[FairfieldLife] DS responds to mainstream20016 Re: Abortion

2007-10-02 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 1, 2007, at 4:58 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Oct 1, 2007, at 2:38 PM, authfriend wrote: He does mention the word, Judy, in

Re: [FairfieldLife] DS responds to mainstream20016 Re: Abortion

2007-10-02 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Oct 2, 2007, at 8:22 AM, authfriend wrote: OK. I'd be happy to try to explain further if you can say where you got lost. (Your thoughts go around in so many circles *sounds* as if you're saying I use circular reasoning, or am just babbling without getting anywhere.) I don't believe in

Re: [FairfieldLife] DS responds to mainstream20016 Re: Abortion

2007-10-02 Thread MDixon6569
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[FairfieldLife] DS responds to mainstream20016 Re: Abortion

2007-10-02 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 2, 2007, at 8:22 AM, authfriend wrote: snip What could that have been? I don't see what else it could have been other than something they were feeling guilty about. Note that he did *not* say he told them

[FairfieldLife] DS responds to mainstream20016 Re: Abortion

2007-10-02 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: And yes, I can empathize with some of the things you mention, but my honest experience is that often I get along better with younger women than with

Re: [FairfieldLife] DS responds to mainstream20016 Re: Abortion

2007-10-02 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Oct 2, 2007, at 9:37 AM, authfriend wrote: Yeah, that's kind of where I felt you were going with this, and it may very well be a valid interpretation. However, telling them there was no basis for feeling guilty may have been out of place at the time, depending on how well he did or

[FairfieldLife] DS responds to mainstream20016 Re: Abortion

2007-10-01 Thread TurquoiseB
Oh, goodie. :-) It's not every morning that I get a chance to start my day off with a good rant, but here I have two idiots offering me an opportunity to do so, on a silver platter. I simply cannot resist. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] DS responds to mainstream20016 Re: Abortion

2007-10-01 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From Turquoise B, age 62, an original, complete post, #149707, Sept. 23, 2007, titled: I don't care what you call it - ...and I'm sorry, given whatever Hindu or Newage stuff you wish to project upon it,

[FairfieldLife] DS responds to mainstream20016 Re: Abortion

2007-10-01 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From Turquoise B, age 62, an original, complete post, #149707, Sept. 23, 2007, titled: Oh, one more thing, putz. I'm only 61. Won't be 62 for a couple more months. And yes, even though I didn't wind up having

[FairfieldLife] DS responds to mainstream20016 Re: Abortion

2007-10-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, goodie. :-) It's not every morning that I get a chance to start my day off with a good rant, but here I have two idiots offering me an opportunity to do so, on a silver platter. I simply cannot resist.

Re: [FairfieldLife] DS responds to mainstream20016 Re: Abortion

2007-10-01 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Oct 1, 2007, at 9:45 AM, authfriend wrote: And this after he's already handed the antichoice side a huge win by *accepting* the role that the guilt imposed by the antichoice folks plays for many women in making the decision to abort so difficult, as I pointed out in another post that Barry

[FairfieldLife] DS responds to mainstream20016 Re: Abortion

2007-10-01 Thread authfriend
(Note that Barry will almost certainly read Sal's post but not my response, and will use Sal's post to try to further demonize me.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 1, 2007, at 9:45 AM, authfriend wrote: And this after he's already handed

Re: [FairfieldLife] DS responds to mainstream20016 Re: Abortion

2007-10-01 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Oct 1, 2007, at 11:50 AM, authfriend wrote: It's right there in front of both our noses, Sal. It's in the third paragraph of your quote from Barry's post, as we'll see. He does mention the word, Judy, in reference to the trips he felt that MS was attempting to lay on the women who chose

[FairfieldLife] DS responds to mainstream20016 Re: Abortion

2007-10-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 1, 2007, at 11:50 AM, authfriend wrote: It's right there in front of both our noses, Sal. It's in the third paragraph of your quote from Barry's post, as we'll see. He does mention the word, Judy, in

Re: [FairfieldLife] DS responds to mainstream20016 Re: Abortion

2007-10-01 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Oct 1, 2007, at 2:38 PM, authfriend wrote: He does mention the word, Judy, in reference to the trips he felt that MS was attempting to lay on the women who chose abortion. No, in reference to what Barry suggests the women he consoled were feeling--not using the word explicitly, but

[FairfieldLife] DS responds to mainstream20016 Re: Abortion

2007-10-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip And yes, I can empathize with some of the things you mention, but my honest experience is that often I get along better with younger women than with women my own age because the younger ones have more of the

