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From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bhairitu Sent: Thursday, January 2, 2014 12:14 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Holding back I've always compared FFL to the General Topics of forums. This seemed to Rick's intent. It's a place for folks of a similar background to discuss anything. There are already plenty of spiritual experience groups though they may well be moderated by folks who will boot anyone who gets a little to pesky with attacking the messenger than focusing on the message. Partly this is due to the fact that I don’t have time to moderate it. But I think this anything goes approach has proven valuable. Despite all the bickering and pettiness, FFL has been much more lively and interesting than it would have been if some moderator had tried to contain it within his personal comfort zone. On 01/02/2014 08:55 AM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com mailto:doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote: Happy New Year, Ann! Yep, I like the little shops. Regarding truth and accuracy on FFL, that ship sailed a long time ago. What started out as more of an earnest place to discuss spiritual experiences, has devolved into simply a chat room, where anyone can say anything, about anything, and anyone. So if Judy wants to keep upholding the truth on here, that is her choice, but I am with Steve on this one. This place just isn't worth the effort anymore, regarding its original intent, though I do enjoy chatting here, from time to time. I am also a huge proponent of actions speaking louder than words, and I am very active. :-)
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It makes for an interesting psych lab or mouse maze. ;-) On 01/05/2014 09:29 AM, Rick Archer wrote: *From:*FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Bhairitu *Sent:* Thursday, January 2, 2014 12:14 PM *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Holding back I've always compared FFL to the General Topics of forums. This seemed to Rick's intent. It's a place for folks of a similar background to discuss anything. There are already plenty of spiritual experience groups though they may well be moderated by folks who will boot anyone who gets a little to pesky with attacking the messenger than focusing on the message. Partly this is due to the fact that I don’t have time to moderate it. But I think this anything goes approach has proven valuable. Despite all the bickering and pettiness, FFL has been much more lively and interesting than it would have been if some moderator had tried to contain it within his personal comfort zone. On 01/02/2014 08:55 AM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com mailto:doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote: Happy New Year, Ann! Yep, I like the little shops. Regarding truth and accuracy on FFL, that ship sailed a long time ago. What started out as more of an earnest place to discuss spiritual experiences, has devolved into simply a chat room, where anyone can say anything, about anything, and anyone. So if Judy wants to keep upholding the truth on here, that is her choice, but I am with Steve on this one. This place just isn't worth the effort anymore, regarding its original intent, though I do enjoy chatting here, from time to time. I am also a huge proponent of actions speaking louder than words, and I am very active. :-)
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I can't recall ever having claimed to know the truth about a matter of belief. This is just Barry making shit up, a problem we've had with him ever since he joined FFL. And that's a fact. So if Judy wants to keep upholding the truth on here, that is her choice... And her particular hubris. The very *idea* of her -- or anyone -- claiming to know the truth is ludicrous. It's just *more* ludicrous coming from her, that's all. :-)
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Hey, Buck - Thank you for your kind words! Yes, I haven't changed all that much, though far less confused, and far more successful, these days. :-) I don't mind about FFL - there are so many opportunities for spiritual growth in the world. I am spending less and less time on-line, anyway, as I have a book to write, and lots of adventures in my space-ship/land yacht ahead of me. BATGAP has generated some interesting dialogues recently, though, and is a useful resource, imo.
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Delightful as always, Ann, and a hilarious take on Lazy-Boy! I *actually* AM as happy and self-sufficient, as I appear to be! What a concept! I was actually forced into it, by life's circumstances - lol - in a nutshell--born *blue* (actually nearly black, from oxygen starvation, but since that is generally not survivable, I was considered a *blue* baby), not a great relationship with mom, and changing countries every three or so years, as a kid. Very much a sink or swim scenario, and I am an excellent swimmer, having earned my (non-stop) mile-swim merit badge in the Boy Scouts, when I was 12 years old. All or nothing seems to be my thing, and so far, so good!
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Though I am not holding my breath, Richard, one of these days, I hope you post something *real*, genuine, and authentic. Just once. :-)
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Delightful as always, Ann, and a hilarious take on Lazy-Boy! I *actually* AM as happy and self-sufficient, as I appear to be! What a concept! I was actually forced into it, by life's circumstances - lol - in a nutshell--born *blue* (actually nearly black, from oxygen starvation, but since that is generally not survivable, I was considered a *blue* baby), not a great relationship with mom, and changing countries every three or so years, as a kid. Very much a sink or swim scenario, and I am an excellent swimmer, having earned my (non-stop) mile-swim merit badge in the Boy Scouts, when I was 12 years old. All or nothing seems to be my thing, and so far, so good! In many ways we seem similar, especially in the ways that count. Get over it, get on with it and prosper. That is how I like to make it work if I can. Your voice here I find to be a breath of fresh air and look at your fans coming out of the woodwork because of Ricky's troll-like statement. It's true - good things can be the result of dickish behaviour! Keep on keepin' on, brother.
