Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: All About the Fighting Ascetics of India
The issue stems from the recent decision of the Congress government to declare a lockout on the Jyotirmath premises in an apparent bid to oust Swami Vasudevanand, a move allegedly chalked out by Swami Swaroopanand.Soon after the lockout on February 16 this year, Swami Vasudevanand got a reprieve from a local court against the government’s decision. And on March 1, the control of the Jyotirpeeth was handed over to Swami Vasudevanand in the face of BJP’s agitation over the issue. Upping the ante, Swami Vasudevanand, who claims to be real Shankracharya of Jyotirmath Peeth, also filed an FIR against some followers of Swami Swroopanand accusing them of carrying out theft in the Peeth premises. Swami Vasudevanand claimed that he was the real Shankaracharya and that the recent decision of the local administration to declare a lockout at the Peeth was politically motivated. Read more: 'Jyotirmath Peeth: 3 Shankaracharyas enter into legal battle' Deccan Herald, Wednesday On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 7:05 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: In addition to being the 12th day of the 1st month, it is also MMY's birthday. Oh, okay, thanks. Then why is Share wishing everyone except MMY happy January 12? I thought you were supposed to wish the guy with the birthday this. FF has some interesting traditions I am, evidently, unfamiliar with. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Ok, Richard, thanks for clarifying and Happy January 12 to you and Rita. What is January 12th? On Sunday, January 12, 2014 9:05 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote: Let's put it this way: nobody here knows anything about the Shankaracharyas. The only member of this list that knows anything about the Shankaracharyas is Vaj, and he's no longer posting anything. On 1/12/2014 6:29 AM, Share Long wrote: ...did you see merudanda's chart?! He seems to know quite a lot about the situation. Are you questioning the accuracy of the info in the chart? Maybe I should rephrase what I wrote: Vaj isn't around any more to give us any insider information on the comings and goings of the Shankaracharyas of India. Apparently Vaj was over there and sat at the feet of the Shankaracharya of Sringeri. Several years ago I used to get some insider information when I frequented a nearby yoga camp at Barsana Dham, one of the largest Hindu temples outside India, and I would overhear gossip from some of the devotees over there. The resident Swami at Barsana was apparently a direct disciple of SBS and claimed to have once been offered the Jyotirmath seat. Go figure.
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So, let's review what we know about the Jyotirmath succession controversy: [image: Inline image 2] Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati, of Jyotirmath I've also pointed out previously that the mere possession of the Jyotirmath property in the succession dispute has no great bearing on who the real Shankaracharya is. If it were, Vasudevanand would prevail hands down, since he's in possession of most of the Jyotirmath property. In fact, it's a title that's at stake in the dispute. In this sense the dispute reaches a moot point because in fact there's no evidence that Shankara established any mathas at all - it's just a mythic tradition. So, if the devotees on the ground in India believe that Vasudevanand is a Shankaraycharya and revere him as such, and Vasudevanannd looks and acts like a Shankaracharya, and he is assumed to be the successor to SBS, and no material evidence is presented to the contrary, then Vasudevanand probably is the Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath. Go figure. On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 7:05 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: In addition to being the 12th day of the 1st month, it is also MMY's birthday. Oh, okay, thanks. Then why is Share wishing everyone except MMY happy January 12? I thought you were supposed to wish the guy with the birthday this. FF has some interesting traditions I am, evidently, unfamiliar with. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Ok, Richard, thanks for clarifying and Happy January 12 to you and Rita. What is January 12th? On Sunday, January 12, 2014 9:05 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote: Let's put it this way: nobody here knows anything about the Shankaracharyas. The only member of this list that knows anything about the Shankaracharyas is Vaj, and he's no longer posting anything. On 1/12/2014 6:29 AM, Share Long wrote: ...did you see merudanda's chart?! He seems to know quite a lot about the situation. Are you questioning the accuracy of the info in the chart? Maybe I should rephrase what I wrote: Vaj isn't around any more to give us any insider information on the comings and goings of the Shankaracharyas of India. Apparently Vaj was over there and sat at the feet of the Shankaracharya of Sringeri. Several years ago I used to get some insider information when I frequented a nearby yoga camp at Barsana Dham, one of the largest Hindu temples outside India, and I would overhear gossip from some of the devotees over there. The resident Swami at Barsana was apparently a direct disciple of SBS and claimed to have once been offered the Jyotirmath seat. Go figure.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Williams wrote: So, let's review what we know about the Jyotirmath succession controversy: [Inline image 2] Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati, of Jyotirmath Let's not. Instead, let's ask why a bunch of people who claim that the TM tradition they're part of is not religious are so interesting in the succession intrigues of a *purely* religious tradition in India. We might also ask why they perform traditional Hindu ceremonies called pujas to the leaders of this religious tradition, and consider themselves part of it when talking about their Holy Tradition. Interestingly enough, however, when presenting TM to the public, they keep repeating the not religious meme. Go figure.
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On 1/14/2014 9:23 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: */Instead, let's ask why a bunch of people who claim that the TM tradition they're part of is not religious are so interesting in the succession intrigues of a *purely* religious tradition in India. /* It looks like you and Buck are the only bunch of people that are interested in the comings-and-goings of the Indian Shankaracharyas. And, obviously you know nothing about them, except why I've posted to FFL. Apparently you don't read the Times of India. Go figure. Maybe you should stick to reading about the Cathars because this is way to over your head - you probably don't even understand that Advaita Vedanta isn't considered to be a religion. How can you have a religion with no God or Creator?
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Williams wrote: So, let's review what we know about the Jyotirmath succession controversy: Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati, of Jyotirmath Let's not. Instead, let's ask why a bunch of people who claim that the TM tradition they're part of is not religious are so interesting in the succession intrigues of a *purely* religious tradition in India. We might also ask why they perform traditional Hindu ceremonies called pujas to the leaders of this religious tradition, and consider themselves part of it when talking about their Holy Tradition. Interestingly enough, however, when presenting TM to the public, they keep repeating the not religious meme. Go figure. You make some interesting points but hasn't this ground been covered umpteen million times with this group over the last decade or so? While I can appreciate your perseverance I question your sanity.
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Richard, did you see merudanda's chart?! He seems to know quite a lot about the situation. Are you questioning the accuracy of the info in the chart? On Saturday, January 11, 2014 9:42 PM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: Let's put it this way: nobody here knows anything about the Shankaracharyas. The only member of this list that knows anything about the Shankaracharyas is Vaj, and he's no longer posting anything. All you need to know is that Swami Vasudevananda Saraswati is the successor to SBS at Jyotirmath and he is supported by the VHP. The other guy, the Swami Svarpanand, went over to another saint and Svarupanand is close to the Congress Party and Priyanka Gandhi. Go figure. On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 6:49 PM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: Dear Empty and FFL Moderators, Empty; your thunderbird quip here is an incredibly unkind slight of a fellow poster here likely in violence to the Yahoo-groups guidelines about unkindness on Yahoo-groups. Who could possibly want to reply to it? However, evidently there is some enmeshment with Hindoo-ism and the Shankaracharyas. First off of course Guru Dev was one of them. And, the pandits north of town here seem mighty Hindoo. But recently MahaRaja Nader Raam [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Nader ]did appeal to the judiciary of the Shankaracharya to assert his own primacy over a recentcoup d'état attempt by TM Mother Divine along with an Indian contingent. Our Shankaracharya evidently adjudicated the case to some kind of peace placing MahaRaja Nader Raam in primacy. We had a very nice birthday party last night for Nader Raam our MahaRaja and guru. He has been traveling holding satsanga and teaching with meditators. He brings the field effect of Love, Unification and Revitalization where ever he goes visiting with people. The effect of his presence is great spiritually and nourishing. Jai Brahmananda Saraswati, -Buck in the Dome emptybill... wrote: Apparently Thunderbird doesn't allow you to understand common English. So I'll repeat my question ... What is the position of the TMO towards the authority of the Shankaracharyas since the TMO is technically not a Hindoo organization? Does anyone on the list know the views of the Shankaracharyas? What about all the Western quasi-Hindus going to temples and doing Hindu stuff? The pandit and at the temple here accepted my status and performed pujas, rudra-abhishekas, agni-hotras and death rites for my wife as if I was a Hindu. However, I don’t know if the Shankaracharyas are equally accepting.
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Let's put it this way: nobody here knows anything about the Shankaracharyas. The only member of this list that knows anything about the Shankaracharyas is Vaj, and he's no longer posting anything. On 1/12/2014 6:29 AM, Share Long wrote: ...did you see merudanda's chart?! He seems to know quite a lot about the situation. Are you questioning the accuracy of the info in the chart? Maybe I should rephrase what I wrote: Vaj isn't around any more to give us any insider information on the comings and goings of the Shankaracharyas of India. Apparently Vaj was over there and sat at the feet of the Shankaracharya of Sringeri. Several years ago I used to get some insider information when I frequented a nearby yoga camp at Barsana Dham, one of the largest Hindu temples outside India, and I would overhear gossip from some of the devotees over there. The resident Swami at Barsana was apparently a direct disciple of SBS and claimed to have once been offered the Jyotirmath seat. Go figure.
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Ok, Richard, thanks for clarifying and Happy January 12 to you and Rita. On Sunday, January 12, 2014 9:05 AM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: Let's put it this way: nobody here knows anything about the Shankaracharyas. The only member of this list that knows anything about the Shankaracharyas is Vaj, and he's no longer posting anything. On 1/12/2014 6:29 AM, Share Long wrote: ...did you see merudanda's chart?! He seems to know quite a lot about the situation. Are you questioning the accuracy of the info in the chart? Maybe I should rephrase what I wrote: Vaj isn't around any more to give us any insider information on the comings and goings of the Shankaracharyas of India. Apparently Vaj was over there and sat at the feet of the Shankaracharya of Sringeri. Several years ago I used to get some insider information when I frequented a nearby yoga camp at Barsana Dham, one of the largest Hindu temples outside India, and I would overhear gossip from some of the devotees over there. The resident Swami at Barsana was apparently a direct disciple of SBS and claimed to have once been offered the Jyotirmath seat. Go figure.
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*The Fighting Ascetics of India* [image: Inline image 1] View looking north to Barsana from Radiance - Friday Mt on right Apparently, the Swami Prakashanand Saraswati gave Robert Kropinsky a 'letter of introduction' in order to get an audience with the Swami Swaroopanand at Guru Dev's birthday celebration in Vrindaban. In the Kropinsky interview Swami Swaroopanand does not deny the validity of Guru Dev's will. In fact, ...none of the civil suits in this dispute seems to have been framed in terms of contesting the legal standing of Brahmananda's will according to Mr. Sundaresan. So, lets sum up what we know: The Swaroopanand is opposed to the VHP. However it should be noted that both Swaroopanand and Prakashanand have gone over to other saints. Swaroopanand favors the Congress Party and is opposed to plans to turn India into a religious, fundamentalist Hindutva state. It is a fact that the Swami Swaroopanand and the Swami Prakashanand are no longer in the disciplic line of SBS, having gone over to adopt the teachings of other Saints, babas, and gurus. Swami Vasudevananda Saraswati is currently the *sole representative Guru Dev's lineage*, according to Vidyasankar Sundaresan. Vasudevananda was present at the appointment of a Mahamandaleswara of the Mahanirvani Akhada in 1995, according to Hinduism Today. There are probably only a few disciples of SBS still alive today, but what is important is what the *current* disciples in the SBS lineage have to say. There is some very distressing facts related to the Swami Prakashanand, a desciple of SBS. He is currently a fugitive from justice in the U.S. and has gone into hiding. According to Mr. Sundaresan, ...although he was initiated into Sannyasa by Brahmananda Saraswati, his personal religious philosophy is Acintya Bhedabheda, associated with Caitanya Mahaprabhu and Gaudiya Vaishnavas. This leads me to seriously suspect his claim of having been offered the Sankaracharya post. It is a fact that the Kashi Vidvat Parishad has attempted to place a political puppet on the Jyotirmath seat on at least two separate occasions after seating SBS - Swami Krishnabodha and Swami Swaroopanand. Mr. Sundaresan notes ...the Kashi Vidvat Parishad and the Akhila Bharatiya Dharmasangha have tried to exercise a right over Jyotirmath for the third time. There is another undisputed fact - neither Swaroopanand nor Prakashanand's name was listed in the will of SBS. In the case of the Shankaracharya it is the usual custom to follow the disciple succession. According to Mr. Sundaresan, ...once Swami Brahmananda Saraswati was accepted as the Jyotirmath Sankaracharya, and there were no serious disputes about it at the time, further activities of these other institutions with respect to succession issues could be construed as unnecessary interference. The Bharata Dharma Mahamandala, Kashi Vidvat Parishad, and the Akhila Bharatiya Dharmasangha were all present at the installation of SBS's successor, Swami Shantanand Saraswati. Shantanand was present at a number of TMO activities, the least not being the Saints Course at Ram Nagar, the ground-breaking of Shankaracharya Nagar at Rishikesh, and at the Maharishi Guru Poornima at Noida held in 1990. Work cited: The Jyotirmath Sankaracharya Lineage in the 20th Century by Vidyasankar Sundaresan - at the Indology Web Site: http://indology.info/papers/sundaresan/ On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 1:47 PM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.comwrote: *An attack by some naked Naga sadhus in Haridwar!* The last Kumbh festival of this century is over, but not the war between the Shankaracharyas of Jyotipeeth here. There are three of them claiming that seat, established by Adi Shankaracharya who, in the eighth century, walked all the way from his village Kalari, in Kerala, to the Himalayas to meditate under a mulberry tree here to obtain enlightenment, bring to an end through discourse the influence and control of Buddhism on the life of the Indian people and revive Hinduism. According to what I've read, India is just teeming with fighting ascetics. Go figure. During the Kumbh of 2002, on the big bathing day of March 28, Shankaracharya Swami Madhavashram was badly injured in an attack by some naked Naga sadhus in Haridwar. One of his followers reported the attack to the police and complained that it was provoked by a rival Shankaracharya, Swami Vasudevanand. A few days later Swami Vasudevanand applied for and obtained an anticipatory bail from the Allahabad High Court until the next month. Swami Madhavashram, whose body is in plaster and bandages, told Press persons that he had been receiving threatening phone calls from followers of the other two claimants to the seat. The callers had threatened to kill him soon, he added. Meanwhile, the people of Joshimath, where the high religious seat is located, have decided that the issue must not been resolved through attacks, but by a contest in religious discourse between them before
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Ok, Richard, thanks for clarifying and Happy January 12 to you and Rita. What is January 12th? On Sunday, January 12, 2014 9:05 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote: Let's put it this way: nobody here knows anything about the Shankaracharyas. The only member of this list that knows anything about the Shankaracharyas is Vaj, and he's no longer posting anything. On 1/12/2014 6:29 AM, Share Long wrote: ...did you see merudanda's chart?! He seems to know quite a lot about the situation. Are you questioning the accuracy of the info in the chart? Maybe I should rephrase what I wrote: Vaj isn't around any more to give us any insider information on the comings and goings of the Shankaracharyas of India. Apparently Vaj was over there and sat at the feet of the Shankaracharya of Sringeri. Several years ago I used to get some insider information when I frequented a nearby yoga camp at Barsana Dham, one of the largest Hindu temples outside India, and I would overhear gossip from some of the devotees over there. The resident Swami at Barsana was apparently a direct disciple of SBS and claimed to have once been offered the Jyotirmath seat. Go figure.
