Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-31 Thread Kirk
Message - From: off_world_beings To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 10:32 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernha...@... wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-31 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernha...@... wrote: Thanks for your alternating comments. I read them. Not sure what to say except, Oh Yeah, you live in Scotland, truely a mystical place I wish to check out someday since I have a good amount of Scottish in me. My Grandfather

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-31 Thread raunchydog
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernhardt@ wrote: Thanks for your alternating comments. I read them. Not sure what to say except, Oh Yeah, you live in Scotland, truely a mystical place I wish to check

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-30 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Kirk kirk_bernha...@... wrote: the most effective way to establish that state is by alternating the practice of transcending with activity. the easiest way to do this is through the regular (2x a day) practice of

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-29 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote: Let's face it, the TMO would be a lot healthier if people had sex (and chicken sandwiches) on a more regular basis. According to who ?

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-29 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: I didn't get all that excited when I was last on IA (ended a couple weeks ago) and I didn't notice all that much excitement amongst the people I spoke with compared to last year or the year before. Very good !

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-29 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Me, EnlightenDawn and Raunch sit around, smoking grasshopper weed and engage in mental tantric practices between the domes. Oh, by the way, many years

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-29 Thread Kirk
Enlightenment is different in different states of consciousness. Different tantras will evoke the state of conceptless light vision direct with sight, or work perhaps in less elaborated centers with other formless and unformulable mental or energy states. To at the state of sound and vision to

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-29 Thread yifuxero
---Yes, interesting!. Once, (half in jest), somebody told Charlie Lutes something about transcending. He replied with a question: Do you mean somebody physically dissolved into white Light, disappearing from view? (to paraphrase). The lesson: the term transcendence usually applies to a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-29 Thread Kirk
I had some meditation experiences. I would see lights of all colors, pretty much the entire time. Other things read like 'day and night' experiences of the Buddhist tantric - fireflys, smoke, crosses, eternal knots, melting, expanding, and typical kundalini signs like feeling on fire for

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-29 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifux...@... wrote: ---Yes, interesting!. Once, (half in jest), somebody told Charlie Lutes something about transcending. He replied with a question: Do you mean somebody physically dissolved into white Light, disappearing from view? (to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-29 Thread Kirk
Very good ! Excitement = entropy. Unfortunately the citizens of Fairfield, except for a very few bright individuals, understands the power behind and blessings bestowed upon their town since the early 70's. When MUM and the meditators leave, and they finally will, the town will be

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-29 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernha...@... wrote: Very good ! Excitement = entropy. Unfortunately the citizens of Fairfield, except for a very few bright individuals, do not understand the power behind and blessings bestowed upon their town since the early

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-29 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@... wrote: your definitions all sound so monkey-like. here's a banana, my little chiquita. enlightenment is that state of consciousness in which a person no longer identifies with, and

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-29 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com ,

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-29 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , grate.swan no_re...@... wrote: A corrupt marketing tool and identity crutch used by those who feel that the natural culmination of life processes is something that can be packaged, sold and owned. This ironically

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-29 Thread Arhata Osho
Some things have no definition! --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, grate.swan no_re...@... wrote: A corrupt marketing tool and identity crutch used by those who feel that the natural culmination of life processes is something that can be packaged, sold and

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-29 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: your definitions all sound so monkey-like. here's a

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-29 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Marek Reavis reavisma...@... wrote: I also acknowledge that I have an aspect of my mind that is an unchanging witness of my personality. It is an artifact of consciousness and a part of being human if you choose to

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-29 Thread yifuxero
-You say There's no one there then admit that some aspect of mind (even though inseparable from the ground of Being, is able to comment upon that fact). Therefore, your statement regarding no one is false. There is somebody there within and as Brahman; namely some body/mind. As long as you

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-29 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifux...@... wrote: -You say There's no one there I didn't say there is no-one there. You read it completely wrongly. I think you should go back and try again. OffWorld -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-29 Thread grate . swan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote: I'd be a fool to reduce my conceptual understanding of him to some sort of un-enlightened con artist. I am not attempting to be argumentative or challenging, nor do I have an agenda regarding the Maharishi. I am simply

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread TurquoiseB
: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 5:10 PM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: enlightenment is that state of consciousness in which a person no longer

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@... wrote: bravo monkey! chatter, chatter, chatter. are you done playing with your banana, and have decided to begin chattering again? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: ED, I have noticed

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread raunchydog
. --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote: From: Peter drpetersutp...@... Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 8:18 PM Enlightenment is not what you think. --- On Tue, 1/27/09

