> > Can you cite a single religious teacher from India
> > that supported the corrupted Indian caste system?
>
Curtis wrote:
> Guru Dev.
>
So, where is the evidence? That's all I'm asking. I
might be willing to take your word for it, but I'd
really like to see some evidence. Maybe an excerpt
fr
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Curtis wrote:
> > The original point of mine which is getting lost
> > is that Guru Dev was just another traditional
> > religious guy spouting traditional religious
> > crap including his support for the c
Curtis wrote:
> The original point of mine which is getting lost
> is that Guru Dev was just another traditional
> religious guy spouting traditional religious
> crap including his support for the caste system
> of INDIA.
>
But wasn't Gandhi just another 'traditional religious
guy' who read f
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Curtis wrote:
> > Can you show me one example of Guru Dev saying
> > something outside the orthodox tradition that
> > spawned him, and thousands of others like him?
> >
> It has already been established tha
Curtis wrote:
> Can you show me one example of Guru Dev saying
> something outside the orthodox tradition that
> spawned him, and thousands of others like him?
>
It has already been established that we don't know
what SBS said about much of anything, Curtis, since
we can't understand much Hindi,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Angela Mailander wrote:
> > ...who will do all the grunt work for us so
> > we can meditate all day?
> >
> You and Curtis have really dropped the ball
> on this discussion. I really expected you two
> to d
Angela Mailander wrote:
> ...who will do all the grunt work for us so
> we can meditate all day?
>
You and Curtis have really dropped the ball
on this discussion. I really expected you two
to do your homework before you blasted off with
all this misinformation about the 'class' system
and denigr
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Post # 91477 was your first response on my analysis of MMY's
> talk. I didn't answer to you, because I felt your comment was
> stupid. You kept later on demanding answer on that.
I asked you, politely, twice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson"
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
>
> > > One more time: You might want to ask yourself why you
> > > feel the need
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> > One more time: You might want to ask yourself why you
> > feel the need to attack me personally when my previous
> > posts were entirely polite and
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson"
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
>
> > > Again, I'd suggest that what you're calling "hair-
> > > splitting" is in
It means *cognize* the Vedas, in other words, growing
up as a rishi who can see the Vedas. More than your
average enlightened seer.
--- peterklutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > A governor friend told me
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]
> In this vein, I would guess most artists are sudras. Including
> filmmakers. And actors. and musicians.
Yes they are.
> So the Academy and Gramy Awards
> are great extravaganzas of noted sudras. And much o
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"
wrote:
> > > >
>
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> > Again, I'd suggest that what you're calling "hair-
> > splitting" is in fact analysis of the facts, premises,
> > assumptions, and logic of a parti
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"
wrote:
> > > >
>
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB
> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson"
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson"
> > > wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB
wrote:
> >
> > > Absolutely. But that form of elitism is no worse than
> > > the one at the he
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB
wrote:
> >
> > > Absolutely. But that form of elitism is no worse than
> > > the one at the he
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Mar 21, 2006, at 4:14 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
>
> > My point is that justifications of the Indian caste
> > system tend to come from members of the two castes
> > who are deemed "fit to rule." So *of course* they're
> > i
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Mar 21, 2006, at 8:09 AM, Vaj wrote:
>
> > As I suggested before, I'd highly recommend people read Danielou's
> > work on the subject, not only to have your mind blown, but also as a
> > kind of back door view into the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB
wrote:
> > >
> > > The caste system is always promoted and lauded by
> > > the members of the upper two cas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Mar 21, 2006, at 8:56 AM, sparaig wrote:
>
> > Which is MMY's stated reason for pricing TMout of the range of
normal
> > people: appeal to the elite who need to grow spiritually *at least*
> > as much as the poor.
>
>
On Mar 21, 2006, at 8:56 AM, sparaig wrote:
> Which is MMY's stated reason for pricing TMout of the range of normal
> people: appeal to the elite who need to grow spiritually *at least*
> as much as the poor.
