[FairfieldLife] Re: Reconciling, the TMorg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > dhamiltony2k5 wrote: > > >Doug writing: > > > >What would > >you suppose they would have to do in order to bring a more > >significant number of people back? Would they come back? > >Start with round numbers, a million TM meditators taught in the US, > >with > >some tens of thousands of TM teachers taught, some tens of thousands > >people taught the TM0-sidhis (27K?); and a few hundreds show up when > >called. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/104974 > > > >A lasting peace and reconciliation? Reconciling the numbers, what > >would the TMOrg need do to reconcile > >with its people? It had got pretty ugly in recent years, what could > >the elements of a lasting peace and reconciliation for the TMorg > >with its meditators? > > > >With Kind Regards, > > > >-Doug in FF > > > Teach real meditation not some half-baked thing and provide a pathway to > becoming an acharya. Both are beyond the scope of MMY though. > If course they are. That's why all the meditation teachers you've been affiliated with since MMY have had endorsements from shankaracharyas (at the start he had the endorsement of TWO living shankaracharyas), world-famous saints, etc... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reconciling, the TMorg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Free popcorn. > > Sal (also in FF) > > On Aug 11, 2006, at 10:23 AM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote: > > > The question above, what say the tru-believer reading the list? > > Have they no thot on this? How do the insiders going to the domes > > see it going? How about a defender of the faithful speaking for > > them? A public defender? What do they see it taking to bring a > > significant number back? > > > > -Doug in FF > THREE ideas:1. Genuine, "good", spiritual experiences: if the people on the current course are actually having great experiences (as the conferences calls would have you believe), and they talk about this when they return home, and they genuinely appear to be doing well as a result, then more people will attend the next course. People want this. 2. Devotion/bhakti - there seems so little of this left in the TMO - people are distrustful, have had money weasled out of them, etc etc etc. As a result, their hearts no longer flow with love and devotion so easily, altho most wish they still had that innocent flow of love to MMY. People want to feel some devotion again, and they want to avoid being disappoitned or hurt, so they stay away. I would guess that having puja each day, doing some outward ceremonies in additon to all the program stuff, would help people want to return. Mostly, they would need to feel welcomed, appreciated, and loved. Hopefully, the good experiences and the kindness and honestywould allow for devotion to grow. 3. Maybe fewer words from Bevan and John? I don't know how the current course is going, but I find the overanlysis and wordiness of the meetings in the past to be tiresome. I would rather have the lectures shorter and less hyped in style - simple, honest words that still convey the good stuff. I could listen to pundits chant for hours, but not Bevan and John. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reconciling, the TMorg
Free popcorn. Sal (also in FF) On Aug 11, 2006, at 10:23 AM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote: The question above, what say the tru-believer reading the list? Have they no thot on this? How do the insiders going to the domes see it going? How about a defender of the faithful speaking for them? A public defender? What do they see it taking to bring a significant number back? -Doug in FF
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reconciling, the TMorg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" > wrote: > > > > > "dhamiltony2k5" wrote: > > > > > > Doug writing: > > > > > > What would > > > you suppose they would have to do in order to bring a more > > > significant number of people back? Would they come back? > > > Start with round numbers, a million TM meditators taught in the > > US, > > > with > > > some tens of thousands of TM teachers taught, some tens of > > thousands > > > people taught the TM0-sidhis (27K?); and a few hundreds show up > > when > > > called. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/104974 > > > > > > A lasting peace and reconciliation? Reconciling the numbers, what > > > would the TMOrg need do to reconcile > > > with its people? It had got pretty ugly in recent years, what > could > > > the elements of a lasting peace and reconciliation for the TMorg > > > with its meditators? > > > > > > With Kind Regards, > > > > > > -Doug in FF > > > > > > > The question above, what say the tru-believer reading the list? > > Have they no thot on this? How do the insiders going to the domes > > see it going? How about a defender of the faithful speaking for > > them? A public defender? What do they see it taking to bring a > > significant number back? > > I'm not by any means the True Believer that the True > Nonbelievers try to portray me as, but your question > triggers another one in my mind: What, if anything, > might be *lost* if the TMO attempted to "reconcile" > with its meditators? > > As disappointing as the situation looks now, is > there anything of value that it's preserving that > would be put at risk if the various policies that > create this alienation were dropped? > > It seems clear that the alienation is Not a Good > Thing, but is it unquestionably worse than the > alternatives? Are there *feasible* (key word) ways > of preserving what needs to be preserved while also > allowing genuine reconciliation to take place? > > These aren't rhetorical questions; I genuinely don't > know. > They're good and necessary questions. I wonder, first of all, what would be "lost" if the TMO attempted the reconciliation, as you suggest above. Well, if by reconciliation we mean that all those who have been trained as sidhas -- regardless of current or past affiliations with other teachers or teachings -- are allowed into the Dome provided they do just the TM and TM-Sidhi programs while there: I think the TMO is afraid of losing control. I've seen at various times in the Movement in which TMers get an idea in their heads that a certain "direction" or "fad" is the best thing for your evolution and they go into it in a big way. The first instance I ever saw of this was back around '75 when a by-mail faith healer in Nebraska had virtually every initiator in our center participating in her cleansing programs...all backed up by an obscure rumor that MMY approved. Let's say the TMO reconciles in the manner suggested above. There are bound to be those who are affiliated with a guru such as SSRS who offer such an appealing benefit -- proximity and personal contact with a guru -- that TMers, being the sheep that they are, will FLOCK to him. So I reject the party line that these other teachings "conflict" with TM and TM-Sidhi practise (as I've said umpteen times here, no activity freely chosen by a TMer conflicts with their TM Program)...it is a question of control AND control of the finite "guru" money that would be available to the TMO under those circumstances. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reconciling, the TMorg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > "dhamiltony2k5" wrote: > > > > Doug writing: > > > > What would > > you suppose they would have to do in order to bring a more > > significant number of people back? Would they come back? > > Start with round numbers, a million TM meditators taught in the > US, > > with > > some tens of thousands of TM teachers taught, some tens of > thousands > > people taught the TM0-sidhis (27K?); and a few hundreds show up > when > > called. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/104974 > > > > A lasting peace and reconciliation? Reconciling the numbers, what > > would the TMOrg need do to reconcile > > with its people? It had got pretty ugly in recent years, what could > > the elements of a lasting peace and reconciliation for the TMorg > > with its meditators? > > > > With Kind Regards, > > > > -Doug in FF > > > > The question above, what say the tru-believer reading the list? > Have they no thot on this? How do the insiders going to the domes > see it going? How about a defender of the faithful speaking for > them? A public defender? What do they see it taking to bring a > significant number back? I'm not by any means the True Believer that the True Nonbelievers try to portray me as, but your question triggers another one in my mind: What, if anything, might be *lost* if the TMO attempted to "reconcile" with its meditators? As disappointing as the situation looks now, is there anything of value that it's preserving that would be put at risk if the various policies that create this alienation were dropped? It seems clear that the alienation is Not a Good Thing, but is it unquestionably worse than the alternatives? Are there *feasible* (key word) ways of preserving what needs to be preserved while also allowing genuine reconciliation to take place? These aren't rhetorical questions; I genuinely don't know. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reconciling, the TMorg
> "dhamiltony2k5" wrote: > > Doug writing: > > What would > you suppose they would have to do in order to bring a more > significant number of people back? Would they come back? > Start with round numbers, a million TM meditators taught in the US, > with > some tens of thousands of TM teachers taught, some tens of thousands > people taught the TM0-sidhis (27K?); and a few hundreds show up when > called. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/104974 > > A lasting peace and reconciliation? Reconciling the numbers, what > would the TMOrg need do to reconcile > with its people? It had got pretty ugly in recent years, what could > the elements of a lasting peace and reconciliation for the TMorg > with its meditators? > > With Kind Regards, > > -Doug in FF > The question above, what say the tru-believer reading the list? Have they no thot on this? How do the insiders going to the domes see it going? How about a defender of the faithful speaking for them? A public defender? What do they see it taking to bring a significant number back? -Doug in FF To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reconciling, the TMorg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" > wrote: > > > > Doug writing: > > > > What would > > you suppose they would have to do in order to bring a more > > significant number of people back? Would they come back? > > Start with round numbers, a million TM meditators taught in the > US, > > with > > some tens of thousands of TM teachers taught, some tens of > thousands > > people taught the TM0-sidhis (27K?); and a few hundreds show up > when > > called. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/104974 > > > > A lasting peace and reconciliation? Reconciling the numbers, what > > would the TMOrg need do to reconcile > > with its people? It had got pretty ugly in recent years, what could > > the elements of a lasting peace and reconciliation for the TMorg > > with its meditators? > > > > With Kind Regards, > > > > -Doug in FF>>> > > 1. Throw out EVERYTHINGexcept TM and TM-sidhis and the promotion > of large groups for world evolution. > > 2. Kiss my big1bwana. > > 3. Make people that fart a lot do their programs at home. > > 4. Get over the whole rice and dhal fad. > > 5. Purify the human gene pool. > > OffWorldBeings 6. Start the mantra at 28 seconds after closing the eyes instead of the traditional 30 seconds...this will speed up the coming of Heaven on Earth by a factor of .07 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reconciling, the TMorg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Doug writing: > > What would > you suppose they would have to do in order to bring a more > significant number of people back? Would they come back? > Start with round numbers, a million TM meditators taught in the US, > with > some tens of thousands of TM teachers taught, some tens of thousands > people taught the TM0-sidhis (27K?); and a few hundreds show up when > called. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/104974 > > A lasting peace and reconciliation? Reconciling the numbers, what > would the TMOrg need do to reconcile > with its people? It had got pretty ugly in recent years, what could > the elements of a lasting peace and reconciliation for the TMorg > with its meditators? > > With Kind Regards, > > -Doug in FF>>> 1. Throw out EVERYTHINGexcept TM and TM-sidhis and the promotion of large groups for world evolution. 2. Kiss my big1bwana. 3. Make people that fart a lot do their programs at home. 4. Get over the whole rice and dhal fad. 5. Purify the human gene pool. OffWorldBeings To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reconciling, the TMorg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > wrote: > > > > > > > > I noticed that the course pictures George posted highlighted the > > > > buildings more than the people > > > > > > > > JohnY > > > > > > I notice a lot of people have serious suspicions that all the money > > that they've donated over > > > the years has gone to line the pockets of MMY and his nephews rather > > than to build > > > buildings... > > > > > > > Didn't the TMO just start a bank/credit union/mortgage house in NYC? > > (Does the Catholic Church still own controlling interest in BOA?) > > > http://finance.yahoo.com/q/mh?s=BAC > > Not since about 1930 > Thankyou To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reconciling, the TMorg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" wrote: > > > > > > I noticed that the course pictures George posted highlighted the > > > buildings more than the people > > > > > > JohnY > > > > I notice a lot of people have serious suspicions that all the money > that they've donated over > > the years has gone to line the pockets of MMY and his nephews rather > than to build > > buildings... > > > > Didn't the