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread raunchydog
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifux...@... wrote: --you say, to paraphrase: (according to MMY, those are good words). But You can not get enlightened are your words, not his. He didn't often use the E word (if ever) in the context of a progression from CC - BC - UC; but he

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread enlightened_dawn11
/27/09, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: From: Peter drpetersutphen@ Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 8:18 PM Enlightenment is not what you think. --- On Tue, 1/27/09

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread raunchydog
within itself. From here to here through there according to Maharishi. Those are good words. --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: From: Peter drpetersutphen@ Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment To: FairfieldLife

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread boo_lives
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: --you say, to paraphrase: (according to MMY, those are good words). But You can not get enlightened are your words, not his. He didn't often use the E

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread Peter
. --- On Tue, 1/27/09, yifuxero yifux...@yahoo.com wrote: From: yifuxero yifux...@yahoo.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 11:00 PM --you say, to paraphrase: (according to MMY, those are good

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread enlightened_dawn11
. Those are good words. --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: From: Peter drpetersutphen@ Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 8:18 PM

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread Peter
--- On Wed, 1/28/09, boo_lives boo_li...@yahoo.com wrote: From: boo_lives boo_li...@yahoo.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 12:27 PM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread Peter
blowing. One big yoni, one big lingam. Stand back! --- On Wed, 1/28/09, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread Vaj
On Jan 28, 2009, at 12:27 PM, boo_lives wrote: That a (shocking small) percentage of long term sidhas have had from here to here advaita experiences doesn't prove anything about what MMY really taught and nurtured in his followers. Reality is from here to here, people in every spiritual movt

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread Vaj
Don't worry, we've set the blade extra low on the akashic landmower. On Jan 28, 2009, at 12:40 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: lol-- i got as far as the grasshopper living among the weeds and then got lost...

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread enlightened_dawn11
of pure consciousness. They always were functioning like this, but a delusion of a you was present. --- On Tue, 1/27/09, yifuxero yifux...@... wrote: From: yifuxero yifux...@... Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread enlightened_dawn11
and you know this, monkey, from your VAST EXPERIENCE with TM, right??? lets see, 4 years worth according to you, several decades ago...yup, qualifies for a banana... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Jan 28, 2009, at 12:27 PM, boo_lives wrote: That a

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread enlightened_dawn11
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote: It is amazing that more people are not Realized in the TMO. One reason, as you imply, is that Maharishi was way too successful in creating a waking state model that explained enlightenment. People have become trapped in

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread boo_lives
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Jan 28, 2009, at 12:27 PM, boo_lives wrote: That a (shocking small) percentage of long term sidhas have had from here to here advaita experiences doesn't prove anything about what MMY really taught and nurtured in his

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread Vaj
On Jan 28, 2009, at 1:02 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: and you know this, monkey, from your VAST EXPERIENCE with TM, right??? lets see, 4 years worth according to you, several decades ago...yup, qualifies for a banana... Four years? Not according to me!

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread yifuxero
--Thx raunch. I like you. Short of defining them, it's easier to say that Neo-Advaitins focus solely on Being or whatever term they use (perhaps the Self); but without giving an account of their transition through the relative layers of existence and diminishing the importance of everything

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread Arhata Osho
...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 4:56 PM agreed-- really well said dr. pete. enlightenment is real, viable and experienced- - just not by -thinking

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread enlightened_dawn11
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Jan 28, 2009, at 1:02 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: and you know this, monkey, from your VAST EXPERIENCE with TM, right??? lets see, 4 years worth according to you, several decades ago...yup, qualifies for a banana...

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread Vaj
On Jan 28, 2009, at 1:23 PM, boo_lives wrote: Of course you nailed that one right on the head--and let's not forget that these are now coached advaita experiences ever since MMY presided over the course dredging for moods. People are being encouraged to moodmake their own projected

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread enlightened_dawn11
c'mon monkey, you're just making shit up to fit your prejudices-- the reason no one tells you anything except the crumbs you can find scampering under the table is that you're too full of yourself to even hear it. have a banana and stfu. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@...

