[FairfieldLife] Re: eating meat/ostrich anyone?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > After many years of following a primarily vegetarian diet I have > blimped out with no end in sight. It's clear that the grains, > startchy veggies, beans will keep packing the pounds on my > already not small frame. That was my experience as well. I hit my mid-30's and the weight started packing on until I hit 190 pounds in the summer of 2003, at age 42. Six months later, on a diet of meat and veggies and a tiny fraction the grain and beans I used to eat, I was down to 160. A year and a half of weight training has muscled me up to 175, and I've never felt better. Lots of energy. Nice physique. > Also, has anyone tried ostrich? Ostrich and emu are delish... I think they look and taste quite similar to beef. But, proper cooking is essential! They have very little fat, and when overcooked, become tough as leather. Gotta at least leave some pink in the middle (rare is best, IMO). Alex Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: eating meat/ostrich anyone?
Tofu--it's what for dinner. Sal On Nov 11, 2005, at 9:05 AM, akasha_108 wrote: Tofu -- its gotta be more easily broken down than chicken, and certainly beef.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: eating meat/ostrich anyone?
authfriend wrote: >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >wrote: > > > >>I tend to mix it up -- I have added 1 free-range no-hormone eggs to >>my diet per day (6g) (or so), 4-8 oz firm tofu (20-40 g), a bit of >>low fat cheese (5-10g), a couple of cups of skim milk (in coffee >>and tea mostly) (18 g) , a skinless chicken breast once in a while >>(20-30 g). A few nuts now and then -- not regualrly -- too heavy >>for me. And lots of fresh vegies (10 g), and fruit only as an >>occasional treat. The protein to carb ratio of such exceeds the >>zone, but is not as drastic as atkins. >> >> > >10 grams of vegetables? That isn't very much. Is that >a typo? > >You should also be getting a healthy amount of a good >monounsaturated oil, like olive oil, 30 percent of your >calories. Nuts have it too; you don't have to eat many >of 'em. Are almonds really too heavy for you? > >The Zone diet doesn't worry much about the amount of >fat as long as it's not all saturated. The idea >behind the diet is that you tailor it to your own >metabolic needs--if you're feeling hungry all the >time, add more fat, preferably monounsaturated; and >adjust the protein-to-carb ratio until you're feeling >good and losing weight (if that's your goal). > >According to the Zone diet, there's nothing wrong wth >fruit as long as it's low glycemic--like berries, apples, >peaches, and so on. Just eat fruit like pineapple or >banana in very small quantities. (There are plenty of >lists available of which veggies and fruits are low >glycemic.) > > > Sears has done some good work but even he admits that his diet isn't for everyone. I'm often amused at the mystical properties of fruit as some have very little nutritional value whatsoever. I just think the nutritionists want to believe they're good for because they're so pretty. :) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: eating meat/ostrich anyone?
authfriend wrote: >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>Proper cooking (and or chopping), and chewing is important. >> >> > >*Especially* chewing. I was very impressed with the >Ayur-Vedic principle that thoroughly chewing food is >important because the tastebuds can then give the >digestive system advance notice as to what kind of >food to expect, giving it time to get ready to receive >it properly. If you bolt your food, the digestive >system doesn't have a chance to prepare the most >effective secretions and enzymes and so on. > > People who bolt their food usually have a vata aggravation. OTOH, you have to be pretty cerebral to do some of the chewing exercises some nutritionists recommend. But then many nutritionists are cerebral, usually have a vata constitution and never had a weight problem in their life so they really don't understand the problem. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: eating meat/ostrich anyone?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Proper cooking (and or chopping), and chewing is important. *Especially* chewing. I was very impressed with the Ayur-Vedic principle that thoroughly chewing food is important because the tastebuds can then give the digestive system advance notice as to what kind of food to expect, giving it time to get ready to receive it properly. If you bolt your food, the digestive system doesn't have a chance to prepare the most effective secretions and enzymes and so on. Mixing the food well with saliva is also important for good digestion and assimilation. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: eating meat/ostrich anyone?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Just a quick adder on the quality of protein in veg diets. Some > people think you can't get enough quality protein from veg sources. > Its just not true. > > > snip > > > There's the question of the body's ability to assimilate the > nutrients in foods. > > Agreed. Though a veg diet seems much more digestible to me. Tofu -- > its gotta be more easily broken down than chicken, and certainly beef. > > > > I tried for a long time to go veg. and be careful about getting > enough protein but felt low energy the whole time. > > Maybe it was lack of iron or B-vits, not protein. Proper cooking (and > or chopping), and chewing is important. I often use a food processor > to finely chop veggies -- for salads, or light low heat cooking -- to > improve absorbsion. > > And yes, one needs to supplement a veg diet with plenty of with b12. > And iron -- which can be obtained by good vegetables --- kale and > chard in particular. Its a myth that one needs beef for sufficient iron. > > > > Anyway, my body felt totally different after eating meat compared > to a high-protein veg meal. > > > Some times its the high carbs in a high protein veg meal. One can get > adequate protein from rice and beans -- but the carb load is so high, > it can have bad effects on the body, particularly energy levels -- and > on how one feels. > > > > I'm not discouraging people from veg. diets, just to say always go > by how your body/mind is feeling, not just the theory. > > Yes, ultimately diet needs to make you feel good. But good research is > good too, so one is clear on what the body needs, and what foods > provide it. There are a lot of misinformation and mythhs out there > that a bit of research can dispel. > Although my approach (what approach?) is different, I studied nutrition a lot for awhile and imo your advice here is right on. Solid info. Thanks. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: eating meat/ostrich anyone?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Just a quick adder on the quality of protein in veg diets. Some people think you can't get enough quality protein from veg sources. Its just not true. > snip > There's the question of the body's ability to assimilate the nutrients in foods. Agreed. Though a veg diet seems much more digestible to me. Tofu -- its gotta be more easily broken down than chicken, and certainly beef. > I tried for a long time to go veg. and be careful about getting enough protein but felt low energy the whole time. Maybe it was lack of iron or B-vits, not protein. Proper cooking (and or chopping), and chewing is important. I often use a food processor to finely chop veggies -- for salads, or light low heat cooking -- to improve absorbsion. And yes, one needs to supplement a veg diet with plenty of with b12. And iron -- which can be obtained by good vegetables --- kale and chard in particular. Its a myth that one needs beef for sufficient iron. > Anyway, my body felt totally different after eating meat compared to a high-protein veg meal. Some times its the high carbs in a high protein veg meal. One can get adequate protein from rice and beans -- but the carb load is so high, it can have bad effects on the body, particularly energy levels -- and on how one feels. > I'm not discouraging people from veg. diets, just to say always go by how your body/mind is feeling, not just the theory. Yes, ultimately diet needs to make you feel good. But good research is good too, so one is clear on what the body needs, and what foods provide it. There are a lot of misinformation and mythhs out there that a bit of research can dispel. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: eating meat/ostrich anyone?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Just a quick adder on the quality of protein in veg diets. Some people > > think you can't get enough quality protein from veg sources. Its just > > not true. > snip > > There's the question of the body's ability to assimilate the nutrients in foods. Agreed. Though a veg diet seems much more digestible to me. Tofu -- its gotta be more easily broken down than chicken, and certainly beef. > I tried for a long time to go veg. and be careful about getting enough protein but felt low energy the whole time. Maybe it was lack of iron or B-vits, not protein. Proper cooking (and or chopping), and chewing is important. I often use a food processor to finely chop veggies -- for salads, or light low heat cooking -- to improve absorbsion. Yes, one needs to supplement a veg diet with plenty of with b12. And iron -- which can be obtained by good vegetables --- kale and chard in particular. Its a myth that one needs beef for sufficient iron. > Anyway, my body felt totally different after eating meat compared to a high-protein veg meal. Some times its the high carbs in a high protein veg meal. One can get adequate protein from rice and beans -- but the carb load is so high, it can have bad effects on the body, particularly energy levels -- and on how one feels. > I'm not discouraging people from veg. diets, just to say always go by how your body/mind is feeling, not just the theory. Yes, ultimately diet needs to make you feel good. But good research is good too, so one is clear on what the body needs, and what foods provide it. There are a lot of misinformation and mythhs out there that a bit of research can dispell. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: eating meat/ostrich anyone?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > I know this is going to sound rediculously simple, but your body > > does in fact know what it wants to eat, so truly eat whatever you > > want- sometimes steak, sometimes candy, sometimes veggies, etc, etc. > > > > If only! > The times I have gotten into trouble with my diet is if I am feeding something other than my body, like trying to soothe my heart or mind. Like when I was looking for work after the dot com bomb and couldn't find any and unemployment around here was 30%, I ate a lot of junk food just out of desperation. But that is the exception, and now I just feed my body. Made an absolutely wonderful cheeseburger over the weekend with garlic and sea salt in the meat, and topped with irish cheddar and red onion. Yum!! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: eating meat/ostrich anyone?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Just a quick adder on the quality of protein in veg diets. Some people > think you can't get enough quality protein from veg sources. Its just > not true. snip There's the question of the body's ability to assimilate the nutrients in foods. I tried for a long time to go veg. and be careful about getting enough protein but felt low energy the whole time. Maybe it was lack of iron or B-vits, not protein. Anyway, my body felt totally different after eating meat compared to a high-protein veg meal. I'm not discouraging people from veg. diets, just to say always go by how your body/mind is feeling, not just the theory. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: eating meat/ostrich anyone?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > I tend to mix it up -- I have added 1 free-range no-hormone eggs to > > my diet per day (6g) (or so), 4-8 oz firm tofu (20-40 g), a bit > > low fat cheese (5-10g), a couple of cups of skim milk (in coffee > > and tea mostly) (18 g) , a skinless chicken breast once in a while > > (20-30 g). A few nuts now and then -- not regualrly -- too heavy > > for me. And lots of fresh vegies (10 g), and fruit only as an > > occasional treat. The protein to carb ratio of such exceeds the > > zone, but is not as drastic as atkins. > > 10 grams of vegetables? That isn't very much. Is that > a typo? The numbers in parens are the grams of protein. Previously I had stated the grams of protein in each specifically. The parens numbers here were summary to show these foods as a group gave adequate protein. Sorry if that context was not clear. But how could two glasses of milk wight 18 grams? Or lots of vegetables weigh 10 g -- thats a third of an oz) > You should also be getting a healthy amount of a good > monounsaturated oil, like olive oil, 30 percent of your > calories. Nuts have it too; you don't have to eat many > of 'em. Are almonds really too heavy for you? The above was just a summary of my main protein sources. See adjacent post -- I get plenty of olive oil, and other fats from avacados (high in monos and methionine) and nuts -- particularly brazil -- higest food source of methionine, and walnuts -- high in omega-3s. And I love cashews, so I indulge at bit. Ground sesseme too, semi-high in methionine. Almonds are hard to digest for me. Roasting on low heat helps. And most importantly, IMO, lots of high quality omega-3 supplements. Nordic Naturals is a good brand -- amazing story on how they produce their oils.) > According to the Zone diet, there's nothing wrong wth > fruit as long as it's low glycemic--like berries, apples, > peaches, and so on. Cherries are the lowest actually. And luckly are my favorite fuit. Everyone needs to find what works for them. I find grains, beans and fruits, in the quantities I used to eat were way too much for me. You may differ. I find a diet with adequate protein, from veg sourses mostly, low carbs and adequate high grade oils work best for me. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: eating meat/ostrich anyone?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I tend to mix it up -- I have added 1 free-range no-hormone eggs to > my diet per day (6g) (or so), 4-8 oz firm tofu (20-40 g), a bit of > low fat cheese (5-10g), a couple of cups of skim milk (in coffee > and tea mostly) (18 g) , a skinless chicken breast once in a while > (20-30 g). A few nuts now and then -- not regualrly -- too heavy > for me. And lots of fresh vegies (10 g), and fruit only as an > occasional treat. The protein to carb ratio of such exceeds the > zone, but is not as drastic as atkins. 10 grams of vegetables? That isn't very much. Is that a typo? You should also be getting a healthy amount of a good monounsaturated oil, like olive oil, 30 percent of your calories. Nuts have it too; you don't have to eat many of 'em. Are almonds really too heavy for you? The Zone diet doesn't worry much about the amount of fat as long as it's not all saturated. The idea behind the diet is that you tailor it to your own metabolic needs--if you're feeling hungry all the time, add more fat, preferably monounsaturated; and adjust the protein-to-carb ratio until you're feeling good and losing weight (if that's your goal). According to the Zone diet, there's nothing wrong wth fruit as long as it's low glycemic--like berries, apples, peaches, and so on. Just eat fruit like pineapple or banana in very small quantities. (There are plenty of lists available of which veggies and fruits are low glycemic.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: eating meat/ostrich anyone?
Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Also your diet sounds a little too narrow. Most all nutritionists now agree (even in Ayurveda) that rotation is a good idea and to eat a lot of variety appropriate to your dietary type. Without rotation allergies may occur. Yes, variety is good. Tofu, milk, cheese, some nuts, eggs, an occaional chcken breast, lots of many typed of vegetables, some avacado, some olive oil is my "core" diet. It meets most or all nutritional requirements, including high quality digestable protein. And vegegtables are so varied. Lots of variety there. But living in the world, I venture off on many other things occcasion, including grains, legumes/beans and fruits, and seafood. The only thing missing between my core diet, and the periodic ventures to the outer ring, is red meat and refined carbs (except ON some special occasions for the latter). Not a requirement as far as I can see, and in my experience. And I take good supplements. Including b12, which is essential for veggers, and pharmacutectal grade omega-3s. > > - Bhairitu > > > akasha_108 wrote: > > >Just a quick adder on the quality of protein in veg diets. Some people > >think you can't get enough quality protein from veg sources. Its just > >not true. > > > >Following are the 8 necessary amino acids for humans, and their > >percentages in composition compared to milk. The only one really out > >of whack is methionine at 55%. But by eating some foods richer in > >methionine can help balance this out. Brazil nuts are way high -- 250 > >% higher than milk. And seseme seeds, avacados, eggs, brussel sprouts > >all exceed the methionine compostion of milk (relative to other amino > >acids.) Even with balancing, a veg diet might end up at 80% or so > >methionine of the compositition of milk. > > > >But there are no studies that milk has the deal balance of methionine > >relative to other amino acids. Its probably a good mix for calves, but > >not necessarily needed by adult humans. I can't find any studies on it. > > > >Regardless, by increasing protein intake by 20% over your target > >(which is pretty nebulous figure to start with, anywhere from 30-80 > >grams) one would achieve the same amount of methionine as in a dairy > >diet. Meat has about 15% more methionine per gram of protien than > >milk, so a 25-30 % or so greater load of veggie protien compared to a > >meat diet would give a similar level of methionine (its not all meat > >it would not have to be 30-40% which would be needed for equal > >methionine levels for a pure meat diet). > > > >So still, 8 oz firm tofu, 2 glasses of milk, a brazil nut, a slice of > >avocado, an oz of cheese and lots of veggies gives you 65-75 grams of > >protein -- 25-30%% over a target of 50 grams. Thus such a diet would > >be eqivalent in methionine levels (and higher in other essential amino > >acids) compared to a meat diet. > > > > > > > >Tryptophan__119.70% > >Threonine__ 98.30% > >Isoleucine__89.10% > >Leucine_84.30% > >Lysine__90.20% > >Methionine__55.00% > >Phenylalanine___109.20% > >Valine__81.90% > > > > > > > > > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >>Hey thanks (and to everyone who responded). That is a well-thought out > >>response based on your first-hand experience. I have been reading > >>about diet for years and would not have been able to synthesize all > >>I've learned that succinctly. > >> > >>I'm going to give buffalo meat, very low in fat and low in saturated > >>fat, wild alaskan salmon and free range chicken, twice per day, for a > >>month and see how it all goes. > >> > >>Again, thanks > >> > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> > >>>anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> > >>> > After many years of following a primarily vegetarian diet I have > blimped out with no end in sight. It's clear that the grains, > > > >startchy > > > > > veggies, beans will keep packing the pounds on my already not small > frame. > > So, after much research I am now adding some form of meat to my diet > twice daily, 3-4 ounces each time. > > > >>>... > >>> > >>> > I'd really be interested in hearing from others who gave up their > vegetarian diet and added meat back in their diet. > > > >>>I went through the same thing some years ago -- figuring out that rice > >>>and beans and veggies were not an ideal diet -- though the doctor, > >>>Rothenberg?, at the LA av place told me, "excellent diet, thats all > >>>you need" > >>> > >>>I read a lot, got into the theory behind zone and atkins, tried a lot > >>>of high protein and "protein adequate" (a zone phrase) food > >>>combinations. And researched food compostions pretty deeply --created > >>>a large spreadsheet dumping data from dept ag data base (excellent > >>>foo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: eating meat/ostrich anyone?