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In addition to being the 12th day of the 1st month, it is also MMY's birthday. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Ok, Richard, thanks for clarifying and Happy January 12 to you and Rita. What is January 12th? On Sunday, January 12, 2014 9:05 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote: Let's put it this way: nobody here knows anything about the Shankaracharyas. The only member of this list that knows anything about the Shankaracharyas is Vaj, and he's no longer posting anything. On 1/12/2014 6:29 AM, Share Long wrote: ...did you see merudanda's chart?! He seems to know quite a lot about the situation. Are you questioning the accuracy of the info in the chart? Maybe I should rephrase what I wrote: Vaj isn't around any more to give us any insider information on the comings and goings of the Shankaracharyas of India. Apparently Vaj was over there and sat at the feet of the Shankaracharya of Sringeri. Several years ago I used to get some insider information when I frequented a nearby yoga camp at Barsana Dham, one of the largest Hindu temples outside India, and I would overhear gossip from some of the devotees over there. The resident Swami at Barsana was apparently a direct disciple of SBS and claimed to have once been offered the Jyotirmath seat. Go figure.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: In addition to being the 12th day of the 1st month, it is also MMY's birthday. Oh, okay, thanks. Then why is Share wishing everyone except MMY happy January 12? I thought you were supposed to wish the guy with the birthday this. FF has some interesting traditions I am, evidently, unfamiliar with. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Ok, Richard, thanks for clarifying and Happy January 12 to you and Rita. What is January 12th? On Sunday, January 12, 2014 9:05 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote: Let's put it this way: nobody here knows anything about the Shankaracharyas. The only member of this list that knows anything about the Shankaracharyas is Vaj, and he's no longer posting anything. On 1/12/2014 6:29 AM, Share Long wrote: ...did you see merudanda's chart?! He seems to know quite a lot about the situation. Are you questioning the accuracy of the info in the chart? Maybe I should rephrase what I wrote: Vaj isn't around any more to give us any insider information on the comings and goings of the Shankaracharyas of India. Apparently Vaj was over there and sat at the feet of the Shankaracharya of Sringeri. Several years ago I used to get some insider information when I frequented a nearby yoga camp at Barsana Dham, one of the largest Hindu temples outside India, and I would overhear gossip from some of the devotees over there. The resident Swami at Barsana was apparently a direct disciple of SBS and claimed to have once been offered the Jyotirmath seat. Go figure.
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Really, Maharishi's meditators should be at the next Shankaracharya peace-conference between all these upstarts and contenders to bring some bonafide spiritual coherence to things there. The whole thing is a joke if we are not included. -Buck of the Dome ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: On 1/10/2014 6:22 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: if the will wasn't contested, where the hell do you think the other contenders came from? The SBS will wasn't contested in a court of law. Swami Vasudevananda Saraswati is currently the *sole representative Guru Dev's lineage*, according to Sundaresan. In the case of the Shakaracharya it is the usual custom to follow the disciplic succession: ...once Swami Brahmananda Saraswati was accepted as the Jyotirmath Sankaracharya, and there were no serious disputes about it at the time, further activities of these other institutions with respect to succession issues could be construed as unnecessary interference. Work cited: Jyotirmath Sankaracharya Lineage in the 20th Century by Vidyasankar Sundaresan http://indology.info/papers/sundaresan/ http://indology.info/papers/sundaresan/ PASSED ON: Senior, retired, Shankaracharya of Jyotir Peeth, Swami Shantanand Saraswati Ji Maharaj, age ninety, on December 7, 1997, in Allahabad, India. Senior leaders of the VHP participated in final rites. Swami became Shankaracharya in 1953 after the death of his guru, Brahmanand Saraswati. Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati is his successor... Hinduism Today March 1998
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Really, Maharishi's meditators should be at the next Shankaracharya peace-conference between all these upstarts and contenders to bring some bonafide spiritual coherence to things there. You mean like the bonafide spiritual coherence demonstrated by long-term Maharishi meditators on FFL, and that you bitch about nonstop at MUM and in Fairfield? Yup, that should do the trick.
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So bring it up with Bevan and see how receptive his is on the idea. On Sat, 1/11/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: All About the Fighting Ascetics of India To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 11, 2014, 11:43 AM Really, Maharishi's meditators should be at the next Shankaracharya peace-conference between all these upstarts and contenders to bring some bonafide spiritual coherence to things there. The whole thing is a joke if we are not included. -Buck of the Dome ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: On 1/10/2014 6:22 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: if the will wasn't contested, where the hell do you think the other contenders came from? The SBS will wasn't contested in a court of law. Swami Vasudevananda Saraswati is currently the *sole representative Guru Dev's lineage*, according to Sundaresan. In the case of the Shakaracharya it is the usual custom to follow the disciplic succession: ...once Swami Brahmananda Saraswati was accepted as the Jyotirmath Sankaracharya, and there were no serious disputes about it at the time, further activities of these other institutions with respect to succession issues could be construed as unnecessary interference. Work cited: Jyotirmath Sankaracharya Lineage in the 20th Century by Vidyasankar Sundaresan http://indology.info/papers/sundaresan/ PASSED ON: Senior, retired, Shankaracharya of Jyotir Peeth, Swami Shantanand Saraswati Ji Maharaj, age ninety, on December 7, 1997, in Allahabad, India. Senior leaders of the VHP participated in final rites. Swami became Shankaracharya in 1953 after the death of his guru, Brahmanand Saraswati. Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati is his successor... Hinduism Today March 1998
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On 1/11/2014 6:11 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: So bring it up with Bevan and see how receptive his is on the idea. It looks like MJ didn't get the memo about including the quotes in his reply. Go figure.
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Yep, you know, send a team of TM meditators, a deputation who hold current Dome Badges to represent Maharishi and Brahmananda Saraswati in the Shankaracharya Peace- proceedings. Really, Maharishi's meditators should be at the next Shankaracharya peace-conference between all these upstarts and contenders to bring some bonafide spiritual coherence to things there. The whole thing is a joke if we are not included. -Buck of the Dome if the will wasn't contested, where the hell do you think the other contenders came from? The SBS will wasn't contested in a court of law. Swami Vasudevananda Saraswati is currently the *sole representative Guru Dev's lineage*, according to Sundaresan. In the case of the Shakaracharya it is the usual custom to follow the disciplic succession: ...once Swami Brahmananda Saraswati was accepted as the Jyotirmath Sankaracharya, and there were no serious disputes about it at the time, further activities of these other institutions with respect to succession issues could be construed as unnecessary interference. Work cited: Jyotirmath Sankaracharya Lineage in the 20th Century by Vidyasankar Sundaresan http://indology.info/papers/sundaresan/ http://indology.info/papers/sundaresan/ PASSED ON: Senior, retired, Shankaracharya of Jyotir Peeth, Swami Shantanand Saraswati Ji Maharaj, age ninety, on December 7, 1997, in Allahabad, India. Senior leaders of the VHP participated in final rites. Swami became Shankaracharya in 1953 after the death of his guru, Brahmanand Saraswati. Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati is his successor... Hinduism Today March 1998
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Om, does Nandkishore have any traction in the vacuum of Girish Varma being jailed? “Nandkishore Brahmachari, the yogi's closest assistant” http://minet.org/www.trancenet.net/news/weekly/rnandkishore.shtml http://minet.org/www.trancenet.net/news/weekly/rnandkishore.shtml Is it time to bring back an old war-horse? So, does our TM Shankaracharya of Jyotirmaṭha: Vāsudevānanda Sarasvatī have a controlling hand or thumb over any of the Estate of our Maharishiji in India? And, the character of this guy? Does he give darshan or just sit in the chair? Is he scholarly and can give Satsanga? Can teach and advise technique? A Sat Guru kind of saint? What is he really like? Is he actually spiritual or was he just put in the job by Maharishi? I hear from travelers the guy is a grump. Who runs TM in India if Girish Varma either stays in jail or is put on administrative leave from TM? Does this Vāsudevānanda Sarasvatī guy's Shankaracharya organization get it to run or put someone in charge of the bank accounts and properties? With integrity? Will the Times of India report on this? Transcendental Meditators everywhere want to know these things? -Buck ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda wrote: Girish Chandra Varma, has been shifted to jail hospital Phopal, India because of diabetic (he is a diabetic and takes insulin) and high blood pressure (his car will be examined for rape evidence). :-)
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He did, actually. Click on Show Message History and you'll see what he was responding to. You, on the other hand, didn't click on the three dots when you wrote your post, so all of what Michael had quoted in his post is gone from this one. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: On 1/11/2014 6:11 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: So bring it up with Bevan and see how receptive his is on the idea. It looks like MJ didn't get the memo about including the quotes in his reply. Go figure.
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Nandkishore, does he give satsanga? Girish Varma seems to have an ashram for himself, that presumably our TM money built? Is Nandkishore teaching otherwise? Om, does Nandkishore have any traction in the vacuum of Girish Varma being jailed? “Nandkishore Brahmachari, the yogi's closest assistant” http://minet.org/www.trancenet.net/news/weekly/rnandkishore.shtml http://minet.org/www.trancenet.net/news/weekly/rnandkishore.shtml Is it time to bring back an old war-horse? So, does our TM Shankaracharya of Jyotirmaṭha: Vāsudevānanda Sarasvatī have a controlling hand or thumb over any of the Estate of our Maharishiji in India? And, the character of this guy? Does he give darshan or just sit in the chair? Is he scholarly and can give Satsanga? Can teach and advise technique? A Sat Guru kind of saint? What is he really like? Is he actually spiritual or was he just put in the job by Maharishi? I hear from travelers the guy is a grump. Who runs TM in India if Girish Varma either stays in jail or is put on administrative leave from TM? Does this Vāsudevānanda Sarasvatī guy's Shankaracharya organization get it to run or put someone in charge of the bank accounts and properties? With integrity? Will the Times of India report on this? Transcendental Meditators everywhere want to know these things? -Buck ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda wrote: Girish Chandra Varma, has been shifted to jail hospital Phopal, India because of diabetic (he is a diabetic and takes insulin) and high blood pressure (his car will be examined for rape evidence). :-)
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I use the old version of yahoo, rather than the newer version and I no longer visit the FFL yahoo group page - all the posts come to me via the yahoo mail, and the old version automatically includes the message I am replying to. On Sat, 1/11/14, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: All About the Fighting Ascetics of India To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 11, 2014, 3:27 PM He did, actually. Click on Show Message History and you'll see what he was responding to. You, on the other hand, didn't click on the three dots when you wrote your post, so all of what Michael had quoted in his post is gone from this one. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: On 1/11/2014 6:11 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: So bring it up with Bevan and see how receptive his is on the idea. It looks like MJ didn't get the memo about including the quotes in his reply. Go figure.
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The Shankaracharyas are Hindu authorities - sort of like four (4) pontiffs among the smarta-s. What is the position of the TMO towards the authority of the Shankaracharyas since the TMO is technically not a Hindoo organization? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Nandkishore, does he give satsanga? Girish Varma seems to have an ashram for himself, that presumably our TM money built? Is Nandkishore teaching otherwise? Om, does Nandkishore have any traction in the vacuum of Girish Varma being jailed? “Nandkishore Brahmachari, the yogi's closest assistant” http://minet.org/www.trancenet.net/news/weekly/rnandkishore.shtml http://minet.org/www.trancenet.net/news/weekly/rnandkishore.shtml Is it time to bring back an old war-horse? So, does our TM Shankaracharya of Jyotirmaṭha: Vāsudevānanda Sarasvatī have a controlling hand or thumb over any of the Estate of our Maharishiji in India? And, the character of this guy? Does he give darshan or just sit in the chair? Is he scholarly and can give Satsanga? Can teach and advise technique? A Sat Guru kind of saint? What is he really like? Is he actually spiritual or was he just put in the job by Maharishi? I hear from travelers the guy is a grump. Who runs TM in India if Girish Varma either stays in jail or is put on administrative leave from TM? Does this Vāsudevānanda Sarasvatī guy's Shankaracharya organization get it to run or put someone in charge of the bank accounts and properties? With integrity? Will the Times of India report on this? Transcendental Meditators everywhere want to know these things? -Buck ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda wrote: Girish Chandra Varma, has been shifted to jail hospital Phopal, India because of diabetic (he is a diabetic and takes insulin) and high blood pressure (his car will be examined for rape evidence). :-)
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On 1/11/2014 9:27 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: He did, actually. Click on Show Message History and you'll see what he was responding to. Apparently MJ didn't get my memo about including quotes with his replies. Let's review the internet protocol: 1. Use right angle brackets to indicate quoted text. 2. Avoid using text wrapping, use breaks instead. 3. Snip the portion of the message that is not relevant to your reply. You, on the other hand, didn't click on the three dots when you wrote your post, so all of what Michael had quoted in his post is gone from this one. You, on the other hand, apparently didn't get my memo that I'm using Mozilla Thunderbird as a news reader. So, all the messages I send and receive are all lined up sequentially for easy reading. For God's sake, stop including the entire message history with every post. Learn to snip people! See if you can read this: get out of Yahoo NEO.
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On 1/11/2014 10:45 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: I use the old version of yahoo, rather than the newer version and I no longer visit the FFL yahoo group page - all the posts come to me via the yahoo mail, and the old version automatically includes the message I am replying to. See if you can read this: get out of Yahoo Mail, it's an antique.
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On 1/11/2014 1:13 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote: The Shankaracharyas are Hindu authorities - sort of like four (4) pontiffs among the smarta-s. What is the position of the TMO towards the authority of the Shankaracharyas since the TMO is technically not a Hindoo organization? All the Shankaracharya peeths are controlled by either the VHP or the Congress Party in India.
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On 1/11/2014 8:31 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: does Nandkishore have any traction in the vacuum of Girish Varma being jailed? According to my sources. Nandikishore fully supports the VHP and the Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati. In an interview with Robert Kropinsky the Swami Swaroopanand has stated that Guru Dev left a will which clearly specified the names of those individuals who were to assume the title and responsibilities of Shankaracharya after the passing of SBS. The will specified that Swami Shantanand was to succeed to the seat of the Shankaracharya of the North. http://minet.org/Documents/shank-5
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Apparently Thunderbird doesn't allow you to understand common English. So I'll repeat my question ... What is the position of the TMO towards the authority of the Shankaracharyas since the TMO is technically not a Hindoo organization? Does anyone on the list know the views of the Shankaracharyas? What about all the Western quasi-Hindus going to temples and doing Hindu stuff? The pandit and at the temple here accepted my status and performed pujas, rudra-abhishekas, agni-hotras and death rites for my wife as if I was a Hindu. However, I don’t know if the Shankaracharyas are equally accepting.
