Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-11 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 3/9/2014 6:03 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote: *Rakshasas* /raksasas/ (Sanskrit) > According to the Dictionary of Hinduism, the term Raksasa is "...an epithet applied in the Rig Veda to Indian indigenes whose characteristics were likened to demons of popular folklore. Most of the native resi

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-11 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 3/11/2014 9:02 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: You're trolling here. > The term 'Internet Troll' is frequently abused to slander opponents in heated debates and is frequently misapplied by those who are ignorant of Internet etiquette. But then we all know not to take you seriously, espe

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-11 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On 3/10/2014 8:43 PM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote: Richard,we do not take your posts seriously per your instructions. > The term 'Internet Troll' is frequently abused to slander opponents in heated debates and is frequentl

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-11 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 3/10/2014 8:43 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: Richard, we do not take your posts seriously per your instructions. > The term 'Internet Troll' is frequently abused to slander opponents in heated debates and is frequently misapplied by those who are ignorant of internet etiquette. Judy

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-11 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 3/10/2014 7:01 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote: > Richard, neither you or Share take yourselves or what you post > seriously; I think that is what you two find so attractive about each > other. Two peas in a pod. However, if posting here maintains your > mental and emotional health and help

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-10 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Richard, neither you or Share take yourselves or what you post seriously; I think that is what you two find so attractive about each other. Two peas in a pod. However, if posting here maintains your mental and emotional health and helps you b

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-10 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Emily, thanks for saying I'm similar to Richard. I take that as a compliment. I figured you might. On Monday, March 10, 2014 7:01 PM, "emilymaenot@..." wrote: Richard, neither you or Share take yourselves or what you post seriousl

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-10 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On 3/10/2014 9:19 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: (Don't pay any attention to Richard, for pete's sake. He's just trolling, as usual.) > You need to stop the lying, Judy. Calling someone a troll makes assumptions about a writer's motives that are im

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-10 Thread Share Long
Emily, thanks for saying I'm similar to Richard. I take that as a compliment. On Monday, March 10, 2014 7:01 PM, "emilymae...@yahoo.com" wrote:   Richard, neither you or Share take yourselves or what you post seriously; I think that is what you two find so attractive about each other.  T

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-10 Thread emilymaenot
Richard, neither you or Share take yourselves or what you post seriously; I think that is what you two find so attractive about each other. Two peas in a pod. However, if posting here maintains your mental and emotional health and helps you be kind to Rita, than more power to you. ---In F

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-10 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 3/10/2014 9:28 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: I don't believe anybody said it was "so difficult." It's just a nuisance. > It's more than a nuisance - it's a pain, as is the rest of Neo. It's Yahoo's way to dumb things down for the newbies, I guess. You can't even see the threaded posts seq

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-10 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 3/10/2014 9:19 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: (Don't pay any attention to Richard, for pete's sake. He's just trolling, as usual.) > You need to stop the lying, Judy. Calling someone a troll makes assumptions about a writer's motives that are impossible to determine unless you are a mind reader.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-10 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 3/10/2014 9:11 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: This may come as a shock to you, but it's not necessarily the case that everyone is so utterly fascinated by your conversations that the "flow" will stick in their minds. > You totally missed the point of posting to FFL. Who cares what other pe

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-10 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 3/10/2014 9:10 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: What is it about FFL that makes it so importantly serious that a conversation, argument must proceed a certain way? > That's because we are old and we have already made up our minds about things and so we're not going to change much anymore. We

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-10 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 3/10/2014 9:10 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: If you work, you cannot be serious here. > It works for me - posting from a home office and chatting on the internet at the same time, all hours of the day and night, is fun and I take it very seriously. I've been posting since 1998 and will pr

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-10 Thread nablusoss1008
Good points anartaxius. However my experience shows that the motivation for staying with TM can be anything. I know people who began meditating for simple reasons of health and have been doing TM regularily now for 54 years. Believe me, for some of these people enlightenment has never been a m

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-10 Thread anartaxius
Nabby, it actually is a link says 'show message history' in the reply window which you now seem to have found. I missed it for a while. But occasionally I will enter a thread not replying to a particular post, and then either delete the previous message(s) or do not show message history. But if

