Re: more questions and thankyou

[Karen Griffith]

As was mentioned by Lance, You can go to the following website that is an 
informational website for 4-Life and Transfer Factor. It is 
www.powerbod.com/us/karengriffith
If you have any questions, you can call 740-992-5782.

It is best to contact Karen are after 9 pm. EST.  It is OK to call her up until 
11 pm EST.  She is an Animal Scientist with a specialty in Nutrition and 
Physiology.  Call her any time you need help.

If you need help with your FeLV kitties, give her a call as to nutritional, etc 
help.

Karen Griffith 
Karen Griffith Farms
34440 State Route 7
Pomeroy, Ohio 45769
Phone: 740-992-5782
Website: www.karengriffith.com
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  - Original Message - 
  From: whocares whocares 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 12:03 AM
  Subject: RE: more questions and thankyou


  Hi,
  Firstly, thankyou to everyone who responded and for the advice thusfar. 
Milli's diahrea is getting better with Neorase and probiotics, etc..
  I've gotten 5 of the 7 new ones tested and they've all come back FeLV+. 5 are 
housed together and the other 2 are each in their own rooms. I have 8 immune 
challenged cats of my own (some of which are permanent fosters) and am a little 
worried now. 
  What precautions do I have to take? Is FeLV extremely contagious? My 
dishwasher has a sani cycle which I've been using. Does sanitizing kill the 
virus? Is it easily spread on clothes? How close does the contact have to be 
between cats? How long does the virus live outside the body?
  Lance, how much DMG do you give? I have some for my HCM kitty. 
  I live in Vancouver, BC, Canada. Does anyone know where I can get Transfer 
Factor? No naturpath, etc. here seems to have heard of it.
  I'm way over my head here. Please give me as much advice (even if it sounds 
simple) as you can.
  Thanks
  El

   


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Re: more questions and thankyou

[Karen Griffith]

El.

You can use my Distributor number to order Transfer Factor.

Call the company directly at the 800 number at

888-454-3374 and use my distributor number 6109801 to order your  Transfer 
Factor.  Order the Transfer Factor Plus Tri Factor (That is the human formula)  
I have found that it is the best for FeLV cats.)

If you have any  questions, you can call me at home at 740-992-5782.  I will be 
more than willing to speak with you about the health of your cats and kittens.

Karen Griffith 
Karen Griffith Farms
34440 State Route 7
Pomeroy, Ohio 45769
Phone: 740-992-5782
Website: www.karengriffith.com
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  - Original Message - 
  From: whocares whocares 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 12:03 AM
  Subject: RE: more questions and thankyou


  Hi,
  Firstly, thankyou to everyone who responded and for the advice thusfar. 
Milli's diahrea is getting better with Neorase and probiotics, etc..
  I've gotten 5 of the 7 new ones tested and they've all come back FeLV+. 5 are 
housed together and the other 2 are each in their own rooms. I have 8 immune 
challenged cats of my own (some of which are permanent fosters) and am a little 
worried now. 
  What precautions do I have to take? Is FeLV extremely contagious? My 
dishwasher has a sani cycle which I've been using. Does sanitizing kill the 
virus? Is it easily spread on clothes? How close does the contact have to be 
between cats? How long does the virus live outside the body?
  Lance, how much DMG do you give? I have some for my HCM kitty. 
  I live in Vancouver, BC, Canada. Does anyone know where I can get Transfer 
Factor? No naturpath, etc. here seems to have heard of it.
  I'm way over my head here. Please give me as much advice (even if it sounds 
simple) as you can.
  Thanks
  El

   


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Re: more questions and thankyou

[Gloria Lane]

I support and agree with what Brenda's saying.  I've had 8 or 10 FELV  
cats.  I started out being obsessive and suspicious about it, but  
moved into a different place based on the experience and info I've  
gathered.  Started to write a longer email, but changed my mind.  It's  
so sad, the hysteria and ignorance about FELV cats (and FIV also).


Gloria



On Feb 29, 2008, at 12:17 AM, Dorothy Noble wrote:


Belinda wrote:
FeLV IS NOT AS CONTAGIOUS AS SOME VETS TRY TO SCARE YOU INTO  
BELIEVING.� You can believe and do with your pets as you please but  
please don't post information you find on the internet as the  
absolute truth.� Anytime I hear that a negative has turned positive  
from exposure I can promise you almost all the time the cat was not  
vaccinated or tested a false negative and was positive all along.�  
A healthy vaccinated adult cat has virtually 0 chance of getting  
infected from a positive.� And if they did they would almost  
certainly fight it off.�


The funny thing is...

Re: more questions and thank you

[Belinda Sauro]

 Dorothy,
   If your going to "quote" me maybe you should read my WHOLE email:

the best place to get accurate info is from a vet who is knowledgable 
about FeLV and goes to continued education seminars, not the internet.

I think that covers this statement:

Have you ever heard of a library, Belinda?  Or a veterinarian?  
Perhaps those are sources you would like to consider, although I am 
sure that in your opinion, they are not accurate either.


By every other test I only see 2 and yes it is possible that both tests 
were false negatives.


Armond came to me at 4 weeks old - FeLV negative and _always_ 
immunized.  He was still negative at age 8 years when we moved to a 
new state and all of the animals were tested again before moving.  At 
age 8 1/2, we brought a stray in; after 6 months she got sick and we 
discovered she was FeLV positive.  Knowing that it _is_ extremely 
contagious, our vet wanted Armond tested immediately.  Sure enough, he 
was positive also.  Coincidence?  Every other test was a false negative?
I  love the way people like you read something the way they want to see 
it, I said nothing like this, what I said was MY THEN VET who I did put 
all my faith in being very young and naive and thinking my vet knew 
everything told me I didn't have to worry about exposing my cats because 
they were all indoor.  Of course I know better now, but back then I had 
only heard the word FeLV a few times and had no clue what it was and 
apparently neither did my vet.  My cats were vaccinated for everything 
BUT FeLV because my vet told me they didn't need to be being indoor 
ONLY.  Love the way you twisted my words below to suit yourself.


I see where you are trying to justify putting your own cats at risk.  
Since you can "promise" that the cat was "positive all along" you 
relieve yourself of any responsibility for intentionally putting them 
at risk for infection.  Shame on you.
Obviously my cats were/are my responsibility and what ever happens to 
them lays with me.  And yes the virus can sequester in the bone marrow 
and a cat can test negative.  The test is very delicate and false 
negatives are common like it or not.


I feel the same about your info, a lot of cats will die if their people 
listen to your scare tactics.


FeLV IS NOT AS CONTAGIOUS AS SOME VETS TRY TO SCARE YOU INTO 
BELIEVING." ? What part of this situation do you not understand?  And, 
how dare you pass this false information on to others?  What a 
terrible disservice you have done to anyone who reads this.  I am 
disgusted to think that people are listening to you and taking your 
advice.
If your going to continue to inform with false information and insist it 
is true I have no problem with that.  I think I have a lot more 
experience with FeLV and I have saved cats lives, not scared people into 
possibly ending them.


OH and I never said what I was saying was gospel, I've always said these 
are my experiences and there are many others I know on the list and off 
who have VERY similar experiences.  And from those experiences and LONG 
talks with my vet, those are my conclusions and opinions.


Every thing your stating your stating as fact.

I can assure you that I will not return to this "support group" again. 
I refuse to participate in a battle of wills with someone like you.  
Please do your homework about this before you feel the need to give 
any more possibly fatal advice.


Funny how everyone who hears FeLV info they don't like call it a battle 
of wills, my info is as valid as yours, your experience vs mine.


--

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Re: more questions and thank you

[Kelley Saveika]

Guys, come on..the list is just getting back on track after the last round
of arguing...




