[FairfieldLife] Re: If you could make a single change to improve Yahoo! groups, what would it be
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > If you guys REALLY want to see a rating system implemented, check out > > how it is used in the http://www.slashdot.org forums. The geeks know > > what they're doing and have been doing it for nearly as long as there > > has been an internet, if not longer since there were geek discussion > > forums around before the internet. > > Yes, agreed, great solution. I didn't see though were you rate, but > maybe its only for members. A general scoring combined with ceratin > categories like informative, insightful, humorous. And the type of > posts show also up in the profile. That combined with the +/- sytem of > http://www.dailykos.com and a special placement of highscored posts > could be the solution. > More than you ever wanted to know about the slashdot moderation/scoring system: How did the moderation system develop? In order to understand the system, it might help to understand how we got there. It wasn't random, it was trial and error and progression. I'm constantly tweaking and changing, trying to squeeze more out. Trying to make a more efficient, more fair system. Before Moderation In the beginning, Slashdot was small. We got dozens of posts each day, and it was good. The signal was high, the noise was low. Moderation was unnecessary because we were nobody. It was a different world then. Each day we grew, adding more and more users, and increasing the number of comments submitted. As this happened, many users discovered new and annoying ways to abuse the system. The authors had but one option: Delete annoying comments. But as the system grew, we knew that we would never be able to keep up. We were outnumbered. Hand Picked Few So, I picked people to help. Just a few. 25 or so at the end. They were given the simple ability to add or subtract points to comments. The primary function of these brave souls was to weed out spam and First Post and flame bait. Plus, when they found smart stuff, to bring it out. The system worked pretty well, but as Slashdot continued to grow, it was obvious that these 25 people wouldn't be enough to keep up with the thousands of posts we were getting each day. It was obvious that we needed more. 400 Lucky Winners So we picked more the only way we could. Using the actions of the original 25 moderators, we picked 400 more. We picked the 400 people who had posted good comments: comments that had been flagged as the cream of Slashdot. Immediately several dozen of these new moderators had their access revoked for being abusive, but they settled down. At this time I began to experiment with ways of restricting the power of moderators to prevent abuses. 25 people are easy to keep an eye on, but 400 is another matter. I knew that someday I would have even less control since I intended to eventually give access to even more people. While moderators still added and subtracted points, the number of points they were given dropped from hundreds to dozens. As time went on, I began working on the next phase: mass moderation. I learned a lot from having so many moderators. I learned that I needed to limit the power of each person to prevent a single rogue from spoiling it for everyone. And then we took the next step. Today: Most Anyone Today any regular Slashdot reader is probably eligible to become a moderator. A variety of factors weigh into it, but if you are logged in when you browse Slashdot comments, you might occasionally be granted moderator access. Don't worry about it. Just keep reading this document and learn what to do about it! Who It's probably the most difficult part of the process: who is allowed to moderate. On one hand, many people say "Everyone," but I've chosen to avoid that path because the potential for abuse is so great. Instead, I've set up a few simple rules for determining who is eligible to moderate. Logged In User If the system can't keep track, it won't work, so you gotta log in. Sorry if you're paranoid, but this system demands a certain level of accountability. Regular Slashdot Readers The scripts track average accesses from each logged-in user. It then selects eligible users who read an average number of times. The homepage doesn't count either. It then picks users from the middle of the pack- no obsessive compulsive reloaders, and nobody who just happened to read an article this week. Long Time Readers The system throws out the newest few thousand accounts. This prevents people from creating new accounts to simply get moderator access, but more importantly, means that newbies will have to be part of the community for a few months before they gain access to the controls to a system they don't understand. Willing to Serve If you don't want to moderate, just visit your user preferences, and set yourself as "Unwilling." Positiv
[FairfieldLife] Re: If you could make a single change to improve Yahoo! groups, what would it be
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you guys REALLY want to see a rating system implemented, check out > how it is used in the http://www.slashdot.org forums. The geeks know > what they're doing and have been doing it for nearly as long as there > has been an internet, if not longer since there were geek discussion > forums around before the internet. Yes, agreed, great solution. I didn't see though were you rate, but maybe its only for members. A general scoring combined with ceratin categories like informative, insightful, humorous. And the type of posts show also up in the profile. That combined with the +/- sytem of http://www.dailykos.com and a special placement of highscored posts could be the solution. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: If you could make a single change to improve Yahoo! groups, what would it be?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > > fairfieldlife@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Question I just answered in a moderators¹ survey. How > would > > > you > > > > > > answer it? > > > > > > > My answer was more capacity in the Files section for > > > uploading > > > > > > videos, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bah, more nubile females posting phone numbers, addresses > and > > > > recent > > > > > > photos. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You forgotthe name and address... > > > > > > > > > > Heather Graham... > > > > > > > Oh, yeah. Thought I recognized her. I forget so many GF's > > names over the years. No need to furnish the address, thanks... > > > > If I had the address I wouldn't be giving it to you, LeRoy. > Bah. I used to know Katrina (Walking On Sunshine) Leskanitch's adress, but she don't talk to me no more :-(. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: If you could make a single change to improve Yahoo! groups, what would it be?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > fairfieldlife@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Question I just answered in a moderators¹ survey. How would > > you > > > > > answer it? > > > > > > My answer was more capacity in the Files section for > > uploading > > > > > videos, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bah, more nubile females posting phone numbers, addresses and > > > recent > > > > > photos. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You forgotthe name and address... > > > > > > > Heather Graham... > > > > Oh, yeah. Thought I recognized her. I forget so many GF's > names over the years. No need to furnish the address, thanks... > If I had the address I wouldn't be giving it to you, LeRoy. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: If you could make a single change to improve Yahoo! groups, what would it be
