[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In 1994 Hagelin was the recipient of an Ig Nobel Prize, which is for achievements that cannot, or should not, be reproduced, i.e., for pseudoscience. Following is a list of the 2006 Ig Noble Prize winners; the awards were given on October 5. Note that these are all for entirely legitimate scientific studies. The studies may be trivial, or ridiculous sounding, or useless; their results and/or conclusions may even turn not out to be valid. But they aren't pseudoscience. For that matter, Hagelin's D.C. study may in fact be pseudoscience. But you can't say so based on his having received an Ig Noble Prize. Achievements that cannot or should not be reproduced (Ig Noble's own tongue-in-cheek definition of what the the awards are given for) are not other words for pseudoscience. 2006 Ig Noble Prize Winners: ORNITHOLOGY- Ivan R. Schwab, of University of California Davis, and the late Philip R.A. May of the University of California Los Angeles, for exploring and explaining why woodpeckers don't get headaches. NUTRITION- Wasmia Al-Houty of Kuwait University and Faten Al-Mussalam of the Kuwait Environment Public Authority, for showing that dung beetles are finicky eaters. PEACE- Howard Stapleton of Merthyr Tydfil, Wales, for inventing an electromechanical teenager repellant -- a device that makes annoying noise designed to be audible to teenagers but not to adults; and for later using that same technology to make telephone ringtones that are audible to teenagers but not to their teachers. ACOUSTICS- D. Lynn Halpern (of Harvard Vanguard Medical Associates, and Brandeis University, and Northwestern University), Randolph Blake (of Vanderbilt University and Northwestern University) and James Hillenbrand (of Western Michigan University and Northwestern University) for conducting experiments to learn why people dislike the sound of fingernails scraping on a blackboard. MATHEMATICS- Nic Svenson and Piers Barnes of the Australian Commonwealth Scientific and Research Organization, for calculating the number of photographs you must take to (almost) ensure that nobody in a group photo will have their eyes closed. LITERATURE- Daniel Oppenheimer of Princeton University for his report Consequences of Erudite Vernacular Utilized Irrespective of Necessity: Problems with Using Long Words Needlessly. MEDICINE- Francis M. Fesmire of the University of Tennessee College of Medicine, for his medical case report Termination of Intractable Hiccups with Digital Rectal Massage; and Majed Odeh, Harry Bassan, and Arie Oliven of Bnai Zion Medical Center, Haifa, Israel, for their subsequent medical case report also titled Termination of Intractable Hiccups with Digital Rectal Massage. PHYSICS- Basile Audoly and Sebastien Neukirch of the Université Pierre et Marie Curie, in Paris, for their insights into why, when you bend dry spaghetti, it often breaks into more than two pieces. CHEMISTRY- Antonio Mulet, José Javier Benedito and José Bon of the University of Valencia, Spain, and Carmen Rosselló of the University of Illes Balears, in Palma de Mallorca, Spain, for their study Ultrasonic Velocity in Cheddar Cheese as Affected by Temperature. BIOLOGY- Bart Knols (of Wageningen Agricultural University, in Wageningen, the Netherlands; and of the National Institute for Medical Research, in Ifakara Centre, Tanzania, and of the International Atomic Energy Agency, in Vienna Austria) and Ruurd de Jong (of Wageningen Agricultural University and of Santa Maria degli Angeli, Italy) for showing that the female malaria mosquito Anopheles gambiae is attracted equally to the smell of limburger cheese and to the smell of human feet. --From Mini-Air, a free [email] newsletter of tidbits too tiny to fit in the bi-monthly paper magazine Annals of Improbable Research (AIR). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Should anyone ever been seen floating during a YF competition, and James Randi forced to pay up his $1 million challenge, the ME might well be revisited in a big way by the larger scientific community. Should pigs fly, the bacon industry might go right into the toilet. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Should anyone ever been seen floating during a YF competition, and James Randi forced to pay up his $1 million challenge, the ME might well be revisited in a big way by the larger scientific community. Should pigs fly, the bacon industry might go right into the toilet. :-) Why? Pig wings would be a hot seller in bars... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid
On Jan 8, 2006, at 8:29 PM, sparaig wrote:The ME theory is a large numbers theory. The crime rate of Fairfield could be skewed by having a single pickpocket living among the sidhas. For that matter, the traffic accident rate during the Taste of Utopia course could go up because the town's adult population more than doubled (tripled) during that time. To accurately measure the predicted claims of the ME, you would need a much larger statistical sample population for them to effect than Fairfield, IA, like Washington, DC. Just another TB rationalization to avoid accepting the obvious.If there was a known rise in traffic accidents due to increased congestion, that variable could and should be accounted for. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The ME theory is a large numbers theory. The crime rate of Fairfield could be skewed by having a single pickpocket living among the sidhas. For that matter, the traffic accident rate during the Taste of Utopia course could go up because the town's adult population more than doubled (tripled) during that time. To accurately measure the predicted claims of the ME, you would need a much larger statistical sample population for them to effect than Fairfield, IA, like Washington, DC. Another post hoc explanation. The ME theory as now constructed does not take sample size into consideration. What is the critical sample size and why? That's not to claim that there might not be SOME measurable positive effect, only that you can't really claim the ME to be supported or non-supported, based on Fairfield statistics (of course, the TMO does exactly that when it suits them, but that's the PR biz for you). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 8, 2006, at 8:29 PM, sparaig wrote: The ME theory is a large numbers theory. The crime rate of Fairfield could be skewed by having a single pickpocket living among the sidhas. For that matter, the traffic accident rate during the Taste of Utopia course could go up because the town's adult population more than doubled (tripled) during that time. To accurately measure the predicted claims of the ME, you would need a much larger statistical sample population for them to effect than Fairfield, IA, like Washington, DC. Just another TB rationalization to avoid accepting the obvious. Not real familiar with statistical principles, are you? Oh, and the ME has *always* been a large-numbers theory. If there was a known rise in traffic accidents due to increased congestion, that variable could and should be accounted for. It certainly should be included in the total number of traffic accidents for the (much larger) population the ME is said to apply to. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid
On Jan 9, 2006, at 10:20 AM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 8, 2006, at 8:29 PM, sparaig wrote: The ME theory is a large numbers theory. The crime rate of Fairfield could be skewed by having a single pickpocket living among the sidhas. For that matter, the traffic accident rate during the Taste of Utopia course could go up because the town's adult population more than doubled (tripled) during that time. To accurately measure the predicted claims of the ME, you would need a much larger statistical sample population for them to effect than Fairfield, IA, like Washington, DC. Just another TB rationalization to avoid accepting the obvious. Not real familiar with statistical principles, are you? Trained in advanced statistics...does that count?The variables he mentioned could be accounted for--and the TMO is certainly adept at number crunching and ambiguation. The fact that Crystal Meth is on the increase in the areas all around FF might be harder to hide.Maybe attracting factory Hog Farms is actually what CCP's do? Like mosquitoes to a light bulb?While the ME is an interesting hypothesis, that's all it really is at this point. Since repetition of these studies seems rather unlikely, it most likely will just remain fringe- or pseudo-science. But for some people it will be hard to let go of these dreams of glory daze and rising sunshine. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The ME theory is a large numbers theory. The crime rate of Fairfield could be skewed by having a single pickpocket living among the sidhas. For that matter, the traffic accident rate during the Taste of Utopia course could go up because the town's adult population more than doubled (tripled) during that time. To accurately measure the predicted claims of the ME, you would need a much larger statistical sample population for them to effect than Fairfield, IA, like Washington, DC. Another post hoc explanation. The ME theory as now constructed does not take sample size into consideration. What is the critical sample size and why? Sample size is not so much a key component of theory -- its a more practical consideration. Sample size determines both the size of the error term one wants to deal with, and the cost of the project. But its an steep slope exponential relationship. Halving the error term requires a 2^2 increase in sample size, and thus project costs. Your point is more applicable to overall research design: how many and what types of ME projects, in what types of cities, over what periods of time, and what corresponding physical (weather, etc) and social data (education, income, age, employment levels, etc.) that can be collected that is relevant to the analysis of exogenous explanatory variables etc. The reason for each research design decision is driven by the need for observing as much variation in the dependent variable (crime), driven driven by many diverse explatory variables. This diversity allows the teasing out, via powerful statiscal methods -- such as multiple regression -- which parts of the variation in the dependent variable (crime) are dirven by the independnet variable of interest (ME) and which are driven by physical, regioanl and social factors. Observing the effects on only one city, during one period of time, is roughly analogous to testing a new medicine on one patient. It may provide some insights, but not be conclusive. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 9, 2006, at 10:20 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 8, 2006, at 8:29 PM, sparaig wrote: The ME theory is a large numbers theory. The crime rate of Fairfield could be skewed by having a single pickpocket living among the sidhas. For that matter, the traffic accident rate during the Taste of Utopia course could go up because the town's adult population more than doubled (tripled) during that time. To accurately measure the predicted claims of the ME, you would need a much larger statistical sample population for them to effect than Fairfield, IA, like Washington, DC. Just another TB rationalization to avoid accepting the obvious. Not real familiar with statistical principles, are you? Trained in advanced statistics...does that count? Apparently not, given your comments. The variables he mentioned could be accounted for--and the TMO is certainly adept at number crunching and ambiguation. The fact that Crystal Meth is on the increase in the areas all around FF might be harder to hide. Non sequitur. Maybe attracting factory Hog Farms is actually what CCP's do? Like mosquitoes to a light bulb? Non sequitur. While the ME is an interesting hypothesis, that's all it really is at this point. Granted. There's some suggestive evidence for it, but it's certainly not conclusive. The point, however (as you know), is that it has not been *disproved* by the Fairfield crime numbers. Since repetition of these studies seems rather unlikely, it most likely will just remain fringe- or pseudo-science. Even if the ME exists, I seriously doubt it would ever be possible to validate it scientifically. But for some people it will be hard to let go of these dreams of glory daze and rising sunshine. You mean, like the fact that international conflict has very sharply declined in recent years? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid
On Jan 9, 2006, at 10:50 AM, authfriend wrote: But for some people it will be hard to let go of these dreams of glory daze and rising sunshine. You mean, like the fact that international conflict has very sharply declined in recent years? Do you think that's because of lowered numbers of Yogic Hoppers? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid - ME, large numbers, $$$
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 9, 2006, at 10:20 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 8, 2006, at 8:29 PM, sparaig wrote: The ME theory is a large numbers theory. The crime rate of Fairfield could be skewed by having a single pickpocket living among the sidhas. For that matter, the traffic accident rate during the Taste of Utopia course could go up because the town's adult population more than doubled (tripled) during that time. To accurately measure the predicted claims of the ME, you would need a much larger statistical sample population for them to effect than Fairfield, IA, like Washington, DC. Just another TB rationalization to avoid accepting the obvious. Not real familiar with statistical principles, are you? Trained in advanced statistics...does that count? The variables he mentioned could be accounted for--and the TMO is certainly adept at number crunching and ambiguation. The fact that Crystal Meth is on the increase in the areas all around FF might be harder to hide. Maybe attracting factory Hog Farms is actually what CCP's do? Like mosquitoes to a light bulb? While the ME is an interesting hypothesis, that's all it really is at this point. Since repetition of these studies seems rather unlikely, it most likely will just remain fringe- or pseudo-science. But for some people it will be hard to let go of these dreams of glory daze and rising sunshine. The purported math behind the ME has been clearly expressed 10,000 times - the square root of 1% of any given population. That's not a large number theory - it means it's easier to achieve the effect for large populations that you would think because a square root is involved. When group program was established here it was always stated that it would have the greatest effect here locally - it was never stated that it would only have an effect nationally, and not any effect locally, due to some large number theory. So anyway, when did hagelin or anyone say DC was a big enough sample but not fairfield (or apparently any of the original 1% cities)? What exactly is the stated minimize size? It's all irrelevant anyhoo ... the tmo moved away from standard ME theory and into the miracle of pundits a long time ago, and is now moving away from the miracle on pundits and into rebuilding the world with east facing rectangles as the solution to all problems. Just listen to the jan 12 broadcasts and you'll see. Whatever you think of ME as a theory, it's on the way out in the tmo because the tmo raised a gadzillion dollars over the past 20 yrs and still didn't spend a fraction of it to establish a ME group that could have solved all the problems in the world according to ME theory. That's just raised too much doubt in people's minds for it to continue being a bona fide fund-raising approach anymore. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 8, 2006, at 8:29 PM, sparaig wrote: The ME theory is a large numbers theory. The crime rate of Fairfield could be skewed by having a single pickpocket living among the sidhas. For that matter, the traffic accident rate during the Taste of Utopia course could go up because the town's adult population more than doubled (tripled) during that time. To accurately measure the predicted claims of the ME, you would need a much larger statistical sample population for them to effect than Fairfield, IA, like Washington, DC. Just another TB rationalization to avoid accepting the obvious. If there was a known rise in traffic accidents due to increased congestion, that variable could and should be accounted for. I don't know of any peer-reviewed research on Fairfield, IA, concerning the ME. However, people like to trot outthe statistic concerning increased traffic accidents in FF during the Taste of Utopia to disprove the ME. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The ME theory is a large numbers theory. The crime rate of Fairfield could be skewed by having a single pickpocket living among the sidhas. For that matter, the traffic accident rate during the Taste of Utopia course could go up because the town's adult population more than doubled (tripled) during that time. To accurately measure the predicted claims of the ME, you would need a much larger statistical sample population for them to effect than Fairfield, IA, like Washington, DC. Another post hoc explanation. The ME theory as now constructed does not take sample size into consideration. What is the critical sample size and why? The ME is taken from analogies in physical systems. ALL such physical systems involve really huge numbers of particles/photons/atoms/whatevers. And the exposition I have read DOES talk about the minimum population size needed. That's not to claim that there might not be SOME measurable positive effect, only that you can't really claim the ME to be supported or non-supported, based on Fairfield statistics (of course, the TMO does exactly that when it suits them, but that's the PR biz for you). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 9, 2006, at 10:20 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 8, 2006, at 8:29 PM, sparaig wrote: The ME theory is a large numbers theory. The crime rate of Fairfield could be skewed by having a single pickpocket living among the sidhas. For that matter, the traffic accident rate during the Taste of Utopia course could go up because the town's adult population more than doubled (tripled) during that time. To accurately measure the predicted claims of the ME, you would need a much larger statistical sample population for them to effect than Fairfield, IA, like Washington, DC. Just another TB rationalization to avoid accepting the obvious. Not real familiar with statistical principles, are you? Trained in advanced statistics...does that count? Then you're well aware that a theory thought to measureably apply to very large populations might not have a measureable effect on relatively small populations. The variables he mentioned could be accounted for--and the TMO is certainly adept at number crunching and ambiguation. The fact that Crystal Meth is on the increase in the areas all around FF might be harder to hide. But what has that to do with the ME? Maybe attracting factory Hog Farms is actually what CCP's do? Like mosquitoes to a light bulb? While the ME is an interesting hypothesis, that's all it really is at this point. Since repetition of these studies seems rather unlikely, it most likely will just remain fringe- or pseudo-science. But for some people it will be hard to let go of these dreams of glory daze and rising sunshine. Should anyone ever been seen floating during a YF competition, and James Randi forced to pay up his $1 million challenge, the ME might well be revisited in a big way by the larger scientific community. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid - ME, large numbers, $$$
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 9, 2006, at 10:20 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 8, 2006, at 8:29 PM, sparaig wrote: The ME theory is a large numbers theory. The crime rate of Fairfield could be skewed by having a single pickpocket living among the sidhas. For that matter, the traffic accident rate during the Taste of Utopia course could go up because the town's adult population more than doubled (tripled) during that time. To accurately measure the predicted claims of the ME, you would need a much larger statistical sample population for them to effect than Fairfield, IA, like Washington, DC. Just another TB rationalization to avoid accepting the obvious. Not real familiar with statistical principles, are you? Trained in advanced statistics...does that count? The variables he mentioned could be accounted for--and the TMO is certainly adept at number crunching and ambiguation. The fact that Crystal Meth is on the increase in the areas all around FF might be harder to hide. Maybe attracting factory Hog Farms is actually what CCP's do? Like mosquitoes to a light bulb? While the ME is an interesting hypothesis, that's all it really is at this point. Since repetition of these studies seems rather unlikely, it most likely will just remain fringe- or pseudo-science. But for some people it will be hard to let go of these dreams of glory daze and rising sunshine. The purported math behind the ME has been clearly expressed 10,000 times - the square root of 1% of any given population. That's not a large number theory - it means it's easier to achieve the effect for large populations that you would think because a square root is involved. When group program was established here it was always stated that it would have the greatest effect here locally - it was never stated that it would only have an effect nationally, and not any effect locally, due to some large number theory. So anyway, when did hagelin or anyone say DC was a big enough sample but not fairfield (or apparently any of the original 1% cities)? What exactly is the stated minimize size? You're missing the point. While the ME might have the greatest effect locally, the effect might also be most easily swamped by local variations that overwhelm the slight effects that you might see from the ME. Let's consider the case of 1 person doing Yogic FLying. OBviously, Yogic Flying will have the greatest effect on that person, rather than on the people arround him. For the ME to work as you suggest, that 1 person should overwhelm the negativity of 10,000 people since 1% of 10,000 is 100, and 1% of 100 is 1. Of course, the TMO has NEVER claimed that one person alone doing Yogic Flying is going to have a measureable effect on 10,000 people, so your intuition is wrong. It's all irrelevant anyhoo ... the tmo moved away from standard ME theory and into the miracle of pundits a long time ago, and is now moving away from the miracle on pundits and into rebuilding the world with east facing rectangles as the solution to all problems. Just listen to the jan 12 broadcasts and you'll see. That might all be. That doesn't change any aspect of what was claimed for the ME and, as far as I know, is still being claimed for the ME. Whatever you think of ME as a theory, it's on the way out in the tmo because the tmo raised a gadzillion dollars over the past 20 yrs and still didn't spend a fraction of it to establish a ME group that could have solved all the problems in the world according to ME theory. That's just raised too much doubt in people's minds for it to continue being a bona fide fund-raising approach anymore. That might be also. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid - ME, large numbers, $$$
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] rather than on the people arround him. For the ME to work as you suggest, that 1 person should overwhelm the negativity of 10,000 people since 1% of 10,000 is 100, and 1% of 100 is 1. the SQUAREROOT of 10,000 is 100,and 1% of 100 is 1... Sigh... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid - ME, large numbers, $$$
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] rather than on the people arround him. For the ME to work as you suggest, that 1 person should overwhelm the negativity of 10,000 people since 1% of 10,000 is 100, and 1% of 100 is 1. the SQUAREROOT of 10,000 is 100,and 1% of 100 is 1... Sigh... Double-sigh, 1% of 10,000 is 100, and the squareroot of 100 is 10... Analysis still holds: 10 yogic flyers in a group having a measureable effect on the 10,000 has never been claimed by the TMO. LIkewise, the single yogic flyer having a measureable effect on 100 people around him has never been claimed either. [1% of 100 is 1. The squareroot of 1 is 1] It's a big-number theory as I have said. I believe they were talking in terms of 100 yogic fliers having a noticable effect on the surrounding population, which translates back into a minimum population of 1 million people as the smallest population size that one might expect to find a reliably measureable ME for. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid - ME, large numbers, $$$
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's a big-number theory as I have said. I believe they were talking in terms of 100 yogic fliers having a noticable effect on the surrounding population, which translates back into a minimum population of 1 million people as the smallest population size that one might expect to find a reliably measureable ME for. Fairfield had over 10% of its population - over 1,000 sidhas - doing group program for many many years. According to the ME theory, that's enough to influence 100 million, but even the immediate town of 10,000 and state of a few million were not influenced significantly. Actually the economy of the town turned south after companies like telegroup and globallink moved into new s-ved buildings and soon collapsed. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid - ME, large numbers, $$$