On 2/29/08, Belinda Sauro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   Dorothy,
> If your going to "quote" me maybe you should read my WHOLE email:
>
> the best place to get accurate info is from a vet who is knowledgable
> about FeLV and goes to continued education seminars, not the internet.
>
> I think that covers this statement:
>
> Have you ever heard of a library, Belinda?  Or a veterinarian?  Perhaps
> those are sources you would like to consider, although I am sure that in
> your opinion, they are not accurate either.
>
>
> By every other test I only see 2 and yes it is possible that both tests
> were false negatives.
>
>  Armond came to me at 4 weeks old - FeLV negative and *always* immunized.
> He was still negative at age 8 years when we moved to a new state and all of
> the animals were tested again before moving.  At age 8 1/2, we brought a
> stray in; after 6 months she got sick and we discovered she was FeLV
> positive.  Knowing that it *is* extremely contagious, our vet wanted
> Armond tested immediately.  Sure enough, he was positive also.
> Coincidence?  Every other test was a false negative?
>
> I  love the way people like you read something the way they want to see
> it, I said nothing like this, what I said was MY THEN VET who I did put all
> my faith in being very young and naive and thinking my vet knew everything
> told me I didn't have to worry about exposing my cats because they were all
> indoor.  Of course I know better now, but back then I had only heard the
> word FeLV a few times and had no clue what it was and apparently neither did
> my vet.  My cats were vaccinated for everything BUT FeLV because my vet told
> me they didn't need to be being indoor ONLY.  Love the way you twisted my
> words below to suit yourself.
>
> I see where you are trying to justify putting your own cats at risk.
> Since you can "promise" that the cat was "positive all along" you relieve
> yourself of any responsibility for intentionally putting them at risk for
> infection.  Shame on you.
>
> Obviously my cats were/are my responsibility and what ever happens to them
> lays with me.  And yes the virus can sequester in the bone marrow and a cat
> can test negative.  The test is very delicate and false negatives are common
> like it or not.
>
> I feel the same about your info, a lot of cats will die if their people
> listen to your scare tactics.
>
> FeLV IS NOT AS CONTAGIOUS AS SOME VETS TRY TO SCARE YOU INTO BELIEVING." ?
> What part of this situation do you not understand?  And, how dare you pass
> this false information on to others?  What a terrible disservice you have
> done to anyone who reads this.  I am disgusted to think that people are
> listening to you and taking your advice.
>
> If your going to continue to inform with false information and insist it
> is true I have no problem with that.  I think I have a lot more experience
> with FeLV and I have saved cats lives, not scared people into possibly
> ending them.
>
> OH and I never said what I was saying was gospel, I've always said these
> are my experiences and there are many others I know on the list and off who
> have VERY similar experiences.  And from those experiences and LONG talks
> with my vet, those are my conclusions and opinions.
>
> Every thing your stating your stating as fact.
>
> I can assure you that I will not return to this "support group" again. I
> refuse to participate in a battle of wills with someone like you.  Please do
> your homework about this before you feel the need to give any more possibly
> fatal advice.
>
>
> Funny how everyone who hears FeLV info they don't like call it a battle of
> wills, my info is as valid as yours, your experience vs mine.
>
> --
>
> Belinda
> happiness is being owned by cats ...
>
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>
>


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RE: more questions and thank you

[Rosenfeldt, Diane]

Belinda, this sounds like a losing battle.  Dorothy chooses to believe
what she chooses to believe, and feels the need to belittle anyone who
believes differently.  Sad.  At least the way she's treating her own
cats isn't actively endangering them, although possibly depriving them
of playmates.  I just hope she's not going around scaring other people
into euthanization with her "info."  She seems not to realize that vets
don't all keep current -- I know of some truly appallingly ignorant ones
who resist any change or challenge to what they think they know.  And
libraries can't hope to provide this kind of specialized, ever-changing
knowledge.  The internet is where it's happening, and it's too bad
people don't have the skills to seek out the most current and
knowledgeable sources, hard though that may be, and to at least lend
some credence to the voices of experience, whatever that experience may
be, on this valuable list.
 
Diane R.



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 6:54 AM
To: Dorothy Noble; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: more questions and thank you


  Dorothy,
If your going to "quote" me maybe you should read my WHOLE email:



the best place to get accurate info is from a vet who is
knowledgable about FeLV and goes to continued education seminars, not
the internet.

I think that covers this statement:



Have you ever heard of a library, Belinda?  Or a veterinarian?
Perhaps those are sources you would like to consider, although I am sure
that in your opinion, they are not accurate either.


By every other test I only see 2 and yes it is possible that both tests
were false negatives.



Armond came to me at 4 weeks old - FeLV negative and always
immunized.  He was still negative at age 8 years when we moved to a new
state and all of the animals were tested again before moving.  At age 8
1/2, we brought a stray in; after 6 months she got sick and we
discovered she was FeLV positive.  Knowing that it is extremely
contagious, our vet wanted Armond tested immediately.  Sure enough, he
was positive also.  Coincidence?  Every other test was a false negative?

I  love the way people like you read something the way they want to see
it, I said nothing like this, what I said was MY THEN VET who I did put
all my faith in being very young and naive and thinking my vet knew
everything told me I didn't have to worry about exposing my cats because
they were all indoor.  Of course I know better now, but back then I had
only heard the word FeLV a few times and had no clue what it was and
apparently neither did my vet.  My cats were vaccinated for everything
BUT FeLV because my vet told me they didn't need to be being indoor
ONLY.  Love the way you twisted my words below to suit yourself.



I see where you are trying to justify putting your own cats at
risk.  Since you can "promise" that the cat was "positive all along" you
relieve yourself of any responsibility for intentionally putting them at
risk for infection.  Shame on you.

Obviously my cats were/are my responsibility and what ever happens to
them lays with me.  And yes the virus can sequester in the bone marrow
and a cat can test negative.  The test is very delicate and false
negatives are common like it or not.

I feel the same about your info, a lot of cats will die if their people
listen to your scare tactics.



FeLV IS NOT AS CONTAGIOUS AS SOME VETS TRY TO SCARE YOU INTO
BELIEVING." ? What part of this situation do you not understand?  And,
how dare you pass this false information on to others?  What a terrible
disservice you have done to anyone who reads this.  I am disgusted to
think that people are listening to you and taking your advice.

If your going to continue to inform with false information and insist it
is true I have no problem with that.  I think I have a lot more
experience with FeLV and I have saved cats lives, not scared people into
possibly ending them.

OH and I never said what I was saying was gospel, I've always said these
are my experiences and there are many others I know on the list and off
who have VERY similar experiences.  And from those experiences and LONG
talks with my vet, those are my conclusions and opinions.

Every thing your stating your stating as fact.



I can assure you that I will not return to this "support group"
again. I refuse to participate in a battle of wills with someone like
you.  Please do your homework about this before you feel the need to
give any more possibly fatal advice.


Funny how everyone who hears FeLV info they don't like call it a battle
of wills, my info is as valid as yours, your experience vs mine.

-- 

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RE: new hope for Boo

[Stray Cat Alliance]

Lynne, my heart truly goes out to you, your husband and Boo. What love and 
compassion you have - that is truly worth its weight in gold. Love is the best 
medicine and you obviously have a lot of that! I am praying the treatments help 
Boo.
 
