[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-05 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: [...] I always thought the TMO should publish ALL TM research -- both

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-05 Thread Robert Gimbel
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/4/06 10:27 PM, bmorry2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Insiders know they were told to leave. Aging parents provided a public excuse for the OJs. So why were they told to leave? (OJ's and Goldmans) I don't

[FairfieldLife] Shankara's commentary on II 45

2006-04-05 Thread cardemaister
traiguNyaviSayaaH traiguNyaM saMsaaro viSayaH prakaashayitavyaH yeSaaM te vedaaH traiguNyaviSayaaH | tvaM tu nistraiguNyo bhava arjuna, niSkaamo bhava ityarthaH | nirdvandvaH sukhaduHkhahetuu pratipakSau padaarthau dvandvashabdavaacyau, tataH nirgataH nirdvandvo bhava | nityasattvasthaH

[FairfieldLife] Re: Shankara's commentary on II 45

2006-04-05 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: traiguNyaviSayaaH traiguNyaM saMsaaro viSayaH prakaashayitavyaH yeSaaM te vedaaH traiguNyaviSayaaH | tvaM tu nistraiguNyo bhava arjuna, niSkaamo bhava ityarthaH | nirdvandvaH sukhaduHkhahetuu pratipakSau

[FairfieldLife] Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-05 Thread Vaj
Said I'd post this if I found it. If you haven't signed yours yet, please send it in soon :-) Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi(to be signed by the teacher of TM)It is my privilege Maharishi, to promise to teach the Principles and Practice of Transcendental Meditation only as a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Shankara's commentary on II 45

2006-04-05 Thread Richard J. Williams
cardemaister wrote: We've tried to transliterate the original text as accurately as possible. There are some strange features in that text, like ignored sandhis, and stuff. So, you're a Sanskrit transliterator. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to:

[FairfieldLife] Re: ASSC 10

2006-04-05 Thread Richard J. Williams
sparaig wrote: There's always TucsonConsciousness 2006 April 4-8: http://www.consciousness.arizona.edu/tucson2006.htm So, I take it you don't plan to attend ASSC 10. Thanks for the information about TucsonConsciousness - maybe I'll see you there. Will you be wearing a name badge? Of

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-05 Thread Richard J. Williams
Vaj wrote: What is unfortunate is that Ken really has probably never heard the 'dirty lowdown' on 'Marshy' and his movement. Surely you must be jesting, Vaj. Wilber co-authored 'Spiritual Choices' with Dick Anthony and you're saying that he probably never heard the 'dirty lowdown' on

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-05 Thread Vaj
Hi Willy On Apr 5, 2006, at 8:15 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Vaj wrote: What is unfortunate is that Ken really has probably never heard the 'dirty lowdown' on 'Marshy' and his movement. Surely you must be jesting, Vaj. Wilber co-authored 'Spiritual Choices' with Dick Anthony and

[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report

2006-04-05 Thread Richard J. Williams
wayback71 wrote: Richard, what is your point and could you just say it clearly? wayback71 - The Marshy doesn't need anymore people to sign up for TM training - he just needs to have the current teams of meditators sit in large groups to achieve the Maharishi effect, like we do at in the

[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report

2006-04-05 Thread Richard J. Williams
Vaj wrote: Which matha are you particularly referring to? The matha at Sringeri, the headquarters of the Saraswati sampradaya, the Dasanami sect founded by the Shakaracharya. Sringeri was the headquarters matha of Swami Brahmanand Saraswati, whose teacher was Swami Krishnanand Saraswati of

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM - lowdown

2006-04-05 Thread markmeredith2002
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Willy On Apr 5, 2006, at 8:15 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Vaj wrote: What is unfortunate is that Ken really has probably never heard the 'dirty lowdown' on 'Marshy' and his movement. Surely you must be

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report

2006-04-05 Thread Vaj
On Apr 5, 2006, at 8:44 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Vaj wrote: Which matha are you particularly referring to? The matha at Sringeri, the headquarters of the Saraswati sampradaya, the Dasanami sect founded by the Shakaracharya. Sringeri was the headquarters matha of Swami Brahmanand

