Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is there much of any truth to Counter-Revolutionary poison?
On 3/23/2014 2:42 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: *I don't think he was fibbing. What he said was that all they were selling was TM, and that's surely correct as far as it goes. * I guess I'm just not understanding what his motives are - persuade you to stop doing the TMSP and join him in his crusade? Do the parents of the children in public schools have to pay money to learn TM for the Quiet Time?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is there much of any truth to Counter-Revolutionary poison?
I wonder too - given the fact that no independent researchers have ever confirmed any TM research, I think no one has to worry, particularly when most of the so called independent reviewers are TM plants working for the Movement. When Larry Husten published the details of the Bob Schneider paper that claimed to show heart related improvement from TM and I weighed in on the details of TM deception, one of the TM plants claimed that only Bob Schneider was a TM person - all the others who presented the paper were not TM - I recognized ALL of their names, most of whom had been on MIU faculty at one time. Speaking of TM science, here is an EXCELLENT write up about that very thing. http://www.process.org/discept/2010/01/30/lies-levitation-and-defamations-most-foul/ On Sun, 3/23/14, lengli...@cox.net lengli...@cox.net wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is there much of any truth to Counter-Revolutionary poison? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 23, 2014, 6:31 AM There's a huge concerted effort (by the massive 26 members) to attempt to sabatoge any and all QUiet Time Schools in San Francisco. Mjackson is apparently a member. https://www.facebook.com/pages/SF-Parents-Against-TM-in-Public-Schools/201123776750702 Wondering how they will respond if the preliminary PTSD research of the effects of TM on war refugees is confirmed by independent researchers. L
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On 3/23/2014 1:31 AM, lengli...@cox.net wrote: There's a huge concerted effort (by the massive 26 members) to attempt to sabatoge any and all QUiet Time Schools in San Francisco. Mjackson is apparently a member. https://www.facebook.com/pages/SF-Parents-Against-TM-in-Public-Schools/201123776750702 In case you didn't know, M. Jackson is apparently working for John Knapp at TM-Free.
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John Knapp has long since left TM-Free. Mike Doughney runs it now, has been for several years.. There's a huge concerted effort (by the massive 26 members) to attempt to sabatoge any and all QUiet Time Schools in San Francisco. Mjackson is apparently a member. https://www.facebook.com/pages/SF-Parents-Against-TM-in-Public-Schools/201123776750702 https://www.facebook.com/pages/SF-Parents-Against-TM-in-Public-Schools/201123776750702 In case you didn't know, M. Jackson is apparently working for John Knapp at TM-Free.
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On 3/23/2014 7:40 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: Speaking of TM science, here is an EXCELLENT write up about that very thing. http://www.process.org/discept/2010/01/30/lies-levitation-and-defamations-most-foul/ It looks like it's all settled then - there's no levitation. Barry must have been hallucinating. After MJ posting this report, is there anyone still out there that still believes in the TMSP or that they ever saw anyone ever levitate? We haven't heard from Judy on this subject - I wonder why? She seemed to let Barry off lightly on this subject. Where I come from, silence usually indicates agreement. Go figure. Worse than my failure to appreciate the science of the Maharishi Effect, is the fact that I’ve dismissed out-of-hand, as absurd, TM™’s Yogic Flying – the claim that TM™ meditators may achieve levitation. http://www.process.org/discept/2010/01/30/lies-levitation-and-defamations-most-foul/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is there much of any truth to Counter-Revolutionary poison?
