL.Collaborating in 'Disconfirmation': seeking different ways of looking at models, of 'thinking' in constructive conflict.Thoughtful conversation seems a willing kind collaborative, a kind cooperative 'process in disconfirmation'. By contrast a trust in kindness as element has been driven out of Fairfieldlife at Yahoo-groups by a dominant methodical use of personal invective in the ad hominem used as weapon to personally hurt people here.Collaboration in a type of, Love? In kindness to a creative process?Quite evidently thoughtful conversation takes a civil kind collaboration in self-control to have productive conversation. Some have done their poisonous work here with the communal well-spring.Collaboration? Could many folks dare at all to publicly disagree here on FFL anymore given the lack of self-restraint in the culture that remains on FFL? What is mostly missing now from the dominant FFL writing is a kindness to process, a love enough of collaboration that seems necessary enough for there to be creative thinking between people. Instead what we have is a culture of rudeness that has long interrupted the communal thinking here and driven people away.The cultural place that was FFL seems to have been poisoned. The place evidently has died for lack of a willing collaboration as an oxygen that could include other points of view other than some caustic character of dominant internet haters and personalities
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Large Hell Creator?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : However the theory holds water. Here in earthquake land we like to test anything that can give us a chance to know when the big one is going to hit. The Calaveras Fault is just a few miles to the east of me an the Hayward a few to the west. Fun! How confident would you have to be in a prediction to pack up your stuff and head for the hills? Have you ever wanted to get out during a tremor? My sister lives in California and she hates quakes. She lives right on a tributary of the San Andreas fault and I tell her it's a dumb place to live if she's scared of them. The quality of produce from the local vineyards makes up for it apparently. On 04/30/2015 12:14 PM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Berkland was suspended for a couple months for shooting his mouth off. His predictions are not too impressive, given the fact that he often can't say WHERE the quake is going to be. 2009, he predicted a major earthquake sometime between January 9-14. And a 5.3 quake did occur - on the island of Crete. Also the fact that he advertises himself and his predictions on shows like Coast to Coast with Art Bell or George Noory kind of erodes his credibility. From: Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Large Hell Creator? Former Alameda county geologist Jim Berkland predicted Loma Prieta and got fired for it. He was basing it on the eclipse and tidal theories. The earth can bulge as much as 3 feet during eclipses and high tides. Two decades later Russian researchers concluded the theory was correct but the problem was knowing which fault was going to blow. On 04/30/2015 11:36 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : Morelikely the last eclipse a couple weeks back did some shifting of the tectonic plates in the Himalayas. We see quakes occurring regularly around eclipses and usually a little afterward as the plates settle again. Geophysicists are now trying to figure out a way to find which faults are about to blow. Hmm. If wonder if there's any truth to it? Maybe very high tides do cause a differential in weight applied across a large area that is enough to trigger a quake that was waiting to happen. But if they don't happen every time then it can't really be used to predict them. Maybe a combination of factors like time since last quake, or since nearby volcano that might have released a bit of pressure. Worth a google around I think. On 04/30/2015 10:00 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : There's a danger in thinking that two similarly timed events must be connected. Especially if you don't understand - and therefore might fear - one of them. The trouble here is that if we assume earthquakes are caused by physics experiments connected with some mystical belief about gods being subatomic structures then we have to start searching for the trigger event that caused other earthquakes and natural disasters that happened when there weren't high energy collisions going on at CERN. This superstitious way of looking at the world can be dangerous. If you believe, for instance, that people praying in one place has an effect on the world and then something bad happens you have to start looking for the person who wasn't praying enough or properly or who - gasp - doesn't really believe and make them pay somehow. This is called scapegoating. To scapegoat a physics experiment is the same order of illogical behaviour and, like punishing people who don't pray, won't ever result in a change in natural circumstances. Earthquakes are caused by movements in the Earth's crust, the large continental plates rub against each other because the Earth is spinning and is geologically active with deep ocean volcanoes pushing new land up which moves under other plates causing the sudden jolts we get around edges. India was an island slowly cruising north where it hit mainland Asia about 50 million years ago. That collision is what formed the Himalaya which is the world's biggest mountain range simply because it is the newest. It's hardly surprising there are Earthquakes there, it's only the short human life span which stops us seeing nature in all it's creative power and glory. In fact, we get screwed over by it relatively infrequently and historically lacked an explanation and so blamed it on the Gods. Interesting that people
RE: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL?
hey, for a guy who seems to like to quantify things, I guess its convenient to ignore numbers when they go against ya. Take Richard away, and it's Barry, MJ, you, Buck and Lawson who make up bulk of posts, with Bharitu coming up the rear. The monthly posting totals haven't been this low since the first year of the site. numbers dude, it's what for dinner. but of course, your habit is to disregard facts when they don't fit your fancy. but, we've covered that ground before. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jamesalan735@... wrote : Tell me: Who are these most other observers and how do you know what they think? He means him and his friends who sulked off to start their own site where they can decide who can post and what they can say. Why he insists on coming back here everyday to sneer and scoff is anyone's guess. Some people just like stirring shit I guess. The fact that he wouldn't be allowed to carry on like that on his prefered site is an irony that appears to be lost on him. Go figure ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : ---snip---. To most other observers, it's a boring ass place, made interesting by seeing Barry's pals suck up to him on daily basis. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : So I guess FFL will continue to be a bunch of rough stones in a tumbler, gradually and painfully chipping away at one another’s rough edges, and perhaps eventually becoming smooth. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 4:00 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL? It's a shame that this joint isn't something much better. Sorry, but Rick's hands-off policy is the basis of it. Rick, I'm sure you are UP-TIGHT about whom you'll next interview at BATGAP, but why didn't you have this same zeal for righteousness when it came to shaping the FFL experience? Instead you've let every miscreant throw shit-pies into the faces of some very solid thinkers. A few simple rules could have been applied by a hands-ON policy, and the posters would have learned to be civil enough. Clearly the trolls have sundered the very idea of community. Allowing them to be, well, vicious, is the very heart of the wrongness here. And some of the best people here have been as wickedly abrasive as any of the others. I'm guilty, of course, but WOULD I HAVE BEEN such a shit-heel here if there'd been some discipline laid on all of us? I DON'T THINK SO. So who would be a good moderator that could keep the hate-addicts from puking acid-chime everywhere? And here's the strange part: almost anyone here could easily be the best moderator ever if but the intent and the power were there. Does anyone care about the potential of FFL enough to try to suss out a neo-POV about our agenda here? Aaand, now we wait for Willy to say something which clearly indicates that he thinks I'm a fucking diseased turd saturated with maggots...because HE PROJECTS. If I were a mod, and I don't want to be, but if I were, Willy's unkindness would be punished severely. As would be my above jab at him. But his stupidity and puffed up ego would be welcomed under my rule. His go figure would have him outted from here for a year at least. That would be my standard for troll derisiveness. Let's pretend FFL is a nice place and see how we'd handle this issue of having a Moral and Psychologically Supportive moderator here. Suggestions? I would vote for Judy in heartbeat -- didn't we all get up when she came back -- even though she was still the same old crab? I would even let Jim take over if he but did the policing fairly.
Re: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL?
I found the thing that knocks the most time off your life is eating barbecued
food on a regular basis
You boys over there in Scorpion-Land just don't know how to cook real barbeque.
Come on over the South Carolina and I'll teach you. Real barbeque don't mean
hamburgers and hot dogs, either but I can show you how to do that too, so it
goes down real nice and smooth and actually prolongs your life.
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :
On 04/30/2015 05:16 AM, salyavin808wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@...wrote :
I don’t knowwhether anyone could fairly and objectivelymoderate this forum,
including myself. Rules canbe conceived and written, but enforcing them
wouldrequire constant monitoring and decision-making.The judgments would
necessarily be verysubjective. Some offenses would be so egregious asto be
clear-cut, but most would be some shade ofgrey. It would be a thankless
full-time job,performed poorly. Most FFL participants wouldprobably not
appreciate it, and would vote for areturn to the days of no moderation. So I
guess FFLwill continue to be a bunch of rough stones in atumbler, gradually and
painfully chipping away atone another’s rough edges, and perhaps
eventuallybecoming smooth.
Nicelyput. I think the only thing , missing here isactual news from Fairfield.
Maybe yourself or Buck(I'm hoping Buck) could fill us in on movementactivities.
I think it would do Buck good to havesomething to contribute rather than just
whiningabout what everyone else talks about.
How is themental health group coming along? What are thepundits up to? Are new
people moving in to replacethose who move on? Anything will do. You neverknow,
it might spark a conversation which is whatwe are sitting here waiting for.
Not just movement news. There are a lot of dropouts who still livein Fairfield
(many can't afford to live anywhere else). And howabout the obituaries? It
seems my theory that baby boomers won'tlive longer than their parents did is
true. This regardless of whatthey do to try to live longer. OTOH, I seem to
have outlived theage given by an actuarial test I did in the late 1990s. I
wasn'ttoo concerned back then because now seemed a long way off backthen.
;-)
Ha, good for you for thwarting your demise. According to a questionaire I did
on the BBC website I'm virtually immortal and will live into my 90's! I think I
might die of boredom long before then. Or maybe of frustration trying to keep
up with how fast the world changes.
Interestingly I did the test a few times with different boxes ticked to see
what single lifestyle choice had the biggest effect on mortality. I tried
adding smoking, drinking, and no exercise but I found the thing that knocks the
most time off your life is eating barbecued food on a regular basis! Most
unexpected but apparently badly cooked meat alter the DNA on the outside so
that the stomach can't cope and puts too much strain on the system. How about
that?
But yes, these Fairfielders could put their knowledge to good use and keep the
diaspora informed about how the age of Enlightenment is progressing at party HQ.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Large Hell Creator?
Interesting that people still blame the Gods but they are as wrong now as they were then, You only think that because you are a mystical nega-naut. One or more of the Gods is watching you right now, just considering what kind of mystical mallet to whack you with for your blasphemy. I only tell you this because I like you and don't want to see you come to harm. But if you persist in your mystical nega-naughtyness, I am afraid JR will see in your chart you are about to become the prime rib on some angry god's grill. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Large Hell Creator? There's a danger in thinking that two similarly timed events must be connected. Especially if you don't understand - and therefore might fear - one of them. The trouble here is that if we assume earthquakes are caused by physics experiments connected with some mystical belief about gods being subatomic structures then we have to start searching for the trigger event that caused other earthquakes and natural disasters that happened when there weren't high energy collisions going on at CERN. This superstitious way of looking at the world can be dangerous. If you believe, for instance, that people praying in one place has an effect on the world and then something bad happens you have to start looking for the person who wasn't praying enough or properly or who - gasp - doesn't really believe and make them pay somehow. This is called scapegoating. To scapegoat a physics experiment is the same order of illogical behaviour and, like punishing people who don't pray, won't ever result in a change in natural circumstances. Earthquakes are caused by movements in the Earth's crust, the large continental plates rub against each other because the Earth is spinning and is geologically active with deep ocean volcanoes pushing new land up which moves under other plates causing the sudden jolts we get around edges. India was an island slowly cruising north where it hit mainland Asia about 50 million years ago. That collision is what formed the Himalaya which is the world's biggest mountain range simply because it is the newest. It's hardly surprising there are Earthquakes there, it's only the short human life span which stops us seeing nature in all it's creative power and glory. In fact, we get screwed over by it relatively infrequently and historically lacked an explanation and so blamed it on the Gods. Interesting that people still blame the Gods but they are as wrong now as they were then, there are no higher energies created in particle accelerators than are created when charged particles from the sun and other stars hit the Earth's atmosphere. And every other place in the universe. I admire the creativity in linking the subatomic world with Hindu religion though, I may even post this on Brian Cox's Facebook page and see what he thinks... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : CERN Out of Balance in Tempting Nature Causes Nepali quakes.. Below is the video that documents the energy spikes at the time of the earthquake. The Nepal Earthquake Caused by Shiva's Trident Out of CERN | | | | | | The Nepal Earthquake Caused by Shiva's Trident O... CERN recently charged up their particle collider and at the exact moment energy spikes occurred in Switzerland the earthquake in Nepal took place. There is... | | | View on www.dailycrow.com| Preview by Yahoo | | | ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : “anopening in the spacetime fabric” Anotherskeptic of the project is none other than respectedphysicist Stephen Hawking who has recently warned the end of theworld could be sparked by the elusive ‘God particle’ ..scientists atthe Large Hadron Collider next week are hoping to experiment with apossible connection with a parallel universe outside of our own. PopeFrancis adds: “Myfellow Christians, we are living in desperate times” hetold the crowd.“Scienceis about to test the limits of God and his creation. God has createdboundaries between the world of the living and the world of the dead.Are these scientists about to unleash upon us the Gates of Hell?” heasked his followers, visibly shaken. LastOctober, over 400 top physicists signed a petition warning that theHiggs potential might become unstable at energies above 100bngiga-electron-volts (GeV) and asking governments to keep experimentsunder these levels. Yes,just say “no” to energies above 100bn giga-electron-volts (GeV)for now,withoutadequate safeguard for our world in place. Yes,Scientists should not be allowed to fool around out in the World with Mother Nature withoutadequate spiritual oversight. -Buck, an ever evolving old and practicing conservative transcendentalist meditator in the spiritual community of meditating Fairfield, Iowa... There
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Large Hell Creator?
Former Alameda county geologist Jim Berkland predicted Loma Prieta and got fired for it. He was basing it on the eclipse and tidal theories. The earth can bulge as much as 3 feet during eclipses and high tides. Two decades later Russian researchers concluded the theory was correct but the problem was knowing which fault was going to blow. On 04/30/2015 11:36 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : More likely the last eclipse a couple weeks back did some shifting of the tectonic plates in the Himalayas. We see quakes occurring regularly around eclipses and usually a little afterward as the plates settle again. Geophysicists are now trying to figure out a way to find which faults are about to blow. Hmm. If wonder if there's any truth to it? Maybe very high tides do cause a differential in weight applied across a large area that is enough to trigger a quake that was waiting to happen. But if they don't happen every time then it can't really be used to predict them. Maybe a combination of factors like time since last quake, or since nearby volcano that might have released a bit of pressure. Worth a google around I think. On 04/30/2015 10:00 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : There's a danger in thinking that two similarly timed events must be connected. Especially if you don't understand - and therefore might fear - one of them. The trouble here is that if we assume earthquakes are caused by physics experiments connected with some mystical belief about gods being subatomic structures then we have to start searching for the trigger event that caused other earthquakes and natural disasters that happened when there weren't high energy collisions going on at CERN. This superstitious way of looking at the world can be dangerous. If you believe, for instance, that people praying in one place has an effect on the world and then something bad happens you have to start looking for the person who wasn't praying enough or properly or who - gasp - doesn't really believe and make them pay somehow. This is called scapegoating. To scapegoat a physics experiment is the same order of illogical behaviour and, like punishing people who don't pray, won't ever result in a change in natural circumstances. Earthquakes are caused by movements in the Earth's crust, the large continental plates rub against each other because the Earth is spinning and is geologically active with deep ocean volcanoes pushing new land up which moves under other plates causing the sudden jolts we get around edges. India was an island slowly cruising north where it hit mainland Asia about 50 million years ago. That collision is what formed the Himalaya which is the world's biggest mountain range simply because it is the newest. It's hardly surprising there are Earthquakes there, it's only the short human life span which stops us seeing nature in all it's creative power and glory. In fact, we get screwed over by it relatively infrequently and historically lacked an explanation and so blamed it on the Gods. Interesting that people still blame the Gods but they are as wrong now as they were then, there are no higher energies created in particle accelerators than are created when charged particles from the sun and other stars hit the Earth's atmosphere. And every other place in the universe. Billions of times a second. I admire the creativity in linking the subatomic world with Hindu religion though, I may even post this on Brian Cox's Facebook page and see what he thinks... Or maybe John Hagelin. I'd love to see how he squirms out of it, he's been linking veda and physics for years, this is his chance to draw line between himself and the growing insanity of the new age. Or maybe we should commission a yagya to stop CERN from working? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : CERN Out of Balance in Tempting Nature Causes Nepali quakes.. Below is the video that documents the energy spikes at the time of the earthquake. The Nepal Earthquake Caused by Shiva's Trident Out of CERN http://www.dailycrow.com/5-facts-about-shiva-the-destroyer-cern-and-the-nepal-earthquake/ image http://www.dailycrow.com/5-facts-about-shiva-the-destroyer-cern-and-the-nepal-earthquake/ The Nepal Earthquake Caused by Shiva's Trident O... http://www.dailycrow.com/5-facts-about-shiva-the-destroyer-cern-and-the-nepal-earthquake/ CERN recently charged up their particle collider and at the exact moment energy spikes occurred in Switzerland the earthquake in Nepal took place. There is... View on www.dailycrow.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Large Hell Creator?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Or maybe John Hagelin. I'd love to see how he squirms out of it, he's been linking veda and physics for years, this is his chance to draw line between himself and the growing insanity of the new age. Are you kidding? He would be the first to milk the TM True Believers for yagya money to prevent such an occurrence in the future. Wonder what his personal cut is from the yagya money? Yeah, I think he's burned his bridges with the scientific community. His last yagya video was awful enough, though I still can't imagine he'd be able to sleep at night if he started claiming that CERN was conjuring up demons from the vedas. He must have some awareness that the career he abandoned for mysticism was based in justification from evidence rather than speculation from scripture. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Large Hell Creator? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : There's a danger in thinking that two similarly timed events must be connected. Especially if you don't understand - and therefore might fear - one of them. The trouble here is that if we assume earthquakes are caused by physics experiments connected with some mystical belief about gods being subatomic structures then we have to start searching for the trigger event that caused other earthquakes and natural disasters that happened when there weren't high energy collisions going on at CERN. This superstitious way of looking at the world can be dangerous. If you believe, for instance, that people praying in one place has an effect on the world and then something bad happens you have to start looking for the person who wasn't praying enough or properly or who - gasp - doesn't really believe and make them pay somehow. This is called scapegoating. To scapegoat a physics experiment is the same order of illogical behaviour and, like punishing people who don't pray, won't ever result in a change in natural circumstances. Earthquakes are caused by movements in the Earth's crust, the large continental plates rub against each other because the Earth is spinning and is geologically active with deep ocean volcanoes pushing new land up which moves under other plates causing the sudden jolts we get around edges. India was an island slowly cruising north where it hit mainland Asia about 50 million years ago. That collision is what formed the Himalaya which is the world's biggest mountain range simply because it is the newest. It's hardly surprising there are Earthquakes there, it's only the short human life span which stops us seeing nature in all it's creative power and glory. In fact, we get screwed over by it relatively infrequently and historically lacked an explanation and so blamed it on the Gods. Interesting that people still blame the Gods but they are as wrong now as they were then, there are no higher energies created in particle accelerators than are created when charged particles from the sun and other stars hit the Earth's atmosphere. And every other place in the universe. Billions of times a second. I admire the creativity in linking the subatomic world with Hindu religion though, I may even post this on Brian Cox's Facebook page and see what he thinks... Or maybe John Hagelin. I'd love to see how he squirms out of it, he's been linking veda and physics for years, this is his chance to draw line between himself and the growing insanity of the new age. Or maybe we should commission a yagya to stop CERN from working? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : CERN Out of Balance in Tempting Nature Causes Nepali quakes.. Below is the video that documents the energy spikes at the time of the earthquake. The Nepal Earthquake Caused by Shiva's Trident Out of CERN http://www.dailycrow.com/5-facts-about-shiva-the-destroyer-cern-and-the-nepal-earthquake/ http://www.dailycrow.com/5-facts-about-shiva-the-destroyer-cern-and-the-nepal-earthquake/ The Nepal Earthquake Caused by Shiva's Trident O... http://www.dailycrow.com/5-facts-about-shiva-the-destroyer-cern-and-the-nepal-earthquake/ CERN recently charged up their particle collider and at the exact moment energy spikes occurred in Switzerland the earthquake in Nepal took place. There is... View on www.dailycrow.com http://www.dailycrow.com/5-facts-about-shiva-the-destroyer-cern-and-the-nepal-earthquake/ Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : “an opening in the spacetime fabric” Another skeptic of the project is none other than respected physicist Stephen Hawking who has recently warned the end of the world could be sparked by the elusive ‘God particle’ ..scientists at the
RE: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL?