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" > > wrote: > > > > > > Comments interleaved below. > > > > > > --- TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > It's an interesting idea, but IMO the only way > > > > you could make such a system useful is to make > > > > voting mandatory. > > While I understand and appreciate the problem you are addressing, the > solution apppears onerous. Can you imagine having to evaluate each and > every one of Sparaig's posts? What about evaluating every one of anony_xxx's posts? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: If you could make a single change to improve Yahoo! groups, what would it be
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff > wrote: > > > Here is an idea -- food for thought and discussion. > > > > Have three evaluation buttons focussed on : i) the post's idea -- was > > this an useful insight or information, ii) the post's supporting > > evidence and logic -- that is, is the insight or information credible, > > based in reality -- or some bs spinning, iii) the poster -- do you > > generally like to read the poster. > > > > Scores could be positive or negative. A zero for "idea" evaluations > > means ho hum. A negative for an "evidence" post would mean -- bad > > logic, incorrect information. A zero would be "normal". A positive > > would highlight the strong logic and and cites of evidence. > > I don't know about the categories you suggest, it seems maybe a bit > too complicated, but the idea of having negative and positive > evaluation I had too. Lets say 'stars' for positive, 'waste bin' for > negative, and then maybe just three at each side. A waste bin couldn't > be cancelled out by another one giving a star. A post which had 3 > stars and 3 waste bins would be a controversial one, a post just with > 3 stars would be one commonly agreed upon. The system can't be > compulsory, but there should be a reward for having many stars, for > example, a column with the best rated posts this day or week or month, > could be displayed on the main page. A 'Best rated' could be there for > all of Yahoo groups, or even for special sections of Yahoo-Groups, > like spiritual. I am against rating people, that would possibly > automatically show up from their profile. > > There is a rating system at Google, but as I checked it on several > groups, its hardly used. I imagine, if good rated posts are > prominently placed, that could change. It could also change the way > people post, because posts people find valuable, are not necessarily > those most commented upon. It would be then an important feedback. > Lets say I send some interesting quotes or links, people usually won't > comment on, so it could improve the quality of posts in general. > > And there could be this list underneath a good post: people who rated > this post high, also voted for the following 10 posts ... > ;-) > If you guys REALLY want to see a rating system implemented, check out how it is used in the http://www.slashdot.org forums. The geeks know what they're doing and have been doing it for nearly as long as there has been an internet, if not longer since there were geek discussion forums around before the internet. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: If you could make a single change to improve Yahoo! groups, what would it be?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > Also, given, as you note, that such a system would > be available only on the Web interface, it would give > those who read this forum on the Web a disproportionate > say. I don't know who-all reads on the Web (I do), but > they're not necessarily representative of the entire > group, so it might produce a "sense of the meeting" > that was significantly distorted. I'd say very few people respond to these messages if they read them in e-mail simply because it is quite easy to hit the reply button while forgetting that if you have it in archive format, you're replying to a generic archive message, rather than to a specific message. I've never seen that happen on ffl, so either they don't allow an archive format, or few people bother replying to the emails. > (or ffl readers are far superior to all other forums that allow archive email formats, of course). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: If you could make a single change to improve Yahoo! groups, what would it be
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity wrote: > > > > I agree. One could give it a shot. But I'm not Yahoo :-) > > > No? Who are you then? London? > > (old FFL joke, refering to Tat Walla Baba's comment when asked if he > would come to London to lecture.) Yeah, good one (But Madam, I Am London..) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: If you could make a single change to improve Yahoo! groups, what would it be
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I agree. One could give it a shot. But I'm not Yahoo :-) No? Who are you then? London? (old FFL joke, refering to Tat Walla Baba's comment when asked if he would come to London to lecture.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: If you could make a single change to improve Yahoo! groups, what would it be
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff > > wrote: > > > > > > I don't know about the categories you suggest, it seems maybe a bit > > > > too complicated, > > > > > > Too complicated to use? Four buttons are beyond your attention and > > > skill level? :) > > > > Its not just the buttons, you first have to get the idea across, what > > exactly they are evaluating. If you do it well, why not? ButI still > > think you emphazise one overall category, and can still add the other > > two categories. > > Any NEW interface seems complicated at first: a cell phone's options, > a cable TV remote and on screen options, various web sites, women > (jk), etc. But after a few times navigating such, it becomes second > nature. I agree. One could give it a shot. But I'm not Yahoo :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: If you could make a single change to improve Yahoo! groups, what would it be