Oh, and there is no attempt to sabotage any and all Quiet Time schools. Isn't it interesting that you characterize them as Quiet Time schools rather than schools where quiet time program has been implemented? I became aware of one woman who started the facebook page you mention. She got a permission slip from her son's school asking her to sign to allow her son to participate in the Quiet Time program. She wanted to know more since there was really no clear description of the program. When she learned it was TM with its Hindu underpinnings, replete with secret mantras, Sanskrit puja and a pic of a Hindu guru for the kids to bow to, she became concerned that the practice was violating the no religion in public school barrier. As she looker further at the TMO's marketing of TM related programs she became more alarmed especially after receiving evasive and circular answers from the TM people about her concerns. She then began to lobby to get the program removed from her son's school. At the end of it, the school principal informed her that at their school, the teachers collectively had a say in what extracurricular programs were offered there. So after her speaking to the school board and having other parents express their concerns as well, the teachers themselves voted to give the TMO the boot. The teachers at this school did it, mind you, not the school board or the principle. Subsequently this lady called all the other schools that were listed by the Lynch Foundation as having Quiet Time. Two schools still have it, but at least two others have given the TMO the heave ho. I asked if she knew why they had been kicked out and she told me she was so relieved to hear they were gone she didn't think to ask. But she did say this: Each time, I heard a pretty emphatic not here and not anymore. Now this brings up an opportunity for folks to examine what they believe about the effect of TM in the world. On one hand we have the TMO with all its advertising and celebrity endorsements of TM, you have the effect of supposedly thousands of people practicing TMSP in groups. The effects of pundits doing TMSP and yagyas, a supposedly burgeoning number of new TM meditators all of whom are not only doing TM and TMSP and yagyas but hoping and desiring to have TM taught universally. On the other hand, we have one woman with a desire for transparency and her own determination who got TM kicked out of one school added at least 2 other schools where Lynch and the TMO had already been kicked out. What can we surmise about this? Is this one woman loaded with money and paid the school staff to kick the TMO out? No. Is she a particularly powerful rakshasa who did evil magic to get rid of the TMO? Not likely. So how did one determined woman win over a huge moneyed organization backed by celebrities, yagyas and the Marshy Effect? Answer - the TMO is full of it, and the Marshy Effect doesn't exist, nor do yagyas work particularly well. And people say one woman can't make a difference! As to my participation, I merely wished this lady well, told her a little of what I know the TMO is like and directed her to Marshy's own words quoted in the original edition of Hermit in House about mantras being the names of gods and Marshy's likening TM to prayer in his little book the Meditations of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. And that was it. On Sun, 3/23/14, lengli...@cox.net lengli...@cox.net wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is there much of any truth to Counter-Revolutionary poison? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 23, 2014, 6:31 AM There's a huge concerted effort (by the massive 26 members) to attempt to sabatoge any and all QUiet Time Schools in San Francisco. Mjackson is apparently a member. https://www.facebook.com/pages/SF-Parents-Against-TM-in-Public-Schools/201123776750702 Wondering how they will respond if the preliminary PTSD research of the effects of TM on war refugees is confirmed by independent researchers. L
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On 3/23/2014 9:10 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: *John Knapp has long since left TM-Free. Mike Doughney runs it now, has been for several years.*. According to my sources, John Knapp reads TM-Free like it was his personal Bible, the same way Mike Doughney used to read Trancenet - as way to gather information for the sole purpose of discrediting TMers like Judy. She used to defend her beliefs, but for the past few years she had been letting impostors like MJ infer that she is another serial liar. That's what I think. Whatever happened to personal integrity? I for one, don't want to just watch this forum turned into another anti-TM bash list of MMY and TM. It's beginning to look like the FFL form is being taken over. By my count, there are exactly four TMers left on this list. Go figure.
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Thanks for filling in the blanks, Michael. I had much the same reaction to Lawson's paranoia-filled post that you seem to have had. He actually sounds *afraid* of the massive 26 members, which we now know to be one woman and a few other concerned parents and teachers. He's afraid, even though they're armed with nothing but the truth about what the mantras mean and what the words in the puja mean. And probably a little truth about Rajas and their gold crowns and long robes and one-million-dollar-a-head qualifications for that title. When told these things, especially in the face of the evasions and BS they get from the TM teachers when they confront them with what they've been told, the other parents and the teachers make the right decision US Constitution-wise, and boot the stealth religion out of their schools. If TM were really so great, the TM organization wouldn't have to lie to sell it. From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is there much of any truth to Counter-Revolutionary poison? Oh, and there is no attempt to sabotage any and all Quiet Time schools. Isn't it interesting that you characterize them as Quiet Time schools rather than schools where quiet time program has been implemented? I became aware of one woman who started the facebook page you mention. She got a permission slip from her son's school asking her to sign to allow her son to participate in the Quiet Time program. She wanted to know more since there was really no clear description of the program. When she learned it was TM with its Hindu underpinnings, replete with secret mantras, Sanskrit puja and a pic of a Hindu guru for the kids to bow to, she became concerned that the practice was violating the no religion in public school barrier. As she looker further at the TMO's marketing of TM related programs she became more alarmed especially after receiving evasive and circular answers from the TM people about her concerns. She then began to lobby to get the program removed from her son's school. At the end of it, the school principal informed her that at their school, the teachers collectively had a say in what extracurricular programs were offered there. So after her speaking to the school board and having other parents express their concerns as well, the teachers themselves voted to give the TMO the boot. The teachers at this school did it, mind you, not the school board or the principle. Subsequently this lady called all the other schools that were listed by the Lynch Foundation as having Quiet Time. Two schools still have it, but at least two others have given the TMO the heave ho. I asked if she knew why they had been kicked out and she told me she was so relieved to hear they were gone she didn't think to ask. But she did say this: Each time, I heard a pretty emphatic not here and not anymore. Now