[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY

2006-09-08 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know someone from the Cambridge center who had to wait two years to learn the sidhis because she had gone to counseling due to her parents' divorce. This was a few years after the sidhis were out. My bet is that

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

2006-09-08 Thread nablus108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: I see why you thought my analogy was poor. And it has gotten us way past the point I was making. I don't think people are stupid, period. I

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

2006-09-08 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To leave Maharishiji after many years of meditation for some other practice is a spiritual suicide. -- SriPadbaba, Vrindavan, India, 1990 I believe Benjamin Creme. He is the one to guide us in this time of trouble.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

2006-09-08 Thread Peter
--- nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To leave Maharishiji after many years of meditation for some other practice is a spiritual suicide. SriPadbaba, Vrindavan, India, 1990 Did you make this up? If it is authentic, out of what authority does this guy speak? Waking state dogma,

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

2006-09-07 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The obvious question is WHY? WHY is Maharishi so threatened by the idea of his students being exposed to the knowledge of other spiritual

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

2006-09-07 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Me, I don't know. I tend to believe that he's never wanted any of his students to be able to compare him to other teachers, for fear that he won't measure up. You know...the marry a virgin so they won't have any

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

2006-09-07 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Sep 7, 2006, at 8:48 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Me, I don't know. I tend to believe that he's never wanted any of his students to be able to compare him to other teachers, for fear that he won't measure up. You

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY

2006-09-07 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I first noticed something odd when even counseling was given a bum rap, and they started to ask questions about if you'd ever had any. Seemed very personal and none of their business. On the other hand, the TMO

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

2006-09-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip Me, I don't know. I tend to believe that he's never wanted any of his students to be able to compare him to other teachers, for fear that he

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

2006-09-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 7, 2006, at 8:48 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip Me, I don't know. I tend to believe that he's never wanted any of his students to be able to

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY

2006-09-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: snip I first noticed something odd when even counseling was given a bum rap, and they started to ask questions about if you'd ever had any.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

2006-09-07 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 7, 2006, at 8:48 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip Me, I don't know. I tend to believe that he's never wanted any of his students to be able

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

2006-09-07 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$ Someone was actually told by the course office, as an explanation of why they shouldnt visit Amma, that she gives out mantras and she competes for donations. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

2006-09-07 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip Me, I don't know. I tend to believe that he's never wanted any of his

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY

2006-09-07 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Sep 7, 2006, at 9:17 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I first noticed something odd when even counseling was given a bum rap, and they started to ask questions about if you'd ever had any. Seemed very personal and

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY

2006-09-07 Thread hermandan0
A friend of mine who was on one of the long courses in Dubrovnik during the 90s said that Nandkashore made a special trip to the course to deliver a message directly from Maharishi that no one should be harassed about anything they read and that what Governors (and Sidhas) do (read) on their own

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

2006-09-07 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Sep 7, 2006, at 9:34 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 7, 2006, at 8:48 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip Me, I don't know. I tend to believe that he's

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY

2006-09-07 Thread wmurphy77
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: snip I first noticed something odd when even counseling was given a bum

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY

2006-09-07 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY on 9/7/06 9:47 AM, Sal Sunshine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 7, 2006, at 9:17 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I first

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY

2006-09-07 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY on 9/7/06 9:47 AM, hermandan0 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A friend of mine who was on one of the long courses in Dubrovnik during the 90s said that Nandkashore made a special trip to the course to deliver a message directly from Maharishi

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY

2006-09-07 Thread hermandan0
That's my understanding too, with the added caveat that the therapist wouldn't try to interfere with meidation practice or instrucions. The frequency was/is seeing a therapist once a week or less often, with the idea being that the four steps of instruction can take place in between therapy

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY

2006-09-07 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 7, 2006, at 9:17 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: snip I first noticed something odd when even counseling was given a bum rap, and they

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY

2006-09-07 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It used to be that if you were in an intense therapeutic relationship (I forget the frequency) you couldn¹t get initiated at all, but if you were seeing a therapist less frequently, you could get initiated but

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

2006-09-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone was actually told by the course office, as an explanation of why they shouldn¹t visit Amma, that ³she gives out mantras and she competes for donations.² And? Yahoo! Groups

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY

2006-09-07 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Sep 7, 2006, at 9:56 AM, Rick Archer wrote: on 9/7/06 9:47 AM, Sal Sunshine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 7, 2006, at 9:17 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY

2006-09-07 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/7/06 9:47 AM, hermandan0 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A friend of mine who was on one of the long courses in Dubrovnik during the 90s said that Nandkashore made a special trip to the course to deliver a

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

2006-09-07 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 7, 2006, at 9:34 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Sep 7, 2006, at 8:48 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY

2006-09-07 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Sep 7, 2006, at 10:12 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 7, 2006, at 9:17 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: snip I first noticed something odd when even

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY

2006-09-07 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: It used to be that if you were in an intense therapeutic relationship (I forget the frequency) you couldn¹t get initiated at all, but if you were

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY

2006-09-07 Thread markmeredith2002
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: snip I first noticed something odd when even counseling was given a bum rap, and they started to ask questions about if you'd ever had any.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY

2006-09-07 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] The big WHY is easy: MMY wants what is best for YOU and the WORLD! There's no conspiracy here, how many here would have started TM if it was taught in the traditional wayvery few, Not only would I have not

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

2006-09-07 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Sep 7, 2006, at 10:24 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 7, 2006, at 9:34 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Sep 7, 2006, at 8:48 AM, authfriend wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY

2006-09-07 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 7, 2006, at 9:56 AM, Rick Archer wrote: snip It used to be that if you were in an intense therapeutic relationship (I forget the frequency) you couldn't get initiated at all, but if you were seeing a

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

2006-09-07 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

2006-09-07 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

2006-09-07 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The reason I see this issue this way is that I tend to believe in the fundamental goal and actions of Maharishi, for now. The point here is that two people can look at exactly the same thing and reach two

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

2006-09-07 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: snip The reason I see this issue this way is that I tend to believe in the fundamental goal and actions of Maharishi, for now. The point

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY

2006-09-07 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: snip I first noticed something odd when even counseling was given

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

2006-09-07 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 7, 2006, at 10:24 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Sep 7, 2006, at 9:34 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

2006-09-07 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: With all due respect, and chuckling, if you honestly believe that your mind and body and the coordination between them are so weak that you would

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

2006-09-07 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: With all due respect, and chuckling, if you honestly believe that your

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

2006-09-07 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: A shorter, and more appropriate answer might have been, You're

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

2006-09-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: snip I tend to see it as a question of common sense. If I am being taught

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

2006-09-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: A shorter, and more appropriate answer might have been, You're

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

2006-09-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

2006-09-07 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I see why you thought my analogy was poor. And it has gotten us way past the point I was making. I don't think people are stupid, period. I just believe in a cautious approach with complex tasks and practices, and

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY

2006-09-07 Thread markmeredith2002
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip That was a distinct change from when I learned, when Bloomfield, a psychiatrist, was all the rage in TM circles. I knew several TMers who were themselves therapists. Yeah too bad he's still not the rage --

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

2006-09-07 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: I see why you thought my analogy was poor. And it has gotten us way past the point I was making. I don't think people are stupid, period. I

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY

2006-09-07 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip That was a distinct change from when I learned, when Bloomfield, a psychiatrist, was all the rage in TM circles. I knew several TMers

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY

2006-09-07 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 7, 2006, at 10:12 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: It was why they asked people who wanted to learn TM whether they were currently in

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY

2006-09-07 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . Typical reasons that used to be given for that attitude are that counseling is just analyzing the darkness and doesn't work and that it implies MMY's program and knowledge is not enough for an individual to

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

2006-09-07 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: I see why you thought my analogy was poor. And it has gotten us way past the point I was making. I don't think people are stupid, period. I just

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

2006-09-07 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: snip Have you ever taught someone to drive simultaneously on both the right AND left sides of the street? No, but my neighbors here have, and

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY

2006-09-07 Thread markmeredith2002
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 markmeredith@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip That was a distinct change from when I learned, when

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY

2006-09-07 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Sep 7, 2006, at 1:38 PM, new.morning wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 7, 2006, at 10:12 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: It was why they asked people who wanted to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY

2006-09-07 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY on 9/7/06 1:38 PM, new.morning at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was on the first wave of governors teaching the intitial phases of the citizen sidha courses in 1977. I was shocked and appalled when several people, among the best and brightest

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY

2006-09-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip That was a distinct change from when I learned, when Bloomfield, a psychiatrist, was all the rage in TM circles. I knew several TMers

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY

2006-09-07 Thread gullible fool
I know someone from the Cambridge center who had to wait two years to learn the sidhis because she had gone to counseling due to her parents' divorce. This was a few years after the sidhis were out. --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/7/06 1:38 PM, new.morning at [EMAIL PROTECTED]