On Mar 3, 2006, at 10:24 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote:--- Vaj wrote: dying is easier than I thought :-) Now there's an ability that may come in handy someday. All the better reason to practice dying now :-).
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On Mar 3, 2006, at 12:17 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote:--- Vaj wrote: In the 80's, I was invited by three close friends--an old TM teacher, an MIU grad and a Sidha, to confront Robin Woodsworth Carlsen who was then living in an apartment in Washington DC. It was actually my first time at
on 3/3/06 10:37 PM, anonyff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness
on 3/2/06 11:14 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Would you like to see the scar on my ass?
I'd love to show that to you! :-)
Reminds me of Forrest Gump and LBJ.
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on 3/2/06 11:57 AM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip perhaps I felt it in bad
form to talk of my own pointing-out and recognition, brag about it
in
public or discuss the details of how the View was tested and
on 3/2/06 12:45 PM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't think it's like that. I don't think it's *ever*
been like that. Shankara farted and shat just like
everyone else does.
I read that he had an anal fistula that bled and caused him a great deal of
discomfort.
On Mar 2, 2006, at 1:39 PM, Rick Archer wrote:but I have a hard time believing that people like Eckhart Tolle and Bernadette Roberts are not enlightened merely because they couldn't be oblivious to having a nail driven through their foot or that they cast a shadow. I think he's raising the bar
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness
on 3/2/06 1:38 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well let's not take these two items out of context. The nail story of Vimalananda refers to a person who claimed the ability to be in a certain type of samadhi
on 3/2/06 3:30 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As far as I can tell, Vaj is misinterpretting/over-interpretting some
text taht talks about how even a nail driven into one's hand won't
takethem out of samadhi. But that's the definition of CC. Screaming
isn't relevant to witnessing.
On Mar 2, 2006, at 4:30 PM, sparaig wrote:As far as I can tell, Vaj is misinterpretting/over-interpretting some text taht talks about how even a nail driven into one's hand won't takethem out of samadhi. But that's the definition of CC. Screaming isn't relevant to witnessing. Actually the
On Mar 2, 2006, at 2:47 PM, Rick Archer wrote:on 3/2/06 1:38 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well let's not take these two items out of context. The nail story of Vimalananda refers to a person who claimed the ability to be in a certain type of samadhi. The fact that he did experience pain
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness
on 3/2/06 3:53 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Rick, wasn't it you who shared the story of M. and the meeting with another meditation teacher whose students could go into an insensate samadhi?
Yes, I told
On Mar 2, 2006, at 6:07 PM, Rick Archer wrote:No. I’m sure such things are possible. There are stories in the Puranas too. My only point is that I’m not convinced that such an ability is an essential prerequisite for enlightenment. But that’s really just an opinion based on my current knowledge
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness
on 3/2/06 5:46 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mar 2, 2006, at 6:07 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
No. Im sure such things are possible. There are stories in the Puranas too. My only point is that Im not convinced
On Mar 2, 2006, at 8:25 PM, Rick Archer wrote:on 3/2/06 5:46 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:On Mar 2, 2006, at 6:07 PM, Rick Archer wrote:No. I’m sure such things are possible. There are stories in the Puranas too. My only point is that I’m not convinced that such an ability is an essential
on 3/2/06 8:48 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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on 3/2/06 5:46 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
I used to receive a hand-typed newsletter from someone on Purusha
and he also described a similar
--- tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
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TorquiseB writes: snipped
Those who say
that they have experienced the goal that is shared
by pretty much the entire group (for example,
enlightenment) are regularly dissed by those in
the group who have not had such an
On Feb 28, 2006, at 11:05 PM, purushaz wrote:---Statement below (Enlightened person has an option to stop pain) is incorrect. Enlightenment does not imply particular (or any) Siddhis, which have to do with relative endeavors.. Why stop with control over pain? Why not say that Enlightened
On Mar 1, 2006, at 7:17 AM, Peter wrote:--- tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TorquiseB writes: snipped Those who say that they have experienced the goal that is shared by pretty much the entire group (for example, enlightenment) are regularly dissed by those in the
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On Mar 1, 2006, at 7:17 AM, Peter wrote:
--- tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
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TorquiseB writes: snipped
Those who say
that they have experienced the goal that is
shared
by pretty much the entire group (for
on 3/1/06 9:06 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
FWIW, I've never encountered it in TM, to the
contrary. What I've observed has been a
tendency to be deferential to those who
claimed or were rumored to be enlightened.