But what works for one person will not necessarily work for another. For example we all have different carbohydrate burning rates. Some burn carbs too fast and some burn too slow. Both situations can cause obesity. Note that carbohydrate burning rates are at the basis of most Asian diet systems. And some people can utilize vegetable protein quite well and others may not. That will often depend on what your ancestors ate. For instance I was told by my guru not to eat beef because it would kill my meditation. Unfortunately he told me this several weeks after my initiation and I had already eaten beef. Guess what? No negative effect whatsoever to my meditation. The way I figure it is that Indians who do not traditionally eat beef do not have the enzymes to break it down like many westerners do. Furthermore when attending a talk with him before the talk he mentioned he was hungry but we didn't have time to grab anything. So I happened to have a high protein energy bar (soy and whey) and he said that sat in his stomach whereas the same bar for me was easily digested. Also your diet sounds a little too narrow. Most all nutritionists now agree (even in Ayurveda) that rotation is a good idea and to eat a lot of variety appropriate to your dietary type. Without rotation allergies may occur. - Bhairitu akasha_108 wrote: >Just a quick adder on the quality of protein in veg diets. Some people >think you can't get enough quality protein from veg sources. Its just >not true. > >Following are the 8 necessary amino acids for humans, and their >percentages in composition compared to milk. The only one really out >of whack is methionine at 55%. But by eating some foods richer in >methionine can help balance this out. Brazil nuts are way high -- 250 >% higher than milk. And seseme seeds, avacados, eggs, brussel sprouts >all exceed the methionine compostion of milk (relative to other amino >acids.) Even with balancing, a veg diet might end up at 80% or so >methionine of the compositition of milk. > >But there are no studies that milk has the deal balance of methionine >relative to other amino acids. Its probably a good mix for calves, but >not necessarily needed by adult humans. I can't find any studies on it. > >Regardless, by increasing protein intake by 20% over your target >(which is pretty nebulous figure to start with, anywhere from 30-80 >grams) one would achieve the same amount of methionine as in a dairy >diet. Meat has about 15% more methionine per gram of protien than >milk, so a 25-30 % or so greater load of veggie protien compared to a >meat diet would give a similar level of methionine (its not all meat >it would not have to be 30-40% which would be needed for equal >methionine levels for a pure meat diet). > >So still, 8 oz firm tofu, 2 glasses of milk, a brazil nut, a slice of >avocado, an oz of cheese and lots of veggies gives you 65-75 grams of >protein -- 25-30%% over a target of 50 grams. Thus such a diet would >be eqivalent in methionine levels (and higher in other essential amino >acids) compared to a meat diet. > > > >Tryptophan__119.70% >Threonine__98.30% >Isoleucine__89.10% >Leucine_84.30% >Lysine__90.20% >Methionine__55.00% >Phenylalanine___109.20% >Valine__81.90% > > > > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>Hey thanks (and to everyone who responded). That is a well-thought out >>response based on your first-hand experience. I have been reading >>about diet for years and would not have been able to synthesize all >>I've learned that succinctly. >> >>I'm going to give buffalo meat, very low in fat and low in saturated >>fat, wild alaskan salmon and free range chicken, twice per day, for a >>month and see how it all goes. >> >>Again, thanks >> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >>>anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> After many years of following a primarily vegetarian diet I have blimped out with no end in sight. It's clear that the grains, >startchy > > veggies, beans will keep packing the pounds on my already not small frame. So, after much research I am now adding some form of meat to my diet twice daily, 3-4 ounces each time. >>>... >>> >>> I'd really be interested in hearing from others who gave up their vegetarian diet and added meat back in their diet. >>>I went through the same thing some years ago -- figuring out that rice >>>and beans and veggies were not an ideal diet -- though the doctor, >>>Rothenberg?, at the LA av place told me, "excellent diet, thats all >>>you need" >>> >>>I read a lot, got into the theory behind zone and atkins, tried a lot >>>of high protein and "protein adequate" (a zone phrase) food >>>combinations. And researched food compostions pretty deeply --created >>>a
[FairfieldLife] Re: eating meat/ostrich anyone?
Yea, no dairy makes it more difficult. But tofu, veggies and some brazil nuts can give you all the high quality protein you need. And if you can tolerate eggs, 1-2 a day helps. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > my quick adder onner---I'm totally allergic to milk and dont even > bother trying any of the guaranteed ways to overcome the allergy, none > of them are worth the month it takes me to get rid of the aftereffects. > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Just a quick adder on the quality of protein in veg diets. Some people > > think you can't get enough quality protein from veg sources. Its just > > not true. > > > > Following are the 8 necessary amino acids for humans, and their > > percentages in composition compared to milk. The only one really out > > of whack is methionine at 55%. But by eating some foods richer in > > methionine can help balance this out. Brazil nuts are way high -- 250 > > % higher than milk. And seseme seeds, avacados, eggs, brussel sprouts > > all exceed the methionine compostion of milk (relative to other amino > > acids.) Even with balancing, a veg diet might end up at 80% or so > > methionine of the compositition of milk. > > > > But there are no studies that milk has the deal balance of methionine > > relative to other amino acids. Its probably a good mix for calves, but > > not necessarily needed by adult humans. I can't find any studies on it. > > > > Regardless, by increasing protein intake by 20% over your target > > (which is pretty nebulous figure to start with, anywhere from 30-80 > > grams) one would achieve the same amount of methionine as in a dairy > > diet. Meat has about 15% more methionine per gram of protien than > > milk, so a 25-30 % or so greater load of veggie protien compared to a > > meat diet would give a similar level of methionine (its not all meat > > it would not have to be 30-40% which would be needed for equal > > methionine levels for a pure meat diet). > > > > So still, 8 oz firm tofu, 2 glasses of milk, a brazil nut, a slice of > > avocado, an oz of cheese and lots of veggies gives you 65-75 grams of > > protein -- 25-30%% over a target of 50 grams. Thus such a diet would > > be eqivalent in methionine levels (and higher in other essential amino > > acids) compared to a meat diet. > > > > > > > > Tryptophan__119.70% > > Threonine__ 98.30% > > Isoleucine__89.10% > > Leucine_84.30% > > Lysine__90.20% > > Methionine__55.00% > > Phenylalanine___109.20% > > Valine__81.90% > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Hey thanks (and to everyone who responded). That is a well-thought out > > > response based on your first-hand experience. I have been reading > > > about diet for years and would not have been able to synthesize all > > > I've learned that succinctly. > > > > > > I'm going to give buffalo meat, very low in fat and low in saturated > > > fat, wild alaskan salmon and free range chicken, twice per day, for a > > > month and see how it all goes. > > > > > > Again, thanks > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > After many years of following a primarily vegetarian diet I have > > > > > blimped out with no end in sight. It's clear that the grains, > > startchy > > > > > veggies, beans will keep packing the pounds on my already not > small > > > > >frame. > > > > > > > > > > So, after much research I am now adding some form of meat to > my diet > > > > > twice daily, 3-4 ounces each time. > > > > ... > > > > > I'd really be interested in hearing from others who gave up their > > > > > vegetarian diet and added meat back in their diet. > > > > > > > > I went through the same thing some years ago -- figuring out > that rice > > > > and beans and veggies were not an ideal diet -- though the doctor, > > > > Rothenberg?, at the LA av place told me, "excellent diet, thats all > > > > you need" > > > > > > > > I read a lot, got into the theory behind zone and atkins, tried > a lot > > > > of high protein and "protein adequate" (a zone phrase) food > > > > combinations. And researched food compostions pretty deeply > --created > > > > a large spreadsheet dumping data from dept ag data base (excellent > > > > food composition source). > > > > > > > > One thing I was able to confirm is that you can get all the protein, > > > > of the right type, from a veg diet. There are 8 amino acids that > your > > > > body can't produce, and things like tofu and milk -- combined with > > > > healthy servings of vegetables ( vegs have protein too, just fairly > > > > "diluted relative to their mass) gives an amino acid mix similar to > > > meat. > > > > > > > > After 30 years or so, I played with eating egg
[FairfieldLife] Re: eating meat/ostrich anyone?