TMO just start a bank/credit union/mortgage house in NYC? > (Does the Catholic Church still own controlling interest in BOA?) > http://finance.yahoo.com/q/mh?s=BAC Not since about 1930 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reconciling, the TMorg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" wrote: > > > > I noticed that the course pictures George posted highlighted the > > buildings more than the people > > > > JohnY > > I notice a lot of people have serious suspicions that all the money that they've donated over > the years has gone to line the pockets of MMY and his nephews rather than to build > buildings... > Didn't the TMO just start a bank/credit union/mortgage house in NYC? (Does the Catholic Church still own controlling interest in BOA?) JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reconciling, the TMorg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I noticed that the course pictures George posted highlighted the > buildings more than the people > > JohnY I notice a lot of people have serious suspicions that all the money that they've donated over the years has gone to line the pockets of MMY and his nephews rather than to build buildings... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reconciling, the TMorg
I noticed that the course pictures George posted highlighted the buildings more than the people JohnY --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I'm not sure Doug. As a start, loose the crowns and robes (it > >didn't > > work the first time, historically), stop suing or trying to > >recertify > > the teachers. Start teaching TM for an honest price Stop hiding > > all the finances. Stop trying to accumulate property by any means. > >The > > TMO has lost the good will of so many and become > >untrustworthy > > > > JohnY > > Yes, we would all be stunned by surprize if they started posting on > websites their audited budgets, income statements, balance sheets > and cashflows. MUM, MSAE, Global Country. They won't. They > can't. > > That would be one of those decisions that would have to come from > the top. Transparency, is not how you run an Indian family > business? 'don't tell me how to run my business'. > > Of course, these things if they were started would be helpful in > time and yet nothing will happen unless they are done. There has > been a lot of cashflow over the damn unaccounted for that eveyone > has seen go by. Where is it throwing good money after bad if they > can't seem to tell where it goes? > > Jai Guru Dev, > > -Doug in FF > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" > wrote: > > > > I'm not sure Doug. As a start, loose the crowns and robes (it > didn't > > work the first time, historically), stop suing or trying to re- > > certify > > the teachers. Start teaching TM for an honest price Stop hiding > > all the finances. Stop trying to accumulate property by any means. > > The > > TMO has lost the good will of so many and become untrustworthy > > > > JohnY > > > > > > Yes, these things in time would be helpful and nothing will happen > > unless they are done. Transparency keeps coming up at the > problem. > > The first thing the accreditation team recently coached the > > Maharishi School for the Age of Enlightenment to do was to audit > all > > parts of the school and report the audit to everyone. When hell > > freezes over is likely what the administrators and MMY think of > > course. > > > > The great quote recently is MMY to one of Mother Olsen's > daughter's > > who was advising that the fees for basic meditation should be > > reduced, MMY's response accurately was, "Don't tell me how to run > > my business" Last contact and lost contact in that. > > > > As Hagelin said succinctly in a public meeting with TSR here, we > got > > the best movement and the best guidelines we got now. Nothing is > > going to change evidently until after MMY. Wait until then for > the > > best hope in all of this. > > > > Does that mean that MMY can't die fast enough to git out of the > > way? It is a sad deal for something that was so hopeful. > > > > Jai Guru Dev, > > > > -Doug in FF > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Reconciling the past, > > > > > > > > >how likely is it that > > > > > they'd > > > > > > > be open to the rest of us? (Not that there'd even be > that > > many > > > > > willing > > > > > > > to go.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sal > > > > > > > > > > > > JohnY writes, > > > > The quaility of the current programs speak to both Maharishi's > > and > > > > the > > > > TMO's openness. That's why the participation is as it is. > 27,000 > > > > siddha's ... less than 2000 participating. > > > > > > > > > > > > Doug writing: > > > > Yes, round numbers a million TM meditators taught in the US, > > with > > > > some tens of thousands of TM teachers taught, some tens of > > thousands > > > > people taught the TM0-sidhis; and a few hundreds show up when > > > > called. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/104974 > > > > > > > > > > > > Reconciling the numbers, what would the TMOrg need do, to > > reconcile > > > > with its people? It had got pretty ugly in recent years, what > > could > > > > the elements of a lasting peace and reconciliation for the > TMorg > > be > > > > with its meditators? > > > > > > > > > > > > Jai Guru Dev, > > > > -Doug in FF > > > > > > > I'm not sure Doug. As a start, loose the crowns and robes (it > > didn't > > > work the first time, historically), stop suing or trying to > > recertify > > > the teachers. Start teaching TM for an honest price Stop > hiding > > > all the finances. Stop trying to accumulate property by any > means. > > The > > > TMO has lost the good will of so many and become > > untrustworthy > > > > > > JohnY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rober
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reconciling, the TMorg
> I'm not sure Doug. As a start, loose the crowns and robes (it >didn't > work the first time, historically), stop suing or trying to >recertify > the teachers. Start teaching TM for an honest price Stop hiding > all the finances. Stop trying to accumulate property by any means. >The > TMO has lost the good will of so many and become >untrustworthy > > JohnY Yes, we would all be stunned by surprize if they started posting on websites their audited budgets, income statements, balance sheets and cashflows. MUM, MSAE, Global Country. They won't. They can't. That would be one of those decisions that would have to come from the top. Transparency, is not how you run an Indian family business? 