numbers dude. they tell the story. then look at your posting history it doesn't really show much interest in the place just sayin' (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jamesalan735@... wrote : Tell me: Who are these most other observers and how do you know what they think? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : ---snip---. To most other observers, it's a boring ass place, made interesting by seeing Barry's pals suck up to him on daily basis. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : So I guess FFL will continue to be a bunch of rough stones in a tumbler, gradually and painfully chipping away at one another’s rough edges, and perhaps eventually becoming smooth. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 4:00 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL? It's a shame that this joint isn't something much better. Sorry, but Rick's hands-off policy is the basis of it. Rick, I'm sure you are UP-TIGHT about whom you'll next interview at BATGAP, but why didn't you have this same zeal for righteousness when it came to shaping the FFL experience? Instead you've let every miscreant throw shit-pies into the faces of some very solid thinkers. A few simple rules could have been applied by a hands-ON policy, and the posters would have learned to be civil enough. Clearly the trolls have sundered the very idea of community. Allowing them to be, well, vicious, is the very heart of the wrongness here. And some of the best people here have been as wickedly abrasive as any of the others. I'm guilty, of course, but WOULD I HAVE BEEN such a shit-heel here if there'd been some discipline laid on all of us? I DON'T THINK SO. So who would be a good moderator that could keep the hate-addicts from puking acid-chime everywhere? And here's the strange part: almost anyone here could easily be the best moderator ever if but the intent and the power were there. Does anyone care about the potential of FFL enough to try to suss out a neo-POV about our agenda here? Aaand, now we wait for Willy to say something which clearly indicates that he thinks I'm a fucking diseased turd saturated with maggots...because HE PROJECTS. If I were a mod, and I don't want to be, but if I were, Willy's unkindness would be punished severely. As would be my above jab at him. But his stupidity and puffed up ego would be welcomed under my rule. His go figure would have him outted from here for a year at least. That would be my standard for troll derisiveness. Let's pretend FFL is a nice place and see how we'd handle this issue of having a Moral and Psychologically Supportive moderator here. Suggestions? I would vote for Judy in heartbeat -- didn't we all get up when she came back -- even though she was still the same old crab? I would even let Jim take over if he but did the policing fairly.
Re: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I found the thing that knocks the most time off your life is eating barbecued food on a regular basis You boys over there in Scorpion-Land just don't know how to cook real barbeque. Come on over the South Carolina and I'll teach you. Real barbeque don't mean hamburgers and hot dogs, either but I can show you how to do that too, so it goes down real nice and smooth and actually prolongs your life. You could be right MJ. Over here the summer only lasts for a few minutes so generally, the barbie comes out and a few pigs'n'chickens get flash burned and consumed in white rolls with ketchup. The lager makes it all worthwhile apparently. Me and my pals do it a bit differently. Being mostly vegetarians we'll have veggie kebabs or curries in balti pots cooked over an open fire. Sometimes we'll get the telescope out as dusk falls and call it a Starbecue. Infinity and quality nosh. that's living! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : On 04/30/2015 05:16 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... mailto:rick@... wrote : I don’t know whether anyone could fairly and objectively moderate this forum, including myself. Rules can be conceived and written, but enforcing them would require constant monitoring and decision-making. The judgments would necessarily be very subjective. Some offenses would be so egregious as to be clear-cut, but most would be some shade of grey. It would be a thankless full-time job, performed poorly. Most FFL participants would probably not appreciate it, and would vote for a return to the days of no moderation. So I guess FFL will continue to be a bunch of rough stones in a tumbler, gradually and painfully chipping away at one another’s rough edges, and perhaps eventually becoming smooth. Nicely put. I think the only thing , missing here is actual news from Fairfield. Maybe yourself or Buck (I'm hoping Buck) could fill us in on movement activities. I think it would do Buck good to have something to contribute rather than just whining about what everyone else talks about. How is the mental health group coming along? What are the pundits up to? Are new people moving in to replace those who move on? Anything will do. You never know, it might spark a conversation which is what we are sitting here waiting for. Not just movement news. There are a lot of dropouts who still live in Fairfield (many can't afford to live anywhere else). And how about the obituaries? It seems my theory that baby boomers won't live longer than their parents did is true. This regardless of what they do to try to live longer. OTOH, I seem to have outlived the age given by an actuarial test I did in the late 1990s. I wasn't too concerned back then because now seemed a long way off back then. ;-) Ha, good for you for thwarting your demise. According to a questionaire I did on the BBC website I'm virtually immortal and will live into my 90's! I think I might die of boredom long before then. Or maybe of frustration trying to keep up with how fast the world changes. Interestingly I did the test a few times with different boxes ticked to see what single lifestyle choice had the biggest effect on mortality. I tried adding smoking, drinking, and no exercise but I found the thing that knocks the most time off your life is eating barbecued food on a regular basis! Most unexpected but apparently badly cooked meat alter the DNA on the outside so that the stomach can't cope and puts too much strain on the system. How about that? But yes, these Fairfielders could put their knowledge to good use and keep the diaspora informed about how the age of Enlightenment is progressing at party HQ.
Re: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL?
All kidding aside, barbeque is real serious stuff around here. Barbeque means meat, slow cooked over wood coals. All things are argued and debated about. What are the best woods hickory? Pecan? Mesquite? A bit of apple wood thrown in? Rubs and sauces are an endless source of debate. I grew up in the area where the tradition was and is a mustard based sauce - still can't get used to anything else. In my vegetarian years, I used to use the sauce on rice, pasta and veggies of various kinds. Some of the best barbeque was made by a whack-o named Maurice Bessinger. He's dead now, but here is an article about him in his hey-day. A Confederacy of Sauces | | | | | | | | | | | A Confederacy of SaucesWhile I was back home last spring in Charleston, S.C., doing some work with my nephew, we decided to drive over to a barbecue joint one afternoon for some pulled po... | | | | View on www.nytimes.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I found the thing that knocks the most time off your life is eating barbecued food on a regular basis You boys over there in Scorpion-Land just don't know how to cook real barbeque. Come on over the South Carolina and I'll teach you. Real barbeque don't mean hamburgers and hot dogs, either but I can show you how to do that too, so it goes down real nice and smooth and actually prolongs your life. You could be right MJ. Over here the summer only lasts for a few minutes so generally, the barbie comes out and a few pigs'n'chickens get flash burned and consumed in white rolls with ketchup. The lager makes it all worthwhile apparently. Me and my pals do it a bit differently. Being mostly vegetarians we'll have veggie kebabs or curries in balti pots cooked over an open fire. Sometimes we'll get the telescope out as dusk falls and call it a Starbecue. Infinity and quality nosh. that's living! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : On 04/30/2015 05:16 AM, salyavin808wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@...wrote : I don’t knowwhether anyone could fairly and objectivelymoderate this forum, including myself. Rules canbe conceived and written, but enforcing them wouldrequire constant monitoring and decision-making.The judgments would necessarily be verysubjective. Some offenses would be so egregious asto be clear-cut, but most would be some shade ofgrey. It would be a thankless full-time job,performed poorly. Most FFL participants wouldprobably not appreciate it, and would vote for areturn to the days of no moderation. So I guess FFLwill continue to be a bunch of rough stones in atumbler, gradually and painfully chipping away atone another’s rough edges, and perhaps eventuallybecoming smooth. Nicelyput. I think the only thing , missing here isactual news from Fairfield. Maybe yourself or Buck(I'm hoping Buck) could fill us in on movementactivities. I think it would do Buck good to havesomething to contribute rather than just whiningabout what everyone else talks about. How is themental health group coming along? What are thepundits up to? Are new people moving in to replacethose who move on? Anything will do. You neverknow, it might spark a conversation which is whatwe are sitting here waiting for. Not just movement news. There are a lot of dropouts who still livein Fairfield (many can't afford to live anywhere else). And howabout the obituaries? It seems my theory that baby boomers won'tlive longer than their parents did is true. This regardless of whatthey do to try to live longer. OTOH, I seem to have outlived theage given by an actuarial test I did in the late 1990s. I wasn'ttoo concerned back then because now seemed a long way off backthen. ;-) Ha, good for you for thwarting your demise. According to a questionaire I did on the BBC website I'm virtually immortal and will live into my 90's! I think I might die of boredom long before then. Or maybe of frustration trying to keep up with how fast the world changes. Interestingly I did the test a few times with different boxes ticked to see what single lifestyle choice had the biggest effect on mortality. I tried adding smoking, drinking, and no exercise but I found the thing that knocks the most time off your life is eating barbecued food on a regular basis! Most unexpected but apparently badly cooked meat alter the DNA on the outside so that the stomach can't cope and puts too much strain on the system. How about that? But yes, these Fairfielders could put their knowledge to good use and
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
Buck is certainly opaque at times. I have no idea why he makes his posts so unreadable and convoluted. I recall being in the Presidio in San Francisco when it was still a military base (I had a date there with a civilian office worker), and I was reading some of the papers posted on the bulletin board. There was a lot of obfuscation that seemed to be an attempt to make the material sound more intelligent. For example the words 'personnel aerial deceleration device' replaced the word 'parachute'. Buck's post could be simplified: 'When posting, click on show message history to preserve the context of your reply and use a different typeface if posting replies within the message text you are replying to'. So it is truly odd that Buck makes some of the most unreadable posts on FFL. My reply here is a 'top post', so I hope he will be able to read it, even though I am replying to you (jamesalan735). Yahoo's coding seems to be making use of extra spacing between paragraphs. Sometimes when you reduce the spacing, it merges paragraphs into a solid mass. Messages go through more than one software system if you reply via an e-mail client rather than through a browser and the system has to try to make sense of jumbled HTML which it often cannot. The section of the web page that contained just your post (with its message history) contained 13 HTML errors (actually a lot less than I expected), but that is enough to cause display problems. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jamesalan735@... wrote : That's just a load of bull. Try this: Get 10 people around FF to look at your posts here, and ask them how readable they think they are, whats their first impressions, how likely they would be to read through your post. Then come back and post a summary of their reactions here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Larger context in the neo-yahoo format may not necessarily travel with posts and is then often difficult to quickly see threads whole to read. Hence top-post aggregating is a good way to have larger context of thinking travel nearby considering the untrustworthy way some here selectively nip out context in method to hurt what is being said. Top-posting seems to protect context too for occasional readers/lurkers coming in to a thread, quickly giving the whole context if needed. I feel it keeps things more honest for people generally to read and think about for themselves. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : What happened to your Enter key, Buck? You look very uneducated writing walls of text. Show you have brains. Otherwise no one pro or con are going to read your posts. On 04/30/2015 08:58 AM, dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: It takes skills and practice to see discussion as thinking but it takes allies of kindness to think together creatively. For the engagement within a group [FFL] to be effective there need be folks and a moderation willing and able to stand up to bullies who would destroy forum, to have a thinking forum.Truth evidently won't 'set us free' until we have the courage, skills and habit and moral courage to kindly explore it. There evidently are few allies of civil discourse on FFL and Rick Archer in moderation is seldom here to evenly protect civil discourse. Kind thoughtful discussion is up to the folks left here to seize if it can be had at all. Kind discourse has been 'thrown to the dogs' on FFL to tear up by a lack of moderation let alone any self-control.The bullies have run most wild here unchecked because nice people were not protected and thoughtful folks often inside are afraid of embroiling mean conflict upon themselves enough to invest in it, ..in provoking the bullying..“For the record, I apologize for nothing. Rien. Nada. Nichevo. Bupkus. I meant everything I've ever said here, and stand by it fully.”In thinking together, people often may fail in process of creative thought out of fears to extend themselves individually in to the collective, for fear of engaging with evidently untrustworthy folks. Engagement that may provoke unfriendly embroilment which potentially might be brought on to themselves by stepping forward in conversation. 'Thinking as process' takes skills and practice to see dissonances as thinking and get good at it, to get beyond ego and not let it get out of control. Too many of the writers in character writing here derail creative thinking on FFL by their default to the assault of the personal invective instead of just commenting on a substance of the material brought. That abusive character has been really unfortunate for the larger FFL community.The challenge of FFL as a forum community is to find constructive ways of engaging with people. That takes kindness, tolerance and patience as skillsets and practice to be able to think together and be creative, to look at and solve
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Large Hell Creator?
Or maybe John Hagelin. I'd love to see how he squirms out of it, he's been linking veda and physics for years, this is his chance to draw line between himself and the growing insanity of the new age. Are you kidding? He would be the first to milk the TM True Believers for yagya money to prevent such an occurrence in the future. Wonder what his personal cut is from the yagya money? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Large Hell Creator? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : There's a danger in thinking that two similarly timed events must be connected. Especially if you don't understand - and therefore might fear - one of them. The trouble here is that if we assume earthquakes are caused by physics experiments connected with some mystical belief about gods being subatomic structures then we have to start searching for the trigger event that caused other earthquakes and natural disasters that happened when there weren't high energy collisions going on at CERN. This superstitious way of looking at the world can be dangerous. If you believe, for instance, that people praying in one place has an effect on the world and then something bad happens you have to start looking for the person who wasn't praying enough or properly or who - gasp - doesn't really believe and make them pay somehow. This is called scapegoating. To scapegoat a physics experiment is the same order of illogical behaviour and, like punishing people who don't pray, won't ever result in a change in natural circumstances. Earthquakes are caused by movements in the Earth's crust, the large continental plates rub against each other because the Earth is spinning and is geologically active with deep ocean volcanoes pushing new land up which moves under other plates causing the sudden jolts we get around edges. India was an island slowly cruising north where it hit mainland Asia about 50 million years ago. That collision is what formed the Himalaya which is the world's biggest mountain range simply because it is the newest. It's hardly surprising there are Earthquakes there, it's only the short human life span which stops us seeing nature in all it's creative power and glory. In fact, we get screwed over by it relatively infrequently and historically lacked an explanation and so blamed it on the Gods. Interesting that people still blame the Gods but they are as wrong now as they were then, there are no higher energies created in particle accelerators than are created when charged particles from the sun and other stars hit the Earth's atmosphere. And every other place in the universe. Billions of times a second. I admire the creativity in linking the subatomic world with Hindu religion though, I may even post this on Brian Cox's Facebook page and see what he thinks... Or maybe John Hagelin. I'd love to see how he squirms out of it, he's been linking veda and physics for years, this is his chance to draw line between himself and the growing insanity of the new age. Or maybe we should commission a yagya to stop CERN from working? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : CERN Out of Balance in Tempting Nature Causes Nepali quakes.. Below is the video that documents the energy spikes at the time of the earthquake. The Nepal Earthquake Caused by Shiva's Trident Out of CERN | | | | | | The Nepal Earthquake Caused by Shiva's Trident O... CERN recently charged up their particle collider and at the exact moment energy spikes occurred in Switzerland the earthquake in Nepal took place. There is... | | | View on www.dailycrow.com| Preview by Yahoo | | | ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : “anopening in the spacetime fabric” Anotherskeptic of the project is none other than respectedphysicist Stephen Hawking who has recently warned the end of theworld could be sparked by the elusive ‘God particle’ ..scientists atthe Large Hadron Collider next week are hoping to experiment with apossible connection with a parallel universe outside of our own. PopeFrancis adds: “Myfellow Christians, we are living in desperate times” hetold the crowd.“Scienceis about to test the limits of God and his creation. God has createdboundaries between the world of the living and the world of the dead.Are these scientists about to unleash upon us the Gates of Hell?” heasked his followers, visibly shaken. LastOctober, over 400 top physicists signed a petition warning that theHiggs potential might become unstable at energies above 100bngiga-electron-volts (GeV) and asking governments to keep experimentsunder these levels. Yes,just say “no” to energies above 100bn giga-electron-volts (GeV)for now,withoutadequate safeguard for our world in place. Yes,Scientists should not be allowed to fool
Re: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL?