this brings up an opportunity for folks to examine what they believe about the effect of TM in the world. On one hand we have the TMO with all its advertising and celebrity endorsements of TM, you have the effect of supposedly thousands of people practicing TMSP in groups. The effects of pundits doing TMSP and yagyas, a supposedly burgeoning number of new TM meditators all of whom are not only doing TM and TMSP and yagyas but hoping and desiring to have TM taught universally. On the other hand, we have one woman with a desire for transparency and her own determination who got TM kicked out of one school added at least 2 other schools where Lynch and the TMO had already been kicked out. What can we surmise about this? Is this one woman loaded with money and paid the school staff to kick the TMO out? No. Is she a particularly powerful rakshasa who did evil magic to get rid of the TMO? Not likely. So how did one determined woman win over a huge moneyed organization backed by celebrities, yagyas and the Marshy Effect? Answer - the TMO is full of it, and the Marshy Effect doesn't exist, nor do yagyas work particularly well. And people say one woman can't make a difference! As to my participation, I merely wished this lady well, told her a little of what I know the TMO is like and directed her to Marshy's own words quoted in the original edition of Hermit in House about mantras being the names of gods and Marshy's likening TM to prayer in his little book the Meditations of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. And that was it. On Sun, 3/23/14, lengli...@cox.net lengli...@cox.net wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is there much of any truth to Counter-Revolutionary poison? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 23, 2014, 6:31 AM There's a huge concerted effort (by the massive 26 members) to attempt to sabatoge any and all QUiet Time Schools in San Francisco. Mjackson
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Looking again at the SF Parents against TM in Public Schools facebook pages, I see the page has exactly 26 likes - I assume this is where L English gets his 26 members from. On Sun, 3/23/14, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is there much of any truth to Counter-Revolutionary poison? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 23, 2014, 3:05 PM Thanks for filling in the blanks, Michael. I had much the same reaction to Lawson's paranoia-filled post that you seem to have had. He actually sounds *afraid* of the massive 26 members, which we now know to be one woman and a few other concerned parents and teachers. He's afraid, even though they're armed with nothing but the truth about what the mantras mean and what the words in the puja mean. And probably a little truth about Rajas and their gold crowns and long robes and one-million-dollar-a-head qualifications for that title. When told these things, especially in the face of the evasions and BS they get from the TM teachers when they confront them with what they've been told, the other parents and the teachers make the right decision US Constitution-wise, and boot the stealth religion out of their schools. If TM were really so great, the TM organization wouldn't have to lie to sell it. From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is there much of any truth to Counter-Revolutionary poison? Oh, and there is no attempt to sabotage any and all Quiet Time schools. Isn't it interesting that you characterize them as Quiet Time schools rather than schools where quiet time program has been implemented? I became aware of one woman who started the facebook page you mention. She got a permission slip from her son's school asking her to sign to allow her son to participate in the Quiet Time program. She wanted to know more since there was really no clear description of the program. When she learned it was TM with its Hindu underpinnings, replete with secret mantras, Sanskrit puja and a pic of a Hindu guru for the kids to bow to, she became concerned that the practice was violating the no religion in public school barrier. As she looker further at the TMO's marketing of TM related programs she became more alarmed especially after receiving evasive and circular answers from the TM people about her concerns. She then began to lobby to get the program removed from her son's school. At the end of it, the school principal informed her that at their school, the teachers collectively had a say in what extracurricular programs were offered there. So after her speaking to the school board and having other parents express their concerns as well, the teachers themselves voted to give the TMO the boot. The teachers at this school did it, mind you, not the school board or the principle. Subsequently this lady called all the other schools that were listed by the Lynch Foundation as having Quiet Time. Two schools still have it, but at least two others have given the TMO the heave ho. I asked if she knew why they had been kicked out and she told me she was so relieved to hear they were gone she didn't think to ask. But she did say this: Each time, I heard a pretty emphatic not here and not anymore. Now this brings up an opportunity for folks to examine what they believe about the effect of TM in the world. On one hand we have the TMO with all its advertising and celebrity endorsements of TM, you have the effect of supposedly thousands of people practicing TMSP in groups. The effects of pundits doing TMSP and yagyas, a supposedly burgeoning number of new TM meditators all of whom are not only doing TM and TMSP and yagyas but hoping and desiring to have TM taught universally. On the other hand, we have one woman with a desire for transparency and her own determination who got TM kicked out of one school added at least 2 other schools where Lynch and the TMO had already been kicked out. What can we surmise about this? Is this one woman loaded with money and paid the school staff to kick the TMO out? No. Is she a particularly powerful rakshasa who did evil magic to get rid of the TMO? Not likely. So how did one determined woman win over a huge moneyed organization backed by celebrities, yagyas and the Marshy Effect? Answer - the TMO is full of it, and the Marshy Effect doesn't exist, nor do yagyas work particularly well. And people say one woman can't make a difference! As to my participation, I merely wished this lady well, told her a little of what I know the TMO is like
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Richard has no special personal sources other than his own imagination. Mike Doughney had his own anti-TM site well before Knapp started Trancenet. Knapp isn't in a position to discredit anybody for anything, having lost his NYState license to practice therapy because of unprofessional behavior. Better tell Barry there are only four TMers left on FFL. He made a post recently in which he suggested that he and Bhairitu were the only two FFLers who weren't pussified TM blissninnies. John Knapp has long since left TM-Free. Mike Doughney runs it now, has been for several years.. According to my sources, John Knapp reads TM-Free like it was his personal Bible, the same way Mike Doughney used to read Trancenet - as way to gather information for the sole purpose of discrediting TMers like Judy. She used to defend her beliefs, but for the past few years she had been letting impostors like MJ infer that she is another serial liar. That's what I think. Whatever happened to personal integrity? I for one, don't want to just watch this forum turned into another anti-TM bash list of MMY and TM. It's beginning to look like the FFL form is being taken over. By my count, there are exactly four TMers left on this list. Go figure.