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On 1/11/2014 7:52 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: ...send a team of TM meditators, a deputation who hold current Dome Badges to represent Maharishi and Brahmananda Saraswati in the Shankaracharya Peace- proceedings. http://www.indiamike.com/india-images/pictures/maharishi-mahesh-yogis-ashram-beatles-1 The Bharata Dharma Mahamandala, Kashi Vidvat Parishad, and the Akhila Bharatiya Dharmasangha were all present at the installation of Guru Dev's successor, Shree Swami Shantanand Saraswati. According to The Times of India, Shantanand was installed with all due pomp and ceremony. Apparently, Shantanand meditated for over an hour in a public reception. Subsequently, Shantanand was present at a number of TMO activities, the least not being the Saints Course at Ram Nagar, the ground-breaking of Shankaracharya Nagar at Rishikesh, and at the Maharishi Guru Poornima at Noida held in 1990.
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Dear Empty and FFL Moderators, Empty; your thunderbird quip here is an incredibly unkind slight of a fellow poster here likely in violence to the Yahoo-groups guidelines about unkindness on Yahoo-groups. Who could possibly want to reply to it? However, evidently there is some enmeshment with Hindoo-ism and the Shankaracharyas. First off of course Guru Dev was one of them. And, the pandits north of town here seem mighty Hindoo. But recently MahaRaja Nader Raam [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Nader http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Nader ] did appeal to the judiciary of the Shankaracharya to assert his own primacy over a recent coup d'état attempt by TM Mother Divine along with an Indian contingent. Our Shankaracharya evidently adjudicated the case to some kind of peace placing MahaRaja Nader Raam in primacy. We had a very nice birthday party last night for Nader Raam our MahaRaja and guru. He has been traveling holding satsanga and teaching with meditators. He brings the field effect of Love, Unification and Revitalization where ever he goes visiting with people. The effect of his presence is great spiritually and nourishing. Jai Brahmananda Saraswati, -Buck in the Dome emptybill... wrote: Apparently Thunderbird doesn't allow you to understand common English. So I'll repeat my question ... What is the position of the TMO towards the authority of the Shankaracharyas since the TMO is technically not a Hindoo organization? Does anyone on the list know the views of the Shankaracharyas? What about all the Western quasi-Hindus going to temples and doing Hindu stuff? The pandit and at the temple here accepted my status and performed pujas, rudra-abhishekas, agni-hotras and death rites for my wife as if I was a Hindu. However, I don’t know if the Shankaracharyas are equally accepting.
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Let's put it this way: nobody here knows anything about the Shankaracharyas. The only member of this list that knows anything about the Shankaracharyas is Vaj, and he's no longer posting anything. All you need to know is that Swami Vasudevananda Saraswati is the successor to SBS at Jyotirmath and he is supported by the VHP. The other guy, the Swami Svarpanand, went over to another saint and Svarupanand is close to the Congress Party and Priyanka Gandhi. Go figure. On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 6:49 PM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: Dear Empty and FFL Moderators, Empty; your thunderbird quip here is an incredibly unkind slight of a fellow poster here likely in violence to the Yahoo-groups guidelines about unkindness on Yahoo-groups. Who could possibly want to reply to it? However, evidently there is some enmeshment with Hindoo-ism and the Shankaracharyas. First off of course Guru Dev was one of them. And, the pandits north of town here seem mighty Hindoo. But recently MahaRaja Nader Raam [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Nader ] did appeal to the judiciary of the Shankaracharya to assert his own primacy over a recentcoup d'état attempt by TM Mother Divine along with an Indian contingent. Our Shankaracharya evidently adjudicated the case to some kind of peace placing MahaRaja Nader Raam in primacy. We had a very nice birthday party last night for Nader Raam our MahaRaja and guru. He has been traveling holding satsanga and teaching with meditators. He brings the field effect of Love, Unification and Revitalization where ever he goes visiting with people. The effect of his presence is great spiritually and nourishing. Jai Brahmananda Saraswati, -Buck in the Dome emptybill... wrote: Apparently Thunderbird doesn't allow you to understand common English. So I'll repeat my question ... What is the position of the TMO towards the authority of the Shankaracharyas since the TMO is technically not a Hindoo organization? Does anyone on the list know the views of the Shankaracharyas? What about all the Western quasi-Hindus going to temples and doing Hindu stuff? The pandit and at the temple here accepted my status and performed pujas, rudra-abhishekas, agni-hotras and death rites for my wife as if I was a Hindu. However, I don’t know if the Shankaracharyas are equally accepting.
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All of these standard of credentialing should come down to be of use in selecting the next Shankaracharya and the next too. Everyone else should step aside. We got to have standards and not just have any jack-ass sitting on that seat. Like, what is the Holy Tradition coming to, Girish Varma? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck. wrote: It is time to modernize this Math fragmentation. The committee should chose Shankaracharyas on the basis of modern standards of neurophysiology at the least. Then also as there is a face value of enough cultivated shakti as like saints of old as real luminaries were and then certainly too they should have scholarly credentials enough to profess the Knowledge properly in context. Modern Shanks proly should pass a board certification exam too as to their proficiency in the traditional scriptural literature, to also be objective. At least an oral exam if they can't read or write. Shankara and Brahmananda Saraswati Guru Dev had these resplendent when they held the Joytirmath. -Buck --- merudanda wrote: Correction even earlier: What you are quoting is from Wednesday, October 7, 1998 to be precise!see: http://expressindia.indianexpress.com/ie/daily/19981007/28050544.html http://expressindia.indianexpress.com/ie/daily/19981007/28050544.html http://expressindia.indianexpress.com/ie/daily/19981007/28050544.html BTW The background of the whole thing of meeting suggestion was about one Sannyasin named Adhokshajananda Tirtha, who called himself the Sankaracharya of Puri and seems to were an attempt to resolve the Jyotirmath dispute by removing Swarupananda, Vasudevananda and Madhava Asrama from the seat . And thereby to have had no other purpose than 1. to create doubt regarding Niscalananda's title at Puri, 2. thereby strengthening his own claim being the Puri Sankaracharya Hope this helps... See further my prev. post about Indian media. GOOD MORNING -GOOD NIGHT ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: My dear B.i.D. please allow me to smile a little and ask you do hold your non-existing horses- missionary horses you do not have. Have you taken Bhairitus warning into account, too? BTW:What meeting are you talking about? From where and from whom you got that information? What you are quoting is from 2004 !see: http://expressindia.indianexpress.com/ie/daily/19981007/28050544.html http://expressindia.indianexpress.com/ie/daily/19981007/28050544.html [Yes, 2004 came from RJ Das's post, errant no doubt. Should be different] Checking you weather in Fairfield 22-23°F I do certainly have empathy with your desire to go to warm and sunny India for awhile. How about make a hospital visit to Phopal lndia its 83°F there and sunny. Girish Chandra Varma, has been shifted to jail hospital Phopal, India because of diabetic (he is a diabetic and takes insulin) and high blood pressure (his car will be examined for rape evidence). Prisoner's Hospital is on Jail Road, Jahangirabad Bhopal, Madhya Pradesh(little forest-cool and peaceful), opposite the Motilal Nehru Stadium Jahangirabad. Close by there is the Madhya Pradesh Tourism's Boat Club on the Upper lake not so far from the prison which provides facilities for exciting trips by sail, paddle and motorboats. M.P.Police do have a Horse Riding School and not to forget to visit the Nidaan Riding Club its one of the oldest riding club in Central India Bon voyage, Bon voyage, you and your delegation of the long-term spiritually experienced Maharishi and Brahmananda Saraswati tradition meditators of the Holy Tradition from Fairfield, Iowa. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Yes absolutely, to add real spiritual coherence and depth to matters of adjudicating this confliction they really ought to receive a delegation of the long-term spiritually experienced Maharishi and Brahmananda Saraswati tradition meditators of the Holy Tradition from Fairfield, Iowa. The crucial meeting is scheduled to be held at Ahmedabad in February next. snip
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I am concerned about Girish Varma, Will he not make it in person to the Jan 12th celebration? merudanda wrote: Girish Chandra Varma, has been shifted to jail hospital Phopal, India because of diabetic (he is a diabetic and takes insulin) and high blood pressure (his car will be examined for rape evidence). Prisoner's Hospital is on Jail Road, Jahangirabad Bhopal, Madhya Pradesh(little forest-cool and peaceful), opposite the Motilal Nehru Stadium Jahangirabad. Close by there is the Madhya Pradesh Tourism's Boat Club on the Upper lake not so far from the prison which provides facilities for exciting trips by sail, paddle and motorboats. M.P.Police do have a Horse Riding School and not to forget to visit the Nidaan Riding Club its one of the oldest riding club in Central India All of these standard of credentialing should come down to be of use in selecting the next Shankaracharya and the next too. Everyone else should step aside. We got to have standards and not just have any jack-ass sitting on that seat. Like, what is the Holy Tradition coming to, Girish Varma? It is time to modernize this Math fragmentation. The committee should chose Shankaracharyas on the basis of modern standards of neurophysiology at the least. Then also as there is a face value of enough cultivated shakti as like saints of old as real luminaries were and then certainly too they should have scholarly credentials enough to profess the Knowledge properly in context. Modern Shanks proly should pass a board certification exam too as to their proficiency in the traditional scriptural literature, to also be objective. At least an oral exam if they can't read or write. Shankara and Brahmananda Saraswati Guru Dev had these resplendent when they held the Joytirmath. -Buck --- merudanda wrote: Correction even earlier: What you are quoting is from Wednesday, October 7, 1998 to be precise!see: http://expressindia.indianexpress.com/ie/daily/19981007/28050544.html http://expressindia.indianexpress.com/ie/daily/19981007/28050544.html http://expressindia.indianexpress.com/ie/daily/19981007/28050544.html BTW The background of the whole thing of meeting suggestion was about one Sannyasin named Adhokshajananda Tirtha, who called himself the Sankaracharya of Puri and seems to were an attempt to resolve the Jyotirmath dispute by removing Swarupananda, Vasudevananda and Madhava Asrama from the seat . And thereby to have had no other purpose than 1. to create doubt regarding Niscalananda's title at Puri, 2. thereby strengthening his own claim being the Puri Sankaracharya Hope this helps... See further my prev. post about Indian media. GOOD MORNING -GOOD NIGHT My dear B.i.D. please allow me to smile a little and ask you do hold your non-existing horses- missionary horses you do not have. Have you taken Bhairitus warning into account, too? BTW:What meeting are you talking about? From where and from whom you got that information? What you are quoting is from 2004 !see: http://expressindia.indianexpress.com/ie/daily/19981007/28050544.html http://expressindia.indianexpress.com/ie/daily/19981007/28050544.html [Yes, 2004 came from RJ Das's post, errant no doubt. Should be different] Checking you weather in Fairfield 22-23°F I do certainly have empathy with your desire to go to warm and sunny India for awhile. How about make a hospital visit to Phopal lndia its 83°F there and sunny. Girish Chandra Varma, has been shifted to jail hospital Phopal, India because of diabetic (he is a diabetic and takes insulin) and high blood pressure (his car will be examined for rape evidence). Prisoner's Hospital is on Jail Road, Jahangirabad Bhopal, Madhya Pradesh(little forest-cool and peaceful), opposite the Motilal Nehru Stadium Jahangirabad. Close by there is the Madhya Pradesh Tourism's Boat Club on the Upper lake not so far from the prison which provides facilities for exciting trips by sail, paddle and motorboats. M.P.Police do have a Horse Riding School and not to forget to visit the Nidaan Riding Club its one of the oldest riding club in Central India Bon voyage, Bon voyage, you and your delegation of the long-term spiritually experienced Maharishi and Brahmananda Saraswati tradition meditators of the Holy Tradition from Fairfield, Iowa. Yes absolutely, to add real spiritual coherence and depth to matters of adjudicating this confliction they really ought to receive a delegation of the long-term spiritually experienced Maharishi and Brahmananda Saraswati tradition meditators of the Holy Tradition from Fairfield, Iowa. The crucial meeting is scheduled to be held at Ahmedabad in February next. snip
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda wrote: Girish Chandra Varma, has been shifted to jail hospital Phopal, India because of diabetic (he is a diabetic and takes insulin) and high blood pressure (his car will be examined for rape evidence). [https://scontent-a-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/q71/1391622_6202250213\ 62406_1259402030_n.jpg] :-)
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So, does our TM Shankaracharya of Jyotirmaṭha: Vāsudevānanda Sarasvatī have a controlling hand or thumb over any of the Estate of our Maharishiji in India? And, the character of this guy? Does he give darshan or just sit in the chair? Is he scholarly and can give Satsanga? Can teach and advise technique? A Sat Guru kind of saint? What is he really like? Is he actually spiritual or was he just put in the job by Maharishi? I hear from travelers the guy is a grump. Who runs TM in India if Girish Varma either stays in jail or is put on administrative leave from TM? Does this Vāsudevānanda Sarasvatī guy's Shankaracharya organization get it to run or put someone in charge of the bank accounts and properties? With integrity? Will the Times of India report on this? Transcendental Meditators everywhere want to know these things? -Buck ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda wrote: Girish Chandra Varma, has been shifted to jail hospital Phopal, India because of diabetic (he is a diabetic and takes insulin) and high blood pressure (his car will be examined for rape evidence). :-)
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On 1/2/2014 11:05 AM, Bhairitu wrote: TM is a joke compared to the centuries long tradition and knowledge of the Shakaracharya tradition. Actually when you think about it, MMY's TMO which gave rise to the Deepakage and the Sri Sri, makes MMY style meditation worldwide look like a towering mountain compared to a small ant hill - the local Shankaracharya tradition in India. Millions of people worldwide read Deepak's books, millions of people worldwide meditate like Sri Sri or MMY. But, hardly anyone, anywhere, even take the Shankaracharya tradition in India seriously or less than a joke. You got almost everything backwards this time. Go figure.
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Both Marshy and the current contenders for the Shankaracharya throne fucked up what could have been a good thing - as Buck's other master supposedly said By their fruits you shall know them. On Fri, 1/10/14, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: All About the Fighting Ascetics of India To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 10, 2014, 4:14 PM On 1/2/2014 11:05 AM, Bhairitu wrote: TM is a joke compared to the centuries long tradition and knowledge of the Shakaracharya tradition. Actually when you think about it, MMY's TMO which gave rise to the Deepakage and the Sri Sri, makes MMY style meditation worldwide look like a towering mountain compared to a small ant hill - the local Shankaracharya tradition in India. Millions of people worldwide read Deepak's books, millions of people worldwide meditate like Sri Sri or MMY. But, hardly anyone, anywhere, even take the Shankaracharya tradition in India seriously or less than a joke. You got almost everything backwards this time. Go figure.