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's a big-number theory as I have said. I believe they were talking in terms of 100 yogic fliers having a noticable effect on the surrounding population, which translates back into a minimum population of 1 million people as the smallest population size that one might expect to find a reliably measureable ME for. Fairfield had over 10% of its population - over 1,000 sidhas - doing group program for many many years. According to the ME theory, that's enough to influence 100 million, but even the immediate town of 10,000 and state of a few million were not influenced significantly. Actually the economy of the town turned south after companies like telegroup and globallink moved into new s-ved buildings and soon collapsed. Bad timing for expansion (new facilities). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's good that tmo scientists try to get published, but the spirit of the whole effort seems to fall more under PR than science - and until at least one independent scientist is impressed enough by the maharishi effect research to begin the long process of replication, then it's still an proven theory. More a very unusual hypothesis with some slight empirical support. Not enough to build a theory on becaue there is so much empirical evidence which completely contradicts the M.A. theory as it is now constructed. Which emperical evidence contradicts the ME theory? The prima facie fact that large numbers of meditators in Fairfield, Iowa have not reduced the crime rate there. Post hoc explanations/metaphors such as the washing machine effect indicate that the ME theory has a long way to go in its development as a formal theory. I'm not dismissing the ME, but it is far from a complete theory. Right now it is a hypothesis, not a theory. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's good that tmo scientists try to get published, but the spirit of the whole effort seems to fall more under PR than science - and until at least one independent scientist is impressed enough by the maharishi effect research to begin the long process of replication, then it's still an proven theory. More a very unusual hypothesis with some slight empirical support. Not enough to build a theory on becaue there is so much empirical evidence which completely contradicts the M.A. theory as it is now constructed. Which emperical evidence contradicts the ME theory? The prima facie fact that large numbers of meditators in Fairfield, Iowa have not reduced the crime rate there. Post hoc explanations/metaphors such as the washing machine effect indicate that the ME theory has a long way to go in its development as a formal theory. I'm not dismissing the ME, but it is far from a complete theory. Right now it is a hypothesis, not a theory. The ME theory is a large numbers theory. The crime rate of Fairfield could be skewed by having a single pickpocket living among the sidhas. For that matter, the traffic accident rate during the Taste of Utopia course could go up because the town's adult population more than doubled (tripled) during that time. To accurately measure the predicted claims of the ME, you would need a much larger statistical sample population for them to effect than Fairfield, IA, like Washington, DC. That's not to claim that there might not be SOME measurable positive effect, only that you can't really claim the ME to be supported or non-supported, based on Fairfield statistics (of course, the TMO does exactly that when it suits them, but that's the PR biz for you). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's good that tmo scientists try to get published, but the spirit of the whole effort seems to fall more under PR than science - and until at least one independent scientist is impressed enough by the maharishi effect research to begin the long process of replication, then it's still an proven theory. More a very unusual hypothesis with some slight empirical support. Not enough to build a theory on becaue there is so much empirical evidence which completely contradicts the M.A. theory as it is now constructed. Which emperical evidence contradicts the ME theory? The prima facie fact that large numbers of meditators in Fairfield, Iowa have not reduced the crime rate there. Post hoc explanations/metaphors such as the washing machine effect indicate that the ME theory has a long way to go in its development as a formal theory. I'm not dismissing the ME, but it is far from a complete theory. Right now it is a hypothesis, not a theory. The ME theory is a large numbers theory. The crime rate of Fairfield could be skewed by having a single pickpocket living among the sidhas. For that matter, the traffic accident rate during the Taste of Utopia course could go up because the town's adult population more than doubled (tripled) during that time. To accurately measure the predicted claims of the ME, you would need a much larger statistical sample population for them to effect than Fairfield, IA, like Washington, DC. That's not to claim that there might not be SOME measurable positive effect, only that you can't really claim the ME to be supported or non-supported, based on Fairfield statistics (of course, the TMO does exactly that when it suits them, but that's the PR biz for you). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's good that tmo scientists try to get published, but the spirit of the whole effort seems to fall more under PR than science - and until at least one independent scientist is impressed enough by the maharishi effect research to begin the long process of replication, then it's still an proven theory. More a very unusual hypothesis with some slight empirical support. Not enough to build a theory on becaue there is so much empirical evidence which completely contradicts the M.A. theory as it is now constructed. Which emperical evidence contradicts the ME theory? The prima facie fact that large numbers of meditators in Fairfield, Iowa have not reduced the crime rate there. Post hoc explanations/metaphors such as the washing machine effect indicate that the ME theory has a long way to go in its development as a formal theory. I'm not dismissing the ME, but it is far from a complete theory. Right now it is a hypothesis, not a theory. The ME theory is a large numbers theory. The crime rate of Fairfield could be skewed by having a single pickpocket living among the sidhas. For that matter, the traffic accident rate during the Taste of Utopia course could go up because the town's adult population more than doubled (tripled) during that time. To accurately measure the predicted claims of the ME, you would need a much larger statistical sample population for them to effect than Fairfield, IA, like Washington, DC. That's not to claim that there might not be SOME measurable positive effect, only that you can't really claim the ME to be supported or non-supported, based on Fairfield statistics (of course, the TMO does exactly that when it suits them, but that's the PR biz for you). Nor can the ME be shown tobe conclusive by just one DC size study. To show real causality, not mere correlation, or random effects, the study would need to be done in a number of differnt types of cities, at different times of the year, over different lengths of time periods, with different YFs/ population rations, etc. etc. With such varieddatea, then good statistical analysis can drill deep and see if the effect is real. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In 1994 Hagelin was the recipient of an Ig Nobel Prize, which is for achievements that cannot, or should not, be reproduced, i.e., for pseudoscience. In his case the prize was awarded for his experimental conclusion that 4,000 meditators at the Maharishi University of Management caused an 18 percent decrease in crime in Washington, DC. Yep, and the people who awarded theprize never read the subsequent published study since it hadn't been published at that time. I doubt if the study would change their mind, but its an interesting commentary on the scientific parody community that this was done. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid
Part of this is completely false and misleading. Hagelin's groundbreaking work started BECAUSE he linked MMY's Vedic Cosmology to Western Science. After some discussions with MMY in Switzerland, Hagelin started sifting through existing theories, looking for one that best fit MMY's interpretation of the Vedas. Flipped SU(5) looked the most promising, and after slight modifications to make it better fit MMY's theories, Hagelin realized that the modifications actually made Flipped SU(5) a better theory from a Western perspective. He contacted his old friend George Ellis of CERN who contacted Dimitri Nanopoulos, the author of the original Flipped SU(5), and the three co-published about 50 papers on the subject, which made a scientific name for all 3. In other words, it is BECAUSE of Hagelin's linking of TM and western science that he became well known. His loss of reputation came when he started to devote himself to politics full time. You can't be a politician running for office and publish scientific papers simultaneously. And his former collaborators never distanced themselves from Hagelin, only from his politics. In fact, Ellis of CERN published a paper on consciousness and Quantum Mechanics a few years ago himself. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: oops: In 1994 Hagelin was the recipient of an Ig Nobel Prize, which is for achievements that cannot, or should not, be reproduced, i.e., for pseudoscience. In his case the prize was awarded for his experimental conclusion that 4,000 meditators at the Maharishi University of Management caused an 18 percent decrease in crime in Washington, DC. Before Hagelin started with his dubious works on TM, he was given the Kilby Award in 1992, for scientists who have made major contributions to society through their applied research in the fields of science and technology. The award states it is for a scientist in the tradition of Einstein, Jeans, Bohr and Eddington. Hagelin has published a number of peer-reviewed papers in particle physics dealing with supersymmetry and grand unification theory. His groundbreaking work with Dimitri Nanopoulos was particularly influential. After that he tried to link particle physics to Transcendental Meditation and failed to publish a single paper in an established journal. His last accepted contribution to physics is from 1994. His former co-authors nowadays distance themselves from him. -from the Wikipedia. On Jan 6, 2006, at 9:10 AM, Vaj wrote: In 1994 Hagelin was the recipient of an Ig Nobel Prize, which is for achievements that cannot, or should not, be reproduced, i.e., for pseudoscience. In his case the prize was awarded for his experimental conclusion that 4,000 meditators at the Maharishi University of Management caused an 18 percent decrease in crime in Washington, DC. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid
Vaj: How do you incorporate hyperlinks in your text? It really works great! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: oops: In 1994 Hagelin was the recipient of an Ig Nobel Prize, which is for achievements that cannot, or should not, be reproduced, i.e., for pseudoscience. In his case the prize was awarded for his experimental conclusion that 4,000 meditators at the Maharishi University of Management caused an 18 percent decrease in crime in Washington, DC. Before Hagelin started with his dubious works on TM, he was given the Kilby Award in 1992, for scientists who have made major contributions to society through their applied research in the fields of science and technology. The award states it is for a scientist in the tradition of Einstein, Jeans, Bohr and Eddington. Hagelin has published a number of peer-reviewed papers in particle physics dealing with supersymmetry and grand unification theory. His groundbreaking work with Dimitri Nanopoulos was particularly influential. After that he tried to link particle physics to Transcendental Meditation and failed to publish a single paper in an established journal. His last accepted contribution to physics is from 1994. His former co-authors nowadays distance themselves from him. -from the Wikipedia. On Jan 6, 2006, at 9:10 AM, Vaj wrote: In 1994 Hagelin was the recipient of an Ig Nobel Prize, which is for achievements that cannot, or should not, be reproduced, i.e., for pseudoscience. In his case the prize was awarded for his experimental conclusion that 4,000 meditators at the Maharishi University of Management caused an 18 percent decrease in crime in Washington, DC. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid
On a Mac you just paste text as html.On Jan 7, 2006, at 12:40 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:Vaj: How do you incorporate hyperlinks in your text? It really works great! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid
On Jan 7, 2006, at 12:18 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In 1994 Hagelin was the recipient of an Ig Nobel Prize, which is for "achievements" that "cannot, or should not, be reproduced", i.e., for pseudoscience. In his case the prize was awarded for his experimental conclusion that 4,000 meditators at the Maharishi University of Management caused an 18 percent decrease in crime in Washington, DC.Yep, and the people who awarded theprize never read the subsequent published study since it hadn't been published at that time. I doubt if the study would change their mind, but its an interesting commentary on the scientific parody community that this was done. It's also interesting that his close colleagues tried to distances themselves from him.I watched a chunk of the most recent press conference with him. It was pretty funny, but also sad what has become of him. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In 1994 Hagelin was the recipient of an Ig Nobel Prize, which is for achievements that cannot, or should not, be reproduced, i.e., for pseudoscience. In his case the prize was awarded for his experimental conclusion that 4,000 meditators at the Maharishi University of Management caused an 18 percent decrease in crime in Washington, DC. research which was later published in a peer-reviewed journal: Social Indicators Research, 47, 153201, whilst the sceintists who gave out the ignobel prize in 1994, have gone back to their teaching jobs, and are struggling to get any recognition or published work. Wikepedia is the biggest crock of shit. Half of it written by halfwits who have little expertise in the field they are spouting about. Quoting from it will take you 6 months to a year to regain your credibility. Just a friendly peice of advice.:-) Wikipedia is currently being sued because someone published a revelation about the Kennedy assisination that named names and the wiki operators never caught on. The person who was named may win the lawsuit which could close Wikipedia down completely. Sad, actually, but it DOES point out the danger of quoting Wikipedia or other anonymous online sources rather than using it as a place to go to find REAL sources of info in the footnotes. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 6, 2006, at 9:47 AM, off_world_beings wrote: Wikepedia is the biggest crock of shit. Half of it written by halfwits who have little expertise in the field they are spouting about. Quoting from it will take you 6 months to a year to regain your credibility. Just a friendly peice of advice.:-) A recent study was published which showed that the Wikipedia was about as accurate as the Encyclopedia Britannica. Heh. That study was incorrect, unless Britannica is getting sued for not catching a hoax published by them. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 6, 2006, at 9:47 AM, off_world_beings wrote: Wikepedia is the biggest crock of shit. Half of it written by halfwits who have little expertise in the field they are spouting about. Quoting from it will take you 6 months to a year to regain your credibility. Just a friendly peice of advice.:-) A recent study was published which showed that the Wikipedia was about as accurate as the Encyclopedia Britannica. http://tinyurl.com/88kt2 London - Online 'open source' encyclopaedia Wikipedia, is comparable in content and quality to the respected Encyclopaedia Britannica, reports the British journal Nature. The journal compared 42 articles from the two reference works, masking the origin of each individual article from their testers. Unlike the Encyclopaedia Britannica, Wikipedia has no official editors. Anyone can create new articles and modify existing ones. The experts detected four errors per Wikipedia article on average; for the Encyclopaedia Britannica, it was three. Some 162 errors in all were discovered in the articles from the Internet project, 123 by the Encyclopaedia Britannica. The idea of a wiki is that it is self-correcting because someone will notice an error and challenge it.However, when an error is deliberately introduced, the wiki model can fall down miserably. Also, much of Wikipedia (and Britannica) involves interpretation of facts, so whose opinion dictates which fact is correct? The person who wrote the original has the upper hand because the correction process is relatively involved and most people aren't going to bother merely because they disagree with an editorial stance. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 6, 2006, at 9:47 AM, off_world_beings wrote: Wikepedia is the biggest crock of shit. Half of it written by halfwits who have little expertise in the field they are spouting about. Quoting from it will take you 6 months to a year to regain your credibility. Just a friendly peice of advice.:-) A recent study was published which showed that the Wikipedia was about as accurate as the Encyclopedia Britannica. Not when it comes to TM. If you disagree with something in Wikipedia, you can start theprocess to have the article changed. I would make very sure of your facts before you start the process, however. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vaj: How do you incorporate hyperlinks in your text? It really works great! On a PC, click in the Address box of the browser window when you're on the page you want to link to, to select the URL, then Ctrl-C to copy it to the clipboard. Switch to the message window you want the URL to appear in, and CTRL-V to paste it in. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In 1994 Hagelin was the recipient of an Ig Nobel Prize, which is for achievements that cannot, or should not, be reproduced, i.e., for pseudoscience. In his case the prize was awarded for his experimental conclusion that 4,000 meditators at the Maharishi University of Management caused an 18 percent decrease in crime in Washington, DC. research which was later published in a peer-reviewed journal: Social Indicators Research, 47, 153201, whilst the sceintists who gave out the ignobel prize in 1994, have gone back to their teaching jobs, and are struggling to get any recognition or published work. Don't dis the folks who award the Ig Nobels either. They're exceptionally savvy and thoughtful people. The following quote is from Prof. Paul Meyers from U of Minn. in response to a question about an intelligent design guy who got a paper published in a science journal: Well, first of all, sometimes real crap gets published in peer- reviewed journals, and sometimes really great stuff has to struggle to get the approval of other scientists. It's not an absolute sine qua non of good research -- it's more of a stochastic thing, where what counts more is what kind of work snowballs into a lot of research... The whole shoddy affair illustrates why Intelligent Design creationism isn't science. They are scrabbling to put up a facade, but science isn't about words in a journal or a collection of degrees: it is a process. It's science if it is being continually tested, if there is research being done to critically evaluate the components of the theory. There is no research being done on intelligent design, nor can there be--there aren't any testable hypotheses in their proposal. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/1/6/95138/89017 It's good that tmo scientists try to get published, but the spirit of the whole effort seems to fall more under PR than science - and until at least one independent scientist is impressed enough by the maharishi effect research to begin the long process of replication, then it's still an proven theory. The ME, yes. However, indendent scientists have been testing TM claims for a long time. Some are persuaded that TM works best on things like hypertension, and some are not. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's good that tmo scientists try to get published, but the spirit of the whole effort seems to fall more under PR than science - and until at least one independent scientist is impressed enough by the maharishi effect research to begin the long process of replication, then it's still an proven theory. More a very unusual hypothesis with some slight empirical support. Not enough to build a theory on becaue there is so much empirical evidence which completely contradicts the M.A. theory as it is now constructed. Which emperical evidence contradicts the ME theory? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 7, 2006, at 12:18 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In 1994 Hagelin was the recipient of an Ig Nobel Prize, which is for achievements that cannot, or should not, be reproduced, i.e., for pseudoscience. In his case the prize was awarded for his experimental conclusion that 4,000 meditators at the Maharishi University of Management caused an 18 percent decrease in crime in Washington, DC. Yep, and the people who awarded theprize never read the subsequent published study since it hadn't been published at that time. I doubt if the study would change their mind, but its an interesting commentary on the scientific parody community that this was done. It's also interesting that his close colleagues tried to distances themselves from him. that is NOT the case. Ellis still cites John Hagelin articles in discussions and has published a paper on QM and consciousness (well, the possible role of QM in the functioning of microtubules in brain). I watched a chunk of the most recent press conference with him. It was pretty funny, but also sad what has become of him. How so? John's grown quite a bit overtheyears as a public speaker, in my opinion. What was sad about what you watched, as opposed to funny? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In 1994 Hagelin was the recipient of an Ig Nobel Prize, which is for achievements that cannot, or should not, be reproduced, i.e., for pseudoscience. In his case the prize was awarded for his experimental conclusion that 4,000 meditators at the Maharishi University of Management caused an 18 percent decrease in crime in Washington, DC. I posted a piece of this before, but I'm going to post it again, along with some additional commentary, because Vaj's Wikipedia quote about the Ig Nobel being awarded for pseudoscience keeps being reproduced without the rebuttal, and people keep taking it for established fact. It seems that neither the person who wrote the Wikipedia article nor Vaj checked the Ig Nobel Web site to see what the awards are *actually* for. Either that, or they were more interested in bashing Hagelin than in accuracy. From the Ig Nobel Web site: WHAT: Every Ig Nobel Prize winner has done something that first makes people LAUGH, then makes them THINK. WHO: Here is a list of all the winners. WHY: The Igs are intended to celebrate the unusual, honor the imaginative -- and spur people's interest in science, medicine, and technology. http://www.improb.com/ig/what-are.html From another page on the site: Each year, ten Ig Nobel Prizes are awarded. The selection criterion is simple. The prizes are for achievements that cannot or should not be reproduced. Examine that phrase carefully. It covers a lot of ground. It says nothing as to whether a thing is good or bad, commendable or pernicious. For example: after something has been discovered or created, no one - anyone, anywhere, ever - can later become the first to have made that discovery or creation. The firstness cannot be repeated I raise this matter of good or bad, because the world in general seems to enjoy classifying things as being either one or the other. The Ig Nobel Prizes aside, most prizes, in most places, for most purposes are clearly designed to sanctify the goodness or badness of the recipients. Olympic medals go to very good athletes. Worst- dressed prizes go to badly dressed celebrities. Nobel Prizes go to scientists, writers, and others who excel. Occasional mistakes and omissions happen, sure, but these prizes, and most others, are meant to honor the extremes of humanity - those whose achievements should be seen as very good or very bad. The Ig Nobel Prize isn't like that. The Ig, as it is known, honors the great muddle in which most of us exist much of the time. Life is confusing. Good and bad get all mixed up. Yin can be hard to distinguish from yang. Ditto for data from artifact and, sometimes, up from down An Ig Nobel can bring recognition and, perhaps, appreciation. Say