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Here's Lawson's paranoia-filled post in its entirety (also quoted at the end of Michael's post below): There's a huge concerted effort (by the massive 26 members) to attempt to sabatoge any and all QUiet Time Schools in San Francisco. Mjackson is apparently a member. https://www.facebook.com/pages/SF-Parents-Against-TM-in-Public-Schools/201123776750702 Wondering how they will respond if the preliminary PTSD research of the effects of TM on war refugees is confirmed by independent researchers. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/377535 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/377535 Huge concerted effort (by the massive 26 members) is obviously Lawson being ironic. And according to Barry, there are even fewer members than Lawson assumes. This post is an excellent example of Barry's delusionary spinning. Lawson's post isn't at all paranoid, nor does it sound as though he's afraid. Disgusted is more like it. Michael does some of his own spinning as well. Do the kids in fact have to bow to a picture of Guru Dev? I didn't when I learned TM. And of course it wasn't just the one woman who got Quiet Time kicked out of the SF schools, contrary to what Michael suggests. I have no idea what Michael's problem is with Lawson using the phrase Quiet Time schools. Also, in case anybody isn't aware of this (Michael and Barry aren't going to tell you), the kids (and their parents) have a choice of TM or some other quiet practice, religious or secular. Nobody was being forced to learn or practice TM. Thanks for filling in the blanks, Michael. I had much the same reaction to Lawson's paranoia-filled post that you seem to have had. He actually sounds *afraid* of the massive 26 members, which we now know to be one woman and a few other concerned parents and teachers. He's afraid, even though they're armed with nothing but the truth about what the mantras mean and what the words in the puja mean. And probably a little truth about Rajas and their gold crowns and long robes and one-million-dollar-a-head qualifications for that title. When told these things, especially in the face of the evasions and BS they get from the TM teachers when they confront them with what they've been told, the other parents and the teachers make the right decision US Constitution-wise, and boot the stealth religion out of their schools. If TM were really so great, the TM organization wouldn't have to lie to sell it. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is there much of any truth to Counter-Revolutionary poison? Oh, and there is no attempt to sabotage any and all Quiet Time schools. Isn't it interesting that you characterize them as Quiet Time schools rather than schools where quiet time program has been implemented? I became aware of one woman who started the facebook page you mention. She got a permission slip from her son's school asking her to sign to allow her son to participate in the Quiet Time program. She wanted to know more since there was really no clear description of the program. When she learned it was TM with its Hindu underpinnings, replete with secret mantras, Sanskrit puja and a pic of a Hindu guru for the kids to bow to, she became concerned that the practice was violating the no religion in public school barrier. As she looker further at the TMO's marketing of TM related programs she became more alarmed especially after receiving evasive and circular answers from the TM people about her concerns. She then began to lobby to get the program removed from her son's school. At the end of it, the school principal informed her that at their school, the teachers collectively had a say in what extracurricular programs were offered there. So after her speaking to the school board and having other parents express their concerns as well, the teachers themselves voted to give the TMO the boot. The teachers at this school did it, mind you, not the school board or the principle. Subsequently this lady called all the other schools that were listed by the Lynch Foundation as having Quiet Time. Two schools still have it, but at least two others have given the TMO the heave ho. I asked if she knew why they had been kicked out and she told me she was so relieved to hear they were gone she didn't think to ask. But she did say this: Each time, I heard a pretty emphatic not here and not anymore. Now this brings up an opportunity for folks to examine what they believe about the effect of TM in the world. On one hand we have the TMO with all its advertising and celebrity endorsements of TM, you have the effect of supposedly thousands of people practicing TMSP in groups. The effects of pundits doing TMSP and yagyas, a supposedly burgeoning number of new
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is there much of any truth to Counter-Revolutionary poison?