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On 1/10/2014 11:51 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: Both Marshy and the current contenders for the Shankaracharya throne fucked up what could have been a good thing The Jyotirmath seat was specified in a will left by SBS. The will of SBS was not disputed. The VHP fully supported Guru Dev's successor Swami Shantanada Saraswati as the Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath. In an interview with Robert Kropinsky the Swami Svarupanand has stated that Guru Dev left a will which clearly specified the names of those individuals who were to assume the title and responsibilities of Shankaracharya after Guru Dev's death. The will specifed that Swami Shantanand was to succeed to the seat of the Shankaracharya of the North. According to Hinduism Today, Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati is the Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath A Visit to the Shankaracharya, Part V: http://minet.org/Documents/shank-5
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On 1/10/2014 10:02 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: So, does our TM Shankaracharya of Jyotirmatha: Vasudevananda Sarasvati have a controlling hand or thumb over any of the Estate of our Maharishiji in India? According to what I've read, Swami Vasudevanand Sarswati fully supports MMY's programs in India. Earlier on Thursday, it was the peshwai of Shankarcharya of Jyotish Peeth, Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati, which became a truly colossal event judging by all standards given the dominating presence of sadhus, Mahamandaleshwars, Nagas and Dandi swamis clad in saffron holding the dharma dhwaj marching in unison from the abode of Shankaracharya of Jyotish Peeth, Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati in Alopi Bagh. 'Saints cheer, devotees chant, Sangam echoes' Times of India, January 5, 2013 http://tinyurl.com/amfcc57
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you're an idiot - if the will wasn't contested, where the hell do you think the other contenders came from? They popped up right after GD kicked the bucket On Fri, 1/10/14, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: All About the Fighting Ascetics of India To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 10, 2014, 10:35 PM On 1/10/2014 11:51 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: Both Marshy and the current contenders for the Shankaracharya throne fucked up what could have been a good thing The Jyotirmath seat was specified in a will left by SBS. The will of SBS was not disputed. The VHP fully supported Guru Dev's successor Swami Shantanada Saraswati as the Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath. In an interview with Robert Kropinsky the Swami Svarupanand has stated that Guru Dev left a will which clearly specified the names of those individuals who were to assume the title and responsibilities of Shankaracharya after Guru Dev's death. The will specifed that Swami Shantanand was to succeed to the seat of the Shankaracharya of the North. According to Hinduism Today, Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati is the Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath A Visit to the Shankaracharya, Part V: http://minet.org/Documents/shank-5
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On 1/10/2014 6:22 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: if the will wasn't contested, where the hell do you think the other contenders came from? The SBS will wasn't contested in a court of law. Swami Vasudevananda Saraswati is currently the *sole representative Guru Dev's lineage*, according to Sundaresan. In the case of the Shakaracharya it is the usual custom to follow the disciplic succession: ...once Swami Brahmananda Saraswati was accepted as the Jyotirmath Sankaracharya, and there were no serious disputes about it at the time, further activities of these other institutions with respect to succession issues could be construed as unnecessary interference. Work cited: Jyotirmath Sankaracharya Lineage in the 20th Century by Vidyasankar Sundaresan http://indology.info/papers/sundaresan/ PASSED ON: Senior, retired, Shankaracharya of Jyotir Peeth, Swami Shantanand Saraswati Ji Maharaj, age ninety, on December 7, 1997, in Allahabad, India. Senior leaders of the VHP participated in final rites. Swami became Shankaracharya in 1953 after the death of his guru, Brahmanand Saraswati. Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati is his successor... Hinduism Today March 1998
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Just checking on bullet feature function! Interesting, isn't? In the online view there are no bullet to see-makes the text confusing, unclear. in the online-edit feature bullets are easy to see, text lucid, clear, disposed let'see: But humanly interesting, complex with its relation to Gurus / ŚhaNkarācāryas appointments and list of will (the right to choose his successor from among his disciples) Acknowledged(suggestion) by the other ŚhaNkarācāryas Involvement of two bodies external to JyotirmaTha proper:Kāśī Vidvat PariSad and the Akhila Bhāratīya DharmasaNgha (were key factor in reviving the Jyotirmayha in the year 1941) The role of royalty and coronation of a Śaṅkarācārya as the head of a maTha called paTTābhiṣeka: age-old brahma-kSatra relationships. The role and interrelationship of Indian political parties and institution(incl. international)VHP,Congress party,RSS ,Hindutva organizations etc, Brahmin vs non-Brahmin (sansritization movement) http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/266312/Hinduism/8975/Other-sources-the-process-of-Sanskritization http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/266312/Hinduism/8975/Other-sources-the-process-of-Sanskritization The rhetoric about ascetic as an atyāśramin (one who is beyond all āśramas)and esp.concrete written qualifications described in the Mahānuśāsana texts, etc are indeed reflected in Indian media... and now the contact address for inquiring ,restless mind: To calm your investigating mind -just contact and ask: Sri Sankaracharya Math, Joshimath, Badrinath, Uttar Pradesh 246 443, INDIA. Swami Vasudevananda Saraswati: Shankar Math, Allope Bagh, Allahabad, Uttar Pradesh 211 001, INDIA Swami Swaroopananda Saraswati: Sri Rajarajeswari Mandir, Paramhansi Ganga, Jabalpur, Madhya Pradesh 482 002, INDIA. Swami Madhavashrama: Sri Keshav Ashram, Haridwar, Uttar Pradesh 249 401, INDIA ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: The history and presence (as well as it's future)of Jyotirmatha (including involvement of the heads of the four and other monasteries of the Daśanāmī orders to be known as Śaṅkarācāryas, in honor of its founder)was and is extremely complicated .But humanly interesting, complex with its relation to Gurus / ŚhaNkarācāryas appointments and list of will (the right to choose his successor from among his disciples) Acknowledged(suggestion) by the other ŚhaNkarācāryas Involvement of two bodies external to JyotirmaTha proper:Kāśī Vidvat PariSad and the Akhila Bhāratīya DharmasaNgha (were key factor in reviving the Jyotirmayha in the year 1941) The role of royalty and coronation of a Śaṅkarācārya as the head of a maTha called paTTābhiṣeka: age-old brahma-kSatra relationships. The role and interrelationship of Indian political parties and institution(incl. international)VHP,Congress party,RSS ,Hindutva organizations etc, Brahmin vs non-Brahmin (sansritization movement) http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/266312/Hinduism/8975/Other-sources-the-process-of-Sanskritization http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/266312/Hinduism/8975/Other-sources-the-process-of-Sanskritization The rhetoric about ascetic as an atyāśramin (one who is beyond all āśramas)and esp.concrete written qualifications described in the Mahānuśāsana texts, etc are, as you mention correct dear B.i.D-transgressing the Dome and the west of the Des Moines River-, yes all o.m. angle are indeed reflected in Indian media with its dependencies, called bias etc, and international media with itsuh...need of headlines. . If times allows and there are genuine interest will dig up my fond memories of ,here at FFL almost forgotten, charming Svami Satyananda. He, being once a part-time secretaryof Svāmī Brahmānanda Sarasvatī , gave a little glimpse about this o.m. in the time of a visit where now -but not then merudanda -santa grantor being his always-huge ice-cream delivery boy-servant, shower door guard and tour guide. My role as his student was ( -question the philosophically impossibility of naturalness and effortlessness per se-) shortlived due the protesting TM -er blissies. Ahhh fond memeories. Svami Satyanand here with the Maharishi and then Shankaracharya of JyothirMatha, Swami Vishnudevananda Saraswati.1980 on the Kumbha Mela in Haridwar, 20 Km south from Rishikeh on the river Ganges Picture taken by my dear too early gone and missed friend Dr. Frank Papentin , plublished in Darshan. Dreimal Indien mit/Three Times India with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi The question if Girish Varma ,probl. non-Brahmin, as a sansritizated Brahmachary being part of Shankarachary's order or not and if Swami Vasudevananda Saraswati can him remove from position and status are certainly interesting question. To calm your investigating mind -just contact and ask: Sri Sankaracharya Math, Joshimath, Badrinath, Uttar Pradesh 246 443, INDIA. Swami Vasudevananda Saraswati:
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Do have to add this to Jack Kerouac's in vain list? Bullet list in FFL in vain The stars in the sky In vain The tragedy of Hamlet In vain The key in the lock In vain The sleeping mother In vain The lamp in the corner In vain The lamp in the corner unlit In vain Abraham Lincoln In vain The Aztec empire In vain The writing hand: in vain (The shoetrees in the shoes In vain The windowshade string upon the hand bible In vain— The glitter of the greenglass ashtray In vain The bear in the woods In vain The Life of Buddha In vain) Jack Kerouac http://www.poets.org/poet.php/prmPID/1016 The stars in the sky In vain The tragedy of Hamlet In vain The key in the lock In vain The sleeping mother In vain The lamp in the corner In vain The lamp in the corner unlit In vain Abraham Lincoln In vain The Aztec empire In vain The writing hand: in vain (The shoetrees in the shoes In vain The windowshade string upon the hand bible In vain— The glitter of the greenglass ashtray In vain The bear in the woods In vain The Life of Buddha In vain) - See more at: http://www.poets.org/viewmedia.php/prmMID/19163#sthash.IkxmWk0y.dpuf Jack Kerouac http://www.poets.org/poet.php/prmPID/1016 The stars in the sky In vain The tragedy of Hamlet In vain The key in the lock In vain The sleeping mother In vain The lamp in the corner In vain The lamp in the corner unlit In vain Abraham Lincoln In vain The Aztec empire In vain The writing hand: in vain (The shoetrees in the shoes In vain The windowshade string upon the hand bible In vain— The glitter of the greenglass ashtray In vain The bear in the woods In vain The Life of Buddha In vain) - See more at: http://www.poets.org/viewmedia.php/prmMID/19163#sthash.IkxmWk0y.dpuf Jack Kerouac http://www.poets.org/poet.php/prmPID/1016 The stars in the sky In vain The tragedy of Hamlet In vain The key in the lock In vain The sleeping mother In vain The lamp in the corner In vain The lamp in the corner unlit In vain Abraham Lincoln In vain The Aztec empire In vain The writing hand: in vain (The shoetrees in the shoes In vain The windowshade string upon the hand bible In vain— The glitter of the greenglass ashtray In vain The bear in the woods In vain The Life of Buddha In vain) - See more at: http://www.poets.org/viewmedia.php/prmMID/19163#sthash.IkxmWk0y.dpuf Jack Kerouac http://www.poets.org/poet.php/prmPID/1016 The stars in the sky In vain The tragedy of Hamlet In vain The key in the lock In vain The sleeping mother In vain The lamp in the corner In vain The lamp in the corner unlit In vain Abraham Lincoln In vain The Aztec empire In vain The writing hand: in vain (The shoetrees in the shoes In vain The windowshade string upon the hand bible In vain— The glitter of the greenglass ashtray In vain The bear in the woods In vain The Life of Buddha In vain) - See more at: http://www.poets.org/viewmedia.php/prmMID/19163#sthash.IkxmWk0y.dpuf ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Just checking on bullet feature function! Interesting, isn't? In the online view there are no bullet to see-makes the text confusing, unclear. in the online-edit feature bullets are easy to see, text lucid, clear, disposed let'see: But humanly interesting, complex with its relation to Gurus / ŚhaNkarācāryas appointments and list of will (the right to choose his successor from among his disciples) Acknowledged(suggestion) by the other ŚhaNkarācāryas Involvement of two bodies external to JyotirmaTha proper:Kāśī Vidvat PariSad and the Akhila Bhāratīya DharmasaNgha (were key factor in reviving the Jyotirmayha in the year 1941) The role of royalty and coronation of a Śaṅkarācārya as the head of a maTha called paTTābhiṣeka: age-old brahma-kSatra relationships. The role and interrelationship of Indian political parties and institution(incl. international)VHP,Congress party,RSS ,Hindutva organizations etc, Brahmin vs non-Brahmin (sansritization movement) http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/266312/Hinduism/8975/Other-sources-the-process-of-Sanskritization
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Gurus / ŚhaNkarācāryas appointments and list of will (the right to choose his successor from among his disciples) Acknowledged(suggestion) by the other ŚhaNkarācāryas Involvement of two bodies external to JyotirmaTha proper:Kāśī Vidvat PariSad and the Akhila Bhāratīya DharmasaNgha (were key factor in reviving the Jyotirmayha in the year 1941) The role of royalty and coronation of a Śaṅkarācārya as the head of a maTha called paTTābhiṣeka: age-old brahma-kSatra relationships. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Just checking on bullet feature function! Interesting, isn't? In the online view there are no bullet to see-makes the text confusing, unclear. in the online-edit feature bullets are easy to see, text lucid, clear, disposed snip
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Bullets do not work that way Bullet bouncing off the gun and ruining the gunman's day. Bullet, You there, I here, With just the door ajar That oceans are, And prayer, And that pale sustenance, Despair! .. Someone lurking through the door ajar? A little breathless frightened star? My ears are evermore attend, ... ... Waiting in vain for one blest sound--?
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santa merudanda, there are air molecules touching my skin and they are touched by other air molecules stretching out in all directions molecules touching molecules til your skin too is touched. See, just a few million layers of air molecules between here and there, but then whizzing through them, all these bullets of love and not a single one in vain (-: On Thursday, January 9, 2014 3:05 AM, merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Bullets do not work that way Bullet bouncing off the gun and ruining the gunman's day. Bullet, You there, I here, With just the door ajar That oceans are, And prayer, And that pale sustenance, Despair! .. Someone lurking through the door ajar? A little breathless frightened star? My ears are evermore attend, ... ... Waiting in vain for one blest sound--?
