[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---That's obvious. At any time before or after Enlightenment, take the Bodhisattva vow to help others, in any type of body appropriate for the task. Do this for a couple of trillion mayayugas for an evaluation; then repeat as often as desired.. This doesn't make a lot of sense from certain POVs. What others would those be? What is timespace? It's almost like saying we take a vow to keep on dreaming. How could we not? It's fun. If I understnd you correctly, what you are speaking of is not really a prescription, it is a description of who we are and what has already (in a sense) come to pass; what always is, what has always been, what always will be -- there is no vow required, other than to ourself to continue to appreciate and enjoy the eternally ever-changing forms of ourself -- what is. We are one, we are many; we are a countless multitude of ourselves, showing ourselves ever-differing combinations of ourselves in the permutations of love, consciousness and bliss -- like dipping our fingers of pure invisible light into a denser portion or medium of ourselves and watching them bend a bit and split into colors as we pass through that medium. And yet we are none of the above, never have been, never will be. Our fingers are only an idea inside us; that medium is only an idea inside us, nothing more. And yet in a sense that is all we are -- always has been, always will be. All of that occurs inside us, not the other way around. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip We are one, we are many; we are a countless multitude of ourselves, showing ourselves ever-differing combinations of ourselves in the permutations of love, consciousness and bliss -- like dipping our fingers of pure invisible light into a denser portion or medium of ourselves and watching them bend a bit and split into colors as we pass through that medium. And yet we are none of the above, never have been, never will be. Our fingers are only an idea inside us; that medium is only an idea inside us, nothing more. And yet in a sense that is all we are -- always has been, always will be. All of that occurs inside us, not the other way around. :-) Or, not *only* the other way around -- except from the the POV of that piece of us who happens to be incarnating that particular idea :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, purushaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---Thanks, Rory, interesting!. Question: Where does YHVH (YAHWEH) fit into all of this? Thanks again. Nice question, many thanks, purushaz! Here's how I understand it at the moment: Within the pivotal 13-state (Brahma-Brahma-Brahma) at the center of the center (Brahma) egg, the 13 points of consciousness may be viewed as a cluster of 12 Adityas or apostles surrounding the central Aditi or Christ as his/her (*our*) radii or rays, the whole forming a hypersphere or vector-equilibrium matrix. One can then flatten the hypersphere into a disk and see the 12 radii as zodiac-signs (constellations) or planets arranged in a double-helix pattern around and including this central 13th-point (which actually is itself a light-dark, male-female pair, symbolized by Earth and Pluto, and perhaps Sirius A and B, and the Vishnu-Shiva double-cone itself). We can then see how the planetary/constellation chakras in this Brahma- body pair off to form strata of different densities or kingdoms -- from mineral to vegetable to animal to human (center) to ancestral to angelic to gods, each of which kingdoms replicates or reflects the 12- fold pattern of the whole within its own confines. Within the angelic kingdom we perceive the qualities of music and sound (vibration, akasha, mahat, bliss) differentiating into the various vowels and (eventually) the consonants. Using these sounds to express the Whole we can generate various patterns like YHWH (from highest midsummer solstice Y to midpoint fall-equinox H to lowest midwinter solstice W to midpoint spring-equinox H, in a grand cross going around the circle), which is very similar to another grand cross -- AKNI (Libra/Green A to Capricorn/Indigo K across the gap of the winter solstice -- maximum density and darkness, between Taurean-Equinox Capricorn and Aquarius -- to Aries/Red N to Cancer/Amber I), or yet another -- IOUUA or IOWA (pronounced EE-AW-WAH), from Leo I to Scorpio O to Aquarius UU to Taurus A. So as we see it at this point anyhow, all of this is a part of Brahma- loka, specifically in what we might call Mahar-loka, corresponding to details of the Solar Plexus and the Full Moon Nakshatra and Brahman Consciousness as it stands in itself (Brahma-Brahma-Brahma) -- although again, none of this will probably be viewable upon first conscious immersion in and as Brahman -- for one thing, when first comprehending the speed of light, the light itself appears to disappear (Dark Night of the Soul), and the first thing one is likely to notice on finally admitting the perfection of Now and admitting Self as Brahman is that everything is frozen Self. It can be kind of overwhelming, and a lot of this material above doesn't really become evident until or unless one begins to ask How does THAT Wholeness manifest all of THIS appearance of maya? and starts to conceive the Hiranyagarbha, the gunas and all the rest :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip although again, none of this will probably be viewable upon first conscious immersion in and as Brahman -- for one thing, when first comprehending the speed of light, the light itself appears to disappear (Dark Night of the Soul), and the first thing one is likely to notice on finally admitting the perfection of Now and admitting Self as Brahman is that everything is frozen Self. It can be kind of overwhelming, and a lot of this material above doesn't really become evident until or unless one begins to ask How does THAT Wholeness manifest all of THIS appearance of maya? and starts to conceive the Hiranyagarbha, the gunas and all the rest :-) This last phrase is slightly misleading -- upon the sobriety of Brahman, one may well undertake mental-body ascension into the bliss- pool of Higher Self/Council of Guides and transmission of these energies into earth-plane heart-service/healing, and, -- as K.C. further develops -- embracing (upon inquiry into the nature of the three primary rays or gunas) denser, astral-body ascension via DNA pyramid/mountain, OM-portal initiation and introduction to the Council of 13 (12 + 1) Masters, and so on, *before* complete(r) comprehension of the Self as embracing Hiranyagarbha and the place of the gunas and pyramid/mounts of Vishnu/Shiva within it :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip So as we see it at this point anyhow, all of this is a part of Brahma- loka, specifically in what we might call Mahar-loka, corresponding to details of the Solar Plexus and the Full Moon Nakshatra and Brahman Consciousness as it stands in itself (Brahma-Brahma-Brahma) -- snip Using the terminology of the conventional lokas considered to exist in the egg of Brahma, we have: An unnamed loka in T.C-II (Brahma-Vishnu-Vishnu), just inside the transcendental skin or just atop the denser edge of the ring-pass- not of the bottom of Brahma's egg, Bhu or Bhur-loka in C.C. (Brahma-Vishnu-Brahma), Bhuvarloka in G.C. (Brahma-Vishnu-Shiva), and Swarloka in U.C. (Brahma-Brahma-Vishnu) -- from these three, souls yet return to earthly reincarnation; Maha- or Maharloka in the onset of B.C. (Brahma-Brahma-Brahma), and Janaloka in ripened B.C. (Brahma-Brahma-Shiva), the complement of Unity -- in either of these two, souls are liberated, and do not need to return to earthly incarnation, though many do, for further refinement in service; Tapaloka in what we have been calling Krishna (Brahma-Shiva- Vishnu), the complement of G.C., and Sat-loka or Satya-loka in what we have been calling Shiva (Brahma- Shiva-Brahma), the complement of C.C. -- from these two, there is no return; another unnamed loka in the complement of T.C.-II (Brahma-Shiva- Shiva), on the transcendental skin or just below the subtlest edge of the ring-pass-not of Brahma's egg, at the juncture of the gap into Shiva's egg. However, we may also see these 7 lokas in macrocosm as spanning the entire range of the 27 states of consciousness from conception to dissolution, with Bhur-loka at Conception (state 0), Bhuvarloka at Birth (state 4), and Swargaloka-I at Transcendence-I (state 8), all in Vishnu's egg; Swargaloka-II at Transcendence-II (state 9), Maharloka at B.C. (state 13), and Janaloka-II at complement of Transcendence-II, Brahma-Shiva-Shiva (state 17), all in Brahma's egg; and Janaloka-I at complement of Transcendence-I, Shiva-Vishnu-Vishnu (state 18), Tapaloka at Death, Shiva-Brahma-Brahma (state 22), and Satyaloka at Dissolution, Shiva-Shiva-Shiva (state 26), all in Shiva's egg. No matter how we term the lokas, from the 26th state of Dissolution (Shiva-Shiva-Shiva, or Bliss-Bliss-Bliss, or pure Energy), we may go to its flip-side, the 27th state, which is Conception (Vishnu-Vishnu- Vishnu, or Love-Love-Love, or pure Matter: Solve et Coagula. We may visualize the 27th state as 27 points of consciousness, thus: Unity, the 12th state (Brahma-Brahma-Vishnu) appears as an icosahedron, with twelve points and no rational center. Adding a solar seed center-point gives us the 13th state, B.C., brought on at the full fusion with one's Self or Solar Angel: a 13-point (Brahma-Brahma-Brahma) cuboctahedron or vector-equilibrium matrix (one center point, 12 vertices; Aditi and the Adityas or Christ and the Apostles) with 14 faces -- eight triangles, six squares. This B.C. state contains in seed-form a complete key to Universal Space (conjoined tetrahedra and octahedra), but not yet unfolded. Ripened B.C. (Brahma-Brahma-Shiva), the complement of Unity, is visualizable as the 14-point, 12-face rhombic dodecahedron -- thus, the inverse of U.C. and B.C., a figure-ground destruction and reversal of the prior states; what was emptiness is now fullness, and vice-versa: one turns inside out and outside in. Dissolution (26th state) involves fusing these two -- U.C. (the 12) and ripened B.C. (the 14) together in a perfect Whole, where Self- Other, male-female figure-ground are *both* entertained perfectly fully in the physiology, as was mentioned earlier in discussions here with Akasha. Adding the central I-point to this 26-point Dissolution precipitates the 27-point Conception, at which point I am equally and fully self-other, male and female simultaneously, in the physiology. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oops - below should be Complement of Transcendence-*II* (Brahma- Shiva- Shiva) and ...incorporating the Bliss-complements of Transcendence- *I* (Shiva-Vishnu-Vishnu), just in case anyone actually is reading any of this. My apologies for the linear density of all the above; it may look a lot simpler if you draw it in a diagram of three connecting circles (each containing 9 points), along the vertical shishkebab of the 27 points of I -- and if you draw a trigram for each of the accompanying guna-states, with Vishnu (V) being an unbroken line (0; no gaps), Brahma (B) being a broken line or two short lines (1; 1 gap), and Shiva (S) being a twice broken or three short lines (2; 2 gaps) and follow the guna progression out from 0 (V-V-V; 0-0-0) to 26 (S-S-S; 2-2-2) in base-three sequence -- then you can really see the beauty of the mirroring of the guna-states around the central pivot of Brahma-Brahma-Brahma :-) (Brahma-Shiva-Vishnu), Shiva or complement of C.C. (Brahma- Shiva- Brahma), and the Complement of Transcendence-I (Brahma-Shiva- Shiva) at the subtlest end of the egg of Brahma. From here we move across another gap into the egg of Shiva with its 9 states of Bliss: incorporating the Bliss-complements of Transcendence- II (Shiva-Vishnu-Vishnu), snip Thanks Rory. As I am not at a point of seeing this directly, nor do I have such an interest currently, nonetheless it is a similar experience in the mind, as listening to the Veda being chanted is to the body. In other words there is a recognition at some pre- intellectual level of your cognitions, and a deep satisfaction in reading them. It satisfies my heart, without my intellect truly comprehending what you have written, yet somehow knowing it is right, and my world in some undefined way is a better place for it. You use the phrase of perceiving all as 'frozen' Self. Now that directly correlates with my current experience. As if for every slice of time or reflection, all is seen as my Self. Yet the day to day experience is more like an infinite ocean of Oneness with each of us rising like a wave out of the ocean, yet not completely separate from it. So when I view my world from a more settled state, I more easily see the vastness and connectedness of it; its oceanic nature. Yet, day to day, running here and there, the wave characteristics predominate. Further, if I want to resolve anything or bring a process to conclusion, the wave to ocean/ocean to wave dynamics are what I focus on for guidance. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So as we see it at this point anyhow, all of this is a part of Brahma- loka, specifically in what we might call Mahar-loka, corresponding to details of the Solar Plexus and the Full Moon Nakshatra and Brahman Consciousness as it stands in itself (Brahma-Brahma-Brahma) -- snip though insofar as it expresses mantric sound/bliss/mahat/akasha, YHWH would stem specifically from the subloka of the Kinnaras, Angels, or High Elves/High Gandharvas, and presumably Tapaloka, which in the macrocosm would correspond to the cosmic Throat, 22nd or Death-state of Shiva-Brahma-Brahma and the center of Shiva's egg. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
Thanks for posting that, Rory. It saves me the time and gasoline to drive to town tonight to get my fill of mind-numbing Hiranyagarbledygook. Alex --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A few interpolations and some expansions interleaved below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip From here we move across a gap into the lighter side of Transcendence-II as the densest form of Light or Consciousness in the 9th state (Brahma-Vishnu-Vishnu), and so on through the 9 subgunas of Brahma or States of Consciousness -- through C.C. (10th state, Brahma-Vishnu-Brahma); G.C. (11th state, Brahma-Vishnu- Shiva); and U.C. (12th state; Brahma-Brahma-Vishnu), and across the pivotal midway-point of Crucifixion or Nirvana or Brahman (Brahma- Brahma-Brahma, or chit-chit-chit) at the 13th state (Nakshatric full moon) -- and thereafter recapitulating the complement of all the previous guna-states (with Vishnu/Love for original Shiva/Bliss, and vice versa) in mirror order through the warmed-up-Brahman 14th state of Brahman-Shiva (Brahma-Brahma-Shiva) or complement of U.C.; 15th state of Krishna (Brahma-Shiva-Vishnu) or complement of G.C.; 16th state of Shiva-Brahma (Brahma-Shiva-Brahma), or complement of C.C.; and the 17th state (Brahma-Shiva-Shiva), the Complement of Transcendence-I at the subtlest end of the egg of Brahma. As first mentioned a year or so ago, from the model of the progressive merger of Spirit and Matter across the egg of Consciousness (Brahma), we define the states of Consciousness as follows: T.C.-II (Brahma-Vishnu-Vishnu) as THAT or the Light of Pure Consciousness (now not just the subtlest Being of T.C.-I), with the Transcendence at the bottom end of the Brahmic egg being stimulated by the ascent of Matter, coincidentally with the top end of the Brahmic egg's now being enlivened by the descent of Spirit. C.C. (Brahma-Vishnu-Brahma) as I am THAT with enlivenment of Avyakta (near the top of Brahmic egg) by Spirit/Energy/Purusha/Shiva and Karmendriyas (near the bottom of Brahmic egg) by Matter/Prakriti/Vishnu/Shakti, yielding a separate Self- Consciousness and concomitant automatic action (perfect flow); G.C. (Brahma-Vishnu-Shiva) as Thou art THAT, with Spirit expanding from Avyakta down to Mahat (Bliss), and Matter expanding up from Karmendriyas to Indriyas (sense organs), yielding divine enrichment of senses; U.C. (Brahma-Brahma-Vishnu) as All this is THAT, as Spirit expanding from Mahat down to Buddhi (Intuition, Higher Mind), and Matter expanding up from Indriyas to Manas (Concrete or Lower Mind), yielding a consciousness of an essentially unified field, with ability to explore across spacetime, with now only the Causal Self (or Solar Angel or Guru or God) still subtly separating the fields of Spirit (Absolute) and Matter (Relative). At the onset of B.C. (Brahma-Brahma-Brahma) one embodies There is only THAT as this Causal Self or Solar Angel (etc.) dies or is immersed in the sudden mergence of Absolute and Relative; this is experienced often as a Dark Night of the Soul; for the first (and only) time, *no* permutation of Love (Vishnu) *or* Bliss (Shiva) is present, yielding (in some cases) a rather stark sameness to everything. At the ripening of B.C. (Brahma-Brahma-Shiva), the mirror of U.C., one knows THAT is All This as Absolute and Relative completely cross, with Purusha flooding down into Manas and Prakriti flooding up into Buddhi. Absolute and Relative are gone; the remnants of the small-self isolation disappear; Wholeness predominates; the Self Understands the Self. The mind and heart are now understood as unified and embracing the All. We find now that attention and breath quicken the awareness-field into bliss. At the onset of Krishna (Brahma-Shiva-Vishnu), the mirror of G.C., one sees THAT Art Thou as the Wholeness has now spread up as far as Mahat and down as far as Indriyas, so that we again have blissful sense-perception, but now completely in terms of the Self. One may become a sort of Avatar as the Great Immensity of unconditional Love to heal and assimilate the individual points of Wholeness within the body. Knowing oneself as the Ocean, one may incorporate or incarnate as any given individual in one's attention-field, and find them within one's body. At the onset of Shiva (Brahma-Shiva-Brahma), the mirror of C.C., one knows THAT Am I as the Wholeness has now spread up as far as Avyakta and down as far as Karmendriyas, so we now see we are not only separate from (all) action, but its ultimate cause or source, and also its ultimate end or goal. We are able to eat all sins. At the further ripening of Shiva (Brahma-Shiva-Shiva), the mirror of T.C.-II, one knows THAT is THAT as the Wholeness has spread through the entire Brahmic egg of Consciousness,
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for posting that, Rory. It saves me the time and gasoline to drive to town tonight to get my fill of mind-numbing Hiranyagarbledygook. HA! Good one, Alex; a truly Vedic pronunciation if I ever saw one! still, I hope you can make it tonight anyhow; it's always a pleasure to see you :-) Let me put the whole thing in more psychological terms -- Vishnu or Love is the force compacting everything denser and denser into materialization inside our psychology (and our body); Brahma or Light or Consciousness is the force wherein the unrecognized portions of ourselves (those in pain) come to our attention AS portions of ourselves; and Shiva is the Laughter or bliss wherein the Self- recognition dissolves the pain as it (small I) dies into the oblivion of the larger-I...:-) Thus, something like the Byron Katie work shows us how our pain-spots (judgements, etc.) are merely unrecognized aspects of ourself (Vishnu- qualities, not yet Brahma); when we acknowledge them (now Brahma seeing itSelf), they disappear... (Shiva) :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for posting that, Rory. It saves me the time and gasoline to drive to town tonight to get my fill of mind-numbing Hiranyagarbledygook. HA! Good one, Alex; a truly Vedic pronunciation if I ever saw one! still, I hope you can make it tonight anyhow; it's always a pleasure to see you :-) Let me put the whole thing in more psychological terms -- Vishnu or Love is the force compacting everything denser and denser into materialization inside our psychology (and our body); Brahma or Light or Consciousness is the force wherein the unrecognized portions of ourselves (those in pain) come to our attention AS portions of ourselves; and Shiva is the Laughter or bliss wherein the Self- recognition dissolves the pain as it (small I) dies into the oblivion of the larger-I...:-) Thus, something like the Byron Katie work shows us how our pain-spots (judgements, etc.) are merely unrecognized aspects of ourself (Vishnu- qualities, not yet Brahma); when we acknowledge them (now Brahma seeing itSelf), they disappear... (Shiva) :-) Mu. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip So as we see it at this point anyhow, all of this is a part of Brahma- loka, specifically in what we might call Mahar-loka, corresponding to details of the Solar Plexus and the Full Moon Nakshatra and Brahman Consciousness as it stands in itself (Brahma-Brahma-Brahma) -- snip Using the terminology of the conventional lokas considered to exist in the egg of Brahma, we have: An unnamed loka in T.C-II (Brahma-Vishnu-Vishnu), just inside the transcendental skin or just atop the denser edge of the ring- pass- not of the bottom of Brahma's egg, Bhu or Bhur-loka in C.C. (Brahma-Vishnu-Brahma), Bhuvarloka in G.C. (Brahma-Vishnu-Shiva), and Swarloka in U.C. (Brahma-Brahma-Vishnu) -- from these three, souls yet return to earthly reincarnation; Thanks again- If I understand what you have written above, is it so that those 'in' CC, GC, and UC are still working out earthly karma, and hence still bound to the wheel of earthly life and death, impression- desire-fulfillment-impression? Further, since you describe ripened BC as turning the perception of Unity or UC inside out, which makes perfect sense, then it appears that Unity Conciousness has as its reference point the localized self? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks again- If I understand what you have written above, is it so that those 'in' CC, GC, and UC are still working out earthly karma, and hence still bound to the wheel of earthly life and death, impression- desire-fulfillment-impression? That has been my understanding and experience, yes :-) Further, since you describe ripened BC as turning the perception of Unity or UC inside out, which makes perfect sense, then it appears that Unity Conciousness has as its reference point the localized self? Yes! Like the prior states, there is still a me claiming these states as its own -- whereas ripened B.C. erases that identification :-) There is also a very good probability that not only are we each experiencing all the states simultaneously, but also in timespace sequence very rapidly -- perhaps every nanosecond or so, with every cycling of our personal Hiranyagarbha-field, but almost certainly one state each day throughout the 27 days of the Lunar cycle -- depending on what we put our attention on, of course :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for posting that, Rory. It saves me the time and gasoline to drive to town tonight to get my fill of mind-numbing Hiranyagarbledygook. HA! Good one, Alex; a truly Vedic pronunciation if I ever saw one! still, I hope you can make it tonight anyhow; it's always a pleasure to see you :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks again- If I understand what you have written above, is it so that those 'in' CC, GC, and UC are still working out earthly karma, and hence still bound to the wheel of earthly life and death, impression- desire-fulfillment-impression? That has been my understanding and experience, yes :-) Although it is not precisely true that those enjoying B.C. etc. are *not* still working out their karma; it appears simply that they have cleared at least half of it, are free from the *need* for rebirth, and after B.C. they generally feel free and approach Life with the identity of a finder, as Spirit moving into Matter, as opposed to identifying with the seeker -- as Matter (or Being, or even Consciousness) seeking Spirit. It *may* be that those completing and recognizing the entire 27-state cycle have cleared all of their karmic backlog (for example, upon recognizing and communicating it I now feel my life-work is done here), but I suspect there is always more work to be done, somewhere or other :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks again- If I understand what you have written above, is it so that those 'in' CC, GC, and UC are still working out earthly karma, and hence still bound to the wheel of earthly life and death, impression- desire-fulfillment-impression? That has been my understanding and experience, yes :-) Although it is not precisely true that those enjoying B.C. etc. are *not* still working out their karma; it appears simply that they have cleared at least half of it, are free from the *need* for rebirth, and after B.C. they generally feel free and approach Life with the identity of a finder, as Spirit moving into Matter, as opposed to identifying with the seeker -- as Matter (or Being, or even Consciousness) seeking Spirit. Yes, yes, you put the distinction very well. Feels just like that too- when seeking, there is a persistent desire for ever more richness for experiences to be infused with, whereas in the finding experience, the richness can be almost overwhelming, precisely because it is so accessible. It *may* be that those completing and recognizing the entire 27-state cycle have cleared all of their karmic backlog (for example, upon recognizing and communicating it I now feel my life-work is done here), but I suspect there is always more work to be done, somewhere or other :-) Without a doubt- otherwise what is there to do? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Rory. As I am not at a point of seeing this directly, nor do I have such an interest currently, nonetheless it is a similar experience in the mind, as listening to the Veda being chanted is to the body. In other words there is a recognition at some pre- intellectual level of your cognitions, and a deep satisfaction in reading them. It satisfies my heart, without my intellect truly comprehending what you have written, yet somehow knowing it is right, and my world in some undefined way is a better place for it. *lol* Many thanks, Jim -- I appreciate your appreciation! :-D You use the phrase of perceiving all as 'frozen' Self. Now that directly correlates with my current experience. As if for every slice of time or reflection, all is seen as my Self. Very nice -- what I would probably call the 14th state, ripened Brahman (Brahma-Brahma-Shiva) :-) Yet the day to day experience is more like an infinite ocean of Oneness with each of us rising like a wave out of the ocean, yet not completely separate from it. So when I view my world from a more settled state, I more easily see the vastness and connectedness of it; its oceanic nature. Yet, day to day, running here and there, the wave characteristics predominate. Further, if I want to resolve anything or bring a process to conclusion, the wave to ocean/ocean to wave dynamics are what I focus on for guidance. Very nice indeed -- looks like what I've termed Krishna in the past, the 15th state (Brahma-Vishnu-Shiva) -- a lot of fun, and very rich because of its containing all 3 gunas and also reflecting the richness of G.C. (senses and bliss), now from Wholeness :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Without a doubt- otherwise what is there to do? I give up; what? :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
---That's obvious. At any time before or after Enlightenment, take the Bodhisattva vow to help others, in any type of body appropriate for the task. Do this for a couple of trillion mayayugas for an evaluation; then repeat as often as desired.. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Without a doubt- otherwise what is there to do? I give up; what? :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Energy (ananda, bliss, laughter, Shiva) = Mass (sat, love, Vishnu) times the speed of light (chit, consciousness, Brahma) squared (aware of itself). Mass resisted (denied the light of self- knowledge) becomes painful tamas instead of blissful dissolution; hindering the free-flow of the gunas through the hiranyagarbha attention-field :-) After further playing with the properties of the gunas for a while, we now see the pure I splitting into 27 pure Is to explore the permutations of the gunas and subgunas and sub-subgunas, yielding 27 discrete states of consciousness, each with its consciousness and own perfectly valid POV through a specific guna-pattern -- all being entertained simultaneously, but also explorable from within in terms of guna-progression through time and space if desired. Only 16 (or 19, depending how we count) of these states occur between birth and death, which is what held me up when I was first trying to delineate these unfoldments as geometries of consciousness some 20-odd years ago. Now though we can posit a beautiful sequence from the densest Being or Love (Vishnu-Vishnu-Vishnu, or Sat-Sat-Sat) at conception (0-state; Nakshatric new moon), through 9 subgunas of Vishnu/Being (including prenatal Sleep, Dream and Waking, Birth, and Postnatal Sleep, Dream and Waking) into the denser side of Transcendence-I as subtlest Being at the 8th state (Vishnu-Shiva-Shiva). From here we move across a gap into the lighter side of Transcendence- II as the densest form of Light or Consciousness in the 9th state (Brahma-Vishnu-Vishnu), and so on through the 9 subgunas of Brahma or States of Consciousness -- through C.C. (Brahma-Vishnu-Brahma), G.C. (Brahma-Vishnu-Shiva, and U.C. (Brahma-Brahma-Vishnu), and across the pivotal midway-point of Crucifixion or Nirvana or Brahman (Brahma- Brahma-Brahma, or chit-chit-chit) at the 13th state (Nakshatric full moon) -- and thereafter recapitulating the complement of all the previous guna-states (with Vishnu/Love for original Shiva/Bliss, and vice versa) in mirror order through Krishna or complement of G.C. (Brahma-Shiva-Vishnu), Shiva or complement of C.C. (Brahma-Shiva- Brahma), and the Complement of Transcendence-I (Brahma-Shiva-Shiva)at the subtlest end of the egg of Brahma. From here we move across another gap into the egg of Shiva with its 9 states of Bliss: incorporating the Bliss-complements of Transcendence- II (Shiva-Vishnu-Vishnu), Waking (i.e. Ignorance) (Shiva-Vishnu- Brahma), Dreaming, Sleep, Death, and so on (After-death Waking, Dreaming and Sleep) to culminate in the most rarefied Bliss (Shiva- Shiva-Shiva) at dissolution in the 26th state, the old moon, just before (most likely) re-entering a higher octave at its densest point (Vishnu-Vishnu-Vishnu). Again, this description is in a sense illusory, that is, describing unfoldments across time and space of what is actually eternal and omnipresent. Also, for simplicity we have described this progression as if from one end only, from the bottom up, whereas it actually appears to be a successive approach, overlap (at Brahman) and more and more inclusive merger of Spirit (Shiva) and Matter (Vishnu) from each end simultaneously to the other end. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip ...with Vishnu as Love, Sat/Being, Sattva; Brahma as Light, Chit/Consciousness, Rajas; and Shiva as Laughter, Ananda/Bliss, Tamas. Again, the two poles of the Hiranyagarbha or horned-torus are at either end of its central double-cone: with the mountain of Vishnu (Converging or contracting from the bottom up and inward), and the upside-down mountain of Shiva (Dissolving or expanding into the top up and outward) and with Brahma churning merrily away between them at the center-point of the double conic-mountain. (I put up and down in quotes because the Love/Bliss polarity may apparently shift from moment to moment). :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
A few interpolations and some expansions interleaved below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip From here we move across a gap into the lighter side of Transcendence-II as the densest form of Light or Consciousness in the 9th state (Brahma-Vishnu-Vishnu), and so on through the 9 subgunas of Brahma or States of Consciousness -- through C.C. (10th state, Brahma-Vishnu-Brahma); G.C. (11th state, Brahma-Vishnu- Shiva); and U.C. (12th state; Brahma-Brahma-Vishnu), and across the pivotal midway-point of Crucifixion or Nirvana or Brahman (Brahma- Brahma-Brahma, or chit-chit-chit) at the 13th state (Nakshatric full moon) -- and thereafter recapitulating the complement of all the previous guna-states (with Vishnu/Love for original Shiva/Bliss, and vice versa) in mirror order through the warmed-up-Brahman 14th state of Brahman-Shiva (Brahma-Brahma-Shiva) or complement of U.C.; 15th state of Krishna (Brahma-Shiva-Vishnu) or complement of G.C.; 16th state of Shiva-Brahma (Brahma-Shiva-Brahma), or complement of C.C.; and the 17th state (Brahma-Shiva-Shiva), the Complement of Transcendence-I at the subtlest end of the egg of Brahma. As first mentioned a year or so ago, from the model of the progressive merger of Spirit and Matter across the egg of Consciousness (Brahma), we define the states of Consciousness as follows: T.C.-II (Brahma-Vishnu-Vishnu) as THAT or the Light of Pure Consciousness (now not just the subtlest Being of T.C.