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Though I am not holding my breath, Richard, one of these days, I hope you post something *real*, genuine, and authentic. Just once. :-) Is it something I said? On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 8:25 AM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Though I am not holding my breath, Richard, one of these days, I hope you post something *real*, genuine, and authentic. Just once. :-)
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On 1/3/2014 8:30 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: Your voice here I find to be a breath of fresh air and look at your fans coming out of the woodwork because of Ricky's troll-like statement. Is it something I said? - Bob Price
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Not yet! :-)
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My dad was a force of nature - exceptionally kind and gentle, always up for a party, and exploring the ends of the earth. I'll never equal his accomplishments, but I am having a great time, trying to!
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: My dad was a force of nature - exceptionally kind and gentle, always up for a party, and exploring the ends of the earth. I'll never equal his accomplishments, but I am having a great time, trying to! Good for you. My father was a force of nature also. His accomplishments were many and significant. He is an inspiration to me also but perhaps his greatest gift to me was imparting a kind of strength and refusal to ever be classed as a second class citizen for reasons of gender. He knew how to fight and he knew how to surrender. Watching him eventually die and witnessing the manner in which he conducted himself throughout all of that was maybe one of the most inspirational and empowering things I have witnessed. There is a perfect way to die and he discovered it.
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My wife's birthday is about three weeks away, and her cousin's is on Christmas EVE - total rip-off on the presents. I should probably hit the sales, soon. Glad to hear you bought some art, too. Always a worthwhile purchase. Happy New Year!
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I've just been reading through them, and I think he is a really funny guy. I agree if you think being (profoundly) intellectually insecure is humorous. Thanks Bob - I've been wondering what the hell his driver is.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I've just been reading through them, and I think he is a really funny guy. I agree if you think being (profoundly) intellectually insecure is humorous. Thanks Bob - I've been wondering what the hell his driver is. Hey Doc, Happy New Year. Yes, hit the sales for your wife. Although shopping can be a nightmare stick to the nice little independent stores that you can walk to. That is my advice for an enjoyable way to pick things that are more individual and unique. As far as Ricky is concerned I think he has a few drivers none of which we'll ever really know. But it is interesting that Steve thinks it is Judy who is guilty of Parsing something into idiocy She already clearly said she is engaging in this thread about Mary and the risen Christ to illustrate how Richard conducts himself here. But, I don't want to get you involved it was just an observation! Keep composing and doing all the wonderful things you appear to do - in 2014. And do stick around.You are one of my bright spots here.
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The reality of my skiing is that I'm not as good as I once was, but I'm as good once, as I ever was, and because of that I have more time to spend doing other things. That translates into two days out of five skiing. So, the wife and I decided to spend a day walking around Aspen and visiting some of the art galleries as we've always wanted to do, sans kids. And really, some of the stuff is priced so high, that you don't really want to go in, unless it looks really interesting, or you feel they might have something you could afford to buy. It so happens that the first gallery we went into had some nice pieces. Of course the pricing was still a little too high, although we had a budget of around $2,000.00, so we weren't just only browsing. The asking price on the three pieces we wanted was around $3,500.00. We eventually settled on $2,450.00, and feel we really enhanced our little place out there.
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Happy New Year, Ann! Yep, I like the little shops. Regarding truth and accuracy on FFL, that ship sailed a long time ago. What started out as more of an earnest place to discuss spiritual experiences, has devolved into simply a chat room, where anyone can say anything, about anything, and anyone. So if Judy wants to keep upholding the truth on here, that is her choice, but I am with Steve on this one. This place just isn't worth the effort anymore, regarding its original intent, though I do enjoy chatting here, from time to time. I am also a huge proponent of actions speaking louder than words, and I am very active. :-)
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Happy New Year, Ann! Yep, I like the little shops. Regarding truth and accuracy on FFL, that ship sailed a long time ago. What started out as more of an earnest place to discuss spiritual experiences, has devolved into simply a chat room, where anyone can say anything, about anything, and anyone. So if Judy wants to keep upholding the truth on here, that is her choice, but I am with Steve on this one. This place just isn't worth the effort anymore, regarding its original intent, though I do enjoy chatting here, from time to time. I am also a huge proponent of actions speaking louder than words, and I am very active. :-) Yes, you seem to live a very full and happy life with your music, your interests, your family and your retirement allowing you freedom in terms of time and, presumably, resources. I think this place can be extremely tedious and it can be frustrating but whatever one wants to call it, it certainly is an interesting insight into human nature. It is not necessarily the most optimistically bright look at the human condition but there are the more insightful and humorous glimpses and that is what keeps me hanging around.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote: Hey Bob, Giving things are good, hard look is good. Parsing something into idiocy, or for the purposes of trying to win an argument is bad. I think it works something like that. Have you ever had a kitten, where any little playful movement elicits a full pounce response. That's kinda what I'm talking about with Judy. Where any little point, or disagreement becomes the grounds for an argument, if she feels like arguing, which usually seems to be the case. And since you and Judy have asked for examples of her missing irony, it happened (particularly) in a post I made about Robin some time ago. My post was so outlandish that I was shocked anyone could have taken it seriously. But take it seriously she did, and I was then too embarrassed (for her) to point it out. Fortunately most everyone else got, and when it came up later in a discussion, I was quite relieved that the misconception could be finally cleared up. Since then there have been several other instances. But if you think I'm making it up, just disregard the comment as some kind of fabrication on my part. And sorry again for my misspellings. I was anxious to get out the door. The wife's birthday is on the fourth. Naturally she's felt cheated all her life by having her birthday so close to Christmas. But it sure made it easy finding something nice today at 50% off. Hi Steve, Thanks for responding although your first