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The Competing Shankaracharyas . . Aggregating what we know: NEW DELHI - In a bid to achieve its wider goal of unifying the Hindu society, the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) has embarked on its most arduous task yet -- that of bringing some semblance of order to the institution of Shankaracharyas. -Indian Express -http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369812 http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369812 The last Kumbh festival of this century is over, but not the war between the Shankaracharyas of Jyotipeeth here. There are three of them claiming that seat, established by Adi Shankaracharya who, in the eighth century, walked all the way from his village Kalari, in Kerala, to the Himalayas to meditate under a mulberry tree here to obtain enlightenment, bring to an end through discourse the influence and control of Buddhism on the life of the Indian people and revive Hinduism. http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/369111 http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/369111 The history and presence (as well as it's future)of Jyotirmatha (including involvement of the heads of the four and other monasteries of the Daśanāmī orders to be known as Śaṅkarācāryas, in honor of its founder)was and is extremely complicated .But humanly interesting, -merudanda http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369798 http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369798 Which ones are our guys? Only Swami Vasudevananda Sarswati is in the direct line of succession to Swami Brahmanand Saraswati. -Richard J Das http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369794 http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369794 To summarize, the three competing Jyotirmaṭha lineages in a chart: --merudanda http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369771 http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369771 Nine years after being charged with criminal conspiracy . . sankaracharyas Jayendra Saraswathi, 78, and Vijayendra Saraswathi, 44, were acquitted Hindustan Times: http://www.hindustantimes.com/kanchi-pontiffs-acquitted http://www.hindustantimes.com/kanchi-pontiffs-acquitted http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369749 http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369749 'Shankaracharya asked the court: May I sit?' The Times of India, November 20, 2004 http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/928751.cms http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/928751.cms http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369704 http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369704 Maharishi-ji funeral has been arranged according to tradition by his family,his relatives lit the pyre overseen and in patronage of Shankaracharya of Jyotirmaṭha: Vāsudevānanda Sarasvatī http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369771 http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369771 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: NEW DELHI - In a bid to achieve its wider goal of unifying the Hindu society, the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) has embarked on its most arduous task yet -- that of bringing some semblance of order to the institution of Shankaracharyas. For the first time, the VHP has convened a meeting of the Kendriya Margdarshak Mandal -- its supreme decision-making body -- to frame yardsticks for distinguishing ``real'' Shankaracharyas from their pretenders and challengers. The crucial meeting is scheduled to be held at Ahmedabad in February next. But the VHP's move is likely to face stiff opposition from certain quarters. It is unlikely that people like Swami Swaroopanand will endorse it. The Shankaracharya of Dwarka has a bitter relationship with the VHP, criticising all its moves in the past. The VHP has apparently been forced to make such a move after a spate of cases involving Shankaracharyas, religious heads of the Shaivite sect of Hindus, were dragged to various courts. It was also rattled by the unsavouryscenes witnessed during the Kumbh Mela held earlier this year at Hardwar, in which members of various orders fought among themselves and with the police to be the first to bathe in the Ganga. The multiplicity of these religious heads has the Hindu samaj bewildered, observed a VHP spokesman, adding, things have reached such a stage that steps will have to be taken to remove this confusion. At the last count, according to him, there were 18 Shankaracharyas. In addition, there were six religious heads who had established their own
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Om, the crucial meeting? To help with this they should receive a delegation of TM'ers. A delegation of long-term spiritually experienced meditators of the Holy Tradition from Fairfield, Iowa. The crucial meeting is scheduled to be held at Ahmedabad in February next. The Competing Shankaracharyas . . Aggregating what we know: NEW DELHI - In a bid to achieve its wider goal of unifying the Hindu society, the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) has embarked on its most arduous task yet -- that of bringing some semblance of order to the institution of Shankaracharyas. -Indian Express -http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369812 http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369812 The last Kumbh festival of this century is over, but not the war between the Shankaracharyas of Jyotipeeth here. There are three of them claiming that seat, established by Adi Shankaracharya who, in the eighth century, walked all the way from his village Kalari, in Kerala, to the Himalayas to meditate under a mulberry tree here to obtain enlightenment, bring to an end through discourse the influence and control of Buddhism on the life of the Indian people and revive Hinduism. http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/369111 http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/369111 The history and presence (as well as it's future)of Jyotirmatha (including involvement of the heads of the four and other monasteries of the Daśanāmī orders to be known as Śaṅkarācāryas, in honor of its founder)was and is extremely complicated .But humanly interesting, -merudanda http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369798 http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369798 Which ones are our guys? Only Swami Vasudevananda Sarswati is in the direct line of succession to Swami Brahmanand Saraswati. -Richard J Das http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369794 http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369794 To summarize, the three competing Jyotirmaṭha lineages in a chart: --merudanda http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369771 http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369771 Nine years after being charged with criminal conspiracy . . sankaracharyas Jayendra Saraswathi, 78, and Vijayendra Saraswathi, 44, were acquitted Hindustan Times: http://www.hindustantimes.com/kanchi-pontiffs-acquitted http://www.hindustantimes.com/kanchi-pontiffs-acquitted http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369749 http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369749 'Shankaracharya asked the court: May I sit?' The Times of India, November 20, 2004 http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/928751.cms http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/928751.cms http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369704 http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369704 Maharishi-ji funeral has been arranged according to tradition by his family,his relatives lit the pyre overseen and in patronage of Shankaracharya of Jyotirmaṭha: Vāsudevānanda Sarasvatī http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369771 http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369771 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: NEW DELHI - In a bid to achieve its wider goal of unifying the Hindu society, the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) has embarked on its most arduous task yet -- that of bringing some semblance of order to the institution of Shankaracharyas. For the first time, the VHP has convened a meeting of the Kendriya Margdarshak Mandal -- its supreme decision-making body -- to frame yardsticks for distinguishing ``real'' Shankaracharyas from their pretenders and challengers. The crucial meeting is scheduled to be held at Ahmedabad in February next. But the VHP's move is likely to face stiff opposition from certain quarters. It is unlikely that people like Swami Swaroopanand will endorse it. The Shankaracharya of Dwarka has a bitter relationship with the VHP, criticising all its moves in the past. The VHP has apparently been forced to make such a move after a spate of cases involving Shankaracharyas, religious heads of the Shaivite sect of Hindus, were dragged to various courts. It was also rattled by the unsavouryscenes witnessed during the Kumbh Mela held earlier this year at Hardwar, in which members of various orders fought among themselves and with the police to be the first to bathe in the Ganga. The multiplicity of these religious heads has the Hindu
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Evidently this should not be left to Indians alone to satisfy this large spiritual work. Om, the crucial meeting? To help with this they should receive a delegation of TM'ers. A delegation of long-term spiritually experienced meditators of the Holy Tradition from Fairfield, Iowa. The crucial meeting is scheduled to be held at Ahmedabad in February next. The Competing Shankaracharyas . . Aggregating what we know: NEW DELHI - In a bid to achieve its wider goal of unifying the Hindu society, the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) has embarked on its most arduous task yet -- that of bringing some semblance of order to the institution of Shankaracharyas. -Indian Express -http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369812 http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369812 The last Kumbh festival of this century is over, but not the war between the Shankaracharyas of Jyotipeeth here. There are three of them claiming that seat, established by Adi Shankaracharya who, in the eighth century, walked all the way from his village Kalari, in Kerala, to the Himalayas to meditate under a mulberry tree here to obtain enlightenment, bring to an end through discourse the influence and control of Buddhism on the life of the Indian people and revive Hinduism. http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/369111 http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/369111 The history and presence (as well as it's future)of Jyotirmatha (including involvement of the heads of the four and other monasteries of the Daśanāmī orders to be known as Śaṅkarācāryas, in honor of its founder)was and is extremely complicated .But humanly interesting, -merudanda http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369798 http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369798 Which ones are our guys? Only Swami Vasudevananda Sarswati is in the direct line of succession to Swami Brahmanand Saraswati. -Richard J Das http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369794 http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369794 To summarize, the three competing Jyotirmaṭha lineages in a chart: --merudanda http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369771 http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369771 Nine years after being charged with criminal conspiracy . . sankaracharyas Jayendra Saraswathi, 78, and Vijayendra Saraswathi, 44, were acquitted Hindustan Times: http://www.hindustantimes.com/kanchi-pontiffs-acquitted http://www.hindustantimes.com/kanchi-pontiffs-acquitted http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369749 http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369749 'Shankaracharya asked the court: May I sit?' The Times of India, November 20, 2004 http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/928751.cms http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/928751.cms http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369704 http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369704 Maharishi-ji funeral has been arranged according to tradition by his family,his relatives lit the pyre overseen and in patronage of Shankaracharya of Jyotirmaṭha: Vāsudevānanda Sarasvatī http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369771 http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369771 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: NEW DELHI - In a bid to achieve its wider goal of unifying the Hindu society, the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) has embarked on its most arduous task yet -- that of bringing some semblance of order to the institution of Shankaracharyas. For the first time, the VHP has convened a meeting of the Kendriya Margdarshak Mandal -- its supreme decision-making body -- to frame yardsticks for distinguishing ``real'' Shankaracharyas from their pretenders and challengers. The crucial meeting is scheduled to be held at Ahmedabad in February next. But the VHP's move is likely to face stiff opposition from certain quarters. It is unlikely that people like Swami Swaroopanand will endorse it. The Shankaracharya of Dwarka has a bitter relationship with the VHP, criticising all its moves in the past. The VHP has apparently been forced to make such a move after a spate of cases involving Shankaracharyas, religious heads of the Shaivite sect of Hindus, were dragged to various courts. It was also rattled by the unsavouryscenes witnessed during the Kumbh Mela held earlier this year at Hardwar, in which members of various orders fought among themselves and with the police to be
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Yes absolutely, to add real spiritual coherence and depth to matters of adjudicating this confliction they really ought to receive a delegation of the long-term spiritually experienced Maharishi and Brahmananda Saraswati tradition meditators of the Holy Tradition from Fairfield, Iowa. The crucial meeting is scheduled to be held at Ahmedabad in February next. Evidently this should not be left to Indians alone to satisfy this large spiritual work. Om, the crucial meeting? To help with this they should receive a delegation of TM'ers. A delegation of long-term spiritually experienced meditators of the Holy Tradition from Fairfield, Iowa. The crucial meeting is scheduled to be held at Ahmedabad in February next. The Competing Shankaracharyas . . Aggregating what we know: NEW DELHI - In a bid to achieve its wider goal of unifying the Hindu society, the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) has embarked on its most arduous task yet -- that of bringing some semblance of order to the institution of Shankaracharyas. -Indian Express -http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369812 http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369812 The last Kumbh festival of this century is over, but not the war between the Shankaracharyas of Jyotipeeth here. There are three of them claiming that seat, established by Adi Shankaracharya who, in the eighth century, walked all the way from his village Kalari, in Kerala, to the Himalayas to meditate under a mulberry tree here to obtain enlightenment, bring to an end through discourse the influence and control of Buddhism on the life of the Indian people and revive Hinduism. http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/369111 http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/369111 The history and presence (as well as it's future)of Jyotirmatha (including involvement of the heads of the four and other monasteries of the Daśanāmī orders to be known as Śaṅkarācāryas, in honor of its founder)was and is extremely complicated .But humanly interesting, -merudanda http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369798 http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369798 Which ones are our guys? Only Swami Vasudevananda Sarswati is in the direct line of succession to Swami Brahmanand Saraswati. -Richard J Das http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369794 http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369794 To summarize, the three competing Jyotirmaṭha lineages in a chart: --merudanda http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369771 http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369771 Nine years after being charged with criminal conspiracy . . sankaracharyas Jayendra Saraswathi, 78, and Vijayendra Saraswathi, 44, were acquitted Hindustan Times: http://www.hindustantimes.com/kanchi-pontiffs-acquitted http://www.hindustantimes.com/kanchi-pontiffs-acquitted http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369749 http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369749 'Shankaracharya asked the court: May I sit?' The Times of India, November 20, 2004 http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/928751.cms http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/928751.cms http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369704 http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369704 Maharishi-ji funeral has been arranged according to tradition by his family,his relatives lit the pyre overseen and in patronage of Shankaracharya of Jyotirmaṭha: Vāsudevānanda Sarasvatī http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369771 http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369771 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: NEW DELHI - In a bid to achieve its wider goal of unifying the Hindu society, the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) has embarked on its most arduous task yet -- that of bringing some semblance of order to the institution of Shankaracharyas. For the first time, the VHP has convened a meeting of the Kendriya Margdarshak Mandal -- its supreme decision-making body -- to frame yardsticks for distinguishing ``real'' Shankaracharyas from their pretenders and challengers. The crucial meeting is scheduled to be held at Ahmedabad in February next. But the VHP's move is likely to face stiff opposition from certain quarters. It is unlikely that people like Swami Swaroopanand will endorse it. The Shankaracharya of Dwarka has a bitter relationship with the VHP, criticising all its moves in the past. The VHP
