Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

--- nablus108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "To leave Maharishiji after many years of meditation > for some other > practice is a spiritual suicide." > > SriPadbaba, Vrindavan, India, 1990 Did you make this up? If it is authentic, out of what authority does this guy speak? Waking state dog

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablus108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "To leave Maharishiji after many years of meditation for > some other practice is a spiritual suicide." > -- SriPadbaba, Vrindavan, India, 1990 "I believe Benjamin Creme. He is the one to guide us in this time of t

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" wrote: > > > > I see why you thought my analogy was poor. And it has gotten us way > > past the point I was making. I don't think people are stupid, > > period.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I know someone from the Cambridge center who had to > wait two years to learn the sidhis because she had > gone to counseling due to her parents' divorce. This > was a few years after the sidhis were out. My bet

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY

I know someone from the Cambridge center who had to wait two years to learn the sidhis because she had gone to counseling due to her parents' divorce. This was a few years after the sidhis were out. --- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 9/7/06 1:38 PM, new.morning at > [EMAIL PROTECTED

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > snip > > > That was a distinct change from when I learned, when > > Bloomfield, a psychiatrist, was all the rage in TM > > circles. I knew sev

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY on 9/7/06 1:38 PM, new.morning at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I was on the first wave of governors teaching the intitial phases of > the citizen sidha courses in 1977. I was shocked and appalled when > several people, among the best and brig

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY

On Sep 7, 2006, at 1:38 PM, new.morning wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >> On Sep 7, 2006, at 10:12 AM, authfriend wrote: >> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine >>> wrote: >>> It was why they asked people who want

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > snip > > > > > That was a distinct change from when I learned, when >

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" wrote: > > Have you > > ever taught someone to drive simultaneously on both the right AND > > left sides of the street? > > No, but my neighbors here have, and

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" wrote: > > > > I see why you thought my analogy was poor. And it has gotten us > > way past the point I was making. I don't think people are stupid, > > period. I

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >. > > Typical reasons that used to be given for that attitude are that > counseling is just analyzing the darkness and doesn't work and that it > implies MMY's program and knowledge is not enough for an indivi

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sep 7, 2006, at 10:12 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > > wrote: > >> > > It was why they asked people who wanted to learn TM > > whether they were currently in ther

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > snip > > > That was a distinct change from when I learned, when > > Bloomfield, a psychiatrist, was all the rage in TM > > circles. I knew sev

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > snip > That was a distinct change from when I learned, when > Bloomfield, a psychiatrist, was all the rage in TM > circles. I knew several TMers who were themselves > therapists. Yeah too bad he's still not the rage

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" wrote: > > > > I see why you thought my analogy was poor. And it has gotten us way > > past the point I was making. I don't think people are stupid, > > period.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I see why you thought my analogy was poor. And it has gotten us way > past the point I was making. I don't think people are stupid, > period. I just believe in a cautious approach with complex tasks and > practic

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Wi

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > wrote: > > > > > > A shorter, and more appropriate answer might have been, > > > "You're right...t

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > wrote: > > > > I tend to see it as a question of common sense. If I am being > taught > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > wrote: > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > > > wrote: > > > --

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > wrote: > > > > > > A shorter, and more appropriate answer might have been, > > > "You're right..

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > wrote: > > > > A shorter, and more appropriate answer might have been, > > "You're right...that was a really dumb analogy." :-) > > I wouldn't have written it in

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > wrote: > > > > > > With all due respect, and chuckling, if you honestly > > > believe that your m

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > wrote: > > > > > > With all due respect, and chuckling, if you honestly > > > believe that your mi

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > wrote: > > > > With all due respect, and chuckling, if you honestly > > believe that your mind and body and the coordination > > between them are so weak that you w

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" wrote: > > I tend to see it as a question of common sense. If I am being taught > > to drive in the US on the right side of the road, and before I am > > confid

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Sep 7, 2006, at 10:24 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > > wrote: > >> > >> On Sep 7, 2006, at 9:34 AM, authfriend wrote: > >> > >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogro

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sep 7, 2006, at 10:12 AM, authfriend wrote: > > It was why they asked people who wanted to learn TM > > whether they were currently in therapy. (As I recall, > > the TM-Sidhis application wanted to know whether

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > > wrote: > > > > > I first noticed something odd when even counseling was given > > > a

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > wrote: > > > The reason I see this issue this way is that I tend to believe in > > the fundamental goal and actions of Maharishi, for now. The point > > h

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The reason I see this issue this way is that I tend to believe in > the fundamental goal and actions of Maharishi, for now. The point > here is that two people can look at exactly the same thing and reach > two

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > wrote: > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > > > wrote: > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" > > wrote: > > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sep 7, 2006, at 9:56 AM, Rick Archer wrote: > > It used to be that if you were in an intense therapeutic > > relationship (I forget the frequency) you couldn't get > > initiated at all, but if you were seeing a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

