[FairfieldLife] Re: Amazing young Koran-singer
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 25, 2007, at 9:20 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: snip Actually Lurk I thought the little boy was quite cute and sang beautifully, but for somebody to say they were almost converted to Islam on the spot, based on a cute child, sweet voice and luring melody was pretty emotional and lacked reason. What lacks reason, MDixon, is that you took my obviously wildly hyperbolic comment literally. Unbelievable. A perfect example, Judy, of becoming a victim of your own-hyper-vigilance: I took it exactly the same way MD did as well. It didn't sound to me at all like hyperbole, the way you phrased it. But MD claims he knew it *was* hyperbole. Oopsie! And, seeing as how you are all for holding everyone's feet to the fire to say *exactly* what they mean, I took it at face value. No, that's bullshit, Sal. I never dump on people for using hyperbole as long as it's clear it's hyperbole, and I use it myself from time to time. This was *obviously* hyperbole, humorous hyperbole at that. Of course I found it odd, but without emoticons, it sounded like it might be a possibility, however remote. snicker That's why you took it at face value, because you thought it was a remote possibility?
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On Sep 29, 2007, at 1:09 PM, authfriend wrote: And, seeing as how you are all for holding everyone's feet to the fire to say *exactly* what they mean, I took it at face value. No, that's bullshit, Sal. I never dump on people for using hyperbole as long as it's clear it's hyperbole, and I use it myself from time to time. This was *obviously* hyperbole, humorous hyperbole at that. Yep, Judy, your posts are always just a barrel of laughs :)--how on earth anyone could ever think otherwise is beyond me. Sal (chortle, snicker)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amazing young Koran-singer
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 29, 2007, at 1:09 PM, authfriend wrote: And, seeing as how you are all for holding everyone's feet to the fire to say *exactly* what they mean, I took it at face value. No, that's bullshit, Sal. I never dump on people for using hyperbole as long as it's clear it's hyperbole, and I use it myself from time to time. This was *obviously* hyperbole, humorous hyperbole at that. Yep, Judy, your posts are always just a barrel of laughs :)--how on earth anyone could ever think otherwise is beyond me. Sal (chortle, snicker) Your sensa yooma could use a tuneup, Sal.
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In a message dated 9/25/07 7:55:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I can't seriously believe that anyone, particularly anyone who knows Judy, could seriously conclude by what she said that she really *did* mean convert to Islam simply because of hearing a song - no matter how beautiful. I don't know what your history is with Judy, Sal, but I suspect that you, like Dixon and Barry, have been a recipient of her criticism and don't mind finding any excuse to attack her. Actually I found Judy's original post about the little Koran singer amusing in that she had considered converting to Judaism once before and was gushing over a little boy singing from the Koran without knowing what he was singing. For all anybody knew, he could have been singing about killing Jews and other infidels. Just my observation which I found ironic. Meanwhile, I'm attacked and called a bigot because I dare associate Islam with anything negative like bigotry towards Jews and infidels and accused of promoting Israeli propaganda, code word for *Jewish lies*. Such is a day in Fairfield Life:) ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amazing young Koran-singer
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually I found Judy's original post about the little Koran singer amusing in that she had considered converting to Judaism once before and was gushing over a little boy singing from the Koran without knowing what he was singing. For all anybody knew, he could have been singing about killing Jews and other infidels. Just my observation which I found ironic. Meanwhile, I'm attacked and called a bigot because I dare associate Islam with anything negative like bigotry towards Jews and infidels and accused of promoting Israeli propaganda, code word for *Jewish lies*. Such is a day in Fairfield Life:) While I agree with you completely on what's been going on here on Fairfield Life, I think that even you will have to admit that there *is* a great deal of Israeli propaganda, and has been for decades. It coincides with a lot of the Neocon/Bush propa- ganda, in that both sets of People With Agendas would like nothing better than for people all over the world to hear the words 'Arab' or 'Muslim' and then, in their next thought, automatically associate those words with 'terrorist' and 'killer.' And, sadly, they have accomplished this to some extent in the United States. You really don't see it as much here in Europe, where they're more used to dealing with people from different countries and different traditions as individuals, not as symbols for something. When you live alongside a lot of Muslims, and deal with them on a day-to-day basis, it's easier to understand that the propaganda about them is just that, and that they're human beings just like you and me who, for the most part, want the same things that you and I want. But for Americans who have been frightened into being *afraid* of anyone who looks even remotely Middle Eastern, and regarding them as a potential terrorist ready to kill them the moment their back is turned, it's quite a different story. I've met a number of Americans over here lately, and I have to tell you how *shocking* it is to hear the things they think, and the things they worry about. After living in Europe for four years, I have grown used to an environment in which there is *zero* fear of terrorism in the general population. There is an *awareness* of it, and there are measures in place to prevent anything from happening, but it really doesn't impinge on the private lives of most of the people. I would go so far as to say that the fear of terrorism never even enters their minds; they're too busy living their lives and enjoying those lives, for the most part. And then I meet the Americans. *Smart* Americans, *intelligent* Americans, not like Bush and his cronies. And they can't go an hour without mentioning terrorism at least once. It's very, very sad from my point of view. It's an indication that the terrorists WON with regard to America and Americans. When the bombs went off in Madrid, half the population of the city marched to show their protest, and their conviction that such things were impermissible, and that they wouldn't tolerate them. But then they went back to their lives. Same in London, with the subway bombings. The next day people were back at work and back in their lives. They didn't allow the mind virus of terrorism to take over their lives and make them worried much of the time and make them give away their liberties. I'm sorry, dude, but Americans did. They allowed the terrorists to WIN, by allowing these mind viruses free rein in their minds. In a way it's similar to some of the games we see played here on FFL. There are people whose goal in life seems to be to suck attention. They want you to *focus on them*. They want to believe that you're thinking about them all the time, even if what they believe you're thinking is how to do them or their reputations harm. They're like attention terrorists, always trying to push themselves into somebody else's mind. Me, I don't stand for it any more. Like the Spanish and like the British, I've got more important things to do than think about insecure pissants who want to force their way into your attention field. Like living. Like working. Like playing and having fun. I have realized that the pissants are going to be stalking me and other people here that they don't like pretty much forever. I can't do anything about it; it just seems to be how their minds work, their operating system. But I don't have to allow them into *my* mind. As with terrorism, living well is the best revenge.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amazing young Koran-singer
So if what some are saying comes true, and if 50-100 years France and Germany become majority Muslim states, do you feel these states will be better or worse off for non-Muslims and women? What about people who are not of the book, like , Atheists, Hindus and Buddhists? What about human rights in general? On Sep 26, 2007, at 7:34 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually I found Judy's original post about the little Koran singer amusing in that she had considered converting to Judaism once before and was gushing over a little boy singing from the Koran without knowing what he was singing. For all anybody knew, he could have been singing about killing Jews and other infidels. Just my observation which I found ironic. Meanwhile, I'm attacked and called a bigot because I dare associate Islam with anything negative like bigotry towards Jews and infidels and accused of promoting Israeli propaganda, code word for *Jewish lies*. Such is a day in Fairfield Life:) While I agree with you completely on what's been going on here on Fairfield Life, I think that even you will have to admit that there *is* a great deal of Israeli propaganda, and has been for decades. It coincides with a lot of the Neocon/Bush propa- ganda, in that both sets of People With Agendas would like nothing better than for people all over the world to hear the words 'Arab' or 'Muslim' and then, in their next thought, automatically associate those words with 'terrorist' and 'killer.' And, sadly, they have accomplished this to some extent in the United States. You really don't see it as much here in Europe, where they're more used to dealing with people from different countries and different traditions as individuals, not as symbols for something. When you live alongside a lot of Muslims, and deal with them on a day-to-day basis, it's easier to understand that the propaganda about them is just that, and that they're human beings just like you and me who, for the most part, want the same things that you and I want. But for Americans who have been frightened into being *afraid* of anyone who looks even remotely Middle Eastern, and regarding them as a potential terrorist ready to kill them the moment their back is turned, it's quite a different story. I've met a number of Americans over here lately, and I have to tell you how *shocking* it is to hear the things they think, and the things they worry about. After living in Europe for four years, I have grown used to an environment in which there is *zero* fear of terrorism in the general population. There is an *awareness* of it, and there are measures in place to prevent anything from happening, but it really doesn't impinge on the private lives of most of the people. I would go so far as to say that the fear of terrorism never even enters their minds; they're too busy living their lives and enjoying those lives, for the most part. And then I meet the Americans. *Smart* Americans, *intelligent* Americans, not like Bush and his cronies. And they can't go an hour without mentioning terrorism at least once. It's very, very sad from my point of view. It's an indication that the terrorists WON with regard to America and Americans. When the bombs went off in Madrid, half the population of the city marched to show their protest, and their conviction that such things were impermissible, and that they wouldn't tolerate them. But then they went back to their lives. Same in London, with the subway bombings. The next day people were back at work and back in their lives. They didn't allow the mind virus of terrorism to take over their lives and make them worried much of the time and make them give away their liberties. I'm sorry, dude, but Americans did. They allowed the terrorists to WIN, by allowing these mind viruses free rein in their minds. In a way it's similar to some of the games we see played here on FFL. There are people whose goal in life seems to be to suck attention. They want you to *focus on them*. They want to believe that you're thinking about them all the time, even if what they believe you're thinking is how to do them or their reputations harm. They're like attention terrorists, always trying to push themselves into somebody else's mind. Me, I don't stand for it any more. Like the Spanish and like the British, I've got more important things to do than think about insecure pissants who want to force their way into your attention field. Like living. Like working. Like playing and having fun. I have realized that the pissants are going to be stalking me and other people here that they don't like pretty much forever. I can't do anything about it; it just seems to be how their minds work, their operating system. But I don't have to allow them into *my* mind. As with terrorism, living well is the best revenge.