On 3/23/2014 10:05 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: Thanks for filling in the blanks, Michael. I had much the same reaction to Lawson's paranoia-filled post that you seem to have had. He actually sounds *afraid* of the massive 26 members, which we now know to be one woman and a few other concerned parents and teachers. He's afraid, even though they're armed with nothing but the truth about what the mantras mean and what the words in the puja mean. And probably a little truth about Rajas and their gold crowns and long robes and one-million-dollar-a-head qualifications for that title. It looks like you're preaching to the choir here on FFL - there are only about four TMers left. You'd probably reach a much larger target audience if you posted to TM-Free with John Knapp, Mike Doughney and Gema Catena. I doubt you're going to convince the remaining four to change their practice much, if that's your goal. When told these things, especially in the face of the evasions and BS they get from the TM teachers when they confront them with what they've been told, the other parents and the teachers make the right decision US Constitution-wise, and boot the stealth religion out of their schools. If TM were really so great, the TM organization wouldn't have to lie to sell it.
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On 3/23/2014 10:28 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Mike Doughney had his own anti-TM site well before Knapp started Trancenet. Don't try to confuse us - MJ is working for Mike Doughney, John Knapp, and Gena Catena at TM-Free - to discredit you, the TMer - one of the four remaining on FFL. Now you own it.
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John Knapp doesn't have anything to do with TM-Free any longer. And I seriously doubt Michael is working for Doughney (who runs TM-Free) or Gina (not sure what her role is in TM-Free). Mike Doughney had his own anti-TM site well before Knapp started Trancenet. Don't try to confuse us - MJ is working for Mike Doughney, John Knapp, and Gena Catena at TM-Free - to discredit you, the TMer - one of the four remaining on FFL. Now you own it.
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On 3/23/2014 11:14 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: *John Knapp doesn't have anything to do with TM-Free any longer. And I seriously doubt Michael is working for Doughney (who runs TM-Free) or Gina (not sure what her role is in TM-Free).* You don't have any insider information about this, obviously. Knapp is the Webmaster and the owner of the TM-Free site.
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SF Parents Against TM in Public Schools [on Facebook] 'A site for parents who question the constitutionality of TM in public schools to come together, with links to independent critical articles.' MARCH 2 I am very, very happy to announce, NO MORE TM IN MY SON'S HIGH SCHOOL! I just received an email from the principal; the teachers voted to discontinue TM and will be considering a secular alternative for next year! Thank you, everyone, for all your support, information and insightful comments. TM has no place in a public school. Next, the district superintendent and the board of the unified school district! The first battle is won! On to the next! Many, many thanks, dear friends! MARCH 14 Just called Thurgood Marshall and they don't have it anymore either. That only leaves Visitacion Valley Middle school! - You can blame Thomas Jefferson for this: Letter to Benjamin Rush (excerpt) September 23, 1800 [T]he clause of the Constitution which, while it secured the freedom of the press, covered also the freedom of religion, had given to the clergy a very favorite hope of obtaining an establishment of a particular form of Christianity through the United States; and as every sect believes its own form the true one, every one perhaps hoped for his own, but especially the Episcopalians and Congregationalists. The returning good sense of our country threatens abortion to their hopes and they believe that any portion of power confided to me will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly. Letter to Danbury Baptists (entire letter) To messers. Nehemiah Dodge, Ephraim Robbins, Stephen S. Nelson, a committee of the Danbury Baptist association in the state of Connecticut. Gentlemen The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful and zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more and more pleasing. Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between Church State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties. I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection blessing of the common father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves your religious association, assurances of my high respect esteem. Th Jefferson Jan. 1. 1802. - It seems that some of the schools might attempt to put a secular alternative to TM in place for 'quiet time'. The TMO's problem is that in spite of its rhetoric, it has been unable to secularise TM. Technically this should be possible. Mindfulness variants of meditation have be successfully secularised. Maharishi's early statements to the effect that the mantras of TM are 'the mantras of the personal gods', the philosophical structure of SCI, and the puja are pretty hard to cover up. The checking notes appear to be completely secular in structure. The checking procedure with other mantras not derived from religious sources and dumping the puja and SCI, I think it possible it would work. There is no evidence that the TM mantras are special in some way except they are short and do not have any obvious meaning (except advanced techniques). As the world seems gradually moving in a secular direction, aside from the backwater United States, a secular alternative is needed, assuming there is sufficient evidence that it is effective. But as the scientific evidence of whatever meditation does is typically quite weak this seems unlikely. The main problem seems to be each group that does research promotes their own group's technique exclusively and the research is heavily drenched with confirmation bias. Neuroscientist Sam Harris is about to have a book published 'Waking Up, A Guide to Spirituality without Religion' and he is going on tour with it, lecturing and interacting with audiences to create a course which will be available. To quote Harris: This fall, I will stage a series of live events—in Los Angeles, New York, and San Francisco—to coincide with the publication of my new book, Waking Up: A Guide to
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is there much of any truth to Counter-Revolutionary poison?