On Sep 7, 2006, at 10:24 AM, authfriend wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >> On Sep 7, 2006, at 9:34 AM, authfriend wrote: >> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine >>> wrote: On Sep 7, 2006, at 8:48 AM, authfrie

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > The big WHY is easy: MMY wants what is best for YOU and the WORLD! > There's no conspiracy here, how many here would have started TM if it > was taught in the traditional wayvery few, Not only would I have

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > wrote: > > > I first noticed something odd when even counseling was given > > a bum rap, and they started to ask questions about if you'd ever > > had any. See

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer wrote: > > > > It used to be that if you were in an intense therapeutic > > relationship (I forget the frequency) you couldn¹t get > > initiated at all, but if you we

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY

On Sep 7, 2006, at 10:12 AM, authfriend wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >> On Sep 7, 2006, at 9:17 AM, authfriend wrote: >> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine >>> wrote: >>> I first noticed something odd when ev

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sep 7, 2006, at 9:34 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > > wrote: > >> > >> On Sep 7, 2006, at 8:48 AM, authfriend wrote: > >> > >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 9/7/06 9:47 AM, hermandan0 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >> > A friend of mine who was on one of the long courses in Dubrovnik > >> > during the 90s said that Nandkashore made a special trip to the course > >>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" > wrote: > > > > > > The obvious question is WHY? > > > > > > WHY is Maharishi so threatened by

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY

On Sep 7, 2006, at 9:56 AM, Rick Archer wrote: > on 9/7/06 9:47 AM, Sal Sunshine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > On Sep 7, 2006, at 9:17 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > >> , Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Someone was actually told by the course office, as an explanation of why > they shouldn¹t visit Amma, that ³she gives out mantras and she competes for > donations.² > And? Yahoo! Groups

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It used to be that if you were in an intense therapeutic > relationship (I forget the frequency) you couldn¹t get > initiated at all, but if you were seeing a therapist less > frequently, you could get initiated but

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sep 7, 2006, at 9:17 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > > wrote: > > > >> I first noticed something odd when even counseling was given > >> a bum rap, and they star

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY

That's my understanding too, with the added caveat that the therapist wouldn't try to interfere with meidation practice or instrucions. The frequency was/is seeing a therapist once a week or less often, with the idea being that the four steps of instruction can take place in between therapy session

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY on 9/7/06 9:47 AM, hermandan0 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > A friend of mine who was on one of the long courses in Dubrovnik > during the 90s said that Nandkashore made a special trip to the course > to deliver a message directly from Mahar

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY on 9/7/06 9:47 AM, Sal Sunshine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Sep 7, 2006, at 9:17 AM, authfriend wrote: > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >> , Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> >>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > > wrote: > > > > > I first noticed something odd when even counseling was given > > > a bum rap,

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > > wrote: > > > > > I first noticed something odd when even counseling was given > > > a bum rap,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

On Sep 7, 2006, at 9:34 AM, authfriend wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >> On Sep 7, 2006, at 8:48 AM, authfriend wrote: >> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > wrote: >>> Me, I don't know. I tend to believe that h

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY

A friend of mine who was on one of the long courses in Dubrovnik during the 90s said that Nandkashore made a special trip to the course to deliver a message directly from Maharishi that no one should be harassed about anything they read and that what Governors (and Sidhas) do (read) on their own ti

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY

On Sep 7, 2006, at 9:17 AM, authfriend wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> I first noticed something odd when even counseling was given >> a bum rap, and they started to ask questions about if you'd ever >> had any. Seemed very personal a

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > Me, I don't know. I tend to believe that he's never > > > wanted any of his students

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY  $$$ Someone was actually told by the course office, as an explanation of why they shouldn’t visit Amma, that “she gives out mantras and she competes for donations.” __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sep 7, 2006, at 8:48 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > >> Me, I don't know. I tend to believe that he's never > >> wanted any of his students to be able

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > wrote: > > > I first noticed something odd when even counseling was given > > a bum rap, and they started to ask questions about if you'd ever > > had any. See

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sep 7, 2006, at 8:48 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > >> Me, I don't know. I tend to believe that he's never > >> wanted any of his students to be able to

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > Me, I don't know. I tend to believe that he's never > > wanted any of his students to be able to compare him > > to other teachers, for fear that he won'

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I first noticed something odd when even counseling was given > a bum rap, and they started to ask questions about if you'd ever > had any. Seemed very personal and none of their business. On the other hand, the TMO

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

On Sep 7, 2006, at 8:48 AM, authfriend wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Me, I don't know. I tend to believe that he's never >> wanted any of his students to be able to compare him >> to other teachers, for fear that he won't "measure >> up.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Me, I don't know. I tend to believe that he's never > wanted any of his students to be able to compare him > to other teachers, for fear that he won't "measure > up." You know...the "marry a virgin so they won't > have

[FairfieldLife] Re: The big WHY $$$

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > The obvious question is WHY? > > > > WHY is Maharishi so threatened by the idea of his > > students being exposed to the knowledge of other > > sp