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM - lowdown

2006-04-05 Thread Vaj
On Apr 5, 2006, at 9:09 AM, markmeredith2002 wrote: I think you 2 guys mean something completely different by lowdown. I practiced TM for decades, did most every course possible, lived in ffld for decades and did some independent poking around as the kool aid wore off, but still knew only a

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-05 Thread Richard J. Williams
Vaj wrote: Surely you must be jesting, Vaj. Wilber co-authored 'Spiritual Choices' with Dick Anthony and you're saying that he probably never heard the 'dirty lowdown' on Marshy? We don't know if he did or did not. If you had read the book, you would know. Wilber mentions the 'dirty

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM - lowdown

2006-04-05 Thread Richard J. Williams
markmeredith2002 wrote: I think you 2 guys mean something completely different by lowdown. I practiced TM for decades, did most every course possible, lived in ffld for decades and did some independent poking around as the kool aid wore off, So, Mark, you spent almost your entire life

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM - lowdown

2006-04-05 Thread Richard J. Williams
Vaj wrote: Precisely what I was trying to convey, thanks for sharing your own experience. Mark just admitted that after decades of poking around, he still hardly knows anything, and he lived in Fairfield for years, a town you apparently never even visited. From what I've read, you haven't been

[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-05 Thread sparaig
Don't know if this is a binding contract or not, but it certainly implies that one agrees to not teach TM outside the guidelines set up by the TM organization, incluidng any future requirements of recertification, wearing crowns, barking at the moon, etc. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

[FairfieldLife] Re: ASSC 10

2006-04-05 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sparaig wrote: There's always TucsonConsciousness 2006 April 4-8: http://www.consciousness.arizona.edu/tucson2006.htm So, I take it you don't plan to attend ASSC 10. Thanks for the information about

[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report

2006-04-05 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 5, 2006, at 8:44 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Vaj wrote: Which matha are you particularly referring to? The matha at Sringeri, the headquarters of the Saraswati sampradaya, the Dasanami sect founded by

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-05 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Willy On Apr 5, 2006, at 8:15 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Vaj wrote: What is unfortunate is that Ken really has probably never heard the 'dirty lowdown' on 'Marshy' and his movement. Surely you must be

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-05 Thread Vaj
Hi Willy: On Apr 5, 2006, at 9:36 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Vaj wrote: Surely you must be jesting, Vaj. Wilber co-authored 'Spiritual Choices' with Dick Anthony and you're saying that he probably never heard the 'dirty lowdown' on Marshy? We don't know if he did or did not.

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM - lowdown

2006-04-05 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 5, 2006, at 9:09 AM, markmeredith2002 wrote: I think you 2 guys mean something completely different by lowdown. I practiced TM for decades, did most every course possible, lived in ffld for decades and did some

[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report

2006-04-05 Thread Richard J. Williams
Vaj wrote: It's very ubiquitous. So, you're saying that many other temples in India, not just Brahmanand's headquarters matha at Sringeri, practice a meditation similar to TM and that the use of some TM bija mantras is widespread. Sri Vidya is not the only source of bija mantras. So, you

[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report

2006-04-05 Thread wayback71
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wayback71 wrote: Richard, what is your point and could you just say it clearly? wayback71 - The Marshy doesn't need anymore people to sign up for TM training - he just needs to have the current teams of

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM - lowdown

2006-04-05 Thread Richard J. Williams
sparaig wrote: As I said, the TM-ex stuff doesn't cover any of this? Apparently not. I've read all of the TM-ex stuff posted on Usenet by Lon P. Stacks, Steve Perino, John Manning, Robert Kropinsky, John Knapp, Don Krieger, and Mike Doughney, several times, and there's no 'low down' information