sentence might be a bit too haiku for my talents. I enjoy our exchanges, but it's back to the coal mines for me; forgive me if my responses are slow, its not for lack of interest in your views. What I see on FFL are a bunch of fried old boomer misogynists (Barry, Richard, Xeno), starting arguments with Judy that they can't finish; Judy then puts them out of their misery by making them stand in the corner for an afternoon, where they obsessively contemplate their blunders - telling themselves that: next time it will be different, only to find themselves back in the corner cooling there heels the next time they start an argument with her; its like watching Bjorn Borg dispatch Bobby Riggs in the movie Ground Hog Day. Why wouldn't Judy parse to win an argument someone else started with her, we all do that; have you not *analyzed and responded minutely* in this exchange? I believe it's standard practice for communicating on new media, and, IMO, a hell of a lot more suitable for chat rooms than Richard's incontinent polemics (at least some of Barry's and Shares mindless dribble would work on Twitter). It's interesting you pick something as dangerous and cute as a kitten as an analogy for Judy's aggression, I wonder if that doesn't point to a grudging respect that you'd be more open about if you're weren't *all in* in your defence of Share. Happy birthday to your wife - I would go with Ann's advice and stick to the small stores. All the best for your business in 2014 - hope you ride the year of the horse to the fulfillment of all your dreams.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I've just been reading through them, and I think he is a really funny guy. I agree if you think being (profoundly) intellectually insecure is humorous. Thanks Bob - I've been wondering what the hell his driver is. Like Barry's lifestyle, Richard compulsively beats a drum most of us put away in our youth. When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 1 Corinthians 13:11 (Does that sound like Lex Luthor to you?) Happy birthday to your wife Dr., I would follow Ann's advice and stick with the small stores: Support Small Business!
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass wrote: ... Regarding truth and accuracy on FFL, that ship sailed a long time ago. That ship never left the dock. :-) What started out as more of an earnest place to discuss spiritual experiences, has devolved into simply a chat room, where anyone can say anything, about anything, and anyone. That's what it always was. Neither concept of truth or accuracy was ever in evidence here, and for good reason. Neither has anything to do with spiritual experience, which is by definition subjective. There can never be any truth with regard to something that only one person experiences, *other than he or she claims -- rightfully or wrongfully -- to having experienced it*, and as for accuracy, well that has depended pretty much since the beginning of spiritual discussion on how good or bad a storyteller the person claiming the experience is. The good ones can be *fairly* accurate while still holding their audiences' attention, but the bad ones *make shit up*. It's been like this since the beginning of time; ALL scriptures or holy writings in human history are just storytelling, and most of them IMO fall into the bad storytelling category, meaning that they're largely made up to appeal to an audience that wouldn't be content with a simply accurate retelling of a subjective experience. Get over it. So if Judy wants to keep upholding the truth on here, that is her choice... And her particular hubris. The very *idea* of her -- or anyone -- claiming to know the truth is ludicrous. It's just *more* ludicrous coming from her, that's all. :-) ...but I am with Steve on this one. This place just isn't worth the effort anymore, regarding its original intent, though I do enjoy chatting here, from time to time. Why are you looking for more? Chatting is what equals do. Truth telling is what people who claim to be UNEQUAL, and SUPERIOR, and the knowers of truth do to the people they look down on. Historically, Jim, you've always been one of the latter. It would be more pleasant if you chose mainly to chat from now on, but I for one am not going to hold my breath. :-)
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I've always compared FFL to the General Topics of forums. This seemed to Rick's intent. It's a place for folks of a similar background to discuss anything. There are already plenty of spiritual experience groups though they may well be moderated by folks who will boot anyone who gets a little to pesky with attacking the messenger than focusing on the message. On 01/02/2014 08:55 AM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote: Happy New Year, Ann! Yep, I like the little shops. Regarding truth and accuracy on FFL, that ship sailed a long time ago. What started out as more of an earnest place to discuss spiritual experiences, has devolved into simply a chat room, where anyone can say anything, about anything, and anyone. So if Judy wants to keep upholding the truth on here, that is her choice, but I am with Steve on this one. This place just isn't worth the effort anymore, regarding its original intent, though I do enjoy chatting here, from time to time. I am also a huge proponent of actions speaking louder than words, and I am very active. :-)
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass wrote: ... Regarding truth and accuracy on FFL, that ship sailed a long time ago. That ship never left the dock. :-) What started out as more of an earnest place to discuss spiritual experiences, has devolved into simply a chat room, where anyone can say anything, about anything, and anyone. That's what it always was. Neither concept of truth or accuracy was ever in evidence here, and for good reason. Neither has anything to do with spiritual experience, which is by definition subjective. There can never be any truth with regard to something that only one person experiences, *other than he or she claims -- rightfully or wrongfully -- to having experienced it*, and as for accuracy, well that has depended pretty much since the beginning of spiritual discussion on how good or bad a storyteller the person claiming the experience is. The good ones can be *fairly* accurate while still holding their audiences' attention, but the bad ones *make shit up*. It's been like this since the beginning of time; ALL scriptures or holy writings in human history are just storytelling, and most of them IMO fall into the bad storytelling category, meaning that they're largely made up to appeal to an audience that wouldn't be content with a simply accurate retelling of a subjective experience. Get over it. So if Judy wants to keep upholding the truth on here, that is her choice... And her particular hubris. The very *idea* of her -- or anyone -- claiming to know the truth is ludicrous. It's just *more* ludicrous coming from her, that's all. :-) ...but I am with Steve on this one. This place just isn't worth the effort anymore, regarding its original intent, though I do enjoy chatting here, from time to time. Why are you looking for more? Chatting is what equals do. Truth telling is what people who claim to be UNEQUAL, and SUPERIOR, and the knowers of truth do to the people they look down on. Historically, Jim, you've always been one of the latter. It would be more pleasant if you chose mainly to chat from now on, but I for one am not going to hold my breath. :-) If you can't tell the difference between rules of evidence in a court of law and the speculations of religious dogma, you might consider starting a thread of your own; you could go with the subject line: Travels with the voice in my head, why every thought I have is an idea.