Best wishes,
Anita"Every year shelters kill almost 5,000,000 cats, dogs, puppies & kittens.  
Most were beautiful, loving creatures (even feral cats!) that died simply 
because they did not have a home.  Every puppy or kitten born costs a shelter 
animal its life. Save lives, spay-neuter, support Trap-Neuter-Return (TNR) & 
adopt for life!" Visit http://www.castawaycritters.org/info/display?PageID=153 
for information on Spay/Neuter in Mid-Central PAVisit http://www.alleycat.org 
for information on humane control of the feral and stray cat populationVisit 
http://www.cpaa.info for information on life-saving programs and organizations 
in Mid-Central PA 


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: new hope for BooDate: Thu, 28 Feb 
2008 17:17:18 -0500



Well, after bawling a lot last night and conferring with my husband while at 
work today I faxed off another letter to my vet letting him know that Bob and I 
would try any treatment that may possibly give BooBoo more time on this earth 
with us and I made a couple suggestions.  To my surprise he told me I could 
pick the interferon up tomorrow at the pharmacy I deal with and he would start 
the injections Saturday.  The other vet said it would do no good at this stage, 
but BooBoo's primary caregiver is more willing to try to help him, that is if 
we wish to go through with it.  I was so desparate today I wondered if he could 
be transfused to give him a better shot at battling this and he will be 
transfused next week.  His vet said they have a donor for him that is 
vaccinated yearly.  I didn't actually think there would be a live donor and was 
kind of dismayed to think another cat would have to do this for us but the vet 
assured me with cats their blood store is totally back to normal in a short 
time.  I even had a pharmacy tech offer her Himalayan as a donor.  I truly do 
not know if this will do any good whatsoever but what is there left to do.  If 
new blood and interferon can't help him, I honestly believe we can do nothing 
more.  I asked about other drugs too but the vet said he was really happy and 
thankful we're willing to go this far for him.  He has 3 cats of his own and 
does love cats.  He told us most positive cats or cats with FIP aren't given 
these chances so this is a first for him.  I know he will do everything he can 
to help BooBoo.  He really loves him too..If we can just give him a fighting 
chance here I'll try this Transfer Factor stuff that came in the mail today.  
 
Lynne
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Re: new hope for Boo

[Lynne]

Ah thanks Anita.  We had to rush him in this morning a day early because he was 
breathing through his mouth.  Dr. Gill, BooBoo's biggest admirer drew another 
100 cc from his lungs.  He immediately felt better and Dr. Gill handed him over 
to Bob to take home.  As soon as he got home he ate like a little horse and now 
is sleeping.  My husband and I keep asking each other if we're sure this is 
what we want to do and we both agree we've made a committment to try what's 
available to us and that's what we're going to do.  It will break my heart when 
our 19 year old goes but he has lead such a good life and still is but poor 
little BooBoo didn't deserve this and it could have easily been prevented by 
one frickin vaccine that a stupid cat breeder neglected to do.  I hope the 
woman who took the 300 bucks from us for him uses the money to go out for 
dinner and chokes.  I'm appalled that they know what we're going through and 
didn't at the very least give back the money to help us offset his  vet bills.  
I'm not done with these people.  I'm just too busy with Boo at the moment to 
get really vindictive.

Lynne
  - Original Message - 
  From: Stray Cat Alliance 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 10:56 AM
  Subject: RE: new hope for Boo


  Lynne, my heart truly goes out to you, your husband and Boo. What love and 
compassion you have - that is truly worth its weight in gold. Love is the best 
medicine and you obviously have a lot of that! I am praying the treatments help 
Boo.
   
  Best wishes,
  Anita

  "Every year shelters kill almost 5,000,000 cats, dogs, puppies & kittens.  

  Most were beautiful, loving creatures (even feral cats!) that died simply 
because they did not have a home.  
  Every puppy or kitten born costs a shelter animal its life. 

  Save lives, spay-neuter, support Trap-Neuter-Return (TNR) & adopt for life!"
   
  Visit http://www.castawaycritters.org/info/display?PageID=153 for information 
on Spay/Neuter in Mid-Central PA
  Visit http://www.alleycat.org for information on humane control of the feral 
and stray cat population
  Visit http://www.cpaa.info for information on life-saving programs and 
organizations in Mid-Central PA



   






From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: new hope for Boo
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:17:18 -0500


Well, after bawling a lot last night and conferring with my husband while 
at work today I faxed off another letter to my vet letting him know that Bob 
and I would try any treatment that may possibly give BooBoo more time on this 
earth with us and I made a couple suggestions.  To my surprise he told me I 
could pick the interferon up tomorrow at the pharmacy I deal with and he would 
start the injections Saturday.  The other vet said it would do no good at this 
stage, but BooBoo's primary caregiver is more willing to try to help him, that 
is if we wish to go through with it.  I was so desparate today I wondered if he 
could be transfused to give him a better shot at battling this and he will be 
transfused next week.  His vet said they have a donor for him that is 
vaccinated yearly.  I didn't actually think there would be a live donor and was 
kind of dismayed to think another cat would have to do this for us but the vet 
assured me with cats their blood store is totally back to normal in a short 
time.  I even had a pharmacy tech offer her Himalayan as a donor.  I truly do 
not know if this will do any good whatsoever but what is there left to do.  If 
new blood and interferon can't help him, I honestly believe we can do nothing 
more.  I asked about other drugs too but the vet said he was really happy and 
thankful we're willing to go this far for him.  He has 3 cats of his own and 
does love cats.  He told us most positive cats or cats with FIP aren't given 
these chances so this is a first for him.  I know he will do everything he can 
to help BooBoo.  He really loves him too..If we can just give him a fighting 
chance here I'll try this Transfer Factor stuff that came in the mail today.  

Lynne


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Re: more questions and thankyou

[Gloria Lane]

You can order ImmunoRegulin yourself - that's what I've done.  Vet can  
of course get it.  I ordered it from RevivalAnimal.com and they also  
sell it thru Amazon.com


Gloria



On Feb 29, 2008, at 1:15 PM, whocares whocares wrote:

Oh boy, I'm sorry I opened Pandora's box here. Thank you Karen. I  
will call you this evening and thank you for the distributor number.
Is Immune Regulin readily available to vets everywhere? These guys  
blood panels are awful.
Some of these little guys have come back FeLV-. I've had them vaxed  
for FeLV. I know they need retesting but it gives me a bit of hope.  
The vet says he's found that the vax isn't very good and that it  
works about 40% of the time. Another vet said it works up to 70% so  
who knows. It's the best I can do.
I'm very worried about two of these little ones that are really sick  
- the one who had the severely infected mouth still is coughing and  
sneezing and some diahrea although the Neorase and probiotics help  
somewhat. The other little guy is about 2 and also has a heart  
murmur. He has spurts of energy but mostly rests. His URI is so  
stubborn, and he's still pussy despite all efforts so far.
My own little guys are starting to feel the strain and my HCM guy is  
having some problems as are a few others, and I'm getting weary.


Lynne, my heart goes out to you. I'm sorry BooBoo is so very ill. I  
also would highly recommend the FIP group and the Australian FIP  
group. They are very knowledgeable.


The first website I checked out was the Cornell one. Does anyone  
know of any  informative websites? One thing that doesn't make sense  
to me is to bleach everything and then ONLY vacuum carpets. Carpets  
are known to harbor pathogens.  Anyway, it seems conflicting but  
like I said I don't know anything about this.

Thanks

Re: more questions and thankyou

[Lynne]

El, I started BooBoo on the Transfer Factor today.  I don't know if it will 
help but I'll try anything.  Karen told me to give it to him like any other 
pill but we had to rush him in today as I mentioned for another 100 cc to be 
taken from his lungs so a little while ago I got some food that has a lot of 
juice in it and broke one of the capsules and mixed the powder into the juice.  
He licked a lot of it but hopefully will go back to eat the rest in a while.  I 
have to be careful giving this guy pills because he gets pretty frantic and 
that can't be good for his breathing so I'm gonna try to get a capsule in him 
daily one trick or another.  Poor Boo has a bit of a heart murmur too, but then 
again, so does my 19 year old cat and me as well and we're doing ok.  I joined 
the FIP group.  I'm growing exhausted reading and researching these diseases, 
always looking for a ray of hope only to find more dismal results.  We're kind 
of on a path now and other than the Transfer Factor and lung draining we will 
just try to live a normal human/cat life.

Lynne
  - Original Message - 
  From: whocares whocares 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 2:15 PM
  Subject: RE: more questions and thankyou


  Oh boy, I'm sorry I opened Pandora's box here. Thank you Karen. I will call 
you this evening and thank you for the distributor number.
  Is Immune Regulin readily available to vets everywhere? These guys blood 
panels are awful.
  Some of these little guys have come back FeLV-. I've had them vaxed for FeLV. 
I know they need retesting but it gives me a bit of hope. The vet says he's 
found that the vax isn't very good and that it works about 40% of the time. 
Another vet said it works up to 70% so who knows. It's the best I can do.
  I'm very worried about two of these little ones that are really sick - the 
one who had the severely infected mouth still is coughing and sneezing and some 
diahrea although the Neorase and probiotics help somewhat. The other little guy 
is about 2 and also has a heart murmur. He has spurts of energy but mostly 
rests. His URI is so stubborn, and he's still pussy despite all efforts so far. 
  My own little guys are starting to feel the strain and my HCM guy is having 
some problems as are a few others, and I'm getting weary.
   
  Lynne, my heart goes out to you. I'm sorry BooBoo is so very ill. I also 
would highly recommend the FIP group and the Australian FIP group. They are 
very knowledgeable.
   
  The first website I checked out was the Cornell one. Does anyone know of any  
informative websites? One thing that doesn't make sense to me is to bleach 
everything and then ONLY vacuum carpets. Carpets are known to harbor pathogens. 
 Anyway, it seems conflicting but like I said I don't know anything about this.
  Thanks
  El
   
   


   


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On 2/29/08, Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> You can order ImmunoRegulin yourself - that's what I've done.  Vet can of
> course get it.  I ordered it from RevivalAnimal.com and they also sell it
> thru Amazon.com 
>
> Gloria
>
>
>
>
>  On Feb 29, 2008, at 1:15 PM, whocares whocares wrote:
>
>  Oh boy, I'm sorry I opened Pandora's box here. Thank you Karen. I will
> call you this evening and thank you for the distributor number.
> Is Immune Regulin readily available to vets everywhere? These guys blood
> panels are awful.
> Some of these little guys have come back FeLV-. I've had them vaxed for
> FeLV. I know they need retesting but it gives me a bit of hope. The vet says
> he's found that the vax isn't very good and that it works about 40% of the
> time. Another vet said it works up to 70% so who knows. It's the best I can
> do.
> I'm very worried about two of these little ones that are really sick - the
> one who had the severely infected mouth still is coughing and sneezing and
> some diahrea although the Neorase and probiotics help somewhat. The other
> little guy is about 2 and also has a heart murmur. He has spurts of energy
> but mostly rests. His URI is so stubborn, and he's still pussy despite all
> efforts so far.
> My own little guys are starting to feel the strain and my HCM guy is
> having some problems as are a few others, and I'm getting weary.
>
> Lynne, my heart goes out to you. I'm sorry BooBoo is so very ill. I also
> would highly recommend the FIP group and the Australian FIP group. They are
> very knowledgeable.
>
> The first website I checked out was the Cornell one. Does anyone know of
> any  informative websites? One thing that doesn't make sense to me is to
> bleach everything and then ONLY vacuum carpets. Carpets are known to harbor
> pathogens.  Anyway, it seems conflicting but like I said I don't know
> anything about this.
> Thanks
>
>


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Re: new hope for Boo

[dede hicken]

I came in a little late to all this that BooBoo has
been going through, and I missed
something...obviously.  You got this cat from a
Breeder  And they did NOT give you your money
back??? (Not that it would have helped Boo, but the
gesture would have been nice)

I hope you fry their (   ).  People like this should
be prosacuted for the sake of the cats and the misery
they put the people through.  I hope you are saving
every single receipt.

So glad Boo is feeling better.  I hope both he and you
have a lovely weekend!

Dede 



--- Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Ah thanks Anita.  We had to rush him in this morning
> a day early because he was breathing through his
> mouth.  Dr. Gill, BooBoo's biggest admirer drew
> another 100 cc from his lungs.  He immediately felt
> better and Dr. Gill handed him over to Bob to take
> home.  As soon as he got home he ate like a little
> horse and now is sleeping.  My husband and I keep
> asking each other if we're sure this is what we want
> to do and we both agree we've made a committment to
> try what's available to us and that's what we're
> going to do.  It will break my heart when our 19
> year old goes but he has lead such a good life and
> still is but poor little BooBoo didn't deserve this
> and it could have easily been prevented by one
> frickin vaccine that a stupid cat breeder neglected
> to do.  I hope the woman who took the 300 bucks from
> us for him uses the money to go out for dinner and
> chokes.  I'm appalled that they know what we're
> going through and didn't at the very least give back
> the money to help us offset his  vet bills.  I'm not
> done with these people.  I'm just too busy with Boo
> at the moment to get really vindictive.
> 
> Lynne
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Stray Cat Alliance 
>   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>   Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 10:56 AM
>   Subject: RE: new hope for Boo
> 
> 
>   Lynne, my heart truly goes out to you, your
> husband and Boo. What love and compassion you have -
> that is truly worth its weight in gold. Love is the
> best medicine and you obviously have a lot of that!
> I am praying the treatments help Boo.
>
>   Best wishes,
>   Anita
> 
>   "Every year shelters kill almost 5,000,000 cats,
> dogs, puppies & kittens.  
> 
>   Most were beautiful, loving creatures (even feral
> cats!) that died simply because they did not have a
> home.  
>   Every puppy or kitten born costs a shelter animal
> its life. 
> 
>   Save lives, spay-neuter, support
> Trap-Neuter-Return (TNR) & adopt for life!"
>
>   Visit
>
http://www.castawaycritters.org/info/display?PageID=153
> for information on Spay/Neuter in Mid-Central PA
>   Visit http://www.alleycat.org for information on
> humane control of the feral and stray cat population
>   Visit http://www.cpaa.info for information on
> life-saving programs and organizations in
> Mid-Central PA
> 
> 
> 
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>

> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: new hope for Boo
> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:17:18 -0500
> 
> 
> Well, after bawling a lot last night and
> conferring with my husband while at work today I
> faxed off another letter to my vet letting him know
> that Bob and I would try any treatment that may
> possibly give BooBoo more time on this earth with us
> and I made a couple suggestions.  To my surprise he
> told me I could pick the interferon up tomorrow at
> the pharmacy I deal with and he would start the
> injections Saturday.  The other vet said it would do
> no good at this stage, but BooBoo's primary
> caregiver is more willing to try to help him, that
> is if we wish to go through with it.  I was so
> desparate today I wondered if he could be transfused
> to give him a better shot at battling this and he
> will be transfused next week.  His vet said they
> have a donor for him that is vaccinated yearly.  I
> didn't actually think there would be a live donor
> and was kind of dismayed to think another cat would
> have to do this for us but the vet assured me with
> cats their blood store is totally back to normal in
> a short time.  I even had a pharmacy tech offer her
> Himalayan as a donor.  I truly do not know if this
> will do any good whatsoever but what is there left
> to do.  If new blood and interferon can't help him,
> I honestly believe we can do nothing more.  I asked
> about other drugs too but the vet said he was really
> happy and thankful we're willing to go this far for
> him.  He has 3 cats of his own and does love cats. 
> He told us most positive cats or cats with FIP
> aren't given these chances so this is a first for
> him.  I know he will do everything he can to help
> BooBoo.  He really loves him too..If we can just
> give him a fighting chance here I'll try this
> Transfer Factor stuff that came in the mail today.  
> 
> Lynne
> 
> 
>
---

Re: new hope for Boo

[Lynne]

Dede, she was not a registered breeder but just had all these Himalayans.  I
found out about BooBoo being for sale online of all places.  The only reason
I bought him was because he is BooBoo, a cat I had got to know well through
the previous summer and fall as he would come to my house all of the time
and we'd feed, groom and tend to his wounds.  He had a little collar on and
I would put messages on his collar for them to take him to the vet because
of his bloodied ears etc and one time the owner came around wanting to know
if I had him, which I didn't and I lit into her about her neglect and
threatened to take him to the humane society  if she didn't keep care of
him.  She and I aren't exactly buddies.  I dealt with her two daughters when
I bought Boo.  The daughter told me that to her knowledge he had been
vaccinated, I didn't ask for proof of vaccination but assumed he had been.
This is one of those buyer beware situations I guess.  I'm convinced now
they knew he was not well.  After they agreed to sell him to me we were not
able to actually have him for almost 2 weeks.  They kept making excuses
about family wanting to see him, he was asleep with the other cats, etc etc.
I would ask the daughter, is there something wrong with him, is he ok and
she would just laugh it off and say, he's great.  Even if I had known he was
ill I would have taken him.  It's weird but it's like this cat was destined
to be ours.  Once the cold weather came and he stayed inside, I would come
home every day from work and hope that he would come out from under the
trailer in our driveway and I would steal him so he'd never have to leave
again.  It was a dream come true to get him and now this.

Lynne
- Original Message -
From: "dede hicken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: new hope for Boo


> I came in a little late to all this that BooBoo has
> been going through, and I missed
> something...obviously.  You got this cat from a
> Breeder  And they did NOT give you your money
> back??? (Not that it would have helped Boo, but the
> gesture would have been nice)
>
> I hope you fry their (   ).  People like this should
> be prosacuted for the sake of the cats and the misery
> they put the people through.  I hope you are saving
> every single receipt.
>
> So glad Boo is feeling better.  I hope both he and you
> have a lovely weekend!
>
> Dede
>
>
>
> --- Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Ah thanks Anita.  We had to rush him in this morning
> > a day early because he was breathing through his
> > mouth.  Dr. Gill, BooBoo's biggest admirer drew
> > another 100 cc from his lungs.  He immediately felt
> > better and Dr. Gill handed him over to Bob to take
> > home.  As soon as he got home he ate like a little
> > horse and now is sleeping.  My husband and I keep
> > asking each other if we're sure this is what we want
> > to do and we both agree we've made a committment to
> > try what's available to us and that's what we're
> > going to do.  It will break my heart when our 19
> > year old goes but he has lead such a good life and
> > still is but poor little BooBoo didn't deserve this
> > and it could have easily been prevented by one
> > frickin vaccine that a stupid cat breeder neglected
> > to do.  I hope the woman who took the 300 bucks from
> > us for him uses the money to go out for dinner and
> > chokes.  I'm appalled that they know what we're
> > going through and didn't at the very least give back
> > the money to help us offset his  vet bills.  I'm not
> > done with these people.  I'm just too busy with Boo
> > at the moment to get really vindictive.
> >
> > Lynne
> >   - Original Message -
> >   From: Stray Cat Alliance
> >   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >   Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 10:56 AM
> >   Subject: RE: new hope for Boo
> >
> >
> >   Lynne, my heart truly goes out to you, your
> > husband and Boo. What love and compassion you have -
> > that is truly worth its weight in gold. Love is the
> > best medicine and you obviously have a lot of that!
> > I am praying the treatments help Boo.
> >
> >   Best wishes,
> >   Anita
> >
> >   "Every year shelters kill almost 5,000,000 cats,
> > dogs, puppies & kittens.
> >
> >   Most were beautiful, loving creatures (even feral
> > cats!) that died simply because they did not have a
> > home.
> >   Every puppy or kitten born costs a shelter animal
> > its life.
> >
> >   Save lives, spay-neuter, support
> > Trap-Neuter-Return (TNR) & adopt for life!"
> >
> >   Visit
> >
> http://www.castawaycritters.org/info/display?PageID=153
> > for information on Spay/Neuter in Mid-Central PA
> >   Visit http://www.alleycat.org for information on
> > humane control of the feral and stray cat population
> >   Visit http://www.cpaa.info for information on
> > life-saving programs and organizations in
> > Mid-Central PA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> ---

Re: new hope for Boo

[dede hicken]

I would believe that in most states, the minute you
take money for something, and verify it is healthy or
it works, you are committed to be truthful about it. 
If not, it seems like fraud.

One thing is for sure, Boo would have never gotten the
care you have given him had he stayed there.  Even
with a shorter life, it is better to know love and
have quality in your existence.

You are fortunate that Boo does so well after the
aspirations.  My soul mate, Smokey died from cancer,
and each time we did the aspiration, he'd get a bit
worse...plus he wasn't eating.  It must make you feel
great to see him eating so well.

All the best,
Dede



--- Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Dede, she was not a registered breeder but just had
> all these Himalayans.  I
> found out about BooBoo being for sale online of all
> places.  The only reason
> I bought him was because he is BooBoo, a cat I had
> got to know well through
> the previous summer and fall as he would come to my
> house all of the time
> and we'd feed, groom and tend to his wounds.  He had
> a little collar on and
> I would put messages on his collar for them to take
> him to the vet because
> of his bloodied ears etc and one time the owner came
> around wanting to know
> if I had him, which I didn't and I lit into her
> about her neglect and
> threatened to take him to the humane society  if she
> didn't keep care of
> him.  She and I aren't exactly buddies.  I dealt
> with her two daughters when
> I bought Boo.  The daughter told me that to her
> knowledge he had been
> vaccinated, I didn't ask for proof of vaccination
> but assumed he had been.
> This is one of those buyer beware situations I
> guess.  I'm convinced now
> they knew he was not well.  After they agreed to
> sell him to me we were not
> able to actually have him for almost 2 weeks.  They
> kept making excuses
> about family wanting to see him, he was asleep with
> the other cats, etc etc.
> I would ask the daughter, is there something wrong
> with him, is he ok and
> she would just laugh it off and say, he's great. 
> Even if I had known he was
> ill I would have taken him.  It's weird but it's
> like this cat was destined
> to be ours.  Once the cold weather came and he
> stayed inside, I would come
> home every day from work and hope that he would come
> out from under the
> trailer in our driveway and I would steal him so
> he'd never have to leave
> again.  It was a dream come true to get him and now
> this.
> 
> Lynne
> - Original Message -
> From: "dede hicken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 3:57 PM
> Subject: Re: new hope for Boo
> 
> 
> > I came in a little late to all this that BooBoo
> has
> > been going through, and I missed
> > something...obviously.  You got this cat from a
> > Breeder  And they did NOT give you your money
> > back??? (Not that it would have helped Boo, but
> the
> > gesture would have been nice)
> >
> > I hope you fry their (   ).  People like this
> should
> > be prosacuted for the sake of the cats and the
> misery
> > they put the people through.  I hope you are
> saving
> > every single receipt.
> >
> > So glad Boo is feeling better.  I hope both he and
> you
> > have a lovely weekend!
> >
> > Dede
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Ah thanks Anita.  We had to rush him in this
> morning
> > > a day early because he was breathing through his
> > > mouth.  Dr. Gill, BooBoo's biggest admirer drew
> > > another 100 cc from his lungs.  He immediately
> felt
> > > better and Dr. Gill handed him over to Bob to
> take
> > > home.  As soon as he got home he ate like a
> little
> > > horse and now is sleeping.  My husband and I
> keep
> > > asking each other if we're sure this is what we
> want
> > > to do and we both agree we've made a committment
> to
> > > try what's available to us and that's what we're
> > > going to do.  It will break my heart when our 19
> > > year old goes but he has lead such a good life
> and
> > > still is but poor little BooBoo didn't deserve
> this
> > > and it could have easily been prevented by one
> > > frickin vaccine that a stupid cat breeder
> neglected
> > > to do.  I hope the woman who took the 300 bucks
> from
> > > us for him uses the money to go out for dinner
> and
> > > chokes.  I'm appalled that they know what we're
> > > going through and didn't at the very least give
> back
> > > the money to help us offset his  vet bills.  I'm
> not
> > > done with these people.  I'm just too busy with
> Boo
> > > at the moment to get really vindictive.
> > >
> > > Lynne
> > >   - Original Message -
> > >   From: Stray Cat Alliance
> > >   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > >   Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 10:56 AM
> > >   Subject: RE: new hope for Boo
> > >
> > >
> > >   Lynne, my heart truly goes out to you, your
> > > husband and Boo. What love and compassion you
> have -
> > > that is truly worth its weight in gold. Love is
> the
> > > best medicine 

Re: new hope for Boo

[Lynne]

Ah, poor Smokey.  I wish it could have helped him. Of course Boo doesn't
have cancer, that we know of, but after these aspirations he's a new cat for
a couple days.  Even his vet is amazed at how he rebounds.  Unfortunately,
this is turning out to be a weekly thing and I don't know how long his
little body can tolerate it.  They've had to shave two areas on his sides to
put the needles in.  Its terrible but when he stretches out on the bed he
looks like one of those skinned rabbits in the frozen meat department.  I
tried cooking one of those things once when Bob and I first were married and
we had to toss it out because it was just so nightmarish looking.  Now
BooBoo kind of looks like that.  I keep combing his long hair over the
patches.  Poor little guy.

Lynne
- Original Message -
From: "dede hicken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: new hope for Boo


> I would believe that in most states, the minute you
> take money for something, and verify it is healthy or
> it works, you are committed to be truthful about it.
> If not, it seems like fraud.
>
> One thing is for sure, Boo would have never gotten the
> care you have given him had he stayed there.  Even
> with a shorter life, it is better to know love and
> have quality in your existence.
>
> You are fortunate that Boo does so well after the
> aspirations.  My soul mate, Smokey died from cancer,
> and each time we did the aspiration, he'd get a bit
> worse...plus he wasn't eating.  It must make you feel
> great to see him eating so well.
>
> All the best,
> Dede
>
>
>
> --- Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Dede, she was not a registered breeder but just had
> > all these Himalayans.  I
> > found out about BooBoo being for sale online of all
> > places.  The only reason
> > I bought him was because he is BooBoo, a cat I had
> > got to know well through
> > the previous summer and fall as he would come to my
> > house all of the time
> > and we'd feed, groom and tend to his wounds.  He had
> > a little collar on and
> > I would put messages on his collar for them to take
> > him to the vet because
> > of his bloodied ears etc and one time the owner came
> > around wanting to know
> > if I had him, which I didn't and I lit into her
> > about her neglect and
> > threatened to take him to the humane society  if she
> > didn't keep care of
> > him.  She and I aren't exactly buddies.  I dealt
> > with her two daughters when
> > I bought Boo.  The daughter told me that to her
> > knowledge he had been
> > vaccinated, I didn't ask for proof of vaccination
> > but assumed he had been.
> > This is one of those buyer beware situations I
> > guess.  I'm convinced now
> > they knew he was not well.  After they agreed to
> > sell him to me we were not
> > able to actually have him for almost 2 weeks.  They
> > kept making excuses
> > about family wanting to see him, he was asleep with
> > the other cats, etc etc.
> > I would ask the daughter, is there something wrong
> > with him, is he ok and
> > she would just laugh it off and say, he's great.
> > Even if I had known he was
> > ill I would have taken him.  It's weird but it's
> > like this cat was destined
> > to be ours.  Once the cold weather came and he
> > stayed inside, I would come
> > home every day from work and hope that he would come
> > out from under the
> > trailer in our driveway and I would steal him so
> > he'd never have to leave
> > again.  It was a dream come true to get him and now
> > this.
> >
> > Lynne
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "dede hicken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: 
> > Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 3:57 PM
> > Subject: Re: new hope for Boo
> >
> >
> > > I came in a little late to all this that BooBoo
> > has
> > > been going through, and I missed
> > > something...obviously.  You got this cat from a
> > > Breeder  And they did NOT give you your money
> > > back??? (Not that it would have helped Boo, but
> > the
> > > gesture would have been nice)
> > >
> > > I hope you fry their (   ).  People like this
> > should
> > > be prosacuted for the sake of the cats and the
> > misery
> > > they put the people through.  I hope you are
> > saving
> > > every single receipt.
> > >
> > > So glad Boo is feeling better.  I hope both he and
> > you
> > > have a lovely weekend!
> > >
> > > Dede
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Ah thanks Anita.  We had to rush him in this
> > morning
> > > > a day early because he was breathing through his
> > > > mouth.  Dr. Gill, BooBoo's biggest admirer drew
> > > > another 100 cc from his lungs.  He immediately
> > felt
> > > > better and Dr. Gill handed him over to Bob to
> > take
> > > > home.  As soon as he got home he ate like a
> > little
> > > > horse and now is sleeping.  My husband and I
> > keep
> > > > asking each other if we're sure this is what we
> > want
> > > > to do and we both agree we've made a committment
> > to
> > > > try wh

Re: new hope for Boo

[Marylyn]

He doesn't think he is poor.look at the love around him.  And cats  
don't just by appearances the way people do.

On Feb 29, 2008, at 5:19 PM, Lynne wrote:

Ah, poor Smokey.  I wish it could have helped him. Of course Boo  
doesn't
have cancer, that we know of, but after these aspirations he's a new  
cat for
a couple days.  Even his vet is amazed at how he rebounds.   
Unfortunately,

this is turning out to be a weekly thing and I don't know how long his
little body can tolerate it.  They've had to shave two areas on his  
sides to
put the needles in.  Its terrible but when he stretches out on the  
bed he
looks like one of those skinned rabbits in the frozen meat  
department.  I
tried cooking one of those things once when Bob and I first were  
married and

we had to toss it out because it was just so nightmarish looking.  Now
BooBoo kind of looks like that.  I keep combing his long hair over the
patches.  Poor little guy.

Lynne
- Original Message -
From: "dede hicken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: new hope for Boo



I would believe that in most states, the minute you
take money for something, and verify it is healthy or
it works, you are committed to be truthful about it.
If not, it seems like fraud.

One thing is for sure, Boo would have never gotten the
care you have given him had he stayed there.  Even
with a shorter life, it is better to know love and
have quality in your existence.

You are fortunate that Boo does so well after the
aspirations.  My soul mate, Smokey died from cancer,
and each time we did the aspiration, he'd get a bit
worse...plus he wasn't eating.  It must make you feel
great to see him eating so well.

All the best,
Dede



--- Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Dede, she was not a registered breeder but just had
all these Himalayans.  I
found out about BooBoo being for sale online of all
places.  The only reason
I bought him was because he is BooBoo, a cat I had
got to know well through
the previous summer and fall as he would come to my
house all of the time
and we'd feed, groom and tend to his wounds.  He had
a little collar on and
I would put messages on his collar for them to take
him to the vet because
of his bloodied ears etc and one time the owner came
around wanting to know
if I had him, which I didn't and I lit into her
about her neglect and
threatened to take him to the humane society  if she
didn't keep care of
him.  She and I aren't exactly buddies.  I dealt
with her two daughters when
I bought Boo.  The daughter told me that to her
knowledge he had been
vaccinated, I didn't ask for proof of vaccination
but assumed he had been.
This is one of those buyer beware situations I
guess.  I'm convinced now
they knew he was not well.  After they agreed to
sell him to me we were not
able to actually have him for almost 2 weeks.  They
kept making excuses
about family wanting to see him, he was asleep with
the other cats, etc etc.
I would ask the daughter, is there something wrong
with him, is he ok and
she would just laugh it off and say, he's great.
Even if I had known he was
ill I would have taken him.  It's weird but it's
like this cat was destined
to be ours.  Once the cold weather came and he
stayed inside, I would come
home every day from work and hope that he would come
out from under the
trailer in our driveway and I would steal him so
he'd never have to leave
again.  It was a dream come true to get him and now
this.

Lynne
- Original Message -
From: "dede hicken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: new hope for Boo



I came in a little late to all this that BooBoo

has

been going through, and I missed
something...obviously.  You got this cat from a
Breeder  And they did NOT give you your money
back??? (Not that it would have helped Boo, but

the

gesture would have been nice)

I hope you fry their (   ).  People like this

should

be prosacuted for the sake of the cats and the

misery

they put the people through.  I hope you are

saving

every single receipt.

So glad Boo is feeling better.  I hope both he and

you

have a lovely weekend!

Dede



--- Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Ah thanks Anita.  We had to rush him in this

morning

a day early because he was breathing through his
mouth.  Dr. Gill, BooBoo's biggest admirer drew
another 100 cc from his lungs.  He immediately

felt

better and Dr. Gill handed him over to Bob to

take

home.  As soon as he got home he ate like a

little

horse and now is sleeping.  My husband and I

keep

asking each other if we're sure this is what we

want

to do and we both agree we've made a committment

to

try what's available to us and that's what we're
going to do.  It will break my heart when our 19
year old goes but he has lead such a good life

and

still is but poor little BooBoo didn't deserve

this

and it could have easily been prevented by one
frickin vaccine that a stupid cat breeder

neglected

Re: FIV

[MaryChristine]

well, let's see--susan hoffman and i the co-moderators of the oldest FIV
group on yahoo; which is FIVCats2, for reasons that are way too complicated
to go into.

i am currently owned by two of the little beasts, and have been living with
them since 2002 when i moved into a FeLV/FIV sanctuary.

does that count as direct experience?

FIV has NOTHING WHATSOEVER in common with HIV: FeLV is much closer in terms
of how it's transmitted, it's course, and everything else.

the first investigators to isolate it did so in 1987, at the height of the
HIV/AIDS panic, and gave it a name that has killed far more cats than the
virus ever will. the only people who liken it at all to HIV/AIDS anymore are
the original researchers, who seem to have an investment in doing so,
despite years of research showing them to be in error. these folks use
HIV/AIDS terminology, which is pretty absurd, since H = human, after all.

the snap test is wrong 40% of the time, even in non-vaccinated cats; the
vaccine has not been proved effective in independent tests (another fine
product of Ft Dodge), and WILL cause any cat to test positive for life, even
on the confirmatory test, which is the western blot.

FIV cats, most of whom are male, mostly turn into, well, pussycats once
neutered--and couldn't bother biting anyone hard enough to transmit the
virus; when we get timid housecats in who actually DO test positive on the
western blot, one of our vets says that the cat was probably bitten on the
butt trying to run away.

should a cat remain aggressive post-altering, filing down or removing the
canines prevents them from biting deeply enough.

FIVs are more prone to herpes infections and stomatitis than non-FIVs, it
seems, but basically they are VERY VERY healthy: sanctuary anecdotal info
(which, like with FeLV, is all there was for a long time) shows that FIVs
are healthier than any other population. yes, they get sick, but they
respond to treatment as well as any other cat.

most FIVs die with the virus, not from it, tho, of course, other things can
get them as well.

MC

On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Caroline Kaufmann <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  Does anyone have any direct experience with FIV that they can pass on to
> me?  I know the gist of course, since I foster cats and have "met" *and
> lost the battle to*- both Felv and FIP in the past year (ugh).  I have
> heard that cats with FIV can be fairly successful- live heathly lives barely
> affected by the disease (is this true?), and it really is a lot like human
> HIV?  I have also heard this is the one retroviruses that is transmitted by
> deep bite wounds and NOT casual contact?
>
> I am going to help a man who has taken in a alley cat that hung around his
> house for about 3 years that tested positive of FIV.  He was clearly
> neutered by alley cat advocates b/c he has a tipped ear.  He says it's a
> wonderful, approx. 5 yo tuxie.  He has him in the bedroom for now (his only
> room with a door in his house) because his own cat is an extremely
> aggressive, neutered male and after 3 years of the tuxie hanging around
> outside, and being in the house for a while now- they can't sort out their
> differences and they will fight.  He wishes he could keep the cat but with
> his cat- being such an aggressive fighter, and the tuxie being a fighter
> when need be (alley cat mentality)-- he just doesn't see it as possible due
> to transmission to his cat.
>
> The cat did get outside and got in a fight recently- ended up with an
> abcess on his ear- being treated by a vet, stint put in and he has a f-u
> next week- but it was at that appointment that the vet found the FIV and
> said "segregate!"- as they always do.
>
> I am going to work to get the cat into our adoption program as a "special
> needs" cat in the hopes that someone w/o other cats, with a non-aggressive
> cat, with a docile female, with other FIV cats, etc., would be willing to
> take him on.  In the meantime, this man has agreed to continue to "foster"
> him in his home while I work to help him out with the situation.
>
> In the meantime, I want to build up my knowledge so that I have "talking
> points" for potential adoptive parents and I can educate if someone w/o
> prior FIV experience is willing to take him.  The man seems to understand
> that he could have a cat on his hands with something a lot worse (like Felv
> or FIP), so he's definitely not an overreactor and he seems well-educated.
>
> Any info that anyone has will be great!  Especially PERSONAL EXPERIENCE
> and/or accurate and trustworthy websites I can read and pass on to others!
>
> thanks,
> Caroline
>
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Re: FIV

[Sherry DeHaan]

MaryChristine,I agree with you that the fiv+ boys are the best.My 3 fiv boys 
are the sweetest babies and my fiv girl is a sweetie too.I will probably ALWAYS 
only adopt fiv cats from now on.We have around 70 fiv cats at Sids and I would 
say that 95% are very sweet.Of course as with any cats you can get grumpy ones 
too.
  Sherry

MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  well, let's see--susan hoffman and i the co-moderators of the oldest FIV 
group on yahoo; which is FIVCats2, for reasons that are way too complicated to 
go into.

i am currently owned by two of the little beasts, and have been living with 
them since 2002 when i moved into a FeLV/FIV sanctuary.

does that count as direct experience?

FIV has NOTHING WHATSOEVER in common with HIV: FeLV is much closer in terms of 
how it's transmitted, it's course, and everything else.

the first investigators to isolate it did so in 1987, at the height of the 
HIV/AIDS panic, and gave it a name that has killed far more cats than the virus 
ever will. the only people who liken it at all to HIV/AIDS anymore are the 
original researchers, who seem to have an investment in doing so, despite years 
of research showing them to be in error. these folks use HIV/AIDS terminology, 
which is pretty absurd, since H = human, after all.

the snap test is wrong 40% of the time, even in non-vaccinated cats; the 
vaccine has not been proved effective in independent tests (another fine 
product of Ft Dodge), and WILL cause any cat to test positive for life, even on 
the confirmatory test, which is the western blot.

FIV cats, most of whom are male, mostly turn into, well, pussycats once 
neutered--and couldn't bother biting anyone hard enough to transmit the virus; 
when we get timid housecats in who actually DO test positive on the western 
blot, one of our vets says that the cat was probably bitten on the butt trying 
to run away. 

should a cat remain aggressive post-altering, filing down or removing the 
canines prevents them from biting deeply enough.

FIVs are more prone to herpes infections and stomatitis than non-FIVs, it 
seems, but basically they are VERY VERY healthy: sanctuary anecdotal info 
(which, like with FeLV, is all there was for a long time) shows that FIVs are 
healthier than any other population. yes, they get sick, but they respond to 
treatment as well as any other cat.

most FIVs die with the virus, not from it, tho, of course, other things can get 
them as well. 

MC

  On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Does anyone have any direct experience with FIV that they can pass on to 
me?  I know the gist of course, since I foster cats and have "met" and lost the 
battle to- both Felv and FIP in the past year (ugh).  I have heard that cats 
with FIV can be fairly successful- live heathly lives barely affected by the 
disease (is this true?), and it really is a lot like human HIV?  I have also 
heard this is the one retroviruses that is transmitted by deep bite wounds and 
NOT casual contact?
 
I am going to help a man who has taken in a alley cat that hung around his 
house for about 3 years that tested positive of FIV.  He was clearly neutered 
by alley cat advocates b/c he has a tipped ear.  He says it's a wonderful, 
approx. 5 yo tuxie.  He has him in the bedroom for now (his only room with a 
door in his house) because his own cat is an extremely aggressive, neutered 
male and after 3 years of the tuxie hanging around outside, and being in the 
house for a while now- they can't sort out their differences and they will 
fight.  He wishes he could keep the cat but with his cat- being such an 
aggressive fighter, and the tuxie being a fighter when need be (alley cat 
mentality)-- he just doesn't see it as possible due to transmission to his cat. 
 
 
The cat did get outside and got in a fight recently- ended up with an abcess on 
his ear- being treated by a vet, stint put in and he has a f-u next week- but 
it was at that appointment that the vet found the FIV and said "segregate!"- as 
they always do.
 
I am going to work to get the cat into our adoption program as a "special 
needs" cat in the hopes that someone w/o other cats, with a non-aggressive cat, 
with a docile female, with other FIV cats, etc., would be willing to take him 
on.  In the meantime, this man has agreed to continue to "foster" him in his 
home while I work to help him out with the situation.   
 
In the meantime, I want to build up my knowledge so that I have "talking 
points" for potential adoptive parents and I can educate if someone w/o prior 
FIV experience is willing to take him.  The man seems to understand that he 
could have a cat on his hands with something a lot worse (like Felv or FIP), so 
he's definitely not an overreactor and he seems well-educated.  
 
Any info that anyone has will be great!  Especially PERSONAL EXPERIENCE and/or 
accurate and trustworthy websites I can read and pass on to others!
 
thanks,
Carolin

Re: FIV

[Kelley Saveika]

My apologies, I recommended the wrong group.  FIVCats2 is the right one.



On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 9:41 PM, Sherry DeHaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> MaryChristine,I agree with you that the fiv+ boys are the best.My 3 fiv
> boys are the sweetest babies and my fiv girl is a sweetie too.I will
> probably ALWAYS only adopt fiv cats from now on.We have around 70 fiv cats
> at Sids and I would say that 95% are very sweet.Of course as with any cats
> you can get grumpy ones too.
> Sherry
>
>
> *MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:
>
> well, let's see--susan hoffman and i the co-moderators of the oldest FIV
> group on yahoo; which is FIVCats2, for reasons that are way too complicated
> to go into.
>
> i am currently owned by two of the little beasts, and have been living
> with them since 2002 when i moved into a FeLV/FIV sanctuary.
>
> does that count as direct experience?
>
> FIV has NOTHING WHATSOEVER in common with HIV: FeLV is much closer in
> terms of how it's transmitted, it's course, and everything else.
>
> the first investigators to isolate it did so in 1987, at the height of the
> HIV/AIDS panic, and gave it a name that has killed far more cats than the
> virus ever will. the only people who liken it at all to HIV/AIDS anymore are
> the original researchers, who seem to have an investment in doing so,
> despite years of research showing them to be in error. these folks use
> HIV/AIDS terminology, which is pretty absurd, since H = human, after all.
>
> the snap test is wrong 40% of the time, even in non-vaccinated cats; the
> vaccine has not been proved effective in independent tests (another fine
> product of Ft Dodge), and WILL cause any cat to test positive for life, even
> on the confirmatory test, which is the western blot.
>
> FIV cats, most of whom are male, mostly turn into, well, pussycats once
> neutered--and couldn't bother biting anyone hard enough to transmit the
> virus; when we get timid housecats in who actually DO test positive on the
> western blot, one of our vets says that the cat was probably bitten on the
> butt trying to run away.
>
> should a cat remain aggressive post-altering, filing down or removing the
> canines prevents them from biting deeply enough.
>
> FIVs are more prone to herpes infections and stomatitis than non-FIVs, it
> seems, but basically they are VERY VERY healthy: sanctuary anecdotal info
> (which, like with FeLV, is all there was for a long time) shows that FIVs
> are healthier than any other population. yes, they get sick, but they
> respond to treatment as well as any other cat.
>
> most FIVs die with the virus, not from it, tho, of course, other things
> can get them as well.
>
> MC
>
> On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Caroline Kaufmann <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Does anyone have any direct experience with FIV that they can pass on to
> > me?  I know the gist of course, since I foster cats and have "met" *and
> > lost the battle to*- both Felv and FIP in the past year (ugh).  I have
> > heard that cats with FIV can be fairly successful- live heathly lives barely
> > affected by the disease (is this true?), and it really is a lot like human
> > HIV?  I have also heard this is the one retroviruses that is transmitted by
> > deep bite wounds and NOT casual contact?
> >
> > I am going to help a man who has taken in a alley cat that hung around
> > his house for about 3 years that tested positive of FIV.  He was clearly
> > neutered by alley cat advocates b/c he has a tipped ear.  He says it's a
> > wonderful, approx. 5 yo tuxie.  He has him in the bedroom for now (his only
> > room with a door in his house) because his own cat is an extremely
> > aggressive, neutered male and after 3 years of the tuxie hanging around
> > outside, and being in the house for a while now- they can't sort out their
> > differences and they will fight.  He wishes he could keep the cat but with
> > his cat- being such an aggressive fighter, and the tuxie being a fighter
> > when need be (alley cat mentality)-- he just doesn't see it as possible due
> > to transmission to his cat.
> >
> > The cat did get outside and got in a fight recently- ended up with an
> > abcess on his ear- being treated by a vet, stint put in and he has a f-u
> > next week- but it was at that appointment that the vet found the FIV and
> > said "segregate!"- as they always do.
> >
> > I am going to work to get the cat into our adoption program as a
> > "special needs" cat in the hopes that someone w/o other cats, with a
> > non-aggressive cat, with a docile female, with other FIV cats, etc., would
> > be willing to take him on.  In the meantime, this man has agreed to continue
> > to "foster" him in his home while I work to help him out with the
> > situation.
> >
> > In the meantime, I want to build up my knowledge so that I have "talking
> > points" for potential adoptive parents and I can educate if someone w/o
> > prior FIV experience is willing to take him.  The man seems to understand

Re: more questions and thankyou

[Karen Griffith]

El,

I'm now home, and received your message.  I have been trying to call you, but 
keep getting a busy signal.  Thought you might be online.

Will continue to try to reach you.  If you get this message, give me a call at 
740-992-5782.

Speak with you soon.

Karen

Re: FeLV Vaccination

[catatonya]

I would vaccinate my negatives, wait the 2-3 weeks necessary and booster them, 
wait 2-3 weeks more and let them mix.  All this IF the other cats are over a 
year old.  That has always been my protocol and I've never had a negative cat 
'catch' the leukemia from my positive.
  tonya

Sue & Frank Koren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Several people here have said that they have their FeLV + kitties 
living in with FeLV -  cats, and the negative cats are not getting infected.  I 
am trying to decide if I should vaccinate my others and let Buzz out of his 
room.  My vet is against it and says the vaccinations are only 60 - 80% 
effective.  The vet does not seem to be up on all that is going on with FeLV, 
though, and I am considering switching vets.  Buzz really doesn't,t mind his 
room, but he is a social boy and cries when he doesn't want to be alone.  I 
visit him as often as I can and spend at least an hour or so in the evenings in 
with him, but such minor details as a full time job and the rest of my human 
and cat family keep me away from being with him as much as he and I would like. 
 It seems as if vaccinating the others and freeing Buzz from his prison room is 
the best solution, but not if any of the others end up being infected.  Their 
ages range from 2 to 8 years.  Two of them, Charlie and
 Tucker have other health problems and I don't know if that would put them more 
at risk.  Anyway, has anyone ever heard of a vaccinated cat being infected?