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Not that any TB'ers give a crap what I think, but I guarantee you these guys who claim to be Shankaracharya would not give a shit what you or anyone else would think say or do coming from Fairfield or anywhere else. Take the halos off these guys you have put on them just because they are Indian and wear a certain kind of robe and because they claim to have some knowledge/energy. Look at how they function, how they behave. Since the day Guru Dev kicked the bucket these guys have behaved like a bunch of five year olds fighting over the last cookie on the plate. If any of them were really worthy to have the title, they would not behave the way they have been these last 60 years or so. All they give a damn about is the title and the money and perks it brings. All they want is to be able to sit on their asses, pontificate and have everyone treat them like they are God, collect up the money, prestige and praise. None of 'em are worth a shit. Physically fighting to be first in the Ganges at the Kumba Mela Fuck! On Thu, 1/9/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: All About the Fighting Ascetics of India To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 9, 2014, 8:42 PM Yes absolutely, to add real spiritual coherence and depth to matters of adjudicating this confliction they really ought to receive a delegation of the long-term spiritually experienced Maharishi and Brahmananda Saraswati tradition meditators of the Holy Tradition from Fairfield, Iowa. The crucial meeting is scheduled to be held at Ahmedabad in February next. Evidently this should not be left to Indians alone to satisfy this large spiritual work. Om, the crucial meeting? To help with this they should receive a delegation of TM'ers. A delegation of long-term spiritually experienced meditators of the Holy Tradition from Fairfield, Iowa. The crucial meeting is scheduled to be held at Ahmedabad in February next. The Competing Shankaracharyas . . Aggregating what we know: NEW DELHI - In a bid to achieve its wider goal of unifying the Hindu society, the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) has embarked on its most arduous task yet -- that of bringing some semblance of order to the institution of Shankaracharyas. -Indian Express -http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369812 The last Kumbh festival of this century is over, but not the war between the Shankaracharyas of Jyotipeeth here. There are three of them claiming that seat, established by Adi Shankaracharya who, in the eighth century, walked all the way from his village Kalari, in Kerala, to the Himalayas to meditate under a mulberry tree here to obtain enlightenment, bring to an end through discourse the influence and control of Buddhism on the life of the Indian people and revive Hinduism. http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/369111 The history and presence (as well as it's future)of Jyotirmatha (including involvement of the heads of the four and other monasteries of the Daśanāmī orders to be known as Śaṅkarācāryas, in honor of its founder)was and is extremely complicated .But humanly interesting, -merudanda http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369798 Which ones are our guys? Only Swami Vasudevananda Sarswati is in the direct line of succession to Swami Brahmanand Saraswati. -Richard J Das http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369794 To summarize, the three competing Jyotirmaṭha lineages in a chart: --merudanda http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369771 Nine years after being charged with criminal conspiracy . . sankaracharyas Jayendra Saraswathi, 78, and Vijayendra Saraswathi, 44, were acquitted Hindustan Times: http://www.hindustantimes.com/kanchi-pontiffs-acquittedhttp://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369749 'Shankaracharya asked the court: May I sit?'The Times of India, November 20, 2004 http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/928751.cms http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369704 Maharishi-ji funeral has been arranged according to tradition by his family,his relatives lit the pyre overseen and in patronage of Shankaracharya of Jyotirmaṭha: Vāsudevānanda Sarasvatī http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369771 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: NEW DELHI
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My dear B.i.D. please allow me to smile a little and ask you do hold your non-existing horses- missionary horses you do not have. Have you taken Bhairitus warning into account, too? BTW:What meeting are you talking about? From where and from whom you got that information? What you are quoting is from 2004 !see: http://expressindia.indianexpress.com/ie/daily/19981007/28050544.html http://expressindia.indianexpress.com/ie/daily/19981007/28050544.html Checking you weather in Fairfield 22-23°F I do certainly have empathy with your desire to go to warm and sunny India for awhile. How about make a hospital visit to Phopal lndia its 83°F there and sunny. Girish Chandra Varma, has been shifted to jail hospital Phopal, India because of diabetic (he is a diabetic and takes insulin) and high blood pressure (his car will be examined for rape evidence). Prisoner's Hospital is on Jail Road, Jahangirabad Bhopal, Madhya Pradesh(little forest-cool and peaceful), opposite the Motilal Nehru Stadium Jahangirabad. Close by there is the Madhya Pradesh Tourism's Boat Club on the Upper lake not so far from the prison which provides facilities for exciting trips by sail, paddle and motorboats. M.P.Police do have a Horse Riding School and not to forget to visit the Nidaan Riding Club its one of the oldest riding club in Central India Bon voyage, Bon voyage, you and your delegation of the long-term spiritually experienced Maharishi and Brahmananda Saraswati tradition meditators of the Holy Tradition from Fairfield, Iowa. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Yes absolutely, to add real spiritual coherence and depth to matters of adjudicating this confliction they really ought to receive a delegation of the long-term spiritually experienced Maharishi and Brahmananda Saraswati tradition meditators of the Holy Tradition from Fairfield, Iowa. The crucial meeting is scheduled to be held at Ahmedabad in February next. snip
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Correction even earlier: What you are quoting is from Wednesday, October 7, 1998 to be precise!see: http://expressindia.indianexpress.com/ie/daily/19981007/28050544.html http://expressindia.indianexpress.com/ie/daily/19981007/28050544.html http://expressindia.indianexpress.com/ie/daily/19981007/28050544.html BTW The background of the whole thing of meeting suggestion was about one Sannyasin named Adhokshajananda Tirtha, who called himself the Sankaracharya of Puri and seems to were an attempt to resolve the Jyotirmath dispute by removing Swarupananda, Vasudevananda and Madhava Asrama from the seat . And thereby to have had no other purpose than 1. to create doubt regarding Niscalananda's title at Puri, 2. thereby strengthening his own claim being the Puri Sankaracharya Hope this helps... See further my prev. post about Indian media. GOOD MORNING -GOOD NIGHT ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: My dear B.i.D. please allow me to smile a little and ask you do hold your non-existing horses- missionary horses you do not have. Have you taken Bhairitus warning into account, too? BTW:What meeting are you talking about? From where and from whom you got that information? What you are quoting is from 2004 !see: http://expressindia.indianexpress.com/ie/daily/19981007/28050544.html http://expressindia.indianexpress.com/ie/daily/19981007/28050544.html Checking you weather in Fairfield 22-23°F I do certainly have empathy with your desire to go to warm and sunny India for awhile. How about make a hospital visit to Phopal lndia its 83°F there and sunny. Girish Chandra Varma, has been shifted to jail hospital Phopal, India because of diabetic (he is a diabetic and takes insulin) and high blood pressure (his car will be examined for rape evidence). Prisoner's Hospital is on Jail Road, Jahangirabad Bhopal, Madhya Pradesh(little forest-cool and peaceful), opposite the Motilal Nehru Stadium Jahangirabad. Close by there is the Madhya Pradesh Tourism's Boat Club on the Upper lake not so far from the prison which provides facilities for exciting trips by sail, paddle and motorboats. M.P.Police do have a Horse Riding School and not to forget to visit the Nidaan Riding Club its one of the oldest riding club in Central India Bon voyage, Bon voyage, you and your delegation of the long-term spiritually experienced Maharishi and Brahmananda Saraswati tradition meditators of the Holy Tradition from Fairfield, Iowa. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Yes absolutely, to add real spiritual coherence and depth to matters of adjudicating this confliction they really ought to receive a delegation of the long-term spiritually experienced Maharishi and Brahmananda Saraswati tradition meditators of the Holy Tradition from Fairfield, Iowa. The crucial meeting is scheduled to be held at Ahmedabad in February next. snip
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It is time to modernize this Math fragmentation. The committee should chose Shankaracharyas on the basis of modern standards of neurophysiology at the least. Then also as there is a face value of enough cultivated shakti as like saints of old as real luminaries were and then certainly too they should have scholarly credentials enough to profess the Knowledge properly in context. Modern Shanks proly should pass a board certification exam too as to their proficiency in the traditional scriptural literature, to also be objective. At least an oral exam if they can't read or write. Shankara and Brahmananda Saraswati Guru Dev had these resplendent when they held the Joytirmath. -Buck --- merudanda wrote: Correction even earlier: What you are quoting is from Wednesday, October 7, 1998 to be precise!see: http://expressindia.indianexpress.com/ie/daily/19981007/28050544.html http://expressindia.indianexpress.com/ie/daily/19981007/28050544.html http://expressindia.indianexpress.com/ie/daily/19981007/28050544.html BTW The background of the whole thing of meeting suggestion was about one Sannyasin named Adhokshajananda Tirtha, who called himself the Sankaracharya of Puri and seems to were an attempt to resolve the Jyotirmath dispute by removing Swarupananda, Vasudevananda and Madhava Asrama from the seat . And thereby to have had no other purpose than 1. to create doubt regarding Niscalananda's title at Puri, 2. thereby strengthening his own claim being the Puri Sankaracharya Hope this helps... See further my prev. post about Indian media. GOOD MORNING -GOOD NIGHT ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: My dear B.i.D. please allow me to smile a little and ask you do hold your non-existing horses- missionary horses you do not have. Have you taken Bhairitus warning into account, too? BTW:What meeting are you talking about? From where and from whom you got that information? What you are quoting is from 2004 !see: http://expressindia.indianexpress.com/ie/daily/19981007/28050544.html http://expressindia.indianexpress.com/ie/daily/19981007/28050544.html [ 2004 came from RJ Das's post, errant no doubt.] Checking you weather in Fairfield 22-23°F I do certainly have empathy with your desire to go to warm and sunny India for awhile. How about make a hospital visit to Phopal lndia its 83°F there and sunny. Girish Chandra Varma, has been shifted to jail hospital Phopal, India because of diabetic (he is a diabetic and takes insulin) and high blood pressure (his car will be examined for rape evidence). Prisoner's Hospital is on Jail Road, Jahangirabad Bhopal, Madhya Pradesh(little forest-cool and peaceful), opposite the Motilal Nehru Stadium Jahangirabad. Close by there is the Madhya Pradesh Tourism's Boat Club on the Upper lake not so far from the prison which provides facilities for exciting trips by sail, paddle and motorboats. M.P.Police do have a Horse Riding School and not to forget to visit the Nidaan Riding Club its one of the oldest riding club in Central India Bon voyage, Bon voyage, you and your delegation of the long-term spiritually experienced Maharishi and Brahmananda Saraswati tradition meditators of the Holy Tradition from Fairfield, Iowa. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Yes absolutely, to add real spiritual coherence and depth to matters of adjudicating this confliction they really ought to receive a delegation of the long-term spiritually experienced Maharishi and Brahmananda Saraswati tradition meditators of the Holy Tradition from Fairfield, Iowa. The crucial meeting is scheduled to be held at Ahmedabad in February next. snip
[FairfieldLife] RE: All About the Fighting Ascetics of India
Om my ohm my good guy Buck -bug from you who knows all the healer and sadhus in and out Fairfield -comes this desire to know... To summarize, the three competing Jyotirmaṭha lineages in a chart: 1. Brahmānanda Sarasvatī (1941-1953; revived the maṭha after a vacancy of 165 years) 2. Śāntānanda Sarasvatī (1953-1980, d. 1997) 3. Viṣṇudevānanda Sarasvatī (1980-1990; disciple of Brahmānanda; predeceased Śāntānanda) 4. Vāsudevānanda Sarasvatī (since 1997 [1990 ?]; disciple of Śāntānanda) 2. Kṛṣṇabodha Āśrama (1953-1973; not a direct disciple) 3. Svarūpānanda Sarasvatī (since 1973; disciple among other of Brahmānanda) 3. Svarūpānanda Sarasvatī (1973-1993/4 [1982 ?]) 4. Mādhava Āśrama (since 1993/4; disciple of Kṛṣṇabodha Āśrama) Not including - Hariharānanda (Karapātrī), Dvārakeśānanda, Paramātmānanda and Prakāśānanda (?) Where our beloved FFL-Shankaracharya -in-waiting-in -wanting Williams Pundister belongs or wanting to belong (not included in above chart)-has to be inquired/and or asked by your self dear Buck in the Dome-OHM PS Mahsrishi-ji funeral has been arranged according to tradition by his family overseen and in patronage of Shankaracharya of Jyotirmaṭha: Vāsudevānanda Sarasvatī ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: snip I would really like a program guide that has a flow chart of who is who in the modern Shankaracharya business. I can't keep their names straight. Which ones are our guys? Context too, like which one recently did all the arrangement and hosting for Maharishi's funeral? -Buck snip On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 6:09 AM, merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Illfully submit my composure and humbly beg your utmost pardon- wrong language link here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddPKMmOUJIY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddPKMmOUJIY Published on Nov 26, 2013 report about the day of verdict and impact it has on Indian society (Who remembers MMY harsh words about this case?) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnIBb8QTelQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnIBb8QTelQ Unfortunately most online discussion about the case are in Hindi and/or other regional languages
[FairfieldLife] RE: All About the Fighting Ascetics of India
Om my ohm my good guy Buck -bug from you who knows all the healer and sadhus, ammas-and-mammas in and out Fairfield -comes this desire to know... To summarize, the three competing Jyotirmaṭha lineages in a chart: 1. Brahmānanda Sarasvatī (1941-1953; revived the maṭha after a vacancy of 165 years) 2. Śāntānanda Sarasvatī (1953-1980, d. 1997) 3. Viṣṇudevānanda Sarasvatī (1980-1990; disciple of Brahmānanda; predeceased Śāntānanda) 4. Vāsudevānanda Sarasvatī (since 1997 [1990 ?]; disciple of Śāntānanda) 2. Kṛṣṇabodha Āśrama (1953-1973; not a direct disciple) 3. Svarūpānanda Sarasvatī (since 1973; disciple among other of Brahmānanda) 3. Svarūpānanda Sarasvatī (1973-1993/4 [1982 ?]) 4. Mādhava Āśrama (since 1993/4; disciple of Kṛṣṇabodha Āśrama) Not including - Hariharānanda (Karapātrī), Dvārakeśānanda, Paramātmānanda and Prakāśānanda (?) Where our beloved FFL-Shankaracharya -in-waiting-in -wanting Williams Pundister belongs or wanting to belong (not included in above chart)-has to be inquired/and or asked by your-self dear Buck in the Dome-OHHM PS Maharishi-ji funeral has been arranged according to tradition by his family,his relatives lit the pyre overseen and in patronage of Shankaracharya of Jyotirmaṭha: Vāsudevānanda Sarasvatī Hide message history ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: snip I would really like a program guide that has a flow chart of who is who in the modern Shankaracharya business. I can't keep their names straight. Which ones are our guys? Context too, like which one recently did all the arrangement and hosting for Maharishi's funeral? -Buck snip On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 6:09 AM, merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Illfully submit my composure and humbly beg your utmost pardon- wrong language link here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddPKMmOUJIY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddPKMmOUJIY Published on Nov 26, 2013 report about the day of verdict and impact it has on Indian society (Who remembers MMY harsh words about this case?) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnIBb8QTelQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnIBb8QTelQ Unfortunately most online discussion about the case are in Hindi and/or other regional languages
[FairfieldLife] RE: All About the Fighting Ascetics of India