'don't tell me how to run my business'. Of course, these things if they were started would be helpful in time and yet nothing will happen unless they are done. There has been a lot of cashflow over the damn unaccounted for that eveyone has seen go by. Where is it throwing good money after bad if they can't seem to tell where it goes? Jai Guru Dev, -Doug in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm not sure Doug. As a start, loose the crowns and robes (it didn't > work the first time, historically), stop suing or trying to re- > certify > the teachers. Start teaching TM for an honest price Stop hiding > all the finances. Stop trying to accumulate property by any means. > The > TMO has lost the good will of so many and become untrustworthy > > JohnY > > > Yes, these things in time would be helpful and nothing will happen > unless they are done. Transparency keeps coming up at the problem. > The first thing the accreditation team recently coached the > Maharishi School for the Age of Enlightenment to do was to audit all > parts of the school and report the audit to everyone. When hell > freezes over is likely what the administrators and MMY think of > course. > > The great quote recently is MMY to one of Mother Olsen's daughter's > who was advising that the fees for basic meditation should be > reduced, MMY's response accurately was, "Don't tell me how to run > my business" Last contact and lost contact in that. > > As Hagelin said succinctly in a public meeting with TSR here, we got > the best movement and the best guidelines we got now. Nothing is > going to change evidently until after MMY. Wait until then for the > best hope in all of this. > > Does that mean that MMY can't die fast enough to git out of the > way? It is a sad deal for something that was so hopeful. > > Jai Guru Dev, > > -Doug in FF > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" > > wrote: > > > > > > Reconciling the past, > > > > > > >how likely is it that > > > > they'd > > > > > > be open to the rest of us? (Not that there'd even be that > many > > > > willing > > > > > > to go.) > > > > > > > > > > > > Sal > > > > > > > > > JohnY writes, > > > The quaility of the current programs speak to both Maharishi's > and > > > the > > > TMO's openness. That's why the participation is as it is. 27,000 > > > siddha's ... less than 2000 participating. > > > > > > > > > Doug writing: > > > Yes, round numbers a million TM meditators taught in the US, > with > > > some tens of thousands of TM teachers taught, some tens of > thousands > > > people taught the TM0-sidhis; and a few hundreds show up when > > > called. > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/104974 > > > > > > > > > Reconciling the numbers, what would the TMOrg need do, to > reconcile > > > with its people? It had got pretty ugly in recent years, what > could > > > the elements of a lasting peace and reconciliation for the TMorg > be > > > with its meditators? > > > > > > > > > Jai Guru Dev, > > > -Doug in FF > > > > > I'm not sure Doug. As a start, loose the crowns and robes (it > didn't > > work the first time, historically), stop suing or trying to > recertify > > the teachers. Start teaching TM for an honest price Stop hiding > > all the finances. Stop trying to accumulate property by any means. > The > > TMO has lost the good will of so many and become > untrustworthy > > > > JohnY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most sidhas here are or were doing other stuff. And > > > seeing > > > > > as how > > > > > > > someone else just got thrown out for that, how likely is > it > > > that > > > > > they'd > > > > > > > be open to the r
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reconciling, the TMorg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm not sure Doug. As a start, loose the crowns and robes (it didn't > work the first time, historically), stop suing or trying to re- > certify > the teachers. Start teaching TM for an honest price Stop hiding > all the finances. Stop trying to accumulate property by any means. > The > TMO has lost the good will of so many and become untrustworthy > > JohnY > > > Yes, these things in time would be helpful and nothing will happen > unless they are done. Transparency keeps coming up at the problem. > The first thing the accreditation team recently coached the > Maharishi School for the Age of Enlightenment to do was to audit all > parts of the school and report the audit to everyone. When hell > freezes over is likely what the administrators and MMY think of > course. > > The great quote recently is MMY to one of Mother Olsen's daughter's > who was advising that the fees for basic meditation should be > reduced, MMY's response accurately was, "Don't tell me how to run > my business" Last contact and lost contact in that. > So she stopped meditating or stopped talking to MMY because of that? > As Hagelin said succinctly in a public meeting with TSR here, we got > the best movement and the best guidelines we got now. Nothing is > going to change evidently until after MMY. Wait until then for the > best hope in all of this. > > Does that mean that MMY can't die fast enough to git out of the > way? It is a sad deal for something that was so hopeful. > > Jai Guru Dev, > > -Doug in FF Heh. So John and company are hoping that MMY dies soon? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reconciling, the TMorg
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reconciling, the TMorg on 8/5/06 10:04 PM, dhamiltony2k5 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, these things in time would be helpful and nothing will happen unless they are done. Transparency keeps coming up at the problem. The first thing the accreditation team recently coached the Maharishi School for the Age of Enlightenment to do was to audit all parts of the school and report the audit to everyone. When hell freezes over is likely what the administrators and MMY think of course. That’s not going to happen because “International” regularly sucks money out of MUM (and presumably also MSAE), placing it in financial jeopardy for months. Obviously someone sees these institutions as cash cows and doesn’t have their best interests in mind. They’re not going to want that info publicized. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reconciling, the TMorg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm not sure Doug. As a start, loose the crowns and robes (it didn't > work the first time, historically), stop suing or trying to re- > certify > the teachers. Start teaching TM for an honest price Stop hiding > all the finances. Stop trying to accumulate property by any means. > The > TMO has lost the good will of so many and become untrustworthy > > JohnY > > > Yes, these things in time would be helpful and nothing will happen > unless they are done. Transparency keeps coming up at the problem. > The first thing the accreditation team recently coached the > Maharishi School for the Age of Enlightenment to do was to audit all > parts of the school and report the audit to everyone. When hell > freezes over is likely what the administrators and MMY think of > course. > > The great quote recently is MMY to one of Mother Olsen's daughter's > who was advising that the fees for basic meditation should be > reduced, MMY's response accurately was, "Don't tell me how to run > my business" Last contact and lost contact in that. > > As Hagelin said succinctly in a public meeting with TSR here, we got > the best movement and the best guidelines we got