Isn't that just like thugs - say something they don't like or don't agree with, and they get mad, call you a name, throw your stuff in the trash and then ignore you in an open discussion. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I never know if Willy Wonko or Steve the Willy Clone ever post unless someone mentions them.I route all their posts to the trash automatically - it works very well, --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sa...@yahoogroups.com wrote : In that case I'll do you a huge favour and never mention them again.
RE: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL?
Dear Salyavin, No it is not very likely to happen, unless there is an evident cultural change on FFL towards something that is kinder towards collaborative thinking. A problem with what you hope for is that the dominant communal culture of the FFL list is manifestly not trustworthy nearly enough to have considered thoughtful discourse generally. The place has been made way too toxic by some few writers in style for there to be substantial material posted here for considered discussion about the community. I have a lot of things that come to my mailbox all the time that are extremely interesting and relevant but it is just not worth the abuse that would come from sharing them on FFL as it is now. I hope that will change, -JaiGuruYou salyavin808 hopes: I think the only thing , missing here is actual news from Fairfield. Maybe yourself or Buck (I'm hoping Buck) could fill us in on movement activities. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : I don’t know whether anyone could fairly and objectively moderate this forum, including myself. Rules can be conceived and written, but enforcing them would require constant monitoring and decision-making. The judgments would necessarily be very subjective. Some offenses would be so egregious as to be clear-cut, but most would be some shade of grey. It would be a thankless full-time job, performed poorly. Most FFL participants would probably not appreciate it, and would vote for a return to the days of no moderation. So I guess FFL will continue to be a bunch of rough stones in a tumbler, gradually and painfully chipping away at one another’s rough edges, and perhaps eventually becoming smooth. Nicely put. I think the only thing , missing here is actual news from Fairfield. Maybe yourself or Buck (I'm hoping Buck) could fill us in on movement activities. I think it would do Buck good to have something to contribute rather than just whining about what everyone else talks about. How is the mental health group coming along? What are the pundits up to? Are new people moving in to replace those who move on? Anything will do. You never know, it might spark a conversation which is what we are sitting here waiting for. Willy and Seventhray need to be set free though. There isn't any way anything they write now could be seen to be constructive. They contribute nothing except entropy. I admire your optimism if you think they'll change but it's been a long time and a waste of life for the pair of them. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 4:00 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL? It's a shame that this joint isn't something much better. Sorry, but Rick's hands-off policy is the basis of it. Rick, I'm sure you are UP-TIGHT about whom you'll next interview at BATGAP, but why didn't you have this same zeal for righteousness when it came to shaping the FFL experience? Instead you've let every miscreant throw shit-pies into the faces of some very solid thinkers. A few simple rules could have been applied by a hands-ON policy, and the posters would have learned to be civil enough. Clearly the trolls have sundered the very idea of community. Allowing them to be, well, vicious, is the very heart of the wrongness here. And some of the best people here have been as wickedly abrasive as any of the others. I'm guilty, of course, but WOULD I HAVE BEEN such a shit-heel here if there'd been some discipline laid on all of us? I DON'T THINK SO. So who would be a good moderator that could keep the hate-addicts from puking acid-chime everywhere? And here's the strange part: almost anyone here could easily be the best moderator ever if but the intent and the power were there. Does anyone care about the potential of FFL enough to try to suss out a neo-POV about our agenda here? Aaand, now we wait for Willy to say something which clearly indicates that he thinks I'm a fucking diseased turd saturated with maggots...because HE PROJECTS. If I were a mod, and I don't want to be, but if I were, Willy's unkindness would be punished severely. As would be my above jab at him. But his stupidity and puffed up ego would be welcomed under my rule. His go figure would have him outted from here for a year at least. That would be my standard for troll derisiveness. Let's pretend FFL is a nice place and see how we'd handle this issue of having a Moral and Psychologically Supportive moderator here. Suggestions? I would vote for Judy in heartbeat -- didn't we all get up when she came back -- even though she was still the same old crab? I would even let Jim take over if he but did the policing fairly.
RE: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL?
In other words, you don't know who these 'most other observers and you don't know what they think. FWIW, observers, by definition, don't have a posting history. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : numbers dude. they tell the story. then look at your posting history it doesn't really show much interest in the place just sayin' (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jamesalan735@... wrote : Tell me: Who are these most other observers and how do you know what they think? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : ---snip---. To most other observers, it's a boring ass place, made interesting by seeing Barry's pals suck up to him on daily basis. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : So I guess FFL will continue to be a bunch of rough stones in a tumbler, gradually and painfully chipping away at one another’s rough edges, and perhaps eventually becoming smooth. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 4:00 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL? It's a shame that this joint isn't something much better. Sorry, but Rick's hands-off policy is the basis of it. Rick, I'm sure you are UP-TIGHT about whom you'll next interview at BATGAP, but why didn't you have this same zeal for righteousness when it came to shaping the FFL experience? Instead you've let every miscreant throw shit-pies into the faces of some very solid thinkers. A few simple rules could have been applied by a hands-ON policy, and the posters would have learned to be civil enough. Clearly the trolls have sundered the very idea of community. Allowing them to be, well, vicious, is the very heart of the wrongness here. And some of the best people here have been as wickedly abrasive as any of the others. I'm guilty, of course, but WOULD I HAVE BEEN such a shit-heel here if there'd been some discipline laid on all of us? I DON'T THINK SO. So who would be a good moderator that could keep the hate-addicts from puking acid-chime everywhere? And here's the strange part: almost anyone here could easily be the best moderator ever if but the intent and the power were there. Does anyone care about the potential of FFL enough to try to suss out a neo-POV about our agenda here? Aaand, now we wait for Willy to say something which clearly indicates that he thinks I'm a fucking diseased turd saturated with maggots...because HE PROJECTS. If I were a mod, and I don't want to be, but if I were, Willy's unkindness would be punished severely. As would be my above jab at him. But his stupidity and puffed up ego would be welcomed under my rule. His go figure would have him outted from here for a year at least. That would be my standard for troll derisiveness. Let's pretend FFL is a nice place and see how we'd handle this issue of having a Moral and Psychologically Supportive moderator here. Suggestions? I would vote for Judy in heartbeat -- didn't we all get up when she came back -- even though she was still the same old crab? I would even let Jim take over if he but did the policing fairly.
RE: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Dear Salyavin, No it is not very likely to happen, unless there is an evident cultural change on FFL towards something that is kinder towards collaborative thinking. Collaborative thinking seems like an odd wish for a discussion group. I wonder if what you really want is control over other people's responses? A problem with what you hope for is that the dominant communal culture of the FFL list is manifestly not trustworthy nearly enough to have considered thoughtful discourse generally. I always indulge in considered thought (OK, nearly always...). I think you just dislike the conclusions occasionally. Trustworthy is an odd desire too, what do you want to trust us to do? The place has been made way too toxic by some few writers in style for there to be substantial material posted here for considered discussion about the community. Toxic? The only toxic people here are the Texan tosser and seventhray as they bring nothing but hate and derision, and no positive contribution whatsoever. At least the rest of us have a laugh and try and get creative with what we post. And I don't think the TM community is as fragile as you imagine. Either the base it's built on is solid or it can get knocked down easily in which case it deserves to fall over and get buried by history but it seems to survive the slings and arrows from the sceptics. Actually, it just ignores them but when you think you are right about everything you don't even have to listen. I think you worry too much about other people's opinions - they can only hurt you if you let them. I have a lot of things that come to my mailbox all the time that are extremely interesting and relevant but it is just not worth the abuse that would come from sharing them on FFL as it is now. I hope that will change, -JaiGuruYou Abuse? Is criticism automatically abuse now? Not for me, criticism is healthy, it's part of how you learn what works and what doesn't. I'm guessing you didn't like my breakdown of the mental health work you guys are doing, that was the last FF TMO thing that got posted here. I thought it was a well considered piece that pointed out a few obvious shortcomings. That's the trouble with discussion groups, you come up against contrary opinions and have to defend your own POV. Having read the homepage, I think it's what we are here for. If your desire was for me was to simply agree with you or hold my tongue then I think you want this place to be something it isn't and never was. All the best... salyavin808 hopes: I think the only thing , missing here is actual news from Fairfield. Maybe yourself or Buck (I'm hoping Buck) could fill us in on movement activities. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : I don’t know whether anyone could fairly and objectively moderate this forum, including myself. Rules can be conceived and written, but enforcing them would require constant monitoring and decision-making. The judgments would necessarily be very subjective. Some offenses would be so egregious as to be clear-cut, but most would be some shade of grey. It would be a thankless full-time job, performed poorly. Most FFL participants would probably not appreciate it, and would vote for a return to the days of no moderation. So I guess FFL will continue to be a bunch of rough stones in a tumbler, gradually and painfully chipping away at one another’s rough edges, and perhaps eventually becoming smooth. Nicely put. I think the only thing , missing here is actual news from Fairfield. Maybe yourself or Buck (I'm hoping Buck) could fill us in on movement activities. I think it would do Buck good to have something to contribute rather than just whining about what everyone else talks about. How is the mental health group coming along? What are the pundits up to? Are new people moving in to replace those who move on? Anything will do. You never know, it might spark a conversation which is what we are sitting here waiting for. Willy and Seventhray need to be set free though. There isn't any way anything they write now could be seen to be constructive. They contribute nothing except entropy. I admire your optimism if you think they'll change but it's been a long time and a waste of life for the pair of them. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 4:00 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL? It's a shame that this joint isn't something much better. Sorry, but Rick's hands-off policy is the basis of it. Rick, I'm sure you are UP-TIGHT about whom you'll next interview at BATGAP, but why didn't you have this
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Large Hell Creator?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : They're learning about earthquake predictions here all the time and it isn't over at some ashram. Try UC Berkeley or UCSF. They're working on early warning systems. Your sister probably likes the Sun for a change snark, snark. But the bigger problem here now is the drought. We got some rain Friday night but it would need to rain through June to make up for things. She was telling me about having to cut back another 25% on water use, she's pissed of because she was being frugal anyway while the people down the road were watering their lawn and a similar percentage drop for them means they can still take baths twice a day. badly thought out scheme but what can you do? She's coming over for a visit next week and yes, it's wet and freezing here... On 04/30/2015 01:01 PM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : However the theory holds water. Here in earthquake land we like to test anything that can give us a chance to know when the big one is going to hit. The Calaveras Fault is just a few miles to the east of me an the Hayward a few to the west. Fun! How confident would you have to be in a prediction to pack up your stuff and head for the hills? Have you ever wanted to get out during a tremor? My sister lives in California and she hates quakes. She lives right on a tributary of the San Andreas fault and I tell her it's a dumb place to live if she's scared of them. The quality of produce from the local vineyards makes up for it apparently. On 04/30/2015 12:14 PM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Berkland was suspended for a couple months for shooting his mouth off. His predictions are not too impressive, given the fact that he often can't say WHERE the quake is going to be. 2009, he predicted a major earthquake sometime between January 9-14. And a 5.3 quake did occur - on the island of Crete. Also the fact that he advertises himself and his predictions on shows like Coast to Coast with Art Bell or George Noory kind of erodes his credibility. From: Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Large Hell Creator? Former Alameda county geologist Jim Berkland predicted Loma Prieta and got fired for it. He was basing it on the eclipse and tidal theories. The earth can bulge as much as 3 feet during eclipses and high tides. Two decades later Russian researchers concluded the theory was correct but the problem was knowing which fault was going to blow. On 04/30/2015 11:36 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : Morelikely the last eclipse a couple weeks back did some shifting of the tectonic plates in the Himalayas. We see quakes occurring regularly around eclipses and usually a little afterward as the plates settle again. Geophysicists are now trying to figure out a way to find which faults are about to blow. Hmm. If wonder if there's any truth to it? Maybe very high tides do cause a differential in weight applied across a large area that is enough to trigger a quake that was waiting to happen. But if they don't happen every time then it can't really be used to predict them. Maybe a combination of factors like time since last quake, or since nearby volcano that might have released a bit of pressure. Worth a google around I think. On 04/30/2015 10:00 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : There's a danger in thinking that two similarly timed events must be connected. Especially if you don't understand - and therefore might fear - one of them. The trouble here is that if we assume earthquakes are caused by physics experiments connected with some mystical belief about gods being subatomic structures then we have to start searching for the trigger event that caused other earthquakes and natural disasters that happened when there weren't high energy collisions going on at CERN. This superstitious way of looking at the world can be dangerous. If you believe, for instance, that people praying in one place has an effect on the world and then something bad happens you have to start looking for the person who wasn't praying enough or properly or who - gasp - doesn't really believe and make them pay somehow. This is called scapegoating. To scapegoat a physics experiment is the same order of illogical
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Large Hell Creator?
Berkland was suspended for a couple months for shooting his mouth off. His predictions are not too impressive, given the fact that he often can't say WHERE the quake is going to be. 2009, he predicted a major earthquake sometime between January 9-14. And a 5.3 quake did occur - on the island of Crete. Also the fact that he advertises himself and his predictions on shows like Coast to Coast with Art Bell or George Noory kind of erodes his credibility. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Large Hell Creator? Former Alameda county geologist Jim Berkland predicted Loma Prieta and got fired for it. He was basing it on the eclipse and tidal theories. The earth can bulge as much as 3 feet during eclipses and high tides. Two decades later Russian researchers concluded the theory was correct but the problem was knowing which fault was going to blow. On 04/30/2015 11:36 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : More likely the last eclipse a couple weeks back did some shifting of the tectonic plates in the Himalayas. We see quakes occurring regularly around eclipses and usually a little afterward as the plates settle again. Geophysicists are now trying to figure out a way to find which faults are about to blow. Hmm. If wonder if there's any truth to it? Maybe very high tides do cause a differential in weight applied across a large area that is enough to trigger a quake that was waiting to happen. But if they don't happen every time then it can't really be used to predict them. Maybe a combination of factors like time since last quake, or since nearby volcano that might have released a bit of pressure. Worth a google around I think. On 04/30/2015 10:00 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : There's a danger in thinking that two similarly timed events must be connected. Especially if you don't understand - and therefore might fear - one of them. The trouble here is that if we assume earthquakes are caused by physics experiments connected with some mystical belief about gods being subatomic structures then we have to start searching for the trigger event that caused other earthquakes and natural disasters that happened when there weren't high energy collisions going on at CERN. This superstitious way of looking at the world can be dangerous. If you believe, for instance, that people praying in one place has an effect on the world and then something bad happens you have to start looking for the person who wasn't praying enough or properly or who - gasp - doesn't really believe and make them pay somehow. This is called scapegoating. To scapegoat a physics experiment is the same order of illogical behaviour and, like punishing people who don't pray, won't ever result in a change in natural circumstances. Earthquakes are caused by movements in the Earth's crust, the large continental plates rub against each other because the Earth is spinning and is geologically active with deep ocean volcanoes pushing new land up which moves under other plates causing the sudden jolts we get around edges. India was an island slowly cruising north where it hit mainland Asia about 50 million years ago. That collision is what formed the Himalaya which is the world's biggest mountain range simply because it is the newest. It's hardly surprising there are Earthquakes there, it's only the short human life span which stops us seeing nature in all it's creative power and glory. In fact, we get screwed over by it relatively infrequently and historically lacked an explanation and so blamed it on the Gods. Interesting that people still blame the Gods but they are as wrong now as they were then, there are no higher energies created in particle accelerators than are created when charged particles from the sun and other stars hit the Earth's atmosphere. And every other place in the universe. Billions of times a second. I admire the creativity in linking the subatomic world with Hindu religion though, I may even post this on Brian Cox's Facebook page and see what he thinks... Or maybe John Hagelin. I'd love to see how he squirms out of it, he's been linking veda and physics for years, this is his chance to draw line between himself and the growing insanity of the new age. Or maybe we should commission a yagya to stop CERN from working? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : CERNOut of Balance in Tempting Nature Causes Nepali quakes.. Belowis the video that documents the energy spikes at the time of the earthquake. TheNepal Earthquake Caused by Shiva's Trident Out of CERN | | | | | |
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Large Hell Creator?