-I), with the Transcendence at the bottom end of the Brahmic egg being stimulated by the ascent of Matter, coincidentally with the top end of the Brahmic egg's now being enlivened by the descent of Spirit. C.C. (Brahma-Vishnu-Brahma) as I am THAT with enlivenment of Avyakta (near the top of Brahmic egg) by Spirit/Energy/Purusha/Shiva and Karmendriyas (near the bottom of Brahmic egg) by Matter/Prakriti/Vishnu/Shakti, yielding a separate Self- Consciousness and concomitant automatic action (perfect flow); G.C. (Brahma-Vishnu-Shiva) as Thou art THAT, with Spirit expanding from Avyakta down to Mahat (Bliss), and Matter expanding up from Karmendriyas to Indriyas (sense organs), yielding divine enrichment of senses; U.C. (Brahma-Brahma-Vishnu) as All this is THAT, as Spirit expanding from Mahat down to Buddhi (Intuition, Higher Mind), and Matter expanding up from Indriyas to Manas (Concrete or Lower Mind), yielding a consciousness of an essentially unified field, with ability to explore across spacetime, with now only the Causal Self (or Solar Angel or Guru or God) still subtly separating the fields of Spirit (Absolute) and Matter (Relative). At the onset of B.C. (Brahma-Brahma-Brahma) one embodies There is only THAT as this Causal Self or Solar Angel (etc.) dies or is immersed in the sudden mergence of Absolute and Relative; this is experienced often as a Dark Night of the Soul; for the first (and only) time, *no* permutation of Love (Vishnu) *or* Bliss (Shiva) is present, yielding (in some cases) a rather stark sameness to everything. At the ripening of B.C. (Brahma-Brahma-Shiva), the mirror of U.C., one knows THAT is All This as Absolute and Relative completely cross, with Purusha flooding down into Manas and Prakriti flooding up into Buddhi. Absolute and Relative are gone; the remnants of the small-self isolation disappear; Wholeness predominates; the Self Understands the Self. The mind and heart are now understood as unified and embracing the All. We find now that attention and breath quicken the awareness-field into bliss. At the onset of Krishna (Brahma-Shiva-Vishnu), the mirror of G.C., one sees THAT Art Thou as the Wholeness has now spread up as far as Mahat and down as far as Indriyas, so that we again have blissful sense-perception, but now completely in terms of the Self. One may become a sort of Avatar as the Great Immensity of unconditional Love to heal and assimilate the individual points of Wholeness within the body. Knowing oneself as the Ocean, one may incorporate or incarnate as any given individual in one's attention-field, and find them within one's body. At the onset of Shiva (Brahma-Shiva-Brahma), the mirror of C.C., one knows THAT Am I as the Wholeness has now spread up as far as Avyakta and down as far as Karmendriyas, so we now see we are not only separate from (all) action, but its ultimate cause or source, and also its ultimate end or goal. We are able to eat all sins. At the further ripening of Shiva (Brahma-Shiva-Shiva), the mirror of T.C.-II, one knows THAT is THAT as the Wholeness has spread through the entire Brahmic egg of Consciousness, encompassing the Transcendence at either end. From here the Wholeness expands yet further to begin recapitulating and enfolding more and more Ignorance via both adjoining eggs through 9 more ripples: Shiva's 9 states of Bliss and Vishnu's 9 states of Love. Again, this whole progression is in one sense an
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oops - below should be Complement of Transcendence-*II* (Brahma-Shiva- Shiva) and ...incorporating the Bliss-complements of Transcendence- *I* (Shiva-Vishnu-Vishnu), just in case anyone actually is reading any of this. My apologies for the linear density of all the above; it may look a lot simpler if you draw it in a diagram of three connecting circles (each containing 9 points), along the vertical shishkebab of the 27 points of I -- and if you draw a trigram for each of the accompanying guna-states, with Vishnu (V) being an unbroken line (0; no gaps), Brahma (B) being a broken line or two short lines (1; 1 gap), and Shiva (S) being a twice broken or three short lines (2; 2 gaps) and follow the guna progression out from 0 (V-V-V; 0-0-0) to 26 (S-S-S; 2-2-2) in base-three sequence -- then you can really see the beauty of the mirroring of the guna-states around the central pivot of Brahma-Brahma-Brahma :-) (Brahma-Shiva-Vishnu), Shiva or complement of C.C. (Brahma-Shiva- Brahma), and the Complement of Transcendence-I (Brahma-Shiva-Shiva) at the subtlest end of the egg of Brahma. From here we move across another gap into the egg of Shiva with its 9 states of Bliss: incorporating the Bliss-complements of Transcendence- II (Shiva-Vishnu-Vishnu), snip Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
---Thanks, Rory, interesting!. Question: Where does YHVH (YAHWEH) fit into all of this? Thanks again. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oops - below should be Complement of Transcendence-*II* (Brahma- Shiva- Shiva) and ...incorporating the Bliss-complements of Transcendence- *I* (Shiva-Vishnu-Vishnu), just in case anyone actually is reading any of this. My apologies for the linear density of all the above; it may look a lot simpler if you draw it in a diagram of three connecting circles (each containing 9 points), along the vertical shishkebab of the 27 points of I -- and if you draw a trigram for each of the accompanying guna-states, with Vishnu (V) being an unbroken line (0; no gaps), Brahma (B) being a broken line or two short lines (1; 1 gap), and Shiva (S) being a twice broken or three short lines (2; 2 gaps) and follow the guna progression out from 0 (V-V-V; 0-0-0) to 26 (S-S-S; 2-2-2) in base-three sequence -- then you can really see the beauty of the mirroring of the guna-states around the central pivot of Brahma-Brahma-Brahma :-) (Brahma-Shiva-Vishnu), Shiva or complement of C.C. (Brahma- Shiva- Brahma), and the Complement of Transcendence-I (Brahma-Shiva- Shiva) at the subtlest end of the egg of Brahma. From here we move across another gap into the egg of Shiva with its 9 states of Bliss: incorporating the Bliss-complements of Transcendence- II (Shiva-Vishnu-Vishnu), snip Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would *appear* anyhow that the Brahma-point at the center of the Hiranyagarbha (poised between the mountain-cone of Vishnu and the upside down cone of Shiva) becomes aware of itself via a very quick churning or washing-machine back-and-forth rotation which casts light-waves spiralling out first in one direction, then in the other -- in cross-currents (hence, aware of itself), and that the nodes at the intersections of the spirals form the bejeweled matrices of subtle-mind-matter impulses (devas) :-) And it would appear that when one's Brahma or creative consciousness withholds approval or Self-knowledge from a given mind-matter impulse, then that impulse separates/is separated from the Whole and holds that not-good/not-God belief about itself (i.e. thinks itself rebellious or demonic) until it is relieved, dissolved, lightened up, healed and integrated by an unconditional re- appraisal from that same Brahma-nature. :-) And all of this (four last posts) is your direct experience? Or imaginative speculation. And its useful, how? Perhaps to impress new members? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And all of this (four last posts) is your direct experience? Or imaginative speculation. And its useful, how? Perhaps to impress new members? If so, it seems a more benevolent approach to life than getting nasty and all pissed off every time people start talking about experiences you've never had. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps to impress new members? *lol* I hadn't thought of that, Judy! You think it might work? Wow! What would the benefit be to me, I wonder, if new members are impressed? And what do you mean by impressed, anyhow? Inspired? Captivated? :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And it would appear that when one's Brahma or creative consciousness withholds approval or Self-knowledge from a given mind-matter impulse, then that impulse separates/is separated from the Whole and holds that not-good/not-God belief about itself (i.e. thinks itself rebellious or demonic) until it is relieved, dissolved, lightened up, healed and integrated by an unconditional re-appraisal from that same Brahma-nature. And until that integration is accomplished, those rebellious impulses may congeal and remain in the field(s) of that creative consciousness as a substance -- grit, asteroids, smoke-clouds, or whatever -- that *appears* to obscure the blazing Brahma-nature and create hellish realities -- really, hellish filters of judgement and condemnation and ego-pettiness through which the pristine reality of one's God-field is distorted. But the actual Brahma-nature of one's creative consciousness is ever-radiant, ever-blazing, ever the same. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps to impress new members? *lol* I hadn't thought of that, Judy! You think it might work? Wow! What would the benefit be to me, I wonder, if new members are impressed? And what do you mean by impressed, anyhow? Inspired? Captivated? I hadn't thought about it that way -- I was really excited about some understandings that have fit together recently, and felt like sharing them -- but if you really want to know my deeper goal, upon reflection it is not simply to impress but rather to *destroy* -- embrace, rape, consume utterly, assimilate, and annihilate -- every single particle of resistance and not-love I come across in any of my attention-fields, for they all must be my own creation(s)... :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And all of this (four last posts) is your direct experience? Or imaginative speculation. Yes, yes. And its useful, how? Helps me understand myself. Many thanks for asking :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And all of this (four last posts) is your direct experience? Or imaginative speculation. And its useful, how? Perhaps to impress new members? If so, it seems a more benevolent approach to life than getting nasty and all pissed off every time people start talking about experiences you've never had. :-) Well, first, it isn't real clear why you believe you know what kinds of experiences I've had. And second, it's interesting that you think my comment was a function of being pissed off, for whatever reason. I thought it was very sweet, like when the cute new girl shows up at school and the guys start showing off, trying to outdo one another to get her attention. It's what males *do*, and thank goodness. If they didn't, the species wouldn't survive for long. It's just funny and charming to see it in this context. I could be wrong, of course, but I got a chuckle out of the image. Sorry it pushed your buttons. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps to impress new members? *lol* I hadn't thought of that, Judy! You think it might work? Wow! What would the benefit be to me, I wonder, if new members are impressed? And what do you mean by impressed, anyhow? Inspired? Captivated? I hadn't thought about it that way -- I was really excited about some understandings that have fit together recently, and felt like sharing them -- but if you really want to know my deeper goal, upon reflection it is not simply to impress but rather to *destroy* -- embrace, rape, consume utterly, assimilate, and annihilate -- every single particle of resistance and not-love I come across in any of my attention-fields, for they all must be my own creation(s)... BC really stands for Borg Consciousnness. You will be assimilated. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BC really stands for Borg Consciousnness. You will be assimilated. :-) Resistance is indeed futile :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, first, it isn't real clear why you believe you know what kinds of experiences I've had. And second, it's interesting that you think my comment was a function of being pissed off, for whatever reason. I thought it was very sweet, like when the cute new girl shows up at school and the guys start showing off, trying to outdo one another to get her attention. It's what males *do*, and thank goodness. If they didn't, the species wouldn't survive for long. It's just funny and charming to see it in this context. I could be wrong, of course, but I got a chuckle out of the image. Sorry it pushed your buttons. It's a nice image, but perhaps a little off in this case. I've seldom been reticent to share my current understandings, regardless of who may or may not eventually enjoy them. These have been percolating since just before the Navaratri/Durga puja last week, crystallized further over the past few days, and finally coalesced enough to (attempt to) communicate :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, first, it isn't real clear why you believe you know what kinds of experiences I've had. And second, it's interesting that you think my comment was a function of being pissed off, for whatever reason. I thought it was very sweet, like when the cute new girl shows up at school and the guys start showing off, trying to outdo one another to get her attention. It's what males *do*, and thank goodness. If they didn't, the species wouldn't survive for long. It's just funny and charming to see it in this context. I could be wrong, of course, but I got a chuckle out of the image. Sorry it pushed your buttons. It's a nice image, but perhaps a little off in this case. I've seldom been reticent to share my current understandings, regardless of who may or may not eventually enjoy them. These have been percolating since just before the Navaratri/Durga puja last week, crystallized further over the past few days, and finally coalesced enough to (attempt to) communicate :-) I'll take your word for it. But there seemed to me to be a sort of competition going on as to who could write the most elaborate and flowery description. Not a thing wrong with it, whatever the motivation. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, first, it isn't real clear why you believe you know what kinds of experiences I've had. And second, it's interesting that you think my comment was a function of being pissed off, for whatever reason. I thought it was very sweet, like when the cute new girl shows up at school and the guys start showing off, trying to outdo one another to get her attention. It's what males *do*, and thank goodness. If they didn't, the species wouldn't survive for long. It's just funny and charming to see it in this context. I could be wrong, of course, but I got a chuckle out of the image. Sorry it pushed your buttons. It's a nice image, but perhaps a little off in this case. I've seldom been reticent to share my current understandings, regardless of who may or may not eventually enjoy them. These have been percolating since just before the Navaratri/Durga puja last week, crystallized further over the past few days, and finally coalesced enough to (attempt to) communicate :-) I'll take your word for it. But there seemed to me to be a sort of competition going on as to who could write the most elaborate and flowery description. *lol* I have indeed been re-exploring more flowery realms lately! Very sweet. Not a thing wrong with it, whatever the motivation. If I entertain addictions to adulation, flirtation, and so on, as a substitute for genuine intimacy and appreciation of Self/Other/Self, those will indeed be wrong or demonic -- i.e., diseased, based around pain, an attempt to mask or compensate for primal fear, guilt and shame :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Energy (ananda, bliss, laughter, Shiva) = Mass (sat, love, Vishnu) times the speed of light (chit, consciousness, Brahma) squared (aware of itself). Mass resisted (denied the light of self- knowledge) becomes painful tamas instead of blissful dissolution; hindering the free-flow of the gunas through the hiranyagarbha attention-field :-) Great cognition Rory! Exactly how I have experienced it, though your comprehensive and eloquent formula is beyond any description I could've given it. Thanks! PS On the subject of those who don't know they are enlightened, or acting in enlightened ways, and this experience [of enlightenment] propagating through the popular culture, I see a strong similarity between what you describe perfectly as 'the free-flow of the gunas through the hiranyagarbha attention-field', and when athletes and others speak of being 'in the zone'. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And it would appear that when one's Brahma or creative consciousness withholds approval or Self-knowledge from a given mind-matter impulse, then that impulse separates/is separated from the Whole and holds that not-good/not-God belief about itself (i.e. thinks itself rebellious or demonic) until it is relieved, dissolved, lightened up, healed and integrated by an unconditional re- appraisal from that same Brahma-nature. And until that integration is accomplished, those rebellious impulses may congeal and remain in the field(s) of that creative consciousness as a substance -- grit, asteroids, smoke-clouds, or whatever -- that *appears* to obscure the blazing Brahma-nature and create hellish realities -- really, hellish filters of judgement and condemnation and ego-pettiness through which the pristine reality of one's God-field is distorted. But the actual Brahma-nature of one's creative consciousness is ever-radiant, ever-blazing, ever the same. :-) Great segue between heaven and hell worlds, showing the seed of both are indeed the same. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
Judy: It's what males *do*, and thank goodness. If they didn't, the species wouldn't survive for long. It's just funny and charming to see it in this context. I could be wrong, of course, but I got a chuckle out of the image. Sorry it pushed your buttons. Rory: It's a nice image, but perhaps a little off in this case. I've seldom been reticent to share my current understandings, regardless of who may or may not eventually enjoy them. These have been percolating since just before the Navaratri/Durga puja last week crystallized further over the past few days, and finally coalesced enough to (attempt to) communicate :-) Judy: I'll take your word for it. But there seemed to me to be a sort of competition going on as to who could write the most elaborate and flowery description. Akasha: And its [thess posts] useful, how? Rory: Helps me understand myself. - I share Rory's perspective and motivation on this. Why people post is interesting to ponder -- I ask myself at times. What happens with me is that I may read a post and it strikes an interesting thought [to me]. The post I am reading may or may not be interesting [to me]. But posting a reply gives an opportunity to work out and examine the idea that arises. I try to tie it to the invoking posters post. Or state I am using theirs only as a springboard to explore a new vista. Why not just post to a journal? Well that would work too. But it doesn't give the stimulus of other posts. And, occasionally, a post exploring some new idea, may actually invoke an interesting diologue. Not often. But it happens. Thus the impetus to keep throwing stuff out there. As far as others, I assume few read what I write. I am not writing to seek approval or recognition, Actually slams are good, in that it makes me revaluate things, both message and strength of conviction. For example if someone slams the post and its due to not getting my point, I consider how to refine my writing. When a poster gets it, but disagrees, its a good check on ideas and of how strongly I beleive what I wrote. And its interesting to people watch. To see the disparity between words and actions, at times. To see various motives at work (apparently -- though motives of others is always speculative). And its interesting to see a number of minds at work, including Akaasha's, and see what pops up, not necessarily taking any of the bubbles of the collective minds as right or wrong, better or worse. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I'll take your word for it. But there seemed to me to be a sort of competition going on as to who could write the most elaborate and flowery description. *lol* I have indeed been re-exploring more flowery realms lately! Very sweet. Not a thing wrong with it, whatever the motivation. If I entertain addictions to adulation, flirtation, and so on, as a substitute for genuine intimacy and appreciation of Self/Other/Self, those will indeed be wrong or demonic -- i.e., diseased, based around pain, an attempt to mask or compensate for primal fear, guilt and shame :-) Gee, that's awfully judgmental, Rory. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy: It's what males *do*, and thank goodness. If they didn't, the species wouldn't survive for long. It's just funny and charming to see it in this context. I could be wrong, of course, but I got a chuckle out of the image. Sorry it pushed your buttons. Rory: It's a nice image, but perhaps a little off in this case. I've seldom been reticent to share my current understandings, regardless of who may or may not eventually enjoy them. These have been percolating since just before the Navaratri/Durga puja last week crystallized further over the past few days, and finally coalesced enough to (attempt to) communicate :-) Judy: I'll take your word for it. But there seemed to me to be a sort of competition going on as to who could write the most elaborate and flowery description. Akasha: And its [thess posts] useful, how? Rory: Helps me understand myself. - I share Rory's perspective and motivation on this. Why people post is interesting to ponder -- I ask myself at times. What happens with me is that I may read a post and it strikes an interesting thought [to me]. The post I am reading may or may not be interesting [to me]. But posting a reply gives an opportunity to work out and examine the idea that arises. I try to tie it to the invoking posters post. Or state I am using theirs only as a springboard to explore a new vista. Why not just post to a journal? Well that would work too. But it doesn't give the stimulus of other posts. And, occasionally, a post exploring some new idea, may actually invoke an interesting diologue. Not often. But it happens. Thus the impetus to keep throwing stuff out there. As far as others, I assume few read what I write. I am not writing to seek approval or recognition, Actually slams are good, in that it makes me revaluate things, both message and strength of conviction. For example if someone slams the post and its due to not getting my point, I consider how to refine my writing. When a poster gets it, but disagrees, its a good check on ideas and of how strongly I beleive what I wrote. And its interesting to people watch. To see the disparity between words and actions, at times. To see various motives at work (apparently -- though motives of others is always speculative). And its interesting to see a number of minds at work, including Akaasha's, and see what pops up, not necessarily taking any of the bubbles of the collective minds as right or wrong, better or worse. Well said! ...and I for one read many of your posts, except I confess some of the really, really, really long ones. And yes, I 'journaled' for many years, but it is a much richer experience to do it here, good, bad or indifferent... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