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > If its ignored, then its just the same as it is now here, that is no > > improvement, nor a worsening. > > You asked whether it was used or not. Not me, sorry. > > But do they have a twofold rating system, like I suggested with > > positive and negative votes? > > It's even more detailed than that. Okay Url? What I meant is that, as you suggested positive ratings (expressed in several stars) couldn't be downrated by negative ones (expressed by a waste bin for example), both would still show up for each category you have. > I want to know *why* people disagree or agree, not just > *that* they agree or disagree. I also want to know *who* > is agreeing or disagreeing. Here I have a solution: It could be made optional for the author to decide if the post is rated. Some posts only serve intellectual discussion or giving opinions, and don't have to be rated, others serve to give information, and feedback, positive or negative doesn't need any comments. Thus also people who just lurk can express if an information was valuable. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: If you could make a single change to improve Yahoo! groups, what would it be
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff > wrote: > > > > I don't know about the categories you suggest, it seems maybe a bit > > > too complicated, > > > > Too complicated to use? Four buttons are beyond your attention and > > skill level? :) > > Its not just the buttons, you first have to get the idea across, what > exactly they are evaluating. If you do it well, why not? ButI still > think you emphazise one overall category, and can still add the other > two categories. Any NEW interface seems complicated at first: a cell phone's options, a cable TV remote and on screen options, various web sites, women (jk), etc. But after a few times navigating such, it becomes second nature. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: If you could make a single change to improve Yahoo! groups, what would it be
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > Barry's description of what happens on Google is > > very accurate. The rating feature was introduced > > fairly recently, about a month ago, I think, and > > after a flurry of use in the beginning, it's pretty > > much ignored now. > > If its ignored, then its just the same as it is now here, that is no > improvement, nor a worsening. You asked whether it was used or not. > > Over on the blog Daily Kos, which also has a detailed > > rating system, there are periodic complaints that > > people will down-rate a comment simply because they > > disagree with the author's point of view rather than > > because they don't think the comment is well done. > > But do they have a twofold rating system, like I suggested with > positive and negative votes? It's even more detailed than that. > > There's plenty of disagreement on Daily Kos, but not > > as much factionalization per se--i.e., personal > > hostility--as there is even on FFL. > > The point is that even though the system might be misused to > downrate a view, it still could take that traffic away from the > thread, as people now don't have to comment anymore, to express > their disagreement. I want to know *why* people disagree or agree, not just *that* they agree or disagree. I also want to know *who* is agreeing or disagreeing. > > The problem with a rating system is that it's all too > > easy for folks to misuse to vent their spleen, > > particularly because it's so anonymous. And it > > could really intimidate folks from speaking up who > > didn't have a thick skin. > > But thats even so now with comments. Comments are not anonymous, and they usually include reasons for liking or disliking, as I went on to say: > > At least if someone makes > > a post in response that dumps on yours, they have > > to give some reasons, and you can evaluate their > > comments in light of the body of their postings. > > With an anonymous rating system, you can't do that, > > obviously. > > > Also, given, as you note, that such a system would > > be available only on the Web interface, it would give > > those who read this forum on the Web a disproportionate > > say. I don't know who-all reads on the Web (I do), but > > they're not necessarily representative of the entire > > group, so it might produce a "sense of the meeting" > > that was significantly distorted. > > I think no rating system could be truely objective. But it possibly > could give people some kind of clue, and an incentive to writers to > improve. That could be worth a try. And even think of it, lets say > there is a 'Yahoo best rated of the day' or 'Yahoo spiritual bets > rated', it could really change the way we get to know of things. > > > Personally, if I *had* to rate each post before I could > > move on to the next, I'd probably quit the forum rather > > than have to deal with such a pain in the butt. > > No that would be absurd. Such a system could only function in a work > situation. In addition, a lack of votes is an additional information > about the importance of the post. Btw. I give you two stars ;-) Sorry, but I think it's a really dumb idea. To work as you envision, it would have to be more complicated than most people would bother with, and I don't think it would be any more effective at evaluating posts than what we have now. I think it would also be likely to curtail open discussion, and the forum would be a lot less interesting as a result. The people who would use it would be those who didn't want to bother to write a reasoned response but who just couldn't stand not to have their opinion registered--in other words, the least thoughtful, most egocentric participants would be the ones who used it. And my guess is it would be used more to disapprove than to approve. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: If you could make a single change to improve Yahoo! groups, what would it be
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don't know about the categories you suggest, it seems maybe a bit > > too complicated, > > Too complicated to use? Four buttons are beyond your attention and > skill level? :) Its not just the buttons, you first have to get the idea across, what exactly they are evaluating. If you do it well, why not? ButI still think you emphazise one overall category, and can still add the other two categories. > Too complicated to program? I could put toegther a prototype within an > hour. I don't see any huge obstacles to implementation. Thats nice. > > Where is the excess in complication? > > > >but there should be a reward for having many stars, for > > example, a column with the best rated posts this day or week or month, > > could be displayed on the main page. > > Like NYT's "Most E'Mailed article" > > >A 'Best rated' could be there for > > all of Yahoo groups, or even for special sections of Yahoo-Groups, > > like spiritual. I am against rating people, that would possibly > > automatically show up from their profile. > > Why? Its not an evaluation of the person, but of the overall > usefulness, logic and supporting evidence of their posts. Several > people have said they like Rick's and Mark M. posts. Are you against > such comments? No, but they are personal comments people stand for. If its an anonymous rating system, people may feel that they get rated down, especially if they are not so