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: You can not get enlightened. This is very true. In waking state there is an experience of an individuality; a private psychological

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread I am the eternal
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net wrote: Of course you nailed that one right on the head--and let's not forget that these are now *coached* advaita experiences ever since MMY presided over the course dredging for moods. People are being encouraged to moodmake

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread I am the eternal
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 12:23 PM, boo_lives boo_li...@yahoo.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: Could you say more about the script - I'm curious what flavor of enlightenment experience has gotten the approval. Is it still going on now that mmy is gone?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread Bhairitu
ruthsimplicity wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@... wrote: enlightenment is that state of consciousness in which a person no longer identifies with, and gets lost in, the objects of perception. This sounds like the I don't care anymore

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread Vaj
Thanks for taking the time to openly respond to this question. Your openness is appreciated. On Jan 28, 2009, at 3:12 PM, I am the eternal wrote: Been there, done that, plan to go back and do it again. There is no script given to the IA CPs. There is no script. However TMO people will

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread raunchydog
: Peter drpetersutphen@ Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 8:18 PM Enlightenment is not what you think. --- On Tue, 1/27/09, ruthsimplicity no_re

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: your definitions all sound so monkey-like. here's a banana, my little chiquita. enlightenment is that state of consciousness

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread raunchydog
words. --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: From: Peter drpetersutphen@ Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 27

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: --In other words, mind is a secondary witness to Witnessing; a fact even the Neo-Advaitins can't deny. (some mind-entity - illusory or not - is making

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread Peter
Let's face it, the TMO would be a lot healthier if people had sex (and chicken sandwiches) on a more regular basis. --- On Wed, 1/28/09, raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com wrote: From: raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread Vaj
On Jan 28, 2009, at 6:57 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: --In other words, mind is a secondary witness to Witnessing; a fact even the Neo-Advaitins can't deny. (some

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread boo_lives
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: Thanks for taking the time to openly respond to this question. Your openness *is* appreciated. On Jan 28, 2009, at 3:12 PM, I am the eternal wrote:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread I am the eternal
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 7:00 PM, boo_lives boo_li...@yahoo.com wrote: The experience has to fit in with Maharishi's teachings and not be conjecture. I had a number of sentences struck out because, according to Doug B, the experiences could not be verified. snip What nonsense. The only

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread raunchydog
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote: Let's face it, the TMO would be a lot healthier if people had sex (and chicken sandwiches) on a more regular basis. Grasshopper gives Peter one leg up for chicken sandwich idea and two legs up for sex.

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig lengli...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: --In other words, mind is a secondary witness to Witnessing; a fact even the

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-27 Thread enlightened_dawn11
your definitions all sound so monkey-like. here's a banana, my little chiquita. enlightenment is that state of consciousness in which a person no longer identifies with, and gets lost in, the objects of perception. this can't be accomplished on the thinking level. it is not about thinking,

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-27 Thread enlightened_dawn11
i meant Transcendental MEDitation, not MADitation, though at times along the way i confess to have felt quite crazy.:) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@... wrote: your definitions all sound so monkey-like. here's a banana, my little chiquita.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-27 Thread Vaj
On Jan 27, 2009, at 10:50 AM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: the most effective way to establish that state is by alternating the practice of transcending with activity. the easiest way to do this is through the regular (2x a day) practice of Transcendental Maditation, or TM. Interesting how it

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-27 Thread Vaj
On Jan 27, 2009, at 10:53 AM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: i meant Transcendental MEDitation, not MADitation, though at times along the way i confess to have felt quite crazy.:) It was just a Freudian slip, I wouldn't worry too much about it. And about the crazy feelings, yes we all noticed,

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-27 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@... wrote: your definitions all sound so monkey-like. here's a banana, my little chiquita. enlightenment is that state of consciousness in which a person no longer identifies with, and gets lost in, the objects of

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-27 Thread grate . swan
A corrupt marketing tool and identity crutch used by those who feel that the natural culmination of life processes is something that can be packaged, sold and owned.

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-27 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@... wrote: your definitions all sound so monkey-like. here's a banana, my little chiquita. enlightenment is that state of consciousness in which a person no longer identifies with, and gets lost in, the objects of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-27 Thread Kirk
the most effective way to establish that state is by alternating the practice of transcending with activity. the easiest way to do this is through the regular (2x a day) practice of Transcendental Maditation, or TM. ---Ah if you must know I started feeling the all oneness thing about six

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-27 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernha...@... wrote: And wearing Shiva around ones neck is a very close and personal tantra in any case. Sitting at a bar, seing Shiva twinkling in an offered line, and thank you Lord. I would be more inclined to believe you saw a god in the

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-27 Thread Duveyoung
curtisdeltablues wrote: enlightenment is that state of consciousness in which a person no longer identifies with, and gets lost in, the objects of perception. You know this sounds like a made-up problem to solve. I never met anyone who was lost in or identified with the objects of

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-27 Thread enlightened_dawn11
i can relate to the mystical avenues for gaining enlightenment also. but those come and go, and are a less reliable path for the establishment of non-identification. more a validation of the worthiness of the path, than a means to establish Being. also the use of drugs to enable mystical

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-27 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: Identity is non-physical with the intent to reach a deeper clarity about it? Or do you think I'm just slinging Advaita shit that can safely be dismissed? Does ya got twelve in the juryroom still? My identity is not physical.