In certain quarters of Fairfield, especially MUM, people don't
on 3/1/06 10:03 AM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
on 3/1/06 9:06 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
FWIW, I've never encountered it in TM, to the
contrary. What I've observed has been a
--- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
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on 3/1/06 9:06 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
FWIW, I've never encountered it in TM, to the
contrary. What I've observed has been a
tendency to
On Mar 1, 2006, at 11:16 AM, markmeredith2002 wrote:Personally I'm wary of anyone making E claims and prefer orgs that don't even use the word. IMO, energywise, "being enlightened" is just the new age-eastern version of "being saved by Jesus". I loved this! Yes, you've described the conversion
on 3/1/06 10:02 AM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
on 3/1/06 9:06 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
FWIW, I've never encountered it in TM, to the
contrary. What I've observed has been a
On Mar 1, 2006, at 10:13 AM, Peter wrote:And sad. A collective cheer should go up forrealization, not a hiss. The kiss of Mara. I'm guessing this would be a bad time to bring upthe possibility that the mutual complicity inherent in satsangculture is actually Spiritual Codependence?Never mind
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..
on 3/1/06 10:23 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mar 1, 2006, at 10:13 AM, Peter wrote:
And sad. A collective cheer should go up for
realization, not a hiss. The kiss of Mara.
I'm guessing this would
On Mar 1, 2006, at 11:38 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote:--- Rick Archer wrote: jim_flanegin wrote: Just curious Rick if you would elaborate on "the Robin Carlson legacy". Thanks It's quite a story, and I don't have time to tell it at length, but about 25 years ago Canadian Governor Robin Carlson
I would hasten to point out that I have also experienced satsangs which were very positive and evolutionary in my mere opinion. The previous only refers to what I've experienced in a more "neoadvaita" kind of gathering.On Mar 1, 2006, at 11:50 AM, feste37 wrote:Very nice post. Satsang as a way
On Mar 1, 2006, at 10:13 AM, Peter wrote:And sad. A collective cheer should go up for realization, not a hiss. The kiss of Mara. I'm guessing this would be a bad time to bring up the possibility that the mutual complicity inherent in satsang culture is actually Spiritual Codependence?
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..