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Thanks Bob, I enjoyed your comments. And yes, I can't seem to make a post without some major typographical or spelling error. Sounds like a possible New Year's Resolution. (-: I like that image of the old boomers, standing in the corner etc., although I don't think I agree with it. Grudging respect for Judy? Sure. I like Judy and her smugness to some extent. Ok, I'm not sure how well it work in a long term relationship, but hell, only a few of us seemed paired up anyway. (-: Back to the coal mines? I'm feeling a little giddy right now. Almost got through my first day back. No major problems. Some decent business, and the hockey game tonight. Not bad. Even found a day's work for my 20 yr. old son who's going back to Colo tonight with a College group of friends. Yes, Colorado that is, after the first of the year. Oh God!
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote: Thanks Bob, I enjoyed your comments. And yes, I can't seem to make a post without some major typographical or spelling error. Sounds like a possible New Year's Resolution. (-: I like that image of the old boomers, standing in the corner etc., although I don't think I agree with it. Grudging respect for Judy? Sure. I like Judy and her smugness to some extent. Ok, I'm not sure how well it work in a long term relationship, but hell, only a few of us seemed paired up anyway. (-: Back to the coal mines? I'm feeling a little giddy right now. Almost got through my first day back. No major problems. Some decent business, and the hockey game tonight. Not bad. Even found a day's work for my 20 yr. old son who's going back to Colo tonight with a College group of friends. Yes, Colorado that is, after the first of the year. Oh God! Thanks Steve, In reference to my return to the coal mines, the year has started off nicely. Someone told me the year of the horse will be a good for Hermes*; that being the case, I figure, among others, it will be good for you, Ann, and me. * He is protector and patron of travelers, herdsmen, thieves, orators and wit, literature and poets, athletics and sports, invention and trade! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermes All the best.
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The prequel: Look, I make poo-poo!
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Doc, before you leave entirely like so many others before you I just wanted to acknowledge your Presence here. I have always appreciated your illumined conversation here very much and I will miss you very much in the mix up here. I've never even really cared what they said about you much because of the way you carry your enlightenment. While this place could certainly be so much more spiritually, the place is really not what it set out to be now and I appreciate your decision to vacate it. I notice you are very present over on Batgap.com and I will eventually follow you there. I will miss you here in the meantime. Have you found any other spiritual planets like the original FairfieldLife had set out to be on the internet? It is a shame Rick and the FFL moderators let it slide so bad the way it has. It does not seem that even the Yahoo-guidelines against unkindness as a form of absentee landlord can not even salvage the place. I do feel it was just bad upbringing on the part of some few entering the saloon who wrecked the place so bad. Bon Voyage. Send postcards when you can. I knew you back in Missouri days and liked you even then, -Buck back in the Dome
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: The prequel: Look, I make poo-poo! But did you notice Bawwy reads your posts? I can't imagine why, you are no more a fan of him than Judy or I am. Or maybe he's just telling little fibs about that. Personally, I believe he has a huge crush on me, secretly wishes he could be as meticulous as Judy, could write just as brilliantly as bOb and appear as happy and self-sufficient as you seem to be.