now. Nothing is > going to change evidently until after MMY. Wait until then for the > best hope in all of this. > > Does that mean that MMY can't die fast enough to git out of the > way? It is a sad deal for something that was so hopeful. > > Jai Guru Dev, > > -Doug in FF > Doug do you have any more detail about this: "The great quote recently is MMY to one of Mother Olsen's daughter's who was advising that the fees for basic meditation should be reduced, MMY's response accurately was, "Don't tell me how to run my business" Last contact and lost contact in that." Especially "Last contact and lost contact in that." Do you mean that she left and had no more contact with Maharishi? Thanks, JohnY > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" > > wrote: > > > > > > Reconciling the past, > > > > > > >how likely is it that > > > > they'd > > > > > > be open to the rest of us? (Not that there'd even be that > many > > > > willing > > > > > > to go.) > > > > > > > > > > > > Sal > > > > > > > > > JohnY writes, > > > The quaility of the current programs speak to both Maharishi's > and > > > the > > > TMO's openness. That's why the participation is as it is. 27,000 > > > siddha's ... less than 2000 participating. > > > > > > > > > Doug writing: > > > Yes, round numbers a million TM meditators taught in the US, > with > > > some tens of thousands of TM teachers taught, some tens of > thousands > > > people taught the TM0-sidhis; and a few hundreds show up when > > > called. > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/104974 > > > > > > > > > Reconciling the numbers, what would the TMOrg need do, to > reconcile > > > with its people? It had got pretty ugly in recent years, what > could > > > the elements of a lasting peace and reconciliation for the TMorg > be > > > with its meditators? > > > > > > > > > Jai Guru Dev, > > > -Doug in FF > > > > > I'm not sure Doug. As a start, loose the crowns and robes (it > didn't > > work the first time, historically), stop suing or trying to > recertify > > the teachers. Start teaching TM for an honest price Stop hiding > > all the finances. Stop trying to accumulate property by any means. > The > > TMO has lost the good will of so many and become > untrustworthy > > > > JohnY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most sidhas here are or were doing other stuff. And > > > seeing > > > > > as how > > > > > > > someone else just got thrown out for that, how likely is > it > > > that > > > > > they'd > > > > > > > be open to the rest of us? (Not that there'd even be > that > > > many > > > > > willing > > > > > > > to go.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How likely is it that Maharishi would be open about it? > Why > > > even > > > > > > bother to ask? > > > > > > > > > > > > JohnY > > > > > > > > > > Well, you might be surprised by his answer; > > > > > If you never ask, you'll never know... > > > > > The Baghavad Gita states this, in: "Action is always > superior to > > > > > inaction", because at least you get an answer... > > > > > Didn't Maharishi hang out with some 'Heavy Dudes', in India? > > > > > Didn't he hang with peopl
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reconciling, the TMorg
I'm not sure Doug. As a start, loose the crowns and robes (it didn't work the first time, historically), stop suing or trying to re- certify the teachers. Start teaching TM for an honest price Stop hiding all the finances. Stop trying to accumulate property by any means. The TMO has lost the good will of so many and become untrustworthy JohnY Yes, these things in time would be helpful and nothing will happen unless they are done. Transparency keeps coming up at the problem. The first thing the accreditation team recently coached the Maharishi School for the Age of Enlightenment to do was to audit all parts of the school and report the audit to everyone. When hell freezes over is likely what the administrators and MMY think of course. The great quote recently is MMY to one of Mother Olsen's daughter's who was advising that the fees for basic meditation should be reduced, MMY's response accurately was, "Don't tell me how to run my business" Last contact and lost contact in that. As Hagelin said succinctly in a public meeting with TSR here, we got the best movement and the best guidelines we got now. Nothing is going to change evidently until after MMY. Wait until then for the best hope in all of this. Does that mean that MMY can't die fast enough to git out of the way? It is a sad deal for something that was so hopeful. Jai Guru Dev, -Doug in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" > wrote: > > > > Reconciling the past, > > > > >how likely is it that > > > they'd > > > > > be open to the rest of us? (Not that there'd even be that many > > > willing > > > > > to go.) > > > > > > > > > > Sal > > > > > > JohnY writes, > > The quaility of the current programs speak to both Maharishi's and > > the > > TMO's openness. That's why the participation is as it is. 27,000 > > siddha's ... less than 2000 participating. > > > > > > Doug writing: > > Yes, round numbers a million TM meditators taught in the US, with > > some tens of thousands of TM teachers taught, some tens of thousands > > people taught the TM0-sidhis; and a few hundreds show up when > > called. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/104974 > > > > > > Reconciling the numbers, what would the TMOrg need do, to reconcile > > with its people? It had got pretty ugly in recent years, what could > > the elements of a lasting peace and reconciliation for the TMorg be > > with its meditators? > > > > > > Jai Guru Dev, > > -Doug in FF > > > I'm not sure Doug. As a start, loose the crowns and robes (it didn't > work the first time, historically), stop suing or trying to recertify > the teachers. Start teaching TM for an honest price Stop hiding > all the finances. Stop trying to accumulate property by any means. The > TMO has lost the good will of so many and become untrustworthy > > JohnY > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > But most sidhas here are or were doing other stuff. And > > seeing > > > > as how > > > > > > someone else just got thrown out for that, how likely is it > > that > > > > they'd > > > > > > be open to the rest of us? (Not that there'd even be that > > many > > > > willing > > > > > > to go.) > > > > > > > > > > > > Sal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How likely is it that Maharishi would be open about it? Why > > even > > > > > bother to ask? > > > > > > > > > > JohnY > > > > > > > > Well, you might be surprised by his answer; > > > > If you never ask, you'll never know... > > > > The Baghavad Gita states this, in: "Action is always superior to > > > > inaction", because at least you get an answer... > > > > Didn't Maharishi hang out with some 'Heavy Dudes', in India? > > > > Didn't he hang with people like, Tat Wala Baba? > > > > Would Tat Wala Baba, be allowed in the Dome? > > > > So, I wouldn't be surprised, if someone would only ask... > > > > That has been the problem; there