Re: [FairfieldLife] DS responds to mainstream20016 Re: Abortion

2007-10-01 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Oct 1, 2007, at 3:23 PM, mainstream20016 wrote: It seems that the domesticity and procreative drives are intense, There is no inherant procreative or baby-drive, MS--that's just misogynistic crap. If there were, there wouldn't be so much social pressure to have kids. Whenever that

[FairfieldLife] DS responds to mainstream20016 Re: Abortion

2007-10-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 1, 2007, at 2:38 PM, authfriend wrote: He does mention the word, Judy, in reference to the trips he felt that MS was attempting to lay on the women who chose abortion. No, in reference to what Barry

Re: [FairfieldLife] DS responds to mainstream20016 Re: Abortion

2007-10-01 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Oct 1, 2007, at 4:58 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 1, 2007, at 2:38 PM, authfriend wrote: He does mention the word, Judy, in reference to the trips he felt that MS was attempting to lay on the women who chose

[FairfieldLife] DS responds to mainstream20016 Re: Abortion

2007-10-01 Thread mainstream20016
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 1, 2007, at 3:23 PM, mainstream20016 wrote: It seems that the domesticity and procreative drives are intense, There is no inherant procreative or baby-drive, MS--that's just misogynistic crap. If there

Re: [FairfieldLife] DS responds to mainstream20016 Re: Abortion

2007-10-01 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Oct 1, 2007, at 8:44 PM, mainstream20016 wrote: You seem to be saying that 'so much social pressure to have kids' is an artificial construct You're sharp today, MS. - and when 'that' relaxes, family size would naturally decrease significantly. Again, chalk up another point. I contend

[FairfieldLife] DS responds to mainstream20016 Re: Abortion

2007-09-30 Thread mainstream20016
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been carefully staying out of this, partly because, on the few non-argument- driven forums I hang out in on the Net, abortion is a banned issue. The reason is that, as someone said earlier, one is either

[FairfieldLife] DS responds to mainstream20016 Re: Abortion

2007-09-30 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I have been carefully staying out of this, partly because, on the few non-argument- driven forums I hang out in on the Net, abortion is a

[FairfieldLife] DS responds to mainstream20016 Re: Abortion

2007-09-30 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20016@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip You have NOTHING to say about it. It's not your body.

[FairfieldLife] DS responds to mainstream20016 Re: Abortion

2007-09-29 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: snip Therefore advocating anti-abortion laws merely helps abortion to continue. You are COMPLETELY complicit in abortion if you advocate

[FairfieldLife] DS responds to mainstream20016 Re: Abortion

2007-09-29 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Killing is bad. Advocates of abortion encourage abortion as an easy choice, devoid of any concern for the fetus. Yes, the abortion perspective is selfish. Killing for selfish reasons is toxic to society. Are

[FairfieldLife] DS responds to mainstream20016 Re: Abortion

2007-09-29 Thread TurquoiseB
I have been carefully staying out of this, partly because, on the few non-argument- driven forums I hang out in on the Net, abortion is a banned issue. The reason is that, as someone said earlier, one is either pregnant or one isn't. It's that kinda issue. You're either for or against. Like

[FairfieldLife] DS responds to mainstream20016 Re: Abortion

2007-09-29 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip It is *not* as if abortion is an easy decision. You're trying to make it sound as if it is one. Actually, it should be a lot easier than it often is. A woman shouldn't have to feel shame and guilt in addition to

[FairfieldLife] DS responds to mainstream20016 Re: Abortion

2007-09-29 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Equality with men who advocate violence against the innocent is not virtuous. Both women and Kelts have been degraded by your argument. If abortions were the only so called violence against life, and killing on

[FairfieldLife] DS responds to mainstream20016 Re: Abortion

2007-09-29 Thread Duveyoung
Right on, Jimmy! Thou shall not kill. Pretty simple to understand, almost impossible to be perfect at. I'm going to get a half a coconut shell, a diaper and a walking staff. Can you imagine the first-person-I-went-up-to's response as I begged for my daily ration of rice? It seems just about

[FairfieldLife] DS responds to mainstream20016 Re: Abortion

2007-09-29 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right on, Jimmy! Thou shall not kill. Pretty simple to understand, almost impossible to be perfect at. I'm going to get a half a coconut shell, a diaper and a walking staff. Can you imagine the

[FairfieldLife] DS responds to mainstream20016 Re: Abortion

2007-09-27 Thread oneradiantbeing
Mainstream: The wanton disregard of the fetus in determining to abort is incredibly cruel. DS: I believe it's more cruel for a religion or government to abduct the bodily rights of a living individual and force them to reproduce against their will. Mainstream: Abortion coarsens social