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Does this echo your sentiment on terrorism and America B.? Just curious how close it was. Is Terrorism a Mortal Threat? It may have been politically incorrect to publish the thoughts on the sixth anniversary of 9-11, but what Colin Powell had to say to GQ magazine needs to be heard. Terrorism, said Powell, is not a mortal threat to America. What is the greatest threat facing us now? Powell asked. People will say it's terrorism. But are there any terrorists in the world who can change the American way of life or our political system? No. Can they knock down a building? Yes. Can they kill somebody? Yes. But can they change us? No. Only we can change ourselves. So what is the great threat we are facing? History and common sense teach that Powell speaks truth. Since 9-11, 100,000 Americans have been murdered -- as many as we lost in Vietnam, Korea and Iraq combined. Yet, not one of these murders was the work of an Islamic terrorist, and all of them, terrible as they are, did not imperil the survival of our republic. Terrorists can blow up our buildings, assassinate our leaders, and bomb our malls and stadiums. They cannot destroy us. Assume the worst. Terrorists smuggle an atom bomb into New York harbor or into Washington, D.C., and detonate it. Horrible and horrifying as that would be -- perhaps 100,000 dead and wounded -- it would not mean the end of the United States. It would more likely mean the end of Iran, or whatever nation at which the United States chose to direct its rage and retribution. Consider. Between 1942 and 1945, Germany and Japan, nations not one- tenth the size of the United States, saw their cities firebombed, and their soldiers and civilians slaughtered in the millions. Japan lost an empire. Germany lost a third of its territory. Both were put under military occupation. Yet, 15 years later, Germany and Japan were the second and third most prosperous nations on Earth, the dynamos of their respective continents, Europe and Asia. Powell's point is not that terrorism is not a threat. It is that the terror threat must be seen in perspective, that we ought not frighten ourselves to death with our own propaganda, that we cannot allow fear of terror to monopolize our every waking hour or cause us to give up our freedom. For all the blather of a restored caliphate, the Islamofascists, as the neocons call them, cannot create or run a modern state, or pose a mortal threat to America. The GNP of the entire Arab world is not equal to Spain's. Oil aside, its exports are equal to Finland's. Afghanistan and Sudan, under Islamist regimes, were basket cases. Despite the comparisons with Nazi Germany, Iran is unable to build modern fighters or warships and has an economy one-twentieth that of the United States, at best. While we lack the troops to invade Iran, three times the size of Iraq, the U.S. Air Force and Navy could, in weeks, smash Iran's capacity to make war, blockade it and reduce its population to destitution. Should Iran develop a nuclear weapon and use it on us or on Israel, it would invite annihilation. As a threat, Iran is not remotely in the same league with the Soviet Union of Stalin, Khrushchev and Brezhnev, or Mao's China, or Nazi Germany, or Imperial Japan, or even Mussolini's Italy. And why would Tehran, which has not launched a war since the revolution in 1979, start a war with an America with 10,000 nuclear weapons? If the Iranians are so suicidal, why have they not committed suicide in 30 years by attacking us or Israel? What makes war with Iran folly is that an all-out war could lead to a break-up of that country, with Persians, Azeris, Kurds, Arabs and Baluchis going their separate ways, creating fertile enclaves for al- Qaida recruitment and training. Yet, while talking common sense, Gen. Powell himself reverted to cliche. America could not survive without immigration. But this is nonsense. From 1789 to 1845, we had almost no immigration, before the Irish came. Did we not survive? From 1925 to 1965, we had almost no immigration. Yet, we conquered the Great Depression, won World World II, became the greatest power on earth and ended those four decades with an Era of Good Feeling under Ike and JFK unlike any we had known before. Was the America of the 1940s and 1950s in which Colin Powell grew up in danger of not surviving for lack of immigration? In our time, Pakistan, Ethiopia and Czechoslovakia have split apart. The Soviet Union and Yugoslavia have broken up into two dozen nations. Terrorism had nothing to do with it. Tribalism had everything to do with it. Race, ethnicity and religion are the fault lines along which nations like Iraq are coming apart. If America ends, it will not be the work of an Osama bin Laden. As Abraham Lincoln said, it will be by our own hand, it will be by suicide. by Patrick J. Buchanan (more by this
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amazing young Koran-singer
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/25/07 7:55:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I can't seriously believe that anyone, particularly anyone who knows Judy, could seriously conclude by what she said that she really *did* mean convert to Islam simply because of hearing a song - no matter how beautiful. I don't know what your history is with Judy, Sal, but I suspect that you, like Dixon and Barry, have been a recipient of her criticism and don't mind finding any excuse to attack her. Actually I found Judy's original post about the little Koran singer amusing in that she had considered converting to Judaism once before and was gushing over a little boy singing from the Koran without knowing what he was singing. For all anybody knew, he could have been singing about killing Jews and other infidels. Just my observation which I found ironic. Meanwhile, I'm attacked and called a bigot because I dare associate Islam with anything negative like bigotry towards Jews and infidels and accused of promoting Israeli propaganda, code word for *Jewish lies*. Such is a day in Fairfield Life:) What's most disturbing is that you wear your bigotry so self-assuredly. It's classic.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if what some are saying comes true, and if 50-100 years France and Germany become majority Muslim states, do you feel these states will be better or worse off for non-Muslims and women? What about people who are not of the book, like , Atheists, Hindus and Buddhists? What about human rights in general? The Islamification of Europe Simon Kuper Financial Times, August 19 2007 http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/123ade02-4e6f-11dc-85e7-779fd2ac.html Excerpts: ...Bernard Lewis, a scholar of Islam, cited the immigration from Muslim countries and relatively high birth-rates of immigrants as trends that mean Europe will have Muslim majorities in the population by the end of the twenty-first century at the latest. Most academics who have analysed the demographics dismiss such predictions. Jytte Klausen, a professor of politics at Brandeis University who studies European Muslims, says: It's being advocated by people who don't consult the numbers. All these claims are really emotional claims. Sometimes they are made by Muslim or far-right groups, who share an interest in exaggerating the numbers. Nominal Muslims whether religious or not account for 3-4 per cent of the European Union's total population of 493m. Their percentage should rise, but far more modestly than the extreme predictions. That is chiefly because Muslims, both in Europe and the main emigrating countries of Turkey and north Africa, are having fewer babies. [ ] The US National Intelligence Council predicts there will be between 23m and 38m Muslims in the EU in 2025 5-8 per cent of the population. But after 2025 the Muslim population should stop growing so quickly, given its falling birth-rate. In short, Islamicisation let alone sharia law is not a demographic prospect for Europe.