have been such controlling; > > > > People around Maharishi, that they intimidate; > > > > Even the asking of a perfectly relevant question: > > > > Very Sad!!! > > > > > > > > > > The quaility of the current programs speak to both Maharishi's and > > the > > > TMO's openness. That's why the participation is as it is. 27,000 > > > siddha's ... less than 2000 participating. That's actually more > > than I > > > expected > > > > > > JohnY > > > > > , > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reconciling, the TMorg, 'severing connection'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > A lasting peace and reconciliation? Reconciling the numbers, > > >what > > > > would the TMOrg need do, to reconcile > > > > with its people? It had got pretty ugly in recent years, what > > >could > > > > the elements of a lasting peace and reconciliation for the > TMorg > > > > with its meditators? > > > > The defining terms of the TMorg guidelines are still the same, > >that > > people must `sever all connection with other saints to > > participate'. That people sever all other spiritual practices of > > other saints and that people never reestablish a connection with > > other saints or the spiritual practices of other saints. That > > people must put this all in writing to join. > > > > > Jeanne "ShivaMa' wrote a terrific letter to MMY through Hagelin' > contact. It was a good letter which in the end asked these things: > 1)Give a Dome Badge to Whomsoever asks for one 2. Require only > this: that while one is in the Dome, they only do the prescribed > Dome Program 3 That everyone's personal choices regarding > Spiritual Matters remain their own and are totally respected. 4. > That a soul's choice of a "Personal Guru" is not forced upon them . > 5 That the Movement (Tmorg) is big enough to embrace all saints as > one expression of the same divinity. > > It is a good letter that is comprehensive of the problem. I will > try to get a whole digital version from Jeanne Shivama for general > reading. In a way, she was the perfect person for all of Fairfield > to go through the application process and smoke it out. > > Jai Guru Dev, > -Doug in FF MMY believes that dome participation is the fastest and most powerful technique available to gain enlightenment. If someone is so insensitive as to not see this for themselves, I suspect that MMY believes they aren't ready for or are simply not doing TM/TM-Sidhis, regardless of what they say. I have seen this first-hand, IMHO. I had a friend who learned the TM-Shidhis and who, if he didn't have time for a complete program, would practice Yogic Flying for 10 minutes, rather than TM for 10 minutes. He eventually became a Hare Krishna. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reconciling, the TMorg, 'severing connection'
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" > > wrote: > > > > > > A lasting peace and reconciliation? Reconciling the numbers, > >what > > > would the TMOrg need do, to reconcile > > > with its people? It had got pretty ugly in recent years, what > >could > > > the elements of a lasting peace and reconciliation for the TMorg > > > with its meditators? > > The defining terms of the TMorg guidelines are still the same, >that > people must `sever all connection with other saints to > participate'. That people sever all other spiritual practices of > other saints and that people never reestablish a connection with > other saints or the spiritual practices of other saints. That > people must put this all in writing to join. > Jeanne "ShivaMa' wrote a terrific letter to MMY through Hagelin' contact. It was a good letter which in the end asked these things: 1)Give a Dome Badge to Whomsoever asks for one 2. Require only this: that while one is in the Dome, they only do the prescribed Dome Program 3 That everyone's personal choices regarding Spiritual Matters remain their own and are totally respected. 4. That a soul's choice of a "Personal Guru" is not forced upon them . 5 That the Movement (Tmorg) is big enough to embrace all saints as one expression of the same divinity. It is a good letter that is comprehensive of the problem. I will try to get a whole digital version from Jeanne Shivama for general reading. In a way, she was the perfect person for all of Fairfield to go through the application process and smoke it out. Jai Guru Dev, -Doug in FF > > The personal interpretation of the administration (Jeff Cohen) is > that "M feels disappointed and that it is a betrayal of everything > he has given people", that it was never a guideline that "all sins > are forgiven" or to "forgive and forget" about people seeing other > spiritual saints. "But that from this moment the guidelines hold". > > > With the Tmorg, that regardless as MMY was saying when > asked, `forgive and forget' or the notion that "all sins are > forgiven" got about, that these are not the guidelines for doing the > group meditation program with the TMorg. "From this moment on the > guidelines hold" as Jeff Cohen directly explained to Jeannie Ryan > who they accuse of being an Ammachi devotee. An irony if you knew > Jeannie is that she is not a `devotee' of Ammachi. Regardless, > Jeannie was denied acceptance and entry to the dome group meditation > on campus on these terms and interpretation. That is the status > quo. It was a sad day in FF. > > JGD, > -Doug in FF > > > > > > > Word on the street > > > Evidently they (the TMOrg) are unchanged and intransient in their > positions, methods and ways. Unrepentant they are back to their > ways of insisting that people recant their visits with the saints > and also sign contracts, pledging to never be associated with or > see > the saints etc.. to be able to also meditate in the group > > meditations. > > > > "forgive and forget" was evidently a feel-good myth as ploy to > have > > people come in to register. > > > > For instance, ask Jeannie Ryan about her experience getting vetted > > this week for registration for the dome meditation program. > > > > > > > > Advice from real peace-mediators who go in to torn communities to > > help moderate peace between people, one of the first things they > try > > to do is to get a ceasefire at least between parties. There are > > other sequential steps in the process too. Contrition? The Tmorg > > is not even close to even a ceasefire with its meditating > community. > > > > > > > > > > > > For instance, while Ammachi visited FF this last month (July > 06), > > > thousands did come out of the woodwork here to see her. The > > > meetings became like a Kumla-Mela of the old FF TM meditating > > > community here. All kinds of lit good people coming out of the > > > countryside here. With the first two meetings Amma gave darshan > > to > > > about 4000 people here. A lot of those people were Fairfudlian > TM > > > people and their families. Then there was the next day and > night > > > program too. Possibly about 6000 darshans in total. > > > > > > Was interesting to see there were a lot more TM people `coming > > > out' this year with so many TM people now having been generally > > `de- > > > certified' and also with MUM & MSAE faculty and staff being `let > > go' > > > in recent years. Showed a lot of meditators in the community > > > unattached and un-beholden to MMY or the TMorg. > > > > > > That simply is, the state of the status quo in FF for the > TMOrg. > > > > > > It still leaves the practical questions: Reconciling the > numbers, > > > what would the TMOrg need do, to reconcile > > > with its people? It had got pretty ugly in recent years, what > could > > > the elements of a l