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-05 Thread Vaj
On Apr 5, 2006, at 9:59 AM, sparaig wrote: Hmmm, so you're saying that the TM-ex groups, among others, haven't maintained webpages for years on thte inner secret dirty laundry of TM and MMY and that the Wikipedia article on TM doesn't link to them? Not I'm not saying that, but thanks for

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM - lowdown

2006-04-05 Thread Vaj
On Apr 5, 2006, at 10:02 AM, sparaig wrote: As I said, the TM-ex stuff doesn't cover any of this? Some. I was thinking of more recent material and comment like seen here over the last several years. I had the impression that the TM-ex material had changed little in years. Am I incorrect

[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report

2006-04-05 Thread markmeredith2002
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: wayback71 wrote: Richard, what is your point and could you just say it clearly? wayback71 - The Marshy doesn't need anymore people to

[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report

2006-04-05 Thread Richard J. Williams
sparaig wrote: ...so you're saying that the fact that MMY produced a controvesial will didn't make the connection for you? It's not a fact that MMY 'produced' any controversial will. In fact, Brahmanand's will was found in a locked vault at the offices of the Jyotirmath Foundation Trust, and

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report

2006-04-05 Thread Vaj
On Apr 5, 2006, at 10:04 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Vaj wrote: It's very ubiquitous. So, you're saying that many other temples in India, not just Brahmanand's headquarters matha at Sringeri, practice a meditation similar to TM and that the use of some TM bija mantras is

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report

2006-04-05 Thread Vaj
On Apr 5, 2006, at 10:01 AM, sparaig wrote: It was actually from a conversation with Sw. Rama that I found out that Mahesh was one of the leading suspects in the murder of Swami Brahmananda. Sw. Rama's teaching on meditation probably most closely resembles Swami Brahmananda's own

[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report

2006-04-05 Thread Richard J. Williams
markmeredith wrote: Most every Indian spiritual group I've investigated uses some of the bija mantras - not necessarily in an eye-closed effortless meditation practice, but they seem to be very commonly known. So, it's a common practice all over India - Mr. Perino was mistaken. As

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-05 Thread Richard J. Williams
Vaj wrote: Not I'm not saying that, but thanks for reminding me. Trancenet is no longer available on the Internet. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing

[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report

2006-04-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip It was actually from a conversation with Sw. Rama that I found out that Mahesh was one of the leading suspects in the murder of Swami Brahmananda. Sw. Rama's teaching on meditation probably most closely resembles

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-05 Thread Richard J. Williams
Vaj wrote: I have no plans to read it, esp. as I don't particularly like reading KW. Well, you read it here - Wilber hasn't made any comments on the 'low down' on the Marshy, except in his book 'Spiritual Choices'. He's much more enjoyable on video or recent audio. Better in person. I'd

[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report

2006-04-05 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: markmeredith wrote: Most every Indian spiritual group I've investigated uses some of the bija mantras - not necessarily in an eye-closed effortless meditation practice, but they seem to be very commonly

[FairfieldLife] Chlorophyll, Lymph and Milk

2006-04-05 Thread Dharma Mitra
Yogis have remarked that chlorophyll greatly improves the function of the brain and positively facilitates intellectual/psychic abilities. They also mention that it facilitates milk production, something many women are still desirous of after pregnancy and may require the assistance of either

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM - lowdown

2006-04-05 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 5, 2006, at 10:02 AM, sparaig wrote: As I said, the TM-ex stuff doesn't cover any of this? Some. I was thinking of more recent material and comment like seen here over the last several years. I had the

[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report

2006-04-05 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 5, 2006, at 10:01 AM, sparaig wrote: It was actually from a conversation with Sw. Rama that I found out that Mahesh was one of the leading suspects in the murder of Swami Brahmananda. Sw. Rama's teaching on

[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report

2006-04-05 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: snip It was actually from a conversation with Sw. Rama that I found out that Mahesh was one of the leading suspects in the murder of Swami

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-05 Thread Vaj
On Apr 5, 2006, at 11:16 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: But Wilber hasn't made any comments lately about the Marshy - so why are you opening your big pie hole and making claims that Wilber has the 'low down' on the Marshy? Actually I said the opposite of what you're claiming: What is