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if what some are saying comes true, and if 50-100 years France and Germany become majority Muslim states, do you feel these states will be better or worse off for non-Muslims and women? What about people who are not of the book, like , Atheists, Hindus and Buddhists? What about human rights in general? I have no idea. As far as I can tell, both France and Germany are pretty strongly in the If you move to our country, you tacitly agree to play by our rules camp. And they've gotten very little negative feedback on that from anyone but insane fanatical Muslims. Unfortunately, as in the US, the insane fanatics tend to get the airplay on the News, so people think there are more of them than there are. In my experience, most of the Muslim community thinks these people are insane, too. They're not going to let a few fanatics spoil it for the rest of them in the long run. On Sep 26, 2007, at 7:34 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: Actually I found Judy's original post about the little Koran singer amusing in that she had considered converting to Judaism once before and was gushing over a little boy singing from the Koran without knowing what he was singing. For all anybody knew, he could have been singing about killing Jews and other infidels. Just my observation which I found ironic. Meanwhile, I'm attacked and called a bigot because I dare associate Islam with anything negative like bigotry towards Jews and infidels and accused of promoting Israeli propaganda, code word for *Jewish lies*. Such is a day in Fairfield Life:) While I agree with you completely on what's been going on here on Fairfield Life, I think that even you will have to admit that there *is* a great deal of Israeli propaganda, and has been for decades. It coincides with a lot of the Neocon/Bush propa- ganda, in that both sets of People With Agendas would like nothing better than for people all over the world to hear the words 'Arab' or 'Muslim' and then, in their next thought, automatically associate those words with 'terrorist' and 'killer.' And, sadly, they have accomplished this to some extent in the United States. You really don't see it as much here in Europe, where they're more used to dealing with people from different countries and different traditions as individuals, not as symbols for something. When you live alongside a lot of Muslims, and deal with them on a day-to-day basis, it's easier to understand that the propaganda about them is just that, and that they're human beings just like you and me who, for the most part, want the same things that you and I want. But for Americans who have been frightened into being *afraid* of anyone who looks even remotely Middle Eastern, and regarding them as a potential terrorist ready to kill them the moment their back is turned, it's quite a different story. I've met a number of Americans over here lately, and I have to tell you how *shocking* it is to hear the things they think, and the things they worry about. After living in Europe for four years, I have grown used to an environment in which there is *zero* fear of terrorism in the general population. There is an *awareness* of it, and there are measures in place to prevent anything from happening, but it really doesn't impinge on the private lives of most of the people. I would go so far as to say that the fear of terrorism never even enters their minds; they're too busy living their lives and enjoying those lives, for the most part. And then I meet the Americans. *Smart* Americans, *intelligent* Americans, not like Bush and his cronies. And they can't go an hour without mentioning terrorism at least once. It's very, very sad from my point of view. It's an indication that the terrorists WON with regard to America and Americans. When the bombs went off in Madrid, half the population of the city marched to show their protest, and their conviction that such things were impermissible, and that they wouldn't tolerate them. But then they went back to their lives. Same in London, with the subway bombings. The next day people were back at work and back in their lives. They didn't allow the mind virus of terrorism to take over their lives and make them worried much of the time and make them give away their liberties. I'm sorry, dude, but Americans did. They allowed the terrorists to WIN, by allowing these mind viruses free rein in their minds. In a way it's similar to some of the games we see played here on FFL. There are people whose goal in life seems to be to suck attention. They want you to *focus on them*. They want to believe that you're thinking about them all the time, even if what they believe you're thinking is how to do them or their
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On Sep 26, 2007, at 10:37 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if what some are saying comes true, and if 50-100 years France and Germany become majority Muslim states, do you feel these states will be better or worse off for non-Muslims and women? What about people who are not of the book, like , Atheists, Hindus and Buddhists? What about human rights in general? I have no idea. As far as I can tell, both France and Germany are pretty strongly in the If you move to our country, you tacitly agree to play by our rules camp. And they've gotten very little negative feedback on that from anyone but insane fanatical Muslims. Unfortunately, as in the US, the insane fanatics tend to get the airplay on the News, so people think there are more of them than there are. In my experience, most of the Muslim community thinks these people are insane, too. They're not going to let a few fanatics spoil it for the rest of them in the long run. Hopefully that is the case. Some polls have shown that in some countries there is a minority of radicals, but a close majority that supports some of their actions. It is certainly a universal structure in mythic religious believers across religion or country -- more specifically those who adhere to an egocentric or ethnocentric god, a people of a my god or a certain god, the god of a chosen people as opposed to world-centric god. In fact this is a given in almost all religious terrorists whether it be protestant fundamentalists who blow up abortion clinics or Buddhists who put sarin gas into subways: a fundamentalist, ethnocentric, mythic belief driven by a egocentric, rather primitive, drive. The psychological profile of almost ALL terrorists is identical: 'I see no room in the MODERN world for MY god or MY PEOPLE'S god: therefore it's my destiny/duty/dharma to kill the other. When immigrants from societies whose collective consciousness are still at the Red (mythic gods) and Blue (mythic order) meme move into orange meme or higher societies, it hard for them to remain at the lower levels--they will naturally gravitate towards the orange meme themes (scientific understanding). The main way this can be forestalled is to isolate one's group from the whole and refuse to assimilate. Since the majority of the planet is at orange meme or higher (our collective center of gravity), it takes societal or collective effort to NOT assimilate, at least to orange meme. This is also why the collective will tend to focus, sometimes as a demonic projection, on these lower levels that are still resisting more globlacentric integration and acceptance. The US and western Europe are some of the first emerging green meme center of gravity societies and we are beginning to get some second tier segments of society (yellow, turquoise and coral meme), but they are still in the minority overall. The fastest way to urge collective societal consciousness higher is to encourage assimilation of groups which still actively resist the reality of a modern world with different people, all in the same boat--not competing tribes-- and encourage the more universal, global-centric aspect of spirit (in my estimation).
