Lawson, I'm not sure about the accuracy of your statement that because the dive
is shallower, progression to samadhi takes longer. In one of Fred Travis'
graduate classes, someone complained that they didn't feel deep in TM anymore.
Fred explained that one way to understand the growth from CC
Share, don't believe a word what pundits on internet-blogs tells you about TM.
The periods with transcendence are longer with advanced techniques but a
beginner might believe otherwise because the contrast between silence and
activity appears less.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
Hi Share,
I really don't think much about the mechanics of transcending. I think I get
what Lawson is saying, but this comment from Fred sounds like so much pablum to
me.
As far as everyday transcending, I think you know when your deep, and when
you're not so deep.
Just my
No Mantra, No Thoughts, No Bliss?--Sorry, No Samadhi!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Lawson, I'm not sure about the accuracy of your statement that because the
dive is shallower, progression to samadhi takes longer. In one of Fred Travis'
graduate classes,
Samadhi doesn't always produce bliss, if that's what you're saying. Plenty of
other interesting things can go on while having no thoughts and no mantra.
Experiencing infinity for example :-)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
No Mantra, No Thoughts, No
Plus Maharishi said that with practice of the TMSP, we're developing all the
higher states simultaneously. One thing that means to me is that
experience-wise, anything is possible. But I'm not a TM teacher so I could be
misinterpreting.
On Thursday, April 17, 2014 10:06 AM, nablusoss1008
Share, I was paraphrasing Maharishi's own description of what advanced
techniques do: they make the angle of the dive less, so that we can take more
time to appreciate different layers of the mind on the way to the Transcendent,
rather than just diving straight in.
I have no idea if my
Thank you for the clarification, Lawson, it's a wonderful fine point of
knowledge.
On Thursday, April 17, 2014 10:29 AM, lengli...@cox.net lengli...@cox.net
wrote:
Share, I was paraphrasing Maharishi's own description of what advanced
techniques do: they make the angle of the dive less,
Maharishi used the analogy of a falling leaf. It doesn't go straight down but
from side to side, so it takes longer to hit the ground than if it were, say,
an acorn. If you were a leaf, presumably you'd have more time to appreciate the
surrounding environment as you fell from layer to layer.
No, the longer mantras are usually given along with the jump start of
shaktipat. That's something Maharishi also did. But if shaktipat was
required for TM teachers he might have wound up with only a few dozen.
Beej mantras can be given by anybody so it was a shortcut. The beejs
are more
Read your scripture, Contact with Brahman,...is infinite joy. MMY Gita VIvs29
What?, now we're going to argue about what Samadhi is? That's been settled
centuries ago, but apparently not by the TMorg. (There are degrees of Samadhi,
granted, but MMY NEVER taught about those, we're talking about
The ignorance on this subject in the TMorg is legion, it's so crystal clear.
Self Realization or what MMY calls TC or CC is Sat Chit Ananda, period! What am
I missing here? Everybody's inner Being *IS* pure happiness, MMY (First 7
days of Initiation)
Not only that, but once you actually
Too bad Maharishi never taught Yoga! per se. He taught a-la-cart Yoga, parsed
here and there to satisfy bone head scientists; primarily. Such is modernity!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Thank you for the clarification, Lawson, it's a wonderful fine point of
Thanks, Judy, either I've never heard this or I've forgotten. It's a good one!
On Thursday, April 17, 2014 10:43 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com
authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
Maharishi used the analogy of a falling leaf. It doesn't go straight down but
from side to side, so it takes longer to hit
That's if you can get past first base! Who's on Second!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :
Maharishi used the analogy of a falling leaf. It doesn't go straight down but
from side to side, so it takes longer to hit the ground than if it were, say,
an acorn. If you
In regard to Share's comments, the transcendent is a metaphorical fiction, a
carrot on a stick, an enticement for meditation. Whatever we may say it is, the
'transcendent' is there all the time, everywhere. But when the mind does not
know this it requires an explanation for a practise like TM
I can't comment on any of that, except in the context of TM vs other mantra
practices...
The long-term (and sometimes short-term) physiological correlates of TM
practice are different than found in published research on other meditation
practices, whether or not mantras are invovled.
Settled only centuries ago? You mean, before that, there was argument?
Is turiya the same as samadhi, by the way? How do you know?
L
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
Read your scripture, Contact with Brahman,...is infinite joy. MMY Gita
VIvs29 What?,
Meeting with the Fairfield Meditating Community In the Golden Dome this
Thursday evening, April 17,
starting at 8:00 p.m.