That's also why many devout Hindus consider him a "seller of the
Vedas" whose eventua
--- peterklutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Another way to put this is to say that the outcome
> of mixing two (or
> more) races is based on the lowest common
> denomimator found with each
> race.
And what knowledge background is this opinion based
on? Do you know anything about genetics? Gene
On Mar 21, 2006, at 8:09 AM, Vaj wrote:
> As I suggested before, I'd highly recommend people read Danielou's
> work on the subject, not only to have your mind blown, but also as a
> kind of back door view into the real mind of Swami Brahmananda
> Saraswati before he embraced a position espousing
on 3/21/06 1:10 AM, Irmeli Mattsson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>>
>> Regarding caste, Maharishi said at Amherst in 1971 that he opposed
>> interracial marriage because "the best qualities of both races are
> lost in
On Mar 21, 2006, at 8:03 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Mar 21, 2006, at 4:14 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
> >
> > > My point is that justifications of the Indian caste
> > > system tend to come from members of the two castes
> > > who
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
> > On Mar 21, 2006, at 4:14 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
> >
> > > My point is that justifications of the Indian caste
> > > system tend to come from members of the two caste
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mar 21, 2006, at 4:14 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
>
> > My point is that justifications of the Indian caste
> > system tend to come from members of the two castes
> > who are deemed "fit to rule." So *of course* they're
> > in fav
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Mar 21, 2006, at 3:50 AM, sparaig wrote:
>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB
wrote:
> > >
> > > The caste system is always promoted and lauded by
> > > the members of the upper two castes, and never
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Absolutely. But that form of elitism is no worse than
> the one at the heart of the Indian caste system. Elitism
> is elitism. IMO trying to justify it on the basis of who
> is more highly evolved vs. less highly evol
On Mar 21, 2006, at 4:14 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
> My point is that justifications of the Indian caste
> system tend to come from members of the two castes
> who are deemed "fit to rule." So *of course* they're
> in favor of preserving a system that keeps them and
> their kids in power. It's a stat
On Mar 21, 2006, at 2:53 AM, Irmeli Mattsson wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> If you want to have your mind blown
> > in regards to why democracy is an aberration and how the caste
> system
> > reflects the real natural condition of society
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote:
>
> > Absolutely. But that form of elitism is no worse than
> > the one at the heart of the Indian caste system. Elitism
> > is elitism. IMO trying to justif
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson"
> > wrote:
> >
> > > P.S.When I read your posts I have quite often got the
impressio
On Mar 21, 2006, at 3:50 AM, sparaig wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > The caste system is always promoted and lauded by
> > the members of the upper two castes, and never by
> > the lower ones. That should tell you something
> > about it
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote:
> >
> > The caste system is always promoted and lauded by
> > the members of the upper two castes, and never by
> > the lower ones. That should tell you something
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The caste system is always promoted and lauded by
> the members of the upper two castes, and never by
> the lower ones. That should tell you something
> about its real intent.
>
Except that it is entirely possible t
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> A governor friend told me MMY also said the children
> would not be able to cognize the Vedas.
>
What does that mean?
That they are unable to transcend?
Ot that they can transcend but are unable to recall a
The caste system is always promoted and lauded by
the members of the upper two castes, and never by
the lower ones. That should tell you something
about its real intent.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> A governor friend told me MMY also said the children
> would not be able to cognize the Vedas.
As if he can. :-)
> --- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > Regarding caste, Maharishi said at Amhers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
If you want to have your mind blown
> in regards to why democracy is an aberration and how the caste system
> reflects the real natural condition of society, you should read this
> book. From this POV, the idea that al
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > P.S.: Irmeli, you might want to think about why you
> > felt the need to launch an ad hominem attack at me
> > when my responses to you contained no ad hominem at
> > all.