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-27 Thread enlightened_dawn11
i was never able to learn touch typing, so i am not able to correct as i type, only through proofreading afterwards. thanks for your concern, though... have a banana, you've earned another one today, oh cuddly and cute king of monkeys! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@...

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-27 Thread enlightened_dawn11
you are trying so hard today, curt, and your reward is due-- enjoy a banana! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: your definitions all sound so monkey-like. here's a

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-27 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@... wrote: you are trying so hard today, curt, and your reward is due-- enjoy a banana! Who is Curt? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-27 Thread Duveyoung
Curtis, Under no circumstances are you to take a banana from ED11. Not that there's anything wrong with that! - Jerry Seinfeld Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@... wrote: you are trying so hard today, curt, and your reward is due-- enjoy a banana!

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-27 Thread enlightened_dawn11
excellent starting point! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: you are trying so hard today, curt, and your reward is due-- enjoy a banana! Who is Curt?

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-27 Thread Marek Reavis
I also acknowledge that I have an aspect of my mind that is an unchanging witness of my personality. It is an artifact of consciousness and a part of being human if you choose to spend enough time to notice it. I'll even acknowledge that meditating helps you notice this aspect of your mind more

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-27 Thread yifuxero
--In other words, mind is a secondary witness to Witnessing; a fact even the Neo-Advaitins can't deny. (some mind-entity - illusory or not - is making various claims). What is the value of having those experiences.? If there is value in such experiences why aren't those experiencing It

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-27 Thread enlightened_dawn11
why, the bananas come from the forest, my little chiquita! they grow in big bunches there, and are ripe for the monkeys to eat. us humans don't insert them anywhere except our mouths. does my little chiquita put them other places? can you describe please, my little chiquita? --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-27 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifux...@... wrote: --In other words, mind is a secondary witness to Witnessing; a fact even the Neo-Advaitins can't deny. (some mind-entity - illusory or not - is making various claims). What is the value of having those experiences.? That

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-27 Thread enlightened_dawn11
interesting-- what do you mean by mind is a secondary witness to witnessing? i enjoy the paradox of witnessing occuring on its own, by virtue of the witness (atman), but it needs the mind to express the definition of witnessing, in order to communicate anything at all about it. wouldn't it be

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-27 Thread enlightened_dawn11
bravo monkey! chatter, chatter, chatter. are you done playing with your banana, and have decided to begin chattering again? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-27 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@... wrote: enlightenment is that state of consciousness in which a person no longer identifies with, and gets lost in, the objects of perception. This sounds like the I don't care anymore definition of enlightenment.

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-27 Thread enlightened_dawn11
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: enlightenment is that state of consciousness in which a person no longer identifies with, and gets lost in, the objects of perception.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-27 Thread Peter
Enlightenment is not what you think. --- On Tue, 1/27/09, ruthsimplicity no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: ruthsimplicity no_re...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 5:10 PM

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-27 Thread raunchydog
for the red pill) Remember -- all I am offering is the truth, nothing more. (Neo takes the red pill and swallows it with a glass of water) --- On Tue, 1/27/09, ruthsimplicity no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: ruthsimplicity no_re...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-27 Thread Peter
Now Raunch, did you pull that from memory? --- On Tue, 1/27/09, raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com wrote: From: raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 9:16 PM

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-27 Thread Peter
there according to Maharishi. Those are good words. --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Peter drpetersutp...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Peter drpetersutp...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 8:18 PM

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-27 Thread yifuxero
drpetersutp...@... Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 8:18 PM Enlightenment is not what you think. --- On Tue, 1/27/09, ruthsimplicity no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: From

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-27 Thread grate . swan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: your definitions all sound so monkey-like. here's a banana, my little chiquita. enlightenment is that state of consciousness

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-27 Thread raunchydog
...@... Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 9:16 PM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Enlightenment is not what you think. Morpheus: I know exactly what you mean

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-27 Thread raunchydog
Snake! It's a snake! Calm down folks, GrateSwan thought his shoelace was a snake but now that he has blown his nose (properly) and he has greater mental clarity, everyone can put away their snake bite kit. Swan apologizes for panicking. He realizes identifying with the snake was a mistake of his