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-10 Thread authfriend
Yes, thank you. OK, did I get it right now ? Anyways, what makes you think I even read the post from MJ and Sal ? I do sometimes read your though but haven't even seen the "see all messages" thing, I'm not here often enough to have even noticed it. I don't believe anybody said it

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-10 Thread nablusoss1008
OK, did I get it right now ? Anyways, what makes you think I even read the post from MJ and Sal ? I do sometimes read your though but haven't even seen the "see all messages" thing, I'm not here often enough to have even noticed it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I don't belie

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-10 Thread authfriend
I don't believe anybody said it was "so difficult." It's just a nuisance. And the point is that you could eliminate that nuisance with a single mouse click, as Salyavin, Michael, and I have asked you to. There's no reason for you not to do it except to be deliberately discourteous. This may c

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-10 Thread anartaxius
I see. If you work, you cannot be serious here. What is it about FFL that makes it so importantly serious that a conversation, argument must proceed a certain way? Does this require a certain kind of obsession? Enlightenment is the ultimate joke. Why not just have fun? ---In FairfieldLife@

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-10 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 3/10/2014 4:51 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: > I also wondered why it was so difficult for some to follow the flow. > Go figure :-) > It has been suggested that the reason some of the FFL informants can't keep up with the conversation flow is because of ADD. But, it's much simpler than that - the

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-10 Thread nablusoss1008
I also wondered why it was so difficult for some to follow the flow. Go figure :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On 3/9/2014 7:49 AM, salyavin808 wrote: > I'd say please press the "show message history" before posting so we > can see what you are on about > There are only

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-09 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 3/9/2014 8:45 PM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote: > I am SO tired of your "Chimp at the keyboard" routine... > You are not even making any sense. Anyone who meditates with the goal of attaining enlightenment is a "Buddhist".

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-09 Thread doctordumbass
I am SO tired of your "Chimp at the keyboard" routine... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On 3/9/2014 6:58 AM, doctordumbass@... mailto:doctordumbass@... wrote: Buddhism has the little DL dude, and Uma Thurman's dad, and the DL does nothing except smile, and no one has ever hea

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-09 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 3/9/2014 7:49 AM, salyavin808 wrote: > I'd say please press the "show message history" before posting so we > can see what you are on about > There are only about six or seven us having an online conversation these days - I can remember what each one you has posted the day before. I don't ne

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-09 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 3/9/2014 6:58 AM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote: Buddhism has the little DL dude, and Uma Thurman's dad, and the DL does nothing except smile, and no one has ever heard of Uma Thurman's dad > Buddhism has the Buddha AND the DL dude, and there a millions of Buddhists that have heard of U

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-09 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 3/8/2014 9:46 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote: Does practising being a Buddhist leave you emotionally needy and insecure? If so what's the point? > You need to realize that this is a pattern: what students learn from their teachers sometimes they become. So far as we can tell from his writing

[FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-09 Thread emptybill
Rakshasas raksasas (Sanskrit) [from the verbal root raksh to protect] The preservers; in modern popular superstition in India, commonly associated with evil spirits and demons. Esoterically they are the gibborim (giants) of the Bible, the fourth root-race or Atlanteans: "when Brahma created th

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-09 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 3/9/2014 6:23 AM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote: > What are the other two rakshasas, besides NATO? > It would probably be a good idea to look up what the work "rakshasas" means in Sanskrit. Maybe some people don't realize is this was the word used by the Caucasian Aryan invaders of India

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-09 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 3/9/2014 3:01 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: I've seen at least one person levitate fer real and turn invisible and stuff like that and then turn around and act like a total dick. > Maybe we don't care if you're a dick or not, or where you have been - we just want you to tell us the secret of the

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-09 Thread emilymaenot
But Share, something did happen next. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Methinks the lady doth protest too much. The one in Seattle that is! The thing is Emily, I replied to emptybill as I was moved to reply and in a way that made sense to me. One has to start there I think a