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reconciling, the TMorg
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reconciling, the TMorg on 8/4/06 10:03 AM, dhamiltony2k5 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For instance, ask Jeannie Ryan about her experience getting vetted this week for registration for the dome meditation program. Since most people here are not in a position to ask her, what’s the story? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reconciling, the TMorg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > A lasting peace and reconciliation? Reconciling the numbers, what > would the TMOrg need do, to reconcile > with its people? It had got pretty ugly in recent years, what could > the elements of a lasting peace and reconciliation for the TMorg > with its meditators? > Word on the street Evidently they (the TMOrg) are unchanged and intransient in their positions, methods and ways. Unrepentant they are back to their ways of insisting that people recant their visits with the saints and also sign contracts, pledging to never be associated with or see the saints etc.. to be able to also meditate in the group meditations. "forgive and forget" was evidently a feel-good myth as ploy to have people come in to register. For instance, ask Jeannie Ryan about her experience getting vetted this week for registration for the dome meditation program. Advice from real peace-mediators who go in to torn communities to help moderate peace between people, one of the first things they try to do is to get a ceasefire at least between parties. There are other sequential steps in the process too. Contrition? The Tmorg is not even close to even a ceasefire with its meditating community. > > For instance, while Ammachi visited FF this last month (July 06), > thousands did come out of the woodwork here to see her. The > meetings became like a Kumla-Mela of the old FF TM meditating > community here. All kinds of lit good people coming out of the > countryside here. With the first two meetings Amma gave darshan to > about 4000 people here. A lot of those people were Fairfudlian TM > people and their families. Then there was the next day and night > program too. Possibly about 6000 darshans in total. > > Was interesting to see there were a lot more TM people `coming > out' this year with so many TM people now having been generally `de- > certified' and also with MUM & MSAE faculty and staff being `let go' > in recent years. Showed a lot of meditators in the community > unattached and un-beholden to MMY or the TMorg. > > That simply is, the state of the status quo in FF for the TMOrg. > > It still leaves the practical questions: Reconciling the numbers, > what would the TMOrg need do, to reconcile > with its people? It had got pretty ugly in recent years, what could > the elements of a lasting peace and reconciliation for the TMorg be > with its meditators? > > -Doug in FF > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" > wrote: > > > > Reconciling the past, > > > > >how likely is it that > > > they'd > > > > > be open to the rest of us? (Not that there'd even be that > many > > > willing > > > > > to go.) > > > > > > > > > > Sal > > > > > > JohnY writes, > > The quaility of the current programs speak to both Maharishi's and > > the > > TMO's openness. That's why the participation is as it is. 27,000 > > siddha's ... less than 2000 participating. > > > > > > Doug writing: > > Yes, round numbers a million TM meditators taught in the US, with > > some tens of thousands of TM teachers taught, some tens of > thousands > > people taught the TM0-sidhis; and a few hundreds show up when > > called. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/104974 > > > > > > Reconciling the numbers, what would the TMOrg need do, to > reconcile > > with its people? It had got pretty ugly in recent years, what > could > > the elements of a lasting peace and reconciliation for the TMorg > be > > with its meditators? > > > > > > Jai Guru Dev, > > -Doug in FF > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > But most sidhas here are or were doing other stuff. And > > seeing > > > > as how > > > > > > someone else just got thrown out for that, how likely is > it > > that > > > > they'd > > > > > > be open to the rest of us? (Not that there'd even be that > > many > > > > willing > > > > > > to go.) > > > > > > > > > > > > Sal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How likely is it that Maharishi would be open about it? Why > > even > > > > > bother to ask? > > > > > > > > > > JohnY > > > > > > > > Well, you might be surprised by his answer; > > > > If you never ask, you'll never know... > > > > The Baghavad Gita states this, in: "Action is always superior > to > > > > inaction", because at least you get an answer... > > > > Didn't Maharishi hang out with some 'Heavy Dudes', in India? > > > > Didn't he hang with people like, Tat Wala Baba? > > > > Would Tat Wala Baba, be allowed in the Dome? > > > > So, I wouldn't be surprised,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reconciling, the TMorg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > Reconciling the numbers, what would the TMOrg need do, to reconcile > with its people? It had got pretty ugly in recent years, what could > the elements of a lasting peace and reconciliation for the TMorg be > with its meditators? > [snip] My suggestions: 1)The TMO's leader (Maharishi), its official spokespeople (Bevan, John et al) must readopt the original policy of the TMO (at least from the point in time when I got involved around '73) that the organisation must reflect the universal nature of the TM Technique. That is, no partisan statements about politics, countries, ethnic groups, etc. Teach TM and its ancillary programs and stay out of making comments on things such as genetically modified foods, how evil America, Israel and the CIA are, how wonderful Cuba and Zimbabwe are, etc. 2) Be honest. And that means: no manipulative statements or policies regarding things such as flying, as happened during its introduction in the late '70s. Be honest with the scientific research. 3) Treat the members of your organisation and the practitioners of the TM Program with respect and not like pieces of shit. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reconciling, the TMorg