my quick adder onner---I'm totally allergic to milk and dont even bother trying any of the guaranteed ways to overcome the allergy, none of them are worth the month it takes me to get rid of the aftereffects. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Just a quick adder on the quality of protein in veg diets. Some people > think you can't get enough quality protein from veg sources. Its just > not true. > > Following are the 8 necessary amino acids for humans, and their > percentages in composition compared to milk. The only one really out > of whack is methionine at 55%. But by eating some foods richer in > methionine can help balance this out. Brazil nuts are way high -- 250 > % higher than milk. And seseme seeds, avacados, eggs, brussel sprouts > all exceed the methionine compostion of milk (relative to other amino > acids.) Even with balancing, a veg diet might end up at 80% or so > methionine of the compositition of milk. > > But there are no studies that milk has the deal balance of methionine > relative to other amino acids. Its probably a good mix for calves, but > not necessarily needed by adult humans. I can't find any studies on it. > > Regardless, by increasing protein intake by 20% over your target > (which is pretty nebulous figure to start with, anywhere from 30-80 > grams) one would achieve the same amount of methionine as in a dairy > diet. Meat has about 15% more methionine per gram of protien than > milk, so a 25-30 % or so greater load of veggie protien compared to a > meat diet would give a similar level of methionine (its not all meat > it would not have to be 30-40% which would be needed for equal > methionine levels for a pure meat diet). > > So still, 8 oz firm tofu, 2 glasses of milk, a brazil nut, a slice of > avocado, an oz of cheese and lots of veggies gives you 65-75 grams of > protein -- 25-30%% over a target of 50 grams. Thus such a diet would > be eqivalent in methionine levels (and higher in other essential amino > acids) compared to a meat diet. > > > > Tryptophan__119.70% > Threonine__ 98.30% > Isoleucine__89.10% > Leucine_84.30% > Lysine__90.20% > Methionine__55.00% > Phenylalanine___109.20% > Valine__81.90% > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hey thanks (and to everyone who responded). That is a well-thought out > > response based on your first-hand experience. I have been reading > > about diet for years and would not have been able to synthesize all > > I've learned that succinctly. > > > > I'm going to give buffalo meat, very low in fat and low in saturated > > fat, wild alaskan salmon and free range chicken, twice per day, for a > > month and see how it all goes. > > > > Again, thanks > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > After many years of following a primarily vegetarian diet I have > > > > blimped out with no end in sight. It's clear that the grains, > startchy > > > > veggies, beans will keep packing the pounds on my already not small > > > >frame. > > > > > > > > So, after much research I am now adding some form of meat to my diet > > > > twice daily, 3-4 ounces each time. > > > ... > > > > I'd really be interested in hearing from others who gave up their > > > > vegetarian diet and added meat back in their diet. > > > > > > I went through the same thing some years ago -- figuring out that rice > > > and beans and veggies were not an ideal diet -- though the doctor, > > > Rothenberg?, at the LA av place told me, "excellent diet, thats all > > > you need" > > > > > > I read a lot, got into the theory behind zone and atkins, tried a lot > > > of high protein and "protein adequate" (a zone phrase) food > > > combinations. And researched food compostions pretty deeply --created > > > a large spreadsheet dumping data from dept ag data base (excellent > > > food composition source). > > > > > > One thing I was able to confirm is that you can get all the protein, > > > of the right type, from a veg diet. There are 8 amino acids that your > > > body can't produce, and things like tofu and milk -- combined with > > > healthy servings of vegetables ( vegs have protein too, just fairly > > > "diluted relative to their mass) gives an amino acid mix similar to > > meat. > > > > > > After 30 years or so, I played with eating eggs, chicken, fish, but no > > > red meat. One issue with fish is the surprisingly high mercury > > > levels, so I abandoned eating that regularly. Though all animal > > > products have their curse (perhaps literally) -- hormones in > > chickens etc. > > > > > > And I cut way down on carbs -- I gave up, for the most part, grains > > > and beans. And things like honey (I have not used sugar since my teens > > > -- except in specialty things once in a while). And I cut w
[FairfieldLife] Re: eating meat/ostrich anyone?