However the theory holds water. Here in earthquake land we like to test anything that can give us a chance to know when the big one is going to hit. The Calaveras Fault is just a few miles to the east of me an the Hayward a few to the west. Fun! On 04/30/2015 12:14 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Berkland was suspended for a couple months for shooting his mouth off. His predictions are not too impressive, given the fact that he often can't say WHERE the quake is going to be. 2009, he predicted a major earthquake sometime between January 9-14. And a 5.3 quake did occur - on the island of Crete. Also the fact that he advertises himself and his predictions on shows like Coast to Coast with Art Bell or George Noory kind of erodes his credibility. *From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, April 30, 2015 3:01 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Large Hell Creator? Former Alameda county geologist Jim Berkland predicted Loma Prieta and got fired for it. He was basing it on the eclipse and tidal theories. The earth can bulge as much as 3 feet during eclipses and high tides. Two decades later Russian researchers concluded the theory was correct but the problem was knowing which fault was going to blow. On 04/30/2015 11:36 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : More likely the last eclipse a couple weeks back did some shifting of the tectonic plates in the Himalayas. We see quakes occurring regularly around eclipses and usually a little afterward as the plates settle again. Geophysicists are now trying to figure out a way to find which faults are about to blow. Hmm. If wonder if there's any truth to it? Maybe very high tides do cause a differential in weight applied across a large area that is enough to trigger a quake that was waiting to happen. But if they don't happen every time then it can't really be used to predict them. Maybe a combination of factors like time since last quake, or since nearby volcano that might have released a bit of pressure. Worth a google around I think. On 04/30/2015 10:00 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : There's a danger in thinking that two similarly timed events must be connected. Especially if you don't understand - and therefore might fear - one of them. The trouble here is that if we assume earthquakes are caused by physics experiments connected with some mystical belief about gods being subatomic structures then we have to start searching for the trigger event that caused other earthquakes and natural disasters that happened when there weren't high energy collisions going on at CERN. This superstitious way of looking at the world can be dangerous. If you believe, for instance, that people praying in one place has an effect on the world and then something bad happens you have to start looking for the person who wasn't praying enough or properly or who - gasp - doesn't really believe and make them pay somehow. This is called scapegoating. To scapegoat a physics experiment is the same order of illogical behaviour and, like punishing people who don't pray, won't ever result in a change in natural circumstances. Earthquakes are caused by movements in the Earth's crust, the large continental plates rub against each other because the Earth is spinning and is geologically active with deep ocean volcanoes pushing new land up which moves under other plates causing the sudden jolts we get around edges. India was an island slowly cruising north where it hit mainland Asia about 50 million years ago. That collision is what formed the Himalaya which is the world's biggest mountain range simply because it is the newest. It's hardly surprising there are Earthquakes there, it's only the short human life span which stops us seeing nature in all it's creative power and glory. In fact, we get screwed over by it relatively infrequently and historically lacked an explanation and so blamed it on the Gods. Interesting that people still blame the Gods but they are as wrong now as they were then, there are no higher energies created in particle accelerators than are created when charged particles from the sun and other stars hit the Earth's atmosphere. And every other place in the universe. Billions of times a second. I admire the creativity in linking the subatomic world with Hindu religion though, I may even post this on Brian Cox's Facebook page and see what he thinks... Or maybe John Hagelin. I'd love to see how he squirms out of it, he's been linking veda and
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Large Hell Creator?
They're learning about earthquake predictions here all the time and it isn't over at some ashram. Try UC Berkeley or UCSF. They're working on early warning systems. Your sister probably likes the Sun for a change snark, snark. But the bigger problem here now is the drought. We got some rain Friday night but it would need to rain through June to make up for things. On 04/30/2015 01:01 PM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : However the theory holds water. Here in earthquake land we like to test anything that can give us a chance to know when the big one is going to hit. The Calaveras Fault is just a few miles to the east of me an the Hayward a few to the west. Fun! How confident would you have to be in a prediction to pack up your stuff and head for the hills? Have you ever wanted to get out during a tremor? My sister lives in California and she hates quakes. She lives right on a tributary of the San Andreas fault and I tell her it's a dumb place to live if she's scared of them. The quality of produce from the local vineyards makes up for it apparently. On 04/30/2015 12:14 PM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Berkland was suspended for a couple months for shooting his mouth off. His predictions are not too impressive, given the fact that he often can't say WHERE the quake is going to be. 2009, he predicted a major earthquake sometime between January 9-14. And a 5.3 quake did occur - on the island of Crete. Also the fact that he advertises himself and his predictions on shows like Coast to Coast with Art Bell or George Noory kind of erodes his credibility. *From:* Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, April 30, 2015 3:01 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Large Hell Creator? Former Alameda county geologist Jim Berkland predicted Loma Prieta and got fired for it. He was basing it on the eclipse and tidal theories. The earth can bulge as much as 3 feet during eclipses and high tides. Two decades later Russian researchers concluded the theory was correct but the problem was knowing which fault was going to blow. On 04/30/2015 11:36 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : Morelikely the last eclipse a couple weeks back did some shifting of the tectonic plates in the Himalayas. We see quakes occurring regularly around eclipses and usually a little afterward as the plates settle again. Geophysicists are now trying to figure out a way to find which faults are about to blow. Hmm. If wonder if there's any truth to it? Maybe very high tides do cause a differential in weight applied across a large area that is enough to trigger a quake that was waiting to happen. But if they don't happen every time then it can't really be used to predict them. Maybe a combination of factors like time since last quake, or since nearby volcano that might have released a bit of pressure. Worth a google around I think. On 04/30/2015 10:00 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : There's a danger in thinking that two similarly timed events must be connected. Especially if you don't understand - and therefore might fear - one of them. The trouble here is that if we assume earthquakes are caused by physics experiments connected with some mystical belief about gods being subatomic structures then we have to start searching for the trigger event that caused other earthquakes and natural disasters that happened when there weren't high energy collisions going on at CERN. This superstitious way of looking at the world can be dangerous. If you believe, for instance, that people praying in one place has an effect on the world and then something bad happens you have to start looking for the person who wasn't praying enough or properly or who - gasp - doesn't really believe and make them pay somehow. This is called scapegoating. To scapegoat a physics experiment is the same order of illogical behaviour and, like punishing people who don't pray, won't ever result in a change in natural circumstances. Earthquakes are caused by movements in the Earth's crust, the large continental plates rub against each other because the Earth is spinning and is geologically active with deep ocean
[FairfieldLife] Consciousness as a State of Matter?
Scientists who believe this are wrong. It should be the other way around. Conscious is the basis of everything in the universe. They should use common sense and reason to understand the mechanics of Nature. As a matter of fact, the higher dimensions above space-time can be considered as the seven states of consciousness taught by MMY. Physicists Say Consciousness Might Be a State of Matter — NOVA Next | PBS http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/next/physics/physicists-say-consciousness-might-be-a-state-of-matter/ http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/next/physics/physicists-say-consciousness-might-be-a-state-of-matter/ Physicists Say Consciousness Might Be a State of Matter ... http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/next/physics/physicists-say-consciousness-might-be-a-state-of-matter/ Theoretical physicist Max Tegmark says that consciousness might be a state of matter, which he calls perceptronium. View on www.pbs.org http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/next/physics/physicists-say-consciousness-might-be-a-state-of-matter/ Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiverse Revealed in Bhagavad Gita
One has to read the Gita and other wisdom books in various levels of understanding. From a literal sense, the translation of this verse appears mythical and impractical. But in a figurative sense, the translation reveals the infinite properties of the multiverse which are represented by the infinite faces of the Supreme Deity or the laws of nature present in these worlds. From this point of view, one can see the deep wisdom that is being conveyed in this chapter of the Gita. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote : Don't you have any better translations of the Bhagavatam to work with than Bhaktivedanta? You will never view unbiased translations from his works ... or from any Gaudiya Vaishnava-s for that matter. There are much more accurate translations available. Why quote contaminated scriptures full of ideologically corrupted interpretations? ″sarvavedanta saram yadbramhatmaikatva lakshanam vastwadwitiyam tannishtham kaivalaikaprayojanam″( BP 12.13.12) ″You already know that the essence of all vedanta is the non-duality of atman and brahman. Only this is the given subject of Bhagavata Purana. The aim of this (Bhagavata Purana) is kaivalya moksha only.″
[FairfieldLife] Multiverse Revealed in Bhagavad Gita
Even before scientists conceived of the multiverse concept, the Gita had already discussed it in Chapter 11, as shown below: Bhagavad Gita, Chapter 11: The Universal Form http://www.asitis.com/11/index.html http://www.asitis.com/11/index.html Bhagavad Gita, Chapter 11: The Universal Form http://www.asitis.com/11/index.html Lord Krishna grants Arjuna divine vision and reveals His spectacular unlimited form as the cosmic universe. Thus He conclusively establishes His divinity. Kr... View on www.asitis.com http://www.asitis.com/11/index.html Preview by Yahoo Stephen Hawking has recently stated that the multiverse can someday be proved scientifically.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Multiverse Revealed in Bhagavad Gita
Don't you have any better translations of the Bhagavatam to work with than Bhaktivedanta? You will never view unbiased translations from his works ... or from any Gaudiya Vaishnava-s for that matter. There are much more accurate translations available. Why quote contaminated scriptures full of ideologically corrupted interpretations? ″sarvavedanta saram yadbramhatmaikatva lakshanam vastwadwitiyam tannishtham kaivalaikaprayojanam″( BP 12.13.12) ″You already know that the essence of all vedanta is the non-duality of atman and brahman. Only this is the given subject of Bhagavata Purana. The aim of this (Bhagavata Purana) is kaivalya moksha only.″
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
There is good reason to lack trust in collaboration on FFL at Yahoo-groups by what has been allowed to become a dominant culture of a few here. Of a fear of getting needlessly ensnared by any participation of putting ones thoughts and self forward. Folks generally are denied the opportunity to think together with good people on FFL for all the snark of the ad hominem attack.It takes skills and practice to see discussion as thinking but it takes allies of kindness to think together creatively. For the engagement within a group [FFL] to be effective there need be folks and a moderation willing and able to stand up to bullies who would destroy forum, to have a thinking forum.Truth evidently won't 'set us free' until we have the courage, skills, habit and moral courage to kindly explore it. There evidently are few allies of civil discourse on FFL and Rick Archer in moderation is seldom here to evenly protect civil discourse. Kind thoughtful discussion is up to the folks left here to seize if it can be had at all. Kind discourse has been 'thrown to the dogs' on FFL to tear up by a lack of moderation let alone any self-control.The bullies have run most wild here unchecked because nice people were not protected and thoughtful folks often inside are afraid of embroiling mean conflict upon themselves enough to invest in it, ..in provoking the bullying..“For the record, I apologize for nothing. Rien. Nada. Nichevo. Bupkus. I meant everything I've ever said here, and stand by it fully.”In thinking together, people often may fail in process of creative thought out of fears to extend themselves individually in to the collective, for fear of engaging with evidently untrustworthy folks. Engagement that may provoke unfriendly embroilment which potentially might be brought on to themselves by stepping forward in conversation. 'Thinking as process' takes skills and practice to see dissonances as thinking and get good at it, to get beyond ego and not let it get out of control. Too many of the writers in character writing here derail creative thinking on FFL by their default to the assault of the personal invective instead of just commenting on a substance of the material brought. That abusive character has been really unfortunate for the larger FFL community.The challenge of FFL as a forum community is to find constructive ways of engaging with people. That takes kindness, tolerance and patience as skillsets and practice to be able to think together and be creative, to look at and solve problems together. FFL is a long ways from that by a grip of vice of some folks who dominate FFL.Collaborating in 'Disconfirmation': seeking different ways of looking at models, of 'thinking' in constructive conflict.Thoughtful conversation seems a willing kind collaborative, a kind cooperative 'process in disconfirmation'. By contrast a trust in kindness as element has been driven out of Fairfieldlife at Yahoo-groups by a dominant methodical use of personal invective in the ad hominem used as weapon to personally hurt people here.Collaboration in a type of, Love? In kindness to a creative process?Quite evidently thoughtful conversation takes a civil kind collaboration in self-control to have productive conversation. Some have done their poisonous work here with the communal well-spring.Collaboration? Could many folks dare at all to publicly disagree here on FFL anymore given the lack of self-restraint in the culture that remains on FFL? What is mostly missing now from the dominant FFL writing is a kindness to process, a love enough of collaboration that seems necessary enough for there to be creative thinking between people. Instead what we have is a culture of rudeness that has long interrupted the communal thinking here and driven people away.The cultural place that was FFL seems to have been poisoned. The place evidently has died for lack of a willing collaboration as an oxygen that could include other points of view other than some caustic character of dominant internet haters and personalities in method. The cost to FairfieldLife at Yahoo-groups has been the loss of a forum for communal thinking.A pervasive unkindness in ad hominem-istic snark parading as 'intellectual retort', it's the dominant 'culture' here at FFL now, as the evident lack in thoughtful community culture here. Folks otherwise have come instead to fear to spend their time thinking here reading let alone posting here. It is a sad commentary on how it has gone down for FFL. Many of the writers left here have in many ways become the people they revile, bullies like they see Bevan or others in the movement community.Salon, saloon or shalom; who would enter in to a place met with the likes of, “You Suck..” or “Fuck you” as first text lines or “You lying Fuck” as a subject heading? MJ, there was a long period of a poisonous malignancy here in the postings between a few people who came on before you came along
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Multiverse Revealed in Bhagavad Gita
Suggest a good 'un for us then!
From: emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 11:00 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Multiverse Revealed in Bhagavad Gita
Don't you have any better translations of the Bhagavatam to work with than
Bhaktivedanta? You will never view unbiased translations from his works ... or
from any Gaudiya Vaishnava-s for that matter.
There are much more accurate translations available. Why quote contaminated
scriptures full of ideologically corrupted interpretations?
″sarvavedanta saram yadbramhatmaikatva lakshanam vastwadwitiyam tannishtham
kaivalaikaprayojanam″( BP 12.13.12)
″You already know that the essence of all vedanta is the non-duality of atman
and brahman. Only this is the given subject of Bhagavata Purana. The aim of
this (Bhagavata Purana) is kaivalya moksha only.″
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Re: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : All kidding aside, barbeque is real serious stuff around here. Barbeque means meat, slow cooked over wood coals. All things are argued and debated about. What are the best woods hickory? Pecan? Mesquite? A bit of apple wood thrown in? Rubs and sauces are an endless source of debate. I grew up in the area where the tradition was and is a mustard based sauce - still can't get used to anything else. In my vegetarian years, I used to use the sauce on rice, pasta and veggies of various kinds. Some of the best barbeque was made by a whack-o named Maurice Bessinger. He's dead now, but here is an article about him in his hey-day. It all sounds delicious. I'll check the local supermarkets for some Bessinger mustard sauce for my roast dinner on Sunday. A Confederacy of Sauces http://www.nytimes.com/2001/08/26/magazine/a-confederacy-of-sauces.html http://www.nytimes.com/2001/08/26/magazine/a-confederacy-of-sauces.html A Confederacy of Sauces http://www.nytimes.com/2001/08/26/magazine/a-confederacy-of-sauces.html While I was back home last spring in Charleston, S.C., doing some work with my nephew, we decided to drive over to a barbecue joint one afternoon for some pulled po... View on www.nytimes.com http://www.nytimes.com/2001/08/26/magazine/a-confederacy-of-sauces.html Preview by Yahoo From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I found the thing that knocks the most time off your life is eating barbecued food on a regular basis You boys over there in Scorpion-Land just don't know how to cook real barbeque. Come on over the South Carolina and I'll teach you. Real barbeque don't mean hamburgers and hot dogs, either but I can show you how to do that too, so it goes down real nice and smooth and actually prolongs your life. You could be right MJ. Over here the summer only lasts for a few minutes so generally, the barbie comes out and a few pigs'n'chickens get flash burned and consumed in white rolls with ketchup. The lager makes it all worthwhile apparently. Me and my pals do it a bit differently. Being mostly vegetarians we'll have veggie kebabs or curries in balti pots cooked over an open fire. Sometimes we'll get the telescope out as dusk falls and call it a Starbecue. Infinity and quality nosh. that's living! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : On 04/30/2015 05:16 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... mailto:rick@... wrote : I don’t know whether anyone could fairly and objectively moderate this forum, including myself. Rules can be conceived and written, but enforcing them would require constant monitoring and decision-making. The judgments would necessarily be very subjective. Some offenses would be so egregious as to be clear-cut, but most would be some shade of grey. It would be a thankless full-time job, performed poorly. Most FFL participants would probably not appreciate it, and would vote for a return to the days of no moderation. So I guess FFL will continue to be a bunch of rough stones in a tumbler, gradually and painfully chipping away at one another’s rough edges, and perhaps eventually becoming smooth. Nicely put. I think the only thing , missing here is actual news from Fairfield. Maybe yourself or Buck (I'm hoping Buck) could fill us in on movement activities. I think it would do Buck good to have something to contribute rather than just whining about what everyone else talks about. How is the mental health group coming along? What are the pundits up to? Are new people moving in to replace those who move on? Anything will do. You never know, it might spark a conversation which is what we are sitting here waiting for. Not just movement news. There are a lot of dropouts who still live in Fairfield (many can't afford to live anywhere else). And how about the obituaries? It seems my theory that baby boomers won't live longer than their parents did is true. This regardless of what they do to try to live longer. OTOH, I seem to have outlived the age given by an actuarial test I did in the late 1990s. I wasn't too concerned back then because now seemed a long way off back then. ;-) Ha, good for you for thwarting your demise. According to a questionaire I did on the BBC website I'm virtually immortal and will live into my 90's! I think I might die of boredom long before then. Or maybe of
[FairfieldLife] More on NASA warp drive...