thickskinned. And it would anyway show up on their profile, if they have made many usefull posts. So the button is not really necessary. I would always like to keep things less personal. > > There is a rating system at Google, but as I checked it on several > > groups, its hardly used. I imagine, if good rated posts are > > prominently placed, that could change. It could also change the way > > people post, because posts people find valuable, are not necessarily > > those most commented upon. > > If content, vs logic/support vs poster are distinguished this may > change. > > >It would be then an important feedback. > > Lets say I send some interesting quotes or links, people usually won't > > comment on, > > Why? I think that was Patricks original point. There is now way to say > "kudos" and give encouragement -- quickly -- without clogging up the > system with one line posts -- and sounding like a mutal appreciation > society. Right, thats what I meant. > > And there could be this list underneath a good post: people who rated > > this post high, also voted for the following 10 posts ... > > ;-) > > yes. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: If you could make a single change to improve Yahoo! groups, what would it be
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Barry's description of what happens on Google is > very accurate. The rating feature was introduced > fairly recently, about a month ago, I think, and > after a flurry of use in the beginning, it's pretty > much ignored now. If its ignored, then its just the same as it is now here, that is no improvement, nor a worsening. > alt.m.t is generally more factionalized than FFL, and > people tended to use the ratings to dump on posts of > folks they didn't like and elevate those of folks they > did like, rather than considering the quality of the > post. The dumping could be counteracted if positive votes couldn't be cancelled out by negatives and vice versa, both would show up. If a post is considered important you would see on the overall number of votes it gets. Very highrated post (many stars, many viewers) could be displayed at the right column side. This would give people the motivation to rate posts they value. Or even more, recent highrated posts simply would first show up on top of the page, another column shows most recent posts. > Over on the blog Daily Kos, which also has a detailed > rating system, there are periodic complaints that > people will down-rate a comment simply because they > disagree with the author's point of view rather than > because they don't think the comment is well done. But do they have a twofold rating system, like I suggested with positive and negative votes? > There's plenty of disagreement on Daily Kos, but not > as much factionalization per se--i.e., personal > hostility--as there is even on FFL. The point is that even though the system might be misused to downrate a view, it still could take that traffic away from the thread, as people now don't have to comment anymore, to express their disagreement. > The problem with a rating system is that it's all too > easy for folks to misuse to vent their spleen, > particularly because it's so anonymous. And it > could really intimidate folks from speaking up who > didn't have a thick skin. But thats even so now with comments. > At least if someone makes > a post in response that dumps on yours, they have > to give some reasons, and you can evaluate their > comments in light of the body of their postings. > With an anonymous rating system, you can't do that, > obviously. > Also, given, as you note, that such a system would > be available only on the Web interface, it would give > those who read this forum on the Web a disproportionate > say. I don't know who-all reads on the Web (I do), but > they're not necessarily representative of the entire > group, so it might produce a "sense of the meeting" > that was significantly distorted. I think no rating system could be truely objective. But it possibly could give people some kind of clue, and an incentive to writers to improve. That could be worth a try. And even think of it, lets say there is a 'Yahoo best rated of the day' or 'Yahoo spiritual bets rated', it could really change the way we get to know of things. > Personally, if I *had* to rate each post before I could > move on to the next, I'd probably quit the forum rather > than have to deal with such a pain in the butt. No that would be absurd. Such a system could only function in a work situation. In addition, a lack of votes is an additional information about the importance of the post. Btw. I give you two stars ;-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: If you could make a single change to improve Yahoo! groups, what would it be
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff > wrote: > > > Here is an idea -- food for thought and discussion. > > > > Have three evaluation buttons focussed on : i) the post's idea -- was > > this an useful insight or information, ii) the post's supporting > > evidence and logic -- that is, is the insight or information credible, > > based in reality -- or some bs spinning, iii) the poster -- do you > > generally like to read the poster. > > > > Scores could be positive or negative. A zero for "idea" evaluations > > means ho hum. A negative for an "evidence" post would mean -- bad > > logic, incorrect information. A zero would be "normal". A positive > > would highlight the strong logic and and cites of evidence. > > I don't know about the categories you suggest, it seems maybe a bit > too complicated, Too complicated to use? Four buttons are beyond your attention and skill level? :) Too complicated to program? I could put toegther a prototype within an hour. I don't see any huge obstacles to implementation. Where is the excess in complication? >but there should be a reward for having many stars, for > example, a column with the best rated posts this day or week or month, > could be displayed on the main page. Like NYT's "Most E'Mailed article" >A 'Best rated' could be there for > all of Yahoo groups, or even for special sections of Yahoo-Groups, > like spiritual. I am against rating people, that would possibly > automatically show up from their profile. Why? Its not an evaluation of the person, but of the overall usefulness, logic and supporting evidence of their posts. Several people have said they like Rick's and Mark M. posts. Are you against such comments? > There is a rating system at Google, but as I checked it on several > groups, its hardly used. I imagine, if good rated posts are > prominently placed, that could change. It could also change the way > people post, because posts people find valuable, are not necessarily > those most commented upon. If content, vs logic/support vs poster are distinguished this may change. >It would be then an important feedback. > Lets say I send some interesting quotes or links, people usually won't > comment on, Why? I think that was Patricks original point. There is now way to say "kudos" and give encouragement -- quickly -- without clogging up the system with one line posts -- and sounding like a mutal appreciation society. > And there could be this list underneath a good post: people who rated > this post high, also voted for the following 10 posts ... > ;-) yes. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: If you could make a single change to improve Yahoo! groups, what would it be