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* Doc, before you leave entirely like so many others before you * * I just wanted to acknowledge your Presence here.* ** *Judy and Ann did a good job getting rid of Doc - it took a few years, but they really worked atit. Maybe he would stick around if they would just post something that was interesting to read instead of all the petty ankle-biting. It looks like they bored him with all their snark. Who is next to be driven off? Go figure.* On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 8:50 PM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: *Doc, before you leave entirely like so many others before you I just wanted to acknowledge your Presence here. I have always appreciated your illumined conversation here very much and I will miss you very much in the mix up here. I've never even really cared what they said about you much because of the way you carry your enlightenment. While this place could certainly be so much more spiritually, the place is really not what it set out to be now and I appreciate your decision to vacate it. I notice you are very present over on Batgap.com and I will eventually follow you there. I will miss you here in the meantime. Have you found any other spiritual planets like the original FairfieldLife had set out to be on the internet? It is a shame Rick and the FFL moderators let it slide so bad the way it has. It does not seem that even the Yahoo-guidelines against unkindness as a form of absentee landlord can not even salvage the place. I do feel it was just bad upbringing on the part of some few entering the saloon who wrecked the place so bad. Bon Voyage. Send postcards when you can. I knew you back in Missouri days and liked you even then, * *-Buck back in the Dome*
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Hey Bob, Thanks for reply. I've just been catching up on some posts. You know what I think part of the problem might be, is that for me, it is just a chat room, and so I enjoy it on that basis. Now Judy doesn't like that term. For her it something more formal. Now, nobody likes, or abides lies. Okay, that's a given. But how in the hell, can someone find so many lies in what other people post, day after day, month after month, year after year Something wrong there I think. And do you think, that, just maybe, many or most of those lies may just be differences of opinion? Talk about a week blanket! And I can't tell you how many times Judy has missed irony in other's postings! Bob, hate to the one to break the news to you, but that says something about a person's state of mind. Now, evidently you enjoy the kind of rigor she brings to the place. And I think she is a smart lady, and finds many inconsistencies. But can there ever be too much of a good thing. I think there can be. Also Bob, please excuse my misuse of the work onset to describe Richard's posts. I've just been reading through them, and I think he is a really funny guy. And another confession, I've had a few off forum discussions with Share, and I think she is a awesome lady. Just a few thoughts Bob. I think you get the gist of it. I reeling a little right now. The wife just told me how much the vacation cost. We found an art gallery that had just opened in Aspen. And they were anxious to make a sale,and we needed to replace some artwork over the two beds. Luckily that expense will be shared by three. But still, sort of reality check going on now. Happy first day of the new year!
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Steve, Happy New Year to you and the whole family! I'm so grateful for your even tempered and profound voice on FFL. And thank you too for the personal compliment. As for the vacation costs, may they be quickly compensated for by great business in the coming months. Safe travels and all the best always. Share aka Sharon (-: On Wednesday, January 1, 2014 10:55 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey Bob, Thanks for reply. I've just been catching up on some posts. You know what I think part of the problem might be, is that for me, it is just a chat room, and so I enjoy it on that basis. Now Judy doesn't like that term. For her it something more formal. Now, nobody likes, or abides lies. Okay, that's a given. But how in the hell, can someone find so many lies in what other people post, day after day, month after month, year after year Something wrong there I think. And do you think, that, just maybe, many or most of those lies may just be differences of opinion? Talk about a week blanket! And I can't tell you how many times Judy has missed irony in other's postings! Bob, hate to the one to break the news to you, but that says something about a person's state of mind. Now, evidently you enjoy the kind of rigor she brings to the place. And I think she is a smart lady, and finds many inconsistencies. But can there ever be too much of a good thing. I think there can be. Also Bob, please excuse my misuse of the work onset to describe Richard's posts. I've just been reading through them, and I think he is a really funny guy. And another confession, I've had a few off forum discussions with Share, and I think she is aawesome lady. Just a few thoughts Bob. I think you get the gist of it. I reeling a little right now. The wife just told me how much the vacation cost. We found an art gallery that had just opened in Aspen. And they were anxious to make a sale,and we needed to replace some artwork over the two beds. Luckily that expense will be shared by three. But still, sort of reality check going on now. Happy first day of the new year!
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You know what I think part of the problem might be, is that for me, it is just a chat room, and so I enjoy it on that basis. Now Judy doesn't like that term. For her it something more formal. Not really. It's a different format. And forums, as opposed to chat rooms, usually have archives. So inaccuracies, intentional or otherwise, are more or less engraved in stone unless they're corrected. Now, nobody likes, or abides lies. Okay, that's a given. Again, unfortunately, not really. Folks here have abided Barry's lies for years. But how in the hell, can someone find so many lies in what other people post, day after day, month after month, year after year It's really only a few people who do this, but they do it consistently over time. That can mount up to a large number of lies by frequent posters. Something wrong there I think. And do you think, that, just maybe, many or most of those lies may just be differences of opinion? With regard to what I characterize as lies, no, they aren't just differences of opinion. That's Barry's perennial charge, but it's a dishonest one. Talk about a week blanket! A what?? And I can't tell you how many times Judy has missed irony in other's postings! Steve is somehow never able to cite examples when he makes one of these charges. Bob, hate to the one to break the news to you, but that says something about a person's state of mind. If true, that is. I've just been reading through them, and I think he is a really funny guy. And another confession, I've had a few off forum discussions with Share, and I think she is a awesome lady. I agree on this last, although probably for different reasons than you.