As I understand it, an alternative to TM has been part of the Quiet Time program from the beginning. Kids and parents get to choose whether the kids will practice TM or some alternative (although that alternative might itself be religious, e.g., silent prayer). It seems that some of the schools might attempt to put a secular alternative to TM in place for 'quiet time'.
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I hope that is a fact. When I looked up Quiet Time, all the references were about TM only, though I did not go through more than two pages on Google. So I do not know if this is some general programme for schools or just one promoted by the David Lynch Foundation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : As I understand it, an alternative to TM has been part of the Quiet Time program from the beginning. Kids and parents get to choose whether the kids will practice TM or some alternative (although that alternative might itself be religious, e.g., silent prayer). It seems that some of the schools might attempt to put a secular alternative to TM in place for 'quiet time'.
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If I am they are forgetting to send me a check. On Sun, 3/23/14, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is there much of any truth to Counter-Revolutionary poison? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 23, 2014, 4:14 PM John Knapp doesn't have anything to do with TM-Free any longer. And I seriously doubt Michael is working for Doughney (who runs TM-Free) or Gina (not sure what her role is in TM-Free). Mike Doughney had his own anti-TM site well before Knapp started Trancenet. Don't try to confuse us - MJ is working for Mike Doughney, John Knapp, and Gena Catena at TM-Free - to discredit you, the TMer - one of the four remaining on FFL. Now you own it.
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Unless you have talked to her as I have don't post as if you know the facts On Sun, 3/23/14, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is there much of any truth to Counter-Revolutionary poison? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 23, 2014, 3:51 PM Here's Lawson's paranoia-filled post in its entirety (also quoted at the end of Michael's post below): There's a huge concerted effort (by the massive 26 members) to attempt to sabatoge any and all QUiet Time Schools in San Francisco. Mjackson is apparently a member. https://www.facebook.com/pages/SF-Parents-Against-TM-in-Public-Schools/201123776750702 Wondering how they will respond if the preliminary PTSD research of the effects of TM on war refugees is confirmed by independent researchers. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/377535 Huge concerted effort (by the massive 26 members) is obviously Lawson being ironic. And according to Barry, there are even fewer members than Lawson assumes. This post is an excellent example of Barry's delusionary spinning. Lawson's post isn't at all paranoid, nor does it sound as though he's afraid. Disgusted is more like it. Michael does some of his own spinning as well. Do the kids in fact have to bow to a picture of Guru Dev? I didn't when I learned TM. And of course it wasn't just the one woman who got Quiet Time kicked out of the SF schools, contrary to what Michael suggests. I have no idea what Michael's problem is with Lawson using the phrase Quiet Time schools. Also, in case anybody isn't aware of this (Michael and Barry aren't going to tell you), the kids (and their parents) have a choice of TM or some other quiet practice, religious or secular. Nobody was being forced to learn or practice TM. Thanks for filling in the blanks, Michael. I had much the same reaction to Lawson's paranoia-filled post that you seem to have had. He actually sounds *afraid* of the massive 26 members, which we now know to be one woman and a few other concerned parents and teachers. He's afraid, even though they're armed with nothing but the truth about what the mantras mean and what the words in the puja mean. And probably a little truth about Rajas and their gold crowns and long robes and one-million-dollar-a-head qualifications for that title. When told these things, especially in the face of the evasions and BS they get from the TM teachers when they confront them with what they've been told, the other parents and the teachers make the right decision US Constitution-wise, and boot the stealth religion out of their schools. If TM were really so great, the TM organization wouldn't have to lie to sell it. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is there much of any truth to Counter-Revolutionary poison? Oh, and there is no attempt to sabotage any and all Quiet Time schools. Isn't it interesting that you characterize them as Quiet Time schools rather than schools where quiet time program has been implemented? I became aware of one woman who started the facebook page you mention. She got a permission slip from her son's school asking her to sign to allow her son to participate in the Quiet Time program. She wanted to know more since there was really no clear description of the program. When she learned it was TM with its Hindu underpinnings, replete with secret mantras, Sanskrit puja and a pic of a Hindu guru for the kids to bow to, she became concerned that the practice was violating the no religion in public school barrier. As she looker further at the TMO's marketing of TM related programs she became more alarmed especially after receiving evasive and circular answers from the TM people about her concerns. She then began to lobby to get the program removed from her son's school. At the end of it, the school principal informed her that at their school, the teachers collectively had a say in what extracurricular programs were offered there. So after her speaking to the school board and having other parents express their concerns as well, the teachers themselves voted to give the TMO the boot. The teachers at this school did it, mind you, not the school board or the principle. Subsequently this lady called all the other schools that were listed by the Lynch Foundation as having Quiet Time. Two schools still have it, but at least two others have given the TMO the heave ho. I asked if she knew why they had been kicked out and she told me she was so relieved to hear they were gone she didn't think to ask. But she did say this: Each time, I heard a pretty emphatic not here
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its bullshit - the only thing they are selling is TM and that's it - if anyone doesn't believe me go to the facebook page of the SF parents against TM in public schools and message the lady who put the page up see what she has to say about it. On Sun, 3/23/14, anartax...@yahoo.com anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is there much of any truth to Counter-Revolutionary poison? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 23, 2014, 4:59 PM I hope that is a fact. When I looked up Quiet Time, all the references were about TM only, though I did not go through more than two pages on Google. So I do not know if this is some general programme for schools or just one promoted by the David Lynch Foundation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : As I understand it, an alternative to TM has been part of the Quiet Time program from the beginning. Kids and parents get to choose whether the kids will practice TM or some alternative (although that alternative might itself be religious, e.g., silent prayer). It seems that some of the schools might attempt to put a secular alternative to TM in place for 'quiet time'.