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here is an idea -- food for thought and discussion. > > Have three evaluation buttons focussed on : i) the post's idea -- was > this an useful insight or information, ii) the post's supporting > evidence and logic -- that is, is the insight or information credible, > based in reality -- or some bs spinning, iii) the poster -- do you > generally like to read the poster. > > Scores could be positive or negative. A zero for "idea" evaluations > means ho hum. A negative for an "evidence" post would mean -- bad > logic, incorrect information. A zero would be "normal". A positive > would highlight the strong logic and and cites of evidence. I don't know about the categories you suggest, it seems maybe a bit too complicated, but the idea of having negative and positive evaluation I had too. Lets say 'stars' for positive, 'waste bin' for negative, and then maybe just three at each side. A waste bin couldn't be cancelled out by another one giving a star. A post which had 3 stars and 3 waste bins would be a controversial one, a post just with 3 stars would be one commonly agreed upon. The system can't be compulsory, but there should be a reward for having many stars, for example, a column with the best rated posts this day or week or month, could be displayed on the main page. A 'Best rated' could be there for all of Yahoo groups, or even for special sections of Yahoo-Groups, like spiritual. I am against rating people, that would possibly automatically show up from their profile. There is a rating system at Google, but as I checked it on several groups, its hardly used. I imagine, if good rated posts are prominently placed, that could change. It could also change the way people post, because posts people find valuable, are not necessarily those most commented upon. It would be then an important feedback. Lets say I send some interesting quotes or links, people usually won't comment on, so it could improve the quality of posts in general. And there could be this list underneath a good post: people who rated this post high, also voted for the following 10 posts ... ;-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: If you could make a single change to improve Yahoo! groups, what would it be?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Question I just answered in a moderators¹ survey. How would you > > > answer it? > > > > My answer was more capacity in the Files section for uploading > > > videos, etc. > > > > > > > > > > Bah, more nubile females posting phone numbers, addresses and > recent > > > photos. > > > > > > > You forgotthe name and address... > Heather Graham... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: If you could make a single change to improve Yahoo! groups, what would it be
> > > --- TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > It's an interesting idea, but IMO the only way > > > > you could make such a system useful is to make > > > > voting mandatory. > > While I understand and appreciate the problem you are > addressing, the solution apppears onerous. Can you > imagine having to evaluate each and every one of > Sparaig's posts? I wasn't actually *suggesting* a system in which comments were mandatory; I was just saying that I didn't think any such system would really work unless it was mandatory. I'm speaking from a technical perspective, because I used to be a consultant in the field of configuration management. In that discipline, it is *very* important for software developers to enter comments in the config mgmt system every time they change a file or fix a bug. The comments are critical; everybody knows they're critical; every devel- oper in the world has at some point in his life cursed another developer because he *didn't* add a comment before checking in a file he had changed. And yet, unless you make adding comments mandatory, less than 10% of developers *ever* add them. It's just human nature. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: If you could make a single change to improve Yahoo! groups, what would it be
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" > wrote: > > > > Comments interleaved below. > > > > --- TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > > > > It's an interesting idea, but IMO the only way > > > you could make such a system useful is to make > > > voting mandatory. While I understand and appreciate the problem you are addressing, the solution apppears onerous. Can you imagine having to evaluate each and every one of Sparaig's posts? And some posts don't register a reaction. They just are. > > I admit that a vote-for-post system would be subject > > to flaws and misinformation. I only suggest it here > > because the topic speaks to my larger interest in chat > > group dynamics. I'm interested not just in the content > > of posts, but in the larger phenomenon of online > > discussions. The meta matters, if you will. > > The problem with a rating system is that it's all too > easy for folks to misuse to vent their spleen, > particularly because it's so anonymous. But they need not be, such as Amazon's. But theirs is a three level system: book, review of book (signed) and "was this review useful (unsighned). > > Also, given, as you note, that such a system would > be available only on the Web interface, it would give > those who read this forum on the Web a disproportionate > say. I don't know who-all reads on the Web (I do), but > they're not necessarily representative of the entire > group, so it might produce a "sense of the meeting" > that was significantly distorted. I would think a reply to recieved e-mail going to an evaluation e-mail address would be easy to implement. > Personally, if I *had* to rate each post before I could > move on to the next, I'd probably quit the forum rather > than have to deal with such a pain in the butt. Yes. Here is an idea -- food for thought and discussion. Have three evaluation buttons focussed on : i) the post's idea -- was this an useful insight or information, ii) the post's supporting evidence and logic -- that is, is the insight or information credible, based in reality -- or some bs spinning, iii) the poster -- do you generally like to read the poster. Scores could be positive or negative. A zero for "idea" evaluations means ho hum. A negative for an "evidence" post would mean -- bad logic, incorrect information. A zero would be "normal". A positive would highlight the strong logic and and cites of evidence. In addition to a numeric score, an evaluator could also submit comments -- such as why the post is illogical and factually wrong, or why the poster is a chronic liar and low-life. And the inverse. This would move such discussions to secondary threads devoted just to this, and