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In a message dated 9/26/07 6:34:51 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: hile I agree with you completely on what's been going on here on Fairfield Life, I think that even you will have to admit that there *is* a great deal of Israeli propaganda, and has been for decades Of course Israeli's use propaganda as do Palestinians and propaganda doesn't necessarily have to be a falsehood. Israel is in a fight for it's very existence and they have to stick up for themselves. One thing Israelis have learned , the hard way, is you don't lay down for someone trying to kill you. The web sites I provided have been corroborated by other sources including major American media sources(other than Fox) as well as Palestinians who used to fall for that stuff. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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In a message dated 9/26/07 7:32:04 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Since 9-11, 100,000 Americans have been murdered -- as many as we lost in Vietnam, Korea and Iraq combined. Yet, not one of these murders was the work of an Islamic terrorist, and all of them, terrible as they are, did not imperil the survival of our republic. Terrorists can blow up our buildings, assassinate our leaders, and bomb our malls and stadiums. They cannot destroy us. Assume the worst. Terrorists smuggle an atom bomb into New York harbor or into Washington, D.C., and detonate it. And in general wreak havoc on our economy through these actions. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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In a message dated 9/24/07 9:18:34 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (Koran of Medina ) 8:12 : “I will be with you. Give strength to the believers. I will send terror into the unbelievers’ hearts, cut off their heads and even the tips of their fingers!†Bible: Numbers 31:1-54 - Under God's direction, Moses' army defeats the Midianites. They kill all the adult males, but take the women and children captive. When Moses learns that they left some live, he angrily says: Have you saved all the women alive? Kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. So they went back and did as Moses (and presumably God) instructed, killing everyone except for the virgins. In this way they got 32,000 virgins -- Wow! And what modern day terrorists continue to kill their enemies based upon these two scriptures? ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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In a message dated 9/24/07 10:53:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dix, I gotta say, I also was not so enamored with this video. Maybe because I had a younger cousin Judy, who would sing the four questions during Passover in the most sweet and wonderful voice. Nothing could top that in my mind. So what's the big deal about a kid with a sweet voice singing verses from the Koran. I think most kids have sweet voices, and are innocent, and all that. lurk Actually Lurk I thought the little boy was quite cute and sang beautifully, but for somebody to say they were almost converted to Islam on the spot, based on a cute child, sweet voice and luring melody was pretty emotional and lacked reason. Words have meaning. What was he actually saying? That is why I commented, was this the verse about the rocks crying out there is a Jew behind me , come and kill him! ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/24/07 9:18:34 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (Koran of Medina ) 8:12 : ââ¬ÅI will be with you. Give strength to the believers. I will send terror into the unbelieversââ¬â¢ hearts, cut off their heads and even the tips of their fingers!ââ¬Â Bible: Numbers 31:1-54 - Under God's direction, Moses' army defeats the Midianites. They kill all the adult males, but take the women and children captive. When Moses learns that they left some live, he angrily says: Have you saved all the women alive? Kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. So they went back and did as Moses (and presumably God) instructed, killing everyone except for the virgins. In this way they got 32,000 virgins -- Wow! And what modern day terrorists continue to kill their enemies based upon these two scriptures? Very few. Thank God.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/24/07 10:53:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dix, I gotta say, I also was not so enamored with this video. Maybe because I had a younger cousin Judy, who would sing the four questions during Passover in the most sweet and wonderful voice. Nothing could top that in my mind. So what's the big deal about a kid with a sweet voice singing verses from the Koran. I think most kids have sweet voices, and are innocent, and all that. lurk Actually Lurk I thought the little boy was quite cute and sang beautifully, but for somebody to say they were almost converted to Islam on the spot, based on a cute child, sweet voice and luring melody was pretty emotional and lacked reason. Words have meaning. What was he actually saying? That is why I commented, was this the verse about the rocks crying out there is a Jew behind me , come and kill him! Predisposed bigotry, plain and simple.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: Actually Lurk I thought the little boy was quite cute and sang beautifully, but for somebody to say they were almost converted to Islam on the spot, based on a cute child, sweet voice and luring melody was pretty emotional and lacked reason. Words have meaning. What was he actually saying? That is why I commented, was this the verse about the rocks crying out there is a Jew behind me , come and kill him! Predisposed bigotry, plain and simple. Actually, MDixon is making a very valid point, and I hear *you* demonstrating predisposed bigotry, plain and simple, not him. His point is a good one. What did the verse *say*. For Judy to make such a remark as I was almost converted to Islam on the spot about hearing a voice *and not having any idea what it was saying* was stupid to the max. He could have been singing the Koran's counterpart to the Biblical verse you cited for all she knew. And believing every word of it. He could have been singing the verse from the Koran that MDixon cites above. The thing is, *you don't know*. And neither does Judy. And yet she was willing to allow emotion to color her thinking enough to say something silly like she said. And you've been even worse, trying to paint MDixon as a bigot when, from my point of view, he hasn't said anything the least bit bigoted. He was just pointing out yours and Judy's knee-jerk reactions to certain things that you tend to become knee jerks about. The bigot in this scenario is *you*, John. You're actively trying to characterize MDixon's position as being very different than it is. I don't agree with many of his political leanings, either, but unlike you I don't feel the need to demonize him for holding them. You do.
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In a message dated 9/25/07 6:57:37 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually Lurk I thought the little boy was quite cute and sang beautifully, but for somebody to say they were almost converted to Islam on the spot, based on a cute child, sweet voice and luring melody was pretty emotional and lacked reason. Words have meaning. What was he actually saying? That is why I commented, was this the verse about the rocks crying out there is a Jew behind me , come and kill him! Predisposed bigotry, plain and simple. Actually, I was questioning somebody's wisdom. However you referred to all those web sites, complete with video, showing how Palestinian Television teaches their children to hate and kill Jews in the name of God as mere Israeli propaganda and unbelievable or should I say a bunch of *Zionist lies*, now that is real bigotry. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: Actually Lurk I thought the little boy was quite cute and sang beautifully, but for somebody to say they were almost converted to Islam on the spot, based on a cute child, sweet voice and luring melody was pretty emotional and lacked reason. Words have meaning. What was he actually saying? That is why I commented, was this the verse about the rocks crying out there is a Jew behind me , come and kill him! Predisposed bigotry, plain and simple. Actually, MDixon is making a very valid point, No. He isn't. He's predisposed to assume that because the boy is singing from the Koran that he's singing something against Jews. That's predisposed bigotry. and I hear *you* demonstrating predisposed bigotry, plain and simple, not him. Where, specifically? His point is a good one. What did the verse *say*. For Judy to make such a remark as I was almost converted to Islam on the spot about hearing a voice *and not having any idea what it was saying* was stupid to the max. He could have been singing the Koran's counterpart to the Biblical verse you cited for all she knew. And believing every word of it. He could have been singing the verse from the Koran that MDixon cites above. I've said absolutely nothing about Judy's comment. But according to Judy, Dixon's verse is a hadith, not a verse from the Koran. A hadith is a passed on saying. I'd make it akin to the 'Christian' saying God helps those who help themselves which also is not found in any Biblical scripture. The thing is, *you don't know*. And neither does Judy. And neither does Dixon. And yet she was willing to allow emotion to color her thinking enough to say something silly like she said. I've said absolutely nothing about Judy's comment. If you have a problem with what Judy said then take it up with her. And you've been even worse, trying to paint MDixon as a bigot Nope. He's painted *himself* as a bigot. I've merely pointed it out. when, from my point of view, he hasn't said anything the least bit bigoted. He was just pointing out yours and Judy's knee-jerk reactions to certain things that you tend to become knee jerks about. Where? The bigot in this scenario is *you*, John. You're actively trying to characterize MDixon's position as being very different than it is. No. I'm pointing out that his position is predisposed bigotry, which it is. I don't agree with many of his political leanings, either, but unlike you I don't feel the need to demonize him for holding them. You do. A bigot is a bigot. Quit trying to play people against each other for your ego facade, Barry. It's humiliatingly [for you] transparent.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/25/07 6:57:37 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually Lurk I thought the little boy was quite cute and sang beautifully, but for somebody to say they were almost converted to Islam on the spot, based on a cute child, sweet voice and luring melody was pretty emotional and lacked reason. Words have meaning. What was he actually saying? That is why I commented, was this the verse about the rocks crying out there is a Jew behind me , come and kill him! Predisposed bigotry, plain and simple. Actually, I was questioning somebody's wisdom. However you referred to all those web sites, complete with video, showing how Palestinian Television teaches their children to hate and kill Jews in the name of God as mere Israeli propaganda and unbelievable or should I say a bunch of *Zionist lies*, now that is real bigotry. For you to expect me or anyone else to accept blatant biased propaganda as truth is laughable, and in the end self-defeating for you. You can lie to yourself all you want, but don't expect everyone else to buy into your bullshit.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: Actually Lurk I thought the little boy was quite cute and sang beautifully, but for somebody to say they were almost converted to Islam on the spot, based on a cute child, sweet voice and alluring melody was pretty emotional and lacked reason. Words have meaning. What was he actually saying? That is why I commented, was this the verse about the rocks crying out there is a Jew behind me , come and kill him! Predisposed bigotry, plain and simple. Actually, MDixon is making a very valid point, and I hear *you* demonstrating predisposed bigotry, plain and simple, not him. His point is a good one. What did the verse *say*. For Judy to make such a remark as I was almost converted to Islam on the spot about hearing a voice *and not having any idea what it was saying* was stupid to the max. He could have been singing the Koran's counterpart to the Biblical verse you cited for all she knew. And believing every word of it. He could have been singing the verse from the Koran that MDixon cites above. The thing is, *you don't know*. And neither does Judy. And yet she was willing to allow emotion to color her thinking enough to say something silly like she said. And you've been even worse, trying to paint MDixon as a bigot when, from my point of view, he hasn't said anything the least bit bigoted. He was just pointing out yours and Judy's knee-jerk reactions to certain things that you tend to become knee jerks about. The bigot in this scenario is *you*, John. You're actively trying to characterize MDixon's position as being very different than it is. I don't agree with many of his political leanings, either, but unlike you I don't feel the need to demonize him for holding them. You do. Right, instead Barry demonizes John for calling MDixon on his bigotry, and me for purportedly being so caught up in emotion that I'd consider converting to Islam on the basis of two and a half minutes' worth of a kid's recitation in a language I have no knowledge of. I mean, what amazing hypocrisy. That Barry and MDixon both assumed my comment was anything but obvious *hyperbole* (look it up) is the real stupid knee-jerk reaction. I said to start with: Put aside any Islamophobia you may have and just listen to the extraordinary beauty of his voice. MDixon couldn't manage to do that. People who refuse to demonize bigotry, IMHO, are unwitting enablers of it. As my father used to say, Don't let your mind be so open your brains fall out. John's quite right, MDixon's reaction was bigoted to the max. Like most bigots, he's appallingly ignorant of what he's bigoted *about*. The words he quoted weren't even from the Koran, nor does he have any idea whether they were an accurate translation. And Barry thought MDixon was quoting from the *Bible*, for pete's sake, speaking not only of ignorance but of being so eager to demonize two of his enemies that he couldn't even be bothered to read the exchange.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Actually Lurk I thought the little boy was quite cute and sang beautifully, but for somebody to say they were almost converted to Islam on the spot, based on a cute child, sweet voice and luring melody was pretty emotional and lacked reason. What lacks reason, MDixon, is that you took my obviously wildly hyperbolic comment literally. Unbelievable.