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-09 Thread Share Long
Methinks the lady doth protest too much. The one in Seattle that is! The thing is Emily, I replied to emptybill as I was moved to reply and in a way that made sense to me. One has to start there I think and see what happens next. On Sunday, March 9, 2014 12:12 PM, "emilymae...@yahoo.com" w

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-09 Thread emilymaenot
Well, it is amusing to watch Share's mind...I wonder if she was following mine. The word "methinks" is one used by Shakespeare. Shakespeare wrote of paradox and, if you will, "wondrous paradox." And on this topic of paradox, from the book "Shakespeare and the Paradox" we find the following: "W

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-09 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From the information Emptybill posted: "Will I get everything I want when I'm "enlightened?" "No. But once you know self, you won’t want anything else." I'm glad you could make heads or tails from what Share wrote below because I couldn't

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-09 Thread doctordumbass
My experience has been more like, 'be careful what you wish for' - due to thoughts being entertained at a more powerful place, desires happen - all of them. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From the information Emptybill posted: "Will I get everything I want when I'm "enlight

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-09 Thread emilymaenot
From the information Emptybill posted: "Will I get everything I want when I'm "enlightened?" "No. But once you know self, you won’t want anything else." ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Emily, methunks that there is no disconnect between enlightenment, which you asked about, a

[FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-09 Thread doctordumbass
Ah, OK - Would've liked to hear it from the Big M. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : He didn't say. But Mr. Benjamin Crème has said that the material forces that was driven underground as an effect of WWII has resurfaced in Israel and in a undisclosed place in Eastern Europe.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-09 Thread Share Long
Salyavin, it was something about NATO being one of three rakshasas. On Sunday, March 9, 2014 7:49 AM, salyavin808 wrote:   I'd say please press the "show message history" before posting so we can see what you are on about but then I saw the words "Benjamin Creme" and realised I probab

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-09 Thread TurquoiseBee
as similar to comparing real history to stories read on Fox News by bimbos.  :-) From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 9, 2014 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wro

[FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-09 Thread salyavin808
I'd say please press the "show message history" before posting so we can see what you are on about but then I saw the words "Benjamin Creme" and realised I probably wasn't missing much. But do it anyway Nabby, it helps with the flow... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : He di

[FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-09 Thread nablusoss1008
He didn't say. But Mr. Benjamin Crème has said that the material forces that was driven underground as an effect of WWII has resurfaced in Israel and in a undisclosed place in Eastern Europe.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-09 Thread salyavin808
living person who embodies that which he or she is hoping to share with others. No words are necessary for this process to occur, and no words can possibly capture what is transmitted wordlessly. IMO, of course. From: "s3raphita@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-09 Thread doctordumbass
embodies that which he or she is hoping to share with others. No words are necessary for this process to occur, and no words can possibly capture what is transmitted wordlessly. IMO, of course. From: "s3raphita@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 9, 20

[FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-09 Thread doctordumbass
What are the other two rakshasas, besides NATO? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I think Maharishi distinguished between the personal and impersonal angle when commenting on world affairs. When labeling NATO as one the 3 last Rakshahas to not yet having been dissolved or Britain

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-09 Thread Share Long
Emily, methunks that there is no disconnect between enlightenment, which you asked about, and life, which was the context of my answer and includes BOTH kinds of smile (-: On Saturday, March 8, 2014 9:10 PM, "emilymae...@yahoo.com" wrote:   Methinks you may have changed what I was ask

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-09 Thread TurquoiseBee
by transmission from a living person who embodies that which he or she is hoping to share with others. No words are necessary for this process to occur, and no words can possibly capture what is transmitted wordlessly. IMO, of course. ________ From: "s3raph..

[FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-08 Thread s3raphita
Thanks for the reply. I followed your link and enjoyed the poems. Turquoise Bee was clearly someone who enjoyed the more earthy pleasures. And he didn't try to hide his preferences so can't be accused of being a hypocrite. Nothing wrong with that - but did he display any spiritual accomplishment

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-08 Thread emilymaenot
Methinks you may have changed what I was asking to make an attempt to talk of the topic, "life." I have now changed my own context to "Share talking about life" and I am amused (in a friendly way). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Emily, emptybill and Doc are way better at d

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-08 Thread Share Long
Emily, emptybill and Doc are way better at describing it than I am. I just have glimpses and sense it all around in everything and everyone. It's a state of wondrous paradox. On Saturday, March 8, 2014 7:02 PM, "emilymae...@yahoo.com" wrote:   Share, how does your comment relate to the

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-08 Thread emilymaenot
Share, how does your comment relate to the article and to what Emptybill's comment was? Can you elaborate? What is "enlightenment" to you. Sounds like you think it is a "thing"? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Emptybill, Sorry, I did not weep, I read and enjoyed, thank you.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-08 Thread Share Long
Emptybill, Sorry, I did not weep, I read and enjoyed, thank you. It's ok if enlightenment gets me instead of me getting it. Six of one, half dozen of another (-: So we could say, combining your words and punditsir's: enlightenment is only gonna get me as much as it gets me. That feels right.

[FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-08 Thread nablusoss1008
I think Maharishi distinguished between the personal and impersonal angle when commenting on world affairs. When labeling NATO as one the 3 last Rakshahas to not yet having been dissolved or Britain as the "Scorpion nation" he certainly wasn't holding much back :-) But he would be the incarnatio

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-08 Thread emptybill
Share, Sorry to have to say it again to you but none of us will get any "enlightenment" at all, not now or at any time - never, ever. Enlightenment is a silly scam to get you to want something that you already are by nature. It is more accurately called selling water by the river. There is noth

[FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-08 Thread doctordumbass
Yes, very much so. Although, having listened to many of his lectures, and especially those he broadcast, on-line, before he died, that "sweet truth", could have quite a fiery bite to it. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : That's right and he always managed to "say the truth but

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-08 Thread Share Long
Richard, you've said it before and I really like that phrase: you are only going to get as much enlightenment as you're going to get. It just sounds right and profound and funny too. Also like the bit about the tea stall wallah. All in all, a gem of a post (-: In Austin, is the Whole Foods in

[FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-08 Thread authfriend
If you mean the previous poster in the thread, that makes us have to go hunting for the last post with that thread title; it's a ways down the list of posts. Takes a lot less time and effort for you to just click "Show message history" when you've finished writing your post.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-08 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 3/8/2014 7:37 AM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote: What is, "a final renunciation"??? Sounds like people getting confused, between a monk's life of solitude, and a worldly person's active life. This concept is a false one - no matter what a person's state of consciousness, there is no act

[FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-08 Thread nablusoss1008
That's right and he always managed to "say the truth but say it sweet". That's quite an achievement considering he had to clear out centuries of misunderstandings by religious pundits.

[FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-08 Thread nablusoss1008
I replied to the last poster, is that really hard to understand ?

[FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-08 Thread doctordumbass
I always appreciated his penchant for never sugar-coating reality, even when it meant something had been misinterpreted for many years. It is a cruel thing to let people continue to believe things which have no basis in reality. And between you and me, Maharishi could have kicked my ass, big tim

[FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-08 Thread authfriend
Is it really hard for you to click on "Show message history" so we have some idea what you're responding to, Nabby? Sometimes you sound like Maharishi :-) Jai Guru Dev

[FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-08 Thread nablusoss1008
Sometimes you sound like Maharishi :-) Jai Guru Dev

[FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-08 Thread doctordumbass
What is, "a final renunciation"??? Sounds like people getting confused, between a monk's life of solitude, and a worldly person's active life. This concept is a false one - no matter what a person's state of consciousness, there is no actual lifestyle change, whether they are attached to the obj

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-07 Thread TurquoiseBee
From: "s3raph...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 8, 2014 4:09 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM   But more importantly: what is this new handle: TurquoiseBee? Is it someone making fun of Turquoi

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-07 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 3/7/2014 9:09 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote: But more importantly: what is this new handle: TurquoiseBee? > The Turquoise Bee: The Sixth Dalai Lama of Tibet who is reincarnated as the FFL "TB" - True Believer. Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! A

[FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-07 Thread s3raphita
Israel Regardie's quoting Ramakrishna ("taste the sugar") was because Regardie (surely correctly?) regarded Aleister Crowley as someone who also didn't make that final renunciation but explicitly advocated a path in which spiritual experiences where added to the smorgasboard of sexual and other

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-07 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: Share Long To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Friday, March 7, 2014 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM Ann, the flowing along of life IS the Belo

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-07 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Ann, the flowing along of life IS the Beloved. As is another person. As is the piece of music. Even being preoccupied with this or that is the Beloved. In my experience, the Beloved is all inclusive. Which means including Bawwy. Go figure!