Rory: If I entertain addictions to adulation, flirtation, and so on, as a substitute for genuine intimacy and appreciation of Self/Other/Self, those will indeed be wrong or demonic -- i.e., diseased, based around pain, an attempt to mask or compensate for primal fear, guilt and shame :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gee, that's awfully judgmental, Rory. *lol* Is it judgmental to call a disease a disease? It appears that one has to recognize and identify the nature of the problem if one wishes to heal it. Denial of addiction-patterns masking not-love impulses -- refusing to recognize the Self in (and larger than) patterns like Unworthiness, Fear, Guilt, Shame and Rage -- only perpetuates the heaviness of the disease, and leaches away more and more life, leading eventually to depression and death. I would not be at all suprised to learn that genuine physical immortality is our completely natural state, one essentially free of all addictions/obsessions/repressions (including addictions to relationships, sex, romance, growth, food, money, power, drugs, and so on) :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rory: If I entertain addictions to adulation, flirtation, and so on, as a substitute for genuine intimacy and appreciation of Self/Other/Self, those will indeed be wrong or demonic -- i.e., diseased, based around pain, an attempt to mask or compensate for primal fear, guilt and shame :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gee, that's awfully judgmental, Rory. *lol* Is it judgmental to call a disease a disease? If you judge something is a disease, and you judge that diseases are Problems to be overcome, sure it's judgmental. Is being judgmental a disease? It appears that one has to recognize and identify the nature of the problem if one wishes to heal it. Denial of addiction-patterns masking not-love impulses -- refusing to recognize the Self in (and larger than) patterns like Unworthiness, Fear, Guilt, Shame and Rage -- only perpetuates the heaviness of the disease, and leaches away more and more life, leading eventually to depression and death. I would not be at all suprised to learn that genuine physical immortality is our completely natural state, one essentially free of all addictions/obsessions/repressions (including addictions to relationships, sex, romance, growth, food, money, power, drugs, and so on) :-) Substituting, perhaps, an addiction to physical existence? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Energy (ananda, bliss, laughter, Shiva) = Mass (sat, love, Vishnu) times the speed of light (chit, consciousness, Brahma) squared (aware of itself). Mass resisted (denied the light of self- knowledge) becomes painful tamas instead of blissful dissolution; hindering the free-flow of the gunas through the hiranyagarbha attention-field :-) Great cognition Rory! Exactly how I have experienced it, though your comprehensive and eloquent formula is beyond any description I could've given it. Thanks! *lol* All thanks go to Einstein; I am only just now figuring out how relevant his cognitions are to *me* :-) PS On the subject of those who don't know they are enlightened, or acting in enlightened ways, and this experience [of enlightenment] propagating through the popular culture, I see a strong similarity between what you describe perfectly as 'the free-flow of the gunas through the hiranyagarbha attention-field', and when athletes and others speak of being 'in the zone'. Yes -- time slows down towards (and into) no-space-time Perfect-flow the more we are aligned with the speed of our own unconditional and unconditioned light-attention :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rory: If I entertain addictions to adulation, flirtation, and so on, as a substitute for genuine intimacy and appreciation of Self/Other/Self, those will indeed be wrong or demonic -- i.e., diseased, based around pain, an attempt to mask or compensate for primal fear, guilt and shame :-) See, this is what I meant by judgmental: Why can't adulation, flirtation, etc., be enjoyed in and of themselves without being addictions or substitutes? That's how *I* took the showing-off image I was entertaining. You seem to have taken it quite differently. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and I for one read many of your posts, except I confess some of the really, really, really long ones. As Loud-Zoo said: Big thoughts require big posts. Big posts require big minds to comprehend. Such minds become the Dao. Or was that Homer S. saying such minds become the Doh. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and I for one read many of your posts, except I confess some of the really, really, really long ones. As Loud-Zoo said: Big thoughts require big posts. Big posts require big minds to comprehend. Such minds become the Dao. Or was that Homer S. saying such minds become the Doh. I must confess I am more of the Doh variety... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rory: If I entertain addictions to adulation, flirtation, and so on, as a substitute for genuine intimacy and appreciation of Self/Other/Self, those will indeed be wrong or demonic -- i.e., diseased, based around pain, an attempt to mask or compensate for primal fear, guilt and shame :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gee, that's awfully judgmental, Rory. *lol* Is it judgmental to call a disease a disease? If you judge something is a disease, and you judge that diseases are Problems to be overcome, sure it's judgmental. Perhaps we are getting caught up in misunderstood definitions -- I merely mean to *identify* areas of pain in ourselves, feel them and heal them. Refusal to heal our own pain is a symptom and cause of surrendering to some addiction or other -- making that addiction -- that false belief and support-system -- more important than our own present-moment integrity, joy, freedom, and so on :-) Is being judgmental a disease? It is (or will be) if we identify a pattern in ourself as not-self or not-good and do not take steps to dissolve that identification. It appears that one has to recognize and identify the nature of the problem if one wishes to heal it. Denial of addiction-patterns masking not- love impulses -- refusing to recognize the Self in (and larger than) patterns like Unworthiness, Fear, Guilt, Shame and Rage -- only perpetuates the heaviness of the disease, and leaches away more and more life, leading eventually to depression and death. I would not be at all suprised to learn that genuine physical immortality is our completely natural state, one essentially free of all addictions/obsessions/repressions (including addictions to relationships, sex, romance, growth, food, money, power, drugs, and so on) :-) Substituting, perhaps, an addiction to physical existence? No, genuine physical immortality is not physical existence any longer, at least in the sense it is commonly understood. It would appear to be rather something along the lines of physically understanding all physical matter to be nothing other than love as a relationship between energy/bliss and consciousness. The formula for physical immortality would seem to be E = Mc(2) or laughter/bliss = love/coalesence x consciousness/light aware of itself :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rory: If I entertain addictions to adulation, flirtation, and so on, as a substitute for genuine intimacy and appreciation of Self/Other/Self, those will indeed be wrong or demonic -- i.e., diseased, based around pain, an attempt to mask or compensate for primal fear, guilt and shame :-) See, this is what I meant by judgmental: Why can't adulation, flirtation, etc., be enjoyed in and of themselves without being addictions or substitutes? So what would you say is the difference between an enjoyment and an addiction? That's how *I* took the showing-off image I was entertaining. You seem to have taken it quite differently. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps we are getting caught up in misunderstood definitions -- I merely mean to *identify* areas of pain in ourselves, feel them and heal them. Refusal to heal our own pain is a symptom and cause of surrendering to some addiction or other -- making that addiction -- that false belief and support-system -- more important than our own present-moment integrity, joy, freedom, and so on :-) I wonder if posting to FFL is an addiction. I wonder if before posting, we should all close our eyes and see if there is some discomfort in the body. And If so, attentionize and breath through it. Then open our eyes and see if there is still an impulse to post. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: genuine physical immortality is not physical existence any longer, at least in the sense it is commonly understood. It would appear to be rather something along the lines of physically understanding all physical matter to be nothing other than love as a relationship between energy/bliss and consciousness. The formula for physical immortality would seem to be E = Mc(2) or laughter/bliss = love/coalesence x consciousness/light aware of itself :-) And how do you see the practical ramifications of this? Granted I can accept what you are saying conceptually. But does this mean that our bodies once they are wholly conscious of themselves as embodiments of love at the cellular level will continue to exist forever? Or does it mean that the grossest elements of the body will still die off, we will still experience the seperation of earthly death, to then continue immortally as subtler representations of ourselves? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rory: If I entertain addictions to adulation, flirtation, and so on, as a substitute for genuine intimacy and appreciation of Self/Other/Self, those will indeed be wrong or demonic -- i.e., diseased, based around pain, an attempt to mask or compensate for primal fear, guilt and shame :-) See, this is what I meant by judgmental: Why can't adulation, flirtation, etc., be enjoyed in and of themselves without being addictions or substitutes? Oh, sure, I suppose they theoretically could; anything's possible. I was speaking of them as addictive patterns used to mask heavier feelings of not-good because that is how I have used them in the past and that's what I am currently interested in: personal transformation and alchemy. I have found that the desire to flirt and receive adulation generally (maybe always) stemmed from a not- OK (addicted) place inside; your mileage may vary :-) That's how *I* took the showing-off image I was entertaining. You seem to have taken it quite differently. Yes, I confess I sometimes (generally?) use your posts as stimuli to continue to explore issues I am most interested in in this moment. As mentioned, my purpose for being here is to understand myself better. You sometimes show me heavinesses or densities in my field- awareness which I can then dissolve into greater understanding and bliss. It's fun! But of course I speak only of me; what effect if any I may appear to have on you (whatever that may be, apart from me) is not really my business :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder if posting to FFL is an addiction. I wonder if before posting, we should all close our eyes and see if there is some discomfort in the body. And If so, attentionize and breath through it. Then open our eyes and see if there is still an impulse to post. I have wondered the same thing (no definitive answer as yet); and have done that