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In a message dated 9/25/07 9:46:19 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) , [EMAIL PROTECTED], MDi snip Actually Lurk I thought the little boy was quite cute and sang beautifully, but for somebody to say they were almost converted to Islam on the spot, based on a cute child, sweet voice and luring melody was pretty emotional and lacked reason. What lacks reason, MDixon, is that you took my obviously wildly hyperbolic comment literally. Unbelievable. Judy, didn't you tell me once that you almost converted to Judaism? For me to say your comment was based on emotion and lacked reason would make your statement obviously hyperbolic in nature to me and that is why I called him a *cute little devil*. I was mimicking your hyperbole.. My comment about what verse he was singing, was simply to remind you how Muslim scripture, whether it is Koran or not, views Jews and for that matter any non believer and that was only ONE example!. You can call that bigoted all you want but that is the reality that about 7 million Jews in Israel face on a daily basis. I provided web sites backing up this view that Palestinians indoctrinate their children with and of course John buries his head in the sand and calls it Israeli propaganda not to be believed. You never commented on that. Do you believe those web sites were Israeli propaganda and lies? Now,I don't believe that every Muslim in the world wants to kill every Jew, but I seriously doubt that many would be overly concerned if there was another Holocaust and Israel driven into the Mediterranean,unless of course,Israel took a bunch of Muslims with them. Ah yes, another bigoted statement,right? That is based upon my understanding of the Islamic view of *End Times* and the Madhi. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/25/07 9:46:19 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) , MDixon6569@, MDi snip Actually Lurk I thought the little boy was quite cute and sang beautifully, but for somebody to say they were almost converted to Islam on the spot, based on a cute child, sweet voice and luring melody was pretty emotional and lacked reason. What lacks reason, MDixon, is that you took my obviously wildly hyperbolic comment literally. Unbelievable. Judy, didn't you tell me once that you almost converted to Judaism? For me to say your comment was based on emotion and lacked reason would make your statement obviously hyperbolic in nature to me and that is why I called him a *cute little devil*. I was mimicking your hyperbole. Exactly. Even I got that. And you *know* how I loathe some of your political ideas, right? :-) So if I could get it, and get the point you were making, why couldn't...uh...others? Could it possibly be...uh...taking themselves a bit too *seriously*? It's actually taken me quite a while to get your sense of humor, dude, but I'm quite appreciating it now that I have. Party on, Garth.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Incredible little kid reading from the Koran: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjamfcjoLFA Ok, not bad. Now here is a Keltic voice that will make you drop to your knees: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KRDCD_O4Cs OffWorld By the way make sure you get past the fact that it is a cartoon and wait for the song to begin. What happens to you all? Nothing? Are you dead or alive? OffWorld .
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Off_World, it's beautiful; I remember watching this when my children were little. We loved the picture book and this video was one of our favorites. I hadn't seen it for a long time and it was fine to be reminded of it again. Thanks. Marek ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Incredible little kid reading from the Koran: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjamfcjoLFA Ok, not bad. Now here is a Keltic voice that will make you drop to your knees: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KRDCD_O4Cs OffWorld By the way make sure you get past the fact that it is a cartoon and wait for the song to begin. What happens to you all? Nothing? Are you dead or alive? OffWorld .
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 9/25/07 9:46:19 A.M. Central Daylight Time, jstein@ writes: In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) , MDixon6569@, MDi snip Actually Lurk I thought the little boy was quite cute and sang beautifully, but for somebody to say they were almost converted to Islam on the spot, based on a cute child, sweet voice and luring melody was pretty emotional and lacked reason. What lacks reason, MDixon, is that you took my obviously wildly hyperbolic comment literally. Unbelievable. Judy, didn't you tell me once that you almost converted to Judaism? For me to say your comment was based on emotion and lacked reason would make your statement obviously hyperbolic in nature to me and that is why I called him a *cute little devil*. I was mimicking your hyperbole. Exactly. Even I got that. And you *know* how I loathe some of your political ideas, right? :-) So if I could get it, and get the point you were making, why couldn't...uh...others? No, sorry, this is all crapola. MDixon, I didn't think seriously about converting to Judaism on the basis of listening to a little kid chanting during his bar mitzvah on a two-and- a-half-minute video. Apples and oranges. I don't even know why you'd bring it up unless it was to suggest that my remark about converting to Islam was serious. My comment about the kid Koran singer *was supposed to be humorous*. Humor frequently lacks reason. Silliness--including in the form of obvious hyperbole--is one good way to tell a remark is meant, you know, humorously. Humor also, however, frequently reflects something real. In making this obviously humorous comment, I was acknowledging that I had been moved by the beauty of the kid's singing--by the *music*. Even if the words were the most hateful imaginable, the music and the kid's voice would still be beautiful. So there's zero basis for you to mock me for appreciating the music on the grounds that I didn't know what the words meant. Barry characterized my remark as a knee-jerk reaction. If he considers responding to beauty as nothing but a knee jerk, I feel very sorry for him. And if he doesn't think emotion can be reflected in humor, he deserves everyone's pity. Could it possibly be...uh...taking themselves a bit too *seriously*? Yes, Barry and MDixon were both taking *me* more than a bit too seriously, MDixon because of his bigoted view of Muslims, Barry because he saw a chance to demonize me. They were the guys afflicted with jerky knees, and as a result, they both now have their mouths crammed with feet and are having great difficulty saying anything even remotely sensible.
