From last week:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavisma...@... wrote:
A concession is not the same as a contention,
which I believe you understand quite well, or
else you would not have segued at the end of
your post from arguing that I made a contention
to that I had
Vaj, interesting critique. The science seems to come back again to, 'you do
have to do the practice'. As in, have the spiritual discipline to be a
practitioner. Hence,non-meditators just don't have a lot of experience to be
much worthwhile about these ways, aka their 'dark side' of
On Aug 18, 2009, at 9:09 AM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote:
Vaj, interesting critique. The science seems to come back again to,
'you do have to do the practice'. As in, have the spiritual
discipline to be a practitioner. Hence,non-meditators just don't
have a lot of experience to be much worthwhile
Vaj wrote:
Yogis or those trained as lamas actually often
sleep sitting up--or as an old teacher of mine,
a cave-yogi--in lotus. They never lay down.
Yeah, that would go over like a lead balloon with
you wife, Vaj, sitting up 24-7 in a cave. Get real.
So the emphasis is less on
On Aug 18, 2009, at 10:45 AM, WillyTex wrote:
Vaj wrote:
Yogis or those trained as lamas actually often
sleep sitting up--or as an old teacher of mine,
a cave-yogi--in lotus. They never lay down.
Yeah, that would go over like a lead balloon with
you wife, Vaj, sitting up 24-7 in a cave.
Yogis or those trained as lamas actually often
sleep sitting up--or as an old teacher of mine,
a cave-yogi--in lotus. They never lay down.
Yeah, that would go over like a lead balloon with
you wife, Vaj, sitting up 24-7 in a cave. Get real.
Vaj wrote:
I actually sleep in a thing
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex no_re...@... wrote:
As it turns out, the longer and deeper you go,
the more profound the relaxation and the more
profound the biological changes.
Sounds like TM to me. But Ruth, a retired MD, says
there's no observable sociological
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote:
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As Eigen says: ³Jessie needed simple human contact, not Enlightenment.²
snip
Although Wilber thinks people can through meditation reach elevated states
of consciousness that can help them become more mature, he says
On Aug 16, 2009, at 11:57 AM, ruthsimplicity wrote:
Judy mentioned the concept of meditate and act, the old dipping the
cloth stuff we all are familiar with. For some reason this concept
always bugged me but I didn't think it through. I think it bothers
me because act doesn't mean much.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
On Aug 16, 2009, at 11:57 AM, ruthsimplicity wrote:
Judy mentioned the concept of meditate and act, the old dipping the
cloth stuff we all are familiar with. For some reason this concept
always bugged me but I didn't
On Aug 14, 2009, at 4:29 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
The dark side of FFL draws me back in. :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis
reavisma...@... wrote:
A concession is not the same as a contention, which I believe
you understand quite well, or else you would not have segued
The dark side of FFL draws me back in. :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavisma...@... wrote:
A concession is not the same as a contention, which I believe
you understand quite well, or else you would not have segued
at the end of your post from arguing that I made a
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote:
Geez, Where does Vaj get this stuff? TM is a dangerous instrospection
meditation and it creates subtle dualism that guarantees a transcend and
deny type of outcome of some sort? Gibberish. I can't wait for his next
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
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Also one of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@...
wrote:
Maharishi was very clear that open-eyed meditation divides
the mind and makes it weak. TM withdraws the senses from
activity, the mind settles down, thinking becomes quieter, it's
like drawing the arrow back on the bow,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote:
Raunchydog, I understand the point you're making in
your post re Vaj, but
On Aug 13, 2009, at 12:51 AM, Marek Reavis wrote:
Raunchydog, I understand the point you're making in your post re
Vaj, but it's an incorrect portrayal of my opinion of him.
It did take several readings for me to understand what he was
saying in the lines you quoted (below), but that was
On Aug 13, 2009, at 8:11 AM, Vaj wrote:
A problem occurs in commercial meditation methods when one's not
told or taught this, as people will just end up getting attached to
the meditation technique itself and the introspected state in
particular. Both are traps long known in the yogic
On Aug 12, 2009, at 10:10 PM, raunchydog wrote:
Maharishi was very clear that open-eyed meditation divides the mind
and makes it weak.
Interesting. Then he's totally opposed to nondual Shaivite POV and
Advaita meditation. Of course it's also possible he simply didn't
know what f*ck he
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@...