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Share being awesome: Steve, Happy New Year to you and the whole family! I'm so grateful for your even tempered and profound voice on FFL. And thank you too for the personal compliment. As for the vacation costs, may they be quickly compensated for by great business in the coming months. Safe travels and all the best always. Share aka Sharon (-: On Wednesday, January 1, 2014 10:55 AM, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Hey Bob, Thanks for reply. I've just been catching up on some posts. Steve being profound: You know what I think part of the problem might be, is that for me, it is just a chat room, and so I enjoy it on that basis. From Share's posts I'm getting the hang of what it takes to be awesome, but I'm not as confident about what it takes to be profound (on just a chat room) - can you help me out? Now Judy doesn't like that term. For her it something more formal. Now, nobody likes, or abides lies. Okay, that's a given. But how in the hell, can someone find so many lies in what other people post, day after day, month after month, year after year Have I got this right, they can't be lying because they do it so often; how bout they can't be lying cause they're so bad at it? Something wrong there I think. I wonder what it could be? And do you think, that, just maybe, many or most of those lies may just be differences of opinion? If you were taking the position that liars are often opinionated, I would not disagree, but it does not necessarily follow that just because Curtis told us he was only expressing his POV, that he was lying; despite the fact he was so awesome at times. Talk about a week blanket! Could you unpack this one for me? And I can't tell you how many times Judy has missed irony in other's postings! Can you cite an example or two, or is this just an opinion? If you can cite an example, I would ask that it not be Richard's claim that after Mary Magdalene saw him in the sky, Jesus flew down to Damascus like Superman, and knocked Saul off his horse; because, frankly, I think Richard is dead serious. Don't get me wrong, I'm willing to give Richard a pass on moving Damascus (if we allowed Barry to move Montmartre to the left bank, I figure we can let Richard move Damascus to the Hajaz - unless in Texas they've started to claim they're going to mosey on down when they take a trip to New York), its just this whole St. Paul as Lex Luther thing that has me a bit worried. Bob, hate to the one to break the news to you, but that says something about a person's state of mind. I agree, honesty speaks volumes about a person's state of mind, and their character too. Now, evidently you enjoy the kind of rigor she brings to the place. And I think she is a smart lady, and finds many inconsistencies. But can there ever be too much of a good thing. I think there can be. This is something new to me, and I promise to give it some serious thought; assuming I have it right, and that you're saying that honesty has its place, but, like crack, it can be abused and too much of a good thing? Also Bob, please excuse my misuse of the work onset to describe Richard's posts. How about onslaught, does that work better? I've just been reading through them, and I think he is a really funny guy. I agree if you think being (profoundly) intellectually insecure is humorous. And another confession, I've had a few off forum discussions with Share, I'm guessing Share keeps in touch off forum with all of her usherettes; I imagined this exchange between her and Barry: Share: Barry, how are you? Barry: STFU Share: You're such a tease. Barry: What don't you understand about STFU? Share: I think you're awesome Barry: That's the most profound thing you've ever said, now STFU. and I think she is a awesome lady. Is profoundly awesome the same as awesomely profound? Just a few thoughts Bob. I think you get the gist of it. I think I do; Judy is obsessed with fairness and Share is awesome? I reeling a little right now. The wife just told me how much the vacation cost. We found an art gallery that had just opened in Aspen. And they were anxious to make a sale,and we needed to replace some artwork over the two beds. Luckily that expense will be shared by three. But still, sort of reality check going on now. I sympathize, although I'm sure the art is beautiful. Happy first day of the new year! Happy New Year to you too! And Steve, I love you man, but if someone, whose motives are suspect - hands you a shovel - it's generally considered not a good idea to take it and start digging; that might not be just a hand he has behind his back.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Holding back
Hey, Bob (she said, still giggling), I'm still not done with Part Deux; had various interruptions the past couple of days. I just now started to watch the Welles interview and discovered it was 2-3/4 hours long. I think I'm going to bypass it for now and go on to the rest of your post. Hopefully I'll have the response finished tonight, but I hate to guarantee that after having missed my other ETAs. Share being awesome: Steve, Happy New Year to you and the whole family! I'm so grateful for your even tempered and profound voice on FFL. And thank you too for the personal compliment. As for the vacation costs, may they be quickly compensated for by great business in the coming months. Safe travels and all the best always. Share aka Sharon (-: On Wednesday, January 1, 2014 10:55 AM, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Hey Bob, Thanks for reply. I've just been catching up on some posts. Steve being profound: You know what I think part of the problem might be, is that for me, it is just a chat room, and so I enjoy it on that basis. From Share's posts I'm getting the hang of what it takes to be awesome, but I'm not as confident about what it takes to be profound (on just a chat room) - can you help me out? Now Judy doesn't like that term. For her it something more formal. Now, nobody likes, or abides lies. Okay, that's a given. But how in the hell, can someone find so many lies in what other people post, day after day, month after month, year after year Have I got this right, they can't be lying because they do it so often; how bout they can't be lying cause they're so bad at it? Something wrong there I think. I wonder what it could be? And do you think, that, just maybe, many or most of those lies may just be differences of opinion? If you were taking the position that liars are often opinionated, I would not disagree, but it does not necessarily follow that just because Curtis told us he was only