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On Sep 25, 2007, at 9:20 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Actually Lurk I thought the little boy was quite cute and sang beautifully, but for somebody to say they were almost converted to Islam on the spot, based on a cute child, sweet voice and luring melody was pretty emotional and lacked reason. What lacks reason, MDixon, is that you took my obviously wildly hyperbolic comment literally. Unbelievable. A perfect example, Judy, of becoming a victim of your own-hyper-vigilance: I took it exactly the same way MD did as well. It didn't sound to me at all like hyperbole, the way you phrased it. And, seeing as how you are all for holding everyone's feet to the fire to say *exactly* what they mean, I took it at face value. Of course I found it odd, but without emoticons, it sounded like it might be a possibility, however remote. BTW, speaking of hyper-vigilance, you're up to 39. Sayonara until Saturday. Sal
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It should be pointed out that the following post, which I didn't bother to read, marks the 40th post this week to Fairfield Life by Judith Stern. She *knows* that she's way over the agreed-upon limit, and she *doesn't care*. What she feels compelled to say is far more important that what the limits that the community here has agreed upon. That's all I wanted to point out. Do with it what you will... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 9/25/07 9:46:19 A.M. Central Daylight Time, jstein@ writes: In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) , MDixon6569@, MDi snip Actually Lurk I thought the little boy was quite cute and sang beautifully, but for somebody to say they were almost converted to Islam on the spot, based on a cute child, sweet voice and luring melody was pretty emotional and lacked reason. What lacks reason, MDixon, is that you took my obviously wildly hyperbolic comment literally. Unbelievable. Judy, didn't you tell me once that you almost converted to Judaism? For me to say your comment was based on emotion and lacked reason would make your statement obviously hyperbolic in nature to me and that is why I called him a *cute little devil*. I was mimicking your hyperbole. Exactly. Even I got that. And you *know* how I loathe some of your political ideas, right? :-) So if I could get it, and get the point you were making, why couldn't...uh...others? No, sorry, this is all crapola. MDixon, I didn't think seriously about converting to Judaism on the basis of listening to a little kid chanting during his bar mitzvah on a two-and- a-half-minute video. Apples and oranges. I don't even know why you'd bring it up unless it was to suggest that my remark about converting to Islam was serious. My comment about the kid Koran singer *was supposed to be humorous*. Humor frequently lacks reason. Silliness--including in the form of obvious hyperbole--is one good way to tell a remark is meant, you know, humorously. Humor also, however, frequently reflects something real. In making this obviously humorous comment, I was acknowledging that I had been moved by the beauty of the kid's singing--by the *music*. Even if the words were the most hateful imaginable, the music and the kid's voice would still be beautiful. So there's zero basis for you to mock me for appreciating the music on the grounds that I didn't know what the words meant. Barry characterized my remark as a knee-jerk reaction. If he considers responding to beauty as nothing but a knee jerk, I feel very sorry for him. And if he doesn't think emotion can be reflected in humor, he deserves everyone's pity. Could it possibly be...uh...taking themselves a bit too *seriously*? Yes, Barry and MDixon were both taking *me* more than a bit too seriously, MDixon because of his bigoted view of Muslims, Barry because he saw a chance to demonize me. They were the guys afflicted with jerky knees, and as a result, they both now have their mouths crammed with feet and are having great difficulty saying anything even remotely sensible.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It should be pointed out that the following post, which I didn't bother to read, marks the 40th post this week to Fairfield Life by Judith Stern. She *knows* that she's way over the agreed-upon limit, and she *doesn't care*. What she feels compelled to say is far more important that what the limits that the community here has agreed upon. That's all I wanted to point out. Do with it what you will... And while you're figuring out what to do about my terrible crime of going five (now six) posts over the limit, you might also consider what to do about the fact that Barry is completely ignoring the rule that the same community agreed on about refraining from personal attacks--not just in this post, but in the one I was responding to quoted below and the one in the same thread before that, not to mention several others this week that have passed without mention. He *knows* he's doing it, but he just *doesn't care*. The attacks he feels compelled to make are far more important than the rules that the community here has agreed upon. He made that clear awhile back when he insulted Bronte.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 25, 2007, at 9:20 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: snip Actually Lurk I thought the little boy was quite cute and sang beautifully, but for somebody to say they were almost converted to Islam on the spot, based on a cute child, sweet voice and luring melody was pretty emotional and lacked reason. What lacks reason, MDixon, is that you took my obviously wildly hyperbolic comment literally. Unbelievable. A perfect example, Judy, of becoming a victim of your own-hyper-vigilance: I took it exactly the same way MD did as well. It didn't sound to me at all like hyperbole, the way you phrased it. And, seeing as how you are all for holding everyone's feet to the fire to say *exactly* what they mean, I took it at face value. Of course I found it odd, but without emoticons, it sounded like it might be a possibility, however remote. I can't seriously believe that anyone, particularly anyone who knows Judy, could seriously conclude by what she said that she really *did* mean convert to Islam simply because of hearing a song - no matter how beautiful. I don't know what your history is with Judy, Sal, but I suspect that you, like Dixon and Barry, have been a recipient of her criticism and don't mind finding any excuse to attack her. BTW, speaking of hyper-vigilance, you're up to 39. Sayonara until Saturday. Sal
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On Sep 25, 2007, at 7:54 PM, do.rflex wrote: I can't seriously believe that anyone, particularly anyone who knows Judy, could seriously conclude by what she said that she really *did* mean convert to Islam simply because of hearing a song - no matter how beautiful. I don't know what your history is with Judy, Sal, but I suspect that you, like Dixon and Barry, have been a recipient of her criticism and don't mind finding any excuse to attack her. Well, your suspicions are wrong. Sal
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: It should be pointed out that the following post, which I didn't bother to read, marks the 40th post this week to Fairfield Life by Judith Stern. She *knows* that she's way over the agreed-upon limit, and she *doesn't care*. What she feels compelled to say is far more important that what the limits that the community here has agreed upon. Sadly, I heard that Rick has passed on to bigger and better things, so there is nothing he can do about the breaking of the rules on FFL anymore. We miss ya Rick ! OffWorld .
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In a message dated 9/22/07 1:32:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) , Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy, big thanks for the little Koran kid; pure stuff. Almost converted me to Islam on the spot. You'd think it would take decades to learn to do that wonderful ornamentation so cleanly and gorgeously, but the kid just *owns* it. He sure was a cute *little devil* wasn't he? Was this the verse that says the rocks shall cry out, there's a Jew behind me , come and kill him? ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/22/07 1:32:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) , Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy, big thanks for the little Koran kid; pure stuff. Almost converted me to Islam on the spot. You'd think it would take decades to learn to do that wonderful ornamentation so cleanly and gorgeously, but the kid just *owns* it. He sure was a cute *little devil* wasn't he? Was this the verse that says the rocks shall cry out, there's a Jew behind me , come and kill him? Bigotry is alive and well.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/22/07 1:32:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) , Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy, big thanks for the little Koran kid; pure stuff. Almost converted me to Islam on the spot. You'd think it would take decades to learn to do that wonderful ornamentation so cleanly and gorgeously, but the kid just *owns* it. He sure was a cute *little devil* wasn't he? Was this the verse that says the rocks shall cry out, there's a Jew behind me, come and kill him? Was *which* the verse?? The Koran is in Arabic, actually, which I don't speak, so I was just appreciating the music of the recitation. Any religion that can come up with something that extaordinarily beautiful has to have something going for it. However, what you quote is a hadith; it's not from the Koran. And while much has been made on right-wing Web sites of this hadith, moderate Muslims interpret it to refer not to Jews generally but rather to specific Jews who have committed violent acts against Muslims.
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In a message dated 9/24/07 9:44:12 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: He sure was a cute *little devil* wasn't he? Was this the verse that says the rocks shall cry out, there's a Jew behind me, come and kill him? Was *which* the verse?? The Koran is in Arabic, actually, which I don't speak, so I was just appreciating the music of the recitation. Any religion that can come up with something that extaordinarily beautiful has to have something going for it. However, what you quote is a hadith; it's not from the Koran. And while much has been made on right-wing Web sites of this hadith, moderate Muslims interpret it to refer not to Jews generally but rather to specific Jews who have committed violent acts against Muslims. Would *violent acts against Muslims* include Zionists establishing a Zionist state? ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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In a message dated 9/24/07 8:58:35 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Judy, big thanks for the little Koran kid; pure stuff. Almost converted me to Islam on the spot. You'd think it would take decades to learn to do that wonderful ornamentation so cleanly and gorgeously, but the kid just *owns* it. He sure was a cute *little devil* wasn't he? Was this the verse that says the rocks shall cry out, there's a Jew behind me , come and kill him? Bigotry is alive and well. Yeah, and it's doubly a shame when it is taught from childhood as a religious duty, not necessarily this particular child , but what is broadcast to Palestinian children on Palestinian TV. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/24/07 8:58:35 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Judy, big thanks for the little Koran kid; pure stuff. Almost converted me to Islam on the spot. You'd think it would take decades to learn to do that wonderful ornamentation so cleanly and gorgeously, but the kid just *owns* it. He sure was a cute *little devil* wasn't he? Was this the verse that says the rocks shall cry out, there's a Jew behind me , come and kill him? Bigotry is alive and well. Yeah, and it's doubly a shame when it is taught from childhood as a religious duty, not necessarily this particular child , but what is broadcast to Palestinian children on Palestinian TV. You mean like the US right wing demonization of Muslims and Islam and like you're doing by your bigotted comments?