> >
>
> I have not the sli
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Danielou points out that a society who bases education and training
> for jobs on IQ testing are essentially already recognizing and
> recreating a new caste system based on an individuals innate skills
> and karma.
*
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Regarding caste, Maharishi said at Amherst in 1971 that he opposed
> interracial marriage because "the best qualities of both races are
lost in
> the offspring." Also, he is alleged to have opposed the geographic
> int
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson"
> wrote:
>
> > P.S.When I read your posts I have quite often got the impression
> > that you excersice hairsplitting to divert attention away from the
> > m
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Regarding caste, Maharishi said at Amherst in 1971 that he opposed
> interracial marriage because "the best qualities of both races are
lost in
> the offspring." Also, he is alleged to have opposed the geographic
> int
A governor friend told me MMY also said the children
would not be able to cognize the Vedas.
--- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Regarding caste, Maharishi said at Amherst in 1971
> that he opposed
> interracial marriage because "the best qualities of
> both races are lost in
> the of
On Mar 20, 2006, at 12:26 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
> Regarding caste, Maharishi said at Amherst in 1971 that he opposed
> interracial marriage because "the best qualities of both races are
> lost in
> the offspring." Also, he is alleged to have opposed the geographic
> intermingling of races, whe
Regarding caste, Maharishi said at Amherst in 1971 that he opposed
interracial marriage because "the best qualities of both races are lost in
the offspring." Also, he is alleged to have opposed the geographic
intermingling of races, when it was brought to his attention that this was
sometimes a poi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> P.S.When I read your posts I have quite often got the impression
> that you excersice hairsplitting to divert attention away from the
> main theme or the main problem the poster is successfully
> presenting. W
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson"
> > wrote:
> > > I think that you would also perceive these fallacies, if you
> > >
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson"
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
>
> > > Judy:I can think of quite a few people that I don't understand
> > > how a
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> However, I think your "primitive Hindu fundamentalist"/
> "mildly retarded in his mental faculties" is a false
> dichotomy; and I don't necessarily agree with your
> assertion that because he doesn't put things in grou
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> > Judy:I can think of quite a few people that I don't understand
> > how anyone with their full mental faculties could take
> > seriously, whom no on
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson"
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"
> > > wrote:
> >
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson"
> > > wr
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson"
> > wrote:
>
> > > he clearly is getting old and senile. Usually the nearest people
>
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson"
> wrote:
>
> > MMY says here: "Those who do not know, they can say anything. Like
> a
> > mad man, they can say anything". I think he is by that statement
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson"
> > wrote:
>
> > > he clearly is getting old and senile. Usually the nearest
people
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson"
> wrote:
> > he clearly is getting old and senile. Usually the nearest people
> > protect the elderly person from this kind of humiliation. I guess
> > MM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> MMY says here: "Those who do not know, they can say anything. Like
a
> mad man, they can say anything". I think he is by that statement
> subconsciously describing himself.
>
> MMY has been successful in surrou
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
> wrote:
> >
> > Question - - - - - - - - - - In your vedic system, India
establish caste
> > system. If so, is this most harmful for society?
> >
> > Mahari
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Caste in India is a rigid system of social classes based on birth.
> This rigidity brings with it awful, unnatural tensions.
I wonder what he means when he says, "We want to
eliminate all the different caste."
on 3/18/06 10:15 AM, Irmeli Mattsson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> MMY has been successful in surrounding himself with yes-men. That
> success has however created a situation were he can get no critical
> assessment and he is totally free to publicly humiliate himself, when
> he clearly is getti
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Question - - - - - - - - - - In your vedic system, India establish caste
> system. If so, is this most harmful for society?
>
> Maharishi - - - - - - - - - -(Laughs) Caste is not harmful. That
is what
> which makes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Question - - - - - - - - - - In your vedic system, India establish caste
> system. If so, is this most harmful for society?
>
> Maharishi - - - - - - - - - -(Laughs) Caste is not harmful. That
is what
> which makes
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