expressing his POV, that he was lying; despite the fact he was so awesome at times. Talk about a week blanket! Could you unpack this one for me? And I can't tell you how many times Judy has missed irony in other's postings! Can you cite an example or two, or is this just an opinion? If you can cite an example, I would ask that it not be Richard's claim that after Mary Magdalene saw him in the sky, Jesus flew down to Damascus like Superman, and knocked Saul off his horse; because, frankly, I think Richard is dead serious. Don't get me wrong, I'm willing to give Richard a pass on moving Damascus (if we allowed Barry to move Montmartre to the left bank, I figure we can let Richard move Damascus to the Hajaz - unless in Texas they've started to claim they're going to mosey on down when they take a trip to New York), its just this whole St. Paul as Lex Luther thing that has me a bit worried. Bob, hate to the one to break the news to you, but that says something about a person's state of mind. I agree, honesty speaks volumes about a person's state of mind, and their character too. Now, evidently you enjoy the kind of rigor she brings to the place. And I think she is a smart lady, and finds many inconsistencies. But can there ever be too much of a good thing. I think there can be. This is something new to me, and I promise to give it some serious thought; assuming I have it right, and that you're saying that honesty has its place, but, like crack, it can be abused and too much of a good thing? Also Bob, please excuse my misuse of the work onset to describe Richard's posts. How about onslaught, does that work better? I've just been reading through them, and I think he is a really funny guy. I agree if you think being (profoundly) intellectually insecure is humorous. And another confession, I've had a few off forum discussions with Share, I'm guessing Share keeps in touch off forum with all of her usherettes; I imagined this exchange between her and Barry: Share: Barry, how are you? Barry: STFU Share: You're such a tease. Barry: What don't you understand about STFU? Share: I think you're awesome Barry: That's the most profound thing you've ever said, now STFU. and I think she is a awesome lady. Is profoundly awesome the same as awesomely profound? Just a few thoughts Bob. I think you get the gist of it. I think I do; Judy is obsessed with fairness and Share is awesome? I reeling a little right now. The wife just told me how much the vacation cost. We found an art gallery that had just opened in Aspen. And they were anxious to make a sale,and we needed to replace some artwork over the two beds. Luckily that expense will be shared by three. But still, sort of reality check going on now. I sympathize, although I'm sure the art is beautiful. Happy first day of the new year! Happy New Year
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Holding back
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Hey, Bob (she said, still giggling), I'm still not done with Part Deux; had various interruptions the past couple of days. I just now started to watch the Welles interview and discovered it was 2-3/4 hours long. I think I'm going to bypass it for now and go on to the rest of your post. Hopefully I'll have the response finished tonight, but I hate to guarantee that after having missed my other ETAs. I fully understand, I'm looking forward to it when you have time. A Happy, Healthy, and Prosperous New Year. Share being awesome: Steve, Happy New Year to you and the whole family! I'm so grateful for your even tempered and profound voice on FFL. And thank you too for the personal compliment. As for the vacation costs, may they be quickly compensated for by great business in the coming months. Safe travels and all the best always. Share aka Sharon (-: On Wednesday, January 1, 2014 10:55 AM, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Hey Bob, Thanks for reply. I've just been catching up on some posts. Steve being profound: You know what I think part of the problem might be, is that for me, it is just a chat room, and so I enjoy it on that basis. From Share's posts I'm getting the hang of what it takes to be awesome, but I'm not as confident about what it takes to be profound (on just a chat room) - can you help me out? Now Judy doesn't like that term. For her it something more formal. Now, nobody likes, or abides lies. Okay, that's a given. But how in the hell, can someone find so many lies in what other people post, day after day, month after month, year after year Have I got this right, they can't be lying because they do it so often; how bout they can't be lying cause they're so bad at it? Something wrong there I think. I wonder what it could be? And do you think, that, just maybe, many or most of those lies may just be differences of opinion? If you were taking the position that liars are often opinionated, I would not disagree, but it does not necessarily follow that just because Curtis told us he was only expressing his POV, that he was lying; despite the fact he was so awesome at times. Talk about a week blanket! Could you unpack this one for me? And I can't tell you how many times Judy has missed irony in other's postings! Can you cite an example or two, or is this just an opinion? If you can cite an example, I would ask that it not be Richard's claim that after Mary Magdalene saw him in the sky, Jesus flew down to Damascus like Superman, and knocked Saul off his horse; because, frankly, I think Richard is dead serious. Don't get me wrong, I'm willing to give Richard a pass on moving Damascus (if we allowed Barry to move Montmartre to the left bank, I figure we can let Richard move Damascus to the Hajaz - unless in Texas they've started to claim they're going to mosey on down when they take a trip to New York), its just this whole St. Paul as Lex Luther thing that has me a bit worried. Bob, hate to the one to break the news to you, but that says something about a person's state of mind. I agree, honesty speaks volumes about a person's state of mind, and their character too. Now, evidently you enjoy the kind of rigor she brings to the place. And I think she is a smart lady, and finds many inconsistencies. But can there ever be too much of a good thing. I think there can be. This is something new to me, and I promise to give it some serious thought; assuming I have it right, and that you're saying that honesty has its place, but, like crack, it can be abused and too much of a good thing? Also Bob, please excuse my misuse of the work onset to describe Richard's posts. How about onslaught, does that work better? I've just been reading through them, and I think he is a really funny guy. I agree if you think being (profoundly) intellectually insecure is humorous. And another confession, I've had a few off forum discussions with Share, I'm guessing Share keeps in touch off forum with all of her usherettes; I imagined this exchange between her and Barry: Share: Barry, how are you? Barry: STFU Share: You're such a tease. Barry: What don't you understand about STFU? Share: I think you're awesome Barry: That's the most profound thing you've ever said, now STFU. and I think she is a awesome lady. Is profoundly awesome the same as awesomely profound? Just a few thoughts Bob. I think you get the gist of it. I think I do; Judy is obsessed with fairness and Share is awesome? I reeling a little right now. The wife just told me how much the vacation cost. We found an art gallery that had just opened in Aspen. And they were anxious to make a sale,and we needed to replace some artwork over the two beds. Luckily that expense will be