Nasa may have successfully tested a form of space flight that could carry people to the moon in a few short hours — and eventually let us fly at speeds approaching that of light. The agency has built an electromagnetic (EM) drive, using technology that shouldn’t be possible in current understanding of physics, according to users on forum NASASpaceFlight.com. Some of those discussing the plan claim to be Nasa engineers that are currently working on the plan — and have been verified as such, according to Cnet. The device works by propelling objects through space by using magnets to create microwaves, which are then sent through a device to create thrust. If it works, it could overcome the need to carry fuel for propulsion — a huge problem that limits the speed and distance that those journeying in space can travel. Though the technology has been discussed in great length and detail on the forum and elsewhere, it is yet to undergo any peer review and the results of the recent Nasa experiments have not been released publicly. Mysterious Nasa technology could one day let us fly as fast as light http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/nasa-might-have-successfully-tested-a-warp-drive-could-carry-people-at-speeds-as-fast-as-light-10215544.html http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/nasa-might-have-successfully-tested-a-warp-drive-could-carry-people-at-speeds-as-fast-as-light-10215544.html Mysterious Nasa technology could one day let us fly as f... http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/nasa-might-have-successfully-tested-a-warp-drive-could-carry-people-at-speeds-as-fast-as-light-10215544.html Nasa may have successfully tested a form of space flight that could carry people to the moon in a few short hours — and eventually let us fly at speeds a... View on www.independent.co.uk http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/nasa-might-have-successfully-tested-a-warp-drive-could-carry-people-at-speeds-as-fast-as-light-10215544.html Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Faith v Facts
So, can you cite any scientific evidence that climate change is man-made, or that vaccine cause autism; or that eating GMO foods causes harm to your health? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Thanks again for posting thought-provoking material, Salyavin. While the whiners are busy pointing fingers and blaming others for not posting anything of value, you point out how lame they are by...wait for it...simply posting something of value. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 10:33 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Faith v Facts JERUSALEM — MOST of us find it mind-boggling that some people seem willing to ignore the facts — on climate change, on vaccines, on health care — if the facts conflict with their sense of what someone like them believes. “But those are the facts,” you want to say. “It seems weird to deny them.” And yet a broad group of scholars is beginning to demonstrate that religious belief and factual belief are indeed different kinds of mental creatures. People process evidence differently when they think with a factual mind-set rather than with a religious mind-set. Even what they count as evidence is different. And they are motivated differently, based on what they conclude. On what grounds do scholars make such claims? Faith vs. Facts http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/19/opinion/sunday/t-m-luhrmann-faith-vs-facts.html?_r=2 http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/19/opinion/sunday/t-m-luhrmann-faith-vs-facts.html?_r=2 Faith vs. Facts http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/19/opinion/sunday/t-m-luhrmann-faith-vs-facts.html?_r=2 People reason differently when they think about God. View on www.nytimes.com http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/19/opinion/sunday/t-m-luhrmann-faith-vs-facts.html?_r=2 Preview by Yahoo
RE: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL?
James, If my analysis doesn't make sense to you, so be it. If you break it down, Buck makes his predictable posts, which Barry, Xeno, Salyavin and MJ respond to as it it's the first time they've heard it. This constitutes about 40% of FFL. Another 15% is MJ with his tired name calling against all the usual suspects. Another 15% is Barry's movie and TV reviews, latest achievements, and the all important SATURDAY MORNING RANT. The balance is filled out by miscellaneous stuff. Glad you seem to enjoy it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jamesalan735@... wrote : In other words, you don't know who these 'most other observers and you don't know what they think. FWIW, observers, by definition, don't have a posting history. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : numbers dude. they tell the story. then look at your posting history it doesn't really show much interest in the place just sayin' (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jamesalan735@... wrote : Tell me: Who are these most other observers and how do you know what they think? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : ---snip---. To most other observers, it's a boring ass place, made interesting by seeing Barry's pals suck up to him on daily basis. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : So I guess FFL will continue to be a bunch of rough stones in a tumbler, gradually and painfully chipping away at one another’s rough edges, and perhaps eventually becoming smooth. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 4:00 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL? It's a shame that this joint isn't something much better. Sorry, but Rick's hands-off policy is the basis of it. Rick, I'm sure you are UP-TIGHT about whom you'll next interview at BATGAP, but why didn't you have this same zeal for righteousness when it came to shaping the FFL experience? Instead you've let every miscreant throw shit-pies into the faces of some very solid thinkers. A few simple rules could have been applied by a hands-ON policy, and the posters would have learned to be civil enough. Clearly the trolls have sundered the very idea of community. Allowing them to be, well, vicious, is the very heart of the wrongness here. And some of the best people here have been as wickedly abrasive as any of the others. I'm guilty, of course, but WOULD I HAVE BEEN such a shit-heel here if there'd been some discipline laid on all of us? I DON'T THINK SO. So who would be a good moderator that could keep the hate-addicts from puking acid-chime everywhere? And here's the strange part: almost anyone here could easily be the best moderator ever if but the intent and the power were there. Does anyone care about the potential of FFL enough to try to suss out a neo-POV about our agenda here? Aaand, now we wait for Willy to say something which clearly indicates that he thinks I'm a fucking diseased turd saturated with maggots...because HE PROJECTS. If I were a mod, and I don't want to be, but if I were, Willy's unkindness would be punished severely. As would be my above jab at him. But his stupidity and puffed up ego would be welcomed under my rule. His go figure would have him outted from here for a year at least. That would be my standard for troll derisiveness. Let's pretend FFL is a nice place and see how we'd handle this issue of having a Moral and Psychologically Supportive moderator here. Suggestions? I would vote for Judy in heartbeat -- didn't we all get up when she came back -- even though she was still the same old crab? I would even let Jim take over if he but did the policing fairly.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Large Hell Creator?
The guv said that the state will be fining water abusers $10K a day. Of course everyone thought that would be for homes but I think it's for big users. For homes it's $500 a day. Problem is if people don't have money to spare (and many don't) then they come and take your stuff or your house and sell it for the fine. It should be market value as anything lower is just plain robbery. Like I say it's beginning to look like a sci-fi movie here. On 04/30/2015 02:18 PM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : They're learning about earthquake predictions here all the time and it isn't over at some ashram. Try UC Berkeley or UCSF. They're working on early warning systems. Your sister probably likes the Sun for a change snark, snark. But the bigger problem here now is the drought. We got some rain Friday night but it would need to rain through June to make up for things. She was telling me about having to cut back another 25% on water use, she's pissed of because she was being frugal anyway while the people down the road were watering their lawn and a similar percentage drop for them means they can still take baths twice a day. badly thought out scheme but what can you do? She's coming over for a visit next week and yes, it's wet and freezing here... On 04/30/2015 01:01 PM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : However the theory holds water. Here in earthquake land we like to test anything that can give us a chance to know when the big one is going to hit. The Calaveras Fault is just a few miles to the east of me an the Hayward a few to the west. Fun! How confident would you have to be in a prediction to pack up your stuff and head for the hills? Have you ever wanted to get out during a tremor? My sister lives in California and she hates quakes. She lives right on a tributary of the San Andreas fault and I tell her it's a dumb place to live if she's scared of them. The quality of produce from the local vineyards makes up for it apparently. On 04/30/2015 12:14 PM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Berkland was suspended for a couple months for shooting his mouth off. His predictions are not too impressive, given the fact that he often can't say WHERE the quake is going to be. 2009, he predicted a major earthquake sometime between January 9-14. And a 5.3 quake did occur - on the island of Crete. Also the fact that he advertises himself and his predictions on shows like Coast to Coast with Art Bell or George Noory kind of erodes his credibility. *From:* Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, April 30, 2015 3:01 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Large Hell Creator? Former Alameda county geologist Jim Berkland predicted Loma Prieta and got fired for it. He was basing it on the eclipse and tidal theories. The earth can bulge as much as 3 feet during eclipses and high tides. Two decades later Russian researchers concluded the theory was correct but the problem was knowing which fault was going to blow. On 04/30/2015 11:36 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : Morelikely the last eclipse a couple weeks back did some shifting of the tectonic plates in the Himalayas. We see quakes occurring regularly around eclipses and usually a little afterward as the plates settle again. Geophysicists are now trying to figure out a way to find which faults are about to blow. Hmm. If wonder if there's any truth to it? Maybe very high tides do cause a differential in weight applied across a large area that is enough to trigger a quake that was waiting to happen. But if they don't happen every time then it can't really be used to predict them. Maybe a combination of factors like time since last quake, or since nearby volcano that might have released a bit of pressure. Worth a google around I think. On 04/30/2015 10:00 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : There's a danger in thinking that two similarly timed events must be connected. Especially if you don't understand - and therefore might fear - one of them. The trouble here is that if we assume earthquakes are caused by physics experiments connected
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Large Hell Creator?
The California governor can say anything he wants to, but until the CA legislature passes some laws governing ground water use, nothing is going to be resolved. Now this is funny: Texas has laws regulating ground water use, but California does not. California has a ground water *management* problem. You need to throw the bums out of office and elect representatives that will take action, not just talk. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : The guv said that the state will be fining water abusers $10K a day. Of course everyone thought that would be for homes but I think it's for big users. For homes it's $500 a day. Problem is if people don't have money to spare (and many don't) then they come and take your stuff or your house and sell it for the fine. It should be market value as anything lower is just plain robbery. Like I say it's beginning to look like a sci-fi movie here. On 04/30/2015 02:18 PM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : They're learning about earthquake predictions here all the time and it isn't over at some ashram. Try UC Berkeley or UCSF. They're working on early warning systems. Your sister probably likes the Sun for a change snark, snark. But the bigger problem here now is the drought. We got some rain Friday night but it would need to rain through June to make up for things. She was telling me about having to cut back another 25% on water use, she's pissed of because she was being frugal anyway while the people down the road were watering their lawn and a similar percentage drop for them means they can still take baths twice a day. badly thought out scheme but what can you do? She's coming over for a visit next week and yes, it's wet and freezing here... On 04/30/2015 01:01 PM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : However the theory holds water. Here in earthquake land we like to test anything that can give us a chance to know when the big one is going to hit. The Calaveras Fault is just a few miles to the east of me an the Hayward a few to the west. Fun! How confident would you have to be in a prediction to pack up your stuff and head for the hills? Have you ever wanted to get out during a tremor? My sister lives in California and she hates quakes. She lives right on a tributary of the San Andreas fault and I tell her it's a dumb place to live if she's scared of them. The quality of produce from the local vineyards makes up for it apparently. On 04/30/2015 12:14 PM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Berkland was suspended for a couple months for shooting his mouth off. His predictions are not too impressive, given the fact that he often can't say WHERE the quake is going to be. 2009, he predicted a major earthquake sometime between January 9-14. And a 5.3 quake did occur - on the island of Crete. Also the fact that he advertises himself and his predictions on shows like Coast to Coast with Art Bell or George Noory kind of erodes his credibility. From: Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Large Hell Creator? Former Alameda county geologist Jim Berkland predicted Loma Prieta and got fired for it. He was basing it on the eclipse and tidal theories. The earth can bulge as much as 3 feet during eclipses and high tides. Two decades later Russian researchers concluded the theory was correct but the problem was knowing which fault was going to blow. On 04/30/2015 11:36 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : Morelikely the last eclipse a couple weeks back did some shifting of the tectonic plates in the Himalayas. We see quakes occurring regularly around eclipses and usually a little afterward as the plates settle again. Geophysicists are now trying to figure out a way to find which faults are about to blow. Hmm. If wonder if there's any truth to it? Maybe very high tides do cause a differential in weight applied across a large area that is enough to trigger a quake that was waiting to happen. But if they don't happen every time then it can't really be used to predict them. Maybe a combination of factors like time since last quake, or since nearby volcano that might have released a bit of pressure. Worth a google around I think. On 04/30/2015 10:00 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In
[FairfieldLife] Re: Texas Steps Up
A healthy dose of suspicion is warranted, especially with regard to the current Administration. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Abbott Orders Texas Guard to 'Monitor' Planned Military Exercises http://kut.org/post/abbott-orders-texas-guard-monitor-planned-military-exercises#.VT_vdDQq5r4.facebook http://kut.org/post/abbott-orders-texas-guard-monitor-planned-military-exercises#.VT_vdDQq5r4.facebook Abbott Orders Texas Guard to 'Monitor' Planned Military ... http://kut.org/post/abbott-orders-texas-guard-monitor-planned-military-exercises#.VT_vdDQq5r4.facebook Texas Governor Greg Abbott is ordering the Texas State Guard to monitor a two-month long U.S. military exercise scheduled to be held in Bastrop County this View on kut.org http://kut.org/post/abbott-orders-texas-guard-monitor-planned-military-exercises#.VT_vdDQq5r4.facebook Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Faith v Facts
Apparently not. That's probably because there is no scientific evidence that climate change is man-made; that vaccines cause autism; or that eating GMO foods harms health care. These are all just beliefs, not facts and no scholars support such beliefs. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : Can someone please post any scientific evidence that supports man-made climate change, vaccines that cause autism, or on health care that is harmed by eating GMO foods? On what grounds do scientists make such claims? Thanks. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sa...@yahoogroups.com wrote : JERUSALEM — MOST of us find it mind-boggling that some people seem willing to ignore the facts — on climate change, on vaccines, on health care — if the facts conflict with their sense of what someone like them believes. “But those are the facts,” you want to say. “It seems weird to deny them.” And yet a broad group of scholars is beginning to demonstrate that religious belief and factual belief are indeed different kinds of mental creatures. People process evidence differently when they think with a factual mind-set rather than with a religious mind-set. Even what they count as evidence is different. And they are motivated differently, based on what they conclude. On what grounds do scholars make such claims? Faith vs. Facts http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/19/opinion/sunday/t-m-luhrmann-faith-vs-facts.html?_r=2 http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/19/opinion/sunday/t-m-luhrmann-faith-vs-facts.html?_r=2 Faith vs. Facts http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/19/opinion/sunday/t-m-luhrmann-faith-vs-facts.html?_r=2 People reason differently when they think about God. View on www.nytimes.com http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/19/opinion/sunday/t-m-luhrmann-faith-vs-facts.html?_r=2 Preview by Yahoo
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RE: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL?