the main thread would be devoted to discussion of ideas. If a poster posts "evidence" or "poster" critiques in the main thread, a fourth button could be pushed "miscategorization" of post (similar to Craig's list). Each poster would have a clickable "profile" containing key summaries of their posts and evaluations, links to their posts and evaluations -- both numeric and verbal. Type II "evidence" and Type III "poster" evaluation posts could also have the same four buttons -- so the value of these evaluations could also be rated Scores for all four categories: ideas, evidence/logic, poster, miscategorizations. (The amount and percentage of mis-characterized posts (if limits are reached some restriction would be placed on them)) Above scores would be reported i) raw -- as is, and ii) weighted by the scores of the evaluators. For example, the logic evaluations made by a poster who consistently recieves high scores for evidence and logic would have a higher weight applied to it. And vice versa. A poster who has a low "poster" evaluation, would have a low weight applied to their evaluations of other posters. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: If you could make a single change to improve Yahoo! groups, what would it be?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Comments interleaved below. > > --- TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- Gillam wrote: > > > > > > I'd like to see some kind of feedback mechanism, > > > such as radio buttons, that allows me to designate > > > whether a post is helpful. Voting, in other words. > > > I suppose it would only be available on the Web > > > interface, but that's okay. > > > > It's an interesting idea, but IMO the only way > > you could make such a system useful is to make > > voting mandatory. > > Oh, I don't know. Absence of comment is a comment. > I'm not looking for scientific accuracy -- just the > "sense of the meeting," as Friends say. > > > on Google, which has such a feature, what you > > commonly see is one of three ratings: > > I'm out of touch! I didn't know Google had such a > feature. Do you think it influences discussions? > > >You look at the vote count, and > > it's 2, with a final rating of 3 stars. Is that > > rating an accurate assessment of how valuable a > > post is -- two people cared about it enough to > > argue over it? :-) > > It says something to the two who care! Like, "You're > the only two who care -- take it offline." > > I admit that a vote-for-post system would be subject > to flaws and misinformation. I only suggest it here > because the topic speaks to my larger interest in chat > group dynamics. I'm interested not just in the content > of posts, but in the larger phenomenon of online > discussions. The meta matters, if you will. Barry's description of what happens on Google is very accurate. The rating feature was introduced fairly recently, about a month ago, I think, and after a flurry of use in the beginning, it's pretty much ignored now. alt.m.t is generally more factionalized than FFL, and people tended to use the ratings to dump on posts of folks they didn't like and elevate those of folks they did like, rather than considering the quality of the post. Over on the blog Daily Kos, which also has a detailed rating system, there are periodic complaints that people will down-rate a comment simply because they disagree with the author's point of view rather than because they don't think the comment is well done. There's plenty of disagreement on Daily Kos, but not as much factionalization per se--i.e., personal hostility--as there is even on FFL. The problem with a rating system is that it's all too easy for folks to misuse to vent their spleen, particularly because it's so anonymous. And it could really intimidate folks from speaking up who didn't have a thick skin. At least if someone makes a post in response that dumps on yours, they have to give some reasons, and you can evaluate their comments in light of the body of their postings. With an anonymous rating system, you can't do that, obviously. Also, given, as you note, that such a system would be available only on the Web interface, it would give those who read this forum on the Web a disproportionate say. I don't know who-all reads on the Web (I do), but they're not necessarily representative of the entire group, so it might produce a "sense of the meeting" that was significantly distorted. Personally, if I *had* to rate each post before I could move on to the next, I'd probably quit the forum rather than have to deal with such a pain in the butt. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: If you could make a single change to improve Yahoo! groups, what would it be?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > on Google, which has such a feature, what you > > commonly see is one of three ratings: > > I'm out of touch! I didn't know Google had such a > feature. Do you think it influences discussions? I don't actually, except on friendly groups that are exchanging useful things, like recipes or knitting patterns or porn or stuff like that. Then they can be used to indicate some kind of quality index. But on conversation groups they don't seem to have any effect whatsoever. Just my opinion. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: If you could make a single change to improve Yahoo! groups, what would it be?
Comments interleaved below. --- TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- Gillam wrote: > > > > I'd like to see some kind of feedback mechanism, > > such as radio buttons, that allows me to designate > > whether a post is helpful. Voting, in other words. > > I suppose it would only be available on the Web > > interface, but that's okay. > > It's an interesting idea, but IMO the only way > you could make such a system useful is to make > voting mandatory. Oh, I don't know. Absence of comment is a comment. I'm not looking for scientific accuracy -- just the "sense of the meeting," as Friends say. > on Google, which has such a feature, what you > commonly see is one of three ratings: I'm out of touch! I didn't know Google had such a feature. Do you think it influences discussions? >You look at the vote count, and > it's 2, with a final rating of 3 stars. Is that > rating an accurate assessment of how valuable a > post is -- two people cared about it enough to > argue over it? :-) It says something to the two who care! Like, "You're the only two who care -- take it offline." I admit that a vote-for-post system would be subject to flaws and misinformation. I only suggest it here because the topic speaks to my larger interest in chat group dynamics. I'm interested not just in the content of posts, but in the larger phenomenon of online discussions. The meta matters, if you will. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If you could make a single change to improve Yahoo! groups, what would it be
Or set up a Rule that basically does the same thing. Sal On Apr 25, 2006, at 7:21 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Such a technology already exists -- it's called the Next key.