Just a quick adder on the quality of protein in veg diets. Some people think you can't get enough quality protein from veg sources. Its just not true. Following are the 8 necessary amino acids for humans, and their percentages in composition compared to milk. The only one really out of whack is methionine at 55%. But by eating some foods richer in methionine can help balance this out. Brazil nuts are way high -- 250 % higher than milk. And seseme seeds, avacados, eggs, brussel sprouts all exceed the methionine compostion of milk (relative to other amino acids.) Even with balancing, a veg diet might end up at 80% or so methionine of the compositition of milk. But there are no studies that milk has the deal balance of methionine relative to other amino acids. Its probably a good mix for calves, but not necessarily needed by adult humans. I can't find any studies on it. Regardless, by increasing protein intake by 20% over your target (which is pretty nebulous figure to start with, anywhere from 30-80 grams) one would achieve the same amount of methionine as in a dairy diet. Meat has about 15% more methionine per gram of protien than milk, so a 25-30 % or so greater load of veggie protien compared to a meat diet would give a similar level of methionine (its not all meat it would not have to be 30-40% which would be needed for equal methionine levels for a pure meat diet). So still, 8 oz firm tofu, 2 glasses of milk, a brazil nut, a slice of avocado, an oz of cheese and lots of veggies gives you 65-75 grams of protein -- 25-30%% over a target of 50 grams. Thus such a diet would be eqivalent in methionine levels (and higher in other essential amino acids) compared to a meat diet. Tryptophan__119.70% Threonine__ 98.30% Isoleucine__89.10% Leucine_84.30% Lysine__90.20% Methionine__55.00% Phenylalanine___109.20% Valine__81.90% --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hey thanks (and to everyone who responded). That is a well-thought out > response based on your first-hand experience. I have been reading > about diet for years and would not have been able to synthesize all > I've learned that succinctly. > > I'm going to give buffalo meat, very low in fat and low in saturated > fat, wild alaskan salmon and free range chicken, twice per day, for a > month and see how it all goes. > > Again, thanks > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > After many years of following a primarily vegetarian diet I have > > > blimped out with no end in sight. It's clear that the grains, startchy > > > veggies, beans will keep packing the pounds on my already not small > > >frame. > > > > > > So, after much research I am now adding some form of meat to my diet > > > twice daily, 3-4 ounces each time. > > ... > > > I'd really be interested in hearing from others who gave up their > > > vegetarian diet and added meat back in their diet. > > > > I went through the same thing some years ago -- figuring out that rice > > and beans and veggies were not an ideal diet -- though the doctor, > > Rothenberg?, at the LA av place told me, "excellent diet, thats all > > you need" > > > > I read a lot, got into the theory behind zone and atkins, tried a lot > > of high protein and "protein adequate" (a zone phrase) food > > combinations. And researched food compostions pretty deeply --created > > a large spreadsheet dumping data from dept ag data base (excellent > > food composition source). > > > > One thing I was able to confirm is that you can get all the protein, > > of the right type, from a veg diet. There are 8 amino acids that your > > body can't produce, and things like tofu and milk -- combined with > > healthy servings of vegetables ( vegs have protein too, just fairly > > "diluted relative to their mass) gives an amino acid mix similar to > meat. > > > > After 30 years or so, I played with eating eggs, chicken, fish, but no > > red meat. One issue with fish is the surprisingly high mercury > > levels, so I abandoned eating that regularly. Though all animal > > products have their curse (perhaps literally) -- hormones in > chickens etc. > > > > And I cut way down on carbs -- I gave up, for the most part, grains > > and beans. And things like honey (I have not used sugar since my teens > > -- except in specialty things once in a while). And I cut way down on > > fruit. > > > > I think the problem with a ru diet is not the lack of protein but the > > high level of carbs which do lots of damage to your system over time. > > People switch to meat thinking their problem is low protein when its > > really high carbs. > > > > You need about 50-60 grams of protein /day if you lead a "normal > > life" - athletes in training need 100 or so. And need varies by sex, > > size etc. Actually protein need is not a settled area. The UN I think > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: eating meat/ostrich anyone?
Hey thanks (and to everyone who responded). That is a well-thought out response based on your first-hand experience. I have been reading about diet for years and would not have been able to synthesize all I've learned that succinctly. I'm going to give buffalo meat, very low in fat and low in saturated fat, wild alaskan salmon and free range chicken, twice per day, for a month and see how it all goes. Again, thanks --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > After many years of following a primarily vegetarian diet I have > > blimped out with no end in sight. It's clear that the grains, startchy > > veggies, beans will keep packing the pounds on my already not small > >frame. > > > > So, after much research I am now adding some form of meat to my diet > > twice daily, 3-4 ounces each time. > ... > > I'd really be interested in hearing from others who gave up their > > vegetarian diet and added meat back in their diet. > > I went through the same thing some years ago -- figuring out that rice > and beans and veggies were not an ideal diet -- though the doctor, > Rothenberg?, at the LA av place told me, "excellent diet, thats all > you need" > > I read a lot, got into the theory behind zone and atkins, tried a lot > of high protein and "protein adequate" (a zone phrase) food > combinations. And researched food compostions pretty deeply --created > a large spreadsheet dumping data from dept ag data base (excellent > food composition source). > > One thing I was able to confirm is that you can get all the protein, > of the right type, from a veg diet. There are 8 amino acids that your > body can't produce, and things like tofu and milk -- combined with > healthy servings of vegetables ( vegs have protein too, just fairly > "diluted relative to their mass) gives an amino acid mix similar to meat. > > After 30 years or so, I played with eating eggs, chicken, fish, but no > red meat. One issue with fish is the surprisingly high mercury > levels, so I abandoned eating that regularly. Though all animal > products have their curse (perhaps literally) -- hormones in chickens etc. > > And I cut way down on carbs -- I gave up, for the most part, grains > and beans. And things like honey (I have not used sugar since my teens > -- except in specialty things once in a while). And I cut way down on > fruit. > > I think the problem with a ru diet is not the lack of protein but the > high level of carbs which do lots of damage to your system over time. > People switch to meat thinking their problem is low protein when its > really high carbs. > > You need about 50-60 grams of protein /day if you lead a "normal > life" - athletes in training need 100 or so. And need varies by sex, > size etc. Actually protein need is not a settled area. The UN I think > sets levels at 30-40. The tests for protein deficiency are bsed on > testing nitrogen levels -- and some studies have shown a total rice > diet did not bring subjects into protein deficiency. > > Lots of people eat more protein than they need, which is just then > used as calories. Eating "adequate protein" is a good target. > > If you have acess to good firm fresh tofu, i find it a good source. > Some tofu in supermarkets is horrible stuff. But most healthfood > stores carry