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Holding back
Hey Bob, Giving things are good, hard look is good. Parsing something into idiocy, or for the purposes of trying to win an argument is bad. I think it works something like that. Have you ever had a kitten, where any little playful movement elicits a full pounce response. That's kinda what I'm talking about with Judy. Where any little point, or disagreement becomes the grounds for an argument, if she feels like arguing, which usually seems to be the case. And since you and Judy have asked for examples of her missing irony, it happened (particularly) in a post I made about Robin some time ago. My post was so outlandish that I was shocked anyone could have taken it seriously. But take it seriously she did, and I was then too embarrassed (for her) to point it out. Fortunately most everyone else got, and when it came up later in a discussion, I was quite relieved that the misconception could be finally cleared up. Since then there have been several other instances. But if you think I'm making it up, just disregard the comment as some kind of fabrication on my part. And sorry again for my misspellings. I was anxious to get out the door. The wife's birthday is on the fourth. Naturally she's felt cheated all her life by having her birthday so close to Christmas. But it sure made it easy finding something nice today at 50% off.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Holding back
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bobpriced@... wrote: Steve, Thank you for your response and the kind regards to *she who must be listened to*, and the daughter. I also enjoy Barry's current contributions; I used to find his posts a bit of a yawn, but then Share showed up and began letting him know at every opportunity what a exceptional talent she considers him to be; witnessing Barry finally find the audience he so richly deserves could be the point I started believing in a personal deity again. You're correct I think Judy is an exceptional contributor on FFL; call me old fashioned, but I have a soft spot for people I can learn from; the fact she finds hypocrisy repugnant doesn't hurt either. A good example of why I love your contributions to the forum was your choice of the word onset to describe Richard's posts; it would take me a week to think of a word like that, I just looked it up in a not so thick dictionary which describes it as the beginning of something, esp. something unpleasant. So can you imagine my delight when I logged on to FFL and discovered that Richard had taken time from his busy posting schedule to respond line-by-line to my communication with you; I'm wondering what his weekly output might hit if I communicated directly with him - would 400-500 be too much for the Sherpa of There’s no there, there. Although this communication is to you, the post professor has my permission to treat it like he and I were sitting in the same room - having a bit of a chinwag; but before I proceed, I'd be remiss if I didn't mention that Richard needs get a handle on the fact that Ann and the good Dr. D. have his best interests at heart - the last thing they would want is for any of us to enable Richard's growing dependence on responding line-by-line to other peoples communications. Its a long road down from the mountain top of 250 posts a week (66% more than 150 - from the bottom up, and 40% more than 150 - from the top down; considered an excellent margin in a number of industries), but as with all journeys it must start with the first step; so in the spirit of our resident Sherpa's trek back down from the mountain top - a time when many climbers get in trouble - I'm going to listen to Ann's sage advice, and preserve bandwidth by limiting my response to his comments, and our exchange, to this single follow up post to you. As a side bar, I'm a little concerned for Richards safety as no doubt his line-by-line rebuttal on my communication to you brought on a nasty domestic with Barry - the Paris to Paris back channel must have been red hot yesterday; frankly, I thought (I'm sure Barry would agree) Share showed the kind of restraint that should secure her the STFU award from Barry for 2013 (tomorrow is the last day for entries). There were many interesting points in Richard's line-by-line response to my communication to you, but the ones that really jumped out at me, and I don't think I'm alone in this, were his I'm not gay declarations. As you know, he has continued to make this declaration for a few weeks now although I can't remember anyone actually saying he is gay. Keeping in mind that this is a tolerant, if not urbane, meeting place for like-minded students of the history of consciousness, and no one here would ever dream of looking like a complete moron by disparaging individuals based on their sexual orientation; I think I speak for more than a few FFL correspondents when I ask why Richard keeps denying he's not gay when no one said he is? For this reason, let's review what we know and what we know we don't know about these denials; in examining the denials we may unlock the secret to the onset, and his current challenges with holding back with his FFL contributions, and possibly his tantric practice - to determine whether this lack of control is a precursor to something more ominous. When we consider the onset of the volume of Richard posting the last few months, and more recently in his line-by-line rebuttal of my communication to you, is it possible that in this inability to *hold back* we are witnessing some type of tantric explosion caused by some denial of what he truly wants out of life; in my recent conversation with a woman named Rita (who our Richard has already disowned) she said: he may or may not be a gay tantric, but considering the time he spends with his computer - I know something is going on, and, this crazy idea he has that the only asana worth performing is the corpse pose - what the hell is with that. I mentioned to Rita that the Wife and I practice yoga most nights, and, frankly, at my age I wish there was more time for the corpse pose. I guess I'll leave it there; I've got to run - Judy has invited me sailing again. Richard if you're reading this could you post a link to some of your poetry; I for one would love to read some. The other Judy:
