Hi Carrie,
I am so sorry to hear about your kitties. And I am praying they get better very
soon.
I had put a post up asking the group about raw food for FeLV cats but no one
responded or commented about using that for their cats.
I have read that for FeLV cats it might be a hazard because
and acidic. Most
vets are poorly trained on nutrition and much of that training comes via
the pet food industry, which makes a bundle selling biologically
inappropriate grain laden, carb heavy, overproccessed, overpriced crap. Of
course they fear-monger about raw food, even for cats with perfectly
Hello Maryam and Carrie,
I don't post much, but I feel I have to respond to your raw food comments.
Without question, I believe a complete and balanced raw food diet is the
most important thing you can give your cat. Some people just cannot be
convinced of it, unfortunately. I have a 5 yr old
inappropriate grain laden, carb heavy, overproccessed, overpriced crap. Of
course they fear-monger about raw food, even for cats with perfectly
healthy immune systems. As if dry food hasn't been proven to have frequent
contamination with salmonella etc. No human has ever been shown to catch
disease from
Amen to that and great point about all the salmonella from commercial food!
My house has been a great experiment in raw vs commercial. While feeding a raw
food diet (same one as on catnutrition.org) my cats rarely had a hairball,
never
had crystals or any type of cystitis, had sleek coats
I'd sure LOVE to know how to prepare and feed a home made diet to my cats.
The one time I purchased raw food (frozen, at the farm center) they turned
up their noses at it. They are mega-fussy. I feel fortunate to have hit on
a dry food they will (mostly) eat. Lucky Cat - who has crystals in his
Thanks for the info. Tracey...
Fortunately I already have a heavy duty grinder.
Lorrie
On 11-19, Tracey Shrout wrote: Lorrie, Yes, I think raw is the best
also. If you go to those websites, they give you step-by-step
instructions on how to make it. You have to be careful to follow
the
LOL, 'lemon fresh' isn't always a great thing, eh
Debbie (COL)
Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle Philo
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From: patricia.a.elk...@gsk.com
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:55:19 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Raw Food
A funny story- my
, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote:
I think a raw food diet is best for cats, as it's certainly more
natural, with none of the by-products and other awful stuff they add
to cat food. However only one of my cats will eat it. The others just
sniff it and walk away. I'd be interested
A funny story- my husband suddenly decided that he would feed a raw diet
to the cats
and invested a lot of money in meat and supplements according to a good
recipe he found.
Not one cat out of about 12 would touch it. Turns out he had purchased (a
big!) bottle of lemon-flavored
fish oil to
it.
Tracey
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com
wrote:
I think a raw food diet is best for cats, as it's certainly more
natural, with none of the by-products and other awful stuff they add
to cat food. However only one of my cats will eat it. The others just
sniff
everytime you make it.
Tracey
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com
wrote:
I think a raw food diet is best for cats, as it's certainly more
natural, with none of the by-products and other awful stuff they add
to cat food. However only one of my cats will eat
I have to chime in on the raw food. I started cooking for Dixie after
the cat/dog food scare a few years ago and no longer feed my kept cats
any thing with grain. The ferals get Purina dry and canned (I don't
know of any recalls involving their products). I discovered Primal
Raw
I think a raw food diet is best for cats, as it's certainly more
natural, with none of the by-products and other awful stuff they add
to cat food. However only one of my cats will eat it. The others just
sniff it and walk away. I'd be interested in hearing what your diet
consists
to the forum and here to help my father with his felv positive
kitten.
She is on EVO, but was wondering if a raw food diet would be better
for her immunity?
Any experience with an optimal diet or feedback would be great.
Thanks,
Saehwa
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I think raw food is good for them as long as you use the proper supps to go with it... Kerry, Bandy and Inky
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: Re: raw food
Just for the record though - freezing does not kill parasites. This
according to the USDA Safe Food Handling Fact Sheet:
Does Freezing Destroy Bacteria
Parasites?Freezing to 0 °F inactivates any microbes -- bacteria,
yeasts and molds - - present in food. Once
All I can tell you is my own experience with raw food and my
positive Bailey. I switched all my guys to raw and Bailey my positive
loved it, he really thrived and put on about 2 pounds which we all know
is good for a positive since the first symptom of any problem is
generally loss
I personally am still not 100% sure about raw food. You get the
argument that this is what cats eat in the wild, well like it or not,
they aren't wild anymore and have under gone changes due to years of
being domesticated.
So, I can only go by my own experience and ours was good
PS. On my last post, then again when cats were first domesticated they
were still eating rats and mice for the most part so it hasn't been that
long that they have been getting the canned and dry food we feed them
now. I have heard good arguments for both sides.
--
Belinda
happiness is
Can I ask, why not Pork? Are you in the UK?Roxane[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I wouldn't fee any raw PORK... other than that, I doubt the vet's have muchreal scientific basis behind their reluctance to advocate raw diets.PhaewrynPLEASE Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat
The argument I've heard agaisnt raw food, is not about the nutritional value
of a raw meat diet, it's the fact that poultry produced in the US is not
intended for raw consumption, it's not kept cold enough or thoroughly
screened for parasytes, because producers assume it will be cooked. I
to help you out. I just don't like to see false information out there.RoxaneKiley Dozier-Bosanko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The argument I've heard
agaisnt raw food, is not about the nutritional value of a raw meat diet, it's the fact that poultry produced in the US is not intended for raw
to help you out. I just don't like to see false information out there.Kiley Dozier-Bosanko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The argument I've heard agaisnt
raw food, is not about the nutritional value of a raw meat diet, it's the fact that poultry produced in the US is not intended for raw consumption
to help you out. I just don't like to see false information out there.Kiley Dozier-Bosanko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The argument I've heard agaisnt
raw food, is not about the nutritional value of a raw meat diet, it's the fact that poultry produced in the US is not intended for raw consumption
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wrote:
The
argument I've heard agaisnt raw food, is not about the nutritional value
of a raw meat diet, it's the fact that poultry produced in the US is not
intended for raw consumption, it's not kept cold enough or thoroughly
screened for parasytes, because producers assume
titles, please e-mail me on the
private side and I'll be happy to help you out. I just don't like to see false information out there.Kiley Dozier-Bosanko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The argument I've heard agaisnt raw food, is not about the nutritional value of a raw meat diet, it's the fact
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The
argument I've heard agaisnt raw food, is not about the nutritional value
of a raw meat diet, it's the fact that poultry produced in the US is
not intended for raw consumption, it's not kept cold enough or
thoroughly screened for parasytes, because producers assume
Okay, I'm going to throw my 2 cents in here. I've posted it enough for
everyone to know that feeding Gypsy raw food saved her life. I was
also as careful as I could be in selecting meat from a source, (I
bought it at Whole Foods and paid a premium price for it), that told me
it was as free
Pork is very commonly known to carry trichinosis:
http://www.austincc.edu/microbio/2704k/trich.htm
I'm in north america, in Vermont.
Phaewryn
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Subject: Re: raw food
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Okay, I'm going to throw my 2 cents in here. I've posted it enough
for
everyone to know that feeding Gypsy raw food saved her life. I was
also
as careful as I could be in selecting meat from a source, (I bought
it
at Whole
Thank you all for sharing your experiences and information on raw food, I
know it is a controversal subject and I am grateful for any additional
information. It seems like everyone who has given it to their kitties had a
good experience. I find it difficult to go against the recommendations
. It's
not about us - it's about the cats.
In a message dated 6/20/2006 6:55:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
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Okay,
I'm going to throw my 2 cents in here. I've posted it enough for
everyone to know that feeding Gypsy raw food saved her life. I was also
as careful as I
My vet explained that carnivores have a stronger stomach acid.. That's
why they can digest food
without chewing it... Also that will kill the bacteria in raw food...
I guess the risk could be that a sick cat might not have the strong
acid that a healthy cat has...
Tad
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I personally you should continue to keep her on raw food diet - there is
a way to you can prepare your raw meat so that it will eliminate any
potential risks of feeding raw meat to your kitty.. one thing you can
use it to soak the meat with grapefruit seed oil -
But I give raw meat to some of my
I feed raw to my two positives. I was worried about it too, but my hand was forced when one of my positives, Lucy, got IBD and stopped being able to tolerate even the best canned food. I read about raw and decided to try it, and she is so much better on it. I still gave canned to my other
I'm sorry to hear about Milo but IMO there is nothing better than a raw diet. Why fill your cat with junk food when raw is the most natural thing you can do. You have won a battle that I fight with most of my cats, you won to get Milo it eat raw, please don't take that a way from him or yourself.
Well, I wouldn't fee any raw PORK... other than that, I doubt the vet's have
much
real scientific basis behind their reluctance to advocate raw diets.
Phaewryn
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Hi Michelle,
When my was anemic and wouldn't eat I tried raw she really
didnt like it most of my cats do not some do. My homepathic vet
told me that I should not feed raw to a fiv/felv cat. That it's
better to blanch it and feed semi raw. Now I know some vets say
yes and some say no.
Michelle,
As Tonya said, I think the amount of food you describe, while not hardy,
is enough that I wouldn't be too terribly concerned. She is eating and
that's good. The behavior you describe, going through different flavors
until you hit just the right one, was so reminiscent of what I've
Lucy had loose stool for over 2 months, which was helped by pred but only
went away completely on a raw diet. She then got constipated this week, about 3
or 4 weeks into the raw diet. I gave her olive oil, which helped. But now
she is refusing to eat her turkey diet, raw or cooked. She seems
, 2006 7:24
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Subject: Lucy-- refusing raw food
now
Lucy had loose stool for over 2 months, which was helped by pred but only
went away completely on a raw diet. She then got constipated this week, about
3 or 4 weeks into the raw diet. I gave her olive oil, which helped. But
now
Lucy actually does really well with turkey, which is why I picked turkey
for her raw diet. She does not do as well with other meats. She is
not doing badly from the turkey diet either, just decided she is through with it
and won't touch it now.
I am glad your cat does so well on EVO. It
: Monday, January 23, 2006 8:03
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Subject: Re: Lucy-- refusing raw food
now
Lucy actually does really well with turkey, which is why I picked turkey
for her raw diet. She does not do as well with other meats. She is
not doing badly from the turkey diet either, just decided she
Can she eat cooked turkey? Try the turkey and cooked rice (a subset
of Dr. Pitcairn's diet for diarrhea).
Gloria
On Jan 23, 2006, at 8:03 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Lucy actually does really well with turkey, which is why I picked
turkey for her raw diet. She does not do as well with
posted with the progress.
Hideyo
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Subject: Lucy-- refusing raw food
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Lucy had loose stool for over 2 months
and then refused her raw food. Since it was the only
thing that seemed to help her in the past, I worried that she would
once again wither away. I don't think there is a cat that is picker,
or has more issues with food than Gypsy, (she now refuses to eat unless
someone is petting her). When I
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lucy had loose stool for over 2 months, which was helped by pred but only went away completely on a raw diet. She then got constipated this week, about 3 or 4 weeks into the raw diet. I gave her olive oil, which helped. But now she is refusing to eat her turkey diet,
Michelle,If I were you I would offer what she'll take, but try mixing in little bits of what you want her to eat that she's not eating. I don't think there's been enough time for it to make her sick yet if it's going to. For that reason I'd keep giving her small amounts at a time. I wouldn't
It depends on how much she ate. If she's had enough to eat there would have been time for her to get sick. If you're feeding her sparingly it might take a little longer. An overful stomach can lead to diarrhea and/or vomiting just by itself.. That's why I would err on the side of caution
for a new batch to
come in, and also ordered some frozen turkey raw food for cats that does not
have grains. She has not had any loose stools, or any stool since last
evening, on the positive side. I tried cooking chicken for her and she
looked excited but after trying one piece did not want
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Thanks for the long post, Nina. Lucy now will not eat the EVO or the
canned food. She ate some baby food, probably half a jar. Just to see
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Thanks for the long post, Nina. Lucy now will not eat the EVO or
the canned food. She ate some baby food
Michelle, have you also
tried V-B complex injection, which has helped increased appetite for some of my
babies.
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to come in, and also ordered some frozen
turkey raw food for cats that does not have grains. She has not had any loose stools, or any stool since last evening, on the positive side. I tried cooking chicken for her and she looked excited but after trying one piece did not want it anymore. She never
I actually did try sauteeing it in some water and giving her the broth. She
has liked that the past few weeks but would not touch it today. But I
think there may be something wrong with this batch of turkey as it was less red
than the last batches.
I had not thought to add salt. That is a
No. I have thought of it, but would have to take her to vet to get
it. I am in-between vets with her right now-- the one I was using
basically did not want to treat her anymore until I get her an endoscapy (scope
of her intestines) which I did not want to do at this point. I switched
Ah, I wish I could drink taquila, but I have gastritis (raw stomach lining)
and so can not drink any alcohol. Would be nice though! (though i
think taquila tastes horrible, actually!)
Lucy never eats as much as the other cats. But when she was eating
the raw food she ate about 4 bowls full
who
will deal likewise with their fellow
man.
St. Francis
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I actually did try sauteeing
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Ah, I wish I could drink taquila, but I have gastritis (raw stomach
lining) and so can not drink any alcohol
That's good to know! Thanks!
In a message dated 1/23/2006 7:53:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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EVO is a
lot more concentrated and filling (according to Kitty) than a lot of other
foods.
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Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 6:36 PM Subject: Re: Lucy-- refusing raw food now Ah, I wish I could drink taquila, but I have gastritis (raw stomach lining) and so can not drink any
You should see the way that Ginger scratches and paws next to any food she
does not feel like eating, as if to say it is so repulsive she can not bear
seeing it and would I PLEASE dispose of it and give her something edible.
Ginger stayed at my mom's for a month when we were moving (I had
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You should see the way that Ginger scratches and paws next to any food
she does not feel like eating, as if to say it is so repulsive she
Yes, I have some that do it for something 'good' they want to hide, and sometimes for something 'bad' like a hairball or peeing on the rug... You just never know! My latest cat, Mama Kitty, the one who had lived with the ferals, had 2 or 3 litters, and had her stomach 'skinned'
I know, I have thought of that. But if I give her something that she
actually wants to eat, she eats it and does not cover it. If I cater to
her and keep opening things until I hit what she wants, she covers everything up
until I hit the right thing and then digs into that one. The fact
Belinda,
Congratulations on getting your grinder! It took me a while to order
mine, but I'm so glad I finally did. It didn't take 6 weeks to see
results with Gypsy, she was having formed stools for the first time in a
year after only 4 days! Write me off list if you want to exchange
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