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In a message dated 9/24/07 11:40:40 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: He sure was a cute *little devil* wasn't he? Was this the verse that says the rocks shall cry out, there's a Jew behind me , come and kill him? Bigotry is alive and well. Yeah, and it's doubly a shame when it is taught from childhood as a religious duty, not necessarily this particular child , but what is broadcast to Palestinian children on Palestinian TV. You mean like the US right wing demonization of Muslims and Islam and like you're doing by your bigotted comments? No, nothing like that. When was the last time you saw a children's program in the US calling for everyone to go out and kill a Muslim or call them apes? What specifically have I said that was bigoted? ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/24/07 9:44:12 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: He sure was a cute *little devil* wasn't he? Was this the verse that says the rocks shall cry out, there's a Jew behind me, come and kill him? Was *which* the verse?? The Koran is in Arabic, actually, which I don't speak, so I was just appreciating the music of the recitation. Any religion that can come up with something that extaordinarily beautiful has to have something going for it. However, what you quote is a hadith; it's not from the Koran. And while much has been made on right-wing Web sites of this hadith, moderate Muslims interpret it to refer not to Jews generally but rather to specific Jews who have committed violent acts against Muslims. Would *violent acts against Muslims* include Zionists establishing a Zionist state? For moderate Muslims? I kind of doubt it, don't you?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/24/07 11:40:40 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: He sure was a cute *little devil* wasn't he? Was this the verse that says the rocks shall cry out, there's a Jew behind me , come and kill him? Bigotry is alive and well. Yeah, and it's doubly a shame when it is taught from childhood as a religious duty, not necessarily this particular child , but what is broadcast to Palestinian children on Palestinian TV. You mean like the US right wing demonization of Muslims and Islam and like you're doing by your bigotted comments? No, nothing like that. When was the last time you saw a children's program in the US calling for everyone to go out and kill a Muslim or call them apes? Call for references that Palestinian TV has children's programs calling for everyone to go out and kill a Muslim or call them apes. What specifically have I said that was bigoted? Your whole context is bigoted and it smacks of the contemporary Christian Right and the right wing media [particularly talk radio] attitude of anti-Muslim ideology.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 9/24/07 11:40:40 A.M. Central Daylight Time, do.rflex@ writes: He sure was a cute *little devil* wasn't he? Was this the verse that says the rocks shall cry out, there's a Jew behind me , come and kill him? Bigotry is alive and well. Yeah, and it's doubly a shame when it is taught from childhood as a religious duty, not necessarily this particular child , but what is broadcast to Palestinian children on Palestinian TV. You mean like the US right wing demonization of Muslims and Islam and like you're doing by your bigotted comments? No, nothing like that. When was the last time you saw a children's program in the US calling for everyone to go out and kill a Muslim or call them apes? CORRECTION: Call for references that Palestinian TV has children's programs calling for everyone to go out and kill a [Jew] or call them apes. What specifically have I said that was bigoted? Your whole context is bigoted and it smacks of the contemporary Christian Right and the right wing media [particularly talk radio] attitude of anti-Muslim ideology.
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In a message dated 9/24/07 12:24:00 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No, nothing like that. When was the last time you saw a children's program in the US calling for everyone to go out and kill a Muslim or call them apes? Call for references that Palestinian TV has children's programs calling for everyone to go out and kill a Muslim or call them apes. What specifically have I said that was bigoted? Your whole context is bigoted and it smacks of the contemporary Christian Right and the right wing media [particularly talk radio] attitude of anti-Muslim ideology. Gladly!_‘Palestinian’ Education from Hell « Arab racism Islamo fascism_ (http://arabracismislamofascism.wordpress.com/2007/03/21/palestinian-education-fro m-hell/) _Teach Kids Peace – 'Sesame Street' Show Teaches Kids to Hate and Kill_ (http://www.teachkidspeace.org/doc112.php) Here are two for you to mull over. There are many more. Calling for an explanation of a religious belief that evokes high emotion and political activism, that often ends in death for a group of people, is hardly anti- Islamic, unless of course it happens to be an embarrassing belief. The light of truth can make one uncomfortable. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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In a message dated 9/24/07 12:22:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Would *violent acts against Muslims* include Zionists establishing a Zionist state? For moderate Muslims? I kind of doubt it, don't you? I guess that would depend on how you define *moderate* Muslims. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/24/07 12:24:00 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No, nothing like that. When was the last time you saw a children's program in the US calling for everyone to go out and kill a Muslim or call them apes? Call for references that Palestinian TV has children's programs calling for everyone to go out and kill a Muslim or call them apes. What specifically have I said that was bigoted? Your whole context is bigoted and it smacks of the contemporary Christian Right and the right wing media [particularly talk radio] attitude of anti-Muslim ideology. Gladly!_âPalestinianâ Education from Hell « Arab racism Islamo fascism_ (http://arabracismislamofascism.wordpress.com/2007/03/21/palestinian-education-fro m-hell/) _Teach Kids Peace â 'Sesame Street' Show Teaches Kids to Hate and Kill_ (http://www.teachkidspeace.org/doc112.php) Here are two for you to mull over. There are many more. That's Israeli government propaganda, plain and simple. That's my view, unless you can provide verifiable unbiased corroboration. Calling for an explanation of a religious belief that evokes high emotion and political activism, that often ends in death for a group of people, is hardly anti- Islamic, unless of course it happens to be an embarrassing belief. The light of truth can make one uncomfortable.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/24/07 12:24:00 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [snip] What specifically have I said that was bigoted? Your whole context is bigoted and it smacks of the contemporary Christian Right and the right wing media [particularly talk radio] attitude of anti-Muslim ideology. [snip] Calling for an explanation of a religious belief that evokes high emotion and political activism, that often ends in death for a group of people, is hardly anti- Islamic, unless of course it happens to be an embarrassing belief. Yes. That's sounds just like some of the 'beliefs' of those in the Christian Right and the right wing media who demonize Muslims. Kinda like Michael Savage who wanted to stick dynamite up their asses, light the fuse and drop them out of airplanes. Or Anne Coulter who recommended we invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. Or Glenn Beck During a November 14, 2006, interview with Rep. Keith Ellison (D-MN), the first Muslim elected to Congress, Beck said to the congressman: What I feel like saying is, 'Sir, prove to me that you are not working with our enemies. (Beck later apologized for what he said was a poorly worded question.) On his shows, Beck repeatedly belittles the Muslim faith by mocking Muslim names and through actions such as mark[ing] the death of Al Qaeda in Iraq leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi with a Zarqawi bacon cake. Jerry Falwell, I think Mohammed was a terrorist.
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In a message dated 9/24/07 6:32:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That's Israeli government propaganda, plain and simple. That's my view, unless you can provide verifiable unbiased corroboration. Those lying Jews! Right? ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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In a message dated 9/24/07 6:32:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That's Israeli government propaganda, plain and simple. That's my view, unless you can provide verifiable unbiased corroboration. _YouTube - Palestinian TV: Inciting Children To Commit a Massacre_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEcaI7zQG3E) Seeing is believing...in some cases. Of course those *lying Jews* probably mistranslated the subtitles. Right? ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/24/07 6:32:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That's Israeli government propaganda, plain and simple. That's my view, unless you can provide verifiable unbiased corroboration. Those lying Jews! Right? The right wing government in Jerusalem is no stranger to propaganda and their AIPAC lobby is more than formidable.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/24/07 6:32:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That's Israeli government propaganda, plain and simple. That's my view, unless you can provide verifiable unbiased corroboration. _YouTube - Palestinian TV: Inciting Children To Commit a Massacre_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEcaI7zQG3E) Seeing is believing...in some cases. Of course those *lying Jews* probably mistranslated the subtitles. Right? pmw.org is clearly an Israeli propaganda website. Who do you think you're kidding?