://mumosa.com/mum-stories/maha-sanskrit-fail-at-mum.html
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Subject: [FairfieldLife] !Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam is Coming to Fairfield!
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday
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Date: Wednesday, April 16, 2014, 10:23 AM
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Date: Wednesday, April 16, 2014, 10:23 AM
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Subject: [FairfieldLife] !Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam is Coming to Fairfield!
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 16, 2014, 10:23 AM
Meeting with the
Fairfield Meditating CommunityIn the Golden
Dome this Thursday evening, April 17, starting
at 8:00
experience in MUM's Sanskrit class:
http://mumosa.com/mum-stories/maha-sanskrit-fail-at-mum.html
On Wed, 4/16/14, dhamiltony2k5@... dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:
Subject: [FairfieldLife] !Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam is Coming to Fairfield!
To: FairfieldLife
Raja Ram may be a nice guy on the surface, but he is the very face of a cult
and the very picture of a fraud.
On Wed, 4/16/14, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] !Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam is Coming to Fairfield
Tony Nader, Ph.D., M.D. can't hold a candle to all your accomplishments, such
as practicing Kung Fu for two years and fixing computers in your living room.
You may be a nice guy on the surface but you come across in print as a jealous
guy. Go figure.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
things and the post was
vacant, so Jimmy got the job and has held onto it like the Pope ever since.
On Wed, 4/16/14, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] !Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam is Coming to Fairfield
This sounds like something you made up to cover yourself. Go figure.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
he couldn't catch the towney who repeatedly snuck on campus, let himself in
the women's dorm so he could expose himself to them in the bathrooms. It took
them
writes:
I would love to be there and ask King Tony some questions he would not answer,
such as how big an ego does one need to declare oneself king of the world?
Subject: [FairfieldLife] !Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam is Coming to Fairfield!
Meeting with the
Fairfield Meditating CommunityIn
around with the
TMO, you are gonna get treated like garbage.
On Wed, 4/16/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] !Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam is Coming to Fairfield!
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Have you ever contemplated how you would feel if studies like the effects of
TM on PTSD in African war refugees are at least partially confirmed by
dis-interested parties?
What about if I'm right that Dietrich Lehmann and friends will soon publish
research on TM that shows that TM has
From: lengli...@cox.net lengli...@cox.net
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] !Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam is Coming to Fairfield!
Have you ever contemplated how you would feel if studies like the effects of TM
on PTSD
On 4/16/2014 12:10 PM, TurquoiseBee wrote:
As much as I hate to say it, Lawson, to my ears you are sounding more
and more like a religious fanatic, growing progressively more
desperate to prove that what he has been taught to believe is true.
Have you ever contemplated how you would feel if it
balance. BUT when
you have TM for TM's sake in places like Livingston Manor or MIU, you have a
facility filled with the TM walking dead.
On Wed, 4/16/14, lengli...@cox.net lengli...@cox.net wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] !Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam
From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 8:54 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] !Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam is Coming to Fairfield!
... Now I will admit that if one does TM at home AND HAS TO TAKE CARE OF A
FAMILY AND WORK
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 6:53 PM
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Have you ever contemplated how you would feel if studies like the effects of
TM on PTSD in African war refugees are at least partially confirmed by
dis-interested parties
So why would TM be any different from any other mantra meditation as far
as effects?
On 04/16/2014 09:53 AM, lengli...@cox.net wrote:
Have you ever contemplated how you would feel if studies like the
effects of TM on PTSD in African war refugees are at least partially
confirmed by
TM is taught differently than Benson's Relaxation Response, at least. As to how
differently it is taught from other forms of mantra meditation, that would
depend on the teacher of that other form of mantra meditation.
Samatha (spelling) is described as simple, effortless concentrative
: LEnglish5@... LEnglish5@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] !Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam is Coming to Fairfield!
Have you ever contemplated how you would feel if studies like the effects of
TM on PTSD in African war
The basic TM technique is just a beej mantra. Most other schools give
longer mantras more like the advanced technique as the first technqiue.
Beej mantras are often used in ayurveda and jyotish as remedial
measures. Also other schools aren't so concerned about selling their
mediation
The long-term outcome of all mantras is that they lead to samadhi. Some work
faster than others, which, ironically, is the point of advanced techniques: the
dive is more shallow, so the progression to samadhi takes longer.
So that doesn't explain the striking difference between TM and other
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