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-05 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 5, 2006, at 11:16 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: But Wilber hasn't made any comments lately about the Marshy - so why are you opening your big pie hole and making claims that Wilber has the 'low down' on the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Chlorophyll, Lymph and Milk

2006-04-05 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dharma Mitra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yogis have remarked that chlorophyll greatly improves the function of the brain and positively facilitates intellectual/psychic abilities. They also mention that it facilitates milk production, something many women

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-05 Thread Richard J. Williams
sparaig wrote: And what have they been? The only specific reference to the Marshy, low-down or otherwise, or to TM research by Ken Wilber that I can find in any of Wilber's books or tapes is contained in his introduction to 'Spiritual Choices' - it's in most public libraries. However, I would

[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report

2006-04-05 Thread Richard J. Williams
sparaig wrote: Swami Rama claims he learned a specific meditation technique involving his own prayer beads (or whatever they are called) from Gurudev. Not just a meditation technique for counting prayer beads - Swami Rama was apparently intiated into the secret Sri Vidya cult by Swami

[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report

2006-04-05 Thread Richard J. Williams
Vaj wrote: It was a shock at the time. sparaig wrote: You're easily shocked since succession issues have been all the rage in religious and spiritual traditions since the dawn of history. Vaj seems not to be aware of the fact that the controversy concerning the succession at Jyotirmath

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM - lowdown

2006-04-05 Thread Richard J. Williams
sparaig wrote: They don't maintain the websites any more that I can tell. Trancenet has been down for a couple of years - Minit Org (Meditation Information Network) hasn't been updated since at least 1994. However, Mike Doughney and John Knapp drop in every once in a while on Usenet to try and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Shankara's native language?

2006-04-05 Thread anon_astute_ff
Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote The first and original Shankara is Lord Shiva - the Adi Shankara. Shankara in his lifetime was referred to as Acharya Shree. Pardon... but how do you know this for sure? Are you suggesting it is incorrect to refer to Shankara as Adi Shankara?

[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report

2006-04-05 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vaj wrote: It was a shock at the time. sparaig wrote: You're easily shocked since succession issues have been all the rage in religious and spiritual traditions since the dawn of history. Vaj

[FairfieldLife] Re: Churning the Milk Ocean

2006-04-05 Thread anon_astute_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The most popular version of the Indian myth 'Churning the Milk Ocean' is found in the Eighth Canto of the Bhagavata Purana. In Buddhist mythology, Amrita is the drink of the gods, which grants them

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM - lowdown

2006-04-05 Thread Richard J. Williams
Vaj wrote: I was thinking of more recent material and comment like seen here over the last several years. The information here sucks, big time. If all you've got is a few emails from ex-Marshy skin boys, then you've really got nothing. Skin boys don't know Jack. If insiders like Rick and

[FairfieldLife] Re: ASSC 10

2006-04-05 Thread anon_astute_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course, TM never gets much play there, eventhough half the meditation researchers use MMY's theory of enlightenment progression as a starting point for their own theories. You think his theory is original? Didn't he

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report

2006-04-05 Thread Vaj
On Apr 5, 2006, at 12:01 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Vaj seems not to be aware of the fact that the controversy concerning the succession at Jyotirmath was ongoing for over 150 years (some say 250 years). Actually Willie, I was aware of all this. For all we know, the real Shankaracharya

[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-05 Thread anon_astute_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Said I'd post this if I found it. If you haven't signed yours yet, please send it in soon :-) Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi (to be signed by the teacher of TM) It is my privilege Maharishi, to

[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report

2006-04-05 Thread Richard J. Williams
So, you're saying that many other temples in India, not just Brahmanand's headquarters matha at Sringeri, practice a meditation similar to TM and that the use of some TM bija mantras is widespread. Vaj wrote: We've discussed your misconceptions on these subjects many times Willie.