on 3/1/06 10:57 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would hasten to point out that I have also experienced satsangs which were very positive and evolutionary in my mere opinion. The previous only refers to what I've
On Mar 1, 2006, at 12:42 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:I can certainly see from one POV how a group of awakened individuals could appear to have some silent codependent agreement with one another, driven by ego satisfaction. And how from this same POV, there is no argument and little criticism
On Mar 1, 2006, at 11:40 AM, Rick Archer wrote:on 3/1/06 10:23 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:On Mar 1, 2006, at 10:13 AM, Peter wrote:And sad. A collective cheer should go up forrealization, not a hiss. The kiss of Mara.I'm guessing this would be a bad time to bring upthe possibility that
On Mar 1, 2006, at 12:39 PM, Rick Archer wrote:on 3/1/06 10:57 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I would hasten to point out that I have also experienced satsangs which were very positive and evolutionary in my mere opinion. The previous only refers to what I've experienced in a more
On Mar 1, 2006, at 3:59 PM, Marek Reavis wrote:**Comment below** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: **SNIP** One disconcerting thing that was obvious very soon and persisted throughout these sessions was the almost absolute infrequency with which
On Mar 1, 2006, at 5:39 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/28/06 10:32 AM, wmurphy77 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: YOu would be correct if you were talking about the Gita where MMY talks about many 'births' to realize Being, that is
On Mar 1, 2006, at 10:53 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 1, 2006, at 5:39 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 2/28/06 10:32 AM, wmurphy77 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: YOu
On Feb 28, 2006, at 1:08 AM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The true definition of "Cosmic Consciousness" is samadhi 24/7/365 -- so what does that tell you about their promises about enlightenment? That they were overly optimistic. duh
On Feb 28, 2006, at 8:27 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote:We've had a half-dozen contributors to this list who profess to be functioning from Brahman. I've read that the larger Fairfield community has a dozen or so who've awakened. MUM says it's doing research on a dozen or so people in CC. I get
On Feb 28, 2006, at 9:56 AM, jim_flanegin wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 28, 2006, at 8:27 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote: We've had a half-dozen contributors to this list who profess to be functioning from Brahman. I've read that the larger
On Feb 28, 2006, at 10:44 AM, jim_flanegin wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 28, 2006, at 9:52 AM, Rick Archer wrote: on 2/27/06 6:41 PM, wmurphy77 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is the most realistic estimate any TM'er (Charlie Lutes) ever
on 2/28/06 12:08 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
The true definition of Cosmic Consciousness is samadhi 24/7/365 --
so what does that tell you about their promises about enlightenment?
That they were overly
On Feb 28, 2006, at 11:03 AM, jim_flanegin wrote:Am I? Yes, it is you who are self-defining the reality to which you are reacting. Hence, it is all you.Because there is gold there is also fools gold--if they are all one, then fine. I'll take the gold you take the fool's gold. Don't worry,
on 2/28/06 10:19 AM, wmurphy77 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I see you are doing the same thing, that is, stating the 'party'
line, do you think we could go beyond that and talk as grown-up
adults. I mean, I can take it, you know...7 lifetimes, OK! 700 years
which is NOTHING in the grand
on 2/28/06 10:32 AM, wmurphy77 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
YOu would be correct if you were talking about the Gita where MMY
talks about many 'births' to realize Being, that is death to
materiality and Resurrection in Spirit and back being ONE birth, but
this is NOT what Charlie was
On Feb 28, 2006, at 12:33 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: And who's to say this isn't their 7th lifetime, or whatever? That's it. That was also Papaji's point
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness...
on 2/28/06 11:40 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, many would rather wallow in the inertia of their 'seeker'
identity, proclaiming enlightenment can't be so, because of this, and
that, and the other
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wrote:
on 2/28/06 10:32 AM, wmurphy77 at
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YOu would be correct if you were talking about the
Gita where MMY
talks about many 'births' to realize Being, that
is death to
materiality and Resurrection in Spirit and back
being
On Feb 28, 2006, at 1:10 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" jflanegi@ wrote: --- In
On Feb 28, 2006, at 1:08 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 28, 2006, at 12:33 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
On Feb 28, 2006, at 12:48 PM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: That's it. That was also Papaji's point
On Feb 28, 2006, at 1:18 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 28, 2006, at 1:10 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@
On Feb 28, 2006, at 1:40 PM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 28, 2006, at 12:48 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" jflanegi@
On Feb 28, 2006, at 12:48 PM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: That's it. That was also Papaji's
On Feb 28, 2006, at 12:56 PM, Rick Archer wrote:on 2/28/06 11:40 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, many would rather wallow in the inertia of their 'seeker' identity, proclaiming enlightenment can't be so, because of this, and that, and the other thing... What if they didn't fall for the
on 2/28/06 3:14 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Charlie elaborated on the 7 lifetimes from time to time.
1. A maximum of 7 lifetimes once you are initiated into TM, even if
you meditated a few times and stopped.
2. Initiates attracted to TM because of an interest in
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