Dear Dear Merudanda, Thanks be to someone here who really Knows. I hardly never been west of the Des Moines River. I just meditate and wait here for the saints to come visit to Fairfield, Iowa. So, does our TM Shankaracharya of Jyotirmaṭha: Vāsudevānanda Sarasvatī have a controlling hand or a thumb over any of the Estate of our Maharishiji in India? And, the character of this guy? Does he give darshan or just sit in the chair? Is he scholarly and can give Satsanga? Can teach and advise technique? A Sat Guru saint? What is he really like? Is he actually spiritual or was he just put in the job by Maharishi? I hear from travelers the guy is a grump. Who runs TM in India if Girish Varma either stays in jail or is put on administrative leave from TM? Does this guy's Shankaracharya organization get it to run or put someone in charge of the bank accounts and properties? With integrity? Will the Times of India report on this? Meditators everywhere want to know these things, -Buck in the Dome ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Om my ohm my good guy Buck -bug from you who knows all the healer and sadhus, ammas-and-mammas in and out Fairfield -comes this desire to know... To summarize, the three competing Jyotirmaṭha lineages in a chart: 1. Brahmānanda Sarasvatī (1941-1953; revived the maṭha after a vacancy of 165 years) 2. Śāntānanda Sarasvatī (1953-1980, d. 1997) 3. Viṣṇudevānanda Sarasvatī (1980-1990; disciple of Brahmānanda; predeceased Śāntānanda) 4. Vāsudevānanda Sarasvatī (since 1997 [1990 ?]; disciple of Śāntānanda) 2. Kṛṣṇabodha Āśrama (1953-1973; not a direct disciple) 3. Svarūpānanda Sarasvatī (since 1973; disciple among other of Brahmānanda) 3. Svarūpānanda Sarasvatī (1973-1993/4 [1982 ?]) 4. Mādhava Āśrama (since 1993/4; disciple of Kṛṣṇabodha Āśrama) Not including - Hariharānanda (Karapātrī), Dvārakeśānanda, Paramātmānanda and Prakāśānanda (?) Where our beloved FFL-Shankaracharya -in-waiting-in -wanting Williams Pundister belongs or wanting to belong (not included in above chart)-has to be inquired/and or asked by your-self dear Buck in the Dome-OHHM PS Maharishi-ji funeral has been arranged according to tradition by his family,his relatives lit the pyre overseen and in patronage of Shankaracharya of Jyotirmaṭha: Vāsudevānanda Sarasvatī Hide message history ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,Buck wrote: snip I would really like a program guide that has a flow chart of who is who in the modern Shankaracharya business. I can't keep their names straight. Which ones are our guys? Context too, like which one recently did all the arrangement and hosting for Maharishi's funeral? -Buck snip On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 6:09 AM, merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Illfully submit my composure and humbly beg your utmost pardon- wrong language link here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddPKMmOUJIY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddPKMmOUJIY Published on Nov 26, 2013 report about the day of verdict and impact it has on Indian society (Who remembers MMY harsh words about this case?) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnIBb8QTelQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnIBb8QTelQ Unfortunately most online discussion about the case are in Hindi and/or other regional languages
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: All About the Fighting Ascetics of India
What's this?! Santa granter of all wishes visits FFL AFTER Christmas! And calls himself merundanda! How fortunate are we, no question mark at all intended. Happiest of New Years dear merudanda santa granter of almost all wishes (-: On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 5:37 AM, merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Om my ohm my good guy Buck -bug from you who knows all the healer and sadhus, ammas-and-mammas in and out Fairfield -comes this desire to know... To summarize, the three competing Jyotirmaṭha lineages in a chart: 1. Brahmānanda Sarasvatī (1941-1953; revived the maṭha after a vacancy of 165 years) 2. Śāntānanda Sarasvatī (1953-1980, d. 1997) 3. Viṣṇudevānanda Sarasvatī (1980-1990; disciple of Brahmānanda; predeceased Śāntānanda) 4. Vāsudevānanda Sarasvatī (since 1997 [1990 ?]; disciple of Śāntānanda) 2. Kṛṣṇabodha Āśrama (1953-1973; not a direct disciple) 3. Svarūpānanda Sarasvatī (since 1973; disciple among other of Brahmānanda) 3. Svarūpānanda Sarasvatī (1973-1993/4 [1982 ?]) 4. Mādhava Āśrama (since 1993/4; disciple of Kṛṣṇabodha Āśrama) Not including - Hariharānanda (Karapātrī), Dvārakeśānanda, Paramātmānanda and Prakāśānanda (?) Where our beloved FFL-Shankaracharya -in-waiting-in -wanting Williams Pundister belongs or wanting to belong (not included in above chart)-has to be inquired/and or asked by your-self dear Buck in the Dome-OHHM PS Maharishi-ji funeral has been arranged according to tradition by his family,his relatives lit the pyre overseen and in patronage of Shankaracharya of Jyotirmaṭha: Vāsudevānanda Sarasvatī Hide message history---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: snip I would really like a program guide that has a flow chart of who is who in the modern Shankaracharya business. I can't keep their names straight. Which ones are our guys? Context too, like which one recently did all the arrangement and hosting for Maharishi's funeral? -Buck snip On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 6:09 AM, merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Illfully submit my composure and humbly beg your utmost pardon- wrong language link here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddPKMmOUJIY Published on Nov 26, 2013 report about the day of verdict and impact it has on Indian society (Who remembers MMY harsh words about this case?) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnIBb8QTelQ Unfortunately most online discussion about the case are in Hindi and/or other regional languages
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: All About the Fighting Ascetics of India
On 1/7/2014 8:39 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: Buck wrote: Which ones are our guys? Only Swami Vasudevananda Sarswati is in the direct line of succession to Swami Brahmanand Saraswati. The real question is why has the Swami Swaroopanand turned the Jyotirmath tradition into a political football. It is well-known that Swaroopanand has close ties to the Congress Party and to Sonia Gandhi. Swaroopanand has been reported to be opposed to the VHP, the Kanchi Matha, and the Mahesh Yogi's programs. In my opinion, once the committee appointed SBS to be the Shankaracharya seat they should have not attempted any other interference. It is clear that SBS wanted one of his own disciples to succeed him, Swami Shantanand who was specified in a will. As I previously pointed out, SBS's will hasn't been contested in an Indian court of law and the recent court ruling didn't obviate the will, since Swami Vasudevanand remains in possession of the Jyotirmath and the Allahabad Shankar Math established by SBS. And, I'm told that Vasudevanand is also in possession of all the accoutrements once used by Guru Dev, the Throne, the fly whisk, the beads, and Guru Dev's sandals. These are all on display at the Shankar Math at Allahabad. In addition there are reports that millions of devotees worship His Holiness Swami Vasudevanand as the embodiment of Shankaracharya. At a recent Kumbh Mela Vasudevananda performed puja with close to a thousand other Dandi Swamis and thousands of devout pilgrims at the Shankar Matha. I've read many positive reports in the Indian press that describe Vasudevanand as the rightful Shankaracharya, including 'Hinduism Today' and the 'Times of India.' It has not been demonstrated that there is a problem with SBS's will. According to the official biography of Swami Brahmanand there was no doubt in the minds of his disciples as to the intent of the will and it was very plain who was specified therein. According to my sources the will was handwritten and in English and specified Swami Shantanand as the first to be considered. I've also pointed out previously that the mere possession of the Jyotirmath property in the succession dispute has no great bearing on who the real Shankaracharya is. If it were, Vasudevanand would prevail hands down, since he's in possession of most of the Jyotirmath property. In fact, it's a title that's at stake in the dispute. In this sense the dispute reaches a moot point because in fact there's no evidence that Shankara established any mathas at all - it's just a mythic tradition. So, if the devotees on the ground in India believe that Vasudevanand is a Shankaraycharya and revere him as such, and Vasudevanand looks and acts like a Shankaracharya, and he is assumed to be the successor to SBS, and no material evidence is presented to the contrary, then Vasudevanand probably is the rightful Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath.
[FairfieldLife] RE: All About the Fighting Ascetics of India
The history and presence (as well as it's future)of Jyotirmatha (including
involvement of the heads of the four and other monasteries of the Daśanāmī
orders to be known as Śaṅkarācāryas, in honor of its founder)was and is
extremely complicated .But humanly interesting, complex with its relation to
Gurus / ŚhaNkarācāryas appointments and list of will (the right to choose his
successor from among his disciples) Acknowledged(suggestion) by the other
ŚhaNkarācāryas Involvement of two bodies external to JyotirmaTha proper:Kāśī
Vidvat PariSad and the Akhila Bhāratīya DharmasaNgha (were key factor in
reviving the Jyotirmayha in the year 1941) The role of royalty and coronation
of a Śaṅkarācārya as the head of a maTha called paTTābhiṣeka: age-old
brahma-kSatra relationships. The role and interrelationship of Indian political
parties and institution(incl. international)VHP,Congress party,RSS ,Hindutva
organizations etc, Brahmin vs non-Brahmin (sansritization movement)
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/266312/Hinduism/8975/Other-sources-the-process-of-Sanskritization
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/266312/Hinduism/8975/Other-sources-the-process-of-Sanskritization
The rhetoric about ascetic as an atyāśramin (one who is beyond all āśramas)and
esp.concrete written qualifications described in the Mahānuśāsana texts, etc
are, as you mention correct dear B.-transgressing the Dome and the west of the
Des Moines River-, yes are indeed reflected in Indian media with its
dependencies, called bias etc, and international media with itsuh...need
of headlines.
.
If times allows and there are genuine interest will dig up my fond memories of
,here at FFL almost forgotten, charming Svami Satyananda. He, being once a
part-time secretaryof Svāmī Brahmānanda Sarasvatī , gave a little glimpse
about this o.m. in the time of a visit where now -but not then merudanda
-santa grantor being his always-huge ice-cream delivery boy-servant, shower
door guard and tour guide. My role as his student was ( -question the
philosophically impossibility of naturalness and effortlessness per se-)
shortlived due the protesting TM -er blissies. Ahhh fond memeories.
Svami Satyanand here with the Maharishi and then Shankaracharya of
JyothirMatha, Swami Vishnudevananda Saraswati.1980 on the Kumbha Mela in
Haridwar, 20 Km south from Rishikeh on the river Ganges
Picture taken by my dear too early gone and missed friend Dr. Frank Papentin ,
plublished in Darshan. Dreimal Indien mit/Three Times India with Maharishi
Mahesh Yogi
The question if Girish Varma ,probl. non-Brahmin, as a sansritizated
Brahmachary being part of Shankarachary's order or not and if Swami
Vasudevananda Saraswati can him remove from position and status are certainly
interesting question.
To calm your investigating mind -just contact and ask:
Sri Sankaracharya Math, Joshimath, Badrinath, Uttar Pradesh 246 443, INDIA.
Swami Vasudevananda Saraswati: Shankar Math, Allope Bagh, Allahabad, Uttar
Pradesh 211 001, INDIA Swami Swaroopananda Saraswati: Sri Rajarajeswari Mandir,
Paramhansi Ganga, Jabalpur, Madhya Pradesh 482 002, INDIA. Swami Madhavashrama:
Sri Keshav Ashram, Haridwar, Uttar Pradesh 249 401, INDIA On the way to
Badrināth, in the village of Jotīmatha, there are two separate establishments,
respectively controlled by Vāsudevānanda and Svarūpānanda. The property of
Jyotirmatha is presently divided between Śāntānanda's (now
Vāsudevānanda's){north) and Svarūpānanda(south).
PS.Dear Buck sorry the delay do not have always the Urban Dictionary at hand
to understand your post and choice of words.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:
Dear Dear Merudanda, Thanks be to someone here who really Knows. I hardly
never been west of the Des Moines River. I just meditate and wait here for the
saints to come visit to Fairfield, Iowa.
So, does our TM Shankaracharya of Jyotirmaṭha: Vāsudevānanda Sarasvatī have a
controlling hand or a thumb over any of the Estate of our Maharishiji in India?
And, the character of this guy? Does he give darshan or just sit in the chair?
Is he scholarly and can give Satsanga? Can teach and advise technique? A Sat
Guru saint? What is he really like? Is he actually spiritual or was he just put
in the job by Maharishi? I hear from travelers the guy is a grump. Who runs TM
in India if Girish Varma either stays in jail or is put on administrative leave
from TM? Does this guy's Shankaracharya organization get it to run or put
someone in charge of the bank accounts and properties? With integrity? Will the
Times of India report on this? Meditators everywhere want to know these things,
-Buck in the Dome
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Om my ohm my good guy Buck -bug from you who knows all the healer and sadhus,
ammas-and-mammas in and out Fairfield -comes this desire to know...
To
[FairfieldLife] RE: All About the Fighting Ascetics of India
The history and presence (as well as it's future)of Jyotirmatha (including
involvement of the heads of the four and other monasteries of the Daśanāmī
orders to be known as Śaṅkarācāryas, in honor of its founder)was and is
extremely complicated .But humanly interesting, complex with its relation to
Gurus / ŚhaNkarācāryas appointments and list of will (the right to choose his
successor from among his disciples) Acknowledged(suggestion) by the other
ŚhaNkarācāryas Involvement of two bodies external to JyotirmaTha proper:Kāśī
Vidvat PariSad and the Akhila Bhāratīya DharmasaNgha (were key factor in
reviving the Jyotirmayha in the year 1941) The role of royalty and coronation
of a Śaṅkarācārya as the head of a maTha called paTTābhiṣeka: age-old
brahma-kSatra relationships. The role and interrelationship of Indian political
parties and institution(incl. international)VHP,Congress party,RSS ,Hindutva
organizations etc, Brahmin vs non-Brahmin (sansritization movement)
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/266312/Hinduism/8975/Other-sources-the-process-of-Sanskritization
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/266312/Hinduism/8975/Other-sources-the-process-of-Sanskritization
The rhetoric about ascetic as an atyāśramin (one who is beyond all āśramas)and
esp.concrete written qualifications described in the Mahānuśāsana texts, etc
are, as you mention correct dear B.i.D-transgressing the Dome and the west of
the Des Moines River-, yes all o.m. angle are indeed reflected in Indian media
with its dependencies, called bias etc, and international media with
itsuh...need of headlines.
.
If times allows and there are genuine interest will dig up my fond memories of
,here at FFL almost forgotten, charming Svami Satyananda. He, being once a
part-time secretaryof Svāmī Brahmānanda Sarasvatī , gave a little glimpse
about this o.m. in the time of a visit where now -but not then merudanda
-santa grantor being his always-huge ice-cream delivery boy-servant, shower
door guard and tour guide. My role as his student was ( -question the
philosophically impossibility of naturalness and effortlessness per se-)
shortlived due the protesting TM -er blissies. Ahhh fond memeories.
Svami Satyanand here with the Maharishi and then Shankaracharya of
JyothirMatha, Swami Vishnudevananda Saraswati.1980 on the Kumbha Mela in
Haridwar, 20 Km south from Rishikeh on the river Ganges
Picture taken by my dear too early gone and missed friend Dr. Frank Papentin ,
plublished in Darshan. Dreimal Indien mit/Three Times India with Maharishi
Mahesh Yogi
The question if Girish Varma ,probl. non-Brahmin, as a sansritizated
Brahmachary being part of Shankarachary's order or not and if Swami
Vasudevananda Saraswati can him remove from position and status are certainly
interesting question.
To calm your investigating mind -just contact and ask:
Sri Sankaracharya Math, Joshimath, Badrinath, Uttar Pradesh 246 443, INDIA.
Swami Vasudevananda Saraswati: Shankar Math, Allope Bagh, Allahabad, Uttar
Pradesh 211 001, INDIA Swami Swaroopananda Saraswati: Sri Rajarajeswari Mandir,
Paramhansi Ganga, Jabalpur, Madhya Pradesh 482 002, INDIA. Swami Madhavashrama:
Sri Keshav Ashram, Haridwar, Uttar Pradesh 249 401, INDIA On the way to
Badrināth, in the village of Jotīmatha, there are two separate establishments,
respectively controlled by Vāsudevānanda and Svarūpānanda. The property of
Jyotirmatha is presently divided between Śāntānanda's (now
Vāsudevānanda's){north) and Svarūpānanda(south).
PS.Dear Buck sorry the delay do not have always the Urban Dictionary at hand
to understand your post and choice of words.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: All About the Fighting Ascetics of India
Ah ha, dear merudanda, even with Svami Satyananda were you santa grantor
bringing favorite flavors flavours of ice cream and undistrubed showers and
philosophically impossible naturalness and effortlessness. Naturalness is the
basis of effectiveness, explained MMY and there you are being so naturally you
and effective at making Funny Farm Lounge bright again. Maybe you could grant
one wish to this only sometimes humble suppliant and tell us Funny Farm
Loungers one Satyananda story. And so sorry for the loss of your dear friend
Dr. Papentin. May memories keep him close in your heart always...
On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 10:41 AM, merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com
wrote:
The history and presence (as well as it's future)of Jyotirmatha (including
involvement of the heads of
the four and other monasteries of the Daśanāmī orders to be known as
Śaṅkarācāryas, in honor of its founder)was and is extremely complicated .But
humanly interesting, complex with its relation to
* Gurus / ŚhaNkarācāryas appointments and list of will (the right to
choose his successor from among his disciples)
* Acknowledged(suggestion) by the other ŚhaNkarācāryas
* Involvement of two bodies external to JyotirmaTha proper:Kāśī Vidvat
PariSad and
the Akhila Bhāratīya DharmasaNgha (were key factor in reviving the
Jyotirmayha in the year 1941)
* The role of royalty and coronation of a Śaṅkarācārya as the head of a
maTha called paTTābhiṣeka: age-old brahma-kSatra relationships.
* The role and interrelationship of Indian political parties and
institution(incl. international)VHP,Congress party,RSS ,Hindutva
organizations etc,
* Brahmin vs non-Brahmin (sansritization movement)
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/266312/Hinduism/8975/Other-sources-the-process-of-Sanskritization
* The rhetoric about ascetic as an atyāśramin (one who is beyond all
āśramas)and esp.concrete written qualifications described in the
Mahānuśāsana texts,
etc
are,
as you mention correct dear B.i.D-transgressing the Dome and the west of
the Des Moines River-, yes all o.m. angle are indeed reflected in Indian media
with its
dependencies, called bias etc, and international media with
itsuh...need of headlines.