reasonable to good stuff. I bake mine at low heat -- 200 > or so, until it turns a light golden brown. It becomes delicious this > way -- IMO, can then be easily slice -- very thin if you want, add to > stir fry, etc, and keeps a very long time. > > Good firm tofu provides about 5 grams of protein / oz. (Look at > pacakge, it varies by producer and desnity). So 8 oz of tofu divided > between meals (2-3 oz / meal) plus a couple of cups for milk (9g > prot/cup) gives you 58 grams / day. And if you eat healthy servings of > vegetables (not beans or squashes, but greens, broccoli, asparagus, > carrots, celery, etc) you can pick up an extra 10 grams of p. / day -- > plus all the other benefits of fresh vegetables. > > So even 6 oz of tofu, one cup of milk, and lots of fresh veggies will > give you 50 grams of good quality protein. No need for meat if you > have ethical, ecological or other misgivings about it. > > I tend to mix it up -- I have added 1 free-range no-hormone eggs to my > diet per day (6g) (or so), 4-8 oz firm tofu (20-40 g), a bit of low > fat cheese (5-10g), a couple of cups of skim milk (in coffee and tea > mostly) (18 g) , a skinless chicken breast once in a while (20-30 g). > A few nuts now and then -- not regualrly -- too heavy for me. And lots > of fresh vegies (10 g), and fruit only as an occasional treat. The > protein to carb ratio of such exceeds the zone, but is not as drastic > as atkins. > > And protion size is critical. I generally eaten good foods - but too > much of anything is bad. Try eating half the portion size as "normal" > for a week and see if you feel ok. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: eating meat/ostrich anyone?
anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > After many years of following a primarily vegetarian diet I have > blimped out with no end in sight. It's clear that the grains, startchy > veggies, beans will keep packing the pounds on my already not small >frame. > > So, after much research I am now adding some form of meat to my diet > twice daily, 3-4 ounces each time. ... > I'd really be interested in hearing from others who gave up their > vegetarian diet and added meat back in their diet. I went through the same thing some years ago -- figuring out that rice and beans and veggies were not an ideal diet -- though the doctor, Rothenberg?, at the LA av place told me, "excellent diet, thats all you need" I read a lot, got into the theory behind zone and atkins, tried a lot of high protein and "protein adequate" (a zone phrase) food combinations. And researched food compostions pretty deeply --created a large spreadsheet dumping data from dept ag data base (excellent food composition source). One thing I was able to confirm is that you can get all the protein, of the right type, from a veg diet. There are 8 amino acids that your body can't produce, and things like tofu and milk -- combined with healthy servings of vegetables ( vegs have protein too, just fairly "diluted relative to their mass) gives an amino acid mix similar to meat. After 30 years or so, I played with eating eggs, chicken, fish, but no red meat. One issue with fish is the surprisingly high mercury levels, so I abandoned eating that regularly. Though all animal products have their curse (perhaps literally) -- hormones in chickens etc. And I cut way down on carbs -- I gave up, for the most part, grains and beans. And things like honey (I have not used sugar since my teens -- except in specialty things once in a while). And I cut way down on fruit. I think the problem with a ru diet is not the lack of protein but the high level of carbs which do lots of damage to your system over time. People switch to meat thinking their problem is low protein when its really high carbs. You need about 50-60 grams of protein /day if you lead a "normal life" - athletes in training need 100 or so. And need varies by sex, size etc. Actually protein need is not a settled area. The UN I think sets levels at 30-40. The tests for protein deficiency are bsed on testing nitrogen levels -- and some studies have shown a total rice diet did not bring subjects into protein deficiency. Lots of people eat more protein than they need, which is just then used as calories. Eating "adequate protein" is a good target. If you have acess to good firm fresh tofu, i find it a good source. Some tofu in supermarkets is horrible stuff. But most healthfood stores carry reasonable to good stuff. I bake mine at low heat -- 200 or so, until it turns a light golden brown. It becomes delicious this way -- IMO, can then be easily slice -- very thin if you want, add to stir fry, etc, and keeps a very long time. Good firm tofu provides about 5 grams of protein / oz. (Look at pacakge, it varies by producer and desnity). So 8 oz of tofu divided between meals (2-3 oz / meal) plus a couple of cups for milk (9g prot/cup) gives you 58 grams / day. And if you eat healthy servings of vegetables (not beans or squashes, but greens, broccoli, asparagus, carrots, celery, etc) you can pick up an extra 10 grams of p. / day -- plus all the other benefits of fresh vegetables. So even 6 oz of tofu, one cup of milk, and lots of fresh veggies will give you 50 grams of good quality protein. No need for meat if you have ethical, ecological or other misgivings about it. I tend to mix it up -- I have added 1 free-range no-hormone eggs to my diet per day (6g) (or so), 4-8 oz firm tofu (20-40 g), a bit of low fat cheese (5-10g), a couple of cups of skim milk (in coffee and tea mostly) (18 g) , a skinless chicken breast once in a while (20-30 g). A few nuts now and then -- not regualrly -- too heavy for me. And lots of fresh vegies (10 g), and fruit only as an occasional treat. The protein to carb ratio of such exceeds the zone, but is not as drastic as atkins. And protion size is critical. I generally eaten good foods - but too much of anything is bad. Try eating half the portion size as "normal" for a week and see if you feel ok. And fasting once a week -- i did that regualry on thursday in my TMO days, i have found to be a great habit. And extending the fast the second (even thrid day) if I feel good. hope this helps. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group o
[FairfieldLife] Re: eating meat/ostrich anyone?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I know this is going to sound rediculously simple, but your body > does in fact know what it wants to eat, so truly eat whatever you > want- sometimes steak, sometimes candy, sometimes veggies, etc, etc. If only! > > The whole diet idea I find repressive and intolerable. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: eating meat/ostrich anyone?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > After many years of following a primarily vegetarian diet I have > > blimped out with no end in sight. It's clear that the grains, > > startchy veggies, beans will keep packing the pounds on my already > > not small frame. > > You might want to look into the Zone diet. It's semi-low-carb (not > extreme like Atkins), big emphasis on low-glycemic carbs, balanced > amounts of fat and protein (40/30/30 percentages of > carbs/protein/fat, I think, or maybe it's protein/carbs/fat, in terms > of calories). > > The thing is that there's a vegetarian version. It's more > complicated to get the necessary high-quality protein from vegetarian > foods without using high-glycemic carbs like rice combined with > beans, but it can be done. > > I haven't tried it, just read about it. The Zone diet is a lot more > carefully thought through than most "fad" diets, and there's a lot of > good medical evidence for its benefits. > > See-- > > http://www.drsears.com > > --for the most authentic version of the Zone diet; > there are a lot of imitators (Dr. Barry Sears > invented it). > I know this is going to sound rediculously simple, but your body does in fact know what it wants to eat, so truly eat whatever you want- sometimes steak, sometimes candy, sometimes veggies, etc, etc. The whole diet idea I find repressive and intolerable. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: eating meat/ostrich anyone?