[FairfieldLife] Re: If you could make a single change to improve Yahoo! groups, what would it be?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- Rick Archer wrote: > > > > Question I just answered in a moderators¹ survey. How would > > you answer it? > > I'd like to see some kind of feedback mechanism, > such as radio buttons, that allows me to designate > whether a post is helpful. Voting, in other words. > I suppose it would only be available on the Web > interface, but that's okay. It's an interesting idea, but IMO the only way you could make such a system useful is to make voting mandatory. That is, in order to close the post and move to the next, you have to vote for it and assign it a rating. If it's voluntary, the information gathered reflects only the few who care enough to vote. The ones who hate it give it one star; the ones who like it give it five stars. So for instance on Google, which has such a feature, what you commonly see is one of three ratings: 1 star, 3 stars, or 5 stars. How it works is, someone reads the post and dislikes it and gives it a 1. The original poster sees the 1-star rating beside his post and gets pissed and gives his or her own post a 5, resulting in a final rating of 3 stars. That's the extent of the voting, in most cases on Google. You look at the vote count, and it's 2, with a final rating of 3 stars. Is that rating an accurate assessment of how valuable a post is -- two people cared about it enough to argue over it? :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: If you could make a single change to improve Yahoo! groups, what would it be?
--- Rick Archer wrote: > > Question I just answered in a moderators¹ survey. How would you answer it? I'd like to see some kind of feedback mechanism, such as radio buttons, that allows me to designate whether a post is helpful. Voting, in other words. I suppose it would only be available on the Web interface, but that's okay. Even as I suggest this, I'm concerned it could stifle speech, but at the same time I've often wondered, "How many others in this forum -- most of whom are lurkers -- agree with this?" This proposal raises issues around the meaning and functioning of community. I don't consider it "the single change" I'd make. But it's something to throw in the pot. The Yahoos could bring it up and vote on it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: If you could make a single change to improve Yahoo! groups, what would it be
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff" wrote: > > > > Create a "sparaig" filter so Lawson would only be allowed > > a fixed percentage of totaly daily posts ( and a lot less > > than what he uses now) > > I second that emotion. > > Actually, I have been considering the exact same idea for a > few months now for sparaig. Something like no one person can > generate more than 20% of any sequence of 30 posts. Such a technology already exists -- it's called the Next key. Consign the posters who consistently waste your time to the Pissant Bin, and then the moment you see their name in the Subject line, press NEXT. I highly recommend it. I've got five or six people in my Pissant Bin now, and interestingly between them they account for *most* of the posts made to Fairfield Life. By just NEXT-ing them the moment I see their names, it now takes me no more than five minutes or so to catch up on 100 or so posts on Fairfield Life -- 80-90 of them go straight into the bin and there is a strong chance that a few of the remaining 10-20% have something of interest in them. It's a wonderful timesaver, and it's not really as if you're missing anything by not reading their posts. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: If you could make a single change to improve Yahoo! groups, what would it be
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > wrote: > > > > Question I just answered in a moderators¹ survey. How would you > answer it? > > My answer was more capacity in the Files section for uploading > videos, etc. > > Improve the threaded view. You have a threaded view with one click > right now, but it doesn't give you an overview ...or to put it another way, the regular list has a "simple - summary - expanded" set of options. The thread should have the same three options. Also, history should be limited to half a screenful - just enough to set the context. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: If you could make a single change to improve Yahoo! groups, what would it be
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Question I just answered in a moderators¹ survey. How would you answer it? > My answer was more capacity in the Files section for uploading videos, etc. > Make FFL visible from (au|ca|de|fr|it|uk|etc).yahoo.com. Make the search function more usable. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: If you could make a single change to improve Yahoo! groups, what would it be?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ > > wrote: > > > > > > Question I just answered in a moderators¹ survey. How would you > > answer it? > > > My answer was more capacity in the Files section for uploading > > videos, etc. > > > > > > > Bah, more nubile females posting phone numbers, addresses and recent > > photos. > > > You forgotthe name and address... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: If you could make a single change to improve Yahoo! groups, what would it be
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 4/24/06 10:59 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > So my pithy one-liners are neither pithy, nor one-line? > > They are often those things, but not substantive. Many people regard them as > clutter, and delete them unread. Also, you don't bother to snip, so one has > to scroll down several screens to read something that doesn't add to the > conversation. I'm not saying all your posts are like this, but probably > 80-90% are. > Or perhaps you skip too soon... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: If you could make a single change to improve Yahoo! groups, what would it be
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Question I just answered in a moderators¹ survey. How would you answer it? > My answer was more capacity in the Files section for uploading videos, etc. Improve the threaded view. You have a threaded view with one click right now, but it doesn't give you an overview. Google is much better on this. It would be nice to just see the different topics, maybe the latest addition, and then click to see the whole thread, possibly with a frame like in Google. And yes, the search function. You don't have those flash banners anymore. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: If you could make a single change to improve Yahoo! groups, what would it be?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ > wrote:> >> > Question I just answered in a moderators¹ survey. How would you > answer it?> > My answer was more capacity in the Files section for uploading > videos, etc.> >> > Bah, more nubile females posting phone numbers, addresses and recent > photos.> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: If you could make a single change to improve Yahoo! groups, what would it be
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > wrote: > > > > Question I just answered in a moderators¹ survey. How would you > answer it? > > My answer was more capacity in the Files section for uploading > videos, etc. > > > > Create a "sparaig" filter so Lawson would only be allowed a fixed > percentage of totaly daily posts ( and a lot less than what he uses now) > You already have an anti-Spare Egg filter. It's called DON'T CLICK ON A POST BEARING HIS NAME To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If you could make a single change to improve Yahoo! groups, what would it be