you have done something that you - and some other people - believe to be very, very good, and maybe even very, very important. But most people don't recognize its importance. Worse, most people don't even recognize its existence. It's different from what they expect, or what they have ever run across. What you have, you believe, is a breakthrough. The classic sequence of events for any breakthrough is: (1) Most people don't recognize its existence; then (2) When they do recognize it, their immediate reaction is to laugh or scoff at it; then (3) Some of those people become curious about this thing that they are laughing at, and then think about it, and so come to appreciate its true worth. So there you have a nice little benefit of the Ig Nobel Prizes. If you've done something people chuckle at, and you win an Ig, then more people will hear about it. And maybe some of those people will also become curious, and will think about what you've accomplished, and fall in love with it Lawson wrote: Yep, and the people who awarded theprize never read the subsequent published study since it hadn't been published at that time. I doubt if the study would change their mind, but its an interesting commentary on the scientific parody community that this was done. The Ig Nobel folks are *not* on the boat with debunkers like James Randi, as people like Vaj would like to have you believe. There's plenty more material on the Ig Nobel site that explains their purpose, which is actually a lot more subtle, and a lot more interesting, even than parody. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In 1994 Hagelin was the recipient of an Ig Nobel Prize, which is for achievements that cannot, or should not, be reproduced, i.e., for pseudoscience. In his case the prize was awarded for his experimental conclusion that 4,000 meditators at the Maharishi University of Management caused an 18 percent decrease in crime in Washington, DC. research which was later published in a peer-reviewed journal: Social Indicators Research, 47, 153201, whilst the sceintists who gave out the ignobel prize in 1994, have gone back to their teaching jobs, and are struggling to get any recognition or published work. Wikepedia is the biggest crock of shit. Half of it written by halfwits who have little expertise in the field they are spouting about. Quoting from it will take you 6 months to a year to regain your credibility. Just a friendly peice of advice.:-) OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid
On Jan 6, 2006, at 9:47 AM, off_world_beings wrote:Wikepedia is the biggest crock of shit. Half of it written by halfwits who have little expertise in the field they are spouting about. Quoting from it will take you 6 months to a year to regain your credibility. Just a friendly peice of advice.:-) A recent study was published which showed that the Wikipedia was about as accurate as the Encyclopedia Britannica. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 6, 2006, at 9:47 AM, off_world_beings wrote: Wikepedia is the biggest crock of shit. Half of it written by halfwits who have little expertise in the field they are spouting about. Quoting from it will take you 6 months to a year to regain your credibility. Just a friendly peice of advice.:-) A recent study was published which showed that the Wikipedia was about as accurate as the Encyclopedia Britannica. http://tinyurl.com/88kt2 London - Online 'open source' encyclopaedia Wikipedia, is comparable in content and quality to the respected Encyclopaedia Britannica, reports the British journal Nature. The journal compared 42 articles from the two reference works, masking the origin of each individual article from their testers. Unlike the Encyclopaedia Britannica, Wikipedia has no official editors. Anyone can create new articles and modify existing ones. The experts detected four errors per Wikipedia article on average; for the Encyclopaedia Britannica, it was three. Some 162 errors in all were discovered in the articles from the Internet project, 123 by the Encyclopaedia Britannica. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 6, 2006, at 9:47 AM, off_world_beings wrote: Wikepedia is the biggest crock of shit. Half of it written by halfwits who have little expertise in the field they are spouting about. Quoting from it will take you 6 months to a year to regain your credibility. Just a friendly peice of advice.:-) A recent study was published which showed that the Wikipedia was about as accurate as the Encyclopedia Britannica. If you asked the Internet man on the street which had more credibility -- Wikipedia or someone whose support for the TM party line verges on the fanatical -- which do you think they'd vote for? :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 6, 2006, at 9:47 AM, off_world_beings wrote: Wikepedia is the biggest crock of shit. Half of it written by halfwits who have little expertise in the field they are spouting about. Quoting from it will take you 6 months to a year to regain your credibility. Just a friendly peice of advice.:-) A recent study was published which showed that the Wikipedia was about as accurate as the Encyclopedia Britannica. Not when it comes to TM. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 6, 2006, at 9:47 AM, off_world_beings wrote: Wikepedia is the biggest crock of shit. Half of it written by halfwits who have little expertise in the field they are spouting about. Quoting from it will take you 6 months to a year to regain your credibility. Just a friendly peice of advice.:-) A recent study was published which showed that the Wikipedia was about as accurate as the Encyclopedia Britannica. http://tinyurl.com/88kt2 London - Online 'open source' encyclopaedia Wikipedia, is comparable in content and quality to the respected Encyclopaedia Britannica, reports the British journal Nature. The journal compared 42 articles from the two reference works, masking the origin of each individual article from their testers. Unlike the Encyclopaedia Britannica, Wikipedia has no official editors. Anyone can create new articles and modify existing ones. The experts detected four errors per Wikipedia article on average; for the Encyclopaedia Britannica, it was three. Some 162 errors in all were discovered in the articles from the Internet project, 123 by the Encyclopaedia Britannica. Not when it comes to TM. TM-exers do what they can to slant the terminology in their favor. Eg: Broadcast one study on various meditations as if it is all about TM, and as if it defeats hundreds of other published studies. I went in and re-worded that sentance a little so it is more accurate to the reader, but I am sure the TM-exers will change it back to suit their agenda, as if the study was all about TM, and is the greatest proof in the world. I will not bother to respond to it. It was just a fun interesting thing to do once, but for them it is a soul- destroying obsession. I pity them. OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In 1994 Hagelin was the recipient of an Ig Nobel Prize, which is for achievements that cannot, or should not, be reproduced, i.e., for pseudoscience. No, in fact the Ig Nobel is not just for pseudoscience, so sorry to disappoint you. http://www.improb.com/ig/what-is-this-2000.html Excerpt: Your breakthrough might go unnoticed. Say you have done something that you - and some other people - believe to be very, very good and maybe even very, very important. But most people don't recognize its importance. Worse, most people don't even recognize its existence. It's different from what they expect or what they have ever run across. What you have, you believe, is a breakthrough. The classic sequence of events for any breakthrough is: (1) Most people don't recognize its existence. (2) When they do recognize it, their immediate reaction is to laugh or scoff at it. (3) Some of those people become curious about this thing that they are laughing at, and then think about it, and so come to appreciate its true worth. The Ig provides much-needed publicity. So there you have a nice little benefit of the Ig Nobel Prizes. If you've done something people chuckle at and you win an Ig, then more people will hear about it. And maybe some of those people will also become curious, and will think about what you've accomplished, and fall in love with it. In his case the prize was awarded for his experimental conclusion that 4,000 meditators at the Maharishi University of Management caused an 18 percent decrease in crime in Washington, DC. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 6, 2006, at 9:47 AM, off_world_beings wrote: Wikepedia is the biggest crock of shit. Half of it written by halfwits who have little expertise in the field they are spouting about. Quoting from it will take you 6 months to a year to regain your credibility. Just a friendly peice of advice.:-) A recent study was published which showed that the Wikipedia was about as accurate as the Encyclopedia Britannica. Not when it comes to TM. There you have it, Vaj. When it comes to TM, only the spouters of the TM party line are accurate. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid
On Jan 6, 2006, at 10:43 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 6, 2006, at 9:47 AM, off_world_beings wrote: Wikepedia is the biggest crock of shit. Half of it written by halfwits who have little expertise in the field they are spouting about. Quoting from it will take you 6 months to a year to regain your credibility. Just a friendly peice of advice.:-) A recent study was published which showed that the Wikipedia was about as accurate as the Encyclopedia Britannica. Not when it comes to TM. There you have it, Vaj. When it comes to TM, only the spouters of the TM party line are accurate. :-) sigh To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In 1994 Hagelin was the recipient of an Ig Nobel Prize, which is for achievements that cannot, or should not, be reproduced, i.e., for pseudoscience. In his case the prize was awarded for his experimental conclusion that 4,000 meditators at the Maharishi University of Management caused an 18 percent decrease in crime in Washington, DC. research which was later published in a peer-reviewed journal: Social Indicators Research, 47, 153201, whilst the sceintists who gave out the ignobel prize in 1994, have gone back to their teaching jobs, and are struggling to get any recognition or published work. Don't dis the folks who award the Ig Nobels either. They're exceptionally savvy and thoughtful people. Wikepedia is the biggest crock of shit. Half of it written by halfwits who have little expertise in the field they are spouting about. Quoting from it will take you 6 months to a year to regain your credibility. Just a friendly peice of advice.:-) OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 6, 2006, at 10:43 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 6, 2006, at 9:47 AM, off_world_beings wrote: Wikepedia is the biggest crock of shit. Half of it written by halfwits who have little expertise in the field they are spouting about. Quoting from it will take you 6 months to a year to regain your credibility. Just a friendly peice of advice.:-) A recent study was published which showed that the Wikipedia was about as accurate as the Encyclopedia Britannica. Not when it comes to TM. There you have it, Vaj. When it comes to TM, only the spouters of the TM party line are accurate. :-) sigh Not when it comes to TM. TM-exers do what they can to slant the terminology in their favor on Wikipedia. Eg: Broadcast one study on various meditations as if it is all about TM, and as if it defeats hundreds of other published studies. I went in and re-worded that sentance a little so it is more accurate to the reader, but I am sure the TM-exers will change it back to suit their agenda, as if the study was all about TM, and is the greatest proof in the world. I will not bother to respond to it. It was just a fun interesting thing to do once, but for them it is a soul- destroying obsession. I pity them. OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 6, 2006, at 9:47 AM, off_world_beings wrote: Wikepedia is the biggest crock of shit. Half of it written by halfwits who have little expertise in the field they are spouting about. Quoting from it will take you 6 months to a year to regain your credibility. Just a friendly peice of advice.:-) A recent study was published which showed that the Wikipedia was about as accurate as the Encyclopedia Britannica. However, as I've already noted, Wikipedia is in error in claiming that achievements which cannot or should not be reproduced refers only to pseudoscience. Whoever put that in didn't even bother to look at the Ig Nobel Web site. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 6, 2006, at 9:47 AM, off_world_beings wrote: Wikepedia is the biggest crock of shit. Half of it written by halfwits who have little expertise in the field they are spouting about. Quoting from it will take you 6 months to a year to regain your credibility. Just a friendly peice of advice.:-) A recent study was published which showed that the Wikipedia was about as accurate as the Encyclopedia Britannica. Not when it comes to TM. There you have it, Vaj. When it comes to TM, only the spouters of the TM party line are accurate. :-) The Encyclopedia Britannica is a spouter of the TM party line? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In 1994 Hagelin was the recipient of an Ig Nobel Prize, which is for achievements that cannot, or should not, be reproduced, i.e., for pseudoscience. In his case the prize was awarded for his experimental conclusion that 4,000 meditators at the Maharishi University of Management caused an 18 percent decrease in crime in Washington, DC. research which was later published in a peer-reviewed journal: Social Indicators Research, 47, 153201, whilst the sceintists who gave out the ignobel prize in 1994, have gone back to their teaching jobs, and are struggling to get any recognition or published work. Don't dis the folks who award the Ig Nobels either. They're exceptionally savvy and thoughtful people. The following quote is from Prof. Paul Meyers from U of Minn. in response to a question about an intelligent design guy who got a paper published in a science journal: Well, first of all, sometimes real crap gets published in peer- reviewed journals, and sometimes really great stuff has to struggle to get the approval of other scientists. It's not an absolute sine qua non of good research -- it's more of a stochastic thing, where what counts more is what kind of work snowballs into a lot of research... The whole shoddy affair illustrates why Intelligent Design creationism isn't science. They are scrabbling to put up a facade, but science isn't about words in a journal or a collection of degrees: it is a process. It's science if it is being continually tested, if there is research being done to critically evaluate the components of the theory. There is no research being done on intelligent design, nor can there be--there aren't any testable hypotheses in their proposal. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/1/6/95138/89017 It's good that tmo scientists try to get published, but the spirit of the whole effort seems to fall more under PR than science - and until at least one independent scientist is impressed enough by the maharishi effect research to begin the long process of replication, then it's still an proven theory. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid
On Jan 6, 2006, at 11:29 AM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 6, 2006, at 9:47 AM, off_world_beings wrote: Wikepedia is the biggest crock of shit. Half of it written by halfwits who have little expertise in the field they are spouting about. Quoting from it will take you 6 months to a year to regain your credibility. Just a friendly peice of advice.:-) A recent study was published which showed that the Wikipedia was about as accurate as the Encyclopedia Britannica. However, as I've already noted, Wikipedia is in error in claiming that "achievements which cannot or should not be reproduced" refers only to pseudoscience. It does not say this. What is says is:"In 1994 Hagelin was the recipient of an Ig Nobel Prize, which is for "achievements" that "cannot, or should not, be reproduced", i.e., for pseudoscience." To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid
--- markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's good that tmo scientists try to get published, but the spirit of the whole effort seems to fall more under PR than science - and until at least one independent scientist is impressed enough by the maharishi effect research to begin the long process of replication, then it's still an proven theory. More a very unusual hypothesis with some slight empirical support. Not enough to build a theory on becaue there is so much empirical evidence which completely contradicts the M.A. theory as it is now constructed. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