same thing many times -- sometimes the impulse to post persists :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: genuine physical immortality is not physical existence any longer, at least in the sense it is commonly understood. It would appear to be rather something along the lines of physically understanding all physical matter to be nothing other than love as a relationship between energy/bliss and consciousness. The formula for physical immortality would seem to be E = Mc(2) or laughter/bliss = love/coalesence x consciousness/light aware of itself :-) And how do you see the practical ramifications of this? Granted I can accept what you are saying conceptually. But does this mean that our bodies once they are wholly conscious of themselves as embodiments of love at the cellular level will continue to exist forever? I believe this is possible, yes, as the cells remember they are only light-love-laughter; these gunas are apparently as eternal and absolute as anything else :-) Or does it mean that the grossest elements of the body will still die off, we will still experience the seperation of earthly death, to then continue immortally as subtler representations of ourselves? I believe this is also possible, yes :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder if posting to FFL is an addiction. I wonder if before posting, we should all close our eyes and see if there is some discomfort in the body. And If so, attentionize and breath through it. Then open our eyes and see if there is still an impulse to post. I have wondered the same thing (no definitive answer as yet); and have done that same thing many times -- sometimes the impulse to post persists :-) Must be one of those really deep addictions then. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rory: If I entertain addictions to adulation, flirtation, and so on, as a substitute for genuine intimacy and appreciation of Self/Other/Self, those will indeed be wrong or demonic - i.e., diseased, based around pain, an attempt to mask or compensate for primal fear, guilt and shame :-) See, this is what I meant by judgmental: Why can't adulation, flirtation, etc., be enjoyed in and of themselves without being addictions or substitutes? So what would you say is the difference between an enjoyment and an addiction? You mean, between an enjoyment and an addiction to an enjoyment? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder if posting to FFL is an addiction. I wonder if before posting, we should all close our eyes and see if there is some discomfort in the body. And If so, attentionize and breath through it. Then open our eyes and see if there is still an impulse to post. I have wondered the same thing (no definitive answer as yet); and have done that same thing many times -- sometimes the impulse to post persists :-) Must be one of those really deep addictions then. Could well be; as mentioned, no definitive answer as yet :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps we are getting caught up in misunderstood definitions -- I merely mean to *identify* areas of pain in ourselves, feel them and heal them. Refusal to heal our own pain is a symptom and cause of surrendering to some addiction or other -- making that addiction -- that false belief and support-system -- more important than our own present-moment integrity, joy, freedom, and so on :-) I wonder if posting to FFL is an addiction. I wonder if before posting, we should all close our eyes and see if there is some discomfort in the body. And If so, attentionize and breath through it. Then open our eyes and see if there is still an impulse to post. roar Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: genuine physical immortality is not physical existence any longer, at least in the sense it is commonly understood. It would appear to be rather something along the lines of physically understanding all physical matter to be nothing other than love as a relationship between energy/bliss and consciousness. The formula for physical immortality would seem to be E = Mc(2) or laughter/bliss = love/coalesence x consciousness/light aware of itself :-) And how do you see the practical ramifications of this? Granted I can accept what you are saying conceptually. But does this mean that our bodies once they are wholly conscious of themselves as embodiments of love at the cellular level will continue to exist forever? I believe this is possible, yes, as the cells remember they are only light-love-laughter; these gunas are apparently as eternal and absolute as anything else :-) Or does it mean that the grossest elements of the body will still die off, we will still experience the seperation of earthly death, to then continue immortally as subtler representations of ourselves? I believe this is also possible, yes :-) OK, then the extent of physical immortality is directly related to the ability of the body to become wholly conscious of itself as light-love-laughter. This makes sense and is remiscent of some of the chapters of Autobiography of a Yogi (probably my favorite book on spirituality). Which also explains how some saints are able to sustain the body purely through prana; the body recognizes itself not as a gross physical object requiring physical food for sustenance, rather more as you describe, and being able to wholly assimilate the pure life force as food. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rory: If I entertain addictions to adulation, flirtation, and so on, as a substitute for genuine intimacy and appreciation of Self/Other/Self, those will indeed be wrong or demonic - i.e., diseased, based around pain, an attempt to mask or compensate for primal fear, guilt and shame :-) See, this is what I meant by judgmental: Why can't adulation, flirtation, etc., be enjoyed in and of themselves without being addictions or substitutes? So what would you say is the difference between an enjoyment and an addiction? You mean, between an enjoyment and an addiction to an enjoyment? uh-huh Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rory: If I entertain addictions to adulation, flirtation, and so on, as a substitute for genuine intimacy and appreciation of Self/Other/Self, those will indeed be wrong or demonic -- i.e., diseased, based around pain, an attempt to mask or compensate for primal fear, guilt and shame :-) See, this is what I meant by judgmental: Why can't adulation, flirtation, etc., be enjoyed in and of themselves without being addictions or substitutes? So what would you say is the difference between an enjoyment and an addiction? You mean, between an enjoyment and an addiction to an enjoyment? uh-huh I guess the simplest definition of an addiction is that if you don't indulge in it, you feel like something's missing. If it's just enjoyment, you can take it or leave it, but without feeling deprived if you leave it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what would you say is the difference between an enjoyment and an addiction? You mean, between an enjoyment and an addiction to an enjoyment? That's actually a nice distinction. In a classic Buddhist context, even enjoyment is binding, because it sets up the cause to a binding effect. Indulging in the enjoyment sets up a samskara to want to indulge in it again, and thus one perpetuates the desire- fulfillment-new desire cycle. But that's just an intellectual argument from which there is no escape. If you try to *avoid* the enjoyment, then you're just setting up a new set of samskaras, part of the aversion-lack of fulfillment-new aversion cycle. :-) I guess if I were forced to define the difference between simple enjoyment and addiction, I would have to say that you have the ability to resist the enjoyment. The desire is not so strong as to over- shadow that aspect of self that has free will. Some samskaras are more addicting that heroin. The pathological need to be *afraid* that we see in the Neocons. The pathological need for recognition or adoration that we see in some spiritual teachers. The pathological need for a path to follow, even when one has gone past the need to go anywhere. People in the grip of any of these needs can't really be said to have free will, in my opinion. Something usually has to happen before the option to break the cycle can even be entertained as a thought. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what would you say is the difference between an enjoyment and an addiction? You mean, between an enjoyment and an addiction to an enjoyment? That's actually a nice distinction. In a classic Buddhist context, even enjoyment is binding, because it sets up the cause to a binding effect. Indulging in the enjoyment sets up a samskara to want to indulge in it again, and thus one perpetuates the desire- fulfillment-new desire cycle. In that sense, avoidance of pain is no different. Pleasure and pain are just points along the same continuum. But that's just an intellectual argument from which there is no escape. If you try to *avoid* the enjoyment, then you're just setting up a new set of samskaras, part of the aversion-lack of fulfillment-new aversion cycle. :-) I guess if I were forced to define the difference between simple enjoyment and addiction, I would have to say that you have the ability to resist the enjoyment. The desire is not so strong as to over- shadow that aspect of self that has free will. More generally, I'd say with an addiction, the lack of the enjoyment is perceived as pain. Even if you're able to resist the desire, you still feel deprived. Some samskaras are more addicting that heroin. The pathological need to be *afraid* that we see in the Neocons. The pathological need for recognition or adoration that we see in some spiritual teachers. The pathological need for a path to follow, even when one has gone past the need to go anywhere. People in the grip of any of these needs can't really be said to have free will, in my opinion. Something usually has to happen before the option to break the cycle can even be entertained as a thought. And as I understand things, the fundamental addiction is to the belief that one has free will and is therefore the author of one's actions. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess the simplest definition of an addiction is that if you don't indulge in it, you feel like something's missing. If it's just enjoyment, you can take it or leave it, but without feeling deprived if you leave it. Ah. Good framework for the label Enlightenment. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess the simplest definition of an addiction is that if you don't indulge in it, you feel like something's missing. If it's just enjoyment, you can take it or leave it, but without feeling deprived if you leave it. Ah. Good framework for the label Enlightenment. It really is, I think. (Do you know that thought is true? Hell no!!, Don't be silly Katie) A certain level of freedom is gained when one can be called any name or label, have any adoration or contempt laid upon them, and it doesn't matter -- in action, from the gut, in terms of inner balance, in appreciation of the name caller etc. For example, Call me enlightened, call me ignorant, call me stupid, call me Shiva, call me obtuse, call me Hitler, call me Willie Mays, call me a liar, call me insightful, call me delusional, call me Joe, call me Sally, call me unenlightened, call me chauvanist, call me a femminist, call me a right-winger, call me a pinko bastard, call me queer, call me macho, call me absurd, call me boring, call me barney-like, call me rich, call mepoor, call me educated, call me illiterate, call me fundamentalist, call me a donkey, call me a slob, call me a total horses ass, call me psycho, call me unbalanced, call me in the zone, call me centered, call me fuckhead, call me a hathen, call me hateful, call me loving, call me a tree, call me river (and cry me a river), call me addicted, call me sober, call me Kali, call me Ravana, call me a monkey, call me a cab, ... just call me. Or don't. Its all the same to me. And my status doesn't change, and my view of you doesn't change. If one gets insulted, or puffed up, or angry, or exhilarated, or sad or happy by a label, or a name or a critique or some praise, then there is some more to work on (attention, light and breath - or whatever floats/sinks your boat). And the caster of such, also may have things to work on. Somtimes I blow warm and somtimes I blow cold and eventually, you are weatherproof. MMY. Thats one of my favorite quotes. It illustrates the superficiality of labels and praise / criticism. And the value of such to temper us. Like steel. Hot and cold. If one reacts to such, its a clear sign of remaining ego. Even if I can't find it anywhere. Sometimes we can't find our glasses. But they are still there, on our head. And having some ego attahements is not a bad thing. Just own up to it. Work on it. And it makes me laugh from the belly when people say but M. gets angry. HAHAHAHA. Its hard to evaluate guru tricks and methods and distinguish such from the foilbles of ordinary folks. Its kind of a projection. See -- he gets angry just like me. Well, it may look like anger, but do you really know that its just like me? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some samskaras are more addicting that heroin. The pathological need to be *afraid* that we see in the Neocons. The pathological need for recognition or adoration that we see in some spiritual teachers. The pathological need for a path to follow, even when one has gone past the need to go anywhere. People in the grip of any of these needs can't really be said to have free will, in my opinion. Something usually has to happen before the option to break the cycle can even be entertained as a thought. And as I understand things, the fundamental addiction is to the belief that one has free will and is therefore the author of one's actions. Isn't it neat that you have the free will to understand things that way? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some samskaras are more addicting that heroin. The pathological need to be *afraid* that we see in the Neocons. The pathological need for recognition or adoration that we see in some spiritual teachers. The pathological need for a path to follow, even when one has gone past the need to go anywhere. People in the grip of any of these needs can't really be said to have free will, in my opinion. Something usually has to happen before the option to break the cycle can even be entertained as a thought. And as I understand things, the fundamental addiction is to the belief that one has free will and is therefore the author of one's actions. Isn't it neat that you have the free will to understand things that way? And you believe I have the free will to change that understanding because...? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess the simplest definition of an addiction is that if you don't indulge in it, you feel like something's missing. If it's just enjoyment, you can take it or leave it, but without feeling deprived if you leave it. Ah. Good framework for the label Enlightenment. Yeah, enlightenment would be kind of the glorified version. But the fact that while I enjoy chocolate, I don't feel deprived if I don't have it, doesn't mean I'm enlightened. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
Regarding your comments below - I would think that your perspective would be that everyone is actually blazing Brahman already, and just have to realize it. In that case, what special status would you give to those who are enlightened people who have actually been essentially or completely unware of their own enlightenment ? In other words, what is the difference between the majority of people on earth, ie. those who haven't yet realized their enlightenment, and those that you have worked with who are already enlightened but don't know it? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [SNIP] Very good points. I have also been fortunate to work with some wonderfully enlightened people who have actually been essentially or completely unware of their own enlightenment, by virtue of that slight misunderstanding of the nature of (the remains of) ignorance: i.e., petty suffering we resist or ignore doesn't really go away; it just remains in ignorance, becoming heavier and darker the more we ignore it. Paradoxically the more we ignore it, the more it binds our attention until we find ourselves immersed in and fully identified with suffering. Separating ourselves from the suffering just enough to gain an unshakable foothold (often easiest to do by locating it in the body, and/or remembering who we really are), and then approaching it with an embrace of unconditional love, allowing it to feel, breathe, etc., lightens it quickly up into its true nature of radiant bliss. To my eye anyhow, these people are the most amazingly blazing Suns of Brahman who were more or less completely overlooking their own light and love and powerful attention fields by empowering ignorance and the darkness of suffering and not-love, all merely unrecognized and unloved portions of themSelves! :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regarding your comments below - I would think that your perspective would be that everyone is actually blazing Brahman already, and just have to realize it. In that case, what special status would you give to those who are enlightened people who have actually been essentially or completely unware of their own enlightenment ? In other words, what is the difference between the majority of people on earth, ie. those who haven't yet realized their enlightenment, and those that you have worked with who are already enlightened but don't know it? Great question, and one I was thinking about some after writing this post. All I can really say is that while technically all are blazing Brahman already, some appear to blaze a lot brighter than others in this moment -- i.e., probably have done enough work clarifying the intellect and so on that Brahman is more self-evident in them; their attention-field is obviously waves of light and so on. To me anyhow: because they are (presumably) travelling inside the light-wave of their own attention, they don't appear to see it; they only tend to notice that the erstwhile-heavy object of their unconditional attention is lightening up into bliss and so on. It is simply that they had been unaware of the tamasic or darkening/thickening approach they had taken in resisting, avoiding or ignoring the particle of ignorance :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great question, and one I was thinking about some after writing this post. All I can really say is that while technically all are blazing Brahman already, some appear to blaze a lot brighter than others in this moment -- i.e., probably have done enough work clarifying the intellect and so on that Brahman is more self-evident in them; their attention-field is obviously waves of light and so on. To me anyhow: because they are (presumably) travelling inside the light-wave of their own attention, they don't appear to see it; they only tend to notice that the erstwhile-heavy object of their unconditional attention is lightening up into bliss and so on. It is simply that they had been unaware of the tamasic or darkening/thickening approach they had taken in resisting, avoiding or ignoring the particle of ignorance :-) Energy (ananda, bliss, laughter, Shiva) = Mass (sat, love, Vishnu) times the speed of light (chit, consciousness, Brahma) squared (aware of itself). Mass resisted (denied the light of self- knowledge) becomes painful tamas instead of blissful dissolution; hindering the free-flow of the gunas through the hiranyagarbha attention-field :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Energy (ananda, bliss, laughter, Shiva) = Mass (sat, love, Vishnu) times the speed of light (chit, consciousness, Brahma) squared (aware of itself). Mass resisted (denied the light of self- knowledge) becomes painful tamas instead of blissful dissolution; hindering the free-flow of the gunas through the hiranyagarbha attention-field :-) It would *appear* anyhow that the Brahma-point at the center of the Hiranyagarbha (poised between the mountain-cone of Vishnu and the upside down cone of Shiva) becomes aware of itself via a very quick churning or washing-machine back-and-forth rotation which casts light-waves spiralling out first in one direction, then in the other -- in cross-currents (hence, aware of itself), and that the nodes at the intersections of the spirals form the bejeweled matrices of subtle-mind-matter impulses (devas) :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would *appear* anyhow that the Brahma-point at the center of the Hiranyagarbha (poised between the mountain-cone of Vishnu and the upside down cone of Shiva) becomes aware of itself via a very quick churning or washing-machine back-and-forth rotation which casts light-waves spiralling out first in one direction, then in the other -- in cross-currents (hence, aware of itself), and that the nodes at the intersections of the spirals form the bejeweled matrices of subtle-mind-matter impulses (devas) :-) And it would appear that when one's Brahma or creative consciousness withholds approval or Self-knowledge from a given mind-matter impulse, then that impulse separates/is separated from the Whole and holds that not-good/not-God belief about itself (i.e. thinks itself rebellious or demonic) until it is relieved, dissolved, lightened up, healed and integrated by an unconditional re-appraisal from that same Brahma-nature. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] To Rory - Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would *appear* anyhow that the Brahma-point at the center of the Hiranyagarbha (poised between the mountain-cone of Vishnu and the upside down cone of Shiva) becomes aware of itself via a very quick churning or washing-machine back-and-forth rotation which casts light-waves spiralling out first in one direction, then in the other -- in cross-currents (hence, aware of itself), and that the nodes at the intersections of the spirals form the bejeweled matrices of subtle-mind-matter impulses (devas) :-) And it would appear that when one's Brahma or creative consciousness withholds approval or Self-knowledge from a given mind-matter impulse, then that impulse separates/is separated from the Whole and holds that not-good/not-God belief about itself (i.e. thinks itself rebellious or demonic) until it is relieved, dissolved, lightened up, healed and integrated by an unconditional re-appraisal from that same Brahma-nature. :-) And all of this (four last posts) is your direct experience? Or imaginative speculation. And its useful, how? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