[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report

2006-04-05 Thread anon_astute_ff
On Apr 5, 2006, at 8:44 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Vaj wrote: Which matha are you particularly referring to? The matha at Sringeri, the headquarters of the Saraswati sampradaya, the Dasanami sect founded by the Shakaracharya. Sringeri was the headquarters matha of Swami

[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report

2006-04-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: Vaj wrote: It was a shock at the time. sparaig wrote: You're easily shocked since succession issues have been all the

[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report

2006-04-05 Thread Richard J. Williams
There's no evidence that a murder ever took place at Jyotirmath in a conspiracy between the Marshy and the Ashram Cook. That's just absurd and rediculous on it's face. jim_flanegin wrote: Agreed. It is a poisonous and rediculous rumor. Gossip at its worst. Guru Dev was definitely

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM - lowdown

2006-04-05 Thread Rick Archer
on 4/5/06 11:20 AM, Richard J. Williams at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vaj wrote: I was thinking of more recent material and comment like seen here over the last several years. The information here sucks, big time. If all you've got is a few emails from ex-Marshy skin boys, then you've

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report

2006-04-05 Thread Vaj
On Apr 5, 2006, at 12:36 PM, authfriend wrote: Just a rumor? Why, our Vaj just told us Maharishi was a leading suspect! Don't kill the messenger! Actually it was Sri Swami Rama, a student of Guru Dev's, who said it. So take it up with his ashes! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL

[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report

2006-04-05 Thread Richard J. Williams
The mantra you mentioned, 'ram', cardemaister wrote: AFAIK, that's raama, not ram. You are mistaken - 'raam' isn't a bija mantra in the tantric tradition - it's the name of a deified hero of Ayodha. The word 'ram' is used as a mantra by courtesy only. According to Swami Bhaktivedanta, the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chlorophyll, Lymph and Milk

2006-04-05 Thread Dharma Mitra
And you're a wetnurse too, oh jnani on the spot, Flanegin? Do share, please. Of all that anyone leading or teaching has to convey, the most valuable thing to cultivate and convey to others is a moral conscience. Only such persons deserve to lead others, in any capacity. Anything less is a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report

2006-04-05 Thread Vaj
On Apr 5, 2006, at 11:29 AM, sparaig wrote: It was a shock at the time. You're easily shocked since succession issues have been all the rage in religious and spiritual traditions since the dawn of history. It was the first time I had heard of a Shankaracharya student poisoning his

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-05 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 4/4/06 10:27 PM, bmorry2000 at bmorry2000@ wrote: Insiders know they were told to leave. Aging parents provided a public

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-05 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Willy On Apr 5, 2006, at 8:15 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Vaj wrote: What is unfortunate is that Ken really has probably never heard the 'dirty lowdown' on 'Marshy' and his movement. Surely you must be

[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-05 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't know if this is a binding contract or not, but it certainly implies that one agrees to not teach TM outside the guidelines set up by the TM organization, incluidng any future requirements of recertification,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Shankara's native language?

2006-04-05 Thread Richard J. Williams
The first and original Shankara is Lord Shiva - the Adi Shankara. Shankara in his lifetime was referred to as Acharya Shree. anon_astute_ff wrote: Pardon... but how do you know this for sure? One of my teachers, Swami Prakashanand Saraswati, a direct desciple of Guru Dev, told me so.

[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report

2006-04-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 5, 2006, at 12:36 PM, authfriend wrote: Just a rumor? Why, our Vaj just told us Maharishi was a leading suspect! Don't kill the messenger! Actually it was Sri Swami Rama, a student of Guru Dev's, who said it.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-05 Thread Rick Archer
on 4/5/06 11:56 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know for sure what happened, but it could have been part of the power struggle, that slowly pushed everyone out, who wasn't aligned with the new administration, Bevan, and people who had come from Europe, to take over

[FairfieldLife] Re: Churning the Milk Ocean

2006-04-05 Thread Richard J. Williams
anon_astute_ff wrote: Interesting how people want to assume that Soma is current hallucinogens. Hallucinogen ingestion has existed since the beginning of plant cultivation. Apparently one of the first plants domesticated by man was the barley plant, from which the ancients made beer. Closely

[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-05 Thread Richard J. Williams
anon_astute_ff wrote: Who in the Holy Tradition would ever accept money for such? Most all Holy Traditions in India accept money for operational expenses. How do you think they build temples? I've seen donor's names carved into the rock base of some temples. It's a common practice in India to

[FairfieldLife] What is evil incarnate?