Salyavin; No, you are presuming things about me. You are postulating this thread is about 'POV' of what people post and possibly you would like to argue that point for point for missing the thrust of this thread. I am fine with diversity of pov and should like to see diversity of pov tolerated and considered more on FFL at Yahoo-groups. However towards that end I am particularly concerned for the welfare of the group by the evident lawlessness exhibited by some of the writers posting here that is clearly against the yahoo-groups guidelines. That is the tread here. Like Yahoo! seeks with its Yahoo-groups guidelines [When people behave responsibly and respectfully the community thrives and everybody wins. .. We depend on each member to help keep it a safe, fun, and positive place for everyone. .. Please help us keep Yahoo Groups an enjoyable and positive experience. If you see a Group or content that violates our rules, please let us know..] , I feel the forum should better thrive for being more in line with the yahoo-groups guideline if these rule breakers who it seems have become endemic on FFL were moderated one way or another. It seems that appealing to their goodwill about this is not enough to protect the list culture. I would like to help change the unkind low culture as it has fallen on FFL over to something more in line with the Yahoo-groups guidelines. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Dear Salyavin, No it is not very likely to happen, unless there is an evident cultural change on FFL towards something that is kinder towards collaborative thinking. Collaborative thinking seems like an odd wish for a discussion group. I wonder if what you really want is control over other people's responses? A problem with what you hope for is that the dominant communal culture of the FFL list is manifestly not trustworthy nearly enough to have considered thoughtful discourse generally. I always indulge in considered thought (OK, nearly always...). I think you just dislike the conclusions occasionally. Trustworthy is an odd desire too, what do you want to trust us to do? The place has been made way too toxic by some few writers in style for there to be substantial material posted here for considered discussion about the community. Toxic? The only toxic people here are the Texan tosser and seventhray as they bring nothing but hate and derision, and no positive contribution whatsoever. At least the rest of us have a laugh and try and get creative with what we post. And I don't think the TM community is as fragile as you imagine. Either the base it's built on is solid or it can get knocked down easily in which case it deserves to fall over and get buried by history but it seems to survive the slings and arrows from the sceptics. Actually, it just ignores them but when you think you are right about everything you don't even have to listen. I think you worry too much about other people's opinions - they can only hurt you if you let them. I have a lot of things that come to my mailbox all the time that are extremely interesting and relevant but it is just not worth the abuse that would come from sharing them on FFL as it is now. I hope that will change, -JaiGuruYou Abuse? Is criticism automatically abuse now? Not for me, criticism is healthy, it's part of how you learn what works and what doesn't. I'm guessing you didn't like my breakdown of the mental health work you guys are doing, that was the last FF TMO thing that got posted here. I thought it was a well considered piece that pointed out a few obvious shortcomings. That's the trouble with discussion groups, you come up against contrary opinions and have to defend your own POV. Having read the homepage, I think it's what we are here for. If your desire was for me was to simply agree with you or hold my tongue then I think you want this place to be something it isn't and never was. All the best... salyavin808 hopes: I think the only thing , missing here is actual news from Fairfield. Maybe yourself or Buck (I'm hoping Buck) could fill us in on movement activities. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : I don’t know whether anyone could fairly and objectively moderate this forum, including myself. Rules can be conceived and written, but enforcing them would require constant monitoring and decision-making. The judgments would necessarily be very subjective. Some offenses would be so egregious as to be clear-cut, but most would be some shade of grey. It would be a thankless full-time job, performed poorly. Most FFL participants would probably not appreciate it, and would vote for a return to the days of no moderation.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Faith v Facts
These are issues that have to do with real-world events and facts, but you seem to have disengaged your brain when you posted your comments. Go figure. Climate change is man made: B - This is an issue that has to do with faith or belief. Vaccines cause autism: B - This is an issue that has to do with faith or belief. GMO foods can harm your health: B - This is an issue that has to do with faith or belief. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : It's an interesting dichotomy. Normally rational people -- some of them even so-called scientists -- seem to have this background process running in their brains that scans every new situation they encounter and shunts it into one of two cubbyholes: A -- This is an issue that has to do with real-world events and facts...engage brain and use it. B -- This is an issue that has to do with faith or belief -- disengage brain because it's not needed. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Thanks again for posting thought-provoking material, Salyavin. While the whiners are busy pointing fingers and blaming others for not posting anything of value, you point out how lame they are by...wait for it...simply posting something of value. I thought it was interesting, especially as real lives depend on a Palestinian state. It popped up on Richard Dawkin's Facebook page last night and I was going to post a back-story but I was busy watching the snooker (no sense of priority me): In 2004 I got a letter printed in the Guardian and it was about Richard Dawkins. He'd just made a spectacularly crass statement about stupid people praying in the aftermath of the Boxing day tsunami. Obviously if God was going to help he would have stopped the thing in the first place but an intellectual appraisal of where to direct their energy isn't what people really needed to hear at that moment in time. My letter was about how Dawkins - who held the chair for the public understanding of science at Oxford University - might be better off working towards a scientific understanding of the public. And here it is. May it help him keep his foot out of his mouth. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 10:33 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Faith v Facts JERUSALEM — MOST of us find it mind-boggling that some people seem willing to ignore the facts — on climate change, on vaccines, on health care — if the facts conflict with their sense of what someone like them believes. “But those are the facts,” you want to say. “It seems weird to deny them.” And yet a broad group of scholars is beginning to demonstrate that religious belief and factual belief are indeed different kinds of mental creatures. People process evidence differently when they think with a factual mind-set rather than with a religious mind-set. Even what they count as evidence is different. And they are motivated differently, based on what they conclude. On what grounds do scholars make such claims? Faith vs. Facts http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/19/opinion/sunday/t-m-luhrmann-faith-vs-facts.html?_r=2 http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/19/opinion/sunday/t-m-luhrmann-faith-vs-facts.html?_r=2 Faith vs. Facts http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/19/opinion/sunday/t-m-luhrmann-faith-vs-facts.html?_r=2 People reason differently when they think about God. View on www.nytimes.com http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/19/opinion/sunday/t-m-luhrmann-faith-vs-facts.html?_r=2 Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Faith v Facts
Re Richard Dawkins [had] just made a spectacularly crass statement about stupid people praying in the aftermath of the Boxing Day tsunami.: Today I was ruminating on this current earthquake in Nepal. Back in the distant past, to find the earth trembling under your feet and creating such destruction must have seemed obviously the responsibility of a powerful god (or demon). Thanks to the accumulated knowledge we today owe to the painstaking application of the scientific method we now know that these events are a consequence of the Indian subcontinent crashing into the Asian land mass (at the rate of 5cm a year!) so we don't need a supernatural explanation. Please let's not feel superior to our ancestors. Their explanation was probably the best hypothesis at the time. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Thanks again for posting thought-provoking material, Salyavin. While the whiners are busy pointing fingers and blaming others for not posting anything of value, you point out how lame they are by...wait for it...simply posting something of value. I thought it was interesting, especially as real lives depend on a Palestinian state. It popped up on Richard Dawkin's Facebook page last night and I was going to post a back-story but I was busy watching the snooker (no sense of priority me): In 2004 I got a letter printed in the Guardian and it was about Richard Dawkins. He'd just made a spectacularly crass statement about stupid people praying in the aftermath of the Boxing day tsunami. Obviously if God was going to help he would have stopped the thing in the first place but an intellectual appraisal of where to direct their energy isn't what people really needed to hear at that moment in time. My letter was about how Dawkins - who held the chair for the public understanding of science at Oxford University - might be better off working towards a scientific understanding of the public. And here it is. May it help him keep his foot out of his mouth. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 10:33 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Faith v Facts JERUSALEM — MOST of us find it mind-boggling that some people seem willing to ignore the facts — on climate change, on vaccines, on health care — if the facts conflict with their sense of what someone like them believes. “But those are the facts,” you want to say. “It seems weird to deny them.” And yet a broad group of scholars is beginning to demonstrate that religious belief and factual belief are indeed different kinds of mental creatures. People process evidence differently when they think with a factual mind-set rather than with a religious mind-set. Even what they count as evidence is different. And they are motivated differently, based on what they conclude. On what grounds do scholars make such claims? Faith vs. Facts http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/19/opinion/sunday/t-m-luhrmann-faith-vs-facts.html?_r=2 http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/19/opinion/sunday/t-m-luhrmann-faith-vs-facts.html?_r=2 Faith vs. Facts http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/19/opinion/sunday/t-m-luhrmann-faith-vs-facts.html?_r=2 People reason differently when they think about God. View on www.nytimes.com http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/19/opinion/sunday/t-m-luhrmann-faith-vs-facts.html?_r=2 Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Faith v Facts
I remember being very angry with Dawkin's comments about the tsunami. I had a look today at your letter to The Guardian and I though you made your point to him very well. I thought it was interesting, especially as real lives depend on a Palestinian state. It popped up on Richard Dawkin's Facebook page last night and I was going to post a back-story but I was busy watching the snooker (no sense of priority me): In 2004 I got a letter printed in the Guardian and it was about Richard Dawkins. He'd just made a spectacularly crass statement about stupid people praying in the aftermath of the Boxing day tsunami. Obviously if God was going to help he would have stopped the thing in the first place but an intellectual appraisal of where to direct their energy isn't what people really needed to hear at that moment in time. My letter was about how Dawkins - who held the chair for the public understanding of science at Oxford University - might be better off working towards a scientific understanding of the public. And here it is. May it help him keep his foot out of his mouth. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 10:33 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Faith v Facts JERUSALEM — MOST of us find it mind-boggling that some people seem willing to ignore the facts — on climate change, on vaccines, on health care — if the facts conflict with their sense of what someone like them believes. “But those are the facts,” you want to say. “It seems weird to deny them.” And yet a broad group of scholars is beginning to demonstrate that religious belief and factual belief are indeed different kinds of mental creatures. People process evidence differently when they think with a factual mind-set rather than with a religious mind-set. Even what they count as evidence is different. And they are motivated differently, based on what they conclude. On what grounds do scholars make such claims? Faith vs. Facts http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/19/opinion/sunday/t-m-luhrmann-faith-vs-facts.html?_r=2 http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/19/opinion/sunday/t-m-luhrmann-faith-vs-facts.html?_r=2 Faith vs. Facts http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/19/opinion/sunday/t-m-luhrmann-faith-vs-facts.html?_r=2 People reason differently when they think about God. View on www.nytimes.com http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/19/opinion/sunday/t-m-luhrmann-faith-vs-facts.html?_r=2 Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
They don't call him a thug for nothing. He acts very thug-like sometimes: prejudiced and biased. Apparently he bases much of his opinion on where a person was born and their class and economic status. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Yes, Richard, pretty revealing comment by Sal. I sometimes wonder what his purpose is on FFL, he doesn't sound very spiritual. Apparently he lived in a TM Center for a decade - that might have something to do with his mind-set. But, he doesn't seem to be a TM Teacher, Checker or Meditation Guide. Go figure. He's a few fries short of a Happy Meal, I'd say. When he gets upset at something someone says, he lashes out with the only debate tactics he knows: get them to shut up by using character assassination. And if that doesn't work, he just ignores you in a discussion except a few drive-by insults and offer support to the other thugs in the gang to start a shunning. Typical gang behavior. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : Isn't that just like a thug or a bully - say something they don't like or don't agree with and they try to get you banned from the group. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sa...@yahoogroups.com wrote : So it's good it's keeping going, my only recommendation would be to set Buck and Willytex and Seventhray free. Was it something I said that upset you? Rick or Alex, If memory serves this arsehole has been barred from posting. Please send him back to wherever he's been dragging out his miserable existence since he last wasted everyone's time here. salyavin808 Fri, 30 Jan 2015 09:23:54 -0800 http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg342009.html http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg342009.html They obviously don't like it here or appreciate anything anybody says but they clearly don't have the wherewithal to just unsubscribe and go somewhere else to absorb something they do find pleasant. In fact two of them do the opposite of what every spiritual teacher ever recommends and spend there entire time here negatively slagging off everyone else! Talk about not getting it. If they were forcibly unsubscribed they would be a lot happier, after a day or so's whining. Buck seems unhappy and just wants this place to be like Jim's site so why doesn't he just go there? It's not complicated. j_alexander_stanley@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Buck, I ran into Rick at Everybody's last week, and I asked him, Is it time to just shut FFL down? He kinda shrugged it off and said he glances at it once a week to make sure it's not completely out of control. And, lately, aside from the ridiculous, hyper-egoic shitstorm in reaction to Judy's brief return, the group is pretty calm. Bitch all you want, but with Rick and I hardly giving a shit what goes on, nothing is going to change. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : Isn't that just like a thug or a bully - say something they don't like or don't agree with and they try to get you banned from the group. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sa...@yahoogroups.com wrote : So it's good it's keeping going, my only recommendation would be to set Buck and Willytex and Seventhray free. Was it something I said that upset you? Rick or Alex, If memory serves this arsehole has been barred from posting. Please send him back to wherever he's been dragging out his miserable existence since he last wasted everyone's time here. salyavin808 Fri, 30 Jan 2015 09:23:54 -0800 http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg342009.html http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg342009.html They obviously don't like it here or appreciate anything anybody says but they clearly don't have the wherewithal to just unsubscribe and go somewhere else to absorb something they do find pleasant. In fact two of them do the opposite of what every spiritual teacher ever recommends and spend there entire time here negatively slagging off everyone else! Talk about not getting it. If they were forcibly unsubscribed they would be a lot happier, after a day or so's whining. Buck seems unhappy and just wants this place to be like Jim's site so why doesn't he just go there? It's not complicated. j_alexander_stanley@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Buck, I ran into Rick at Everybody's last week, and I asked him, Is it time to just shut FFL down? He kinda shrugged it off and said he glances at it once a week to make sure it's not completely out of control. And, lately, aside from the ridiculous, hyper-egoic shitstorm in reaction to Judy's brief return, the group is pretty calm. Bitch all you want, but with Rick and I hardly giving a shit what goes on, nothing is going to change. He's a few fries short of a Happy
Re: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL?
Ha ha! Maurice's kids run his operation now that he's dead. His older brother Melvin has a couple restaurants in Charleston, SC. Melvin's sauce is superior to Maurice's. There are two other Bessingers operating their outfits in the lower part of the state, but I have never tried theirs. Melvin's original sauce is excellent or it used to be - been a while since I had it. Dunno if they ship overseas. Barbeque Sauce Rubs | | | | | | | | | Barbeque Sauce RubsBarbecue Sauce, BBQ, Rubs | | | | View on www.melvinsbbq.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : All kidding aside, barbeque is real serious stuff around here. Barbeque means meat, slow cooked over wood coals. All things are argued and debated about. What are the best woods hickory? Pecan? Mesquite? A bit of apple wood thrown in? Rubs and sauces are an endless source of debate. I grew up in the area where the tradition was and is a mustard based sauce - still can't get used to anything else. In my vegetarian years, I used to use the sauce on rice, pasta and veggies of various kinds. Some of the best barbeque was made by a whack-o named Maurice Bessinger. He's dead now, but here is an article about him in his hey-day. It all sounds delicious. I'll check the local supermarkets for some Bessinger mustard sauce for my roast dinner on Sunday. A Confederacy of Sauces | | | | | | | | | | | A Confederacy of SaucesWhile I was back home last spring in Charleston, S.C., doing some work with my nephew, we decided to drive over to a barbecue joint one afternoon for some pulled po... | | | | View on www.nytimes.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I found the thing that knocks the most time off your life is eating barbecued food on a regular basis You boys over there in Scorpion-Land just don't know how to cook real barbeque. Come on over the South Carolina and I'll teach you. Real barbeque don't mean hamburgers and hot dogs, either but I can show you how to do that too, so it goes down real nice and smooth and actually prolongs your life. You could be right MJ. Over here the summer only lasts for a few minutes so generally, the barbie comes out and a few pigs'n'chickens get flash burned and consumed in white rolls with ketchup. The lager makes it all worthwhile apparently. Me and my pals do it a bit differently. Being mostly vegetarians we'll have veggie kebabs or curries in balti pots cooked over an open fire. Sometimes we'll get the telescope out as dusk falls and call it a Starbecue. Infinity and quality nosh. that's living! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : On 04/30/2015 05:16 AM, salyavin808wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@...wrote : I don’t knowwhether anyone could fairly and objectivelymoderate this forum, including myself. Rules canbe conceived and written, but enforcing them wouldrequire constant monitoring and decision-making.The judgments would necessarily be verysubjective. Some offenses would be so egregious asto be clear-cut, but most would be some shade ofgrey. It would be a thankless full-time job,performed poorly. Most FFL participants wouldprobably not appreciate it, and would vote for areturn to the days of no moderation. So I guess FFLwill continue to be a bunch of rough stones in atumbler, gradually and painfully chipping away atone another’s rough edges, and perhaps eventuallybecoming smooth. Nicelyput. I think the only thing , missing here isactual news from Fairfield. Maybe yourself or Buck(I'm hoping Buck) could fill us in on movementactivities. I think it would do Buck good to havesomething to contribute rather than just whiningabout what everyone else talks about. How is themental health group coming along? What are thepundits up to? Are new people moving in to replacethose who move on? Anything will do. You neverknow, it might spark a conversation which is whatwe are sitting here waiting for. Not just movement news. There are a lot of dropouts who still livein Fairfield (many can't afford to live anywhere else). And howabout the obituaries? It seems my theory that baby boomers won'tlive longer than their parents did is true. This regardless of whatthey do to try to live longer. OTOH, I seem to have outlived theage given by
Re: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL?