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reconciling, the TMorg on 8/3/06 1:36 PM, dhamiltony2k5 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It still leaves the practical questions: Reconciling the numbers, what would the TMOrg need do, to reconcile with its people? It had got pretty ugly in recent years, what could the elements of a lasting peace and reconciliation for the TMorg be with its meditators? Free rubber chickens for everyone, regardless of spiritual affiliation? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reconciling, the TMorg
A lasting peace and reconciliation? Reconciling the numbers, what would the TMOrg need do, to reconcile with its people? It had got pretty ugly in recent years, what could the elements of a lasting peace and reconciliation for the TMorg with its meditators? For instance, while Ammachi visited FF this last month (July 06), thousands did come out of the woodwork here to see her. The meetings became like a Kumla-Mela of the old FF TM meditating community here. All kinds of lit good people coming out of the countryside here. With the first two meetings Amma gave darshan to about 4000 people here. A lot of those people were Fairfudlian TM people and their families. Then there was the next day and night program too. Possibly about 6000 darshans in total. Was interesting to see there were a lot more TM people `coming out' this year with so many TM people now having been generally `de- certified' and also with MUM & MSAE faculty and staff being `let go' in recent years. Showed a lot of meditators in the community unattached and un-beholden to MMY or the TMorg. That simply is, the state of the status quo in FF for the TMOrg. It still leaves the practical questions: Reconciling the numbers, what would the TMOrg need do, to reconcile with its people? It had got pretty ugly in recent years, what could the elements of a lasting peace and reconciliation for the TMorg be with its meditators? -Doug in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Reconciling the past, > > >how likely is it that > > they'd > > > > be open to the rest of us? (Not that there'd even be that many > > willing > > > > to go.) > > > > > > > > Sal > > > JohnY writes, > The quaility of the current programs speak to both Maharishi's and > the > TMO's openness. That's why the participation is as it is. 27,000 > siddha's ... less than 2000 participating. > > > Doug writing: > Yes, round numbers a million TM meditators taught in the US, with > some tens of thousands of TM teachers taught, some tens of thousands > people taught the TM0-sidhis; and a few hundreds show up when > called. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/104974 > > > Reconciling the numbers, what would the TMOrg need do, to reconcile > with its people? It had got pretty ugly in recent years, what could > the elements of a lasting peace and reconciliation for the TMorg be > with its meditators? > > > Jai Guru Dev, > -Doug in FF > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > But most sidhas here are or were doing other stuff. And > seeing > > > as how > > > > > someone else just got thrown out for that, how likely is it > that > > > they'd > > > > > be open to the rest of us? (Not that there'd even be that > many > > > willing > > > > > to go.) > > > > > > > > > > Sal > > > > > > > > > > > > > How likely is it that Maharishi would be open about it? Why > even > > > > bother to ask? > > > > > > > > JohnY > > > > > > Well, you might be surprised by his answer; > > > If you never ask, you'll never know... > > > The Baghavad Gita states this, in: "Action is always superior to > > > inaction", because at least you get an answer... > > > Didn't Maharishi hang out with some 'Heavy Dudes', in India? > > > Didn't he hang with people like, Tat Wala Baba? > > > Would Tat Wala Baba, be allowed in the Dome? > > > So, I wouldn't be surprised, if someone would only ask... > > > That has been the problem; there have been such controlling; > > > People around Maharishi, that they intimidate; > > > Even the asking of a perfectly relevant question: > > > Very Sad!!! > > > > > > > The quaility of the current programs speak to both Maharishi's and > the > > TMO's openness. That's why the participation is as it is. 27,000 > > siddha's ... less than 2000 participating. That's actually more > than I > > expected > > > > JohnY > > > , > .. . To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reconciling, the TMorg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Reconciling the past, > > >how likely is it that > > they'd > > > > be open to the rest of us? (Not that there'd even be that many > > willing > > > > to go.) > > > > > > > > Sal > > > JohnY writes, > The quaility of the current programs speak to both Maharishi's and > the > TMO's openness. That's why the participation is as it is. 27,000 > siddha's ... less than 2000 participating. > > > Doug writing: > Yes, round numbers a million TM meditators taught in the US, with > some tens of thousands of TM teachers taught, some tens of thousands > people taught the TM0-sidhis; and a few hundreds show up when > called. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/104974 > > > Reconciling the numbers, what would the TMOrg need do, to reconcile > with its people? It had got pretty ugly in recent years, what could > the elements of a lasting peace and reconciliation for the TMorg be > with its meditators? > > > Jai Guru Dev, > -Doug in FF > I'm not sure Doug. As a start, loose the crowns and robes (it didn't work the first time, historically), stop suing or trying to recertify the teachers. Start teaching TM for an honest price Stop hiding all the finances. Stop trying to accumulate property by any means. The TMO has lost the good will of so many and become untrustworthy JohnY > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > But most sidhas here are or were doing other stuff. And > seeing > > > as how > > > > > someone else just got thrown out for that, how likely is it > that > > > they'd > > > > > be open to the rest of us? (Not that there'd even be that > many > > > willing > > > > > to go.) > > > > > > > > > > Sal > > > > > > > > > > > > > How likely is it that Maharishi would be open about it? Why > even > > > > bother to ask? > > > > > > > > JohnY > > > > > > Well, you might be surprised by his answer; > > > If you never ask, you'll never know... > > > The Baghavad Gita states this, in: "Action is always superior to > > > inaction", because at least you get an answer... > > > Didn't Maharishi hang out with some 'Heavy Dudes', in India? > > > Didn't he hang with people like, Tat Wala Baba? > > > Would Tat Wala Baba, be allowed in the Dome? > > > So, I wouldn't be surprised, if someone would only ask... > > > That has been the problem; there have been such controlling; > > > People around Maharishi, that they intimidate; > > > Even the asking of a perfectly relevant question: > > > Very Sad!!! > > > > > > > The quaility of the current programs speak to both Maharishi's and > the > > TMO's openness. That's why the participation is as it is. 27,000 > > siddha's ... less than 2000 participating. That's actually more > than I > > expected > > > > JohnY > > > , > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