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I'm only going by what you yourself said in your post, Michael, which was rather self-contradictory about her role. You wrote that she and other parents got TM kicked out of her son's school; then she called other Quiet Time schools and was told TM had already been kicked out of two of them. But then at the end you say, So how did one determined woman win over a huge moneyed organization backed by celebrities, yagyas and the Marshy Effect? If I've misunderstood, or if you miswrote, please clarify. Unless you have talked to her as I have don't post as if you know the facts On Sun, 3/23/14, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is there much of any truth to Counter-Revolutionary poison? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 23, 2014, 3:51 PM Here's Lawson's paranoia-filled post in its entirety (also quoted at the end of Michael's post below): There's a huge concerted effort (by the massive 26 members) to attempt to sabatoge any and all QUiet Time Schools in San Francisco. Mjackson is apparently a member. https://www.facebook.com/pages/SF-Parents-Against-TM-in-Public-Schools/201123776750702 https://www.facebook.com/pages/SF-Parents-Against-TM-in-Public-Schools/201123776750702 Wondering how they will respond if the preliminary PTSD research of the effects of TM on war refugees is confirmed by independent researchers. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/377535 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/377535 Huge concerted effort (by the massive 26 members) is obviously Lawson being ironic. And according to Barry, there are even fewer members than Lawson assumes. This post is an excellent example of Barry's delusionary spinning. Lawson's post isn't at all paranoid, nor does it sound as though he's afraid. Disgusted is more like it. Michael does some of his own spinning as well. Do the kids in fact have to bow to a picture of Guru Dev? I didn't when I learned TM. And of course it wasn't just the one woman who got Quiet Time kicked out of the SF schools, contrary to what Michael suggests. I have no idea what Michael's problem is with Lawson using the phrase Quiet Time schools. Also, in case anybody isn't aware of this (Michael and Barry aren't going to tell you), the kids (and their parents) have a choice of TM or some other quiet practice, religious or secular. Nobody was being forced to learn or practice TM. Thanks for filling in the blanks, Michael. I had much the same reaction to Lawson's paranoia-filled post that you seem to have had. He actually sounds *afraid* of the massive 26 members, which we now know to be one woman and a few other concerned parents and teachers. He's afraid, even though they're armed with nothing but the truth about what the mantras mean and what the words in the puja mean. And probably a little truth about Rajas and their gold crowns and long robes and one-million-dollar-a-head qualifications for that title. When told these things, especially in the face of the evasions and BS they get from the TM teachers when they confront them with what they've been told, the other parents and the teachers make the right decision US Constitution-wise, and boot the stealth religion out of their schools. If TM were really so great, the TM organization wouldn't have to lie to sell it. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is there much of any truth to Counter-Revolutionary poison? Oh, and there is no attempt to sabotage any and all Quiet Time schools. Isn't it interesting that you characterize them as Quiet Time schools rather than schools where quiet time program has been implemented? I became aware of one woman who started the facebook page you mention. She got a permission slip from her son's school asking her to sign to allow her son to participate in the Quiet Time program. She wanted to know more since there was really no clear description of the program. When she learned it was TM with its Hindu underpinnings, replete with secret mantras, Sanskrit puja and a pic of a Hindu guru for the kids to bow to, she became concerned that the practice was violating the no religion in public school barrier. As she looker further at the TMO's marketing of TM related programs she became more alarmed especially after receiving evasive and circular answers from the TM people about her concerns. She then began to lobby to get the program removed from her son's school. At the end of it, the school principal informed her
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is there much of any truth to Counter-Revolutionary poison?