.
If times allows and there are
genuine interest will dig up my fond memories of ,here at FFL almost
forgotten, charming Svami Satyananda. He, being once a part-time
secretaryof Svāmī Brahmānanda Sarasvatī , gave a little glimpse about
this o.m. in the time of a visit where now -but not then merudanda
-santa grantor being his always-huge ice-cream delivery boy-servant,
shower door guard and tour guide. My role as his student was ( -question
the philosophically impossibility of naturalness and effortlessness per
se-) shortlived due the protesting TM -er blissies. Ahhh fond
memeories.
Svami Satyanand here with the Maharishi and then
Shankaracharya of JyothirMatha, Swami Vishnudevananda Saraswati.1980 on
the Kumbha Mela in Haridwar, 20 Km south from Rishikeh on the river
Ganges
Picture
taken by my dear too early gone and missed friend Dr. Frank Papentin ,
plublished in Darshan. Dreimal Indien mit/Three Times India with
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
The question if Girish Varma ,probl. non-Brahmin, as a sansritizated
Brahmachary being part of Shankarachary's order or not and if Swami
Vasudevananda Saraswati can him remove from position and status are
certainly interesting question.
To calm your investigating mind -just contact and ask:
Sri Sankaracharya Math, Joshimath, Badrinath, Uttar Pradesh 246 443, INDIA.
1. Swami Vasudevananda Saraswati: Shankar Math, Allope Bagh, Allahabad,
Uttar Pradesh 211 001, INDIA
2. Swami Swaroopananda Saraswati: Sri Rajarajeswari Mandir, Paramhansi
Ganga, Jabalpur, Madhya Pradesh 482 002, INDIA.
3. Swami Madhavashrama: Sri Keshav Ashram, Haridwar, Uttar Pradesh 249
401, INDIA
On the way to Badrināth, in the village of Jotīmatha, there are two
separate establishments, respectively controlled by Vāsudevānanda and
Svarūpānanda. The property of Jyotirmatha is presently divided between
Śāntānanda's (now Vāsudevānanda's){north) and Svarūpānanda(south).
PS.Dear Buck sorry the delay do not have always the Urban Dictionary at hand
to understand your post and choice of words.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: All About the Fighting Ascetics of India
NEW DELHI - In a bid to achieve its wider goal of unifying the Hindu society, the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) has embarked on its most arduous task yet -- that of bringing some semblance of order to the institution of Shankaracharyas. For the first time, the VHP has convened a meeting of the Kendriya Margdarshak Mandal -- its supreme decision-making body -- to frame yardsticks for distinguishing ``real'' Shankaracharyas from their pretenders and challengers. The crucial meeting is scheduled to be held at Ahmedabad in February next. But the VHP's move is likely to face stiff opposition from certain quarters. It is unlikely that people like Swami Swaroopanand will endorse it. The Shankaracharya of Dwarka has a bitter relationship with the VHP, criticising all its moves in the past. The VHP has apparently been forced to make such a move after a spate of cases involving Shankaracharyas, religious heads of the Shaivite sect of Hindus, were dragged to various courts. It was also rattled by the unsavouryscenes witnessed during the Kumbh Mela held earlier this year at Hardwar, in which members of various orders fought among themselves and with the police to be the first to bathe in the Ganga. The multiplicity of these religious heads has the Hindu samaj bewildered, observed a VHP spokesman, adding, things have reached such a stage that steps will have to be taken to remove this confusion. At the last count, according to him, there were 18 Shankaracharyas. In addition, there were six religious heads who had established their own peeths and staked their claim to being Shankaracharyas. In the 11th century AD, Adi Shankaracharya established four peeths to protect vedic dharma. These were the Jyotishpeeth at Badrikashram, Shardapeeth at Dwarka, Sringeripeeth and Puripeeth. Later, the heads of these four peeths and the vidyut parishad (gathering of learned scholars) accorded their recognition to a fifth peeth -- Kanchi Kamakothipeetham. Initially, theissue of succession was settled easily as each Shankaracharya was allowed to anoint his successor -- a process which was later ratified by the vidyut parishad. But as each peeth acquired prestige and power, the issue became a serious bone of contention. The succession problem gradually became more contentious because there were no fixed laws to prove the bonafides of various contenders, the VHP spokesman pointed out. In some cases, it became so ridiculous that each contender started using the letterhead and the emblem of the Shankaracharya concerned, much to the amusement of their followers,he added. To buttress his argument, he gave the example of Jyotishpeeth where Swami Vasudevananda Saraswati was chosen as the Shankaracharya by his predecessor Jagadguru Vishnudevananda Saraswati. But even he has two challengers -- Swami Swaroopananda of Dwarka and Hardwar's Madhavashram, the spokesman revealed, adding that Swami Nischalananda of Puri was being challenged by Swami Adhochajananda. In at least six cases, heads of various sects have established their own peeths. These include Govindanand Saraswati of Ayodhya and Madhavanand of Prayag. Intense infighting dogs the Vaishnavite sect also, the most glaring example being that of Ramananda sect which owns the Ram Janmabhoomi at Ayodhya.The VHP has so far kept itself away from these internal squabbles, viewing them as internal matters of the sant samaj, the spokesman remarked. But it clearly feels it is time to step in now, he added. 'Now, Shankaracharyas will have to measure up to VHP yardstick' Devesh Kumar Indian Express On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 9:24 AM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.comwrote: On 1/7/2014 8:39 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: Buck wrote: Which ones are our guys? Only Swami Vasudevananda Sarswati is in the direct line of succession to Swami Brahmanand Saraswati. The real question is why has the Swami Swaroopanand turned the Jyotirmath tradition into a political football. It is well-known that Swaroopanand has close ties to the Congress Party and to Sonia Gandhi. Swaroopanand has been reported to be opposed to the VHP, the Kanchi Matha, and the Mahesh Yogi's programs. In my opinion, once the committee appointed SBS to be the Shankaracharya seat they should have not attempted any other interference. It is clear that SBS wanted one of his own disciples to succeed him, Swami Shantanand who was specified in a will. As I previously pointed out, SBS's will hasn't been contested in an Indian court of law and the recent court ruling didn't obviate the will, since Swami Vasudevanand remains in possession of the Jyotirmath and the Allahabad Shankar Math established by SBS. And, I'm told that Vasudevanand is also in possession of all the accoutrements once used by Guru Dev, the Throne, the fly whisk, the beads, and Guru Dev's sandals. These are all on display at the Shankar Math at Allahabad. In addition there are reports that millions of devotees worship His Holiness Swami
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KANCHEEPURAM - Judicial magistrate G Uttamraja on Friday sent Kanchi Shankaracharya Jayendra Saraswathi to a three-day police custody. Earlier in the day, the Shankaracharya was brought to the magistrate’s court in a police van the Vellore Central Jail at 10.30 am. The magistrate arrived at 11.25 am. The seer stood waiting for quite some time before he asked his counsel why the magistrate hadn’t arrived. He was told the magistrate was still working on his order. He then asked for permission to sit. The court clerk told him that he could. Read the full article: 'Shankaracharya asked the court: May I sit?' The Times of India, November 20, 2004 http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/928751.cms On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 6:09 AM, merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Illfully submit my composure and humbly beg your utmost pardon- wrong language link here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddPKMmOUJIY Published on Nov 26, 2013 report about the day of verdict and impact it has on Indian society (Who remembers MMY harsh words about this case?) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnIBb8QTelQ Unfortunately most online discussion about the case are in Hindi and/or other regional languages
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Was this guy one of our TM Shanks? Did Maharishi back this guy? What is his relationship to the branches of the story of the Shankarachary tree there. I would really like a program guide that has a flow chart of who is who in the modern Shankaracharya business. I can't keep their names straight. Which ones are our guys? Context too, like which one recently did all the arrangement and hosting for Maharishi's funeral? -Buck ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: KANCHEEPURAM - Judicial magistrate G Uttamraja on Friday sent Kanchi Shankaracharya Jayendra Saraswathi to a three-day police custody. Earlier in the day, the Shankaracharya was brought to the magistrate’s court in a police van the Vellore Central Jail at 10.30 am. The magistrate arrived at 11.25 am. The seer stood waiting for quite some time before he asked his counsel why the magistrate hadn’t arrived. He was told the magistrate was still working on his order. He then asked for permission to sit. The court clerk told him that he could. Read the full article: 'Shankaracharya asked the court: May I sit?' The Times of India, November 20, 2004 http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/928751.cms http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/928751.cms On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 6:09 AM, merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Illfully submit my composure and humbly beg your utmost pardon- wrong language link here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddPKMmOUJIY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddPKMmOUJIY Published on Nov 26, 2013 report about the day of verdict and impact it has on Indian society (Who remembers MMY harsh words about this case?) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnIBb8QTelQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnIBb8QTelQ Unfortunately most online discussion about the case are in Hindi and/or other regional languages
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Nine years after being charged with criminal conspiracy in the murder of a temple manager in November 2004, Kanchi sankaracharyas Jayendra Saraswathi, 78, and Vijayendra Saraswathi, 44, were acquitted by a Puducherry court on Wednesday. Twenty-one others who were accused along with the pontiffs were also acquitted while another accused was murdered earlier this year. 'Kanchi pontiffs acquitted in 2004 murder case'Hindustan Times: http://www.hindustantimes.com/kanchi-pontiffs-acquittedhttp://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/kanchi-pontiffs-acquitted-in-2004-murder-case/article1-1156145.aspx On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 8:39 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: *Was this guy one of our TM Shanks? Did Maharishi back this guy? What is his relationship to the branches of the story of the Shankarachary tree there. I would really like a program guide that has a flow chart of who is who in the modern Shankaracharya business. I can't keep their names straight. Which ones are our guys? Context too, like which one recently did all the arrangement and hosting for Maharishi's funeral?* *-Buck* ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: KANCHEEPURAM - Judicial magistrate G Uttamraja on Friday sent Kanchi Shankaracharya Jayendra Saraswathi to a three-day police custody. Earlier in the day, the Shankaracharya was brought to the magistrate’s court in a police van the Vellore Central Jail at 10.30 am. The magistrate arrived at 11.25 am. The seer stood waiting for quite some time before he asked his counsel why the magistrate hadn’t arrived. He was told the magistrate was still working on his order. He then asked for permission to sit. The court clerk told him that he could. Read the full article: 'Shankaracharya asked the court: May I sit?' The Times of India, November 20, 2004 http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/928751.cms On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 6:09 AM, merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: Illfully submit my composure and humbly beg your utmost pardon- wrong language link here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddPKMmOUJIY Published on Nov 26, 2013 report about the day of verdict and impact it has on Indian society (Who remembers MMY harsh words about this case?) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnIBb8QTelQ Unfortunately most online discussion about the case are in Hindi and/or other regional languages
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Illfully submit my composure and humbly beg your utmost pardon- wrong language link here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddPKMmOUJIY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddPKMmOUJIY Published on Nov 26, 2013 report about the day of verdict and impact it has on Indian society (Who remembers MMY harsh words about this case?) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnIBb8QTelQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnIBb8QTelQ Unfortunately most online discussion about the case are in Hindi and/or other regional languages
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Kanchi Shakaracharya Jayendra Saraswati was on Thursday night arrested by the Tamil Nadu Police in Mehboobnagar in Andhra Pradesh. Thiru (Sri Jayendra Swamigal Saraswathi of Kanchipuram Sankara Matth) was arrested at 10 pm tonight at Mehboobnagar in Andhra Pradesh as one of the prime accused in a case relating to murder of Thiru Sankararaman, manager of Varadaraja Perumal temple in Kanchipuram on 3.9.2004. Sri Jayendra Saraswati cannot be regarded as a Sankaracharya at all, because the Kanchi math is not one of the four peethas constituted by Adi Sankaracharya. It is only a shakha (branch) of the Sringeri peetham. - Swaroopananda Saraswati 'Cops Arrest Kanchi Shankaracharya' Times of India On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 11:05 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: This is not a football game. TM is a joke compared to the centuries long tradition and knowledge of the Shakaracharya tradition. On 01/02/2014 03:19 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: Wow! Where does this stand now? Does Maharishi's guy have an inside track now? Is there now any defference or are they still fighting? Follow the money? Nadir Ram apparently recently appealed to [a] the shankaracharya to rule on his legitimacy as heir to TM around the recent revolt of Mother Divine within TM. Which Shankaracharya is his guy? This article cited was from 2003. What up now? Who is our guy? -Buck
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Kanchi Shankaracharya Jayendra Saraswati and his followers, all 23 accused in the Shankararaman murder case have been acquitted by a court in Pondicherry. The judge said that the complainant had failed to support the prosecution http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAPI72os-uM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAPI72os-uM
[FairfieldLife] RE: All About the Fighting Ascetics of India
Wow! Where does this stand now? Does Maharishi's guy have an inside track now? Is there now any defference or are they still fighting? Follow the money? Nadir Ram apparently recently appealed to [a] the shankaracharya to rule on his legitimacy as heir to TM around the recent revolt of Mother Divine within TM. Which Shankaracharya is his guy? This article cited was from 2003. What up now? Who is our guy? -Buck
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VARANASI - The Dwarikapeeth Shankaracharya Swami Swaroopanand today asked the beleaguered Kanchi Kamakoti Peeth Shankaracharya Swami Jayendra Saraswati to step down from his post until proved innocent by the court of law in an alleged murder case. The seer must step down from the post of Shankaracharya of Kanchi Kamakotipeeth until he is absolved by the court of the charges against him in the Shankaraman murder case, he told reporters here. If a public representative or a minister was required to quit his post for alleged complicity in a criminal or murder case, then why not Shankaracharya also quit his post, he asked. Stepping up his attack on the incarcerated spritual leader, Swaroopanand also questioned the former's credentials as Shankaracharya of the Kanchi Kamakotipeeth and said that how could he claim to be a Shankaracharya when the Kanchi Kamakoti Peeth was not annointed as one of the four peeths of the Hindu religion. The adi Shankaracharya's had founded only four peeths, Puri, Dwarka, Shrinegeri and Badrika Ashram Peeth and there was no Peeth of Kanchi Kamkoti in the original order, he said adding Swami Jayendra was a mere priest of a mutt. Source: 'Dwarikapeeth Shankaracharya asks Kanchi Seer to step down' Outlook India, December 2, 2004
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This is not a football game. TM is a joke compared to the centuries long tradition and knowledge of the Shakaracharya tradition. On 01/02/2014 03:19 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: Wow! Where does this stand now? Does Maharishi's guy have an inside track now? Is there now any defference or are they still fighting? Follow the money? Nadir Ram apparently recently appealed to [a] the shankaracharya to rule on his legitimacy as heir to TM around the recent revolt of Mother Divine within TM. Which Shankaracharya is his guy? This article cited was from 2003. What up now? Who is our guy? -Buck