What's rather amusing, is that in a matter of ten minutes Edg you could start a new site, and install yourself as moderator, or recruit someone else. I think you could pull it off. Of course you do have the reputation of showing a lot of bluster, without much follow up. And of course, Barry and his cronies could also start a site as well. And with the incessant complaining by Barry, you wonder why he hasn't taken that step. But we know what would be the outcome, and it was highlighted by Judy just a couple days ago. Barry has no credibility with anyone, with the possible exception of MJ and the lurking reporter. Xeno dares not cross him, although I don't think he necessarily cares for him, and Salyavin appears to have as lonely a life as Barry, so he is a klingon of sorts. And anyone who has not totally bought into his agenda will not be able to stomach his regular misrepresentations, straw arguments, and outright meanness, which has become his hallmark. What a test that would be for what he has to offer. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Question 1: do you read and post on other forums or groups? Maybe a dozen -- there's assholes in all of them, so, yeah, there's that, but here, given the long history of consistent negativity that some folks have manifested here, we can pretty much know who's being a jerkwad pure and simple. Question 2: if so, do you notice a trend towards abrasiveness in posts on those? Not so much, but I'm not trying to see it with any scientific method. Question 3: if so, do you find FFL any better or worse? I find FFL worse because the folks here I know well enough to judge. At reddit or youtube or whatever you can find posters just being as outrageous as possible, but they are easily dismissed by me, because I don't know them. Here, after seeing year after year of the same troll tactics being allowed without a moderator slapping some wrists, well, hell, what kind of result could there be other than that these assholes are allowed to butcher our civility? When I know the person's mind as one that is intent on creating disharmony instead of clarity -- where am I helping by being around such a sick fuck? -- but here we're supposed to suck it?-- because why? -- we're supposed to be some sort of good Samaritans who are above responding to these fucking bugs, these insectoids? Shit on that. Rick, disinfect this house. FFL is worth saving if it can be a safer place for minds to share. Safer means that silence is the worse possible criticism about another poster's contributions. Willy should get to say Willy shit, but Willy shouldn't be allowed to target virtually everyone with derision, smarm, and poisonous innuendo. He's sick, and everyone knows it, and we are supposed to just look the other way when he's peppering the lists with efforts that seek to enrage by any manner? Pure troll. Aaand, the good news is that most of us have allowed ourselves the right to resort to ad hominems, so no need to drag the past posts into this: everyone gets to start with a clear record. Let's see who tries to insult someone first. Starting NOW! On 04/29/2015 01:59 PM, Duveyoung wrote: It's a shame that this joint isn't something much better. Sorry, but Rick's hands-off policy is the basis of it. Rick, I'm sure you are UP-TIGHT about whom you'll next interview at BATGAP, but why didn't you have this same zeal for righteousness when it came to shaping the FFL experience? Instead you've let every miscreant throw shit-pies into the faces of some very solid thinkers. A few simple rules could have been applied by a hands-ON policy, and the posters would have learned to be civil enough. Clearly the trolls have sundered the very idea of community. Allowing them to be, well, vicious, is the very heart of the wrongness here. And some of the best people here have been as wickedly abrasive as any of the others. I'm guilty, of course, but WOULD I HAVE BEEN such a shit-heel here if there'd been some discipline laid on all of us? I DON'T THINK SO. So who would be a good moderator that could keep the hate-addicts from puking acid-chime everywhere? And here's the strange part: almost anyone here could easily be the best moderator ever if but the intent and the power were there. Does anyone care about the potential of FFL enough to try to suss out a neo-POV about our agenda here? Aaand, now we wait for Willy to say something which clearly indicates that he thinks I'm a fucking diseased turd saturated with maggots...because HE PROJECTS. If I were a mod, and I don't want to be, but if I were, Willy's unkindness would be punished severely. As would be my above jab at him. But his stupidity and puffed up ego would be welcomed under my
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
It takes skills and practice to see discussion as thinking but it takes allies of kindness to think together creatively. For the engagement within a group [FFL] to be effective there need be folks and a moderation willing and able to stand up to bullies who would destroy forum, to have a thinking forum.Truth evidently won't 'set us free' until we have the courage, skills and habit and moral courage to kindly explore it. There evidently are few allies of civil discourse on FFL and Rick Archer in moderation is seldom here to evenly protect civil discourse. Kind thoughtful discussion is up to the folks left here to seize if it can be had at all. Kind discourse has been 'thrown to the dogs' on FFL to tear up by a lack of moderation let alone any self-control.The bullies have run most wild here unchecked because nice people were not protected and thoughtful folks often inside are afraid of embroiling mean conflict upon themselves enough to invest in it, ..in provoking the bullying..“For the record, I apologize for nothing. Rien. Nada. Nichevo. Bupkus. I meant everything I've ever said here, and stand by it fully.”In thinking together, people often may fail in process of creative thought out of fears to extend themselves individually in to the collective, for fear of engaging with evidently untrustworthy folks. Engagement that may provoke unfriendly embroilment which potentially might be brought on to themselves by stepping forward in conversation. 'Thinking as process' takes skills and practice to see dissonances as thinking and get good at it, to get beyond ego and not let it get out of control. Too many of the writers in character writing here derail creative thinking on FFL by their default to the assault of the personal invective instead of just commenting on a substance of the material brought. That abusive character has been really unfortunate for the larger FFL community.The challenge of FFL as a forum community is to find constructive ways of engaging with people. That takes kindness, tolerance and patience as skillsets and practice to be able to think together and be creative, to look at and solve problems together. FFL is a long ways from that by a grip of vice of some folks who dominate FFL.Collaborating in 'Disconfirmation': seeking different ways of looking at models, of 'thinking' in constructive conflict.Thoughtful conversation seems a willing kind collaborative, a kind cooperative 'process in disconfirmation'. By contrast a trust in kindness as element has been driven out of Fairfieldlife at Yahoo-groups by a dominant methodical use of personal invective in the ad hominem used as weapon to personally hurt people here.Collaboration in a type of, Love? In kindness to a creative process?Quite evidently thoughtful conversation takes a civil kind collaboration in self-control to have productive conversation. Some have done their poisonous work here with the communal well-spring.Collaboration? Could many folks dare at all to publicly disagree here on FFL anymore given the lack of self-restraint in the culture that remains on FFL? What is mostly missing now from the dominant FFL writing is a kindness to process, a love enough of collaboration that seems necessary enough for there to be creative thinking between people. Instead what we have is a culture of rudeness that has long interrupted the communal thinking here and driven people away.The cultural place that was FFL seems to have been poisoned. The place evidently has died for lack of a willing collaboration as an oxygen that could include other points of view other than some caustic character of dominant internet haters and personalities in method. The cost to FairfieldLife at Yahoo-groups has been the loss of a forum for communal thinking.A pervasive unkindness in ad hominem-istic snark parading as 'intellectual retort', it's the dominant 'culture' here at FFL now, as the evident lack in thoughtful community culture here. Folks otherwise have come instead to fear to spend their time thinking here reading let alone posting here. It is a sad commentary on how it has gone down for FFL. Many of the writers left here have in many ways become the people they revile, bullies like they see Bevan or others in the movement community.Salon, saloon or shalom; who would enter in to a place met with the likes of, “You Suck..” or “Fuck you” as first text lines or “You lying Fuck” as a subject heading? MJ, there was a long period of a poisonous malignancy here in the postings between a few people who came on before you came along and added to it in your way. FFL is just not a safe place for well-meaning people to loiter or join in hence most folks wandered out. Meditators and people around Fairfield here always go 'whew-phew' and roll their eyes about the reputation of FFL as a place for thoughtful dialogue whence FFL gets mentioned. FFL got wrecked a while ago as a community place that way.
Re: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL?
I never know if Willy Wonko or Steve the Willy Clone ever post unless someone
mentions them.I route all their posts to the trash automatically - it works
very well,
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 8:16 AM
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote :
I don’t know whether anyone could fairly and objectively moderate this forum,
including myself. Rules can be conceived and written, but enforcing them would
require constant monitoring and decision-making. The judgments would
necessarily be very subjective. Some offenses would be so egregious as to be
clear-cut, but most would be some shade of grey. It would be a thankless
full-time job, performed poorly. Most FFL participants would probably not
appreciate it, and would vote for a return to the days of no moderation. So I
guess FFL will continue to be a bunch of rough stones in a tumbler, gradually
and painfully chipping away at one another’s rough edges, and perhaps
eventually becoming smooth.
Nicely put. I think the only thing , missing here is actual news from
Fairfield. Maybe yourself or Buck (I'm hoping Buck) could fill us in on
movement activities. I think it would do Buck good to have something to
contribute rather than just whining about what everyone else talks about.
How is the mental health group coming along? What are the pundits up to? Are
new people moving in to replace those who move on? Anything will do. You never
know, it might spark a conversation which is what we are sitting here waiting
for.
Willy and Seventhray need to be set free though. There isn't any way anything
they write now could be seen to be constructive. They contribute nothing except
entropy. I admire your optimism if you think they'll change but it's been a
long time and a waste of life for the pair of them.
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Duveyoung
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 4:00 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL? It's a shame that this
joint isn't something much better. Sorry, but Rick's hands-off policy is the
basis of it. Rick, I'm sure you are UP-TIGHT about whom you'll next
interview at BATGAP, but why didn't you have this same zeal for righteousness
when it came to shaping the FFL experience? Instead you've let every miscreant
throw shit-pies into the faces of some very solid thinkers. A few simple rules
could have been applied by a hands-ON policy, and the posters would have
learned to be civil enough.
Clearly the trolls have sundered the very idea of community. Allowing them to
be, well, vicious, is the very heart of the wrongness here.
And some of the best people here have been as wickedly abrasive as any of the
others.
I'm guilty, of course, but WOULD I HAVE BEEN such a shit-heel here if there'd
been some discipline laid on all of us? I DON'T THINK SO.
So who would be a good moderator that could keep the hate-addicts from puking
acid-chime everywhere?
And here's the strange part: almost anyone here could easily be the best
moderator ever if but the intent and the power were there. Does anyone care
about the potential of FFL enough to try to suss out a neo-POV about our agenda
here?
Aaand, now we wait for Willy to say something which clearly
indicates that he thinks I'm a fucking diseased turd saturated with
maggots...because HE PROJECTS.
If I were a mod, and I don't want to be, but if I were, Willy's unkindness
would be punished severely. As would be my above jab at him. But his stupidity
and puffed up ego would be welcomed under my rule. His go figure would have
him outted from here for a year at least. That would be my standard for troll
derisiveness.
Let's pretend FFL is a nice place and see how we'd handle this issue of having
a Moral and Psychologically Supportive moderator here.
Suggestions? I would vote for Judy in heartbeat -- didn't we all get up when
she came back -- even though she was still the same old crab?
I would even let Jim take over if he but did the policing fairly.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The amazing interconnectedness of all things
A functionality, or organ used for one purpose, is diverted for another purpose is called 'teleological shift'. For instance, the floating bladder in primitive fish became lungs in land animals. Evolution is full of teleological shifts. Even sex which is basicaly used for procreation in most animals, is also used as a bonding mechanism in some animals. Oxytocin, whose original functions is to stimulate contractions of the uterus during labour, to stimulate the ejection of milk during lactation, also became a bonding hormone. --- salyavin808@... wrote : Researchers have discovered that a protein which controls anxiety in humans has the same molecular ancestor as one which causes insects to moult when they outgrow their skins. Studies on sea urchins provided the missing link because they have a protein with elements common to those in both humans and insects and reveal a common ancestry hundreds of millions of years ago. Proteins that control anxiety in humans and cause insects to shed their skins have common origin http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/04/150421205546.htm http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/04/150421205546.htm Proteins that control anxiety in humans and cause insect... http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/04/150421205546.htm Researchers have discovered that a protein which controls anxiety in humans has the same molecular ancestor as one which causes insects to molt when the... View on www.sciencedaily.com http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/04/150421205546.htm Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: This is what Muslims do and then claim Isamophobia.
Muslims are encouraged by their clerics to cheat, lie and harm, the people of other religions and other communities. Muslim women encourage their muslim men, to rape the women of other religions and other communities. Any form of supremacist ideology, simply does not fit into a modern egalitarian democracy. --- emptybill@... wrote : Why the World Ignores the Islamist Armenian Genocide by Ben Shapiro http://www.breitbart.com/author/ben-shapiro/24 Apr 2015 Friday marked the 100th anniversary of the Armenian Genocide, and President Obama, despite his prior promises to recognize the Armenian Genocide, failed to do so for the seventh straight year. The same week http://www.aa.com.tr/en/turkey/496476--erdogan-obama-to-open-turkish-mosque-in-us-turkish-fm, the Turkish government announced that Obama would join the Turkish government, led by Islamist President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, in opening the Turkish-American Culture and Civilization Center in Maryland. Mevlut Cavusoglu, visiting Washington in advance of the commemoration of the Genocide, said, “During a phone call, President Erdogan asked President Obama to accompany him in opening the center together and President Obama accepted his offer in principle.” Cavusoglu then talked about the dangers of Islamophobia. This is a remarkable slap in the face to Armenians, marking the centennial of the Genocide by radical Muslims against Christians. That is the untold story of the Genocide, a story conveniently ignored by the media and forgotten by world governments similarly ignoring atrocities by Muslims against Christians the world over. To understand the Armenian Genocide, one must first understand the history of Turkey, which for centuries was a Christian country; its capital, now named Istanbul by Muslims, was originally named Constantinople after Emperor Constantine and was the most powerful Christian city in on the planet for several centuries. In 1453, the city was conquered by Muslims and became Istanbul and the capital of the Ottoman Empire. Armenia remained Christian, however. As the Ottoman Empire crumbled, despite the fact that other territories gained their independence, Armenia did not. In 1876, Sultan Abdul Hamid II took over dictatorship of the Empire. By 1878, he had signed away Romania, Serbia, and Montenegro; the Balkans were essentially freed of the Ottomans; he lost Egypt and Sudan to the British. By the 1890s, Armenians began demanding reforms. In response, the Sultan gave free reign to Kurdish groups to begin targeting Armenians, and when Armenians responded, the Sultan unleashed the Muslim military against the Armenians. Some 300,000 Armenians were killed. In 1908, under pressure from reformers known as the Young Turks, the Sultan gave up power. But the movement for liberalism lasted only a few years before three Islamist leaders of the Young Turks seized power for themselves, then joined World War I on the side of the Germans. The Three Pashas, as they became known, decided to reconstitute the Empire, freeing it of Christian influence. In precursors to the Genocide, as the Young Turks took power, Islamists began massacring Christian Armenians. At the time, The New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/ref/timestopics/topics_armeniangenocide.html reported that the Turks had endorsed a “policy of extermination directed against the Christians of Asia Minor.” Once World War I broke out, the government began openly targeting Armenian Christians under the pretense that they would side with the Russian Christians to the north. As the Times states: The Young Turks, who called themselves the Committee of Unity and Progress, launched a set of measures against the Armenians, including a law authorizing the military and government to deport anyone they “sensed” was a security threat. A later law allowed the confiscation of abandoned Armenian property. Armenians were ordered to turn in any weapons that they owned to the authorities. Those in the army were disarmed and transferred into labor battalions where they were either killed or worked to death. Those policies of disarmament then led to wholescale slaughter, as Turkish troops drove Armenians into the desert to starve – over one million of them, by reports. Children were thrown into rivers to drown; in Trabzond, the US consul, Ascar Heizer, reported: Nearly 3,000 children were installed in empty houses, of which there were many…This plan did not suit Nail Bey, and in about ten days he advertised that any Mahommedan, who wanted to take girls or boys, could apply to these homes and a great many children were taken. He himself chose ten of the best-looking girls and kept them in a house for his own pleasure, and the amusement of his friends. Many of the children were loaded into boats and taken out to sea and thrown overboard. I myself saw where 16 were washed ashore. Villages were burned with residents
Re: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Aaand, the good news is that most of us have allowed ourselves the right to resort to ad hominems, so no need to drag the past posts into this: everyone gets to start with a clear record. Let's see who tries to insult someone first. Starting NOW! Good point. The thing that those who are bitching about all the negativity have never understood (Ya listening, Buck and feste and others?) is that ALL THAT BITCHING IS NEGATIVITY. What I'd like to see is someone who is jumping on this We gotta have a moderator silliness to actually defend Judy's recent drive-by as non-negative. From my perspective, what happened was that she got her ego-balloon punctured by Aryavaszhi pointing out how few dues she's actually paid within the organization she shills for, and roared into town to call him a liar. But she couldn't rest with hurling that pisspot full of negativity, so she had to take a few gratuitous swipes at Salyavin and Barry, too. And finally, she went out of her way to point out how little she thinks of EVERYONE here. Not only does she have no interest in the people she calls thugs other than using them as excuses to spread her own negativity, she basically told everyone ELSE at Fairfield Life to fuck off and die, too. Remember the Don't bother to email me because you're not important enough to respond to and You're just not smart enough to figure out why I left stuff? Her drive-by was almost PURE negativity. If FFL actually had the real moderator some are calling for, her recent posts would have been the first ones banned. Just sayin'... :-) She left me feeling sad. Not the being insulted for no reason but the fact that, with all she must have going on, all she had to say was the same old I'm right and you're not and she wasn't. So she would be a bad choice as moderator, except to the people who side with her prejudices of course, which undermines the very concept of moderation. And anyone from our number could have that accusation levelled at them. The Guardian newspaper has a worthwhile moderation system, they have an army of anonymous people who delete posts they think don't come up to the community standards, but you can be left scratching your head about why a well written and cogent post disappears in seconds. A few of us might have had posts deleted but not as many as some would hope. Contrary opinions are OK but denigrating people who can't defend themselves and libellous remarks are deleted straight away. Bad language is tolerated as long as it's a relevant expression of emotion. Insulting people for things beyond their control (race, sexual orientation etc) is also not permitted. Insulting people just for having a contrary opinion is also not permitted but justifying your own position gets you a pass for a lot of expression of anger. It depends on what is being talked about, a news story or another poster. What would they make of our trolls? Willytex and Seventhray would have had their accounts deleted by now for their complete lack of creativity. To exist only to drag others down is a pointless waste of everyone's time. People would report them to the moderators and they would get a warning and then off. I got a load of posts deleted once because I copied the same reply to six different people just to save me time! We should all have a go on the Guardian site and look at what you can get away with and why and then consider our posts here in a similar light. How much of your posts would have disappeared in a heartbeat with that sort of unbiased scrutiny? I read an interview with a legendary internet troll who turned out to be a lonely 14 year old boy living on a remote Scottish island. He is banned from the internet until he has finished university and says it's the best thing that ever happened to him as he has actually got out and met people. It's telling that I offer the same freedom and chance to grow to our trolls and all I get is the pretence of misunderstanding and more abuse in return! This is why I find the idea of a moderator on a site supposedly inhabited by people who have been on a spiritual path for decades as a bit of a sad joke and I usually encourage trolls to hang around as a warning to others about how little you can learn on your journey through life. There's treasure everywhere! From: Duveyoung no_reply@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 1:22 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Question 1: do you read and post on other forums or groups? Maybe a dozen -- there's assholes in all of them, so, yeah, there's that, but here, given the long history of consistent negativity that some folks have manifested here, we can pretty much know who's being
Re: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL?