on 4/24/06 10:59 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > So my pithy one-liners are neither pithy, nor one-line? They are often those things, but not substantive. Many people regard them as clutter, and delete them unread. Also, you don't bother to snip, so one has to scroll down several screens to read something that doesn't add to the conversation. I'm not saying all your posts are like this, but probably 80-90% are. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: If you could make a single change to improve Yahoo! groups, what would it be
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > wrote: > > > > Question I just answered in a moderators¹ survey. How would you > answer it? > > My answer was more capacity in the Files section for uploading > videos, etc. > > > > Create a "sparaig" filter so Lawson would only be allowed a fixed > percentage of totaly daily posts ( and a lot less than what he uses now) > It WOULD give me more time to play Worlds of Warcraft... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: If you could make a single change to improve Yahoo! groups, what would it be
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 4/24/06 10:12 PM, anonyff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > wrote: > >> > >> Question I just answered in a moderators¹ survey. How would you > > answer it? > >> My answer was more capacity in the Files section for uploading > > videos, etc. > >> > > > > Create a "sparaig" filter so Lawson would only be allowed a fixed > > percentage of totaly daily posts ( and a lot less than what he uses now) > > This isn't a bad suggestion. Rather than having to moderate individual > posts, set a quota for people who post indiscriminately. I'm saving all > these suggestions and will pass them along to Yahoo. > So my pithy one-liners are neither pithy, nor one-line? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: If you could make a single change to improve Yahoo! groups, what would it be
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > wrote: > > > > on 4/24/06 10:12 PM, anonyff at anonyff@ wrote: > > Create a "sparaig" filter so Lawson would only be allowed a fixed > > > percentage of totaly daily posts ( and a lot less than what he > uses now) > > > > This isn't a bad suggestion. Rather than having to moderate > individual > > posts, set a quota for people who post indiscriminately. I'm > saving all > > these suggestions and will pass them along to Yahoo. > > > > *** > > Regardless of merit, this won't work because anybody who wants to > make posts could simply use an alternate ID, and switch back and > forth. Right. but it would still help if Yahoo combined all the individual posts of a consistently too frequent poster into a single longer post, say every 30 minutes or else just threw away all posts above a certain nunmber within a period of time. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: If you could make a single change to improve Yahoo! groups, what would it be
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 4/24/06 10:12 PM, anonyff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > wrote: > >> > >> Question I just answered in a moderators¹ survey. How would you > > answer it? > >> My answer was more capacity in the Files section for uploading > > videos, etc. > >> > > > > Create a "sparaig" filter so Lawson would only be allowed a fixed > > percentage of totaly daily posts ( and a lot less than what he uses now) > > This isn't a bad suggestion. Rather than having to moderate individual > posts, set a quota for people who post indiscriminately. I'm saving all > these suggestions and will pass them along to Yahoo. > *** Regardless of merit, this won't work because anybody who wants to make posts could simply use an alternate ID, and switch back and forth. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If you could make a single change to improve Yahoo! groups, what would it be
on 4/24/06 10:12 PM, anonyff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >> Question I just answered in a moderators¹ survey. How would you > answer it? >> My answer was more capacity in the Files section for uploading > videos, etc. >> > > Create a "sparaig" filter so Lawson would only be allowed a fixed > percentage of totaly daily posts ( and a lot less than what he uses now) This isn't a bad suggestion. Rather than having to moderate individual posts, set a quota for people who post indiscriminately. I'm saving all these suggestions and will pass them along to Yahoo. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: If you could make a single change to improve Yahoo! groups, what would it be
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Create a "sparaig" filter so Lawson would only be allowed a fixed > percentage of totaly daily posts ( and a lot less than what he uses now) > I second that emotion. Actually, I have been considering the exact same idea for a few months now for sparaig. Something like no one person can generate more than 20% of any sequence of 30 posts. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: If you could make a single change to improve Yahoo! groups, what would it be
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Question I just answered in a moderators¹ survey. How would you answer it? > My answer was more capacity in the Files section for uploading videos, etc. > Create a "sparaig" filter so Lawson would only be allowed a fixed percentage of totaly daily posts ( and a lot less than what he uses now) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: If you could make a single change to improve Yahoo! groups, what would it be
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > wrote: > > > > Question I just answered in a moderators¹ survey. How would you > answer it? > > My answer was more capacity in the Files section for uploading > videos, etc. > > Improve the pathetically crippled search function. > Fix the quoting function so that it doesn't mangle lines. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: If you could make a single change to improve Yahoo! groups, what would it be?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > wrote: > > > > Question I just answered in a moderators¹ survey. How would you > answer it? > > My answer was more capacity in the Files section for uploading > videos, etc. > > Improve the pathetically crippled search function. > Yeah, if it could be like Googles Group Search then WillyTex will, in all likelihood be telling all of us what we said about 5 years ago... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If you could make a single change to improve Yahoo! groups, what would it be?
on 4/24/06 9:21 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >> Question I just answered in a moderators¹ survey. How would you > answer it? >> My answer was more capacity in the Files section for uploading > videos, etc. > > Improve the pathetically crippled search function. Good one. I mentioned it to them. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: If you could make a single change to improve Yahoo! groups, what would it be?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Question I just answered in a moderators¹ survey. How would you answer it? > My answer was more capacity in the Files section for uploading videos, etc. Improve the pathetically crippled search function. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