2006-04-05 Thread shempmcgurk
It is the Disney film The Parent Trap. Identical twins are separated as toddlers, brought up separately by each parent a continent away from each other, ignorant of the other's existence. And this is a comedy? At least in The Producers the play-within-a-play called Springtime for Hitler is

[FairfieldLife] Re: ASSC 10

2006-04-05 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: Of course, TM never gets much play there, eventhough half the meditation researchers use MMY's theory of enlightenment progression as a starting

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report

2006-04-05 Thread Bhairitu
Richard J. Williams wrote: markmeredith wrote: Most every Indian spiritual group I've investigated uses some of the bija mantras - not necessarily in an eye-closed effortless meditation practice, but they seem to be very commonly known. So, it's a common practice all over India -

[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report

2006-04-05 Thread Richard J. Williams
anon_astute_ff wrote: If it is not available to non-initiates how would mahesh know this information? By getting himself initiated into the tantric tradition and then studying with his master for thirteen years? Does his name contain Saraswati? Sure, it's Bal, the name given to Mahesh when

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-05 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Willy: On Apr 5, 2006, at 9:36 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Vaj wrote: Surely you must be jesting, Vaj. Wilber co- authored 'Spiritual Choices' with Dick Anthony and you're saying that he probably never

[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report

2006-04-05 Thread Richard J. Williams
Vaj wrote: Don't kill the messenger! Actually it was Sri Swami Rama, a student of Guru Dev's, who said it. There's no evidence that Swami Rama ever said that Mahesh was a leading suspect in a murder at Jyotirmath. In fact, the rumor was started by Swami Prakashanand Saraswati, an erstwhile

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-05 Thread Ingegerd
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/5/06 11:56 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know for sure what happened, but it could have been part of the power struggle, that slowly pushed everyone out, who wasn't aligned with

[FairfieldLife] Re: Shankara's native language?

2006-04-05 Thread hanumanhoffman9
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The first and original Shankara is Lord Shiva - the Adi Shankara. Shankara in his lifetime was referred to as Acharya Shree. anon_astute_ff wrote: Pardon... but how do you know this for sure?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Churning the Milk Ocean

2006-04-05 Thread anon_astute_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: anon_astute_ff wrote: Interesting how people want to assume that Soma is current hallucinogens. Hallucinogen ingestion has existed since the beginning of plant cultivation. Apparently one of the first

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-05 Thread Vaj
On Apr 5, 2006, at 1:06 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: Maybe Wilbur takes the attitude that alot of still-practitioners-of- TM, like myself, on this forum take: the practise is the practise and whether MMY is a mass-murderer doesn't change whether the practise works or not. Rely on the teaching,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-05 Thread Vaj
On Apr 5, 2006, at 1:00 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: Isn't it all pretty much on this forum and its archives, available to all and any with a computer and an internet link? Yes, but it is in a scattered and somewhat disconnected fashion. What we should have for posterity is an authentic inside

[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-05 Thread anon_astute_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: anon_astute_ff wrote: Who in the Holy Tradition would ever accept money for such? Most all Holy Traditions in India accept money for operational expenses. How do you think they build temples? I've seen

[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report

2006-04-05 Thread anon_astute_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: anon_astute_ff wrote: If it is not available to non-initiates how would mahesh know this information? By getting himself initiated into the tantric tradition and then studying with his master for