How much of your posts would have disappeared in a heartbeat with that sort of unbiased scrutiny? Correction: Ours not yours. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Aaand, the good news is that most of us have allowed ourselves the right to resort to ad hominems, so no need to drag the past posts into this: everyone gets to start with a clear record. Let's see who tries to insult someone first. Starting NOW! Good point. The thing that those who are bitching about all the negativity have never understood (Ya listening, Buck and feste and others?) is that ALL THAT BITCHING IS NEGATIVITY. What I'd like to see is someone who is jumping on this We gotta have a moderator silliness to actually defend Judy's recent drive-by as non-negative. From my perspective, what happened was that she got her ego-balloon punctured by Aryavaszhi pointing out how few dues she's actually paid within the organization she shills for, and roared into town to call him a liar. But she couldn't rest with hurling that pisspot full of negativity, so she had to take a few gratuitous swipes at Salyavin and Barry, too. And finally, she went out of her way to point out how little she thinks of EVERYONE here. Not only does she have no interest in the people she calls thugs other than using them as excuses to spread her own negativity, she basically told everyone ELSE at Fairfield Life to fuck off and die, too. Remember the Don't bother to email me because you're not important enough to respond to and You're just not smart enough to figure out why I left stuff? Her drive-by was almost PURE negativity. If FFL actually had the real moderator some are calling for, her recent posts would have been the first ones banned. Just sayin'... :-) She left me feeling sad. Not the being insulted for no reason but the fact that, with all she must have going on, all she had to say was the same old I'm right and you're not and she wasn't. So she would be a bad choice as moderator, except to the people who side with her prejudices of course, which undermines the very concept of moderation. And anyone from our number could have that accusation levelled at them. The Guardian newspaper has a worthwhile moderation system, they have an army of anonymous people who delete posts they think don't come up to the community standards, but you can be left scratching your head about why a well written and cogent post disappears in seconds. A few of us might have had posts deleted but not as many as some would hope. Contrary opinions are OK but denigrating people who can't defend themselves and libellous remarks are deleted straight away. Bad language is tolerated as long as it's a relevant expression of emotion. Insulting people for things beyond their control (race, sexual orientation etc) is also not permitted. Insulting people just for having a contrary opinion is also not permitted but justifying your own position gets you a pass for a lot of expression of anger. It depends on what is being talked about, a news story or another poster. What would they make of our trolls? Willytex and Seventhray would have had their accounts deleted by now for their complete lack of creativity. To exist only to drag others down is a pointless waste of everyone's time. People would report them to the moderators and they would get a warning and then off. I got a load of posts deleted once because I copied the same reply to six different people just to save me time! We should all have a go on the Guardian site and look at what you can get away with and why and then consider our posts here in a similar light. How much of your posts would have disappeared in a heartbeat with that sort of unbiased scrutiny? I read an interview with a legendary internet troll who turned out to be a lonely 14 year old boy living on a remote Scottish island. He is banned from the internet until he has finished university and says it's the best thing that ever happened to him as he has actually got out and met people. It's telling that I offer the same freedom and chance to grow to our trolls and all I get is the pretence of misunderstanding and more abuse in return! This is why I find the idea of a moderator on a site supposedly inhabited by people who have been on a spiritual path for decades as a bit of a sad joke and I usually encourage trolls to hang around as a warning to others about how little you can learn on your journey through life. There's treasure everywhere! From: Duveyoung no_reply@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 1:22 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Question 1: do you read and post on other forums or groups?
RE: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL?
Tell me: Who are these most other observers and how do you know what they think? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : ---snip---. To most other observers, it's a boring ass place, made interesting by seeing Barry's pals suck up to him on daily basis. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : So I guess FFL will continue to be a bunch of rough stones in a tumbler, gradually and painfully chipping away at one another’s rough edges, and perhaps eventually becoming smooth. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 4:00 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL? It's a shame that this joint isn't something much better. Sorry, but Rick's hands-off policy is the basis of it. Rick, I'm sure you are UP-TIGHT about whom you'll next interview at BATGAP, but why didn't you have this same zeal for righteousness when it came to shaping the FFL experience? Instead you've let every miscreant throw shit-pies into the faces of some very solid thinkers. A few simple rules could have been applied by a hands-ON policy, and the posters would have learned to be civil enough. Clearly the trolls have sundered the very idea of community. Allowing them to be, well, vicious, is the very heart of the wrongness here. And some of the best people here have been as wickedly abrasive as any of the others. I'm guilty, of course, but WOULD I HAVE BEEN such a shit-heel here if there'd been some discipline laid on all of us? I DON'T THINK SO. So who would be a good moderator that could keep the hate-addicts from puking acid-chime everywhere? And here's the strange part: almost anyone here could easily be the best moderator ever if but the intent and the power were there. Does anyone care about the potential of FFL enough to try to suss out a neo-POV about our agenda here? Aaand, now we wait for Willy to say something which clearly indicates that he thinks I'm a fucking diseased turd saturated with maggots...because HE PROJECTS. If I were a mod, and I don't want to be, but if I were, Willy's unkindness would be punished severely. As would be my above jab at him. But his stupidity and puffed up ego would be welcomed under my rule. His go figure would have him outted from here for a year at least. That would be my standard for troll derisiveness. Let's pretend FFL is a nice place and see how we'd handle this issue of having a Moral and Psychologically Supportive moderator here. Suggestions? I would vote for Judy in heartbeat -- didn't we all get up when she came back -- even though she was still the same old crab? I would even let Jim take over if he but did the policing fairly.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Large Hell Creator?
CERN Out of Balance in Tempting Nature Causes Nepali quakes.. Below is the video that documents the energy spikes at the time of the earthquake. The Nepal Earthquake Caused by Shiva's Trident Out of CERN http://www.dailycrow.com/5-facts-about-shiva-the-destroyer-cern-and-the-nepal-earthquake/ http://www.dailycrow.com/5-facts-about-shiva-the-destroyer-cern-and-the-nepal-earthquake/ The Nepal Earthquake Caused by Shiva's Trident O... http://www.dailycrow.com/5-facts-about-shiva-the-destroyer-cern-and-the-nepal-earthquake/ CERN recently charged up their particle collider and at the exact moment energy spikes occurred in Switzerland the earthquake in Nepal took place. There is... View on www.dailycrow.com http://www.dailycrow.com/5-facts-about-shiva-the-destroyer-cern-and-the-nepal-earthquake/ Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : “an opening in the spacetime fabric” Another skeptic of the project is none other than respected physicist Stephen Hawking who has recently warned the end of the world could be sparked by the elusive ‘God particle’ ..scientists at the Large Hadron Collider next week are hoping to experiment with a possible connection with a parallel universe outside of our own. Pope Francis adds: “My fellow Christians, we are living in desperate times” he told the crowd.“Science is about to test the limits of God and his creation. God has created boundaries between the world of the living and the world of the dead. Are these scientists about to unleash upon us the Gates of Hell?” he asked his followers, visibly shaken. Last October, over 400 top physicists signed a petition warning that the Higgs potential might become unstable at energies above 100bn giga-electron-volts (GeV) and asking governments to keep experiments under these levels. Yes, just say “no” to energies above 100bn giga-electron-volts (GeV) for now, without adequate safeguard for our world in place. Yes, Scientists should not be allowed to fool around out in the World with Mother Nature without adequate spiritual oversight. -Buck, an ever evolving old and practicing conservative transcendentalist meditator in the spiritual community of meditating Fairfield, Iowa. .. There is more to the world than what we see or think.. .. jr_esq writes: My first reaction is that the Pope appears to be an ignoramus when it comes to scientific research. But it doesn't hurt to be concerned about significant experiments that may have negative consequences. The reference to opening the gates of hell may have been used as hyperbole to catch media attention. salyavin808 writes: It might surprise some people but anyone who wants to do a major physics experiment like the LHC, first has to apply for permission to the countries involved and provide a breakdown of costs, expectations and dangers. The worst case scenario with the LHC is that it might catch fire and damage any buildings nearby. This is why it's underground and it has a major fire safety system that floods the entire thing with foam if anything goes wrong. As for black holes destroying the Earth, the LHC doesn't create any more energy than cosmic rays do when they strike the upper atmosphere, it's just rather difficult to study those due to not knowing where they are going to happen next so they do it in laboratory conditions underground instead. The bottom line is, they wouldn't be allowed to do something that might destroy the Earth. But maybe the pope is right and there is some level beyond which god doesn't want us to know. cardemaister writes---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hepa7@... : Pope Francis Warns Large Hadron Collider Could 'Open Gates of Hell' http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/pope-francis-warns-large-hadron-collider-could-open-gates-of-hell/ http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/pope-francis-warns-large-hadron-collider-could-open-gates-of-hell/ Pope Francis Warns Large Hadron Collider Could 'Open... http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/pope-francis-warns-large-hadron-collider-could-open-gates-of-hell/ Pope Francis pleaded the scientific community to halt operations on the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) this morning in an official Vatican release as scientists at t... View on worldnewsdailyreport... http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/pope-francis-warns-large-hadron-collider-could-open-gates-of-hell/ Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Happiness is easy, smell a flower, go for a walk somewhere you've never been, meditate under a tree and let the birdsong be your mantra. Try a different restaurant and engage the staff in conversation. Talk to someone on the train, I met a nice girl on a train heading out of London last week, she insisted I take her number. This is the perfect season for a picnic in the park or a stroll round an art gallery, the finest first date. Phone a friend you haven't spoken to for ages. Do some volunteer work, the elderly love being remembered. Smile even if you don't feel like it. Go to a library and visit a section you never usually do and pick a book by someone you've never heard of, read it and see the world from an angle you never knew existed. The world aint so bad, spend your days making people happy rather than dragging them down all the time with petty whining complaints. Feel the sun on your face and the wind in your hair. You'll find you get back what you give. So don't be a drag. It takes skills and practice to see discussion as thinking but it takes allies of kindness to think together creatively. For the engagement within a group [FFL] to be effective there need be folks and a moderation willing and able to stand up to bullies who would destroy forum, to have a thinking forum.Truth evidently won't 'set us free' until we have the courage, skills and habit and moral courage to kindly explore it. There evidently are few allies of civil discourse on FFL and Rick Archer in moderation is seldom here to evenly protect civil discourse. Kind thoughtful discussion is up to the folks left here to seize if it can be had at all. Kind discourse has been 'thrown to the dogs' on FFL to tear up by a lack of moderation let alone any self-control.The bullies have run most wild here unchecked because nice people were not protected and thoughtful folks often inside are afraid of embroiling mean conflict upon themselves enough to invest in it, ..in provoking the bullying..“For the record, I apologize for nothing. Rien. Nada. Nichevo. Bupkus. I meant everything I've ever said here, and stand by it fully.”In thinking together, people often may fail in process of creative thought out of fears to extend themselves individually in to the collective, for fear of engaging with evidently untrustworthy folks. Engagement that may provoke unfriendly embroilment which potentially might be brought on to themselves by stepping forward in conversation. 'Thinking as process' takes skills and practice to see dissonances as thinking and get good at it, to get beyond ego and not let it get out of control. Too many of the writers in character writing here derail creative thinking on FFL by their default to the assault of the personal invective instead of just commenting on a substance of the material brought. That abusive character has been really unfortunate for the larger FFL community.The challenge of FFL as a forum community is to find constructive ways of engaging with people. That takes kindness, tolerance and patience as skillsets and practice to be able to think together and be creative, to look at and solve problems together. FFL is a long ways from that by a grip of vice of some folks who dominate FFL.Collaborating in 'Disconfirmation': seeking different ways of looking at models, of 'thinking' in constructive conflict.Thoughtful conversation seems a willing kind collaborative, a kind cooperative 'process in disconfirmation'. By contrast a trust in kindness as element has been driven out of Fairfieldlife at Yahoo-groups by a dominant methodical use of personal invective in the ad hominem used as weapon to personally hurt people here.Collaboration in a type of, Love? In kindness to a creative process?Quite evidently thoughtful conversation takes a civil kind collaboration in self-control to have productive conversation. Some have done their poisonous work here with the communal well-spring.Collaboration? Could many folks dare at all to publicly disagree here on FFL anymore given the lack of self-restraint in the culture that remains on FFL? What is mostly missing now from the dominant FFL writing is a kindness to process, a love enough of collaboration that seems necessary enough for there to be creative thinking between people. Instead what we have is a culture of rudeness that has long interrupted the communal thinking here and driven people away.The cultural place that was FFL seems to have been poisoned. The place evidently has died for lack of a willing collaboration as an oxygen that could include other points of view other than some caustic character of dominant internet haters and personalities in method. The cost to FairfieldLife at Yahoo-groups has been the loss of a forum for communal thinking.A pervasive unkindness in ad hominem-istic snark parading as 'intellectual retort', it's the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
What happened to your Enter key, Buck? You look very uneducated writing walls of text. Show you have brains. Otherwise no one pro or con are going to read your posts. On 04/30/2015 08:58 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: It takes skills and practice to see discussion as thinking but it takes allies of kindness to think together creatively. For the engagement within a group [FFL] to be effective there need be folks and a moderation willing and able to stand up to bullies who would destroy forum, to have a thinking forum.Truth evidently won't 'set us free' until we have the courage, skills and habit and moral courage to kindly explore it. There evidently are few allies of civil discourse on FFL and Rick Archer in moderation is seldom here to evenly protect civil discourse. Kind thoughtful discussion is up to the folks left here to seize if it can be had at all. Kind discourse has been 'thrown to the dogs' on FFL to tear up by a lack of moderation let alone any self-control.The bullies have run most wild here unchecked because nice people were not protected and thoughtful folks often inside are afraid of embroiling mean conflict upon themselves enough to invest in it, ..in provoking the bullying..“/*For the record, I apologize for nothing. Rien. Nada. Nichevo. Bupkus. I meant everything I've ever said here, and stand by it fully.”*/In thinking together, people often may fail in process of creative thought out of fears to extend themselves individually in to the collective, for fear of engaging with evidently untrustworthy folks. Engagement that may provoke unfriendly embroilment which potentially might be brought on to themselves by stepping forward in conversation. 'Thinking as process' takes skills and practice to see dissonances as thinking and get good at it, to get beyond ego and not let it get out of control. Too many of the writers in character writing here derail creative thinking on FFL by their default to the assault of the personal invective instead of just commenting on a substance of the material brought. That abusive character has been really unfortunate for the larger FFL community.The challenge of FFL as a forum community is to find constructive ways of engaging with people. That takes kindness, tolerance and patience as skillsets and practice to be able to think together and be creative, to look at and solve problems together. FFL is a long ways from that by a grip of vice of some folks who dominate FFL.Collaborating in 'Disconfirmation': seeking different ways of looking at models, of 'thinking' in constructive conflict.Thoughtful conversation seems a willing kind collaborative, a kind cooperative 'process in disconfirmation'. By contrast a trust in kindness as element has been driven out of Fairfieldlife at Yahoo-groups by a dominant methodical use of personal invective in the ad hominem used as weapon to personally hurt people here.Collaboration in a type of, Love? In kindness to a creative process?Quite evidently thoughtful conversation takes a civil kind collaboration in self-control to have productive conversation. Some have done their poisonous work here with the communal well-spring.Collaboration? Could many folks dare at all to publicly disagree here on FFL anymore given the lack of self-restraint in the culture that remains on FFL? What is mostly missing now from the dominant FFL writing is a kindness to process, a love enough of collaboration that seems necessary enough for there to be creative thinking between people. Instead what we have is a culture of rudeness that has long interrupted the communal thinking here and driven people away.The cultural place that was FFL seems to have been poisoned. The place evidently has died for lack of a willing collaboration as an oxygen that could include other points of view other than some caustic character of dominant internet haters and personalities in method. The cost to FairfieldLife at Yahoo-groups has been the loss of a forum for communal thinking.A pervasive unkindness in ad hominem-istic snark parading as 'intellectual retort', it's the dominant 'culture' here at FFL now, as the evident lack in thoughtful community culture here. Folks otherwise have come instead to fear to spend their time thinking here reading let alone posting here. It is a sad commentary on how it has gone down for FFL. Many of the writers left here have in many ways become the people they revile, bullies like they see Bevan or others in the movement community.Salon, saloon or shalom; who would enter in to a place met with the likes of, “You Suck..” or “Fuck you” as first text lines or “You lying Fuck” as a subject heading? MJ, there was a long period of a