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In a message dated 9/24/07 7:07:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Calling for an explanation of a religious belief that evokes high emotion and political activism, that often ends in death for a group of people, is hardly anti- Islamic, unless of course it happens to be an embarrassing belief. Yes. That's sounds just like some of the 'beliefs' of those in the Christian Right and the right wing media who demonize Muslims. Kinda like Michael Savage who wanted to stick dynamite up their asses, light the fuse and drop them out of airplanes. Or Anne Coulter who recommended we invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. Or Glenn Beck During a November 14, 2006, interview with Rep. Keith Ellison (D-MN), the first Muslim elected to Congress, Beck said to the congressman: What I feel like saying is, 'Sir, prove to me that you are not working with our enemies. (Beck later apologized for what he said was a poorly worded question.) On his shows, Beck repeatedly belittles the Muslim faith by mocking Muslim names and through actions such as mark[ing] the death of Al Qaeda in Iraq leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi with a Zarqawi bacon cake. Jerry Falwell, I think Mohammed was a terrorist. So which one of these people is quoting a religious text calling for anybody's death? Michael Savage isn't a Christian, he's a Jew. Ann Coulter's comment, as I recall, was tongue in cheek. Glenn Beck mocked a dead terrorist not a religion and Jerry Falwell just may have been right about Mohammed being a terrorist due to all the killings he was responsible for on scriptural grounds (Koran of Medina ) 8:12 : “I will be with you. Give strength to the believers. I will send terror into the unbelievers’ hearts, cut off their heads and even the tips of their fingers!” ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/24/07 7:07:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Calling for an explanation of a religious belief that evokes high emotion and political activism, that often ends in death for a group of people, is hardly anti- Islamic, unless of course it happens to be an embarrassing belief. Yes. That's sounds just like some of the 'beliefs' of those in the Christian Right and the right wing media who demonize Muslims. Kinda like Michael Savage who wanted to stick dynamite up their asses, light the fuse and drop them out of airplanes. Or Anne Coulter who recommended we invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. Or Glenn Beck During a November 14, 2006, interview with Rep. Keith Ellison (D-MN), the first Muslim elected to Congress, Beck said to the congressman: What I feel like saying is, 'Sir, prove to me that you are not working with our enemies. (Beck later apologized for what he said was a poorly worded question.) On his shows, Beck repeatedly belittles the Muslim faith by mocking Muslim names and through actions such as mark[ing] the death of Al Qaeda in Iraq leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi with a Zarqawi bacon cake. Jerry Falwell, I think Mohammed was a terrorist. So which one of these people is quoting a religious text calling for anybody's death? Michael Savage isn't a Christian, he's a Jew. Ann Coulter's comment, as I recall, was tongue in cheek. Glenn Beck mocked a dead terrorist not a religion and Jerry Falwell just may have been right about Mohammed being a terrorist due to all the killings he was responsible for on scriptural grounds (Koran of Medina ) 8:12 : âI will be with you. Give strength to the believers. I will send terror into the unbelieversâ hearts, cut off their heads and even the tips of their fingers!â Bible: Numbers 31:1-54 - Under God's direction, Moses' army defeats the Midianites. They kill all the adult males, but take the women and children captive. When Moses learns that they left some live, he angrily says: Have you saved all the women alive? Kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. So they went back and did as Moses (and presumably God) instructed, killing everyone except for the virgins. In this way they got 32,000 virgins -- Wow!
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, nothing like that. When was the last time you saw a children's program in the US calling for everyone to go out and kill a Muslim or call them apes? What specifically have I said that was bigoted? Dix, I gotta say, I also was not so enamored with this video. Maybe because I had a younger cousin Judy, who would sing the four questions during Passover in the most sweet and wonderful voice. Nothing could top that in my mind. So what's the big deal about a kid with a sweet voice singing verses from the Koran. I think most kids have sweet voices, and are innocent, and all that. lurk ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Incredible little kid reading from the Koran: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjamfcjoLFA Ok, not bad. Now here is a Keltic voice that will make you drop to your knees: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KRDCD_O4Cs OffWorld
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Thanks for this. The sweetness matches anything Charlotte Church put out. Like flowers in the wilderness -- kids -- so much innocence everywhere sprouting in boulder strewn fields of dogma. Anyone see Kid Nation the other night? For all the flaws, and despite Satan being introduced at the end, I cried many times seeing their romantic attachment to so many core values. It's touching to see and poignant to know how the world will forge them into otherwise. It remains to be seen if love of gold will begin that forging. I have a couple toddlers chewing my ankles, and they can take my breath away without breaking a sweat. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Incredible little kid reading from the Koran: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjamfcjoLFA Put aside any Islamophobia you may have and just listen to the extraordinary beauty of his voice.
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Judy, big thanks for the little Koran kid; pure stuff. It was funny that right after the clip finished and the next two suggested or related clips rolled up on the screen, one of them was Edg's latest Beatles Trikke clip. Not a big deal but a nice semi-synchronicity. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Incredible little kid reading from the Koran: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjamfcjoLFA Put aside any Islamophobia you may have and just listen to the extraordinary beauty of his voice.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy, big thanks for the little Koran kid; pure stuff. Almost converted me to Islam on the spot. You'd think it would take decades to learn to do that wonderful ornamentation so cleanly and gorgeously, but the kid just *owns* it. It was funny that right after the clip finished and the next two suggested or related clips rolled up on the screen, one of them was Edg's latest Beatles Trikke clip. Not a big deal but a nice semi-synchronicity. No kidding! And when I watched it again just now, not only Edg's Trikke clip came up, but also an old clip of Eddie Harris and Les McCann doing Compared to What? Great lyrics. Couple verses (written in the late '60s): The president, he's got his war. Folks don't know just what it's for Nobody gives us rhyme or reason Have one doubt, they call it treason We're chicken-feathers, all without one gut (God damn it!) Tryin' to make it real--compared to what?? Church on Sunday, sleep and nod Tryin' to duck the wrath of God Preacher's fillin' us with fright Tryin' to teach us what he thinks is right He really got to be some kind of nut (I can't use it!) Tryin' to make it real--compared to what?? Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OawoYrv9OUYNR=1 Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkDmSGU37l8 YouTube gettin' spiritual on us, it seems, to associate these clips.
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For me Islam is a great and exquisite take on life when seen through the eyes of Rumi (or at least, the Coleman Barks versions, and also Robert Bly's quasi-translations, too). This young boy's voice and expression dovetails with the feeling I get when I'm reading Rumi. Thanks again. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote: Judy, big thanks for the little Koran kid; pure stuff. Almost converted me to Islam on the spot. You'd think it would take decades to learn to do that wonderful ornamentation so cleanly and gorgeously, but the kid just *owns* it. It was funny that right after the clip finished and the next two suggested or related clips rolled up on the screen, one of them was Edg's latest Beatles Trikke clip. Not a big deal but a nice semi-synchronicity. No kidding! And when I watched it again just now, not only Edg's Trikke clip came up, but also an old clip of Eddie Harris and Les McCann doing Compared to What? Great lyrics. Couple verses (written in the late '60s): The president, he's got his war. Folks don't know just what it's for Nobody gives us rhyme or reason Have one doubt, they call it treason We're chicken-feathers, all without one gut (God damn it!) Tryin' to make it real--compared to what?? Church on Sunday, sleep and nod Tryin' to duck the wrath of God Preacher's fillin' us with fright Tryin' to teach us what he thinks is right He really got to be some kind of nut (I can't use it!) Tryin' to make it real--compared to what?? Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OawoYrv9OUYNR=1 Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkDmSGU37l8 YouTube gettin' spiritual on us, it seems, to associate these clips.