1. Quiet Time periods in all classrooms To incorporate stress reduction into students’ daily lives, the participating school adds a twice-daily 'quiet time' period to the morning and afternoon schedule. These 15-minute breaks are held in all classrooms and are overseen by all teachers. most students meditate at this time, while others choose another quiet and educationally valuable activity such as reading. The schoolwide Quiet Time periods allow youth to quiet their minds, rest their bodies, and restore their readiness to learn. http://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/pdf/Quiet-Time-Brochure.pdf http://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/pdf/Quiet-Time-Brochure.pdf its bullshit - the only thing they are selling is TM and that's it - if anyone doesn't believe me go to the facebook page of the SF parents against TM in public schools and message the lady who put the page up see what she has to say about it. On Sun, 3/23/14, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is there much of any truth to Counter-Revolutionary poison? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 23, 2014, 4:59 PM I hope that is a fact. When I looked up Quiet Time, all the references were about TM only, though I did not go through more than two pages on Google. So I do not know if this is some general programme for schools or just one promoted by the David Lynch Foundation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : As I understand it, an alternative to TM has been part of the Quiet Time program from the beginning. Kids and parents get to choose whether the kids will practice TM or some alternative (although that alternative might itself be religious, e.g., silent prayer). It seems that some of the schools might attempt to put a secular alternative to TM in place for 'quiet time'.
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On 3/23/2014 1:00 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: 1. Quiet Time periods in all classrooms To incorporate stress reduction into students’ daily lives, the participating school adds a twice-daily 'quiet time' period to the morning and afternoon schedule. These 15-minute breaks are held in all classrooms and are overseen by all teachers. most students meditate at this time, while others choose another quiet and educationally valuable activity such as reading. The schoolwide Quiet Time periods allow youth to quiet their minds, rest their bodies, and restore their readiness to learn. http://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/pdf/Quiet-Time-Brochure.pdf Uh oh - it sure looks like MJ tried to post a fib and got caught by The Corrector. I tried to warn him, but he wouldn't listen to me.
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I don't think he was fibbing. What he said was that all they were selling was TM, and that's surely correct as far as it goes. If a kid doesn't want to do TM, or his parents refuse to approve it, then the kid does one of the alternative Quiet Time activities while the rest meditate. Michael may not know that this option has always been part of the Lynch program. But they're not selling the alternative options; they're just available if TM is out for a particular student. 1. Quiet Time periods in all classrooms To incorporate stress reduction into students’ daily lives, the participating school adds a twice-daily 'quiet time' period to the morning and afternoon schedule. These 15-minute breaks are held in all classrooms and are overseen by all teachers. most students meditate at this time, while others choose another quiet and educationally valuable activity such as reading. The schoolwide Quiet Time periods allow youth to quiet their minds, rest their bodies, and restore their readiness to learn. http://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/pdf/Quiet-Time-Brochure.pdf http://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/pdf/Quiet-Time-Brochure.pdf Uh oh - it sure looks like MJ tried to post a fib and got caught by The Corrector. I tried to warn him, but he wouldn't listen to me.
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HaHa, there are 26 lost souls on the FB page, like whispers from a bygone era only about 30 years ago when Christian fundamentalists used to present some kind of opposition to TM. Today most of them have adjusted to the new energies saturating this planet, or they simply are out of circulation for the time being. Let their representatives here the Turq and MJ rant - no one listens to them anyway :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : SF Parents Against TM in Public Schools [on Facebook] 'A site for parents who question the constitutionality of TM in public schools to come together, with links to independent critical articles.' sense of being perched somewhere behind your eyes, looking out at a world that is separate from yourself—can be altered or entirely extinguished. Although such experiences of “self-transcendence” are generally thought about in religious terms, there is nothing, in principle, irrational about them. From both a scientific and a philosophical point of view, they represent a clearer understanding of the way things are.
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But, happily the parents, teachers and administrators listened to those who know about the ridiculous TMO and those wise people in at least 3 schools in San Francisco have kicked David Lynch and his TM buddies out and more to follow. On Sun, 3/23/14, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is there much of any truth to Counter-Revolutionary poison? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 23, 2014, 9:03 PM HaHa, there are 26 lost souls on the FB page, like whispers from a bygone era only about 30 years ago when Christian fundamentalists used to present some kind of opposition to TM. Today most of them have adjusted to the new energies saturating this planet, or they simply are out of circulation for the time being. Let their representatives here the Turq and MJ rant - no one listens to them anyway :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : SF Parents Against TM in Public Schools [on Facebook]'A site for parents who question the constitutionality of TM in public schools to come together, with links to independent critical articles.'sense of being perched somewhere behind your eyes, looking out at a world that is separate from yourself—can be altered or entirely extinguished. Although such experiences of “self-transcendence” are generally thought about in religious terms, there is nothing, in principle, irrational about them. From both a scientific and a philosophical point of view, they represent a clearer understanding of the way things are.