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavisma...@... wrote:
Raunchydog, I understand the point you're making in your post re Vaj, but
it's an incorrect portrayal of my opinion of him.
It did take several readings for me to understand what he was saying in the
lines you
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote:
Raunchydog, I understand the point you're making in your post re Vaj, but
it's an incorrect portrayal of my opinion of him.
It did take several
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
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And of course in Hindu mantra practice not only do they
recognize that constant introversion creates a karmic
separation by withdrawing from the world, it has an
entire vocabulary describing the process and how to
awaken an
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@...
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@
wrote:
Maharishi was very clear that open-eyed meditation divides
the mind and makes it weak. TM withdraws the senses from
activity, the mind settles down,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavisma...@... wrote:
Vaj can obviously choose to write any way that he feels
is right for him, and you can choose to speculate as to
what his real motivations are behind his style; but I
prefer to accept what he says at face value and
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote:
Yeah. Vaj has provided numerous examples of off the wall pronouncements about
TM that clearly demonstrate his lack of understanding. I don't believe he
ever practiced TM, if he did, then he is intentionally misleading. He
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote:
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I may not agree with that view (which doesn't mean
that my view is correct), but I have high regard for
Vaj's learning and sincerity and it seems
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote:
Yeah. Vaj has provided numerous examples of off the wall pronouncements
about TM that clearly demonstrate his lack of understanding. I don't
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
On Aug 12, 2009, at 10:10 PM, raunchydog wrote:
Maharishi was very clear that open-eyed meditation
divides the mind and makes it weak.
Interesting. Then he's totally opposed to nondual Shaivite
POV and Advaita meditation.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote:
Yeah. Vaj has provided numerous examples of off the wall pronouncements
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:
**snip
With regard to your contention that Vaj may be right that
the Perennial Philosophy is an illusion, I'd just suggest
that you not let your mind be so open your brains fall out.
**snip to end
I made no such contention.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavisma...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
**snip
With regard to your contention that Vaj may be right that
the Perennial Philosophy is an illusion, I'd just suggest
that you not let your mind
A concession is not the same as a contention, which I believe you understand
quite well, or else you would not have segued at the end of your post from
arguing that I made a contention to that I had made a concession to Vaj.
And my concession to Vaj was an acknowledgement that I don't *know*
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote:
MEDITATION: THE DARK SIDE
By Douglas Todd
The Vancouver Sun
August 7, 2009
http://communities.canada.com/vancouversun/blogs/thesearch/archive/2009/\
08/0
7/meditation-the-dark-side.aspx
Meditation for many becomes a
On Aug 12, 2009, at 8:25 PM, scienceofabundance wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote:
MEDITATION: THE DARK SIDE
By Douglas Todd
The Vancouver Sun
August 7, 2009
http://communities.canada.com/vancouversun/blogs/thesearch/archive/2009/08/0
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
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Also one of the dangers associated with over-reliance on
introspected meditation alone. Without some practice of
open-eyed meditation and integration, the subtle dualism
created by constantly withdrawing into oneself
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
On Aug 12, 2009, at 8:25 PM, scienceofabundance wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
MEDITATION: THE DARK SIDE
By Douglas Todd
The Vancouver Sun
August 7, 2009
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
snip
Also one of the dangers associated with over-reliance on
introspected meditation alone. Without some practice of
open-eyed meditation and integration, the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
snip
Also one of the dangers associated with over-reliance on
introspected meditation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
snip
Also one of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
snip
Also one of
Raunchydog, I understand the point you're making in your post re Vaj, but it's
an incorrect portrayal of my opinion of him.
It did take several readings for me to understand what he was saying in the
lines you quoted (below), but that was mostly due to the combination of
individual terms
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavisma...@... wrote:
Raunchydog, I understand the point you're making in
your post re Vaj, but it's an incorrect portrayal of
my opinion of him.
It did take several readings for me to understand
what he was saying in the lines you
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote:
Raunchydog, I understand the point you're making in
your post re Vaj, but it's an incorrect portrayal of
my opinion of him.
It did take several
Vaj can obviously choose to write any way that he feels is right for him, and
you can choose to speculate as to what his real motivations are behind his
style; but I prefer to accept what he says at face value and evaluate that.
I doubt that Vaj was trying to impress me and in any case, the
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