[FairfieldLife] Re: learn the truth about TM

2006-04-05 Thread markmeredith2002
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sparaig wrote: And what have they been? The only specific reference to the Marshy, low-down or otherwise, or to TM research by Ken Wilber that I can find in any of Wilber's books or tapes is contained in

[FairfieldLife] Re: Churning the Milk Ocean

2006-04-05 Thread hanumanhoffman9
Jaya Guru Datta Here is an excerpt on the Churning and Kurma incarnation of Lord Vishnu: http://www.dattapeetham.com/india/bhaktimala/Jan97/Incarnations.html Next is Kurma Avatara. The incarnation as a tortoise. God came and got Amrita for the Devatas. The demons were deprived of it. God did

[FairfieldLife] Yugadi celebrations in Hyderabad and Raga Sagara Concert

2006-04-05 Thread hanumanhoffman9
Jaya Guru Datta These links are to the latest happenings of Sri Ganapati Sachchidananda Swamiji in Hyderabad, India. http://www.dattapeetham.com/india/tours/2006/hyderabad/hyderabad2006.html http://www.dattapeetham.com/india/tours/2006/hyderabad/ragasagara/ ragasagara2006.html To

[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-05 Thread brahmachari108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: anon_astute_ff wrote: Who in the Holy Tradition would ever accept money for such? Most all Holy Traditions in India accept money

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report

2006-04-05 Thread Rick Archer
on 4/5/06 12:30 PM, Richard J. Williams at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: anon_astute_ff wrote: If it is not available to non-initiates how would mahesh know this information? By getting himself initiated into the tantric tradition and then studying with his master for thirteen years? Does

[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report

2006-04-05 Thread anon_astute_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/5/06 12:30 PM, Richard J. Williams at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: anon_astute_ff wrote: If it is not available to non-initiates how would mahesh know this information? By getting himself initiated into the

[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report

2006-04-05 Thread brahmachari108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: anon_astute_ff wrote: If it is not available to non-initiates how would mahesh know this information? By getting himself

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report

2006-04-05 Thread Rick Archer
on 4/5/06 1:32 PM, anon_astute_ff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/5/06 12:30 PM, Richard J. Williams at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: anon_astute_ff wrote: If it is not available to non-initiates how would mahesh know

[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report

2006-04-05 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 5, 2006, at 12:36 PM, authfriend wrote: Just a rumor? Why, our Vaj just told us Maharishi was a leading suspect! Don't kill the messenger! Actually it was Sri Swami Rama, a student of Guru Dev's, who said

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama Speaks on Dealing with Terrorism[Shemp]

2006-04-05 Thread Jason Spock
I only wrote, what had happened. There is a subtle difference between the two words. jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 19:42:30 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama Speaks on Dealing with Terrorism[Shemp] "Suzerainty" is defined as 'overlordship',

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dalai Lama Speaks on Dealing with Terrorism[Shemp]

2006-04-05 Thread peterklutz
Suzerain 1. A nation that controls another nation in international affairs but allows it domestic sovereignty. 2. A feudal lord to whom fealty was due. Draw your own conclusions.. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I only wrote, what

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report

2006-04-05 Thread Bhairitu
Richard J. Williams wrote: So, you're saying that many other temples in India, not just Brahmanand's headquarters matha at Sringeri, practice a meditation similar to TM and that the use of some TM bija mantras is widespread. Vaj wrote: We've discussed your misconceptions on these

[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Insider's Report

2006-04-05 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 5, 2006, at 11:29 AM, sparaig wrote: It was a shock at the time. You're easily shocked since succession issues have been all the rage in religious and spiritual traditions since the dawn of history. It

[FairfieldLife] Re: Churning the Milk Ocean

2006-04-05 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: anon_astute_ff wrote: Interesting how people want to assume that Soma is current hallucinogens. Hallucinogen ingestion has existed since the beginning of plant cultivation. Apparently one of the first

[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-05 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: anon_astute_ff wrote: Who in the Holy Tradition would ever accept money for such? Most all Holy Traditions in India accept money for operational expenses. How do you think they build temples? I've seen

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