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-07 Thread Share Long
turq, the Beloved is life and it's too late. It already loves you (-: On Friday, March 7, 2014 9:21 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote:   From: Share Long To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Friday, March 7, 2014 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article fr

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-07 Thread TurquoiseBee
From: Share Long To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Friday, March 7, 2014 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM   Ann, the flowing along of life IS the Beloved. As is another person. As is the piece of music.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-07 Thread Share Long
Ann, the flowing along of life IS the Beloved. As is another person. As is the piece of music. Even being preoccupied with this or that is the Beloved. In my experience, the Beloved is all inclusive. Which means including Bawwy. Go figure! On Friday, March 7, 2014 8:32 AM, "awoelfleba...@ya

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-07 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Seraph, rather than being the "final refusal to lose one's individuality" or the "final grasping at a gratifying experience? maybe it's simply a case of extreme devotion, wanting to adore the Beloved rather than become one with the Beloved.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-07 Thread Share Long
Seraph, rather than being the "final refusal to lose one's individuality" or the "final grasping at a gratifying experience? maybe it's simply a case of extreme devotion, wanting to adore the Beloved rather than become one with the Beloved. On Thursday, March 6, 2014 9:18 PM, "s3raph...@yah

[FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-06 Thread s3raphita
The Ramakrishna reference I was trying to recall above came from The Eye in the Triangle: An Interpretation of Aleister Crowley by Israel Regardie (by the way: the best short account of Crowley's life). Sri Ramakrishna said "I want to taste sugar, not become sugar." So what you have here is a

[FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-06 Thread doctordumbass
Right - that one would have been my guess. And yes, energetically it is easy to tell the difference with regard to a person's identity, infinite or localized. But even beyond that is Brahman, where the identity shifts, yet again, to infinity, anchored in infinity, vs. UC, which is infinity, anch

[FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-06 Thread nablusoss1008
This: "There is no loss of individual self-hood in such a state (of Unity). Rather, individual self-hood, is simply seen, and lived, in its proper place, secondary, to our Infinite nature. Our infinite nature, then, takes the primary place, in terms of what we identify, as ourselves."

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-06 Thread Share Long
Doc, my guess is that he was replying to this: That self-abnegation taught for centuries; the killing of desires, is inhuman, and inhumane. Why would we get to discover the ever increasing riches of the inner and outer worlds, to then deny them, in favor of some sattvic intoxication? The quote

[FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-06 Thread doctordumbass
I agree with you, in principle, but have no idea, which post of mine, you are referring to. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Thanks for clarifying this point Dr. It's an important point and one which to use if you want to distinguish real teachers from the charlatan's.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-06 Thread authfriend
;s dead. Fascinating how long cult indoctrination can last, isn't it? :-) From: "awoelflebater@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 6, 2014 3:59 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM ---In Fairfield

[FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-06 Thread nablusoss1008
Thanks for clarifying this point Dr. It's an important point and one which to use if you want to distinguish real teachers from the charlatan's.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-05 Thread TurquoiseBee
harishi would spank, and say "Off the program." Even though he's dead. Fascinating how long cult indoctrination can last, isn't it?   :-) From: "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 6, 20

[FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-05 Thread doctordumbass
That self-abnegation taught for centuries; the killing of desires, is inhuman, and inhumane. Why would we get to discover the ever increasing riches of the inner and outer worlds, to then deny them, in favor of some sattvic intoxication? The quote sounds like a misunderstanding, of the relation

[FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-05 Thread s3raphita
Re "Recommended: the autobiographical statements of Ramakrishna's experiences": I've not read about Ramakrishna in depth but will definitely make up for that lapse soon as he is one of the most fascinating characters in Indian spirituality. Someone (I forget who) claimed that Ramakrishna never

[FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-05 Thread yifuxero
Right,; otoh, it took me a while (2-3 years), to realize that that what most TM'ers were calling "transcending" was MMY's "fuzzy transcendence", but does not match any of the Scriptures nor the experiential accounts of Masters of the great Traditions. Traditions. What's lacking is the third

[FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-05 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Re transcending is a non-event and definitely not interesting.: Not interesting? Freud, Jung, Sartre and assorted behaviourists claimed that an experience of pure consciousness (awareness without an object) was impossible. So if pure awareness

[FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-05 Thread s3raphita
Re transcending is a non-event and definitely not interesting.: Not interesting? Freud, Jung, Sartre and assorted behaviourists claimed that an experience of pure consciousness (awareness without an object) was impossible. So if pure awareness *is* a possible experience it blows such theories ou

[FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-04 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Ann, My comment is in red: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Maharishi said that everyone passes through transcendence as they go from one state of consciousness to another (wak

[FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-04 Thread jr_esq
Ann, My comment is in red: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Maharishi said that everyone passes through transcendence as they go from one state of consciousness to another (waking to dreaming to sleeping and back again). He prob

[FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-04 Thread s3raphita
Yes it was Ramana Maharshi (not MMY) who advocated catching yourself at the moment of waking There are too many "great seers" in Inda. I suspect Judy is right when she she suggests Ramana is taking an effect for a cause but maybe his technique has worked for some people. Ann's inability to gras

[FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-04 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I'm not sure what "blanking" refers to, actually. Could you explain? I remember as a child deciding it was impossible to stop thinking. I worked at it and worked at it, but I'd always catch myself watching to see whether I wasn't thinking, an

[FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-04 Thread authfriend
I'm not sure what "blanking" refers to, actually. Could you explain? I remember as a child deciding it was impossible to stop thinking. I worked at it and worked at it, but I'd always catch myself watching to see whether I wasn't thinking, and I realized that the "watching" was itself a form o

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-04 Thread Share Long
Ann, it would be interesting to hook up to EEG apparatus some people who are blanking and compare their brain waves to people practicing TM. And just for fun, let's throw in some people practicing mindfulness! On Monday, March 3, 2014 11:46 PM, "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com" wrote:   ---

[FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-03 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Exactly right. To call transcending an "experience" confuses the issue when you get down to the nitty-gritty. I don't think it's "gobbledygook semantics," it's just that we don't have a language

[FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-03 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Exactly right. To call transcending an "experience" confuses the issue when you get down to the nitty-gritty. I don't think it's "gobbledygook semantics," it's just that we don't have a language of transcendence, so we often have to go through s

[FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-03 Thread authfriend
Exactly right. To call transcending an "experience" confuses the issue when you get down to the nitty-gritty. I don't think it's "gobbledygook semantics," it's just that we don't have a language of transcendence, so we often have to go through semantic contortions. You make an excellent point

[FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-03 Thread doctordumbass
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Maharishi said that everyone passes through transcendence as they go from one state of consciousness to another (waking to dreaming to sleeping and back again). He probably would not have recomm

[FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-03 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Maharishi said that everyone passes through transcendence as they go from one state of consciousness to another (waking to dreaming to sleeping and back again). He probably would not have recommended trying to hold one's awareness in that in-bet

[FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-03 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Re Ann's "The transition between waking and sleeping is not transcendence in my book. It is full of thoughts and awareness that do not feel transcendental at all.": So you are *not* doing what Maharshi says. You have to hold your awareness at t

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Funny article from the Guardian Newspaper about TM

2014-03-03 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 3/3/2014 6:32 PM, Bhairitu wrote: > Really? Most all mantras cause physiological change. Your statement > happens to also throw out a lot of TM research. > There are no double-blind scientific studies that prove the mind can alter a physical object at will. If that were possible, it would be

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