I try to eat enough protein with the idea of achieving a zone type of diet. I recommend it, especially if you are sensitive to too-much carbohydrate. When looking for a protein source, maybe 15 years ago, to try to undue the health-damages cause by a Maharishi diet, I decided to add fish. I went with fish because I remembered a friend had told me in 1982 or so that Triguna recommended it to him to build up his agni. I wanted to do that as well and figured fish couldn't be too crude for my delicate TM body if Triguna recommended it. This year, I began eating turkey, and enjoy it a lot. So, I now have two excellent sources of protein, but find neither of them heavy or tamasic in the way that I always viewed red meat was supposed to be. In fact, nothing seems to improve digestion more than hot fish. It should be fishes that swim, and not crustaceans, if you're looking for more agni. I have not tried ostrich. --- authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > After many years of following a primarily > vegetarian diet I have > > blimped out with no end in sight. It's clear that > the grains, > > startchy veggies, beans will keep packing the > pounds on my already > > not small frame. > > You might want to look into the Zone diet. It's > semi-low-carb (not > extreme like Atkins), big emphasis on low-glycemic > carbs, balanced > amounts of fat and protein (40/30/30 percentages of > carbs/protein/fat, I think, or maybe it's > protein/carbs/fat, in terms > of calories). > > The thing is that there's a vegetarian version. > It's more > complicated to get the necessary high-quality > protein from vegetarian > foods without using high-glycemic carbs like rice > combined with > beans, but it can be done. > > I haven't tried it, just read about it. The Zone > diet is a lot more > carefully thought through than most "fad" diets, and > there's a lot of > good medical evidence for its benefits. > > See-- > > http://www.drsears.com > > --for the most authentic version of the Zone diet; > there are a lot of imitators (Dr. Barry Sears > invented it). > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make > Yahoo! your home page > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: eating meat/ostrich anyone?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > After many years of following a primarily vegetarian diet I have > blimped out with no end in sight. It's clear that the grains, > startchy veggies, beans will keep packing the pounds on my already > not small frame. You might want to look into the Zone diet. It's semi-low-carb (not extreme like Atkins), big emphasis on low-glycemic carbs, balanced amounts of fat and protein (40/30/30 percentages of carbs/protein/fat, I think, or maybe it's protein/carbs/fat, in terms of calories). The thing is that there's a vegetarian version. It's more complicated to get the necessary high-quality protein from vegetarian foods without using high-glycemic carbs like rice combined with beans, but it can be done. I haven't tried it, just read about it. The Zone diet is a lot more carefully thought through than most "fad" diets, and there's a lot of good medical evidence for its benefits. See-- http://www.drsears.com --for the most authentic version of the Zone diet; there are a lot of imitators (Dr. Barry Sears invented it). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: eating meat/ostrich anyone?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 11/10/05 4:04 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > >> > >> on 11/10/05 3:11 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > >>> After many years of following a primarily vegetarian diet I have > >>> blimped out with no end in sight. > >> > >> Have you tried using a mirror? > >> > > > > This may be a bit over my puny head (in comparison to my abdomen) but > > do you mean that the end will be in sight because there I'll be, right > > in front of myself and that will be the end? > > No, I meant that by using a mirror, you might be able to see your end. > you're funny, no, seriously, i mean it Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: eating meat/ostrich anyone?
on 11/10/05 4:04 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >> on 11/10/05 3:11 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >>> After many years of following a primarily vegetarian diet I have >>> blimped out with no end in sight. >> >> Have you tried using a mirror? >> > > This may be a bit over my puny head (in comparison to my abdomen) but > do you mean that the end will be in sight because there I'll be, right > in front of myself and that will be the end? No, I meant that by using a mirror, you might be able to see your end. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: eating meat/ostrich anyone?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 11/10/05 3:11 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > After many years of following a primarily vegetarian diet I have > > blimped out with no end in sight. > > Have you tried using a mirror? > This may be a bit over my puny head (in comparison to my abdomen) but do you mean that the end will be in sight because there I'll be, right in front of myself and that will be the end? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: eating meat/ostrich anyone?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 11/10/05 3:11 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > After many years of following a primarily vegetarian diet I have > > blimped out with no end in sight. > > Have you tried using a mirror? I found them kind of crunchy, but if you bake them well, and add some salt and spices, they are ok. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
